[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
They still put mercury in glass envelopes, there are several hundred here where I work. In the light fittings, 2 types high pressure and low pressure mercury. and HID and metal halide. Mercury is also present in reasonable quantity in fluorescent tubes, of which there are millions all around us. On 9 Feb, 07:42, Quixotic Nixotic nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk wrote: On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
Hi, personally I think that the IN-18 Blue Dream and the Sven Nixie clocks cannot be compared, for several reasons: First, you already mentioned the IN-18 tubes, they are much more costy. But this also poses a technological problem: While it is rather easy to supply 12mA = 6 * 2mA for IN-14 tubes, IN-18 tubes are much more power hungry. You cannot buy those SMPSs on Ebay (if you want your tube clock to be quiet, that is). Secondly, I think a stainless steel housing is much more expensive in the making than laser-cut acrylic. Read the description, the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. Also, Dieter's clock is battery buffered (we are talking about 10 years here) and I did not see if Sven also is. For me, this will always be the key argument for or against a clock. I do not like reprogramming a clock every morning at the office when I turned it off the other evening. I am not a clock-expert, I merely collect tubes, so I cannot really put a price on clocks since I do not purchase them :-) All I can say is that these two clocks are very different in their appearance and aim at quite different buyers. Best regards, Jens I wonder where exactly the price of this clock comes from. You can buy the Sven clock including GPS receiver for 200 euro. http://nixiekits.eu/Sven.htm The tubes will be a bit more expensive, but it still doesn't add up. Michel On Feb 9, 10:22 am, micha...@aol.com wrote: DL1 is an awesome clock. I still have mine on order (Hint: Lawrence!) Michail In a message dated 2/8/2012 2:56:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, markpeters...@btinternet.com writes: How does it stack up against the fantastic DL1 ? _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhP6paGFFc_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhP6paGFFc) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
During my Nixie tube project mercury will be a good solution for prolonging the tubes' lives. When I merely mentioned the possibility while talking to our facility manager, he wouldn't want to listen to me anymore, and I had to assure that I would not tinker with mercury in their rooms... The background is that a couple of years ago someone spilled a whole lot of mercury out of carelessness, and it was very expensive to get it all cleaned. OK, I only need less than a drop per tube, so I really do not see the harm, but what can you do... Jens They still put mercury in glass envelopes, there are several hundred here where I work. In the light fittings, 2 types high pressure and low pressure mercury. and HID and metal halide. Mercury is also present in reasonable quantity in fluorescent tubes, of which there are millions all around us. On 9 Feb, 07:42, Quixotic Nixoticnixci...@jsdesign.co.uk wrote: On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Personally I think that the whole mercury craziness is plain stupid. But well, people were made to believe that some plants are evil. What if you tried to do it as The Ancient Nixie Makers would do: Use a tiny mercury giver tube. Maybe it would be possible to find them in the 'former USSR'? Or order them from a company dealing with mercury? Then you have mercury, but it is safely packed (much safer than in a CFL bulb!). On 9 Feb, 10:48, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: The background is that a couple of years ago someone spilled a whole lot of mercury out of carelessness, and it was very expensive to get it all cleaned. OK, I only need less than a drop per tube, so I really do not see the harm, but what can you do... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's getter. Then you crack those tubes open in some other location. And you are not exposing anybody to the deadliest of the metals. The only thing offended is the law. :D Marcin On 9 Feb, 11:37, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: a good idea, but the problem is the dimensions. Legally, everything smaller than 2mm (in any direction) counts as an open device. Since these small Hg givers are very small, they are considered as open devices, and thus I am not allowed to use them. It is very frustrating... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Sure, 1m^3 would be fine ;-) Don't worry, in that case other rules will kick in... Jens You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's getter. Then you crack those tubes open in some other location. And you are not exposing anybody to the deadliest of the metals. The only thing offended is the law. :D Marcin On 9 Feb, 11:37, jb-electronicswebmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: a good idea, but the problem is the dimensions. Legally, everything smaller than 2mm (in any direction) counts as an open device. Since these small Hg givers are very small, they are considered as open devices, and thus I am not allowed to use them. It is very frustrating... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part (transformer) should be included in the basic kit? Agreeing that Cobra007 is not comparing like for like the sven board is still only 119 Euro WITH tubes or we could look at Konstantins IN-18 board WITH tubes for 300 Euro. I suppose Dieter has priced it to recoup his development costs although the case is overpriced imho and I would not buy it, and as for the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. I think you/we are getting carried away with the advertising spin after all there is only so many finishes you can achieve and I'm sure this has been done before somewhere. I don't mind being contradicted on the finish but I would like to know what this exclusive finish is then Nice clock, shame about the price, shame about the confusing multisite ordering, it's impossible to even make up a barebones kit without multiple ordering, something to consider. On 9 Feb, 09:43, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: Hi, personally I think that the IN-18 Blue Dream and the Sven Nixie clocks cannot be compared, for several reasons: First, you already mentioned the IN-18 tubes, they are much more costy. But this also poses a technological problem: While it is rather easy to supply 12mA = 6 * 2mA for IN-14 tubes, IN-18 tubes are much more power hungry. You cannot buy those SMPSs on Ebay (if you want your tube clock to be quiet, that is). Secondly, I think a stainless steel housing is much more expensive in the making than laser-cut acrylic. Read the description, the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. Also, Dieter's clock is battery buffered (we are talking about 10 years here) and I did not see if Sven also is. For me, this will always be the key argument for or against a clock. I do not like reprogramming a clock every morning at the office when I turned it off the other evening. I am not a clock-expert, I merely collect tubes, so I cannot really put a price on clocks since I do not purchase them :-) All I can say is that these two clocks are very different in their appearance and aim at quite different buyers. Best regards, Jens I wonder where exactly the price of this clock comes from. You can buy the Sven clock including GPS receiver for 200 euro. http://nixiekits.eu/Sven.htm The tubes will be a bit more expensive, but it still doesn't add up. Michel On Feb 9, 10:22 am, micha...@aol.com wrote: DL1 is an awesome clock. I still have mine on order (Hint: Lawrence!) Michail In a message dated 2/8/2012 2:56:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, markpeters...@btinternet.com writes: How does it stack up against the fantastic DL1 ? _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhP6paGFFc_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhP6paGFFc) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I showed them that trick lol, our class was banned from having access to/use any mercury but had a friendly lab assistant (I'm sure he was a prefect) who sold us a small jar of it. Them were the days haha. Dave. On 9 Feb, 11:18, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: Sure, 1m^3 would be fine ;-) Don't worry, in that case other rules will kick in... Jens You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's getter. Then you crack those tubes open in some other location. And you are not exposing anybody to the deadliest of the metals. The only thing offended is the law. :D Marcin On 9 Feb, 11:37, jb-electronicswebmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: a good idea, but the problem is the dimensions. Legally, everything smaller than 2mm (in any direction) counts as an open device. Since these small Hg givers are very small, they are considered as open devices, and thus I am not allowed to use them. It is very frustrating... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
On Feb 9, 1:05 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I showed them that trick lol, our class was banned from having access to/use any mercury but had a friendly lab assistant (I'm sure he was a prefect) who sold us a small jar of it. Them were the days haha. Dave. A while ago I went back to my school on an open day - all the LAB floors had been sealed with some sort of latex which went about 10cm up the walls - this was because Hg had become absorbed into the floorboards an Hg vapour was detectable in the classrooms, so all the floors had to be sealed. They took away all the fun stuff - most of the conc acids, benzine, Hg, the bottles of Na K (under oil). No fun anymore. I used to put pennies on the railway lines 'cos then the trains used to flatten them in a wedge shape as they flew out the side stuck in the fence - they were like razors... Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of hand. Mercury salts are the ones to truly be worried about, and alkyl mercurys can kill you very quickly, but mercury vapour inhalation takes some time to manifest symptoms I believeI still remember one kid in my class who thought it was funny to swallow a small drop of mercuryprobably just passed right through him (I didn't ask at the time..;-) We used benzene at school, made aspirin on the bench, threw lumps of sodium in water (with one classroom evacuation as a result...got a bit frisky that one...)I imagine *none* of that would be allowed these days Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: On Feb 9, 1:05 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I showed them that trick lol, our class was banned from having access to/use any mercury but had a friendly lab assistant (I'm sure he was a prefect) who sold us a small jar of it. Them were the days haha. Dave. A while ago I went back to my school on an open day - all the LAB floors had been sealed with some sort of latex which went about 10cm up the walls - this was because Hg had become absorbed into the floorboards an Hg vapour was detectable in the classrooms, so all the floors had to be sealed. They took away all the fun stuff - most of the conc acids, benzine, Hg, the bottles of Na K (under oil). No fun anymore. I used to put pennies on the railway lines 'cos then the trains used to flatten them in a wedge shape as they flew out the side stuck in the fence - they were like razors... Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
On Feb 9, 4:02 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of hand. Mercury salts are the ones to truly be worried about, and alkyl mercurys can kill you very quickly, but mercury vapour inhalation takes some time to manifest symptoms I believeI still remember one kid in my class who thought it was funny to swallow a small drop of mercuryprobably just passed right through him (I didn't ask at the time..;-) In Victorian times, a pint of liquid mercury used to be drunk as a cure for constipation (it was collected afterwards for reuse - a sort of family heirloom). Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
That's what I was thinking, it was my understanding that elemental mercury is not all _that_ readily absorbable by the body. The kind that you need to worry about is the sort that has already been absorbed by a body (like a fish) and so is in a form that your body will happily accept.. and also, as one other poster mentioned, these new CFL bulbs that everyone is pushing have plenty of mercury in them.. In the US, most people seem to just toss them in the trash (headed for the landfill). I know that in Butte, Montana they used to mine copper in an open pit mine using astonishing amounts of mercury. Their water table is permanently poisoned... (But I don't think that stops them from using it!) -Adam On 2/9/2012 8:19 AM, Nick wrote: On Feb 9, 4:02 pm, Nicholas Stocknickst...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of hand. Mercury salts are the ones to truly be worried about, and alkyl mercurys can kill you very quickly, but mercury vapour inhalation takes some time to manifest symptoms I believeI still remember one kid in my class who thought it was funny to swallow a small drop of mercuryprobably just passed right through him (I didn't ask at the time..;-) In Victorian times, a pint of liquid mercury used to be drunk as a cure for constipation (it was collected afterwards for reuse - a sort of family heirloom). Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
OK, you are right, it's a matter of taste. Dieter I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: Hi, yes that's right. Note the protopype cases cost about 1000 EUR, the other parts, equipment, programming, tools, about 4500 EUR. I know that a acrylic case is fast, cheap and very easy to do. But I reall NEVER would pack a IN-18 clock in a plastic case. Dieter - Original Message - From: Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!! I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part (transformer) should be included in the basic kit? Agreeing that Cobra007 is not comparing like for like the sven board is still only 119 Euro WITH tubes or we could look at Konstantins IN-18 board WITH tubes for 300 Euro. I suppose Dieter has priced it to recoup his development costs although the case is overpriced imho and I would not buy it, and as for the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. I think you/we are getting carried away with the advertising spin after all there is only so many finishes you can achieve and I'm sure this has been done before somewhere. I don't mind being contradicted on the finish but I would like to know what this exclusive finish is then Nice clock, shame about the price, shame about the confusing multisite ordering, it's impossible to even make up a barebones kit without multiple ordering, something to consider. On 9 Feb, 09:43, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GBhttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB . Uggh! Sorry Nick, no disrespect intended. That closed plastic coffin thing has been done to death. I'd even produced something similar nine years ago with the GPSII in all acrylic. And while I'm on the rant; the techs who re-purpose those plastic baseball boxes and little heirloom domes for a nixie clock cover are in need of serious help ;) Although I concurr that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously moves a lot of these. And the audiophools love a shiney blinkin' nixie display above their shrine to thermionic emission, that requires cotton gloves to fondle. Regards, Jeff The folks who repurpose baseball and heirloom domes for their clocks fall into a separate category of their own ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: Hi, yes that's right. Note the protopype cases cost about 1000 EUR, the other parts, equipment, programming, tools, about 4500 EUR. I know that a acrylic case is fast, cheap and very easy to do. But I reall NEVER would pack a IN-18 clock in a plastic case. Dieter - Original Message - From: Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!! I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part (transformer) should be included in the basic kit? Agreeing that Cobra007 is not comparing like for like the sven board is still only 119 Euro WITH tubes or we could look at Konstantins IN-18 board WITH tubes for 300 Euro. I suppose Dieter has priced it to recoup his development costs although the case is overpriced imho and I would not buy it, and as for the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. I think you/we are getting carried away with the advertising spin after all there is only so many finishes you can achieve and I'm sure this has been done before somewhere. I don't mind being contradicted on the finish but I would like to know what this exclusive finish is then Nice clock, shame about the price, shame about the confusing multisite ordering, it's impossible to even make up a barebones kit without multiple ordering, something to consider. On 9 Feb, 09:43, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GBhttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB . Uggh! Sorry Nick, no disrespect intended. That closed plastic coffin thing has been done to death. I'd even produced something similar nine years ago with the GPSII in all acrylic. And while I'm on the rant; the techs who re-purpose those plastic baseball boxes and little heirloom domes for a nixie clock cover are in need of serious help ;) Although I concur that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously moves a lot of these. And the audiophools love a shiney blinkin' nixie display above their shrine to thermionic emission, that requires cotton gloves to fondle. Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
Well, it is all a matter of taste...the pictures don't do it justice as the base is milled from a 1/2 inch block and the case rests over the base with nice cut outs on the back for the buttons and leads etc...but hey, it's not to everyone's tastes... ;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: Hi, yes that's right. Note the protopype cases cost about 1000 EUR, the other parts, equipment, programming, tools, about 4500 EUR. I know that a acrylic case is fast, cheap and very easy to do. But I reall NEVER would pack a IN-18 clock in a plastic case. Dieter - Original Message - From: Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!! I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part (transformer) should be included in the basic kit? Agreeing that Cobra007 is not comparing like for like the sven board is still only 119 Euro WITH tubes or we could look at Konstantins IN-18 board WITH tubes for 300 Euro. I suppose Dieter has priced it to recoup his development costs although the case is overpriced imho and I would not buy it, and as for the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. I think you/we are getting carried away with the advertising spin after all there is only so many finishes you can achieve and I'm sure this has been done before somewhere. I don't mind being contradicted on the finish but I would like to know what this exclusive finish is then Nice clock, shame about the price, shame about the confusing multisite ordering, it's impossible to even make up a barebones kit without multiple ordering, something to consider. On 9 Feb, 09:43, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscribe@ ** googlegroups.com neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB . Uggh! Sorry Nick, no disrespect intended. That closed plastic coffin thing has been done to death. I'd even produced something similar nine years ago with the GPSII in all acrylic. And while I'm on the rant; the techs who re-purpose those plastic baseball boxes and little heirloom domes for a nixie clock cover are in need of serious help ;) Although I concurr that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously moves a lot of these. And the audiophools love a shiney blinkin' nixie display above their shrine to thermionic emission, that requires cotton gloves to fondle. Regards, Jeff The folks who repurpose baseball and heirloom domes for their clocks fall into a separate category of their own ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic cases for IN-18 clocks.. http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath... It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-) Nick On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: Hi, yes that's right. Note the protopype cases cost about 1000 EUR, the other parts, equipment, programming, tools, about 4500 EUR. I know that a acrylic case is fast, cheap and very easy to do. But I reall NEVER would pack a IN-18 clock in a plastic case. Dieter - Original Message - From: Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!! I think it's a great clock stuffed full of features and would really like one but I too think it is on the expensive side. 179 Euro (inc tax I'm in the UK) just for the board kit + you have to buy the needed transformer @24 Euro + the colons @19 Euro separately! Surely a critical part (transformer) should be included in the basic kit? Agreeing that Cobra007 is not comparing like for like the sven board is still only 119 Euro WITH tubes or we could look at Konstantins IN-18 board WITH tubes for 300 Euro. I suppose Dieter has priced it to recoup his development costs although the case is overpriced imho and I would not buy it, and as for the surface finish was developed exclusively for those clocks - I can only imagine that this took quite some time to work out. I think you/we are getting carried away with the advertising spin after all there is only so many finishes you can achieve and I'm sure this has been done before somewhere. I don't mind being contradicted on the finish but I would like to know what this exclusive finish is then Nice clock, shame about the price, shame about the confusing multisite ordering, it's impossible to even make up a barebones kit without multiple ordering, something to consider. On 9 Feb, 09:43, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscribe@ ** googlegroups.com neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB . Uggh! Sorry Nick, no disrespect intended. That closed plastic coffin thing has been done to death. I'd even produced something similar nine years ago with the GPSII in all acrylic. And while I'm on the rant; the techs who re-purpose those plastic baseball boxes and little heirloom domes for a nixie clock cover are in need of serious help ;) Although I concurr that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously moves a lot of these. And the audiophools love a shiney blinkin' nixie display above their shrine to thermionic emission, that requires cotton gloves to fondle. Regards, Jeff The folks who repurpose baseball and heirloom domes for their clocks fall into a separate category of their own ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
Thanks for your words, Jeff. All of us in out little Nixie family inspire each other. Dieter Although I concurr that Dieters work is pricey amongst the herd, he's shown the best packaging ingenuity of the lot. Spanning the market evolution since '04. In spite of that high cost, he obviously moves a lot of these. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
On Feb 9, 12:10 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-) Dang, you caught me... We recently replaced the Symphonic brand AM/FM receiver, clad in the finest Asian hardwood, with simulated woodgrain vinyl veneer. :)) Seriously though, it's hard to have anything too nice that'll survive daily use by a bunch of small kids. Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Yeah, same here. I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? I think people are freaking out about nothing. Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
That explains a lot about you Chuck. JK. I remember when I was a kid (much like now), I used to work at Radio Shack. I remember the mercury filled switches being sold. Strangely, the same as the switches in your old house thermostat. I thought they were very cool because you also saw them in movies where people would build bombs and you couldn't move them because they had Hg switches as well. Now, we are stuck with reed switches and such. Not as fun to watch. The lawsuit? Well, A 21 year old with all those problems 6 years ago. Hard to blaime it on tubes. I am sure it has nothing to do with the 2 packs a day for over 5 years (started at 16 years? Damn). Probably caused from eating paint chips. This is as bad as the idiot suing mcdonalds for being burned. Who knew that coffee was hot? Who knew that fast food was fatening or that cigarettes (inhaling smoke) was bad for you. If this guy wins, just imagine how many roaches will come out that work in mines (metals). Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 12:06:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chuc...@all2easy.net writes: Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
There is no way he'll get anywhere with this in court. I think that his legal representation is counting on the small time electronics dealers to settle out of court to avoid the legal costs. It's sad, the threat of suing someone in this country is almost like extortion to most people. -Adam On 2/9/2012 12:29 PM, micha...@aol.com wrote: That explains a lot about you Chuck. JK. I remember when I was a kid (much like now), I used to work at Radio Shack. I remember the mercury filled switches being sold. Strangely, the same as the switches in your old house thermostat. I thought they were very cool because you also saw them in movies where people would build bombs and you couldn't move them because they had Hg switches as well. Now, we are stuck with reed switches and such. Not as fun to watch. The lawsuit? Well, A 21 year old with all those problems 6 years ago. Hard to blaime it on tubes. I am sure it has nothing to do with the 2 packs a day for over 5 years (started at 16 years? Damn). Probably caused from eating paint chips. This is as bad as the idiot suing mcdonalds for being burned. Who knew that coffee was hot? Who knew that fast food was fatening or that cigarettes (inhaling smoke) was bad for you. If this guy wins, just imagine how many roaches will come out that work in mines (metals). Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 12:06:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chuc...@all2easy.net writes: Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Just curious, does someone know how mercury is mined? I still have a number of mercury switches, they used to be common on washing machine doors, car hoods, heating thermostats and car trunk lids and a number of other common places. The stuff never affected me either. So, what were we talking about again?? J Bill From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of micha...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:29 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... That explains a lot about you Chuck. JK. I remember when I was a kid (much like now), I used to work at Radio Shack. I remember the mercury filled switches being sold. Strangely, the same as the switches in your old house thermostat. I thought they were very cool because you also saw them in movies where people would build bombs and you couldn't move them because they had Hg switches as well. Now, we are stuck with reed switches and such. Not as fun to watch. The lawsuit? Well, A 21 year old with all those problems 6 years ago. Hard to blaime it on tubes. I am sure it has nothing to do with the 2 packs a day for over 5 years (started at 16 years? Damn). Probably caused from eating paint chips. This is as bad as the idiot suing mcdonalds for being burned. Who knew that coffee was hot? Who knew that fast food was fatening or that cigarettes (inhaling smoke) was bad for you. If this guy wins, just imagine how many roaches will come out that work in mines (metals). Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 12:06:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chuc...@all2easy.net writes: Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4799 - Release Date: 02/09/12 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06 am, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? I think people are freaking out about nothing. Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netfor more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
It has become apparent to me that you can not judge someone else's design on your own taste. I think the features of the clock are superior and there is probably nothing wrong with the electronic design either. Just a thought, why didn't you incorporate an ambient light sensor to automatically dim the tubes or even turn them off in (almost) complete darkness? The stainless case, IMO is not that great, the finish is nice but the shape is not doing it for me. Having said that, it does look better than the acrylic one that Nick showed us. The costs you mention sound a bit steep to me unless you included the hours it took you guys to develop it. If this is your way of making a living, that is totally fair, if it is a hobby project, I wouldn't include the developing hours into the cost price. Anyway, it's still a nice clock to look at. Michel On Feb 10, 6:25 am, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 9, 12:10 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-) Dang, you caught me... We recently replaced the Symphonic brand AM/FM receiver, clad in the finest Asian hardwood, with simulated woodgrain vinyl veneer. :)) Seriously though, it's hard to have anything too nice that'll survive daily use by a bunch of small kids. Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie spots:)
Whoah, i just found this by searching for the ZM1041S on google and found this! Its so awesome especialy the PWL On Dec 14 2011, 12:25 am, Aleksander Zawada onet aleksander_zaw...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: Hi everybody, After long break, I can show you two nixies from PWL laboratory- mp4 files. PWL spot: http://tubedevices.com/alek/pwl/reklama_pwl/pwl_nixie_spot.mp4 Political nixie tube about Poland 2011: http://tubedevices.com/alek/pwl/polityczna/political_nixie_2011_polan... Best regards Aleksander Zawada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06 am, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? I think people are freaking out about nothing. Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netfor more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Well, that is a good question, I just assumed it would have been a professional medical examiner, but yeah, maybe it was his drunk grandmother, who knows? Michel On Feb 10, 9:46 am, Dan Hollis parkxz9aw...@anime.net wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06�am, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. � I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? � I think people are freaking out about nothing. � Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. �So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netformore details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Exactly. I would assume that would be a cornerstone of the case, so you'd want to make sure that the diagnosis was infallible. I haven't read through all of the petition to see if there is any mention of this fact but I assume that it is pretty devoid of evidence. -Adam On 2/9/2012 2:53 PM, Cobra007 wrote: Well, that is a good question, I just assumed it would have been a professional medical examiner, but yeah, maybe it was his drunk grandmother, who knows? Michel On Feb 10, 9:46 am, Dan Hollisparkxz9aw...@anime.net wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06�am, chuck richardschuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. � I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? � I think people are freaking out about nothing. � Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. �So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netformore details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
There are a lot of quacks out there who will give you a diagnosis of anything. So the question is if the mercury poisoning diagnosis was from a reliable source or not. -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Adam Jacobs wrote: Exactly. I would assume that would be a cornerstone of the case, so you'd want to make sure that the diagnosis was infallible. I haven't read through all of the petition to see if there is any mention of this fact but I assume that it is pretty devoid of evidence. -Adam On 2/9/2012 2:53 PM, Cobra007 wrote: Well, that is a good question, I just assumed it would have been a professional medical examiner, but yeah, maybe it was his drunk grandmother, who knows? Michel On Feb 10, 9:46 am, Dan Hollisparkxz9aw...@anime.net wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06�am, chuck richardschuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. � I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? � I think people are freaking out about nothing. � Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. �So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netformore details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Too much canned tuna fish!!Ira On 2/9/2012 2:46 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06 am, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? I think people are freaking out about nothing. Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netfor more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
On 12-02-09 11:02 AM, Nicholas Stock wrote: We used benzene at school, made aspirin on the bench, threw lumps of sodium in water (with one classroom evacuation as a result...got a bit frisky that one...)I imagine /none/ of that would be allowed these days Grade 9, about 1968, the chemistry techer had everyone in the class stick their finger in the jar of (very dirty) mercury. Grade 12 the same teacher told us he was not allowed to open (The same) jar but we should look at it closely through the glass. -- Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario cm...@zeusprune.ca Just Beyond the Fringe http://users.trytel.com/~cmacd/tubes.html No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
You would think that his attorney would have picked someone to make the diagnosis, whose credentials are impeccable, lest the defense attorneys will chew him and hid diagnosis up and spit him out in teeny, tiny, little pieces. Ira On 2/9/2012 2:53 PM, Cobra007 wrote: Well, that is a good question, I just assumed it would have been a professional medical examiner, but yeah, maybe it was his drunk grandmother, who knows? Michel On Feb 10, 9:46 am, Dan Hollisparkxz9aw...@anime.net wrote: diagnosed by who? -Dan On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Cobra007 wrote: The thing that cannot be denied is that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning (see 37), so the question remains where did that come from? If it wasn't from the tubes, what was it then? Michel On Feb 10, 7:06�am, chuck richardschuc...@all2easy.net wrote: Yeah, same here. � I too used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Oh sure, yes, it would be harmful if you poured it out into a big pan and heated it on the stove and stuck your head in the pan to inhale the vapor. But, just normal everyday handling? � I think people are freaking out about nothing. � Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK, in the days of pounds shillings and pence, LSD, a ha'penny was very much the same size as a shilling. �So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling - 24 times the value. Smearing the mercury on the coin with a finger, of course. I think that's what they call liquid assets. John S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! Seehttp://www.All2Easy.netformore details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Town http://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics
Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that it would NOT be magnetic. Amazing how a penny and quarter will stand on end. (pic 904) Both float on the surface. If you push them to the bottom, they will stay. I should probably clean it up (lots of foreign material floating on the surface). Funny watching a magnet drag black sand through it. Strange stuff. Quite heavy as well. Sorry, no scale. _http://michail.com/mercury/_ (http://michail.com/mercury/) Michail 206-920-6312 In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:58:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mic...@xiac.com writes: Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Town http://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics
Cool stuff! A video would have been better ;-) I actually never thought that it would be magnetic, don't really know why but apparently it was correct :-). Michel On Feb 10, 1:31 pm, micha...@aol.com wrote: Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that it would NOT be magnetic. Amazing how a penny and quarter will stand on end. (pic 904) Both float on the surface. If you push them to the bottom, they will stay. I should probably clean it up (lots of foreign material floating on the surface). Funny watching a magnet drag black sand through it. Strange stuff. Quite heavy as well. Sorry, no scale. _http://michail.com/mercury/_(http://michail.com/mercury/) Michail206-920-6312begin_of_the_skype_highlighting206-920-6312 In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:58:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mic...@xiac.com writes: Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Townhttp://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit...
Visited a place just like that but in Victoria in the 70's, remember we went panning for opals, I found one and has a ring made from it and gave it to a girlfriend. Good ol days lol.(Back over in march for 6 weeks, Perth and Brisbane) Back on topic I wonder if any of those workers suffered ill health from working with mercury? On 10 Feb, 01:58, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Townhttp://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics
Now that is interesting! And yeah, a video would be nice :) Where did you get that mercury? On Feb 10, 3:44 am, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Cool stuff! A video would have been better ;-) I actually never thought that it would be magnetic, don't really know why but apparently it was correct :-). Michel On Feb 10, 1:31 pm, micha...@aol.com wrote: Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that it would NOT be magnetic. Amazing how a penny and quarter will stand on end. (pic 904) Both float on the surface. If you push them to the bottom, they will stay. I should probably clean it up (lots of foreign material floating on the surface). Funny watching a magnet drag black sand through it. Strange stuff. Quite heavy as well. Sorry, no scale. _http://michail.com/mercury/_(http://michail.com/mercury/) Michail206-920-6312begin_of_the_skype_highlighting206-920-6312 In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:58:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mic...@xiac.com writes: Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Townhttp://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics
I was gonna take some video, but seems like a LOT of people already have done that on youtube. Any suggestions? Umm, I heard it was used in mining (gold), so I went to a jeweler and asked if he had any. He asked how much? I said a small jar. He sold me that jar for $20. I was surprized by the weight when he handed it to me. Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:07:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: Now that is interesting! And yeah, a video would be nice :) Where did you get that mercury? On Feb 10, 3:44 am, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Cool stuff! A video would have been better ;-) I actually never thought that it would be magnetic, don't really know why but apparently it was correct :-). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
I just came across this one Jens, you might be interested in it. A very tiny and cheap 180V power supply delivering 64mA. You could drive 10 of these IN-18 tubes. Those are rock solid supplies, too. Our own jt makes them. As far as I'm concerned, they're unbeatable for the size and price. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Burned K155ID1 chips?
Hey all Got a bit of a problem over here. Since I've got my atmegas, I've started repairing my breadboarded circuit. Protected my fresh chip, checked for any possible shorts, and fired the damned thing. The results were odd. Some of the nixies lit up showing number 7, instead of the real time. I suspected something's wrong with the K155ID1, so I took it out and breadboarded it separately to test it out. Not to mention the enigma of all the nixies lit up, when only one was supposed to.. The results weren't as expected. Giving it the certain inputs, outputs were not right. I didn't test any further. I figured I should try 5 other chips, of which in the end, only two were working properly. Suddenly, one stopped working right. Stupidly, I tried the other working one, which then worked for some time, but after a few switchings on and off, it was the last one to act faulty. Then it hit me. I noticed I forgot the limiting resistor on the Vcc! Then I tested again with the limiting resistor of 300 ohm on 5.15V, giving proper 17ma. These were the results; input 0001 gives 5 instead of 1, and 0011 output 7 instead of 3, etc. So what can I do now? Is it possible to fry a demux in such way, or is there still hope for these babies? I'll never forgive myself for doing such a dumb thing.. Thanks for your help Imbanon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics
Theo Gray dug up a copy of that wonderful old National Geographic picture of a man sitting ON a pool of mercury. Scroll down a fair bit to see it: http://periodictable.com/Elements/080/index.html - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics
As far as cleaning your mercury, I vaguely recall something about straining/filtering it through a piece of material like thin cowhide, or chamois. Verify that I'm correct before trying it. Ira. On 2/9/2012 6:31 PM, micha...@aol.com wrote: Some pictures of the little mercury I have. For some reason, I never thought that it would NOT be magnetic. Amazing how a penny and quarter will stand on end. (pic 904) Both float on the surface. If you push them to the bottom, they will stay. I should probably clean it up (lots of foreign material floating on the surface). Funny watching a magnet drag black sand through it. Strange stuff. Quite heavy as well. Sorry, no scale. http://michail.com/mercury/ Michail 206-920-6312 In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:58:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mic...@xiac.com writes: Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Town http://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good for you in those quantities but the people who worked the closest to the mercury had very high pays and would only do so for about 6 months. Michel On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: On my of my visits to Western Australia I went to a place called 'Paynes Find' owned by a then 62 year old woman. There she operates 'paynes find gold battery' the only battery in WA. Starting from her grandfather she owns and operates a 100 year old machine that crushes gold ore by battering them with huge logs acting as hammers connected to a belt driven wooden cam. The crushed ore slurry is then poured over a large mercury-wetted copper plate sluice gold particles bond with the mercury and become an amalgam. The mercury is constantly scrapped off/renewed from the copper plate and then BOILED off to extract the fine gold particles and the mercury condensed and reused. The only heath and safety equipment being a pair of gloves to handle the hot containers! No sealed containers, no 'safe room' all just done in a tin building/open air, just kettles and glass containers! I asked Mrs Taylor if she thought about the safety concerns her reply was alone the lines of 'Mercury, pah! Her, her grandfather, her father and all their siblings had done this since 1939 and all lived a healthy long life!' Not a care in the world, she still daily climbs down rope ladders, sets dynamite, blasts and extracts gold ore herself as well as crushing for any prospectors who arrive. She also always takes a bucket with her when taking her dogs for a walk as she generally find a few gold bearing rocks 'laying around' the bush! I have just read (see link) that she has recently sold her gold-mining tenements to the tune of AU$3 million + shares and options, not a bad retirement fund at 67 I guess, the battery is now a museum.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/west-australian-familys-g... Some good pictures in the slide show There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of which contain mercury. Just some joyous thing for those of you who sell them commercially to be aware of! http://www.cascadesurplus.com/lawsuit/ A number of popular suppliers are named in the lawsuit, including Antique Electronic Supply, Allied Electronics, Angela Instruments, MCM Electronics, VacuumTubes.com, Surplus Sales of Nebraska, and Triode Electronics, to name a few. Ebay had also been named a defendant, but they successfully moved to get dropped from the case because they do not manufacture vacuum tubes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics
As far as cleaning your mercury, I vaguely recall something about straining/filtering it through a piece of material like thin cowhide, or chamois. Verify that I'm correct before trying it. Ira. On the same mercury page I just mentioned*, it states: This picture is out of date: I've since added more mercury that came from a leaking barometer I got at a school auction, and cleaned it all up by using a coffee filter with a pinhole in the bottom of it (a technique I learned from Timothy Brumleve). Amazingly, you can simply let dirty oxidized mercury drip through such a filter, and it comes out bright and shiny. The oxide is left clinging to the sides of the coffee filter. Of course, you wouldn't want to do that without protection against the mercury vapor and a proper way to dispose of the mercury contaminated filters. - Theo Gray * http://periodictable.com/Elements/080/index.html - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Mercury - couple pics
I just uploaded a video that I recorded in 2009 in Old Mogo Town. It shows a rock crushing machine for extracting gold and a good explanation. Also some info about the mercury they used and that they were aware of it's poisonous character. http://youtu.be/8_Ft7am1vUk I though it was quite interesting, so that's why I put it up. Michel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Burned K155ID1 chips?
Does 0101 give a 5 as well? Was wondering if 0100 is stuck. Does it count.. 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 instead of 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:42:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: These were the results; input 0001 gives 5 instead of 1, and 0011 output 7 instead of 3, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?
74 ttl as mentioned really needs a 5v regulated supply, the 7805 is important. Also a ceramic decoupling capacitor accross each chip supply pins is a good idea, I've had similar issues with 74 devices, when the transistors change state within the device there is a 'rush through', sort of a temporary short across the 5v, this can deck the supply at the chip if there is resistance or incductance in the supply to it, which there allways is and cause a reset or screwup. It does sound like the chips are fried though. On 10 Feb, 04:56, micha...@aol.com wrote: Does 0101 give a 5 as well? Was wondering if 0100 is stuck. Does it count.. 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 instead of 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:42:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: These were the results; input 0001 gives 5 instead of 1, and 0011 output 7 instead of 3, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock available now!!!
On Feb 9, 11:49 pm, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: I have these supplies here on my workbench. It can not drive 10 IN-18 Nixie tubes and it rings, overheats, and the first blew up after 20 seconds. (Sorry John) John was helpful solving that problems, and send a new one, but this also rings. Just as another data point, the MOD-6 clock uses the horizontal version (1364) of that supply and it can light all 15 segments of 6 B7971 tubes at the same time and runs quite cool. Granted, this clock uses PWM drive so not all segments are actually on all the time. I've also subjected one of the 1364's to various indignities including shorting the output, powering it from a failing 12V wall wart and so on, and it has behaved flawlessly. I wouldn't hesitate to use it in one of my own future designs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?
If you use a 7805 as voltage stabilizer, consider these IC's need an overvoltage of at least 3V at the input. The show an voltage drop of that 3V. Usually a transformer with an output of 8 to 9 volts AC is advised (This results in a raw DS of 1.4 × 8 = 11.2 V. So you are safe for line and load dips. Adequate cooling of the 7800 is required ! eric -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dr pepper Sent: vrijdag 10 februari 2012 7:00 To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips? 74 ttl as mentioned really needs a 5v regulated supply, the 7805 is important. Also a ceramic decoupling capacitor accross each chip supply pins is a good idea, I've had similar issues with 74 devices, when the transistors change state within the device there is a 'rush through', sort of a temporary short across the 5v, this can deck the supply at the chip if there is resistance or incductance in the supply to it, which there allways is and cause a reset or screwup. It does sound like the chips are fried though. On 10 Feb, 04:56, micha...@aol.com wrote: Does 0101 give a 5 as well? Was wondering if 0100 is stuck. Does it count.. 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 instead of 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:42:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: These were the results; input 0001 gives 5 instead of 1, and 0011 output 7 instead of 3, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Mercury - couple pics
Ok, decided to clean it up and took some video (uploaded). So, it's not like water. I was worried about using a paper towel (thinking it would soak into it instead of repelling. Doesn't flow through even if poking a hole with a sewing needle. Coffee filter. Well, it doesn't flow through that either. even with poking holes. So, I had to twist the top very tight and then squeeze the Hg through it. It took nearly an hour to go through the bottle. Wow, what an amazing difference. Now looks like Silver paint (mirror) with only a few particles floating throughout. Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 8:07:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jreh...@mac.com writes: This picture is out of date: I've since added more mercury that came from a leaking barometer I got at a school auction, and cleaned it all up by using a coffee filter with a pinhole in the bottom of it (a technique I learned from Timothy Brumleve). Amazingly, you can simply let dirty oxidized mercury drip through such a filter, and it comes out bright and shiny. The oxide is left clinging to the sides of the coffee filter. Of course, you wouldn't want to do that without protection against the mercury vapor and a proper way to dispose of the mercury contaminated filters. - Theo Gray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips?
I would recommend to use a switch mode 5V regulator, no need to worry about dissipated heat. For low current power supplies I still use zener diodes, works very well if certain applications and no need to worry about voltage drops. Judging from your data (17mA 300ohm), your power supply is then about 10V. A series resistor to go from 10V down to 5V TTL really is an unusual solution. You can never guarantee that the current will be 17mA in all situations, so the voltage may vary between 3 and 8 for example, frying your chips in the mean time. Michel On Feb 10, 6:10 pm, Tidak Ada offl...@zeelandnet.nl wrote: If you use a 7805 as voltage stabilizer, consider these IC's need an overvoltage of at least 3V at the input. The show an voltage drop of that 3V. Usually a transformer with an output of 8 to 9 volts AC is advised (This results in a raw DS of 1.4 × 8 = 11.2 V. So you are safe for line and load dips. Adequate cooling of the 7800 is required ! eric -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dr pepper Sent: vrijdag 10 februari 2012 7:00 To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Burned K155ID1 chips? 74 ttl as mentioned really needs a 5v regulated supply, the 7805 is important. Also a ceramic decoupling capacitor accross each chip supply pins is a good idea, I've had similar issues with 74 devices, when the transistors change state within the device there is a 'rush through', sort of a temporary short across the 5v, this can deck the supply at the chip if there is resistance or incductance in the supply to it, which there allways is and cause a reset or screwup. It does sound like the chips are fried though. On 10 Feb, 04:56, micha...@aol.com wrote: Does 0101 give a 5 as well? Was wondering if 0100 is stuck. Does it count.. 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 4 instead of 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Michail In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:42:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, imba.a...@gmail.com writes: These were the results; input 0001 gives 5 instead of 1, and 0011 output 7 instead of 3, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
