Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-09-01 Thread Alan Sondheim
this is brilliant, thank you! - Alan On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, helen varley jamieson wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjtEKNP05c On 30/08/16 12:14 57PM, Gill Davies wrote: Well said, Ruth! On 30 August 2016 at 10:24, ruth catlow wrote: I now

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-09-01 Thread helen varley jamieson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjtEKNP05c On 30/08/16 12:14 57PM, Gill Davies wrote: > Well said, Ruth! > > On 30 August 2016 at 10:24, ruth catlow > wrote: > > I now work on the assumption that anything that i do using

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread Alan Sondheim
.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [sondh...@panix.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 1:55 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help! email lists, which still seem on the wane, seem to be the only online forum for exte

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread BishopZ
I hear what you are saying, and the conversation has ventured pretty far afield. I agree that Images are bad at math. They are bad at most hard sciences. But anthropology is just as complex as astrophysics, and images are much more prominent in soft sciences. Images do have long duree- they are

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread Johannes Birringer
vity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help! email lists, which still seem on the wane, seem to be the only online forum for extended discussion and a kind of 'care' in reading that's almost impossible elsewhere. that's why empyre, for example, works so well. there's a

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread Alan Sondheim
Hi Bishop, it's not the complexity of images; it's the long duree, which is different. If you're interested, say, in particle physics, images of Feynman diagrams or accelerators won't go anywhere towards understanding how the universe is. You need math, quantum theory, quantum field theory,

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread BishopZ
Can images not be so complex? Pinterest satisfies all of your concerns except the part about words. It takes just as much thought to use it well, as reading an essay. Pinterest is a (the only?) curatorial mass medium, and curation takes time. Some people try to use it like Fb or a Blog and

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread Alan Sondheim
I love the conversation inside Android! I can imagine plays written like this, it would be an interesting genre. I'm on Win10 however and it may be a bit different. On Fb I'm not that worried; what occurs on the surface is pretty much what I see (I've set so many precautions across the

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-31 Thread BishopZ
The issues of privacy are different depending if you are talking about the NSA, Facebook or Wikileaks. It is difficult to be pro-privacy in all three discussions. In terms of Facebook or Snapchat privacy, as James pointed out, be careful when simply reading the words. On Android, there are more

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-30 Thread Alan Sondheim
at least disorienting and different, and for everyone; the question is, what do we do about it? in the US, the potential hacking of the national election in November is frightening... alan On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote: We are really witnessing a shifting of mediated

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-30 Thread John Hopkins
We are really witnessing a shifting of mediated communications. As we age, protocols change and generations split along those differing protocol lines. the fabric of the social system continues to fray... interiority is being exhumed for profit... thoughtfulness subsumed by profiteering...

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-30 Thread Alan Sondheim
email lists, which still seem on the wane, seem to be the only online forum for extended discussion and a kind of 'care' in reading that's almost impossible elsewhere. that's why empyre, for example, works so well. there's a kind of reading-voice and interiority that allows for

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-30 Thread Gill Davies
Well said, Ruth! On 30 August 2016 at 10:24, ruth catlow wrote: > I now work on the assumption that anything that i do using social media is > allowing profit-driven corporations to reach into my person, harvest parts > of my subjective experience even I didn't

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-30 Thread ruth catlow
I now work on the assumption that anything that i do using social media is allowing profit-driven corporations to reach into my person, harvest parts of my subjective experience even I didn't know about, for their own profit, and at the risk of alienating my current selves from my future

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
I got really burned re: YouTube banning, which I wasn't able to overturn, had no due process, no real evidence presented and threatened by outsourced creeps with "Federal government jailtime" pasted into a reply. So I don't trust these organization and what they can or can't access; the

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
Agree with you but this seems particularly intrusive; basically, it wants to take control of one's life - On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote: Help - am I missing something? This is what Snapchat can access on my PC if I install it - it seems like a serious invasion of privacy. Any

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-29 Thread James Morris
I always think the warnings about required permissions are a bit alarmist, many of the permissions sound more sinister than they actually are, step back a bit from the whole privacy-invasion pov and look at it more from an application perspective. On 29/08/16 06:50, Alan Sondheim wrote:

Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-29 Thread John Hopkins
Help - am I missing something? This is what Snapchat can access on my PC if I install it - it seems like a serious invasion of privacy. Any comments greatly appreciated - Alan at this point, anything on social media is going to to this and more -- no need to be surprised, eh, Alan? more data

[NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

2016-08-28 Thread Alan Sondheim
Help - am I missing something? This is what Snapchat can access on my PC if I install it - it seems like a serious invasion of privacy. Any comments greatly appreciated - Alan Snapchat Snapchat Inc Free Version 9.37.6.0 can access: In-app purchases Identity find accounts on the device