Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
and i guess you have tried to draw also? sorry, it might not work cross-browser this, thanks for trying On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Mab MacMoragh mabmacmor...@gmail.com wrote: i can't enter any text but the responses are nice On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Bjørn Magnhildøen noem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - what it does when it does what it's supposed to do :) indeed, that's just about it. i mean, an open semantic form, would be, given the loop in your statement, where 'meaning' comes in, biting its tail. is meaning a loop? or is it open? is it a warm chewing away the dirt around itself? what about the gestures of the creature, do they have any meaning? alphabetic language might be likened to military commands, pitched rational and effective, building or destroying empires. beneath that are gestures, body, domains without handles, all kinds of, call them languages, since we're biological and anything we do is language as opposed to say random quantum events. it would be really hard for us to do something 'random' which wouldn't link up to our specific phenomenology. this, only to say that an 'open semantic form' is just a looser form of meaning-production, deliberately avoiding the ... and try establishing a poetical - the word - notion of ... not that 'poetical' is at stake, but how would a feral child communicate, given its history? can we imagine other types of languages, less formal,more intuitive than sign and glyph. so there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs. enter the ouroboros, when does it have meaning, when does the semantic form bite its tail? to be sure, we do not know even that it's a language. does it decode?does it have to decode? ah, much we want to decode... the mysteries...if only to stage them again as theater, doubled form and double negation. the 'O' stands untouched. i'm writing in your hand instead. the use i imagined of the asemic chat is like this chat log http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426628136.html where several humans, or reloads of, are chatting, with a bot on the side. but you see there are others like this http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426706990.html where one part is mute, only the bot is gesturing wildly, so we can imagine the human is actively imagining what it's saying. then i like this one also http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426624996.html which is a reframing of language+ i don't know if this answered your question.i thoughtof a primitive gestural communication, somehow in an absurd chat-form,questioning language and what we do with it. how could it not be social? keeping it simple (and stupid), there's some reflective space there, the context is already full, we arefull, so often we don't need much to catalyst. lot of text is used to prop up holes in the wall ... anyway, at some level there's a bridge between language and art, or state your own river. thanks for response, appreciated bjørn On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Thanks for posting : ) It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls (rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't read its handwriting). but what it does, doesn't tell me what A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean. please could you say more about what it does when it does what it's supposed to do? cheers Ruth On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
i can't enter any text but the responses are nice On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Bjørn Magnhildøen noem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - what it does when it does what it's supposed to do :) indeed, that's just about it. i mean, an open semantic form, would be, given the loop in your statement, where 'meaning' comes in, biting its tail. is meaning a loop? or is it open? is it a warm chewing away the dirt around itself? what about the gestures of the creature, do they have any meaning? alphabetic language might be likened to military commands, pitched rational and effective, building or destroying empires. beneath that are gestures, body, domains without handles, all kinds of, call them languages, since we're biological and anything we do is language as opposed to say random quantum events. it would be really hard for us to do something 'random' which wouldn't link up to our specific phenomenology. this, only to say that an 'open semantic form' is just a looser form of meaning-production, deliberately avoiding the ... and try establishing a poetical - the word - notion of ... not that 'poetical' is at stake, but how would a feral child communicate, given its history? can we imagine other types of languages, less formal,more intuitive than sign and glyph. so there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs. enter the ouroboros, when does it have meaning, when does the semantic form bite its tail? to be sure, we do not know even that it's a language. does it decode?does it have to decode? ah, much we want to decode... the mysteries...if only to stage them again as theater, doubled form and double negation. the 'O' stands untouched. i'm writing in your hand instead. the use i imagined of the asemic chat is like this chat log http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426628136.html where several humans, or reloads of, are chatting, with a bot on the side. but you see there are others like this http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426706990.html where one part is mute, only the bot is gesturing wildly, so we can imagine the human is actively imagining what it's saying. then i like this one also http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426624996.html which is a reframing of language+ i don't know if this answered your question.i thoughtof a primitive gestural communication, somehow in an absurd chat-form,questioning language and what we do with it. how could it not be social? keeping it simple (and stupid), there's some reflective space there, the context is already full, we arefull, so often we don't need much to catalyst. lot of text is used to prop up holes in the wall ... anyway, at some level there's a bridge between language and art, or state your own river. thanks for response, appreciated bjørn On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Thanks for posting : ) It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls (rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't read its handwriting). but what it does, doesn't tell me what A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean. please could you say more about what it does when it does what it's supposed to do? cheers Ruth On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
i am using a mac, you had said it didn't work for macs but i tried anyway and love the bot's little flight-paths, like butterflies- maybe i'll make something with those :) On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Bjørn Magnhildøen noem...@gmail.com wrote: and i guess you have tried to draw also? sorry, it might not work cross-browser this, thanks for trying On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Mab MacMoragh mabmacmor...@gmail.com wrote: i can't enter any text but the responses are nice On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Bjørn Magnhildøen noem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - what it does when it does what it's supposed to do :) indeed, that's just about it. i mean, an open semantic form, would be, given the loop in your statement, where 'meaning' comes in, biting its tail. is meaning a loop? or is it open? is it a warm chewing away the dirt around itself? what about the gestures of the creature, do they have any meaning? alphabetic language might be likened to military commands, pitched rational and effective, building or destroying empires. beneath that are gestures, body, domains without handles, all kinds of, call them languages, since we're biological and anything we do is language as opposed to say random quantum events. it would be really hard for us to do something 'random' which wouldn't link up to our specific phenomenology. this, only to say that an 'open semantic form' is just a looser form of meaning-production, deliberately avoiding the ... and try establishing a poetical - the word - notion of ... not that 'poetical' is at stake, but how would a feral child communicate, given its history? can we imagine other types of languages, less formal,more intuitive than sign and glyph. so there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs. enter the ouroboros, when does it have meaning, when does the semantic form bite its tail? to be sure, we do not know even that it's a language. does it decode?does it have to decode? ah, much we want to decode... the mysteries...if only to stage them again as theater, doubled form and double negation. the 'O' stands untouched. i'm writing in your hand instead. the use i imagined of the asemic chat is like this chat log http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426628136.html where several humans, or reloads of, are chatting, with a bot on the side. but you see there are others like this http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426706990.html where one part is mute, only the bot is gesturing wildly, so we can imagine the human is actively imagining what it's saying. then i like this one also http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426624996.html which is a reframing of language+ i don't know if this answered your question.i thoughtof a primitive gestural communication, somehow in an absurd chat-form,questioning language and what we do with it. how could it not be social? keeping it simple (and stupid), there's some reflective space there, the context is already full, we arefull, so often we don't need much to catalyst. lot of text is used to prop up holes in the wall ... anyway, at some level there's a bridge between language and art, or state your own river. thanks for response, appreciated bjørn On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Thanks for posting : ) It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls (rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't read its handwriting). but what it does, doesn't tell me what A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean. please could you say more about what it does when it does what it's supposed to do? cheers Ruth On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
Thanks Bjørn, I enjoyed your response. I started to feel silly, asking about meaning. Then I got to there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs and realised I didn't know what asemic meant. This helped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writing Then I started to think how silly the machine was for trying to make marks that look like those made by beings (humans, dogs, cats) with bodies. I will continue to enjoy this work. Thank you. :) R On 18/03/15 21:03, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: Hi - what it does when it does what it's supposed to do :) indeed, that's just about it. i mean, an open semantic form, would be, given the loop in your statement, where 'meaning' comes in, biting its tail. is meaning a loop? or is it open? is it a warm chewing away the dirt around itself? what about the gestures of the creature, do they have any meaning? alphabetic language might be likened to military commands, pitched rational and effective, building or destroying empires. beneath that are gestures, body, domains without handles, all kinds of, call them languages, since we're biological and anything we do is language as opposed to say random quantum events. it would be really hard for us to do something 'random' which wouldn't link up to our specific phenomenology. this, only to say that an 'open semantic form' is just a looser form of meaning-production, deliberately avoiding the ... and try establishing a poetical - the word - notion of ... not that 'poetical' is at stake, but how would a feral child communicate, given its history? can we imagine other types of languages, less formal,more intuitive than sign and glyph. so there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs. enter the ouroboros, when does it have meaning, when does the semantic form bite its tail? to be sure, we do not know even that it's a language. does it decode?does it have to decode? ah, much we want to decode... the mysteries...if only to stage them again as theater, doubled form and double negation. the 'O' stands untouched. i'm writing in your hand instead. the use i imagined of the asemic chat is like this chat log http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426628136.html where several humans, or reloads of, are chatting, with a bot on the side. but you see there are others like this http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426706990.html where one part is mute, only the bot is gesturing wildly, so we can imagine the human is actively imagining what it's saying. then i like this one also http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426624996.html which is a reframing of language+ i don't know if this answered your question.i thoughtof a primitive gestural communication, somehow in an absurd chat-form,questioning language and what we do with it. how could it not be social? keeping it simple (and stupid), there's some reflective space there, the context is already full, we arefull, so often we don't need much to catalyst. lot of text is used to prop up holes in the wall ... anyway, at some level there's a bridge between language and art, or state your own river. thanks for response, appreciated bjørn On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Thanks for posting : ) It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls (rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't read its handwriting). but what it does, doesn't tell me what A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean. please could you say more about what it does when it does what it's supposed to do? cheers Ruth On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com mailto:sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
Then I got to there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and dogs and realised I didn't know what asemic meant. This helped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writing see: http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/50718 (one aspect of the history of writing) what does it *mean*? jh -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD grounded on a granite batholith twitter: @neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
Thanks for posting : ) It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls (rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't read its handwriting). but what it does, doesn't tell me what A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean. please could you say more about what it does when it does what it's supposed to do? cheers Ruth On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote: i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com mailto:sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ human + bot 3 humans + bot ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Asemic chat
i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't cross-checked on browsers still, empty dialogues create visuals... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's amazing and graphically really interesting! On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: A wordless open semantic form of social interaction between humans and bot http://noemata.net/chatasemic/ [human_bot.png] human + bot [3humans_bot.png] 3 humans + bot == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
