Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags needs a correction

2019-08-01 Thread Lou Berger
Joel,     The only needed edit is the addition of the -state appendix, right?  Or is something else needed? Thanks, Lou (as co-author) On 7/27/2019 5:54 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Folks Ignas, draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags, currently in IESG review is in need of a a fairly significant edit,

[netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-07

2019-07-24 Thread Lou Berger via Datatracker
Lou Berger has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-07 as Best Current Practice on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding

Re: [netmod] YANG next

2019-07-23 Thread Lou Berger
On 7/23/2019 12:03 PM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was somewhat misled ... This IETF's "side-meeting" approach to non-WG meetings is quite confusing.  This meeting was *not* a WG nor was it part of any NetMod WG coordinated

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-06.txt

2019-07-11 Thread Lou Berger
by (4c) in the link you provided. Please let me know if any adjustments are needed. Thanks, Kent (as an author) On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Lou Berger wrote: Hi Kent, Authors, Sorry for the delay in processing this. WRT your comments, see below: On 6/27/2019 5:35 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: This

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-06.txt

2019-07-10 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Kent, Authors, Sorry for the delay in processing this.  WRT your comments, see below: On 6/27/2019 5:35 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: This update primarily regards the non-normative script:     - renamed to "rfcfold"     - now only uses sed one-liners     - auto-detects if platforms `[g]sed` and

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-02

2019-05-29 Thread Lou Berger
. Thank you! Lou On 5/12/2019 5:19 PM, Lou Berger wrote: All, This starts a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-02 The working group last call ends on May 27. Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've rev

[netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-02

2019-05-12 Thread Lou Berger
Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in

[netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-02

2019-05-12 Thread Lou Berger
All, This starts a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-02 The working group last call ends on May 27. Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for

Re: [netmod] 6021 ipv4-prefix

2019-04-18 Thread Lou Berger
Having worked with UIs that have the behavior of accepting an address/prefix-len and mapping it to a prefix, (i.e., network/prefix-len and zeroing out the non-significant bits)  - some users really like it as they don't have to do the transformation from address to network, notably for odd

Re: [netmod] adoption poll for yang-versioning-reqs-02

2019-03-22 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, Thank you all for the good input on this thread. With the understanding that a 00 working group document is a starting point for the working group rather than a document that is ready for last call - we believe there is sufficient support to adopt this document as a starting point for

Re: [netmod] [802.1 - 12909] IETF Sub-interface VLAN YANG Data Models - draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-04

2018-11-12 Thread Lou Berger
the comments raised in this mail, update the draft and then go to LC.  Please note that the document status should be changed Informational to Standards Track. On 11/13/2018 11:55 AM, John Messenger wrote: Hi, At the 802.1 TSN meeting this morning, Lou Berger made a presentation on behalf of Rob

[netmod] Revised NetMod agenda

2018-11-05 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     We have shuffled the slots a bit in order to allow for more discussion in the second session.  Specifically, the following are now in the first session:    Title:    A YANG Data model for Event Management     Presenter:    Michael Wang     Draft:

[netmod] Please send you slides...

2018-11-04 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     All received slides received to date have been uploaded to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/session/netmod If you are on the agenda, please send your slides ASAP.  If you have already sent them, please confirm that they are posted at the above link. Thank you! Lou

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08

2018-11-02 Thread Lou Berger
an open issues section.) Thank you, Lou(and co-chairs) On 10/18/2018 9:03 AM, Lou Berger wrote: All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no

[netmod] Draft IETF103 agenda uploaded

2018-10-24 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     A draft agenda is available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-netmod Please take a look and send any question/comments/corrections you may have. Thank you, Lou (Kent and Joel) ___ netmod mailing list

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll (draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data)

2018-10-22 Thread Lou Berger
and the file name changed to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-00.txt.  Please note the file name change.  If you object to this change please propose an alternative. Thank you, Lou (and co-chairs) On 10/8/2018 7:38 AM, Lou Berger wrote: All, This is start of a two week poll

Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08

2018-10-18 Thread Lou Berger
Poll ends Nov 1 - sorry about that... On 10/18/2018 9:03 AM, Lou Berger wrote: All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support&q

[netmod] WG adoption poll draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08

2018-10-18 Thread Lou Berger
All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to

[netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-kwatsen-netmod-artwork-folding-08

2018-10-16 Thread Lou Berger
Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been

Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

2018-10-08 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Rob, On 10/8/2018 9:51 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: Hi Lou, On 08/10/2018 13:57, Lou Berger wrote: Hi Rob/All, Keep in mind that the document says what it says and that to change text really requires a new version. On 10/8/2018 6:01 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: So there seem to be two

Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

2018-10-08 Thread Lou Berger
On 10/8/2018 10:13 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 08:57:33AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: I think it's clear that the reviewers, notably myself as shepherd, missed that this is a lowercase "must" and should have asked for clarification during the review proces

Re: [netmod] Place to download Standard YANG Modules ?

2018-10-08 Thread Lou Berger
On 10/8/2018 9:23 AM, Balázs Lengyel wrote: Hello Martin, Thanks for the info. Yang-Catalog does not allow the download of modules. AFAIK it only gives you metadata about the modules. You mentioned download from pyang. How does that work? I used https://github.com/YangModels/yang for some

Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

2018-10-08 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Rob/All, Keep in mind that the document says what it says and that to change text really requires a new version. On 10/8/2018 6:01 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: So there seem to be two available solutions here: (i) The server MUST provide an origin value for the top level datanode, This is

[netmod] WG adoption poll

2018-10-08 Thread Lou Berger
All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free

[netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data-04

2018-10-05 Thread Lou Berger
Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been

Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

2018-10-05 Thread Lou Berger
use/scope of errata is wrong. Lou On 10/5/2018 10:28 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: Well, if you think an errata does not work, we can file a one page document with N pages of boilerplate around it. /js On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 08:14:33AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Juergen

Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8342 (5514)

2018-10-05 Thread Lou Berger
Juergen,     The document says what it says, i.e., "The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be specified."  Changes to this would require a BIS or an RFC that updates this document. Lou On 10/5/2018 6:14 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: Hi, the authors have been

Re: [netmod] YANG module security considerations template - TLS reference

2018-10-01 Thread Lou Berger
At this point I think it's mature enough to be a yang DR or NETMOD wg thing? Thoughts, objections? Lou -- On October 1, 2018 2:32:34 PM Kent Watsen wrote: Benoit is the progenitor of the template. I took it to be an "AD thing" has since passed to Ignas. Kent ?-Original

Re: [netmod] IPR call draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02

2018-09-26 Thread Lou Berger
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Lou On 9/26/2018 11:26 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: Authors, Contributors, WG, Regarding the document draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft

[netmod] Draft minutes posted

2018-08-07 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, Draft minutes have been posted based on the current etherpad http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-102-netmod Thanks to all who contributed! Please feel free to make corrections (based on what was actually said) and let the list know that you made changes... Cheers, Lou

Re: [netmod] Fwd: Re: YANG schema mount - any early implementations?

2018-08-02 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     hopefully others will chime in too, but here's my view (as a user of schema mount, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model)... On 7/30/2018 7:27 PM, Hayden Brown wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to ask if it would be possible to clarify the intentions around

[netmod] IETF 102 Draft agenda available

2018-07-02 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     A draft agenda for IETF is now available, please take a look to ensure your request is included: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/agenda-102-netmod Comments/corrections should be sent to the WG chairs alias (cc'ed above). Thank you, Lou (Joel and Kent)

[netmod] YANG Model Versioning Design Team

2018-04-20 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, As discussed at the NETMOD WG session in IETF 101, London, we would like to set up a design team for YANG versioning. The proposed charter for the design team is as follows: The YANG Model Versioning Design Team is chartered to propose a revised approach to supporting YANG module updates.

Re: [netmod] js review of draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-09

2018-04-11 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, I have a suggested minor clarification below. -- On April 11, 2018 2:47:24 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:58:00PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen

[netmod] Updated minutes available in etherpad -- please review and correct

2018-04-08 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     Thanks to Michael, we have updated minutes available for review at https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-101-netmod  There are still some missing names, so if you made comments, please review and ensure that both your names and comments are properly recorded. Final minutes

[netmod] Draft Agenda for IETF 101

2018-03-09 Thread Lou Berger
Hi,     A draft agenda has been uploaded (a couple of days ago).  See https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-netmod.txt I just updated it with a recent request, and there is one additional topic that may be added. Please take a look and verify that your request has

Re: [netmod] choice/case in tree diagrams

2018-03-06 Thread Lou Berger
On 3/6/2018 7:10 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Martin, On March 6, 2018 4:44:47 AM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Hi, After thinking some more about this, realizing that this document is in AUTH48, and looking at the fi

Re: [netmod] choice/case in tree diagrams

2018-03-06 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, On March 6, 2018 4:44:47 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, After thinking some more about this, realizing that this document is in AUTH48, and looking at the first sentence in the Abstract: This document captures the current syntax used in YANG module tree

[netmod] IETF 101 Slot Requests

2018-02-25 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, The IETF agenda has been posted: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/agenda.html We're scheduled to meet: TUESDAY, March 20, 2018    1550-1820  Afternoon Session II WEDNESDAY, March 21, 2018    1330-1500  Afternoon Session I Please send any slot requests to the chairs alias (see

Re: [netmod] Proposal for minimalist full NMDA support in schema mount

2018-02-23 Thread Lou Berger
a model that we think will work well in the post NMDA world that all of the IETF YANG models are moving to. Thanks, Rob On 23/02/2018 14:36, Lou Berger wrote: Rob, I think we're going in circles here. We have one camp that wants to replace the current module with pre 09 and is unwilling

Re: [netmod] Proposal for minimalist full NMDA support in schema mount

2018-02-23 Thread Lou Berger
Rob, I think we're going in circles here. We have one camp that wants to replace the current module with pre 09 and is unwilling to discuss compromise, and another camp that wants 08 published as is and has been waiting for the working group and authors to submit aversion to the IESG for

Re: [netmod] Proposal for minimalist full NMDA support in schema mount

2018-02-23 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, On 2/23/2018 7:55 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Martin/Rob,     Back when the topic was raised for the first time publicly (Yokahama) and discussed in the WG [1] *any* solution would have been workable.  At this point > 2 years late

Re: [netmod] Proposal for minimalist full NMDA support in schema mount

2018-02-23 Thread Lou Berger
appendix if that helps progress the document in a more expedient fashion. Thanks, Rob On 22/02/2018 16:18, Lou Berger wrote: Hi, (I have a bunch of different roles WRT this work.  This mail is being sent as an individual - as chair, I fully support the previous chair statements on this draft.) Chris a

[netmod] Proposal for minimalist full NMDA support in schema mount

2018-02-22 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, (I have a bunch of different roles WRT this work.  This mail is being sent as an individual - as chair, I fully support the previous chair statements on this draft.) Chris and I have come up with a proposal on how to provide full NMDA as part the existing schema-mount module.  Our

Re: [netmod] WG: Adoption Poll: draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext-01

2018-02-15 Thread Lou Berger
of the discussions in the -01 rev. Finally, I believe the -01 rev should indicate that the document updates RFC8040. Thank you, Lou (and co-chairs) On 1/25/2018 8:26 AM, Lou Berger wrote: Hi, This is the start of a *two* week poll on making draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext a working group document

Re: [netmod] Correction, date It ends Feb 20th Re: Adoption Poll: draft-rtgyangdt-netmod-module-tags-02

2018-02-06 Thread Lou Berger
yes/support no, I don't know of any IPR that applies to this document... Lou (as co-author) On 2/6/2018 6:57 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: Sorry, Feb 20th is the end date for the adoption call. regards joel On 2/6/18 3:47 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: Hi, This is the start of a *two* week poll

[netmod] WG: Adoption Poll: draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext-01

2018-01-25 Thread Lou Berger
Hi, This is the start of a *two* week poll on making draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free

Re: [netmod] moving forward with schema mount

2018-01-24 Thread Lou Berger
On 01/23/2018 03:26 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:05:54PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> Thank you all for the important discussion since the completion of WGLC on >> Nov 6th. >> >> Per normal process, drafts typically progress once LC comments are address >>

Re: [netmod] moving forward with schema mount

2018-01-24 Thread Lou Berger
One additional point below. n 01/24/2018 09:35 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > > > On 1/24/18 8:07 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Kent Watsen writes: >> >>> Thank you all for the important discussion since the completion of WGLC on >>> Nov 6th. >>> >>> Per normal

[netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext-01

2018-01-20 Thread Lou Berger
Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-19 Thread Lou Berger
Rob, On January 19, 2018 1:05:46 PM Robert Wilton wrote: On 17/01/2018 16:40, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Ok. I'm ok with keeping the inline case as it is. However, I think I don't agree. The metadata annotation solves real

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-19 Thread Lou Berger
rrently we are focusing on getting the new yang library >>> finalized. If no major isses pop up, the NMDA work may be complete by >>> the London IETF. Hence the 3 months lower bound mentioned above. >> I agree, and will try to help. >> >> Thanks, Lada >&

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-18 Thread Lou Berger
order. Lou On January 18, 2018 2:57:23 AM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On 1/17/2018 11:18 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: ... >>> My main concern is actually the YL version. I strongly think SM need >>> to use YL-

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 11:18 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: ... My main concern is actually the YL version. I strongly think SM need to use YL-bis rather that the old YL, so that it can support NMDA. Right now to SM is independent of Yang Library version and can run with either. No this is not correct.

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 11:57 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Ok. I'm ok with keeping the inline case as it is. However, I think I don't agree. The metadata annotation solves real issues. One issue with the annotation is that since the schema might be different in different datastores, it means that the

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 11:26 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: But when we discussed this the last time having inline schema available at the top level (in the SM module), the general consensus was that having YL under inline was the preferred approach. What is new now is that we have an indirection; each

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 11:06 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: I thought that the problem with the current solution and NMDA, was that there is no way to find out what the LNE schema is if the LNE isn't booted, and hence isn't providing . But I'm not sure what issues that actually causes. E.g. does it cause

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On January 17, 2018 9:42:43 AM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On 1/17/2018 3:20 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: >> >> On 1/16/2018 11:15 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: >>

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 3:20 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On 1/16/2018 11:15 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: On 16/01/2018 15:50, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On 1/16/2018 10:13 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: ... (trimm

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-17 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/17/2018 1:59 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: ... I think it is incumbent upon those revisiting past/closed WG decisions (in this case, inline schema being represented by YL) to argue why the decision needs to be revisited. I'm repeating my self: b/c the current solution doesn't work well with

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/16/2018 11:15 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: On 16/01/2018 15:50, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On 1/16/2018 10:13 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: ... (trimming to topic) rejectected by the WG multiple times. FWIW there are drafts already with No

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
That's a fine idea, but ultimately we'll need to discuss/understand the impact to the other dependent drafts, including the two already with the IESG.  If you can look at those and comment now, that would be helpful. Lou On 1/16/2018 10:55 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: I propose that we update

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/16/2018 10:22 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: I think it is incumbent upon those revisiting past/closed WG decisions (in this case, inline schema being represented by YL) to argue why the decision needs to be revisited. I'm repeating my self: b/c the current solution doesn't work well with

Re: [netmod] WGLC - draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/16/2018 10:08 AM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote: 4. This bit I found confusing. I propose this change to unambiguously describe the current pyang format. OLD: *  for a leaf-list or list [] for a list's keys NEW: *  for a leaf-list or list without keys

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/16/2018 10:13 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: ... (trimming to topic) rejectected by the WG multiple times. FWIW there are drafts already with No at all. The first and last time I proposed this was on 15 December 2017: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg19753.html

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On 1/16/2018 8:50 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: On January 16, 2018 8:24:42 AM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Lada, On January 16, 2018 7:07:15 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz>

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
in different datastores. I strongly believe that these changes (along with the new YANG library schema and NMDA) make for a simple and elegant datastore architecture in which schema mount would be an optional feature. Lada On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 16:20 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: Lada/Martin

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
On January 16, 2018 8:24:42 AM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Lada, On January 16, 2018 7:07:15 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: > On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 06:30 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> Lada, >> &g

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
Lada, On January 16, 2018 7:07:15 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 06:30 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: Lada, It sounds like you are proposing in (1) a fairly significant change in the direction of the draft and in (2) a basic approach that ha

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-16 Thread Lou Berger
legant datastore architecture in which schema mount would be an optional feature. Lada On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 16:20 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: Lada/Martin, I don't believe we reached closure on this discussion. The open issues relate to proposed new text (slightly modified): at the end of the s

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2018-01-15 Thread Lou Berger
that the Schema Mount module itself parallels the   YANG Library module and only defines operational state data. Is this change acceptable? What other issues related to SM are outstanding? Thank you, Lou On 12/19/2017 8:26 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 07:49 -0500, Lou Berger wrote

Re: [netmod] Reminder: WGLC - draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams

2018-01-15 Thread Lou Berger
Rob, Thanks for all the helpful feedback! On 01/15/2018 10:07 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: ... >> NEW: >> >>    If the node is augmented into the tree from another module, >>    its name is printed as :, where is the >>    prefix defined in the module where the node is defined.

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams - IPR verfication request

2017-12-21 Thread Lou Berger
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Lou (co-author) On 12/19/2017 1:39 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No,

Re: [netmod] AD review: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-08

2017-12-20 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/20/2017 4:25 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Chairs, should I post a new version with these fixes? Please, but only once you have addressed/closed Vladimir's comment. Thanks, Lou ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

[netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-08

2017-12-20 Thread Lou Berger
Lou Berger has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-08 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores

Re: [netmod] *one* week 2nd WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-07

2017-12-20 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/20/2017 07:06 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 06:25:04AM -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> >> If the text above is accurate, I think something along its lined along its >> lined should be added. If not accurate, then I think you have a ne

Re: [netmod] *one* week 2nd WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-07

2017-12-20 Thread Lou Berger
On December 19, 2017 3:31:34 PM Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: Hi Lou, Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Hi, ... 3) A minor point, the document uses the terms boot and reboot. I suspect that these terms are intended to cover any full or partial, e.g., proto

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-03.txt

2017-12-19 Thread Lou Berger
is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : YANG Tree Diagrams >> Authors : Martin Bjorklund >>

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2017-12-19 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/19/2017 7:36 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 06:43 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> Hi Lada, >> >> On 12/19/2017 6:23 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 06:20 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >>>> Lada, >>>> >

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2017-12-19 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Lada, On 12/19/2017 6:23 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 06:20 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> Lada, >> >> >> On December 19, 2017 1:12:35 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 15:30 -0500, Lou

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2017-12-19 Thread Lou Berger
Woops that should be rw... On December 19, 2017 6:21:22 AM Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: Lada, On December 19, 2017 1:12:35 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 15:30 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: lada, See below. On 12/15/2017 8:59 AM, Lad

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2017-12-19 Thread Lou Berger
Lada, On December 19, 2017 1:12:35 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 15:30 -0500, Lou Berger wrote: lada, See below. On 12/15/2017 8:59 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Hi, > > unfortunately, using an action for querying embedded YANG library

[netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
Lou Berger has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-entity/ ___ netmod mailing list

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06.txt

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/18/2017 4:11 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net > <mailto:lber...@labn.net>> wrote: > > On 12/18/2017 04:01 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon,

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06.txt

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/18/2017 04:01 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de > <mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de>> wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 03:35:55PM -0500, Lou Be

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06.txt

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/18/2017 3:22 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Lou Berger <lber...@labn.net> wrote: >> >> On 12/18/2017 3:06 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> See RFC 3688 section 4. >> cool, dueling BCPs. > cool indeed. > >> Is there a reason >> https

Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
lada,     See below. On 12/15/2017 8:59 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Hi, > > unfortunately, using an action for querying embedded YANG library data > (needed for the "inline" case of schema mount) doesn't work either > because now under NMDA actions can be used only on instances in the >

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06.txt

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/18/2017 3:06 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > See RFC 3688 section 4. cool, dueling BCPs. Is there a reason https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-14#section-5 doesn't apply? Lou > /js > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Lou Berger wrot

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-06.txt

2017-12-18 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, Authors, is there a reason that the draft says:     Registrant Contact: The IESG. vs the typical:    Registrant Contact: The NETMOD WG of the IETF. Thanks, Lou On 12/18/2017 4:39 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > This version addresses the WGLC comments received.

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-01

2017-12-15 Thread Lou Berger
the WG know when you have published a version ready for publication. Also please let the WG know what has changed in the document since the start of LC (rev -01) Thank you, NetMod Chairs On 11/29/2017 12:26 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a two-week working group

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-entity-05

2017-12-15 Thread Lou Berger
L" in this document are to be interpreted as   described in BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they       appear in all capitals, as shown here. Thank you Lou (and co-chairs) On 11/29/2017 12:35 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a two-week working gr

Re: [netmod] Joel Jaeggli as a third NETMOD co-chair

2017-12-15 Thread Lou Berger
Joel,     Welcome aboard! Lou On 12/15/2017 12:21 PM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, > > A lot is happening these days in the world of data modeling-driven > management at the IETF: >     NMDA architecture, NETCONF, RESTCONF >     NMDA-compliant YANG modules: some RFC bis modules but also

[netmod] Fwd: [Netconf] Virtual Interim meeting minutes

2017-12-14 Thread Lou Berger
FYI - keep in mind that the discussion on rfc7895bis is taking place in *netconf*... Forwarded Message Subject:[Netconf] Virtual Interim meeting minutes Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:25:25 -0800 From: Mahesh Jethanandani To: netconf

Re: [netmod] *one* week 2nd WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-07

2017-12-12 Thread Lou Berger
to submit to the IESG for publication. Thank you, Lou On 12/04/2017 09:35 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a second working group last call on > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores. > > As this is a 2nd LC that is focused on changes since the last LC, it close

Re: [netmod] *one* week 2nd WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-07

2017-12-12 Thread Lou Berger
oot and reboot. Thank you, Lou (As Shepherd) On 12/04/2017 09:35 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a second working group last call on > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores. > > As this is a 2nd LC that is focused on changes since the last LC, it closes > in *one*

Re: [netmod] YANG library structure

2017-12-08 Thread Lou Berger
On 12/08/2017 06:15 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> In talking to some others on this topic, they suggested using a library per >> datastore. I haven't look into this enough to know if that is a good or bad >> idea, but it seems functionally equivalent to your first option but realized >>

Re: [netmod] YANG library structure

2017-12-08 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, Thanks for raising this, there's definitely some open issues as well as confusion on this topic. In the different options listed below you say that each datastore refers to a schema, correct? What is the mechanism you would use to do this? In talking to some others on this topic,

Re: [netmod] intended status of the tree diagram document

2017-12-07 Thread Lou Berger
uot;? /js On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 07:36:58AM +0800, Lou Berger wrote: Martin, I think you are correct. We should leave as is. I'm sure Kent/the document Shepherd makes sure whatever we do is right before publication in any case. Lou (as contributor) On 11/15/2017 8:58 PM, Martin Bjork

Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines

2017-12-07 Thread Lou Berger
which points to the relevant documents. A > wiki pointing to RFCs and ID, not RFC pointing to wikis. So this does not > affect the documents. > > /js > > PS: I am happy to add pointers to guidelines as a section to the > wikipedia page. > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017

Re: [netmod] intended status of the tree diagram document

2017-12-07 Thread Lou Berger
right now, the document says standards track, Martin's proposal was to > move to informational. So how do I parse "I think you are correct. We > should leave as is."? > > /js > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 07:36:58AM +0800, Lou Berger wrote: >> Martin, >> I think y

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