Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi Rob, Thanks for the thoughtful proposal, and I support it. One thing to confirm, for models that may become RFCs in the next two years and where the IP address doesn’t support zones, "ip-address” should still be used. Correct? Thanks, Yingzhen > On Apr 11, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Rob Wilton

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Reshad Rahman
Rob, I think your suggestion is a good compromise. I don't see the issue with deprecating no-zone since it can still be used. Regards,Reshad. On Monday, April 11, 2022, 02:43:53 PM EDT, Andy Bierman wrote: On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:09 AM Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - On 2022-04-11

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member inline. From: netmod on behalf of Andy Bierman Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:28 PM To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" Cc: "l...@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:09 AM Randy Presuhn < randy_pres...@alumni.stanford.edu> wrote: > Hi - > > On 2022-04-11 10:43 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Do we have reason to believe that no one outside the IETF has used > > ip-address as we published in ways that need a zone? > > It seems like

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - On 2022-04-11 10:43 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: Do we have reason to believe that no one outside the IETF has used ip-address as we published in ways that need a zone? It seems like wishful thinking. There's really no way to verify that no one anywhere has used the specification as it

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Do we have reason to believe that no one outside the IETF has used ip-address as we published in ways that need a zone? It seems to me that the first step in the plan below is reasonable. But changing ip-address itself seems a bad idea. If one means no-zone, use the -no-zone typedef.

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:07 AM Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the comments on this thread so far. It would be nice if we are > able to come to some sort of rough consensus to a solution. > > I think that there is consensus that the YANG type ip-address (and the > v4/v6

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi all, Thanks for the comments on this thread so far. It would be nice if we are able to come to some sort of rough consensus to a solution. I think that there is consensus that the YANG type ip-address (and the v4/v6 versions) are badly named as the prominent default type name has been

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello, Sorry for the late comments as I am not very familiar with the topic, but some questions: - What makes a tag "self-describing" ? Unless this "self-describing" has a specific meaning, it would be easier not use it. I personally would prefer instead of "self-describing data object tags"

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread tom petch
From: Kent Watsen Sent: 11 April 2022 12:21 Thank to you all for the responses. I do like the full 40 page tree, as an appendix. If I want to look for the use of e.g. ip-address then the full tree is much easier to riff through than lots of little pieces. The I-D I mention has pieces as

[netmod] new extensions in draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I do not find this draft useful. I am curious about the extensions introduced. It looks like all containers and lists are tagged as 'object'. All config=true terminals are tagged as 'property' and perhaps all config=false terminals are tagged as 'metric' (although the example shows a

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
See inline. On 4/11/22, 5:13 AM, "tom petch" wrote: From: Lsr on behalf of Reshad Rahman Sent: 10 April 2022 21:42 Inline. On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 06:04:42 PM EDT, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Chris (as WG member), On 4/5/22, 10:47 AM, "Christian Hopps"

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Qin Wu
Hi, Jurgen: -邮件原件- 发件人: Jürgen Schönwälder [mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de] 发送时间: 2022年4月11日 20:18 收件人: Qin Wu 抄送: Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org 主题: Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06 On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:52:10AM +, Qin Wu wrote: > >I have not

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
It seems like we confuse use cases with mechanisms. We should IMHO focus on defining one mechanism to convey metadata and ideally that mechanism than supports multiple use cases. /js On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 01:14:08PM +, Qin Wu wrote: > Hi, Jurgen: > Thank for bringing this issue up. >

Re: [netmod] Difference between current() and "."

2022-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
Google pointed me to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/XPath/Functions/current and the Notes section on that page explains the difference. /js On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 01:04:24PM +, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Xpath experts, > What is the difference between the meaning of >

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Qin Wu
Hi, Jurgen: Thank for bringing this issue up. Generally, I feel two drafts are orthogonal to each other. Draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06 focuses on YANG modelled data classification while draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-03 focuses on telemetry related server capability exposure,

[netmod] Difference between current() and "."

2022-04-11 Thread Balázs Lengyel
Hello Xpath experts, What is the difference between the meaning of Current() And "." Single dot In YANG-Xpath ? must ". <= 10" must "current() <= 10" Are these the same? Regards Balazs ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:52:10AM +, Qin Wu wrote: > >I have not read the document in detail yet but I find the notion of data > >objects and subobjects confusing. I also do not know what "massive" data > >object collections are or why both objects and subobjects can be modeled as > >YANG

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Qin Wu
Hi, Jürgen: Thank for quick comments. Please see reply inline below. -邮件原件- >发件人: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Jürgen Sch?nw?lder >发送时间: 2022年4月11日 16:19 >收件人: Kent Watsen >抄送: netmod@ietf.org >主题: Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06 >I have a problem with

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi all, Agree with Martin. Here is the note I'm using in some RFCs with long trees: The full tree diagram of the module can be generated using the "pyang" tool [PYANG]. That tree is not included here because it is too long (Section 3.3 of [RFC8340]). Instead, subtrees are provided

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread Kent Watsen
> But a 40 page tree diagram isn't very useful anyway, imo. If I want > the full tree diagram I can run a tool to generate it. Tree diagrams > are best used in combination with explanatory text to explain certain > aspects of the module design. Perhaps section 3.4 in RFC 8407 should be >

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread Benoit Claise
Hi Tom, Martin beat me on this one. So the famous +1 to his "in combination with explanatory text to explain certain aspects of the module design "reply :-) We got rid a page number for a good reason (in the YANG world). Regards, Benoit On 4/11/2022 1:02 PM, Martin Björklund wrote: tom

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread Martin Björklund
tom petch wrote: > Can a YANG tree diagram contain comment lines? > > draft-ietf-teas-yang-te has a tree diagram of 40 pages and since the > IETF has abolished the page number, then any reference into it could > be a challenge. For a YANG module, this can be ameliorated by > inserting comment

Re: [netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread Lou Berger
Yes. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8340#section-2.5 Lou -- On April 11, 2022 6:52:27 AM tom petch wrote: Can a YANG tree diagram contain comment lines? draft-ietf-teas-yang-te has a tree diagram of 40 pages and since the IETF has abolished the page number, then any

[netmod] Tree diagram comment lines

2022-04-11 Thread tom petch
Can a YANG tree diagram contain comment lines? draft-ietf-teas-yang-te has a tree diagram of 40 pages and since the IETF has abolished the page number, then any reference into it could be a challenge. For a YANG module, this can be ameliorated by inserting comment lines every page or two.

Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread tom petch
From: Lsr on behalf of Reshad Rahman Sent: 10 April 2022 21:42 Inline. On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 06:04:42 PM EDT, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Chris (as WG member), On 4/5/22, 10:47 AM, "Christian Hopps" mailto:cho...@chopps.org>> wrote: > On Apr 5, 2022, at 09:48, Acee

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
I have a problem with the term "Self-Describing Data Object Tags". It is not clear what 'self-describing' means. RFC 8819 defines "YANG Module Tags", i.e., tags that apply to entire modules. Perhaps this document should be titled "YANG Data Node Instance Tags". There should be in general a check

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
During the NETCONF meeting at IETF 113, Benoit presented an I-D titled Per-Node Capabilities for Optimum Operational Data Collection draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-03 and I asked why we need another metadata export mechanism given that node tags is been worked on

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-06

2022-04-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Kent, all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Med > -Message d'origine- > De : Kent Watsen > Envoyé : vendredi 8 avril 2022 20:10 > À : Qin Wu ; Benoit Claise > ; Peng Liu ; > Zongpeng Du ; BOUCADAIR Mohamed > INNOV/NET > Cc : Liang Geng ;

[netmod] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ma-netmod-with-system-03.txt

2022-04-11 Thread maqiufang (A)
Hi, all V-03 is available now: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ma-netmod-with-system-03.txt. This version addresses comments raised by Balazs (thank you Balazs for your valuable comments). The main changes are following: • Define a RESTCONF capability URI for