Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

Hi Jurgen, We need this poll to set fundamental direction in the WG. Yes, there will still be discussion & debate around *either* option once we select one. But we need to agree on whether we're moving ahead by updating YANG 1.0/YANG 1.1 (without requiring any sort of new YANG version number)

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

Hi all, I'd encourage anyone to remind themselves of some of the details around this issue before answering the poll. Summary of options by the YANG Versioning weekly call group: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/MSjLKSy7PwjaDkJdnwKREY9KCbc/ IETF 117 NETMOD meeting recording (YANG

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

I think it has been mentioned, but maybe worth repeating: this poll is *NOT* about accepting the entire Module Versioning + YANG Semver content as it currently stands. We separated out the first of several key issues to try and make progress. This is just the basic fundamental decision of

Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T7 (Filename changes)

can see that 'primary identifier' isn't great. Maybe something more like "to uniquely identify the version of the module" or similar. Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:32 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia)

[netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T7 (Filename changes)

netmod On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:58 AM To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning Hello NETMOD WG, The YANG versioning authors and weekly call group members have been discussing the next steps for the versioning dra

Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T8 (recommended-min for imports)

to the description of module A to mention it needs at least 2013-07-15? Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:45 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Modu

[netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T8 (recommended-min for imports)

e to see this stay as part of Module Versioning but be renamed to recommended-min-date. Then in YANG Semver we should add recommended-min-semver-label. Jason From: netmod On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:58 AM To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Updated

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis: must + error-message for "config false"

er reason the server couldn't return that leaf, should it not return the entire list entry? > -Original Message- > From: Kent Watsen > Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 5:26 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; Jürgen > Schönwälder ; > mohamed.boucad

Re: [netmod] MUST offline-validation of alone be required? possible solution and further discussion

Hi all, I’m not super excited about the concept that clients should reverse-engineer proprietary server transformations and replicate those in the client. It may not be too difficult for the active/inactive node transformation, but configuration groups (apply groups) are not as straightforward

[netmod] Draft agenda for IETF118 NETMOD session posted

Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2023 12:52 PM To: netmod@ietf.org Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Call for IETF 118 NETMOD Slot Requests Hello NETMOD WG, The final agenda for IETF 118 has been posted https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/agenda The NETMOD session is scheduled

[netmod] YANG Ver call Nov 7th cancelled

Hi all, The weekly YANG Versioning call on Nov 7th is cancelled. See you on the NETMOD IETF118 session tomorrow. Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis: must + error-message for "config false"

+1 on what Jurgen and Rob are pointing out here. I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense to actually have a lot of "must" statements in state models. We could consider discouraging them? (but we need to continue *allowing* them). Jason > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

netmod-yang-module-versioning change. > > > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning is a great draft, but I think it > > should > move forward as an independent RFC, distinct from the MUST/SHOULD change. > > > > Rodney Cummings > > > > -Or

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

ortant part of the versioning work is to bring explicit visibility that an NBC change has occurred (provided by the publisher/author). It would be good to hear from others in the WG on this point. Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Friday, September 29, 20

[netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

Hello NETMOD WG, We've had a poll going for a few weeks to determine if we require YANG 1.2 for allowing ("SHOULD NOT") NBC changes (see "Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach"). As part of that, some discussion has happened on the list around potentially doing an errata for RFC7950/6020 or a

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

do with > > YANG extensions. However, once such extensions change the behaviour > > of YANG language constructs, we get into muddy waters. > > > > I prefer to clearly separate changes of the language from additional > > decorations that can be ignored and do not

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

Mandatory to be used by module authors. Tools can ignore them as you say. > -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 12:07 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) ; Kent Watsen > ; netmod@ietf.org > Subje

[netmod] Call for IETF 118 NETMOD Slot Requests

Hello NETMOD WG, The final agenda for IETF 118 has been posted https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/agenda The NETMOD session is scheduled to be held: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 13:00-15:00 Prague (Central European Time) Room: Congress Hall

[netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning

Hello NETMOD WG, The YANG versioning authors and weekly call group members have been discussing the next steps for the versioning drafts. We'd propose that the first step is to converge on what aspects of the current Module Versioning draft should be retained, and which parts should be

[netmod] YANG Versioning calls restarting Jan 10 (agenda = WG LC for first 2 drafts)

Hi all, The weekly YANG Versioning calls are starting up again tomorrow Jan 10th. Details below. Agenda for tomorrow: Wrap up last few items to get Module Versioning and YANG Semver ready for WG LC: * Identify last few PRs that need to be integrated * Finalize discussion around issue

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-01-10

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-01-10 We have reached rough consensus on Issue #182 / PR #189: - The top level NBC marker is a "MUST" if any rules are broken (even if a vendor knows the change is BC for their server) - Reshad will take a final look at text and close the

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2022-12-06

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2022-12-06 We reviewed all open github issues against Module Versioning and YANG Semver, and proposed updates are ready for pretty much all items. We are very close to being ready for WG LC. All: merge the final PRs, close the GitHub issues. Reshad/Jason:

[netmod] No YANG Versioning call on Dec 27th or Jan 3rd.

Hello NETMOD WG, The weekly YANG Versioning calls on Tuesday Dec 27th and Jan 3rd are cancelled. Jason (he/him) -- Versioning work on Github: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt -- Weekly webex call

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-05

Hi all, A follow up for the comments below about “10. Security Considerations”: We added some more detailed text in the security section of Module Versioning and it will be in the next published version that goes to LC. You can see the text here for now: updated security considerations by

[netmod] Draft minutes from IETF 115 NETMOD session

Hi all, The draft NETMOD minutes from IETF 115 are available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-115-netmod-202211080930/ Updates or corrections can still be made for a few weeks in the note tool here: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-115-netmod?edit The youtube video of the

[netmod] YANG Versioning agenda Jan 17: Schema Comparison draft

Hi all, In the weekly call tomorrow we're moving back to the Schema Comparison draft: yang-ver-dt/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver.txt at master * netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt (github.com) Rgds, Jason

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09

alázs Lengyel ; Jason > Sterne (Nokia) ; Benoit Claise > > Subject: IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09 > > [NOTE: A response is needed from all listed in this message's "To" line, the > authors and contributors listed in the draft] > > > Auth

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-01-17

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-01-17 Roles/Input Needed for next phase of work: - 1 primary editor for Schema Comparison - 1 primary editor for Packages - other ad hoc volunteers for Issues/PRs Jason: send email about roles to weekly call group - Per may be able to do a first pass of

Re: [netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tgraf-netconf-yang-notifications-versioning-03.txt

Hi Benoit, We talked about this briefly on the weekly call today. Our feeling is that it may be best to try and discuss this on the mailing list(s) for now rather than in the weekly calls. That way the entire WGs have the opportunity to be involved. The issues may have a scope that is larger

[netmod] Draft IETF116 NETMOD Agenda posted

Hello NETMOD WG, A draft NETMOD agenda for IETF116 has been published. Please review and let the chairs know if any changes are needed, or additional topics should be covered. The agenda is pasted below, but here's the link to the always-current version:

[netmod] J. Sterne comments on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-00

Hello authors and WG, Here are a few comments and questions on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-00. I've labelled them for easier reference/separation. The first few are general items. The rest are from specific sections of the doc. ## (J1) General We may need to have a more

[netmod] YANG Ver: Weekly call cancelled March 28

Hello WG, Our weekly YANG versioning call for next Tues March 28th is cancelled (IETF116 next week). Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-02-21

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-02-21 Status of the packages draft: - Two major open issues (both related to "optionality"): - schema mount - API vs Implementation - trying to close Schema Comparison currently, then we'll move back to Packages For IETF 116: - Aim to republish

[netmod] YANG Ver: Weekly call cancelled Feb 28

Hello WG, Our weekly YANG versioning call for next Tues Feb 28th is cancelled. Too many key regulars will be away. Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

[netmod] IETF 116 Slot Requests for NETMOD session

Hello NETMOD WG, The final agenda for IETF116 has been posted: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/agenda.html https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/agenda.txt We are currently scheduled to meet: Friday, March 31, 2023 9:30-11:30 (Tokyo time) Friday Session I G412-G413

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-08

Hi all, Resending the reply from Jan 16th. Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 5:55 PM > To: Lou Berger ; benoit.cla...@huawei.com; > lana.w...@huawei.com; e...@juniper.net; lind...@cisco.com; > j.shoenwael...@ja

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09

Hi all, Resending the reply from Jan 16th (and adding the chairs alias). Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 6:20 PM > To: Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org > Cc: Joe Clarke (jclarke) ; Rob Wilton (rwilton) > ; Reshad

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

In either case, when they happen, it is better to mark it in some standard way than do it silently IMO. From: Andy Bierman Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 12:04 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: Jürgen Schönwälder ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

age- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 2:46 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: Andy Bierman ; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when cli

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

That could be one approach, but note that the final step (your last sentence) would still be NBC. From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 9:36 AM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; Italo Busi ; Jeffrey Haas Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: RE: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

ginal Message- > From: Martin Björklund > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 2:08 AM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: jh...@pfrc.org; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very carefu

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

rey Haas mailto:jh...@pfrc.org>> Sent: venerdì 14 aprile 2023 14:49 To: Italo Busi mailto:italo.b...@huawei.com>> Cc: Jason Sterne (Nokia) mailto:jason.ste...@nokia.com>>; netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibi

[netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

Hi Jeff, One topic that came up during the IETF 116 NETMOD meeting was backwards compatibility. >From what I understand, a leaf (e.g. unknown-flags) that uses the unknown-bits >typedef would never change its definition in YANG. It would always be defined >as unknown-bits with all 64 bit

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

f Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 5:24 PM To: Jeffrey Haas ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility Hi Jeff, One topic that came up during the IETF 116 NETMOD meeting was backwards compatibility. >From what I understand, a leaf (e.g.

Re: [netmod] J. Sterne comments on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-00

Thanks Qiufang. Please see inline. I got down to J6 and will continue with feedback in a subsequent reply. Jason From: maqiufang (A) Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 11:53 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: RE: [netmod] J. Sterne comments on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-00

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09

Hello chairs and WG, (as an author) We've updated both drafts to refactor Acknowledgements vs Contributors: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning/09/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver/11/ The IPR call for Module Versioning is

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09

Thanks Bo. You didn't miss any email - we mistakenly didn't have you on the original IPR callout. Jason From: Wubo (lana) Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 9:24 PM To: netmod@ietf.org; Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; Kent Watsen ; Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) Subject: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-05-02

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-05-02 Agenda bashing: - Module Versioning and YANG Semver - re-issue, finish IPR, go to WG LC - What are our priorities (how to progress most urgent work)? Should we discuss Packages and algorithm #2 in parallel with algorithm #1? - Algorithm #2 (Jason)

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

> From: Martin Björklund > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 4:39 AM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: jh...@pfrc.org; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

IETF and vendor models are already doing NBC changes. The versioning work is mostly just adding a way to indicate that to users/clients when it happens. Jason > -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 2:12 AM > To: Andy Bierman > C

[netmod] Minutes from IETF 116 NETMOD session

Hi all, The NETMOD minutes from IETF 116 are available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-116-netmod-202303310030/ Updates or corrections can still be made for a few weeks. Please let netmod-cha...@ietf.org know if some edits should be made.

[netmod] Updated IETF116 NETMOD Agenda posted

Hello NETMOD WG, We have a number of additional topics on the IETF116 NETMOD agenda. You can find the latest here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/materials/agenda-116-netmod Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] ICS file for the weekly versioning meeting

Hi all, I checked where the call is booked in Webex (booked by the chairs/secretary) and the "anchor" seems to be 9am Eastern Time. That means always 9am Eastern Time (whether eastern time is currently in daylight savings or not). Jason > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf

[netmod] YANG model for BGP extended communities

em for this particular extended community typedef but I’m not sure (implementors could make a mistake with it). Jason From: Jeffrey Haas Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 4:44 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: Unknown bits - backwards compatibility I wish to point

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

Hi Jeff, Please see inline. Jason From: Jeffrey Haas Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 4:03 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: Unknown bits - backwards compatibility CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

in version 2.0.0). Jason From: Jeffrey Haas Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 5:18 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: Unknown bits - backwards compatibility CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

sday, April 13, 2023 4:44 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: Unknown bits - backwards compatibility CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL nok.it/ext for additional information. Jason, On Ap

Re: [netmod] Modeling unknown bits in YANG (draft-haas-netmod-unknown-bits-00)

Hi Jeff and WG, One potential consideration that came to my mind is about the choice of using 'bits' at all (vs a set of Boolean leafs), and it is related to on-change telemetry. With a leaf of type 'bits' that has on-change telemetry support, an update will return the entire bitfield. That

[netmod] YANG Versioning: weekly meeting cancelled Tues May 9th

Hi all, The weekly YANG Versioning call is cancelled on Tues May 9th. We'll resume again on May 16th. -- Versioning work on Github: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt -- Weekly webex call details:

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issue #1 - Allow NBC changes in YANG 1.0 & YANG 1.1 or not?

Jürgen Schönwälder > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:50 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issue #1 - Allow NBC changes in > YANG 1.0 & YANG 1.1 or not? > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please b

[netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issue #1 - Allow NBC changes in YANG 1.0 & YANG 1.1 or not?

Hi all, At the request of the NETMOD chairs, and on behalf of the YANG Versioning weekly call group, here's a summary of Key Issue #1 for the versioning work (i.e. for the Module Versioning and YANG Semver WGLC). We'd like to suggest that the WG has a strong focus on deciding on this specific

[netmod] YANG Versioning: weekly call Tues July 25 cancelled

Hi all, The weekly YANG Versioning call is cancelled on Tues July 25th. Have fun at IETF117! Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

[netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issues #2 and #3 - revision labels

Hi all, The weekly call group thought it would be good to provide an advance look at Key Issues #2 and #3 before the IETF117 NETMOD meeting. For now on the list let's continue the focus on K1 but we'll start in on K2 & K3 (if there is time) at IETF117. Key Issue #2: Single v/s multiple

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issue #1 - Allow NBC changes in YANG 1.0 & YANG 1.1 or not?

)? It isn’t just an IETF issue. These same exceptions occur in vendor models, 3GPP, etc. There are times when making the NBC change is the reasonable way to go. Jason From: Andy Bierman Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 1:13 PM To: Martin Björklund Cc: Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re

[netmod] YANG filenames in module versioning

(changing subject for a dedicated thread on the filename) What the draft was mainly trying to achieve (IMO) wrt filename was to have a standard format/separator (#) when using a revision-label. i.e. *if* anyone is to use a revision-label, then it should be done with #.yang. (and some users

Re: [netmod] June 5 Virtual Interim: YANG Modelling in IETF WGs – Sharing Lessons Learned

Just a reminder of this virtual interim on Monday. It would be good to have some attendance from the WG if you can make it. Jason > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 2:11 PM > To: netmod@ietf.org > Subject:

[netmod] YANG Versioning: weekly call Tues August 15 cancelled

Hi all, The weekly YANG Versioning call is cancelled on Tues August 15th. Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility

, June 28, 2023 4:25 PM To: Jeffrey Haas Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; Italo Busi ; Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Unknown bits - backwards compatibility CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL

Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts

Hi all, I don’t think requiring a new YANG 1.2 (or 2.0) is a practical way to introduce this much-needed enhancement to YANG (indicating NBC changes and clearly alerting users of YANG modules to the fact that there is an NBC change). NBC changes are happening (IETF, vendors, other standard

Re: [netmod] Module updates in imported modules

Hi Andy, From my read of 7950, adding a mandatory leaf to a grouping isn’t allowed. Section 11 lists every case of allowable changes. Can you point out what statement(s) you feel allow it? If there is some ambiguity about that in RFC7950 personally I think any clarification would be to make

Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts

From: Andy Bierman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 12:45 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: Martin Björklund ; rwilton=40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts CAUTION: This is an external email. Please

Re: [netmod] Comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-09

Hi Andy, YANG modules are occasionally doing NBC changes today (in the IETF, in other standard bodies and in vendor modules). If an old tool/client doesn’t recognize the new rev:non-backwards-compatible extension it isn’t any worse off than today. But this extension allows YANG 1.1 modules to

Re: [netmod] Clarify the meaning of property in RFC7950

Hi Frank, The table just after the text has this: +--+--+-+ | substatement | section | cardinality | +--+--+-+ | config | 7.21.1 | 0..1| |

Re: [netmod] Virtual Interim: YANG Modelling in IETF WGs - Sharing Lessons Learned

nsultation. Consider further tools and approaches to benefit the entire community. Jason (he/him) as NETMOD Secretary (and from the NETMOD Chairs) > -Original Message- > From: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 12:15 PM > To: netmod@ietf.org > Cc: netmod-

[netmod] Virtual Interim : YANG Modelling in IETF WGs - Sharing Lessons Learned

Hello NETMOD WG, [** sorry for repeating this yet again - apparently the same thing happened the 2nd time I sent this and the message is getting truncated, but not in the archives. Trying again after copy & pasting into a text editor and double checking for any special chars. ***] At the

[netmod] Virtual Interim: YANG Modelling in IETF WGs - Sharing Lessons Learned

Hello NETMOD WG, At the IETF116 NETMOD meeting Jeff Haas and Mahesh Jethanandani gave a nice presentation about some lessons learned during the BGP YANG modelling work. There was strong feedback during the session that a dedicated Virtual Interim meeting would be valuable to have more time for

[netmod] June 5 Virtual Interim: YANG Modelling in IETF WGs – Sharing Lessons Learned

Hello WG, Changing the subject to match the title of the virtual interim. See details below. ICS: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2023-netmod-01/sessions/netmod.ics Jason > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of IESG Secretary > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 12:22

[netmod] Draft minutes for Feb 6th Virtual Interim on immutable flag

Hi all, The draft minutes for the Feb 6th virtual interim on the immutable flag have been uploaded: minutes-interim-2024-netmod-02-202402061400-00.md (ietf.org) Also copied

[netmod] Call for IETF 119 NETMOD Slot Requests

Hello NETMOD WG, The preliminary agenda for IETF 119 has been posted: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/agenda/ The NETMOD session is scheduled to be held: Thursday, March 21, 2024 13:00-15:00 Brisbane (Australia - Eastern Time) 03:00-05:00 UTC 23:00-01:00 Wednesday March 20, America -

[netmod] Agenda posted for Jan 23 Interim on system-config-04

2023 1:50 PM > To: netmod@ietf.org > Cc: Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; Per Andersson (perander) > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Proposed date for Interim on system-config-04 > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking > links or > opening

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

Hi guys, The second case is NBC. I remember wondering the same thing myself but the type in OLD is foo which the type in NEW is union. That is NBC (and in some encodings outside of XML, sending that leaf with type foo vs type union, member foo would be different). OLD type foo; NEW type

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

: Thursday, January 18, 2024 3:19 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; Reshad Rahman ; Jan Lindblad Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: RE: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change? Hi Reshad, Jason, Jan, Thanks for your replies I have found these pieces of text in sections 9.12 and 11 which might

[netmod] RFC8526 (NETCONF NMDA) max-depth of 1

Hi all, RFC8526 NETCONF NMDA extensions includes a max-depth parameter described as follows: description "For each node selected by the filters, this parameter selects how many conceptual subtree levels should be returned in the reply. If the

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

/different type (that wasn’t part of the union previously) suddenly introduces the possibility of a new type for that leaf. So it kinda falls under “don’t change the base type(s)”. From: Reshad Rahman Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 10:59 AM To: Jan Lindblad ; Italo Busi ; Jason Sterne (Nokia

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-12-19

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-12-19 [Reminder: no weekly call on Dec 26 or Jan 2. Next call is Jan 9.] Today we discussed the YANG Semver draft and what updates are needed to republish what we hope is the version for a final last call. We walked through T1-T10 and how they affect

[netmod] YANG Ver weekly call cancelled Dec 26 and Jan 2

Hi all, A lot of the regulars are away for a few of our meeting slots so the YANG Versioning weekly meeting is cancelled on the following dates: * Tues Dec 26, 2023 * Tues Jan 2, 2024 Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] Proposed date for Interim on system-config-04

Hi all, After a quick poll of some weekly YANG versioning call members we think it would be fine to leave that Jan 23rd slot to the system config interim. We can skip our YANG Ver meeting that week. Jason > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Per Andersson > (perander) >

[netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-12-05

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2023-12-05 We confirmed that it is "good enough" that recommended-min does a simple comparison to determine if the recommendation is satisfied. date >= recommended-min-date semver number >= recommended-min-semver number

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

. Jason From: Andy Bierman Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 4:43 PM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: Italo Busi ; Reshad Rahman ; Jan Lindblad ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change? CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when

Re: [netmod] RFC8526 (NETCONF NMDA) max-depth of 1

Sorry all - posted this to the wrong list. Will post in NETCONF. From: netmod On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 2:20 PM To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] RFC8526 (NETCONF NMDA) max-depth of 1 Some people who received this message don't often get email from

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

A previous post about one of these cases is here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/yQSrlqFnrMEibLwuzMkyWt63kXQ/ From: netmod On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 9:16 AM To: Andy Bierman Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Italo Busi Subject: Re: [netmod] Is changing

Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change?

Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 11:25 AM To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) Cc: Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; netmod@ietf.org; Italo Busi Subject: Re: [netmod] Is changing the type with union a BC change? CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the

[netmod] No YANG Versioning call Jan 23

Hi all, There is no YANG Versioning weekly call on January 23rd. I'd encourage everyone to try and attend the Virtual Interim for system config instead. Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

Hi WG, (and in particular to those who attended the interim). The summary below mostly matches my memory of the discussions, but I don't really remember us concluding on this: The WG agreed to let 7950-bis "update" 8342 (NMDA) with the clarification the alone does not have to be

[netmod] No YANG Versioning call Feb 6

Hi all, There is no YANG Versioning weekly call on Tuesday February 6th. I'd encourage everyone to attend the Virtual Interim for the immutable-flag instead. Jason (he/him) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T7 (Filename changes)

me to speak up. Otherwise we’ll remove it from the next iteration of Module Versioning. Jason From: Andy Bierman Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 4:28 PM To: Jürgen Schönwälder ; Jason Sterne (Nokia) ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T7 (Filen

Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T8 (recommended-min for imports)

ent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 4:23 AM > To: Andy Bierman > Cc: Joe Clarke (jclarke) ; Jason Sterne > (Nokia) ; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T8 > (recommended-min for imports) > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be ve

[netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T10 Whitespace

basically a simple diff or text file checksum can't be used to determine if a yang file "is the same revision". Jason From: netmod netmod-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:58 AM To: netmod@ietf.org<mai

[netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T9 Instance Data

From: netmod netmod-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jason Sterne (Nokia) Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:58 AM To: netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org> Subject: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning Hello NETMOD WG, The YANG versioning author

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

ed information rate of 0 (i.e. queue 1 is the "best effort" queue). Jason > -Original Message- > From: Michael Richardson > Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 5:21 PM > To: Jason Sterne (Nokia) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption call for dr

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