Re: made for TV, made for social media (hall of shame)

Lisa, On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, McLaughlin, Lisa wrote: That would be Aaron Mostofsky, son of Brooklyn Supreme Court judge Shlomo Mostofsky. He stole Pelosi's lectern (if you've seen that pic) while looting. His family claims that he did "nothing illegal." I surmise that he had more involvement

Re: made for TV, made for social media

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:20 PM Kurtz, Steven wrote: > While we saw a lot of Trumpists having the best day of their life bathing > in the pleasure of transgression, there were others hiding in that mob who > knew what they were doing They understand distributed leadership and > have for

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1776. >> >> Tara >> >> (Sent by pneumatic tube.) >> -- >> *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org >> on behalf of Geert Lovink >> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 8:13:54 AM >> *To:* a moderated mailing list for net c

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, January 8, 2021 11:13 AM To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism Subject: Re: made for TV, made for social media Good question, Keith. Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they were all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best selfie

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itle “patriot” and invoked 1776. Tara (Sent by pneumatic tube.) *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org on behalf of Geert Lovink *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 8:13:54 AM *To:* a moderated mailing list for net criticism *Subjec

Re: made for TV, made for social media

Felix Stalder presented a well-crafted, cogent view as have others in this soliloquy. A broadening of geography as well as cosmology would consider that most of the Earth's surface is not inhabited by most densely packed, infectuous, disputatious humans. The age of European, preceded by

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On 08.01.21 20:46, Dan S Wang wrote: > Donald Trump is addicted to Twitter, pure and simple. He doesn't want to > govern, he wants to tweet. He hates government meetings, legislative > processes, presidential ceremonies--but loves having his rapid-fire tweet > storms. More than any aspiring

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On 09/01/2021 04:52, v...@voyd.com wrote: >   > Yes, there were people like the guy in the fur hat who apparently is the > son of a judge, but I'm following up on that claim. This guy? https://gen.medium.com/the-q-shaman-conspirituality-goes-rioting-on-capitol-hill-24bac5fc50e6 # distributed

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the title “patriot” and invoked 1776.   Tara   (Sent by pneumatic tube.) From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org on behalf of Geert Lovink Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:13:54 AM To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism Subject: Re: made for TV, made for social media   Goo

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Made by TV, made by social media. Trump, that is Trump wanted to overthrow the election and his hardcore followers believed that he would provide them direction, but in the end he proved that he is unable to really lead when it counts. He is not a general, nor a strategist, nor a coach, nor

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to add to Ryan's earlier most and the important emphasis he makes: PlacingJan 06 in historical context: the rampage on the Capital is an act of white rage that is firmly embedded in American history: from lynchings to the murderous pogroms in East St. Louis, Chicago, Tulsa,

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uot;Made for TV, Made for Social Media." Fortuitously, coders might fancy, SM has become more influential than TV, even here, an early SM adventure now cyber-long-toothed, not many have been on TV compared to the most who chirp up without paid subscription or publicity for new book. Is

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st for net criticism Subject: Re: made for TV, made for social media Well said Geert! I have heard Trump's method compared to "customer servicing," by a film or TV critic in the NY Times or Washington post, theatrics to perpetuate his brand, sales, and followers: in a word, a

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>>> class lines. It also fuels the way the mob claimed the title “patriot” and >>> invoked 1776. >>> >>> Tara >>> >>> (Sent by pneumatic tube.) >>> -- >>> *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org >&g

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>>> class lines. It also fuels the way the mob claimed the title “patriot” and >>> invoked 1776. >>> >>> Tara >>> >>> (Sent by pneumatic tube.) >>> -- >>> *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org >&g

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(Sent by pneumatic tube.) From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org on behalf of Ryan Griffis Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:31:48 AM To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org Subject: Re: made for TV, made for social media Hi all, In all the conversations about

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tor here in a way that crosses >> class lines. It also fuels the way the mob claimed the title “patriot” and >> invoked 1776. >> >> Tara >> >> (Sent by pneumatic tube.) >> ------ >> *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org >> on behalf of Geert

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hey, only an analytical 'footnote', or pointer – but I was looking at the interesting article Flick referenced. and just had to think of David Graeber´s analytical digestion attempt, trying to grapple with the Tory win in UK. ... and there is probably no need in stressing the

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> <mailto:nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org> <mailto:nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org>> on behalf of Geert Lovink > mailto:ge...@xs4all.nl>> > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:13:54 AM > To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism <mailto:nettime-l@mail.kein

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Hi all, In all the conversations about this insurrection/mob/coup attempt or whatever you want to call it (including whether it should be property understood as a directionless, disorganized act of white rage, or as an early warning/test of a more organized fascist coup), I just think it’s

Re: made for TV, made for social media

; *To:* a moderated mailing list for net criticism > *Subject:* Re: made for TV, made for social media > > Good question, Keith. > > Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they > were all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best >

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.) From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org on behalf of Geert Lovink Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:13:54 AM To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism Subject: Re: made for TV, made for social media Good question, Keith. Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob

Re: made for TV, made for social media

On 08/01/2021 16:13, Geert Lovink wrote: > Good question, Keith. > > Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they were > all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best selfie > opportunity. > > Once we enter the heart of the power, and roam

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Dear all, the Yugo-mentions are spot-on but let me note that, like so many times before, Trump's tactics are straight out of Berlusconi's playbook -- on amphetamine, of course. Berlusconi never accepted the results of the Italian 2006 elections, his second major defeat. Like in the US, the

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Good question, Keith. Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they were all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best selfie opportunity. Once we enter the heart of the power, and roam around there, we do not face power as such. No need to

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Put another way, was it the burning of the Reichstag or the storming of the Winter Palace? or neither? > On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:47 AM, mp wrote: > >  > >> On 08/01/2021 04:07, Keith Sanborn wrote: >> Dear John, >> >> There is a difference between a fascist coup attempt lead from above and >>

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Le 07/01/2021 à 19:25, Brian Holmes a écrit : In my view, far from being a harbinger of possibly worse threats to come, yesterday's events were the most positive thing that could have happened. Hello Even if I appreciate Biden election, and relative happy conclusion of Capitol's coup, I

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On 08/01/2021 04:07, Keith Sanborn wrote: > Dear John, > > There is a difference between a fascist coup attempt lead from above and > a mass insurrection. ... when you put it like that, it sounds like there is a difference. Does that mean that poor, white Americans have no sense of the

Re: made for TV, made for social media

On 07-Jan-2021, at 11:55 PM, Brian Holmes wrote: > > In my view, far from being a harbinger of possibly worse threats to come, > yesterday's events were the most positive thing that could have happened. I > had hoped - dreamed - that we would see something exactly like this. > My sense is

Re: made for TV, made for social media

To all, Thank you to everyone on this thread for airing their views! I live the image of death flowers, and the wit and optimism; the critical flow. So essential to our mental health. Here is Mike Davis in New Left Review—

Re: made for TV, made for social media

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:27 PM Vesna Manojlovic wrote: > As someone from an (ex) country who went through "this", let me tell you: > it can be both/and. > > Vesna, I am glad you wrote. Throughout these years I have thought of other peoples' experiences in the former Yugoslavia, in Hungary, in

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Dear John, There is a difference between a fascist coup attempt lead from above and a mass insurrection. Keith > On Jan 7, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Molly Hankwitz wrote: > >  > LOL John Young...Congressional rituals appeared overly dainty and passe, it > is true... > > To Felix... > > is

Re: made for TV, made for social media

LOL John Young...Congressional rituals appeared overly dainty and passe, it is true... To Felix... Yes, very true...a resurgence of the coastal elitism which Trump railed on on behalf of his base. Attempt to bring about "certainty"? Let's hope Biden's presidency will not simply slip

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The point we can all agree on is that it is too early to tell. I think there are two main open developments, in terms of immediate political dynamics. that will decide the direction this takes. The first is whether the republican party will fracture, because, clearly, not everyone is having a

Re: made for TV, made for social media

Yesterday was thrilling for its replication of 1968 in challenging status quo across many stolidities of thought, behavior, belief, acceptance, complaint, compliance, modest defiance, embrace of bipartisanship, hypnotic left-right cum socialist-capitalist ifatuous deology, intellectual vacuity

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The more I watch about this event, the less it looks haphazard and disorganized. Sure, there’s a certain goofiness to a guy with a viking helmet sitting in the speaker’s chair… and there didn’t seem to be a clear physical plan once the mob got inside. But those are minor details. The Fascist

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> On Jan 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Molly Hankwitz wrote: > > And, once Trump is out, many of the worst will crawl back into their lairs > and breed little swastikas. (I looked but did not see any swastikas in the > crowd). A "Camp Auschwitz" T-shirt with (an English translation of) "Arbeit Macht

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Brian, all, On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, Brian Holmes wrote: In my view, far from being a harbinger of possibly worse threats to come, yesterday's events were the most positive thing that could have happened. As someone from an (ex) country who went through "this", let me tell you: it can be

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Dear Felix, Brian, Seb, et al, I would not say that it was a great thing that happened, but it certainly was an 'ok' thing to have happened, especially if you believe in representational democracy. Conditions that prompted Trump to take advantage of his "base" back in 2016 -- poverty, lack of

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I think (and hope) you are right, Brian. In response to this comment: "The TV cameras, few as there were, were literally outside, observing, clutching their pearls, while a thousands social media cameras were inside, doing, celebrating." Worth noting that the rioters targeted the media during

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Brian at his best, thank you so much for this! Best, Seb > On 7 Jan 2021, at 19:25, Brian Holmes wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:32 AM Felix Stalder > wrote: > I followed, like many others I presume, yesterday's events in Washington > on TV (cnn) and on social

Re: made for TV, made for social media

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:32 AM Felix Stalder wrote: > I followed, like many others I presume, yesterday's events in Washington > on TV (cnn) and on social media at the same time. And it seems pretty > clear that this event was made on, through and for social media [...lots of other very

made for TV, made for social media

I followed, like many others I presume, yesterday's events in Washington on TV (cnn) and on social media at the same time. And it seems pretty clear that this event was made on, through and for social media. The TV cameras, few as there were, were literally outside, observing, clutching their