Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin Green
I've got a bodywork question maybe you guys can help out with too. I bought some Purple Power De-Ruster (phosphoric acid) at Advance Auto Parts, and it did a great job at converting some pretty nasty rust back into fairly shiny looking steel on my chrome header pipes. However, it was $8 per

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-14 Thread Robert Kariniemi
Yes to make sure they are not torn. On Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: Got a key made finally this weekend. Ended up at a locksmith who was able to make the key from the code. Pulled the carb rack out of the PineSol finally last night. It took a

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin Green
It's odd that in the Clymer's manual it doesn't mention them, and I can do one without taking the carbs off the rack, but I don't know about the other. I'll try to pull them tonight. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Robert Kariniemi robert.karini...@gmail.com wrote: Yes to make sure they are

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin Green
Ok, I don't know where to find a replacement for the fuel passage plugs that were covering the idle jets. It sounds like these plugs are important, and they were both in terrible shape when I took them out to clean things up. They came out with about the same consistency as marshmallows, and one

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-13 Thread Kevin Green
Got a key made finally this weekend. Ended up at a locksmith who was able to make the key from the code. Pulled the carb rack out of the PineSol finally last night. It took a little spraying with carb cleaner and blasting air through the passages, but I'm satisfied it'll flow enough fuel now.

Re: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-08 Thread Kevin Green
There was a little bit of sludge on top of the seals. All dried out though. There was no pressure in the forks when I opened them up either. I think that if they will hold pressure I'll deal with them as is for the moment and replace when I get my tax return in. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:07 AM,

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-08 Thread Anthony
Try a Honda dealer. I got a key cut for $10 from the code off the cylinder. On Feb 7, 11:03 pm, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: Pat, I pulled the ignition this weekend and checked with keysbycode.com who told me the code on my ignition (also on the inside of the gas cap)

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-08 Thread Kevin Green
Hi Anthony, I called a dealer a couple weeks ago and they referred me to a locksmith. I'll try another dealer though. I would like to think a dealer could lookup the code and cut it for me, but the 82 seems to be a bit of an in-between year where I've had a number of things be slightly different

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Kurt Nolte
I have my rack of 650 carbs soaking in a 1:1.5 pine sol: water bath, since Sunday. The liquid looks really dirty at this point. I'll take that as the solution is working! Kurt On Feb 6, 2012 9:48 AM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: The strategy that worked out for me was

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Allen Thomas
Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s) I have my rack of 650 carbs soaking in a 1:1.5 pine sol: water bath, since Sunday. The liquid looks really dirty at this point. I'll take that as the solution is working! Kurt On Feb 6, 2012 9:48 AM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Kevin Green
Mine went in to soak Saturday night, and even though I still can't get the slides out, I did get the float needles out, so I take that as a sign it's working and will continue to let it work. I went with the Publix generic version because it had more pine oil, but I wonder if it's not the

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Kurt Nolte
I would imagine it is a combination of both. I also wonder if perhaps a cleaner with limonene would work better, ie an orange cleaner. Kurt On Feb 7, 2012 9:11 AM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: Mine went in to soak Saturday night, and even though I still can't get the

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Kevin Green
Slide came out of the carb tonight. [image: applause.gif] Still took some careful gentle prying to get it to break loose, but much less effort than I was trying initially with no success. Passages are looking pretty clear but I'll give it another day before I start drying it out. Next thing I

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Allen Thomas
IMHO, those tubes are shot. They have to be perfect, in order for the seals to not leak. Not to disuade you from trying to clean them up, but I don't think those are salvageable. Others here are more knowledgeable than I am so, I'm hoping they chime in too. Usually fork tubes can be had on ebay

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Allen Thomas
Here is a complete set $150 buy now price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/82-Honda-CB450SC-Nighthawk-forks-fork-set-and-triple-tree-Straight-good-seals-/230665206369?hash=item35b4b7ba61item=230665206369pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Allen Thomas

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread Javier Garcia
With respect to the rusty forks, I think what really matters is if there is rust in the part of the tube that travels inside the fork. I cannot tell from the picture if there is actually rust in that part. If they are clean enough there, then no damage will be done to the seals. Can you feel if

Re: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-07 Thread pa_sk8r
Those forks look pretty bad. You could pop-off the rubber dust cover's to see if there's any sludge (dirt/oil) at the seals. There isn't much travel. I had forks so pitted that changing the seals didn't help. Some Kid admired the low drag bike look. B-550 On 02/07/12, Javier Garcia

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-06 Thread Kevin Green
The strategy that worked out for me was using an impact driver, which finished removing the slots in the head, but also managed to create just a little wiggle, which allowed me to use vice grips to finish backing out the screw. I'm sure the PB Blaster I let soak into it contributed too. I think

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-05 Thread tinkrm...@yahoo.com
Motorcycle Lovers! nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 14:37:40 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s) Old-timers tip: A dab of valve grinding paste in the slots of phillips head screws will give your screwdriver more traction with less chance

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Jeff Dennis
What if you put it in some hot water to get the aluminum To expand? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so 2 specific technical questions I ran into taking the first carb apart tonight. I'm trying out the embedded

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Allen Thomas
- From: Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 01:24:50 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s) Ok, so 2 specific

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Kevin Green
Thanks for the assurances that soaking should help. I'm wishing I had picked up an impact driver as recommended, but I don't know if it would have helped me anyways. I was trying to loosen the last screw holding on the top cover and thought it had come loose but it looks like I stripped it

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Graham Rogers
Kevin, spray PB Blaster on the screw and after a some time try vice grips or some sort of pliers with good teeth. You just need to break it loose On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Kevin Green wrote: Thanks for the assurances that soaking should help. I'm wishing I had picked up an impact

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread James O'Gorman
I've got a handheld impact driver kit similar to this: http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-29200.aspx?utm_source=googlebaseutm_medium=cseutm_term=LIS29200utm_campaign=googlebase_18ugclid=CMnd-OP5hK4CFRN3hwodVGe8Yw that I used successfully to back out the bolts on my carbs without damaging any of

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread James O'Gorman
- aka use /both/ an impact driver and a screw extractor. I never had hope in the extractors because they never worked for me until I put them at the end of the impact driver. On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Green wrote: Thanks for the assurances that soaking should help. I'm wishing I

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Graham Rogers
good idea, Graham On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:40 PM, James O'Gorman wrote: - aka use /both/ an impact driver and a screw extractor. I never had hope in the extractors because they never worked for me until I put them at the end of the impact driver. On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Green

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Sean Snell
Yeah, I ran into old rusted screws when I was sprucing up the carbs on my 82 650. Its worth the minimal investment to go to a hardware store with a couple of the old screws and replace them all with fresh ones, even if they're not that bad. I too used an EZ out bit with great success after

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Jeff Dennis
You might be able to use a pair of needle nose pliers and pull as you turn. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Kevin Green kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the assurances that soaking should help. I'm wishing I had picked up an impact driver as recommended,

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-04 Thread Allen Thomas
: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s) Yeah, I ran into old rusted screws when I was sprucing up the carbs on my 82 650. Its worth the minimal investment to go to a hardware store with a couple of the old screws and replace them all with fresh ones, even if they're not that bad. I too

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread surfswab
+1 on the Pine Sol soak. Ratio is 2 parts Pine Sol to 1 part water in a container large enuf to submerge a rack of carbs. No need to boil. May require soaking for 2 or 3 days depending on condition of the carbs. Advantages of the method -- it also cleans the outside surfaces (and the linkages,

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread Kevin Green
I found a thread on advrider: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560117 Looks like a great option. I'll see if I can't get the carbs opened up and soaking soon. Currently finishing up closing up the motor so I can get oil back in it. The head is back on but I need to get the right

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread Kevin Green
Ok, so 2 specific technical questions I ran into taking the first carb apart tonight. I'm trying out the embedded photos so let me know if they don't show up. 1) The float needle didn't come out with the float the way the manual said it would. In fact the gasket that seems to hold it in is very

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread Kurt Nolte
Your float needle is probably gummed in there; it's been sitting with the same gas for two decades, right? Definitely some deposits. Your slide piston is probably the same way, just soft seized from sitting too long. You can give them an overnight soak and see if that helps your problems any. I

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread Kevin Green
Thanks. I'll try the Pine Sol soak for a while then before I get any more physical with them. The deposits that I can see are terrible, so I can imagine there are others I can't see that are just as bad if not worse. Apparently gas really doesn't do well when left for 25+ years. -- You

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: '82 CB450SC project question(s)

2012-02-03 Thread surfswab
You're right, gas doesn't do well over time and the more time the worse. Keep soaking and don't get impatient. Unlike the more severe dips that rely on some nasty solvents, this stuff is cheaper and more benign and just takes awhile longer. But it will do the job just as well eventually. The