Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

That is what I need, but there's a lady In town that runs a bike graveyard
that I've been in touch with and can get one off of her this week!

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 2:22 PM Tommy Hill  wrote:

> So what do you need?  An extra CDI box to test it?  Pretty sure I have one
> you could try.  If it works, pay me a reasonable amount for it.  If not,
> send it back.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[Tommy Hill]

So what do you need?  An extra CDI box to test it?  Pretty sure I have one you 
could try.  If it works, pay me a reasonable amount for it.  If not, send it 
back.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

Am unable to switch em because it's one cdi box with two entry points both
with for prongs but one housing has room for six I tried jamming the one
with four into the one with six and got nothing.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 4:29 AM EGrider  wrote:

> The next thing you have to do is swap the two CDI boxes and see if this
> flips the problem to the opposite cylinders. I've never owned a 550
> Nighthawk but I had several 1984 V30 Magnas, and I had to get new CDI boxes
> for one of them. These play the role of the distributors of old. They are
> probably under the seat somewhere. If swapping them doesn't reverse the
> problem, then about the only thing left is the pick ups on the fly wheel.
> That's where the spark originates. You could try swapping them, but do the
> CDI's first. That's a much simpler job.
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[EGrider]

The next thing you have to do is swap the two CDI boxes and see if this 
flips the problem to the opposite cylinders. I've never owned a 550 
Nighthawk but I had several 1984 V30 Magnas, and I had to get new CDI boxes 
for one of them. These play the role of the distributors of old. They are 
probably under the seat somewhere. If swapping them doesn't reverse the 
problem, then about the only thing left is the pick ups on the fly wheel. 
That's where the spark originates. You could try swapping them, but do the 
CDI's first. That's a much simpler job. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

I replaced them all just as you showed In your write up, then I switched
the coils and was still getting spark to one and four so the coils are
good. Still no spark to two and three. Was posting on this other forum and
found out that it wasn't for the nighthawk it was just for the cb650. Ran
it back to the ci ignition box. Opened it up circuits looked messed up a
bit so resoldered all the broken ones and still nothing.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 7:39 AM Kyle Munz  wrote:

> I'm not sure what wires you used, but I did a write-up when I made mine a
> couple years ago: http://nighthawk.kylemunz.com/?p=633
> That said, you can swap the wire from a working plug temporarily to see if
> that's the issue before buying/making new ones.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM, logan vandam 
> wrote:
>
>> Pulled em, switched em, and still no spark. Spark in one and four still.
>> So imma guess it's the wrong wires. So confused maybe I read it on a
>> different forum about a different bike.
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2018 1:21 PM, "logan vandam"  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much, I'll give that a try tonight and report back.
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2018 1:14 PM, "Kyle Munz"  wrote:
>>
>>> EGrider is right, parts lookup is the way to go to see what's
>>> interchangeable. But I can tell you from personal experience that the coils
>>> for the 83-85 CB650 and 84-86 CB700 are interchangeable left and right and
>>> between bikes. You do have to remove them from their cradle though.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM, EGrider  wrote:
>>>
 When I have that kind of question I usually go to Partzilla, Bike
 Bandit, or any supplier that has schematic drawings and look to see if the
 left and right have the same part number. If they do, you know know they
 are interchangeable.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[Kyle Munz]

I'm not sure what wires you used, but I did a write-up when I made mine a
couple years ago: http://nighthawk.kylemunz.com/?p=633
That said, you can swap the wire from a working plug temporarily to see if
that's the issue before buying/making new ones.


-Kyle

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM, logan vandam 
wrote:

> Pulled em, switched em, and still no spark. Spark in one and four still.
> So imma guess it's the wrong wires. So confused maybe I read it on a
> different forum about a different bike.
>
> On Mar 20, 2018 1:21 PM, "logan vandam"  wrote:
>
> Thanks so much, I'll give that a try tonight and report back.
>
> On Mar 20, 2018 1:14 PM, "Kyle Munz"  wrote:
>
>> EGrider is right, parts lookup is the way to go to see what's
>> interchangeable. But I can tell you from personal experience that the coils
>> for the 83-85 CB650 and 84-86 CB700 are interchangeable left and right and
>> between bikes. You do have to remove them from their cradle though.
>>
>>
>> -Kyle
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM, EGrider  wrote:
>>
>>> When I have that kind of question I usually go to Partzilla, Bike
>>> Bandit, or any supplier that has schematic drawings and look to see if the
>>> left and right have the same part number. If they do, you know know they
>>> are interchangeable.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

Pulled em, switched em, and still no spark. Spark in one and four still. So
imma guess it's the wrong wires. So confused maybe I read it on a different
forum about a different bike.

On Mar 20, 2018 1:21 PM, "logan vandam"  wrote:

Thanks so much, I'll give that a try tonight and report back.

On Mar 20, 2018 1:14 PM, "Kyle Munz"  wrote:

> EGrider is right, parts lookup is the way to go to see what's
> interchangeable. But I can tell you from personal experience that the coils
> for the 83-85 CB650 and 84-86 CB700 are interchangeable left and right and
> between bikes. You do have to remove them from their cradle though.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM, EGrider  wrote:
>
>> When I have that kind of question I usually go to Partzilla, Bike Bandit,
>> or any supplier that has schematic drawings and look to see if the left and
>> right have the same part number. If they do, you know know they are
>> interchangeable.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

Thanks so much, I'll give that a try tonight and report back.

On Mar 20, 2018 1:14 PM, "Kyle Munz"  wrote:

> EGrider is right, parts lookup is the way to go to see what's
> interchangeable. But I can tell you from personal experience that the coils
> for the 83-85 CB650 and 84-86 CB700 are interchangeable left and right and
> between bikes. You do have to remove them from their cradle though.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM, EGrider  wrote:
>
>> When I have that kind of question I usually go to Partzilla, Bike Bandit,
>> or any supplier that has schematic drawings and look to see if the left and
>> right have the same part number. If they do, you know know they are
>> interchangeable.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[Kyle Munz]

EGrider is right, parts lookup is the way to go to see what's
interchangeable. But I can tell you from personal experience that the coils
for the 83-85 CB650 and 84-86 CB700 are interchangeable left and right and
between bikes. You do have to remove them from their cradle though.


-Kyle

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[EGrider]

When I have that kind of question I usually go to Partzilla, Bike Bandit, 
or any supplier that has schematic drawings and look to see if the left and 
right have the same part number. If they do, you know know they are 
interchangeable.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[logan vandam]

I tested from the coil, then through the cable off the coil, then from the
cap connected too the cable, and all seems to be getting voltage but I
don't really know how to use a multi meter very well. Are the coils able to
be switched around? If so I'll try just switching em and see.
Thanks

On Mar 20, 2018 5:35 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:

>
> You say you're getting voltage, but you don't say where you tested. If you
> tested before the coil, swap your coils and see if the problem changes to
> the two outside ones. Aren't the coils 1-4 and 2-3? That would explain it.
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark..

[EGrider]

You say you're getting voltage, but you don't say where you tested. If you 
tested before the coil, swap your coils and see if the problem changes to 
the two outside ones. Aren't the coils 1-4 and 2-3? That would explain it.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[mark . wfeld]

This is something people do after they have had a bad experience with 
stripping out spark plug threads (in aluminium heads).
I have not heard of this happening in motorcycle heads though. 
I'm not sure you need it. But putting them in dry is probably the opposite. 
if you have any dirt, had them over-tightened or cross-threaded, or there 
is any galling (transfer of aluminum to the plug threads) then you really 
need to pay attention to this.
If you keep the threads clean and have even the slightest lube on the 
threads and pay attention to basic tightening rules, then you should have 
no problem.

I have put new threads in a few automotive heads (without removing the 
head). It is quite a challenge and having to do it once will train you to 
pay attention to this for the rest of your life. It sucks!

*Extra info, purely for your entertainment:*
The silver anti seize is the standard stuff. We used the gold, or bronze 
stuff by the bucket for nuts and bolts in the plastics manufacturing world 
because if the extreme temperatures for extended periods of time. All the 
oils would have long since burned off by the time we would disassemble the 
irons and extruder parts by the time we would take them apart. What is left 
is a flaky film of this copper-like stuff keeping the screws from totally 
binding in the equipment.
My point here is that a motorcycle head will not get near as hot for near 
as long as an iron used for sealing/cutting plastic bags in the 
manufacturing process. It's overkill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=837hVjDlT_c
See the thing popping up and down in this video at about 30 seconds into 
the video. It is a horizontal iron, acting as a knife blade, being 
maintained at about 300-350 degrees F. This is where you need that stuff, 
not on a motorcycle head.

Clear as mud?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Allen Thomas]

I'm pretty sure my Honda car uses an 18mm plug so you can get a proper plug
socket in that size, one with the rubber ring to hold it in the socket for
removal/installation.

Allen Thomas

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

['Ross M. Jamison' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!]

I've had reasonably good luck getting broken spark plugs out with an easy out

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> On Dec 22, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Kyle Munz  wrote:
> 
> A rounded bolt on your rear axle would be easier to deal with than a rounded 
> spark plug.
> 
> 
> -Kyle
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:21 AM, EGrider  wrote:
>> True as a rule, I'm sure, but not universally so. I've been using a 15/16 on 
>> my back axle for years for tire changes and chain adjustments with no 
>> adverse effects.
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[EGrider]

You mean stripped or rounded?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Kyle Munz]

Rounded. Point being I don't mix my metrics and standards, that's usually
just a recipe for failure.


-Kyle

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[EGrider]

True as a rule, I'm sure, but not universally so. I've been using a 15/16 
on my back axle for years for tire changes and chain adjustments with no 
adverse effects.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Kyle Munz]

A rounded bolt on your rear axle would be easier to deal with than a
rounded spark plug.


-Kyle

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[David Basinski]

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 4:39:59 PM UTC-6, Ross M. Jamison wrote:
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> Nighthawks, 
>
> Got my 750 to run on cylinders 1,2&3 installing the used coil for 1 & 4. 
> Just realized, I've never pulled plugs. What size socket? Neither of my 
> standard automotive sockets it. Do I have to buy a special?  

ent from my iPhone


>From past experience, sometime those thick walled sockets just wont't fit 
into the plug hole. Possibly the only tool of any use is the toolkit spark 
plug wrench.  

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[EGrider]

If you're talking about NGK   DPR8EA-9 plugs or equivalent that's 18mm, I 
believe. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Kyle Munz]

I went to Sears and bought a 18mm deepsocket.


-Kyle

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Tommy Hill  wrote:

> I just went to check, but don't have an easily accessible 18mm wrench.
> 19mm or 3/4" may work, but slightly big.  So 18mm is probably right.  Honda
> spark lug wrench from kit is a sure bet!
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Tommy Hill]

I just went to check, but don't have an easily accessible 18mm wrench.  19mm or 
3/4" may work, but slightly big.  So 18mm is probably right.  Honda spark lug 
wrench from kit is a sure bet!

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Stumpi]

On units with points yes, I wouldn't chance it with the CDI ignition
system.  If you were stuck in the middle of nowhere with no other
options you might get away with it but I would find the right plugs.
I know both autozone and advance carry the correct plugs for my 450
but I can't remember the designation.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Joey Kelley]

1982 450 NH: NGK Plugs - DR8ES-L
   -Joey
(Yes, I have that memorized)

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 On units with points yes, I wouldn't chance it with the CDI ignition
 system.  If you were stuck in the middle of nowhere with no other
 options you might get away with it but I would find the right plugs.
 I know both autozone and advance carry the correct plugs for my 450
 but I can't remember the designation.


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Kyle Munz]

Nerd ;)

-Kyle


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Joey Kelley sandp...@gmail.com wrote:

 1982 450 NH: NGK Plugs - DR8ES-L
   -Joey
 (Yes, I have that memorized)

 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Stumpi sandisc...@gmail.com wrote:
  On units with points yes, I wouldn't chance it with the CDI ignition
  system.  If you were stuck in the middle of nowhere with no other
  options you might get away with it but I would find the right plugs.
  I know both autozone and advance carry the correct plugs for my 450
  but I can't remember the designation.
 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Joey Kelley]

Nerd - I'll give you nerd:
12095-XXX-0004226-12233
  Windows 95 OEM registration code (XXX replacing something so it
can't be used :-))
 -Joey (who is thinking about having a bike vanity plate: GEEK)

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Kyle Munz kyle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nerd ;)

 -Kyle


 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Joey Kelley sandp...@gmail.com wrote:

 1982 450 NH: NGK Plugs - DR8ES-L
       -Joey
 (Yes, I have that memorized)

 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Stumpi sandisc...@gmail.com wrote:
  On units with points yes, I wouldn't chance it with the CDI ignition
  system.  If you were stuck in the middle of nowhere with no other
  options you might get away with it but I would find the right plugs.
  I know both autozone and advance carry the correct plugs for my 450
  but I can't remember the designation.
 

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[surfswab]

No joy with Autozone or O'Reilly on mine, and no Advance nearby, so I
ordered online.

Who'da thunk they'd be that rare?


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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Stumpi]

Must be an odd ball design.  The plug for our 450s is pretty common
among import bikes.  And Joey it's really frightening you have that
Winblows 95 installation code memorized.  I just write mine on the CDs
with a sharpie :D

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Spark plugs

[Kurt Nolte]

I plan to put 67x53 on the back of mine when I renew the plate.

Bonus points if you get the reference without looking it up! :D

On Sep 9, 2010 4:49 PM, surfswab surfs...@gmail.com wrote:

No joy with Autozone or O'Reilly on mine, and no Advance nearby, so I
ordered online.

Who'da thunk they'd be that rare?



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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: spark plugs and storage

[jean-pierre . desmoulins]

No problem for the oil in the cylinders. Once, as a student, I had an old 
Citroen 2CV (mythic car with a 625 cm3 engine). I worked with a girl and 
took her home in the car. I ran out of gas. Yes, really, don't smile...
I said dont worry, I have a spare gas can in the trunk, and took the 2 l 
(half gallon) can and poured it in the tank. Then started the engine, which 
ran 10 seconds before stopping. I realized that, at night, I missed the gas 
spare can and poured a 2 l oil can in the tank !!! I had to walk a few 
miles with the girl to take her at home.

Not end of the story.

The day after, I came back the poor car, took off the bold allowing to 
empty the tank from oil, opened the carb and tried to dry it from the 
remains of oil. Of course, I coun't clean the pipe. Then put new gas in the 
tank and started. Oh my god... like in the movies of the WW1 when the 
germans sent the gases. All the surrounding street was under a deep fog. A 
bus, coming, had to put it's headlights through the cloud ! But the engine 
ran, and a few minutes later, no more fumes at the exhaust. And this car 
went ahead for a long service.

Not the real end of the story : the girl married one of my friends !

So, don't worry for a few teaspoons of oil in your engine, but don't take a 
girl for a ride just after it if you have some plans with her!



At 06:43 28/10/2008 -0700, you wrote:


I did get an extension but not sure whether it will be long enough.
Also, any opinions on the wisdom of pouring a tablespoon of engine oil
in the cylinders?




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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: spark plugs and storage

[Kyle Munz]

That sounds like when my dad put the new engine in our boat when I was a
kid. I say new, but it was a rebuild, anyhow a tablespoon of oil was put in
each cylinder during the rebuild. When they finally cranked it up so much
smoke billowed out I thought Mötley Crüe was in there. The oil will keep
things from rusting and sticking while it sets, but I'd make sure its
outdoors when you crank it.

-Kyle**

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 No problem for the oil in the cylinders. Once, as a student, I had an old
 Citroen 2CV (mythic car with a 625 cm3 engine). I worked with a girl and
 took her home in the car. I ran out of gas. Yes, really, don't smile...
 I said dont worry, I have a spare gas can in the trunk, and took the 2 l
 (half gallon) can and poured it in the tank. Then started the engine, which
 ran 10 seconds before stopping. I realized that, at night, I missed the gas
 spare can and poured a 2 l oil can in the tank !!! I had to walk a few
 miles with the girl to take her at home.

 Not end of the story.

 The day after, I came back the poor car, took off the bold allowing to
 empty the tank from oil, opened the carb and tried to dry it from the
 remains of oil. Of course, I coun't clean the pipe. Then put new gas in the
 tank and started. Oh my god... like in the movies of the WW1 when the
 germans sent the gases. All the surrounding street was under a deep fog. A
 bus, coming, had to put it's headlights through the cloud ! But the engine
 ran, and a few minutes later, no more fumes at the exhaust. And this car
 went ahead for a long service.

 Not the real end of the story : the girl married one of my friends !

 So, don't worry for a few teaspoons of oil in your engine, but don't take a
 girl for a ride just after it if you have some plans with her!



 At 06:43 28/10/2008 -0700, you wrote:


 I did get an extension but not sure whether it will be long enough.
 Also, any opinions on the wisdom of pouring a tablespoon of engine oil
 in the cylinders?




 


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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: spark plugs and storage

[Creative Residential Designs]

You will need a deep socket for those plugs..I had to go buy one myself.
- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] spark plugs and storage



 Hi,
 In preparation for winter storage, I read that a tablespoon of engine
 oil should be put in each of the spark plug cylinder.  True?  Does
 anyone know the minimum length of a sparkplug wrench I would need for
 a nighthawk? (mine is an 84 650 if that makes a difference) I could
 remove the tank and measure, but it's starting to snow around here...
 Thank you!
 
 


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