Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-19 Thread mf
Tested. It works. - download the binaries from http://lmtx.pragma-ade.nl/install-lmtx/context-linux-64.zip - make install.sh and bin/mtxrun executable - run install.sh and you can see the upgrade progression again. Thanks Hans, Massi Il 19/11/20 11:35, Hans Hagen ha scritto: Hi, A new

[NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-19 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, A new upload. Hopefully with the linux install fixed. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 |

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-18 Thread Hans Hagen
On 11/18/2020 10:21 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 18.11.2020 um 22:05: On 11/18/20 7:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, A new upload ... still some 150 tex files to go (from mkiv to lmtx speak) ... after that the lua ones ... some fixes applied, maybe some new temp issues

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-18 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 18.11.2020 um 22:05: On 11/18/20 7:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, A new upload ... still some 150 tex files to go (from mkiv to lmtx speak) ... after that the lua ones ... some fixes applied, maybe some new temp issues introduced ... thanks for testing. Many thanks

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-18 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/18/20 7:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > A new upload ... still some 150 tex files to go (from mkiv to lmtx > speak) ... after that the lua ones ... some fixes applied, maybe some > new temp issues introduced ... thanks for testing. Many thanks for the new upload, Hans. Even headings and

[NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-18 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, A new upload ... still some 150 tex files to go (from mkiv to lmtx speak) ... after that the lua ones ... some fixes applied, maybe some new temp issues introduced ... thanks for testing. Hans -

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Floris van Manen
On 07/11/2020 13:11, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: echo "" && curl -Ihttp://pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-tmf.zip 2>&1 | grep Last-Modified && echo "" So you don’t mix access time with last modification. this seems to work: #!/usr/bin/env bash cd ~/context OLD=`stat -c "%w"

[NTG-context] new upload lmts

2020-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
with some fixes -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Floris van Manen
On 07/11/2020 13:11, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: Improved message: echo "" && curl -Ihttp://pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-tmf.zip 2>&1 | grep Last-Modified && echo "" So you don’t mix access time with last modification. Just in case it helps, That helps. Thx

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/7/20 12:53 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > [...] > I have a simpler approach that might help you: > > curl -I http://pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-tmf.zip Improved message: echo "" && curl -I http://pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-tmf.zip 2>&1 | grep Last-Modified && echo "" So you

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/7/20 11:40 AM, Floris van Manen wrote: > Dear Hans, > > Would it be possible to have a simple text file with the latest release > version (or date) tag in it? Next to the folder containing the actual > install script files? In that case it is easy to check that version tag > by comparing

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Floris van Manen
On 07/11/2020 12:19, Hans Hagen wrote: a version mismatch normally comes from the fact that i generate an lmtx update (for wolfgang to check, posted elsewhere) but nor a mkiv one and then upload to the website (as happened) also, the update script itself doesn't get updated so when that

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, a version mismatch normally comes from the fact that i generate an lmtx update (for wolfgang to check, posted elsewhere) but nor a mkiv one and then upload to the website (as happened) also, the update script itself doesn't get updated so when that gets adapted one has to get it from

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Floris van Manen
Dear Hans, Would it be possible to have a simple text file with the latest release version (or date) tag in it? Next to the folder containing the actual install script files? In that case it is easy to check that version tag by comparing with the local copy and decide if a further download

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/7/20 10:48 AM, Otared Kavian wrote: > Hi Pablo, > > I had the same issue as the one you were reporting (on MacOS 10.14.6). > I removed the three files > > texmf-context.tma > texmf-osx-64.tma > texmf.tma > > [...] and I think I will get the new version uploaded by Hans (my > internet

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi Pablo, I had the same issue as the one you were reporting (on MacOS 10.14.6). I removed the three files texmf-context.tma texmf-osx-64.tma texmf.tma before issuing the command sh install.sh Now I am getting fetching

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Ivan Pešić
Дана 07.11.2020. у 23:42, Hans Hagen пише: Question: do we really need all these 'named characters'  or can we at some point ditch many .. I assume that users who key in greek and cyrillic use unicode nowdays (no hurry, just wondering). That's true Hans, normally I use UTF-8 encoding and a

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-07 Thread Ivan Pešić
Дана 07.11.2020. у 23:42, Hans Hagen пише: Question: do we really need all these 'named characters'  or can we at some point ditch many .. I assume that users who key in greek and cyrillic use unicode nowdays (no hurry, just wondering). That's true Hans, normally I use UTF-8 encoding and a

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread Floris van Manen
this is my script for a daily update check which seems to do the job #!/usr/bin/env bash cd ~/context context --version | grep "current version" echo "" mtxrun --script cache --erase >ctx.log rm tex/*.tma sh ./install.sh >ctx.log context --version | grep "current version"

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/7/20 12:02 AM, mf wrote: > [...] > I can confirm that on my Debian 10 64bit: no update until I removed > > texmf-context.tma > texmf-linux-64.tma > texmf.tma > > in the tex subdir. I had to remove these files to update from LMTX from 2020.10.20 to version from 2020.11.05. But I had to

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread mf
Il 06/11/20 22:03, Pablo Rodriguez ha scritto: I’m afraid that I cannot update unless I remove tex/texmf*.tma. I’m on Linux-64bit and I wonder whether I’m the only user affected by this issue. I can confirm that on my Debian 10 64bit: no update until I removed texmf-context.tma

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread Rik Kabel
On 11/6/2020 16:03, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 11/6/20 8:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, Again a new lmtx upload. As these days are all about counting and numbers ... of the 19K visible macros some 14K are now flagged. Many thanks for the new release, Hans. I’m afraid that I cannot update unless

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/6/20 8:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > Again a new lmtx upload. As these days are all about counting and > numbers ... of the 19K visible macros some 14K are now flagged. Many thanks for the new release, Hans. I’m afraid that I cannot update unless I remove tex/texmf*.tma. I’m on

[NTG-context] new upload

2020-11-06 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, Again a new lmtx upload. As these days are all about counting and numbers ... of the 19K visible macros some 14K are now flagged. Question: do we really need all these 'named characters' or can we at some point ditch many .. I assume that users who key in greek and cyrillic use unicode

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-09-01 Thread Hans Hagen
On 9/1/2020 2:50 AM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote: Is there an analogue for display math? Could discretionaries be applicable to math formulas when "split=yes" is enabled, for instance? can you give an example of usage Hans -

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-31 Thread Jairo A. del Rio
Hi, Hans. :) Is there an analogue for display math? Could discretionaries be applicable to math formulas when "split=yes" is enabled, for instance? Thank you in advance. Jairo :) El lun., 31 de ago. de 2020 a la(s) 15:21, Hans Hagen (j.ha...@xs4all.nl) escribió: > Hi, > > In order to keep the

[NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, In order to keep the 'context is good for toy math' reputation up to date, in lmtx we can now have proper discretionaries in math and math in discretionaries. The kind of things no one asks for but they might be useful in educational settings. Here are some examples (): \starttext

[NTG-context] new version

2020-08-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, The current version of lmtx has some updated tracing of memory usage. This is irrelevant for most users but some of you generat elarge an complex files so ... (I'm talking about mf here). There is a command line option --usage that will make a run report some more statistics. The

[NTG-context] new upload - matching gimmick

2020-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, For those who like playing around you can use lua pettern matching in a match loop: \starttext \doloopovermatch {(\letterpercent w+) *(\letterpercent w*)} {aa bb cc dd} { [ \doloopovermatch {(\letterpercent w)(\letterpercent w)} {#1}

[NTG-context] new upload - hyphenation

2020-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, One can suppress hyphenation with: \setupalign[nothyphenated] but it has some limitations. The low level switches are \nohyphens and \dohyphens. Anyway, this mechanism has now been improved a bit: \starttext \startbuffer NEDERLANDS\par Nederlands\par nederlands\par \CONTEXT \par

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 8/9/20 10:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 8/9/2020 8:52 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: >> On 8/9/20 8:45 PM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote: >>> On my computer mtxrun --generate works, but context --make fails and the >>> command line outputs: >> >> I ran "mtxrun --script cache --erase" before running

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Hans Hagen
On 8/9/2020 8:52 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 8/9/20 8:45 PM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote: On my computer mtxrun --generate works, but context --make fails and the command line outputs: I ran "mtxrun --script cache --erase" before running "mtxrun --generate" (as I do with each update). can you

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 8/9/20 8:45 PM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote: > On my computer mtxrun --generate works, but context --make fails and the > command line outputs: I ran "mtxrun --script cache --erase" before running "mtxrun --generate" (as I do with each update). Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Jairo A. del Rio
Update: after cleaning the cache, I have the same problem as Pablo. Jairo :) El dom., 9 de ago. de 2020 a la(s) 13:45, Jairo A. del Rio ( jairoadelr...@gmail.com) escribió: > On my computer mtxrun --generate works, but context --make fails and the > command line outputs: > > tex error >

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Jairo A. del Rio
On my computer mtxrun --generate works, but context --make fails and the command line outputs: tex error > tex error on line 448 in file lang-ini.mkxl: ! Undefined control sequence \dohyphens ->\hyphenationmode \plusthree l.448 \dohyphens Jairo :) El dom., 9 de

Re: [NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 8/9/20 8:08 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I uploaded a new lmtx ... not much done due to the heat (entered reading > mode instead) but ... apart from some work in progress ... we now have > some basic bitwise operations (maybe we need some more). So far we have: I’m afraid that even "mtxrun

[NTG-context] new upload

2020-08-09 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new lmtx ... not much done due to the heat (entered reading mode instead) but ... apart from some work in progress ... we now have some basic bitwise operations (maybe we need some more). So far we have: \startlines \meaning\bitwiseset \meaning\bitwisenot \meaning\bitwisenil

Re: [NTG-context] new version

2020-06-10 Thread Alan Bowen
The problem with vertical spacing in \frac and \over is fixed. Many thanks, Hans! Alan On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:03 AM Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I uploaded a new version. There have been no changes to the typesetting > machinery although we're still in the process of finetuning some updated

[NTG-context] new version

2020-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new version. There have been no changes to the typesetting machinery although we're still in the process of finetuning some updated low level macros. There was a fix in the font machinery (thanks to Kai) but that will probably go unnoticed as the issue has been there for

[NTG-context] new lmtx upload

2020-05-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, The tex engine has at most 65K dimen and count registers and these can be local and global (although mixing these two models for the same variable can be inefficient). Anyway, in the current upload there is a mechanism for using way more variables, global ones, that are managed by lua:

Re: [NTG-context] New installation setup

2020-04-19 Thread Hans Hagen
On 4/19/2020 12:44 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 19.04.2020 um 11:57 schrieb Hans Hagen : As a side note: a while ago mojca and i discussed the future repository and installation setup which will use github repositories (1) - context (including luametatex sources) (2) - binaries (for

Re: [NTG-context] New installation setup (was: Cannot build plain format)

2020-04-19 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
> Am 19.04.2020 um 11:57 schrieb Hans Hagen : > As a side note: a while ago mojca and i discussed the future repository and > installation setup which will use github repositories > > (1) - context (including luametatex sources) > (2) - binaries (for a subset of platforms) > (3) - resources

[NTG-context] New to metapost, could use some help with first steps

2020-02-02 Thread Gerben Wierda
Hans was so kind to help me with a setup for some generated output. I am trying to understand every line of his example so I can expand on his exmaple to make it fully functional. In his example there is: context('draw

Re: [NTG-context] new lmtx beta

2020-01-26 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/26/2020 7:40 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Dear Hans, On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Hans Hagen wrote: I uploaded a new beta (mostly lmtx). Thanks a lot. What about musl binaries? Yes, i need to do that (assuming that you're confident that they work) .. thanks for reminding me. Hans

Re: [NTG-context] new lmtx beta

2020-01-26 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Hans, On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Hans Hagen wrote: > > I uploaded a new beta (mostly lmtx). Thanks a lot. What about musl binaries? Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an

[NTG-context] new lmtx beta

2020-01-26 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new beta (mostly lmtx). Challenged by Mojca we managed to get native compilation under mswindows working in visual studio (and soon the compile farm will do several windows compilation variants) so future installation can have either native binaries or crosscompiles (they

[NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded an mkiv and lmtx beta (remake/cache needed). --- 1 spacekerns for own features (experimental) --- % decouple feature from 'kern' only \definefontfeature [TestA] [default]

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-06 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi Hans, Thanks a lot for the new beta and for having fixed the issue with luametatex binaries. Everything works great with version 2019.12.06 21:40. Best regards: OK > On 6 Dec 2019, at 15:05, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 12/6/2019 1:34 PM, Otared Kavian wrote: > >> Is this too old? Is this

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-06 Thread Hans Hagen
On 12/6/2019 1:34 PM, Otared Kavian wrote: Is this too old? Is this file created during installation or is it contained in the zip files downloaded from Pragma's site? Ok, I think that there is some issue with the builder. Mojca, it looks like there is no binary upload happening after a

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-06 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi again, I just installed anew lmtx from Pragma website http://lmtx.pragma-ade.nl/install-lmtx/context-osx-64.zip and I have the same problem: the format cannot be made. Looking at luametatex in a Terminal window, I get -rwxr--r-- 1 kavian staff 2.7M Dec 6 13:15

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-06 Thread Hans Hagen
On 12/5/2019 8:28 PM, Otared Kavian wrote: Hi Hans, Thanks for the new features and the new release. I could download the new installer for MacOS which installs the latest version but it cannot make the formats ending with the error message which I copy below. Best regards: OK PS: this is

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Otared Kavian schrieb am 06.12.2019 um 04:23: Dear Hans, The problem I described in my previous message comes indeed from \defineexpansion which is not defined. Upon commenting out the lines 95--98 in the file « hand-ini.mkxl » that is the four lines: \defineexpansion [\c!step=1,

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-05 Thread Vladimir Lomov
Hello, ** Otared Kavian [2019-12-06 04:23:28 +0100]: > Dear Hans, > The problem I described in my previous message comes indeed from > \defineexpansion which is not defined. Upon commenting out the lines > 95--98 in the file « hand-ini.mkxl » that is the four lines: > \defineexpansion >

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-05 Thread Otared Kavian
Dear Hans, The problem I described in my previous message comes indeed from \defineexpansion which is not defined. Upon commenting out the lines 95--98 in the file « hand-ini.mkxl » that is the four lines: \defineexpansion [\c!step=1, \c!stretch=40, \c!shrink=20] I could remake the

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-05 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi Hans, Thanks for the new features and the new release. I could download the new installer for MacOS which installs the latest version but it cannot make the formats ending with the error message which I copy below. Best regards: OK PS: this is the error message when installing: tex error

[NTG-context] new beta

2019-12-05 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new lmtx beta. Hopefully the installer works ok as I redid some of the "zip" related code (simpler, smaller binary too). FWIW, the luametatex codebase is now pretty close to okay, but of course there can be bugs, but nothing thay can't be solved fast. Given some earlier

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-11-13 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/13/19 9:34 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 11/12/2019 10:20 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > >> LMTX has no problems with this. Could you fix this in MkIV? > > Can you check again? Many thanks for your fast fix, Hans. Everything works fine now. Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-11-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 11/12/2019 10:20 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: LMTX has no problems with this. Could you fix this in MkIV? Can you check again? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2019-11-12 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 11/12/19 7:50 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I uploaded a new beta. Apart from some fixes, the main change in lmtx is > that on windows most (a few exceptions) of the mechanisms that interface > to the operating system support the internal wide character model which > should make the lot more

[NTG-context] new beta

2019-11-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new beta. Apart from some fixes, the main change in lmtx is that on windows most (a few exceptions) of the mechanisms that interface to the operating system support the internal wide character model which should make the lot more robust for file names, environment variables,

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-11 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Hans, >> Though it calculates function using “x^2 + y^2”, it is better to write the >> name of it as the output of $x^2 + y^2$. >> Is it possible to write it as in mathematical form? > >functionstyle = "math”, > It works nicely. >> Is there any reason to use two different

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-11 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/11/2019 4:09 PM, Jeong Dal wrote: Dear Hans, I read the manual of luametafun and do some examples. Thanks for many new features. It is  really great. I’d like to ask two things. 1. On  page 26,27, in the manual, http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/luametafun.pdf a function

[NTG-context] new beta

2019-10-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new beta. Some might have noticed that stepwise some font support has been redone. We're talking of lmtx only here. For instance low level handling of color fonts as used for emoji but there are also other (often incomplete) fonts out there (overlay, png, svg) has become (on

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-11 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Hans, I read the manual of luametafun and do some examples. Thanks for many new features. It is really great. I’d like to ask two things. 1. On page 26,27, in the manual, > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/luametafun.pdf >

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-06 Thread Fabrice Couvreur
Hello, Thanks. Fabrice Le sam. 5 oct. 2019 à 12:53, Mikael P. Sundqvist a écrit : > Den lör 5 okt. 2019 09:45Wolfgang Schuster < > wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com> skrev: > >> Fabrice Couvreur schrieb am 05.10.2019 um 09:39: >> >> Hi Hans, >> Where is this documentation ? >> >> Make a update

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-05 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist
Den lör 5 okt. 2019 09:45Wolfgang Schuster < wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com> skrev: > Fabrice Couvreur schrieb am 05.10.2019 um 09:39: > > Hi Hans, > Where is this documentation ? > > Make a update and you will find luametafun.pdf in the documentation >

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Fabrice Couvreur schrieb am 05.10.2019 um 09:39: Hi Hans, Where is this documentation ? Make a update and you will find luametafun.pdf in the documentation ($TEXMF/tex/texmf-context/doc/context/documents/general/manuals/) folder. Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-05 Thread Fabrice Couvreur
Hi Hans, Where is this documentation ? Thank you. Fabrice Le ven. 4 oct. 2019 à 21:34, Mikael P. Sundqvist a écrit : > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:11 PM Hans Hagen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I uploaded a new lmtx beta. Again some more metafun trickery (see >> luametafun manual). I attached an (lmtx

Re: [NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-04 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:11 PM Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I uploaded a new lmtx beta. Again some more metafun trickery (see > luametafun manual). I attached an (lmtx only) example of some experiment > code, dedicated to Alan Braslau (teacher among other things). > > Hans > >

[NTG-context] new (lmtx) beta

2019-10-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new lmtx beta. Again some more metafun trickery (see luametafun manual). I attached an (lmtx only) example of some experiment code, dedicated to Alan Braslau (teacher among other things). Hans -

[NTG-context] new LuaTeX binaries in latest beta

2019-03-23 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
Dear list, I have just downloaded the latest beta from the ConTeXt Suite and I found that it includes the new LuaTeX binaries. These ones fix the issue reported in https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/094266.html. Many thanks to each one involved in the timely release of each

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-31 Thread Henri Menke
Dear Paul, Personally I really like your logo design, but there is one thing that bothers me a lot, which is the non-free font. Could it perhaps be replaced by a free font, e.g. Fetamont? https://www.ctan.org/pkg/fetamont Cheers, Henri On 29/01/19 12:18 PM, Paul Schalck wrote: > Dear ConTeXt

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 20:57, Paul Schalck wrote: > > as many critics go towards "I don't see any coherence" or "to me it's just a > random bunch of colored letters" or "it's hard to read the word CONTEXT", > some afterthoughts in that regard (difficulty, randomness). > > Personally, I like

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2019-01-30 um 14:00 schrieb Paul Schalck : > @Floris vM: I'm glad that my nemesis on the matter felt himself challenged to > make his own proposal. While I think it's too minimalistic (only insiders > know what 'CTX' stands for), I like your idea of the subscript 'T'. Your > concept with

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2019-01-30 um 11:09 schrieb Floris van Manen : >> In fact, having a pictograph instead of / along with >> textual content is probably a good idea. > > I do agree ;-) > > > Here’s an attempt the blend the lines in plain monochrome … > The latter having a naive reference to the typical TeX

[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck
Hello again, as many critics go towards "I don't see any coherence" or "to me it's just a random bunch of colored letters" or "it's hard to read the word CONTEXT", some afterthoughts in that regard (difficulty, randomness). Personally, I like visual material that catches my attention, but does

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Lars
Although I don't think that it's a good idea to paint a car which doesn't work as it should in uncountable situations, I'd like to make a suggestion: When you're over the decision which tone the blues and reds should have, please put an .ico file or similar of the logo into the CTX

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread mf
I agree with Willi. Kind regards, Massimiliano Il 30/01/19 13:50, Willi Egger ha scritto: Hi, here my humble personal thoughts: I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, herewith

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 04:02:32PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > ok, let me add 1c ... since 2011 in the distribution there is always a file > context-version.[pdf|png] which is a colorful representation of the current > context version (date and time) ... probably no one ever noticed it I did! I

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On 1/30/19 1:50 PM, Willi Egger wrote: I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, herewith agreeing partly with Clyde. It is useless to argue about taste, but it may be of interest to

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/30/2019 10:31 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Just a quick note on logo design: The ConTeXt logo could just as well be a set of tulips or some (TeX-styled) lion or a dutch cow or a windmill or some variation off the Pragma-ADE logo (see pragma-ade.com). There is no real need to display the

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Alan Braslau
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:58:40 +0100 "Paul Schalck" wrote: > @Alan B: I've uploaded MetaPost files of the main version. MP produced using pstoedit is of little interest; it is not the same as generating a graphic naively using MetaPost. Also, writing good MP code is a simple and fun exercise

[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck
Hello, thank you all again for your reactions. A lot of interesting comments here on logo design in general and a ConTeXt logo in particular. I'm honored that the new design has found its way into the Wiki, thanks Taco! @Lukas: I like the idea. Would be worth a try. @Floris vM: I'm glad that

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Willi Egger
Hi, here my humble personal thoughts: I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, herewith agreeing partly with Clyde. The experiment of Taco however, has some charm. It includes the

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing .
Hello, thanks Paul for the nice job! The colorful hexa-shaped logo seems much prettier. One point/suggestion - if the letters "TEX" shared the same background - be it e.g. light gray - it might be cleaner how to read ("discover") the word "ConTeXt"; it would also keep the hexagonal shape,

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 10:15 AM Floris van Manen wrote: > If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography, > the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se. > At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours. > e.g. difficult to read and

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 10:15 AM Floris van Manen wrote: > If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography, > the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se. > At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours. > e.g. difficult to read and memorise.

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi, Just a quick note on logo design: The ConTeXt logo could just as well be a set of tulips or some (TeX-styled) lion or a dutch cow or a windmill or some variation off the Pragma-ADE logo (see pragma-ade.com). There is no real need to display the letters “context”. In fact, having a

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi, While this discussion is going on, it is still the case that Paul’s new unofficial logo is better than the old green one, so I did in fact replace the wiki logo. It will stay up until someone comes up with a proposal with a higher level of consensus. Thanks Paul! Taco PS I tried

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen
If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography, the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se. At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours. e.g. difficult to read and memorise. .F signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen
> @Floris vM: Font, spacing, overall appealingness. > No Helvetica/Nimbus Sans, which has less meaning to me for ConTeXt than a > DIN-ish/technical one. > Colors are fun. Could you elaborate on how ‘fun’ in colors is defined? I see no coherency in the color palet. > If you don’t see it this

[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck
Hello, thanks for your feedback. Again, I don't want to impose or dismiss anything. I wanted to share this because I believed somebody else in the ConTeXt community could be interested. @Taco: Actually, I stumbled upon the nice ConTeXt group logo recently and was wondering who made it. To

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Alan Braslau
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:32:40 +0100 Taco Hoekwater wrote: > It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of > the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order > for the word “CONTEXT” (C = orange+blue, O = blue+green, N = green+red > etc.) But

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/29/2019 11:32 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi Paul, Nice idea, and I actually like the multi-color version although it is a bit too informal for some uses (but could be nice for the wiki). which brings us to the wiki ... which still needs a bit more fancy css ... It would be more coherent

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/29/2019 11:42 AM, Clyde Johnston wrote: The design is new, interesting and refreshing but being a traditionalist, I can't help think that it steps a little too far away from its TeX roots. ConTeXt is a derivation of TeX, a creation of Donald Knuth. Here is what he said about the logo

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/29/2019 2:01 PM, Floris van Manen wrote: i can imagine these numbers being language dependent .. not all languages have the X https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble so you use english .. dutch is not bad either with 20 i agree, we need a native \scrabblescore function to add the total

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/29/2019 12:44 PM, Floris van Manen wrote: As it is now, to me it is not so much of an improvement. What are you trying to improve over the original? (For the horizontal version, i’d prefer at least the correct letter values in place ;-) interesting: it adds up to 16

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Floris van Manen
As it is now, to me it is not so much of an improvement. What are you trying to improve over the original? (For the horizontal version, i’d prefer at least the correct letter values in place ;-) .F signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Clyde Johnston
t: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 1:18 AM To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: [NTG-context] New logo proposal Dear ConTeXt users and developers, I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project): https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo I made this logo in February 2018. At the t

Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi Paul, Nice idea, and I actually like the multi-color version although it is a bit too informal for some uses (but could be nice for the wiki). It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order for

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