Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Do you have an example ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
Hi, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a document with 'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a second! :) > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower thanks to extra complexity. I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there are a few other reasons as well: * context usually needs three runs the very first time you process a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well, often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link. * context typically is set up to use much larger values for the internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint to just what is needed for your own typical document types (dont forget to regenerate the formats). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 02:54:40 -0400 Shiv Shankar Dayal scribit: > Hi, > > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? > > -- > Best regards, > Shiv Shankar Dayal WORKING WITH lINUX: May be your context-path is bad. Open a console. Try to find the file "setuptex" Then "source THE_PATH_FOUND/setuptex" The tip is somewhere in the contextgarden. -- René Bastian www.pythoneon.org www.musiques-rb.org http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity
This is totally off-topic: but given the fairly strong Dutch implication in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down recently. Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else on the mailing list, either... Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: > Hi, > I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run > approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. > Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? > > -- > Best regards, > Shiv Shankar Dayal texinfo is not able to do this http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf while context can easily mimic texinfo, at least for pdf ouput. Anyway, without an example it's like compare apples with oranges. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote: > What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who > writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills. > He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever > and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates. > Problems would far outweigh additional features for him. > ConTeXt is under development, so IMHO there is no "stable" version. If you need it you have to live with it, no choice :-) Maybe ConTeXt minimal (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals) ? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Vnpenguin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote: >> What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who >> writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills. >> He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever >> and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates. >> Problems would far outweigh additional features for him. >> > > ConTeXt is under development, so IMHO there is no "stable" version. > If you need it you have to live with it, no choice :-) > > Maybe ConTeXt minimal (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals) ? ConTeXt mkii is *stable* ConTeXt mkiv is under very active development, so it's unstable --- but usable. Both come with minimals. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity
> This is totally off-topic: Well, this is OK, it does not harm to mix Apple and Oranjes from time to time ;-) Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity
On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote: This is totally off-topic: but given the fairly strong Dutch implication in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down recently. Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else on the mailing list, either... When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be used). This all happens in jet-lag mode. So, next week I hope to be back to context etc. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote: > What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who > writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills. > He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever > and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates. > Problems would far outweigh additional features for him. TeX Live 2010 should work fine. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote: >> What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who >> writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills. >> He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever >> and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates. >> Problems would far outweigh additional features for him. > > TeX Live 2010 should work fine. Current physical ETA is September, btw. For those of you that are not on the tex-live mailing list. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo
On 8-7-2010 9:32, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote: Hi, I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds. A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a document with 'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a second! :) Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still? Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower thanks to extra complexity. I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there are a few other reasons as well: * context usually needs three runs the very first time you process a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well, often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link. * context typically is set up to use much larger values for the internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint to just what is needed for your own typical document types (dont forget to regenerate the formats). but 16 sec for a simple doc is still too much given that the cache etc are set up; the 2 sec texinfo is an indication that the whol setup is suboptimal (network?) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
-Original Message- From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Mojca Miklavec Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:14 AM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote: > What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who > writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills. > He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever > and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates. > Problems would far outweigh additional features for him. TeX Live 2010 should work fine. Mojca I don't expect there will be much ConTeXt activity from our Dutch friends today due to the big game, but I will risk a question anyway. >From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only? The Wiki suggests that command-line and GUI installers can be downloaded from there and that either a stable or beta version can be selected from either of the installers. Is this the recommended method for non-technical types to get Tex Live? I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010 version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in September. Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required? Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax Twitter: @TomBenjey ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity
On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:33:08 Hans Hagen wrote: > On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > > This is totally off-topic: > > but given the fairly strong Dutch implication > > in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising > > that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down > > recently. > > > > Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else > > on the mailing list, either... > > When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal > use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also > new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another > one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to > redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be > used). This all happens in jet-lag mode. > > So, next week I hope to be back to context etc. > > Hans Oh! I thought that you were off in South Africa... :) No, seriously, I hope that you did not misunderstand. My post was not a complaint, not at all. Rather an acknowledgment of the success of Holland (and of Spain) so far. Alan P.S. Nevertheless, now that you are back and your servers back on line, we expect ALL outstanding bugs to be quickly and expertly resolved. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On Thursday 08 July 2010 13:54:57 Tom wrote: > > I don't expect there will be much ConTeXt activity from our Dutch friends > today due to the big game, but I will risk a question anyway. The BIG game will be on Sunday. > > From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only? > At least the Americans went much further than the French! Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity
On 8-7-2010 2:16, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:33:08 Hans Hagen wrote: On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote: This is totally off-topic: but given the fairly strong Dutch implication in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down recently. Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else on the mailing list, either... When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be used). This all happens in jet-lag mode. So, next week I hope to be back to context etc. Hans Oh! I thought that you were off in South Africa... :) no way No, seriously, I hope that you did not misunderstand. My post was not a complaint, not at all. Rather an acknowledgment of the success of Holland (and of Spain) so far. well, i must admit that i haven't seen any match -) P.S. Nevertheless, now that you are back and your servers back on line, we expect ALL outstanding bugs to be quickly and expertly resolved. i'll give 'm a try at sunday -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 13:54, Tom wrote: > > From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only? http://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html http://www.tug.org/texlive/mirmon/ > I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010 > version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by > Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in September. Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September. > Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required? Ruby is not needed for MkIV, but if he is planning to use MKII, you'll want to install Ruby anyway. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
2010/7/8 Mojca Miklavec : > Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September. Images will be available in August. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank
Hi all,
I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to
insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb
the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to
generate a blank at the top of the page:
\showframe
\showmakeup
\starttext
\writetolist[section]{}{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext
I've also tried using a section command where the output has been set to
empty:
\showframe
\showmakeup
\setuphead[section][
before=,
after=,
command=\mydonothing]
\def\mydonothing#1#2{}
\starttext
\section{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext
but that also gets me a blank. Incidentally, the same thing happens with
writebetweenlist, (except that this seems to sometimes push content onto
a new page for some reason).
Any ideas?
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
-Original Message- From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Mojca Miklavec Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:21 AM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 13:54, Tom wrote: > > From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only? http://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html http://www.tug.org/texlive/mirmon/ > I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010 > version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by > Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in September. Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September. > Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required? Ruby is not needed for MkIV, but if he is planning to use MKII, you'll want to install Ruby anyway. Mojca I get very confused by all the different versions. For starters, what is Tex Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG site has Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed on DVDs to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context "compilers" for lack of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down version of a more powerful one. How far off track am I? Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax Twitter: @TomBenjey ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank
On 8-7-2010 7:33, Michael Murphy wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to
insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb
the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to
generate a blank at the top of the page:
mkii or mkiv or both?
\showframe
\showmakeup
\starttext
\writetolist[section]{}{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext
I've also tried using a section command where the output has been set to
empty:
\showframe
\showmakeup
\setuphead[section][
before=,
after=,
command=\mydonothing]
\def\mydonothing#1#2{}
\starttext
\section{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext
but that also gets me a blank. Incidentally, the same thing happens with
writebetweenlist, (except that this seems to sometimes push content onto
a new page for some reason).
Any ideas?
--
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Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
| www.pragma-pod.nl
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
Tom wrote: > I get very confused by all the different versions. For starters, what is > Tex Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? TeXLive is the full blown TeX distribution. It includes LaTeX, ConTeXt etc. > The TUG > site has Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is > distributed on DVDs to TUG members. I get the impression that other > Context "compilers" for lack of a better term exist and that Context > Minimals is a stripped down version of a more powerful one. How far off > track am I? Context Minimals is "context-only" TeX distribution. If you don't need LaTeX, you can use minimals, else install TeXLive 2010 (context Mark IV is broken in TeXLive 2009). P.S.: Do you use "forward" instead of "reply"? Or why your e-mail agent doesn't prepend "> " to the quoted strings? -- Yury G. Kudryashov ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank
I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to generate a blank at the top of the page: mkii or mkiv or both? It looks like it only happens on mkiv. -- Michael Murphy ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
Am 2010-07-08 um 20:54 schrieb Tom: I get very confused by all the different versions. You asked for the "best version", so we supposed you'd know several. For starters, what is Tex Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG site has Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed on DVDs to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context "compilers" for lack of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down version of a more powerful one. How far off track am I? There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and Mark IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still share a lot of code. MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced features and a completely new font handling. There are 3 different engines for TeX that work with ConTeXt: pdfTeX, XeTeX and LuaTeX. MkIV works only with LuaTeX, MkII with any. Font setups (typescripts) differ per engine. There are several distributions of TeX that contain ConTeXt, the most notable are TeX Live (jointly published by most TeX User Groups of the world) and MikTeX (Windows only). If you don't need LaTeX, we suggest our ConTeXt minimals distribution - at least for MkIV, because it's always the most up-to-date one. "Minimals" is in no way stripped down (even if it was meant to be a "bare bones" ConTeXt distro), but contains even several tools and free fonts. Most distributions contain all engines. MkII ist called by "texexec" (a Ruby script, i.e. you need Ruby installed), MkIV ist called by "context" (a Lua script, directly executed by LuaTeX). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
-Original Message- From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Henning Hraban Ramm Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:11 PM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt Am 2010-07-08 um 20:54 schrieb Tom: > I get very confused by all the different versions. You asked for the "best version", so we supposed you'd know several. > For starters, what is Tex > Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG > site has > Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed > on DVDs > to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context "compilers" > for lack > of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down > version > of a more powerful one. How far off track am I? There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and Mark IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still share a lot of code. MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced features and a completely new font handling. There are 3 different engines for TeX that work with ConTeXt: pdfTeX, XeTeX and LuaTeX. MkIV works only with LuaTeX, MkII with any. Font setups (typescripts) differ per engine. There are several distributions of TeX that contain ConTeXt, the most notable are TeX Live (jointly published by most TeX User Groups of the world) and MikTeX (Windows only). If you don't need LaTeX, we suggest our ConTeXt minimals distribution - at least for MkIV, because it's always the most up-to-date one. "Minimals" is in no way stripped down (even if it was meant to be a "bare bones" ConTeXt distro), but contains even several tools and free fonts. Most distributions contain all engines. MkII ist called by "texexec" (a Ruby script, i.e. you need Ruby installed), MkIV ist called by "context" (a Lua script, directly executed by LuaTeX). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) Thank you for being so concise, Hraban. This helps a lot. Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax Twitter: @TomBenjey ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On 2010-07-08, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote: > > Context Minimals is "context-only" TeX distribution. If you don't need > LaTeX, you can use minimals, else install TeXLive 2010 (context Mark IV is > broken in TeXLive 2009). But it is true that minimals sometimes break. TL won't change for at least a year and installing context scheme (or minimal scheme with context package) doesn't install LaTeX and is hardly bigger than minimals with all the engines and fonts. ConTeXt in MikTeX doesn't work any more, at least not until version 2.9 is out. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] horizontal alignment
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to do some horizontal alignment, for typesetting poetry.
There are lines that are continuations of the previous line, and should
be aligned to the end of that previous line. Currently, I'm doing this
by using \phantom text, which for some reason I also have to wrap into
an \mbox to avoid a line break. As an example:
\startlines
here we now see you ~~ already in grief
as you see ~~ yourselves ~~ as the last of the lasts
we are mirrors of your consciousness
\mbox{\phantom{we are mirrors of your consciousness} as you see the end}
and you see us ~~ deep in the spring of the universe
seeing you deep ~~ in the gravity well of the heat death
we are dying ~~ in the spring as we watch you die
we are grieving in the spring as you begin to grieve for all
we are talking about bone-dry at the bottom of the well of time
we are already parched
\mbox{\phantom{we are already parched} for time is transparent}
and we are all rats in the glassy
\mbox{\phantom{and we are all rats in the glassy} labyrinth of time.
\stoplines
How would you solve this kind of problem? I've considered defining a
macro \BrokenLine[line1][line2] that does the above. But, there are
also instances where there are two or more lines as a continuation of
one previous line. Maybe there is a possibility to mark a horizontal
position temporarily, and then jump to that position later?
Thanks,
Michael
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt
On 07/08/2010 11:10 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and Mark IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still share a lot of code. MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced features and a completely new font handling. I've added a FAQ entry based on this reply: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_does_ConTeXt_versioning_work.3F Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
