Re: [NTG-context] where to break a long header

[Steffen Wolfrum]

This minimal I ran with «ConTeXt  ver: 2021.06.04 17:28 MKI» and got two PDF 
files:
One «test.pdf» as expected and one called «test-pdf-keep.pdf».

What's the reason behind this double feature?

Steffen



> Am 05.06.2021 um 10:14 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
> :
> 
> denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch schrieb am 05.06.2021 um 08:16:
>> \startsection[title={A very \\ long title},list={A very long title}]
> 
> Be careful with spaces before and after \\. In the table of contents \\ is 
> converted to a space and in the worst case you get three spaces instead of 
> one.
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \placecontent
> 
> \section{First section \\ with a line break}
> 
> \section{Second section\\ with a line break}
> 
> \section{Third section \\with a line break}
> 
> \section{Fourth section\\with a line break}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation again

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

yet another strange thing: «ap-plic-»

See code below, Steffen


\mainlanguage[en]

\startexceptions[en]
appli-ca​ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions

\startexceptions[de]
appli-ca​ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions

\startexceptions[it]
appli-ca​ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions

\setuplayout[width=1cm]


\starttext

\currentmainlanguage

\currentlanguage

\hyphenatedword{applicable}

applicable

\hyphenatedword{obligated}

obligated

\blank

\language[de]

\currentmainlanguage

\currentlanguage

\hyphenatedword{applicable}

applicable

\hyphenatedword{obligated}

obligated

\blank


\mainlanguage[de]

\currentmainlanguage

\currentlanguage

\hyphenatedword{applicable}

applicable

\hyphenatedword{obligated}

obligated


\stoptext




> Am 09.10.2020 um 16:38 schrieb Denis Maier :
> 
> Hi,
> another weird thing:
> In this example I use  \startexceptions to set hyphenation exceptions: 
> 
> ```
> \mainlanguage[en]
> \startexceptions[en]
> appli-ca​ble
> obli-gated
> \stopexceptions
> 
> \setuplayout[width=1cm]
> 
> \starttext
> \currentmainlanguage
> 
> \currentlanguage
> 
> \hyphenatedword{applicable}
> 
> applicable
> 
> \hyphenatedword{obligated}
> 
> obligated
> \stoptext
> ```
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Best,
> Denis
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] where to break a long header

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> Am 06.06.2021 um 22:02 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/6/2021 3:34 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> This minimal I ran with «ConTeXt  ver: 2021.06.04 17:28 MKI» and got two PDF 
>> files:
>> One «test.pdf» as expected and one called «test-pdf-keep.pdf».
>> What's the reason behind this double feature?
> see thread of a few days ago


sure, just overlooked it (or rather my search didn't match).

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Re: [NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

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> Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there are 
> differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation.


Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files:

file_name-tuc-02.tmp
file_name-tuc-03.tmp
file_name-tuc-04.tmp
file_name-tuc-05.tmp

Is this right?

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[NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Hans,

is there some kind of randomizer involved in line-breaking?

I have a 458 pages project, a book of humanities.

When I immediately typeset (engine=luatex) it a second time, the resulting PDF 
differs on 14 pages, diffpdf-compared to the original PDF
when I typeset it a third time, the resulting PDF differs on 7 pages,
when I typeset it a forth time, the resulting PDF differs on 12 pages,
when I typeset it a fifth time, the resulting PDF differs on 0 pages.

"differs" means that there a paragraphs (mostly footnotes, rarely in the main 
text) that show different line-breaking: This doesn't mean wrong hyphenation, 
just *different* hyphenation, different each time.

As you can imagine, I can't provide a minimal example for this, only the entire 
project-folder and the entire context-standalone.

Steffen


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Re: [NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 07.06.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/7/2021 5:44 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :
>>> 
>>> Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there are 
>>> differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation.
>> Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files:
>> file_name-tuc-02.tmp
>> file_name-tuc-03.tmp
>> file_name-tuc-04.tmp
>> file_name-tuc-05.tmp
>> Is this right?
> indeed and you can compare them to get some clue about what changes
> 
> normally you get one so your style somehow triggers differences


Besides plenty of numbers that differ, there are also entire lines that differ:

One frequent difference for examples is line 2 (macros) and 3 (randomseed) in 
this:

utilitydata.job.variables.collected={
["macros"]={},
["randomseed"]=0x1.c14cd54cp-1,
["sectionblockorder"]={ "frontpart", "bodypart", "backpart" },


Another difference that pops up 1000 times is this line
["used"]="fit",

in situation like this:
utilitydata.structures.references.collected={
["02"]={
 ["*101"]={
  ["metadata"]=678,
  ["references"]={
   ["block"]="bodypart",
   ["internal"]=102,
   ["prefix"]="02",
   ["realpage"]=16,
   ["reference"]="*101",
   ["section"]=3,
   ["used"]="fit",
   ["view"]="fit",
   ["x"]=25526152,
   ["y"]=36448045,
  },
 },



Does this help?

PS: The entire problem began when I started using hyphenation-exceptions...

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

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> Am 08.06.2021 um 15:01 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/8/2021 12:18 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 07.06.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Hans Hagen :
>>> 
>>> On 6/7/2021 5:44 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there 
>>>>> are differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation.
>>>> Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files:
>>>> file_name-tuc-02.tmp
>>>> file_name-tuc-03.tmp
>>>> file_name-tuc-04.tmp
>>>> file_name-tuc-05.tmp
>>>> Is this right?
>>> indeed and you can compare them to get some clue about what changes
>>> 
>>> normally you get one so your style somehow triggers differences
>> Besides plenty of numbers that differ, there are also entire lines that 
>> differ:
>> One frequent difference for examples is line 2 (macros) and 3 (randomseed) 
>> in this:
>> utilitydata.job.variables.collected={
>> ["macros"]={},
>> ["randomseed"]=0x1.c14cd54cp-1,
>> ["sectionblockorder"]={ "frontpart", "bodypart", "backpart" },
> that randomseed should be the same between runs (unless one wipes the tuc 
> file) so are you doing something with random?


not that I know of. 

I searched through both, the project folder and my modules (in context 
standalone), both «random» nowhere was to be found.

perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this be?

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Re: [NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

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> Am 08.06.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/8/2021 3:15 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
>> perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this 
>> be?
> mwe

pardon?
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Re: [NTG-context] randomizer line-breaking

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> Am 08.06.2021 um 16:16 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 08.06.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen :
>>> 
>>> On 6/8/2021 3:15 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> 
>>>> perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this 
>>>> be?
>>> mwe
> 
> http://texfaq.org/FAQ-minxampl
> https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/228/ive-just-been-asked-to-write-a-minimal-working-example-mwe-what-is-that
> 
> These are latex centric advice on creating a minimal working example but 
> broadly applicable for context as well.



Before I posted my initial posting «randomizer line-breaking» I already spent 
days and weeks boiling down this phenomenon. Unfortunately the random output 
made it impossible  for me to make a smaller, but *working* (i.e. showing the 
bug) example. It just appears sometimes, sometimes it doesn't – in between two 
runs I changed nothing: «As you can imagine, I can't provide a minimal example 
for this, only the entire project-folder and the entire context-standalone.»

So my hope was that Hans (and Wolfgang et al.) know how things are chained 
together.
For example: Which ConTeXt command uses randomizer? I have no idea what goes on 
behind my user interface. Others maybe do.
Another example: The problem only appears when using start-/stopexceptions. Is 
there a connection between exceptions and random output on the level of low 
level code, maybe?

Steffen

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[NTG-context] Invalid keyword \spaceskip

[Steffen Wolfrum]

This mwe gives the error below:


\starttext

{\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Matilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}

\stoptext


Steffen

–––

… $ ~/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --script context 
--autogenerate /Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex 

resolvers   | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': 
/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex 
--jobname="error_1" 
--fmt=/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt
 
--lua=/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui
  --c:autogenerate --c:currentrun=1 
--c:fulljobname="/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex" 
--c:input="/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 
--c:texmfbinpath="/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin"
fonts   > beware: no fonts are loaded yet, using 'lm mono' in box
system  > 
system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2021.06.25 22:49 LMTX  fmt: 2021.6.26  int: 
english/english
system  > 
system  > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
open source > level 1, order 1, name 
'/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system  > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
close source> level 1, order 1, name 
'/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system  > files > jobname 'error_1', input 
'/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1', result 'error_1'
fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages   > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name '/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex'
fonts   > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts   > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
tex error   > tex error on line 4 in file 
/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex: Valid keyword expected, likely 'minus'

 {\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Ma
   tilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}
1 
2 \starttext
3 
4 >>  {\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Matilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}
5 
6 \stoptext
You started a keyword but it seems to be an invalid one. The first character(s)
might give you a clue. You might want to quit unwanted lookahead with \relax.
mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 256


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Re: [NTG-context] Invalid keyword \spaceskip

[Steffen Wolfrum]

PS: with 

% engine=luatex

it works fine.

Steffen



> Am 26.06.2021 um 22:12 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum :
> 
> This mwe gives the error below:
> 
> 
> \starttext
> 
> {\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Matilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> Steffen
> 
> –––
> 
> … $ ~/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --script context 
> --autogenerate /Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex 
> 
> resolvers   | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': 
> /Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex 
> --jobname="error_1" 
> --fmt=/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt
>  
> --lua=/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui
>   --c:autogenerate --c:currentrun=1 
> --c:fulljobname="/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex" 
> --c:input="/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 
> --c:maxnofruns=9 
> --c:texmfbinpath="/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin"
> fonts   > beware: no fonts are loaded yet, using 'lm mono' in box
> system  > 
> system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2021.06.25 22:49 LMTX  fmt: 2021.6.26  int: 
> english/english
> system  > 
> system  > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
> open source > level 1, order 1, name 
> '/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
> system  > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
> close source> level 1, order 1, name 
> '/Users/steffen/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
> system  > files > jobname 'error_1', input 
> '/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1', result 'error_1'
> fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
> languages   > language 'en' is active
> open source > level 1, order 2, name '/Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex'
> fonts   > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
> fonts   > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
> tex error   > tex error on line 4 in file 
> /Users/steffen/Desktop/error_1.tex: Valid keyword expected, likely 'minus'
> 
>  {\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Ma
>   tilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}
> 1 
> 2 \starttext
> 3 
> 4 >>  {\spaceskip=1.0pt plus1pt minus1.5pt Matilda, 24, 345, 348, 361, 366}
> 5 
> 6 \stoptext
> You started a keyword but it seems to be an invalid one. The first 
> character(s)
> might give you a clue. You might want to quit unwanted lookahead with \relax.
> mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 256
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Invalid keyword \spaceskip

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 26.06.2021 um 22:43 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
> :
> 
> Steffen Wolfrum schrieb am 26.06.2021 um 22:26:
>> PS: with
>> 
>> % engine=luatex
>> 
>> it works fine.
> 
> Add \relax after the last skip value, i.e.
> 
>   \spaceskip = 1pt plus 1pt minus 1.5pt\relax
> 
> LMTX allows multiple plus and minus values for a skip value and the M in 
> Matilda starts the scan for an additional minus value.


Wow, this sounds interesting. Is there an example of how to use multiple values?

Thanks for the fix! Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Invalid keyword \spaceskip

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> Am 27.06.2021 um 09:16 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/26/2021 11:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Steffen Wolfrum schrieb am 26.06.2021 um 23:38:
>>>> Am 26.06.2021 um 22:43 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Steffen Wolfrum schrieb am 26.06.2021 um 22:26:
>>>>> PS: with
>>>>> 
>>>>> % engine=luatex
>>>>> 
>>>>> it works fine.
>>>> Add \relax after the last skip value, i.e.
>>>> 
>>>>  \spaceskip = 1pt plus 1pt minus 1.5pt\relax
>>>> 
>>>> LMTX allows multiple plus and minus values for a skip value and the M in 
>>>> Matilda starts the scan for an additional minus value.
>>> Wow, this sounds interesting. Is there an example of how to use multiple 
>>> values?
>> I think the only examples are in mails from Hans. When you set multiple plus 
>> or minus values (as far as i remember) only the last setting is used and all 
>> previous ones are ignored.
> Maybe in some article. Anyway, here is an example:
> 
> \starttext
>  test \skip0=10pt plus 10pt minus 10pt plus 20pt
> 
>  test \skip0=10pt plus 10pt plus 20pt minus 10pt
> 
>  test \vrule width 10pt height 10pt depth 10pt depth 10pt height 10pt
> 
> %  test \hbox to 10pt to 10pt {x}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> compare pdftex and luametatex.


ok. but why does this run fine

\starttext

Test \spaceskip = 1.0pt plus 1pt minus 1.5pt Wolfgang

\stoptext


while this ends in an error message?


\starttext

Test \spaceskip = 1.0pt plus 1pt minus 1.5pt Matilda

\stoptext


Steffen
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[NTG-context] color conversion eats note

[Steffen Wolfrum]

uncommenting the following \setupcolors changes magenta to black when running 
luatex.

but when running luametatex the footnote is crippled to «error»:


\starttext

\definestartstop[UL][color=magenta]

%\setupcolors[state=stop,conversion=never]% <- bw with lualatex, but «error» 
with luametatex?

\input ward \footnote{foo foo \startUL{}foo\stopUL{} foo foo foo foo foo 
\startUL{}foo\stopUL{} error}

\stoptext



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[NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated

[Steffen Wolfrum]

When running this mwe with luatex, the command \- could be used to manually 
break the line, even though it is set up nothyphenated.

When running luametatex the word does not break:


\setuppapersize[A10]

\showframe

\setuphead[chapter][align={nothyphenated}]

\starttext

\chapter{abc\-def}

\stoptext


Is this intended?

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[NTG-context] error luatex exceptions

[Steffen Wolfrum]

While luametatex works fine, running this mwe with luatex ends in an error:


\startexceptions

con-text

\stopexceptions

\starttext

context

\stoptext



...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lang-ini.lua:198: attempt to 
call a nil value (global 'sortedhash')
stack traceback:
...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lang-ini.lua:198: in 
upvalue 'sethjcodes'
...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lang-ini.lua:551: in 
upvalue 'collecthjcodes'
...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lang-ini.lua:570: in 
function <...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lang-ini.lua:566>
(...tail calls...)

 1 % engine=luatex
 2 %!TEX TS-program = ConTeXt LMTX
 3 
 4 \startexceptions
 5 
 6 con-text
 7 
 8 >>  \stopexceptions
 9 
10 \starttext
11 
12 context
13 
14 \stoptext

mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 256


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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 01.07.2021 um 17:54 schrieb Alan Braslau :
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 00:12:40 +0200
> Hans Hagen  wrote:
> 
 \= macron accent (bar) should not be changed.
 
 \-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get
 confused with -- (en dash).  
>>> 
>>> Is there some problem to make it just another option.
>>> 
>>> \enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated]
>>> 
>> or maybe some key is \setuplanguages (what key)
> 
> Why not, but this would be somewhat obscure for the average user who
> would have to identify and then set this option in all documents...
> 
> The \-- extension is kind-of nice, obscure in its own way but good
> functionally. The risk is of users confusing this with the en ligature,
> something that unicode users avoid...
> 
> Maybe implement both solutions (setup affecting \- as well as \--) in
> Context?


And what about \– (U+2013)?

Steffen


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[NTG-context] Accessibility

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

in summer 2015 there was a thread about accessibility.

Today I am looking for a solution for «images with alternate text» 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute 
). In HTML it looks like this:



Is there an equivalent for this with ConTeXt?

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Re: [NTG-context] Newbie Question about Installing on Mac OS X

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Ole,

Am 05.12.2007 um 00:15 schrieb Ole Schmidt:

> Dear List,
>
> I failed to install ConTeXt.
> I have no experience with ...-Tex.
> Is there a description somewhere how to install ConteXt on Mac OS X?
> Do I really need that very big (~ 1.2 Gb) LaTex (MacTex) to install?
> And if yes how do I concatenate them? (I've took a look at the unix-
> script from the minimal Mac OS X Installation Download but did not
> understand if there have to be a folder called tex in the /usr/local/
> directory or if the script do create one?)
>
> I do know very few about these things so I'am very greatful for some
> more detailed hints.


You don't *need* to intall MacTeX, but it is by far the easiest and  
most convenient way to start.

If you can afford to download it, do it!


Best,

Steffen, Berlin.
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[NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

when in february 2006 I asked for an alternative to fontspec that  
could show me opentype features, Adam wrote:

I find that the lcdf typetools are a tremendous help:
   otfinfo -f ~/Library/Fonts/WarnockPro-Regular.otf
and I can test the features with:
   \showfont["Warnock Pro: +smcp"]


Today this showfont-line doesn't work anymore:


\definetypeface[oneliner][rm][Xserif][Warnock Pro][default]

\starttext

\oneliner Test WQG 0196

\showfont["Warnock Pro: +smcp"]

\stoptext


Someone knows what to do?


Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.12.2007 um 14:48 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> something numbers=oldstyle could be supported but i see no real reason
> for it since then we end up in endless lists of possibilities  
> (given all
> kind of combinations)

I have not yet played with Lua, thus I can't follow your and Mojca's  
discussion at that point.
But to have a handy way to switch on/off oldstyle figures would be  
very useful!

"numbers=oldstyle" shouldn't be considered as a theoretical  
possibility, it is needed quite often.

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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.12.2007 um 12:32 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> In this specific case you could use
> \showfont[SerifCaps]


Nice!
What about other fonts, are there other arguments besides SerifCaps ?

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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.12.2007 um 15:37 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 2007/12/6, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Am 06.12.2007 um 14:48 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>
>>> something numbers=oldstyle could be supported but i see no real  
>>> reason
>>> for it since then we end up in endless lists of possibilities
>>> (given all
>>> kind of combinations)
>>
>> I have not yet played with Lua, thus I can't follow your and Mojca's
>> discussion at that point.
>> But to have a handy way to switch on/off oldstyle figures would be
>> very useful!
>>
>> "numbers=oldstyle" shouldn't be considered as a theoretical
>> possibility, it is needed quite often.
>>
>> Steffen
>
> The following should work, can't test it at the moment
>
> \definefontfeature[enableoldstyle][onum=yes]
> \definefontfeature[disableoldstyle][onum=no]
>
> \starttext
>
> 123 \setfontfeature{enableoldstyle} 456 \setfontfeature 
> {disableoldstyle} 789
>
> \stoptext


you mean typeset with Lua, right? with XeTeX it yields

  ! Undefined control sequence.
l.20 \setfontfeature!


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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.12.2007 um 12:32 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> The general approach would be something like:
>\definefontfeature[mine][smcp=yes]
>\definefontsynonym[a][name:Warnock Pro][features=mine]
>\showfont[a]
> (grep the sources for definefontfeature)


hmm ... the only hit is in /base/font-ini.mkii (and font-ini.tex)

\def\mkdefinefontfeature#1% #2
   {\setvalue{\??fa#1}} % {#2}


... and, honestly, this doesn't tell me much =o(

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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

I ran sudo ctxtools --updatecontext about one hour ago and all this  
that you write here can't be found (s-pre-63.tex is the latest) ...

Where did you mean should I "grep the sources for definefontfeature" ??

Steffen



Am 06.12.2007 um 17:35 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Dec 6, 2007 5:09 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 06.12.2007 um 12:32 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>
>>> The general approach would be something like:
>>>\definefontfeature[mine][smcp=yes]
>>>\definefontsynonym[a][name:Warnock Pro][features=mine]
>>>\showfont[a]
>>> (grep the sources for definefontfeature)
>>
>>
>> hmm ... the only hit is in /base/font-ini.mkii (and font-ini.tex)
>>
>> \def\mkdefinefontfeature#1% #2
>>{\setvalue{\??fa#1}} % {#2}
>
> \definefontfeature
>   [default]
>   [liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes] %  
> texligatures=yes,texquotes=yes
>
> \definefontfeature
>   [smallcaps]
>   [liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes,smcp=yes] %
> texligatures=yes,texquotes=yes
>
> \definefontfeature
>   [oldstyle]
>   [liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes,onum=yes] %
> texligatures=yes,texquotes=yes
>
> font-otf.lua:--
> \definefontfeature[calt] 
> [language=nld,script=latn,mode=node,calt=yes,clig=yes,rlig=yes]
> font-otf.lua:--
> \definefontfeature[dflt][language=nld,script=latn,mode=node,calt=no,
> clig=yes,rlig=yes]
> font-otf.lua:--
> \definefontfeature[fixd][language=nld,script=latn,mode=node,calt=no,
> clig=yes,rlig=yes,ignoredrules={44,45,47}]
> s-pre-64.tex:
> \definefontfeature[default] 
> [method=node,script=latn,language=dflt,liga=yes,onum=yes,kern=yes]
>
> (Might change!!!)
>
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[NTG-context] backward compatibility [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

re-typesetting a book (that was last set with ConTeXt  ver:  
2007.08.09) I had to see that several pages now have a different line- 
break (and so the page-break and the TOC and the index register are  
changed) ... quite a mess.

I guess is not so easy to find out what changes in the ConTeXt source  
result in these changes now.
So to continue work it will be probably better to downgrade again my  
ConTeXt.

Is there an easy way to do this, like using sudo ctxtools -- 
updatecontext and use the respective files from the museum?

Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] backward compatibility [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.12.2007 um 18:35 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> re-typesetting a book (that was last set with ConTeXt  ver:
>> 2007.08.09) I had to see that several pages now have a different  
>> line-
>> break (and so the page-break and the TOC and the index register are
>> changed) ... quite a mess.
>>
>> I guess is not so easy to find out what changes in the ConTeXt source
>> result in these changes now.
>> So to continue work it will be probably better to downgrade again my
>> ConTeXt.
>>
>> Is there an easy way to do this, like using sudo ctxtools --
>> updatecontext and use the respective files from the museum?
>
> hm, not that much was changed in toc/register code, so maybe you can
> diff and see what happened; we're talking mkii i presume


only, what should I diff?? my project's files haven't changed (just  
used the old ones again).
and the tex/context source files were updated and thus overwritten.

isn't there a way to point the command ...

sudo ctxtools --updatecontext

... to the respective (2007.08.09) files in the museum and downgrade  
my system again?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] showfont with xetex (syntax changed?)

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Am 06.12.2007 um 18:55 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> something like that ...
>
> keep in mind that you don't need to define a font then,
>
> {\setfontfeature{smallcaps}Some Text}
>
> will automatically give you that featureset so in practice we can do
> with only a few real font definitions; mkiv keeps track of such  
> dunamic
> features and efficiently caches data;
>
> we sped up luatex + mkiv some 30% and when using dynamic features with
> huge fonts (zapfino, arab, chinese) we can even gain more


wow!!

st.
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Re: [NTG-context] backward compatibility [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Good morning Hans,

back to the desktop I looked at the differences in the log files.
I think this is the relevant change::

now ->

systems : system commands are enabled
(./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./ 
DH_X.tuo)
(./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo)
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-def.tex
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-def.mkii))
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-lan.tex

with version 2007.08.09 ->

systems : system commands are enabled
(./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./ 
DH_X.tuo)
(./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo) (./DH_X.tuo)
(/usr/local/texlive/2007/../texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-lan.tex


could this result in different line-breaks?
if so, what should I change in order to get the older output back?


Best,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] [found it!] backward compatibility

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 07.12.2007 um 11:46 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 2007/12/7, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I had a closer look at the specific lines and now I guess I found the
>> change:
>>
>> [e.g.] AGB|-|Recht
>>
>> There is no hyphenation at |-| points anymore!!!
>>
>>
>> How could this happen?
>>
>> Steffen
>
> Can you make a small example, I tried the following example on the  
> wiki
> and the second line is always broken, the first only with PDFTeX  
> but not
> with XeTeX.


(it was set with pdftex)


I made some tests: In some cases |-| still works (it looks to me as  
if the priorities in the linebraking rules were mixed up?! But this  
can't be ...).

Thus it is not so easy to make a representative example.
But look at the following, simulating a real example:

\usetypescript[postscript][ec]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\mainlanguage[de]
\enableregime[utf]

\showframe


\setupbodyfont[postscript,14.5pt]
  \def\myFNnumber#1{\hskip1.15em{\switchtobodyfont[8pt]#1}\enskip}

\setupfootnotedefinition[command= 
\myFNnumber,indentnext=yes,location=serried]

\starttext

\setnumber[footnote]{217}% this is broken, the next FN-number should  
be 218

text\footnote{S. aber zu einer allgemeinen Regulierung von  
Selbstverpflichtungen und normersetzenden Absprachen §§\,35, 36 UGB|-| 
KomE und die dazu gehörige Begründung UGB|-|KomE S.\,501\,ff., sowie  
§§\,130 - 136 IGB (3.\,Teil 1.\,Kapitel 6.\,Abschnitt). }.

\stoptext


Now the line breaking is as such:
218
S. aber zu einer allgemeinen Regulierung von Selbstverpflichtungen  
und normer-
setzenden Absprachen §§ 35, 36 UGB-KomE und die dazu gehörige  
Begründung UGB-
KomE S. 501 ff., sowie §§ 130 - 136 IGB (3. Teil 1. Kapitel 6.  
Abschnitt).

Four months ago the same text came out like this:
218
S. aber zu einer allgemeinen Regulierung von Selbstverpflichtungen  
und normerset-
zenden Absprachen §§ 35, 36 UGB-KomE und die dazu gehörige  
Begründung UGB-KomE
S. 501 ff., sowie §§ 130 - 136 IGB (3. Teil 1. Kapitel 6. Abschnitt).


Help please!!


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Re: [NTG-context] [found it!] backward compatibility

[Steffen Wolfrum]

I had a closer look at the specific lines and now I guess I found the  
change:

[e.g.] AGB|-|Recht

There is no hyphenation at |-| points anymore!!!


How could this happen?

Steffen

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Re: [NTG-context] backward compatibility [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 07.12.2007 um 10:36 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> switch to ec encoding and see what happens ... in the past there  
> were no texnansi cmr files (only pseudo ec == aer)


no improvement: still the new, wrong linebreaks ...


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[NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(

So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like  
"\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}").
This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the  
body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].

Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these  
files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective \mainlanguage 
[deo] and [de] ?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Wolfgang,


Am 08.12.2007 um 10:18 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 2007/12/8, Henning Hraban Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think he mean the old methods write for example umlauts and other
> accents. You write "a to get ä, "s to get ß ...
>
> The last user how needed this suport for german was Steffen Wolfrum


Did I? I use utf-8 (or at least texnansi) encoded documents as  
input ... so no need for "a to get ä, "s to get ß at all!!!


> but the active characters are disabled by default and ConTeXt has it's
> commands to allow hyphens before compund words.


... or do you mean something else (hyphens? compound words?)?


Steffen

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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 12.12.2007 um 07:50 schrieb Peter Münster:

> I'm german, and I don't see any reason for keeping those mappings.
>
>>> I would vote against supporting them ("a, "o, "u) in LuaTeX, but  
>>> it's
>>> not up to me.
>>
>> nobody voted in favor so far ...
>
> I vote against too.

Same for me.


> The only mappings, that make sense to me:
> -- and --- since it's difficult to distinguish them from "-" in a
> text-editor
> and "~" since it's difficult to distinguish the utf unbreakable  
> space from
> normal space in a text-editor.

That's exactly my experience too.
These mappings are used and still needed.

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 11.12.2007 um 16:16 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(
>>
>> So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like
>> "\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}").
>> This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the
>> body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].
>>
>> Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these
>> files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective  
>> \mainlanguage
>> [deo] and [de] ?
>
> you can copy them to lang-de.hyp
>
> of just :
>
>
> \mainlangage[de] \input yourfile.tex


is there [with mkii] a better / more economical way to write those  
yourfile.tex collections than

\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}
\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tun-gen}
\hyphenation{Be-triebs-prü-fung}
\hyphenation{Be-triebs-prü-fun-gen}
\hyphenation{Teil-as-pek-te}
\hyphenation{Teil-as-pek-ten}


??


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Re: [NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 11.12.2007 um 16:16 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(
>>
>> So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like
>> "\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}").
>> This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the
>> body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].
>>
>> Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these
>> files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective  
>> \mainlanguage
>> [deo] and [de] ?
>
> you can copy them to lang-de.hyp
>
> of just :
>
>
> \mainlangage[de] \input yourfile.tex


Thanks Taco...

\hyphenation{
Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung
Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tun-gen
Be-triebs-prü-fung
Be-triebs-prü-fun-gen
Teil-as-pek-te
Teil-as-pek-ten
}


... but this works only when included in a specific "component" but  
not for an entire project.
When \hyphenation{...} is written in the environment file it doesn't  
work (same for writing \mainlangage[de] \input MyCompound.tex in the  
environment file).

???

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 11.12.2007 um 16:16 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(
>>
>> So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like
>> "\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}").
>> This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the
>> body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].
>>
>> Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these
>> files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective  
>> \mainlanguage
>> [deo] and [de] ?
>
> you can copy them to lang-de.hyp


this looks like a clean way (assigns automatically with the chosen  
\mainlanguage).

by default lang-de.hyp is empty ... does this indicate that it is  
actually meant for user entries?


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[NTG-context] ghost in data ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

on my machine, viewed with various text-editors the two sym-lines are  
identical:

\starttext

\startitemize[width=25mm]

\sym{i.\‚V.}in Verbindung% ERROR
%\sym{i.\,V.}in Verbindung% NO ERROR

\stopitemize

\stoptext


Nevertheless, the first one gives an error (see below), the second  
goes fine ...

Is this reproducible via email + copy&paste ?

Steffen



! Undefined control sequence.
 i.\‚V
.
\doattributes ...sname [EMAIL PROTECTED] \endcsname \fi {#4
   }\dostopattributes
\dolistitem ...itional \symbollistitem \symsymbol
   \else  
\doitemattributes \i...

\complexdoitemgroupitem ...obreak \fi \dolistitem
   \relax  
\ifconditional \pac...

i
l.9 \sym{i.\‚V.}i
n Verbindung% ERROR
?



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Re: [NTG-context] ghost in data ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 15.12.2007 um 19:59 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:

> Hi Steffen,
>
>
>> on my machine, viewed with various text-editors the two sym-lines are
>> identical:
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startitemize[width=25mm]
>>
>> \sym{i.\‚V.}in Verbindung% ERROR
>
> this ',' is in reality a SINGLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK (U+210A) and  
> this one
>
>> %\sym{i.\,V.}in Verbindung% NO ERROR
>
> U+002C, a simple COMMA.


Uff, no ghosts ... that's good news o)

But – Patrick you work on Mac, too – in which editor/application can  
I actually *see* a difference?


Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] ghost in data ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 15.12.2007 um 20:58 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:

> Hello Steffen,
>
>>> this ',' is in reality a SINGLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK (U+210A) and
>
> (thanks Arthur for the correction!)
>
>> But – Patrick you work on Mac, too – in which editor/application can
>> I actually *see* a difference?
> ...


> Another comment: could it be that your computer clock is one day back?
> Your mails appear as if they were created yesterday.
>
> (Nice way to push deadlines, though :))


Exactly: As I nearly got mad yesterday, for I couldn't see a  
difference between \, and \‚ (and my document didn't want run for  
that error) I wanted to try all text-editor related software that I  
could found on my machine, also a beta that expired on 15th December ...

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] ghost in data ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 15.12.2007 um 22:07 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> Am 2007-12-15 um 20:58 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:
>
>>> But – Patrick you work on Mac, too – in which editor/application can
>>> I actually *see* a difference?
>>
>> Don't ask me. I've used emacs and asked it (C-u C-x =) to get me
>> information on the character and it told me the unicode
>> codepoint.
>
> I'm on a Mac, too.
> I use TextWrangler (free edition of BBedit, http://www.barebones.com/
> products/textwrangler/download.shtml), there you can open (and re-
> open) a file in different encodings - i.e. open a UTF encoded file as
> ISO-Latin-1, enable "show invisibles" and you can see the whole cruft.
> Or look at a hex dump.



That's right. I love TextWrangler too. Just the fixed-width Monaco  
doesn't show a visual difference between \‚ and \,
But the trick with re-opening the UTF encoded file with ISO-Latin-1  
is nice: now finally the difference is viewable!!

Just to have a proper (fixed-width) font that pays respect to this  
difference (like between – and -) would be great!!

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[NTG-context] hyphenation again (mkii)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

please have a look at the following minimal (4 text-lines):


\hyphenation{Er-gän-zungs-lie-fe-rung}
\showframe

\starttext

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this should brake after Ergän-

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this does brake after Ergän-

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this does NOT brake after 26.

\stoptext


I need a thinspace that prevents line-break between "26." and  
"Ergänzungslieferung".
On the other hand this thinspace shouldn't kill my hyphenation points  
(i.e. the word should stay breakable)!

Any idea?


Thanks,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation again (mkii)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 17.12.2007 um 14:54 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

> Hi,
>
> please have a look at the following minimal (4 text-lines):
>
>
> \hyphenation{Er-gän-zungs-lie-fe-rung}
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this should brake after Ergän-
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this does brake after Ergän-
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this does NOT brake after 26.
>
> \stoptext
>
>
> I need a thinspace that prevents line-break between "26." and
> "Ergänzungslieferung".
> On the other hand this thinspace shouldn't kill my hyphenation points
> (i.e. the word should stay breakable)!


The tilde sign "~" would be perfect, it is just to wide:

\hyphenation{
Er-gän-zungs-lie-fe-rung
}
\showframe
\starttext

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text 26.~Ergänzungslieferung% this should brake after Ergän-

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text 26.~Ergänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text 26.\,Er-gänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.

Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text 26.\,Er-gänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.

\stoptext


Is there something that is narrow as \, or \thinspace but behaves  
(see above) like ~ ???

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[NTG-context] \version[temporary]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I don't know how many of you know/use this command above. It is quite  
useful for finding over-full lines and for controlling index/register  
marks.

Unfortunately sometime the info printed for "Registers" is really  
hard to read (see example below).

\definepapersize[steffen][width=15.7cm,height=23.2cm]
\setuppapersize[steffen][steffen]
\setuplayout
[width=113mm,height=576pt,
backspace=20mm,topspace=15mm,
header=12pt,headerdistance=6pt,
footer=42pt,footerdistance=0pt,
location=middle,marking=off,grid=no]
\version[temporary]
\showframe
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{text\footnote{note\index{keyword}}\par}
\stoptext


Thus, I'd like to ask: How can I
1) kill the "References" footnote (do't need it)
2) move the "Registers" info 2cm to the right in the margin?

Thank you,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation again (mkii) [solved]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Wolfgang knew the answer, and as the solution is so brilliant I don't  
want to be selfish about this treasure:

\definetextmodediscretionary ThinSpace
   {\penalty\plustenthousand\hskip.166em\relax}

\definetextmodediscretionary ThickSpace
   {\penalty\plustenthousand\hskip.277em\relax}

... and in situations like "today is the 204.|ThinSpace|anniversary  
of the death of Johann Gottfried von Herder" you will avoid an  
unintended line-break after "204." but will keep all hyphenation  
points in "anniversary". And that's great.

Cheers Johann Gottfried, btw!!

Steffen



Am 18.12.2007 um 11:05 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

>
> Am 17.12.2007 um 14:54 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> please have a look at the following minimal (4 text-lines):
>>
>>
>> \hyphenation{Er-gän-zungs-lie-fe-rung}
>> \showframe
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
>> text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this should brake after Ergän-
>>
>> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
>> text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this does brake after Ergän-
>>
>> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
>> text text 26.|\,|Ergänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.
>>
>> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
>> text text 26.\,Ergänzungslieferung% this does NOT brake after 26.
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> I need a thinspace that prevents line-break between "26." and
>> "Ergänzungslieferung".
>> On the other hand this thinspace shouldn't kill my hyphenation points
>> (i.e. the word should stay breakable)!
>
>
> The tilde sign "~" would be perfect, it is just to wide:
>
> \hyphenation{
> Er-gän-zungs-lie-fe-rung
> }
> \showframe
> \starttext
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text 26.~Ergänzungslieferung% this should brake after Ergän-
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text text 26.~Ergänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text text 26.\,Er-gänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.
>
> Text text text text text text text text text text text text text text
> text text 26.\,Er-gänzungslieferung% this should NOT brake after 26.
>
> \stoptext
>
>
> Is there something that is narrow as \, or \thinspace but behaves
> (see above) like ~ ???
>
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[NTG-context] (mkii) language-specific options for \placeregister[index] ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

the following (with mkii) is probably not the most pressuring topic  
to most of you  ... apologies!


Although I have set \mainlanguage[de]   the register seems to be  
unaffected. All my cultural heritage (i.e. the Umaut) is ignored!!!

o(

The problem is the sorting – keywords containing umlauts seem to be  
sorted after "e":

Bestimmung
Bühler
Bildung


Are there language-specific arguments/options for   \placeregister[index]?

Thanks,

Steffen


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Re: [NTG-context] \version[temporary]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

... and what about moving it a bit to the right? 10mm maybe?

Steffen



Am 19.12.2007 um 13:00 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 2007/12/18, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't know how many of you know/use this command above. It is quite
>> useful for finding over-full lines and for controlling index/register
>> marks.
>>
>> Unfortunately sometime the info printed for "Registers" is really
>> hard to read (see example below).
>>
>> \definepapersize[steffen][width=15.7cm,height=23.2cm]
>> \setuppapersize[steffen][steffen]
>> \setuplayout
>> [width=113mm,height=576pt,
>> backspace=20mm,topspace=15mm,
>> header=12pt,headerdistance=6pt,
>> footer=42pt,footerdistance=0pt,
>> location=middle,marking=off,grid=no]
>> \version[temporary]
>> \showframe
>> \starttext
>> \dorecurse{10}{text\footnote{note\index{keyword}}\par}
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> Thus, I'd like to ask: How can I
>> 1) kill the "References" footnote (do't need it)
>> 2) move the "Registers" info 2cm to the right in the margin?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Steffen
>
> \unprotect
>
> \startconstants all
>   register: register
>  float: float
> \stopconstants
>
> \def\dodoversion[#1][#2]%
>   {\processaction
>  [#1]
>  [\v!final=>\chardef\conceptmode\zerocount
> \overfullrule\zeropoint,
> \v!concept=>\chardef\conceptmode\plusone,  % simple banner
>\v!file=>\chardef\conceptmode\plustwo,  % full banner
>   \v!temporary=>\chardef\conceptmode\plusthree % full banner plus
> \overfullrule5\points]%% info in the  
> margin
>\def\dodocommand##1=##2\relax
>  {\processaction
> [##2]
> [\v!yes=>\setvalue{##1info}{\csname\s!do##1info\endcsname},
>   \v!no=>\letvalue{##1info}\gobbletwoarguments]}%
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>\processcommalist[#2]\docommand}
>
> \def\doversion[#1][#2]%
>   {\ifsecondargument
>  \dodoversion[#1][#2]%
>\else
>  \doifassignmentelse{#1}
>{\dodoversion[][#1]}
>{\dodoversion[#1][]}%
>\fi}
>
> \def\version
>   {\dodoubleempty\doversion}
>
> \def\doreferenceinfo{\dotestinfo\referenceinfobox}
> \def\doregisterinfo  {\dotestinfo\registerinfobox}
> \def\dofloatinfo {\dotestinfo\floatinfobox}
>
> \version[\v!final][\c!reference=\v!yes,\c!register=\v!yes,\c!float= 
> \v!yes]
>
> \protect
>
> \version[temporary][reference=no]
> %\version[temporary]
> %\version[reference=no]
>
> \definepapersize[test][width=157mm,height=232mm]
> \setuppapersize[test][test]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [width=113mm,
>backspace=20mm,
>location=middle,
>   ]
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{10}{text\footnote{note\index{keyword}}\par}
> \stoptext
>
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Re: [NTG-context] \version[temporary]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Jesus!
Two pages of source code for just some millimeters moving ;o) thank  
you very, very much!!

Now, finally, I can actually read the info that \version[temporary]  
prints on all my pages ... great.


Steffen



Am 20.12.2007 um 09:15 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 2007/12/19, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> ... and what about moving it a bit to the right? 10mm maybe?
>>
>> Steffen
>
> Hi Steffen,
>
> take a look at the following solution, you can change the distance
> to the right margin with the distance (you can also use negativ  
> values),
> the width key has no real effect, it changes only the length of the  
> box
> for the info text.
>
> \unprotect
>
> \definesystemvariable {vs} % VerSion
>
> \startconstants all
>   register: register
>  float: float
> \stopconstants
>
> \def\dodoversion[#1][#2]%
>   {\processaction
>  [#1]
>  [\v!final=>\chardef\conceptmode\zerocount
> \overfullrule\zeropoint,
> \v!concept=>\chardef\conceptmode\plusone,  % simple banner
>\v!file=>\chardef\conceptmode\plustwo,  % full banner
>   \v!temporary=>\chardef\conceptmode\plusthree % full banner plus
> \overfullrule5\points]%% info in the  
> margin
>\getparameters[\??vs][#2]%
>\doifelse\@@vsreference\v!yes
>  {\let\referenceinfo\doreferenceinfo}
>  {\let\referenceinfo\gobbletwoarguments}%
>\doifelse\@@vsregister\v!yes
>  {\let\registerinfo\doregisterinfo}
>  {\let\egisterinfo\gobbletwoarguments}%
>\doifelse\@@vsfloat\v!yes
>  {\let\floatreference\dofloatreference}
>  {\let\floatreference\gobbletwoarguments}}
>
> \def\doversion[#1][#2]%
>   {\ifsecondargument
>  \dodoversion[#1][#2]%
>\else
>  \doifassignmentelse{#1}
>{\dodoversion[][#1]}
>{\dodoversion[#1][]}%
>\fi}
>
> \def\version
>   {\dodoubleempty\doversion}
>
> \def\doreferenceinfo{\dotestinfo\referenceinfobox}
> \def\doregisterinfo  {\dotestinfo\registerinfobox}
> \def\dofloatinfo {\dotestinfo\floatinfobox}
>
> \def\doaddstatusinfo#1%
>   {\setbox#1\vbox to \paperheight
>  {\vsmashbox#1\box#1%
>   \offinterlineskip
>   \vskip\topspace
>   \hsize\paperwidth
>   \hfill\hbox{\placetestinfo\hskip\@@vsdistance}\vss
>   \settexthoffset\hskip\texthoffset % b
>  %\tlap{\placeversioninfo}\vskip.5cm}}
>   \vbox to 1cm{\vss\placeversioninfo\vss}}}
>
> \def\dotestinfo#1#2#3%
>   {\ifinpagebody\else\ifnum\conceptmode=\plusthree
>  \begingroup
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>\xdef\extratestinfo
>  {#2\space\ascii}%
>\gdef\totaltestinfo
>  {\global\setbox#1\vbox
> {\unvbox#1\relax
>  \infofont \setupinterlinespace
>  \hbox
>{\strut
> \expanded{\doboundtext{\extratestinfo}{\@@vswidth} 
> {..}}%
> \quad}}}%
>  \endgroup
>  \ifinner
>\aftergroup\totaltestinfo
>  \else
>\totaltestinfo
>  \fi
>\fi\fi}
>
> \version
>   [\v!final]
>   [\c!reference=\v!yes,
>\c!register=\v!yes,
>\c!float=\v!yes,
>\c!distance=.5cm,
>\c!width=12em]
>
> \protect
>
> \version[temporary][reference=no,distance=-5pt]
> %\version[temporary]
> %\version[reference=no]
>
> \definepapersize[test][width=157mm,height=232mm]
> \setuppapersize[test][test]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [width=113mm,
>backspace=20mm,
>location=middle]
>
> %\showframe
>
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{10}{text\footnote{note\index{keyword}}\par}
> \stoptext
>
> @Hans: Is \conceptmode a global macro I could myself in a third  
> party module.
>
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[NTG-context] \setuplayout with marking but WITHOUT number

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

see the following example, please:

\definepapersize[Small][width=15cm,height=7.5cm]
\setuppapersize[Small][A46,landscape]
\setuplayout
[width=15cm,height=7.5cm,backspace=-0cm,
location=middle,marking=on,grid=no]
\starttext\setupheadertexts[]
\centerline{TEXT}
\stoptext


How do I get rid of the four little "1" ???

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] \setuplayout with marking but WITHOUT number

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Or even worse, how do I get rid of those fat white numbers in the  
nice color fields:

\setupcolors[state=start]
\definepapersize[Small][width=15cm,height=7.5cm]
\setuppapersize[Small][A46,landscape]
\setuplayout
[width=15cm,height=7.5cm,backspace=-0cm,
location=middle,marking=color,grid=no]
\starttext\setupheadertexts[]
\centerline{TEXT}
\stoptext


Steffen


Am 21.12.2007 um 18:40 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

> Hi,
>
> see the following example, please:
>
> \definepapersize[Small][width=15cm,height=7.5cm]
> \setuppapersize[Small][A46,landscape]
> \setuplayout
>   [width=15cm,height=7.5cm,backspace=-0cm,
>   location=middle,marking=on,grid=no]
> \starttext\setupheadertexts[]
> \centerline{TEXT}
> \stoptext
>
>
> How do I get rid of the four little "1" ???
>
> Steffen

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[NTG-context] register

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

for fine-tuning the TOC I use e.g. ...

\writebetweenlist [section] {\def\TOCstyle{\switchtobodyfont[9pt] 
\setupinterlinespace[line=11.15pt]}}

... for adjusting the vertical space and thus the page breaks.


Is is possible to do something similar to the register?

Steffen

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[NTG-context] showframe - showgrid = 2pt ??

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hans,

I know I've asked you this before ... I just can't find the answer  
anymore ;o(
Look at line 43:


\newdimen\XVertikal
\XVertikal=12pt

\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=\XVertikal]

\setuplayout
[width=113mm,height=\the\dimexpr48\XVertikal-2pt\relax,
backspace=20mm,topspace=15mm,
header=\XVertikal,headerdistance=0.5\XVertikal,
footer=3.5\XVertikal,footerdistance=0pt,
location=middle,marking=on,grid=yes]

\showframe
\showgrid
\starttext
bla
\stoptext


... when "height" is made 2pt smaller then it fits:


\newdimen\XVertikal
\XVertikal=12pt

\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=\XVertikal]

\setuplayout
[width=113mm,height=\the\dimexpr48\XVertikal-2pt\relax,
backspace=20mm,topspace=15mm,
header=\XVertikal,headerdistance=0.5\XVertikal,
footer=3.5\XVertikal,footerdistance=0pt,
location=middle,marking=on,grid=yes]

\showframe
\showgrid
\starttext
bla
\stoptext


Does this difference has a specific purpose?
Would you recommend *not* to use the second?


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[NTG-context] \placeregister[index][compress=yes] BROKEN ??

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

please have a look at following minimal:

\starttext

\placeregister[index][compress=no] \blank[5*big]
\placeregister[index][compress=yes]

\page
test text \index{test index}
\section{heading}
more test text \index{test index}
\section{heading}
more test text \index{test index}
%\page test text% <--- comment / uncomment this line
\page
\section{heading text \index{test index}}
more test text \index{test index}
\page
test text \index{test index}
\section{heading text \index{test index}}
more test text \index{test index}

\stoptext


The "compress=yes" seems to be corrupt.

Steffen
(I am using vers. 2008.01.03)


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[NTG-context] {{ double braces }}

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I would like to use in my documents double braces for the footnote –  
for easily matching entire footnotes with RegEx  (thus it can't  
confuse with the nested braces) ...

text\footnote{{this is {\it one} tiny note\index{note}!}}

... and match the entire footnote with search regex for \\footnote\{\ 
{.+\}\}


Is this save? Or are there unwanted side-effects when using \footnote 
{{ ... }} ?

Steffen



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Re: [NTG-context] {{ double braces }}

[Steffen Wolfrum]

math formula is one of the few things I definitely don't have to take  
care for =o)
up to now ...

thanks for the tip!

steffen


Am 21.01.2008 um 16:02 schrieb Mikael Persson:

> Hi Steffen,
>
> I don't really know regex, but how does your double brace work with
> the following
>
> \footnote{{This $\frac{a}{b^{c+d}}$ is a strange footnote}}
>
> note the double }} in the math formula.
>
> /Micke P
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 3:45 PM, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to use in my documents double braces for the footnote –
>> for easily matching entire footnotes with RegEx  (thus it can't
>> confuse with the nested braces) ...
>>
>> text\footnote{{this is {\it one} tiny note\index{note}!}}
>>
>> ... and match the entire footnote with search regex for \\footnote\{\
>> {.+\}\}
>>
>>
>> Is this save? Or are there unwanted side-effects when using \footnote
>> {{ ... }} ?
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>
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[NTG-context] pdfsync / editsnc

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

in the garden I read that editsnc in 2003 was regarded the successor  
of pdfsync.

Anybody has experience with one of them?


Or the other way round: I am interested in pdf/source sync. Any  
recommendations?

Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] pdfsync / editsnc ==> Fatal error occurred

[Steffen Wolfrum]

First I thought I found the reason for not-working in a typo:
the module is called m-editsnc, the respective file in the source is  
named m-edtsnc.

But renaming the file doesn't  improve much.
I assumed the following should work:

\enablemode[demo]
\usemodule[m-editsnc]
\doifnotmode{demo}{\endinput}

\chardef\editsynctracemode=3

\starttext

\chapter{Test}

\processfile{tufte}

\startitemize
\item first
\item second
\stopitemize

\processfile{tufte}

\startlines
some local \editsync sync and \editsynctext{here}a marked point
some local \editsync sync and \editsyncnode{here}a marked point
\stoplines

\stoptext


But it ends up in (complete error see below):
!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!


The same with m-pdfsync:
!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!


Someone can help here?

Thanks,

Steffen

-

! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [grouping levels=255].
\setnormalbaselines ...lineheight \fi \begingroup
   \scratchdimen  
\minimumstru...

\spacing ...pthfactor \by #1\\\setnormalbaselines
   \setstrut
 ...getspacing \spacing \!!plusone
   \everypar \emptytoks
\forgetall ->\the \everyforgetall

\editsynctracer ...e \else \begingroup \forgetall
   \disableeditsync  
\ifcase \...

\dosetstrut ...int \setbox \strutbox \normalhbox {
   \vrule \!!width  
\zeropoint...
...
l.191 \chapter{Test}

!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
Transcript written on Ohne-Titel.log.
TeXExec | runtime: 0.554228

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Re: [NTG-context] \placeregister[index][compress=yes] BROKEN ??

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 28.01.2008 um 18:45 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> please have a look at following minimal:
>
> I can confirm that it is indeed broken, but because of the
> mkii/mkiv split, it is hard for me to track the exact cause.
> Do you happen to know when the last moment (i.e. context release)
> was that it *did* work?


Not ad hoc.
But I can run some tests tomorrow.


Thanks,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] \placeregister[index][compress=yes] BROKEN ??

[Steffen Wolfrum]

In context version 20070417 it works. The next one (2007-07-24) fails.

Yours,
Steffen



Am 28.01.2008 um 18:45 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> please have a look at following minimal:
>
> I can confirm that it is indeed broken, but because of the
> mkii/mkiv split, it is hard for me to track the exact cause.
> Do you happen to know when the last moment (i.e. context release)
> was that it *did* work?
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \placeregister[index][compress=no] \blank[5*big]
>> \placeregister[index][compress=yes]
>>
>> \page
>> test text \index{test index}
>> \section{heading}
>> more test text \index{test index}
>> \section{heading}
>> more test text \index{test index}
>> %\page test text% <--- comment / uncomment this line
>> \page
>> \section{heading text \index{test index}}
>> more test text \index{test index}
>> \page
>> test text \index{test index}
>> \section{heading text \index{test index}}
>> more test text \index{test index}
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> The "compress=yes" seems to be corrupt.
>>
>> Steffen
>> (I am using vers. 2008.01.03)
>>
>>
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[NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I have often seen (in arabic newpapers) the percentage sign set left  
to the number "% 18".
Recently I read an article (http://sehstoerung.sonance.net/pdfs/ 
TitusNemeth_dissertation.pdf) that calls this "... the incorrect  
placement of the percentage sign".

Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ??


Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 31.01.2008 um 16:08 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid:

>> Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ??
>
> It really depends on where you live. In Persian, 18% is common, among
> Arabs, %18. Both languages are left-to-right, but there is more  
> than one
> convention for dealing with mathematical directionality.
>
> Some of these issues are still being worked about in the Arabic-script
> world.


That's what I suspected ...

> These subtlties need to be addressed for proper high-level handling of
> Arabic-script in ConTeXt/mkiv.


Yes!!

> Best wishes
> Idris


Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Otared,

Am 01.02.2008 um 08:07 schrieb Otared Kavian:

> Hi all,
>
> I checked in some Persian printed books, and noticed that the rule is
> to write 18% or rather
>
> ۱۸%
>
> However I don't know of any book in Persian on rules of typography.
> But I am asking some people in Iran about the issue.
>
> Regarding the treatment of numbers, indeed numbers are written (and
> read…) in the usual way, but in XeConTeXt or in XeTeX (I don't know
> still how to typeset an Arabic or Persian file with mkiv LuaTeX),
> there is an issue with separators of digits: for instance if one
> writes (in the source file)
>
> ۱۲۳ ۴۵۶ ۷۸۹
>
> (meaning 123 456 789, using a space as a separator between thousands)
> then one gets in the typeset file
>
> ۷۸۹ ۴۵۶ ۱۲۳
>
> that is 789 456 123. To overcome this issue one may write
>
> \beginL
> ۱۲۳ ۴۵۶ ۷۸۹
> \endL
>
> and then the output is correct, ...



Maybe I missed the point: don't both lines produce the same output:  
۱۲۳ ۴۵۶ ۷۸۹ ?


\TeXXeTstate=1
\definedfont["GeezaPro" at 16pt]

\starttext
۱۲۳ ۴۵۶ ۷۸۹

\beginL
۱۲۳ ۴۵۶ ۷۸۹
\endL

\stoptext


... or was this a confusion of multi-script e-mails?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt logo with cows

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Are you preparing the new T-shirts? ;o)

Steffen


Am 05.02.2008 um 16:18 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> Hello Taco (or other cow fans),
>
> What's the easiest way to get the ConTeXt logo with the cow font
> (possibly in mkiv, but not neccessary)? Do I need to use "low-level"
> (Lua) or is there already some kind of \getglyph{C_o_n_T_e_X_t}
> already available?
>
> Thanks a lot,
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[NTG-context] halfline broken

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Since context version: 2008.01.28 up to now there is an error when  
running the file attached below:

! Undefined control sequence.
\dodosetupwhitespace ...g \witruimteflexibelfalse
   \ctxparskip 1 
\ctxparskip \...
l.31 \setupwhitespace[halfline]

?
Process aborted


(In context version: 2008.01.03 it still works.)


Steffen



\chardef\baselinegridmode=1 % not the default !

\def\dodosetupwhitespace % can go in core (or cont-new)
   {\ifgridsnapping
  \witruimteflexibelfalse
  \ctxparskip1\ctxparskip
  \ifdim\ctxparskip>\zeropoint
\ifcase\baselinegridmode
  \ctxparskip\baselineskip % normal ! ! ! ! !!
\or
  \ifdim\scratchdimen=\baselineskip % maybe range
\ctxparskip\baselineskip % normal ! ! ! ! !!
  \else
\ctxparskip\numexpr
\ctxparskip/\dimexpr.5\lineheight\relax\relax\dimexpr.5\lineheight\relax
  \fi
\else
  \ctxparskip\baselineskip % normal ! ! ! ! !!
\fi
  \fi
\else
  \ifwitruimteflexibel \else \ctxparskip1\ctxparskip \fi
\fi
\parskip\ctxparskip}

\starttext

\setuplayout[grid=yes] \showstruts \showgrid \showgridboxes

\setupwhitespace[halfline]

\setuphead[section][grid=fit]

\section{Heading One}

\input tufte

\input knuth

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] halfline broken

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Thanks, Peter and Taco!

Am 06.02.2008 um 08:44 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Since context version: 2008.01.28 up to now there is an error when
>> running the file attached below:
>>
>> ! Undefined control sequence.
>> \dodosetupwhitespace ...g \witruimteflexibelfalse
>>\ctxparskip 1
>
> In the core, the
>\newif \witruimteflexibel
> became
>\newconditional \flexiblewhitespace
>
> so the get the same effect as the old \witruimteflexibelfalse
> and \ifwit... you now need \setfalse\flexiblewhitespace and
> \ifconditional\flexiblewhitespace.
>
> As Peter said: see core-spa.tex for details


Interesting lecture ... just, why does the file read:  file=core-spa,  
version=1997.03.31 ?

I hadn't expected changes by this version date.

Steffen

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Re: [NTG-context] {{ double braces }}

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Actually I use this to highlight footnotes in my texteditor: colorize  
entire footnotes for for easier reading.

I am quite happy to have (on MacOSX) a text-editor that gives such  
"syntax coloring" flexibility: it is Satoshi Matsumoto's Jedit X. And  
here RegularExpressions are used for that purpose.

If someone knows an editor that does "syntax coloring" with lua or  
gema, I'd be very interested!

Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt logo with cows

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 06.02.2008 um 19:00 schrieb Jean Magnan de Bornier:

> Le 06 février à 18:12:30 Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> écrit notamment:
>
> | Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> | >> http://video.kiberpipa.org/media/POT_Mojca_Miklavec-ConTeXt- 
> Latex_v_novi_preobleki/raw.html
> | >
> | >   The Content-Type is wrong :-D  (Actually, missing  
> altogether ...)
> | >
> | >> p.s. the presentation is in Slovene, but you can still admire  
> the costume and
> | >> the cowfont ;)

Where is the cowfont actually ?


> | >   Grml, missing Theora codecs somehow ... but well, I still  
> heard what I
> | > was supposed to :-)
>>
> | it views ok on windows (uses java plugin in video streaming in  
> internet
> | explorer; firefox just want to download it); but i need an  
> additional
> | realtime babelfish plugin i fear
>
> No problem to watch it with firefox on linux (clicking on the first  
> link);
> on the "video" link, it wants to download the film.


Same on Mac (10.4) here.

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Re: [NTG-context] {{ double braces }}

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Am 06.02.2008 um 20:20 schrieb Hans van der Meer:

> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> Actually I use this to highlight footnotes in my texteditor: colorize
>> entire footnotes for for easier reading.
>>
>> I am quite happy to have (on MacOSX) a text-editor that gives such
>> "syntax coloring" flexibility: it is Satoshi Matsumoto's Jedit X. And
>> here RegularExpressions are used for that purpose.
>>
>> If someone knows an editor that does "syntax coloring" with lua or
>> gema, I'd be very interested!
>
> BBEdit on MacOSX also recognizes lua files, at least in version 8.7.2

Sure, but how does that affect syntax coloring??

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[NTG-context] project structure (bug?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

does it make sense that eg

\clubpenalty=1

doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
It must be repeated at top of each single component in order to work.

I am wondering what else works only when written in component (and is  
silently ignored although written in my environment-file) ...

Steffen

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Re: [NTG-context] project structure (bug?)

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Am 08.02.2008 um 17:19 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Am 08.02.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>>
>>>
>>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> does it make sense that eg
>>>>
>>>> \clubpenalty=1
>>>>
>>>> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
>>> I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).
>>>
>>> This should work even in the environment file:
>>>
>>>\def\defaultclubpenalty {1}
>>>\setdefaultpenalties
>>
>>
>>
>> And all of them like this?
>>
>> \def\defaultclubpenalty {1}
>> \def\defaultwidowpenalty {1}
>> \def\defaultdisplaywidowpenalty {1}
>> \def\defaultbrokenpenalty {0}
>>
>> \setdefaultpenalties
>>
>>
>> I experienced also very interesting differences between setting in
>> environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] and in component \setuplayout
>> [grid=yes]
>> compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes] .
>>
>> As working with grid is in itself quite fragile (and surprising) I
>> guess this is not explainable / avoidable?
>
>
> grid mode has a separate set of defaults, yes. See core-spa.tex
> (easier for me than writing it all down)


What about the difference in writing in
environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] plus in component \setuplayout 
[grid=yes]
compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes]

Why does this make a difference?

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Re: [NTG-context] project structure (bug?)

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Am 08.02.2008 um 18:19 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> Why does this make a difference?
>
> see taco's answer; the layout is synchronized at certain points (those
> where dimensions may need recalculation), so any change can be made
> undone by this automatism; just use the setups to change your settings

Ah, down there it is! Thanks, found it.


% However, we will use setups:

% to be documented

... yes, glorious day when all this will be finally documented ,o)


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Re: [NTG-context] project structure (bug?)

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Am 08.02.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

>
>
> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> does it make sense that eg
>>
>> \clubpenalty=1
>>
>> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
>
> I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).
>
> This should work even in the environment file:
>
>\def\defaultclubpenalty {1}
>\setdefaultpenalties



And all of them like this?

\def\defaultclubpenalty {1}
\def\defaultwidowpenalty {1}
\def\defaultdisplaywidowpenalty {1}
\def\defaultbrokenpenalty {0}

\setdefaultpenalties


I experienced also very interesting differences between setting in  
environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] and in component \setuplayout 
[grid=yes]
compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes] .

As working with grid is in itself quite fragile (and surprising) I  
guess this is not explainable / avoidable?


Thanks,

Steffen


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[NTG-context] index register justification

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Hi,

just by chance I found this minimal example and (while showgrid) had  
a closer look at it:

\defineregister[Index][Indeces]
\showframe\showgrid
\starttext
\dorecurse{100}{
boo\Index{boo} Boo\Index{Boo}
foo\Index{foo} Foo\Index{Foo}
goo\Index{goo} Goo\Index{Goo}
\page }
\placeregister[Index][align=yes]
\stoptext

Why are the lines not fully justified?
This looks not good, esp. when the entire book is set in justified  
block!

Is this a default that can be changed?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt meeting moved to October/November

[Steffen Wolfrum]

I hope you are joking, no?!

As today is April fool's day I don't worry about your email ...
... otherwise I really would, cause as all tickets are now booked and  
payed for August!!!


Steffen



Am 01.04.2008 um 20:15 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> Hello,
>
> I'm sorry to inform you that due to some other unavoidable obligations
> at the faculty, I have been forced to move the ConTeXt meeting to 29th
> October - 3rd November, unless I will be able to find someone else to
> take over the organisation.
>
> More information to come in the following days.
>
> I'm really sorry for the incovenience,
>  Mojca
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[NTG-context] how to NOT reset subsection ONLY ??

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,


please have a look a this:


\setupsection[section-2][conversion=numbers]
\setupsection[section-3][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=no]
\setupsection[section-4][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=no]
\setupsection[section-5][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=no]

\setuphead[section][resetnumber=no]


\starttext

\chapter{aa}
\section{bbb}
\subsection{ccc}
\section{bbb}
\subsection{ccc}
\subsubsection{sss}

\chapter{aa}
\section{bbb}
\subsection{(<-should be 3) ccc}
\section{bbb}
\subsection{(<-should be 4) ccc}
\subsubsection{ddd}

\stoptext



trying to avoid resetting subsection by \setuphead[section] 
[resetnumber=no] fails:
chapter resets everything! but chapter should only reset section and  
not subsection too!!

any idea how to solve this problem (without fiddling with every  
appearance of subsection individually)??


Thank you,

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[NTG-context] Leopard and ConTeXt

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi MacUsers out there,


until yesterday I worked with 10.4 and a recent context: no problem  
(only mkII).
Today I finally set up a new machine with 10.5. and MacTeX, run  
ctxtools --updatecontext.
Running a context-file now gives me the right context-version but  
ends up with:

"TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [save size=5000]"


Well, I remember this was something about texmf.cnf (or context.cnf?).
So I changed the value to 1, remade the format but still the echo  
mentions 5000.
Some known problem with Leopard and ConTeXt? Maybe PATH stuff?

=o(


Please help!!!

Steffen

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Re: [NTG-context] Leopard and ConTeXt

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Am 09.04.2008 um 18:52 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer:

>> Well, I remember this was something about texmf.cnf (or  
>> context.cnf?).
>
>  The problem is usually that texmf.cnf is not found at all, so changes
> you make there will have no influence.  What does kpsewhich texmf.cnf
> return?

/usr/local/texlive/2007/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf

... but this isn't the right one, right?

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Re: [NTG-context] Leopard and ConTeXt

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Am 09.04.2008 um 20:41 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer:

>> /usr/local/texlive/2007/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
>>
>> ... but this isn't the right one, right?
>
>  I suppose not (it's not the file you modified, right?).  But then, as
> Thomas said, there's probably something special in your ConTeXt file  
> (I
> always had save_size = 5000 and never had any problem with it).  For
> this purpose, it might be sensible to modify TeXLive / MacTeX's
> texmf.cnf (this is generally frowned upon, but, well it is your own
> installation).


Before modifying that file I just wanted to make sure that it's not a  
leopard/path thing I missed:
OK, I did it. Now it works fine again.

Thank you!

Steffen

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[NTG-context] ONE upright beta, please!

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Hi,

my whole project is set in Times without problems - except at one spot  
there is a "beta" needed. Just this single time!

But, unfortunately, I only get it italic:

\starttext

\usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\enableregime[utf]
\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]

$\beta$

β% same in unicode

\stoptext


For it is just this one character, used one single time, I don't feel  
encouraged to start messing around with typescripts.

Someone can give me a quick(-and-dirty) advice??


Thank,

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Re: [NTG-context] ONE upright beta, please!

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Am 22.04.2008 um 15:50 schrieb Yue Wang:

> Use LuaTeX+MKIV..


well, sure ... LuaTeX is certainly on my todolist, only not at the end  
of an almost finished project.

I assume LuaTeX is not yet mature enough for real production needs as  
MKII is, right? Taco?


Steffen


>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> my whole project is set in Times without problems - except at one  
>> spot
>> there is a "beta" needed. Just this single time!
>>
>> But, unfortunately, I only get it italic:
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
>> \setupencoding[default=texnansi]
>> \enableregime[utf]
>> \setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
>>
>> $\beta$
>>
>> β% same in unicode
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> For it is just this one character, used one single time, I don't feel
>> encouraged to start messing around with typescripts.
>>
>> Someone can give me a quick(-and-dirty) advice??
>>
>>
>> Thank,
>>
>> Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] ONE upright beta, please!

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Am 22.04.2008 um 15:50 schrieb Yue Wang:

> Use LuaTeX+MKIV.. All your code works fine and generates the right pdf
> file as attached in the mail.
>> ___
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Such a nice proper upright beta.

So it must lie somewhere in the depths of context's core source ...  
there must be a way to get it it with oldschool MKII, no?!


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Re: [NTG-context] ONE upright beta, please!

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Am 22.04.2008 um 15:52 schrieb Peter Münster:

> On Tue, Apr 22 2008, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> my whole project is set in Times without problems - except at one  
>> spot
>> there is a "beta" needed. Just this single time!
>>
>> But, unfortunately, I only get it italic:
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
>> \setupencoding[default=texnansi]
>> \enableregime[utf]
>> \setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
>>
>> $\beta$
>>
>> β% same in unicode
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> For it is just this one character, used one single time, I don't feel
>> encouraged to start messing around with typescripts.
>>
>> Someone can give me a quick(-and-dirty) advice??
>
> No messing around with typescripts needed (but very dirty):
>
> \rotate[rotation=15]{$\beta$}



hahaha, indeed quite dirty! but should do (as luatex is not  
recommended here for other reasons ...)

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Re: [NTG-context] ONE upright beta, please!

[Steffen Wolfrum]

for example (Hans in february): "under some circumstances hz may not  
work as expected ..."


I am waiting for summer / Bohinj ;o)

Steffen


Am 22.04.2008 um 16:22 schrieb Yue Wang:

> as far as i am concerned, MKIV is far better than MKII/pdftex, and
> have less bugs concerning the internationalization. I use it for
> production purpose. I typeset all my essays using luatex, because
> pdftex/MKII is messy especially on non-latin typesetting. Yes,
> LuaTeX/MKIV had bugs, but Taco and Hans can solve them:) again.
> MKII+XeTeX should also produce the right pdf. but I didn't try. (XeTeX
> is stable for production, uh?)
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Taco Hoekwater  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 22.04.2008 um 15:50 schrieb Yue Wang:
>>>
>>>> Use LuaTeX+MKIV..
>>>
>>>
>>> well, sure ... LuaTeX is certainly on my todolist, only not at the  
>>> end
>>> of an almost finished project.
>>>
>>> I assume LuaTeX is not yet mature enough for real production needs  
>>> as
>>> MKII is, right? Taco?
>>
>> No, I do not think that would be wise. Certainly not for a project  
>> that
>> is nearly finished.
>>
>>
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[NTG-context] urgent reference problem (full path)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

my current project is set up like shown below.

A serious problem is the section-reference: while section numbering  
should be in general (text and TOC) without previous number, it must  
show the full path when referenced (otherwise nobody will find "2").

Is there help?


Thank you very much,

Steffen


\definehead[EbeneEins]  [chapter]

\setupsection[section-3][conversion=Characters,previousnumber=no]
\setupsection[section-4][conversion=Romannumerals,previousnumber=no]
\setupsection[section-5][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=no]
%
%\setupsection[section-3][conversion=Characters,previousnumber=yes]
%\setupsection[section-4][conversion=Romannumerals,previousnumber=yes]
%\setupsection[section-5][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=yes]

%\def\NummerGewStyle{\switchtobodyfont[rm,10pt] 
\setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]\mr}
\def\KapitelZweiCommand#1#2%
  {\vbox \bgroup
 \framed[align=middle,frame=off,offset=0pt,width=\textwidth] 
{Abschnitt  #1\blank [6pt]}%
 \framed[align=middle,frame=off,offset=0pt,width=\textwidth]{#2}%
   \egroup}
\setuphead[EbeneEins]
[header=empty,page=yes,command= 
\KapitelZweiCommand 
,style 
=,alternative=paragraph,before={\blank[24pt]},after={\blank[14pt]}]

\starttext
\EbeneEins{Eins}
\subsection{Zuerst}
\subsubsection{Test}
\subsubsection[MyRef]{Here reference test}
\subsubsection{Test}
\subsection{Danach}
\subsubsection{Test}
\subsubsection{Test}
\section{Zwei}
\subsection{Und dann}
\subsubsection{Test}
In \in[MyRef] % should be: Abschnitt 1 I.2
\stoptext




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Re: [NTG-context] urgent reference problem (full path)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

I don't know how the section number (with/without previous number) is  
build internally, but I hope there could be a hack, with ...

setupsection[...][previousnumber=yes]% so that referencing gets the  
full path

... but a section-design like "previousnumber=no", made with ...

\setuphead[...][command=\PreviousNumberNo]


Could this be done?


Steffen



Am 24.04.2008 um 10:51 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

> Hi,
>
> my current project is set up like shown below.
>
> A serious problem is the section-reference: while section numbering
> should be in general (text and TOC) without previous number, it must
> show the full path when referenced (otherwise nobody will find "2").
>
> Is there help?
>
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Steffen
>
>
> \definehead[EbeneEins][chapter]
>
> \setupsection[section-3][conversion=Characters,previousnumber=no]
> \setupsection[section-4][conversion=Romannumerals,previousnumber=no]
> \setupsection[section-5][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=no]
> %
> %\setupsection[section-3][conversion=Characters,previousnumber=yes]
> %\setupsection[section-4][conversion=Romannumerals,previousnumber=yes]
> %\setupsection[section-5][conversion=numbers,previousnumber=yes]  
>
> %\def\NummerGewStyle{\switchtobodyfont[rm,10pt]
> \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]\mr}
> \def\KapitelZweiCommand#1#2%
>  {\vbox \bgroup
> \framed[align=middle,frame=off,offset=0pt,width=\textwidth]
> {Abschnitt  #1\blank [6pt]}%
> \framed[align=middle,frame=off,offset=0pt,width=\textwidth]{#2}%
>   \egroup}
> \setuphead[EbeneEins]
> [header=empty,page=yes,command=
> \KapitelZweiCommand
> ,style
> =,alternative=paragraph,before={\blank[24pt]},after={\blank[14pt]}]
>
> \starttext
> \EbeneEins{Eins}
> \subsection{Zuerst}
> \subsubsection{Test}
> \subsubsection[MyRef]{Here reference test}
> \subsubsection{Test}
> \subsection{Danach}
> \subsubsection{Test}
> \subsubsection{Test}
> \section{Zwei}
> \subsection{Und dann}
> \subsubsection{Test}
> In \in[MyRef] % should be: Abschnitt 1 I.2
> \stoptext
>
>
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[NTG-context] bug with hyphenatedurl

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

please have a look at the following minimal example (ran with mkii):

->

\usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\enableregime[utf]

Test text\footnote{{Z4300, Stand: 1.{|DuennRaum|}Januar\;2002,  
einsehbar unter \hyphenatedurl{http://www.thw.de/thw‑inland/ 
grundlagen/rechtsgrundlagen/abr\_rili.htm}}}

\stoptext

<-

Just shortly before handing the PDF to the printer I saw that the part  
"thw‑inland" surprisingly became "thw\dochar␣{45}inland" (at least  
on my machine)!

Is there a fix?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

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Am 30.05.2008 um 09:12 schrieb Yue Wang:

> advanced software, like InDesign


well ...  ...


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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

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Am 30.05.2008 um 14:24 schrieb Yue Wang:

> On 5/30/08, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Am 30.05.2008 um 09:12 schrieb Yue Wang:
>>
>>> advanced software, like InDesign
>>
>>
>> well ...  ...
>
> There is no denying that many advanced features in InDesign are
> missing in TeX(like) related software. What's more, the
> internationalization of InDesign is better.


;o)

... you can buy a czech version or a polish version, for working with  
hebrew you may buy a hebrew or a middle eastern version ... and wasn't  
there also an arabic version to buy?

With TeX you only have one piece for all ... and you can't even buy it.


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[NTG-context] split cells ? world lost !

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

hope the answer to my question is not too obvious: How do I split not  
only TABLE but cells?

Please, have a look at this minimal:

\starttext
\bTABLE[split=yes,option=stretch]
\bTR
\bTD
\input tufte \input knuth Hello world ...
\eTD
\bTD
\input tufte
\eTD
\bTD
\input knuth
\eTD
\eTR
\bTR
\bTD
Test
\eTD
\bTD
Test
\eTD
\bTD
Test
\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext



(Hello) world lost?

Thanks,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

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Am 30.05.2008 um 09:12 schrieb Yue Wang:

> advanced software, like InDesign



Well, ...


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[NTG-context] startregister <-> stopregister

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

converting a MSWord Doc file to TEI-XML gives me this kind of index  
range:



Verfassungsvertrag



Unfortunately in ConTeXt the register entry is required the other way  
round:

\startregister[index][knuthrange1]{Knuth}

\stopregister[index][knuthrange1]



Could it be possible also to provide something like ...

\startregister[index][Index216]

\stopregister[index][Index216]{Verfassungsvertrag}


... in mkii, please?


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[NTG-context] Switching compression on breaks start/stopregister

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

there seems to be confusion with register entries vs. register ranges.
Please have a look:


\starttext
KNUTH ONE entry \index{Knuth}
\page
\input knuth
KNUTH START\startregister[index][knuthrange1]{Knuth}
\input knuth
KNUTH END\stopregister[index][knuthrange1]
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf }
KNUTH START\startregister[index][knuthrange2]{Knuth}
\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth }
KNUTH END\stopregister[index][knuthrange2]
%\placeregister[index]% gives 1,2, 4-6
\placeregister[index][compress=yes]% gives 1-2, 4, 6
\stoptext


Switching compression on breaks start/stopregister!


Steffen

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[NTG-context] hyphenated(ugly)url [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I need to typeset a document containing several nice url's like


\enableregime[utf]
\starttext

see 
\hyphenatedurl{www.europa.eu.int/rapid/start/cgi/guesten.ksh?p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=SPEECH/00/475%7C0%7CRAPID&lg=DE
 
}

\stoptext



Any idea??

Steffen (still MKII)
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[NTG-context] foldername instead of jobname

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

marking=on often uses \jobname.

My file's name is not as important as its respective folder name.

Is it possible to read and reuse this folder's name?


Thanks,

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenated(ugly)url [URGENT]

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Yes!

St.

Am 11.07.2008 um 11:37 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Steffen Wolfrum
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to typeset a document containing several nice url's like
>>
>>
>> \enableregime[utf]
>> \starttext
>>
>> see 
>> \hyphenatedurl{www.europa.eu.int/rapid/start/cgi/guesten.ksh?p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=SPEECH/00/475%7C0%7CRAPID&lg=DE
>> }
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Any idea??
>
> Use the following patch for the moment.
>
> \let\normalhyphenatedurl\hyphenatedurl
>
> \bgroup
>
> \catcode`\%=11
>
> \gdef\hyphenatedurl
>  {\bgroup
>   \catcode`\%=11
>   \expandafter\egroup
>   \normalhyphenatedurl}
>
> \egroup
>
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[NTG-context] hyphenatedurl (WHY?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

God bless the command \hyphenatedurl{...} !

Only, I am wondering why it starts a new line not *after* but *before*  
the slash, dot or whatever there is to structure a long url.
Is this an english/dutch convention, completely different than  
paragraph wrapping? Or is it common usus, just me never noticed it  
outside ConTeXt??

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Re: [NTG-context] foldername instead of jobname

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Am 11.07.2008 um 22:44 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> In mkiv you can simply do:
>
>  \edef\foldername{\ctxlua{tex.sprint(lfs.currentdir())}}
>
> (assuming the jobname file lives inside the current directory)


quite comfortable ;o)

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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenatedurl (WHY?)

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Am 12.07.2008 um 00:50 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> God bless the command \hyphenatedurl{...} !
>>>
>>> Only, I am wondering why it starts a new line not *after* but  
>>> *before*
>>> the slash, dot or whatever there is to structure a long url.
>>> Is this an english/dutch convention, completely different than
>>
>> i just took what i liked (i.e. found less confusing); since i hate  
>> long
>> url's (one reason why one can have clickable ones with alternative
>> rendering) i don't care to much either .. anything looks bad in  
>> running
>> text -)
>
> Sometimes, you need to refer to long URLs in bibliographies. For the
> tugboat articles, I ended up doing line breaking by hand :(
>
>>> paragraph wrapping? Or is it common usus, just me never noticed it
>>> outside ConTeXt??
>>
>> in mkiv you can set up your own preferences with
>>
>> \sethyphenatedurlnormal
>> \sethyphenatedurlbefore
>> \sethyphenatedurlafter
>>
>> and in mkii you can play with
>>
>> \chardef\urlsplitmode = 1 | 2 | 3 | 4

That's it!

> Did not know about this. Thanks.

Now it is written down ... Googleable ;o)

I am happy for every secret undocumented command that is mentioned on  
this list.
Somehow this list's archive actually is the missing ConTeXt-manual ...


Steffen

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[NTG-context] serious trouble with postponefootnotes

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

in a huge document (about 450 pages 1200 footnotes) I used  
postponefootnotes/flushfootnotes.
Annoyingly this changed the page break for the entire book not only at  
the affected pages ...

Searching the archive gave me a post by horaciosuarez_at_hotmail.com  
who had a similar problem in July 2007. Unfortunately he never got an  
answer.
He used it in footnote conflicts with tables, me only in footnote  
conflicts with text, trying to avoid a bad page break.

Now I ask the same: after using postpone/flushfootnotes is there a way  
to *reset* this again?


Steffen
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