Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:18:20 +0100
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
I should think about it a bit. But just a few
possibilities ... At the
moment I use:
\startpublication
[k=xy,
t=xy]
\stoppublication
Options are:
When we think from the bibtex side, it would boil down to
processing the "keyword=" key (which is already there in
the bibtex specification). You could then order your
"publications" with terms such as "keyword=image"
"keyword=article" etc.
1.)
\startpublicationlist[images] or
\startpublications[images] or ...
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy]
\stoppublication
...
\stoppublicationlist
2.)
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy,list=images]
\stoppublication
3.)
\startpublication[images][k=xy,t=xy]
\stoppublication
And then
\placepublications[list=images]
Then \cite would work in exactly the same way (one would
not need to
provide any extra key to cite itself).
But one would need to think of a proper model to number
the
references. That is: it would have to be configurable to
be able to
either number images with roman instead of arabic
numerals (or with a,
b, c, ...), or to prepend something, like [img1],
[img2], [img3]
instead of [1], [2], [3]. Or simply let the user do "in
\cite{figure}[xy]", or to number images with numbers
bigger than other
references. For example:
Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]
Images:
[8]
[9]
or
Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[a1]
[a2]
[a3]
[a3]
Images:
[i1]
[i2]
or any other user-configurable option for numbering ...
However, having a properly designed model is better than
having some
ad-hoc solution that turns out not flexible enough or
clumsy to use
and buggy later on ...
One syntax would be
\placepublications[filter=image,prefix={img.},option=continue,numberconversion=romannumbers]
And yes, something that would allow splitting references
across
sections could just as well be used for this. It just
needs to be
designed properly ... (But section-based bibliography
could work
without any extra key, right?)
And no, please don't count it as bug report. I just
mentioned it
because Hans wanted to have "a big bunch of everything
at a single
place".
I suggest to reopen the topic and create exact
specification before
the actual implementation.
Yes, we can discuss it (on or off list) when it will be
implemented.
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 16:01, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7-12-2010 3:26, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> I have a tiny feature request.
>>
>> I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of
>> figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate
>> "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list.
>
> no big deal in mkiv i guess
>
>> But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It
>> makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way.
>>
>> Just to mention it before I forget.
>
> so how would that look at the input end? an extra key?
I should think about it a bit. But just a few possibilities ... At the
moment I use:
\startpublication
[k=xy,
t=xy]
\stoppublication
Options are:
1.)
\startpublicationlist[images] or \startpublications[images] or ...
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy]
\stoppublication
...
\stoppublicationlist
2.)
\startpublication[k=xy,t=xy,list=images]
\stoppublication
3.)
\startpublication[images][k=xy,t=xy]
\stoppublication
And then
\placepublications[list=images]
Then \cite would work in exactly the same way (one would not need to
provide any extra key to cite itself).
But one would need to think of a proper model to number the
references. That is: it would have to be configurable to be able to
either number images with roman instead of arabic numerals (or with a,
b, c, ...), or to prepend something, like [img1], [img2], [img3]
instead of [1], [2], [3]. Or simply let the user do "in
\cite{figure}[xy]", or to number images with numbers bigger than other
references. For example:
Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]
Images:
[8]
[9]
or
Books:
[1]
[2]
[3]
Articles:
[a1]
[a2]
[a3]
[a3]
Images:
[i1]
[i2]
or any other user-configurable option for numbering ...
However, having a properly designed model is better than having some
ad-hoc solution that turns out not flexible enough or clumsy to use
and buggy later on ...
And yes, something that would allow splitting references across
sections could just as well be used for this. It just needs to be
designed properly ... (But section-based bibliography could work
without any extra key, right?)
And no, please don't count it as bug report. I just mentioned it
because Hans wanted to have "a big bunch of everything at a single
place".
I suggest to reopen the topic and create exact specification before
the actual implementation.
Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:47:09 +0100 Matija uklje wrote: Dne sreda 8. decembra 2010 ob 10:08:19 je Robert Blackstone napisal(a): On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > I have a tiny feature request. > > I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of > figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate > "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. I too would be very happy with the possibility to produce a Bibliography with various sections. +1 on that. I would need to separate it by type of medium monographies, articles, links etc. This is not a bug report, so I won't include it in my test files, but just to comment on this: for a project I'm doing with ConTeXt, I will need to the ability to have a bibliography with several sections. I've discussed this with Hans, and he will write code to support filtering by keywords. We haven't yet discussed the interface etc., but this is something that will come in the spring at the very latest. Mojca, this is not the same as your original suggestion, but this looks like it would take care of the two "+1" messages, right? Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Dec 7, 2010, at 15:26 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: > I have a tiny feature request. > > I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of > figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate > "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. Hi, I would also like to support the ability to put an arbitrary number of reference lists in different locations inside one document. I once had a report that had individual reference lists at the end of several sections. I'm not sure about the best way of implementing this. E.g. how do I select which publications are in which list. One could define a special key as suggested by Hans, or select by existing BibTeX keys like author, year, publisher etc. Another possibility would be to put all references which are in a specific bib-file in one list (when you have multiple bib-files). Also, as a feature request/bug report I repeat an earlier message: In BibTeX databases ranges of numbers are usually listed with a single dash (e.g. 3-7) for compatibility reasons. Therefore the standard BibTeX styles convert a single dash in page numbers or range of numbers to a double dash (3--7). It would be great to have this functionality for \volume \issue \pages in context as well. Thanks! Florian ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
Dne sreda 8. decembra 2010 ob 10:08:19 je Robert Blackstone napisal(a): > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Mojca Miklavec > > wrote: > > Send ntg-context mailing list submissions to > > > > I have a tiny feature request. > > > > I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of > > figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate > > "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. > > I too would be very happy with the possibility to produce a > Bibliography with various sections. +1 on that. I would need to separate it by type of medium — monographies, articles, links etc. Cheers, Matija -- gsm:+386 41 849 552 www:http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:00 PM, wrote:
> I've begun summarizing the bibliography problems. Could you all see if your
> particular problem is mentioned here? If I missed something, please send your
> test files to the list or to me, please use the sample.bib which is now
> included in the minimals, and please make the test cases as short as possible.
Hi,
I have another problem: the ELECTRONIC publication, hh2010, never gets
returned or printed, even with \placepublications[criterium=all].
I noted however that ConTeXt somehow is aware of this item since it
leaves an open space where this item should have been.
This is my test file, identical to that of example 1 except for the
addition of \cite[hh2010].
\setuppublications[state=start,refcommand=authoryear]
\setupbibtex[database=sample]
\starttext
\section{Test}
This \cite[hh2010a]
and that \cite[Eijkhout1991]
and also this one \cite[hh2010].
\section{References}
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Send ntg-context mailing list submissions to > > I have a tiny feature request. > > I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of > figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate > "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. I too would be very happy with the possibility to produce a Bibliography with various sections. In my case separate sections would be needed for Manuscript Sources and Early printed versions, where the data concern mostly Libraries or Museums and things like catalogue numbers and shelf marks, and for Music (with Composer instead of Author and the possibility to indicate the whereabouts of manuscripts or early prints, and/or the name of the copyist). Incidentally, there must be many others with similar wishes, for in the past few years I have seen this topic several times on this list. Best regards, Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
On 7-12-2010 3:26, Mojca Miklavec wrote: I have a tiny feature request. I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. no big deal in mkiv i guess But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way. Just to mention it before I forget. so how would that look at the input end? an extra key? - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib problems
I have a tiny feature request. I would like to have a separate "bibliography" for, say, list of figures. Basically all I ask for is the ability to have a separate "named" bibliography as opposed to a single list. But maybe I need to elaborate a bit more before sending request. It makes no sense to implement it in the wrong and unstatisfactory way. ... Just to mention it before I forget. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] bib problems
All,
I've begun summarizing the bibliography problems. Could you all see if your
particular problem is mentioned here? If I missed something, please send your
test files to the list or to me, please use the sample.bib which is now
included in the minimals, and please make the test cases as short as possible.
Hans and Taco, one general remark: one thing that is confusing is that the
key/value pair "criterium=XXX" is present for the \setuppublications and for
the \setuppublicationlist and for the \placepublications command, yet seems to
do slightly different things in each. Maybe that's a place where the interface
should be changed?
Here's what I have so far:
% Example 1, posted in a slightly different form by "Curiouslearn" on
% 2010-11-25: Hagen 2010c is not quoted and should not be in the list of
% references. On 2010-11-26, Mathieu Boespflug made a further observation on
% the original testfile which I can't reproduce because it's too complex. Can
% you show the effect by modifying this simple case?
\setuppublications[state=start,refcommand=authoryear]
\setupbibtex[database=sample]
\starttext
\section{Test}
This \cite[hh2010a]
and that \cite[Eijkhout1991]
\section{References}
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext
% Example 2: a spurious entry [4] in the list of references.
\setuppublications[state=start,alternative=num]
\setupbibtex[database=sample]
\starttext
\section{Test}
This \cite[hh2010a]
and that \cite[Eijkhout1991]
\section{References}
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext
% Example 3, posted by Mojca on 2010-11-29: horizontal spacing of list of
% references is insufficient
\setuppublications
[alternative=num]
\setuppublicationlayout[web]{%
{\sc url}: \inserturl{}{}{}%
}
\dorecurse{1200}{\startpublication[k=a\recurselevel,t=web]
\biburl{http://pragma-ade.nl}\stoppublication}
\starttext
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext
% Example 4, posted by Charles Doherty on 2010-10-20: no references are typeset
\setuppublications[criterium=all,numbering=no]
\setupbibtex[database=sample,sort=author]
\starttext
\section{References}
\placepublications
\stoptext
Please add further short examples; I will aggregate and send everything to Hans.
Thomas
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[NTG-context] bib problems
Hi all, the last days have brought a couple of bug reports on bibliographies in ConTeXt. I will try and create a number of examples so Hans can test and debug. In order to facilitate the creation of minimal examples for all users, we have a couple of suggestions: 1. There is now a dedicated page for bibliography support on the wiki; unsurprisingly, it's at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies. For the time being, this page is just a skeleton; you are all invited to contribute. 2. The page contains a link to a sample bib file. This file will be part of the main distribution (and hence of the minimals) under context/tex/texmf-context/bibtex/bib/sample.bib. I will send this file to Hans. At the same time, it is meant as a bibliography for ConTeXt related publications. So if you build minimal examples, please try with this file first. If the error you are reporting is triggered by a certain publication type which is not yet represented in the sample file, please modify the file on your disk, but *remember to add these modifications to the file on the wiki* (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/sample_bib) and drop me a line! If you want to add further ConTeXt related publications, feel free to do so! I will send Hans and Mojca updated versions of this file which I'll pick up on the wiki. 3. As you know, priority in development is given to mkiv. The bib module for mkii was written by Taco, and as far as I understood him, it is quite unlikely that he will have the time to do extensive work on it. Later today, I will try and coordinate the bug reports I can still find in an example. Please add your reports as well. All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
