Re: [NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
Am 24.01.10 15:32, schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky: \definetypeface[winfonts][rm][specserif][Times New Roman][default] What a gift for me ant other ConTeXt users! What's is even better is the underlying system. With XeTeX and LuaTeX you can load font either by the filename (file:...) or the fontname (name:...) but since the end of last year there is a new system for MkIV. I call the system the spec-interface and it let you load a font by its familyname and value for the weight and style. The syntax for the spec-interface is: spec:familyname-fontweight-fontstyle-fontwidth A example how you can use this load 'Times New Roman Regular' is spec:timesnewroman-normal-normal for 'Times New Roman Italic' the definition is spec:timesnewroman-normal-italic and for 'Times New Roman Bold Italic' it is spec:timesnewroman-bold-italic As you can see in the definiton above where I left the 'fontwidth' out the value for fontweight, fontstyle and fontwidth are optional. Another example for the spec-interface was shown by Hans a while ago: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091120.123832.8f76eed2.en.html Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
\definetypeface[winfonts][rm][specserif][Times New Roman][default]
\definetypeface[winfonts][ss][specsans] [Arial] [default]
\definetypeface[winfonts][tt][specsmono][Courier] [default]
\definetypeface[winfonts][mm][math] [times] [default]
\starttext
Hello
{\ss Hello}
{\tt Hello}
\stoptext
Wow! This is simply fantastic!!!
What a gift for me ant other ConTeXt users!
BR,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: [NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
Am 23.01.10 20:22, schrieb Marius: The solution to my question is: \usetypescriptfile[type-win] \starttypescript [winfonts] \definetypeface [winfonts] [rm] [serif] [times] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [ss] [sans] [arial] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [tt] [mono] [courier] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [mm] [math] [times] [default] \stoptypescript \usetypescript[winfonts] \setupbodyfont[winfonts,10pt] There is another way to do this in MkIV. \definetypeface[winfonts][rm][specserif][Times New Roman][default] \definetypeface[winfonts][ss][specsans] [Arial] [default] \definetypeface[winfonts][tt][specsmono][Courier][default] \definetypeface[winfonts][mm][math] [times] [default] \setupbodyfont[winfonts] The third argument is one of the three keywords specserif, specsans or specmono and the fourth is the familyname of the font. You could use spaces and uppercase letters in the familyname because ConTeXt takes care of this and removes them itself in the definition, this system is build on top of the new spec-Interface for fonts. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
Hello all, how to set times new roman as \rm, arial as \ss and courier as \tt? \usetypescriptfile[type-win] \usetypescript[times] \usetypescript[arial] \usetypescript[courier] \setupbodyfont[times,10pt] This code sets just \rm, but \ss and \tt are left as default latin modern font. Thank you, Marius ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
Am 23.01.10 15:46, schrieb Marius: Hello all, how to set times new roman as \rm, arial as \ss and courier as \tt? When you need only the Times/Arial/Courier look you can use: \usetypescript[postscript] \setupbodyfont[postscript] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] times new roman, arial and courier fonts
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 23.01.10 15:46, schrieb Marius: Hello all, how to set times new roman as \rm, arial as \ss and courier as \tt? When you need only the Times/Arial/Courier look you can use: \usetypescript[postscript] \setupbodyfont[postscript] Thank you for the hint. The solution to my question is: \usetypescriptfile[type-win] \starttypescript [winfonts] \definetypeface [winfonts] [rm] [serif] [times] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [ss] [sans] [arial] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [tt] [mono] [courier] [default] \definetypeface [winfonts] [mm] [math] [times] [default] \stoptypescript \usetypescript[winfonts] \setupbodyfont[winfonts,10pt] ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Times New Roman
I am running the ConTeXt Minimals of 11/10 and am trying to access Times New Roman using the script \usetypescript [timesnewroman][ec] \definetypeface[timesnewroman][rm][serif][timesnewroman][default] [encoding=ec] \definebodyfont[9pt,11pt][rm][default] \setupbodyfont[timesnewroman,rm,11pt] I am not sure what I getting and I am puzzled by the log file , hence, my question: Is Times New Roman distributed with the minimals and is this the way to access it? Thanks for any help or suggestions. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: I am running the ConTeXt Minimals of 11/10 and am trying to access Times New Roman using the script \usetypescript [timesnewroman][ec] \definetypeface[timesnewroman][rm][serif][timesnewroman][default] [encoding=ec] \definebodyfont[9pt,11pt][rm][default] \setupbodyfont[timesnewroman,rm,11pt] I am not sure what I getting and I am puzzled by the log file , hence, my question: Is Times New Roman distributed with the minimals and is this the way to access it? Hello Alan, Do you need something-like-times or Times New Roman? This works: % possibly \usetypescriptfile[type-gyr] \usetypescript[times][ec] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] It will give you times-like typeface (TeX Gyre Termes), but not Times New Roman. Times New Roman is not distributied (and possibly copyrighted). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
Hi, Mojca! Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that I was getting Latin Modern instead but wanted to be sure. Termes sounds like a good alternative to me, but I had best consult the publisher, since he originally specified Times New Roman. It is apaprently no longer a typesetting problem. Again, thanks for your help. Alan On Dec 1, 2008, at 09;04,49 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: I am running the ConTeXt Minimals of 11/10 and am trying to access Times New Roman using the script \usetypescript [timesnewroman][ec] \definetypeface[timesnewroman][rm][serif][timesnewroman][default] [encoding=ec] \definebodyfont[9pt,11pt][rm][default] \setupbodyfont[timesnewroman,rm,11pt] I am not sure what I getting and I am puzzled by the log file , hence, my question: Is Times New Roman distributed with the minimals and is this the way to access it? Hello Alan, Do you need something-like-times or Times New Roman? This works: % possibly \usetypescriptfile[type-gyr] \usetypescript[times][ec] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] It will give you times-like typeface (TeX Gyre Termes), but not Times New Roman. Times New Roman is not distributied (and possibly copyrighted). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
Termes is a TeX Gyre version of Times Roman (almost the same glyphs). Times New Roman is a Microsoft version of Times Roman. Times New Roman is more illegible than Times Roman. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Alan Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mojca! Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that I was getting Latin Modern instead but wanted to be sure. Termes sounds like a good alternative to me, but I had best consult the publisher, since he originally specified Times New Roman. It is apaprently no longer a typesetting problem. Again, thanks for your help. Alan On Dec 1, 2008, at 09;04,49 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: I am running the ConTeXt Minimals of 11/10 and am trying to access Times New Roman using the script \usetypescript [timesnewroman][ec] \definetypeface[timesnewroman][rm][serif][timesnewroman][default] [encoding=ec] \definebodyfont[9pt,11pt][rm][default] \setupbodyfont[timesnewroman,rm,11pt] I am not sure what I getting and I am puzzled by the log file , hence, my question: Is Times New Roman distributed with the minimals and is this the way to access it? Hello Alan, Do you need something-like-times or Times New Roman? This works: % possibly \usetypescriptfile[type-gyr] \usetypescript[times][ec] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] It will give you times-like typeface (TeX Gyre Termes), but not Times New Roman. Times New Roman is not distributied (and possibly copyrighted). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: Hi, Mojca! Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that I was getting Latin Modern instead but wanted to be sure. Termes sounds like a good alternative to me, but I had best consult the publisher, since he originally specified Times New Roman. It is apaprently no longer a typesetting problem. It definitely makes sense to ask him, but most people (including me) do not notice the difference at all. Even if you need exactly Times New Roman, it should not be too difficult to change, but you can ask the publisher where to get the math glyphs in case he insists :) :) :) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
That is good to know, I will use it in talking with the publisher. Many thanks. Alan On Dec 1, 2008, at 09;28,08 , Yue Wang wrote: Termes is a TeX Gyre version of Times Roman (almost the same glyphs). Times New Roman is a Microsoft version of Times Roman. Times New Roman is more illegible than Times Roman. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Alan Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mojca! Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that I was getting Latin Modern instead but wanted to be sure. Termes sounds like a good alternative to me, but I had best consult the publisher, since he originally specified Times New Roman. It is apaprently no longer a typesetting problem. Again, thanks for your help. Alan On Dec 1, 2008, at 09;04,49 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: I am running the ConTeXt Minimals of 11/10 and am trying to access Times New Roman using the script \usetypescript [timesnewroman][ec] \definetypeface[timesnewroman][rm][serif][timesnewroman][default] [encoding=ec] \definebodyfont[9pt,11pt][rm][default] \setupbodyfont[timesnewroman,rm,11pt] I am not sure what I getting and I am puzzled by the log file , hence, my question: Is Times New Roman distributed with the minimals and is this the way to access it? Hello Alan, Do you need something-like-times or Times New Roman? This works: % possibly \usetypescriptfile[type-gyr] \usetypescript[times][ec] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] It will give you times-like typeface (TeX Gyre Termes), but not Times New Roman. Times New Roman is not distributied (and possibly copyrighted). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Yue Wang wrote: Termes is a TeX Gyre version of Times Roman (almost the same glyphs). Which stems from URW Nimbus, a clone of Linotype version of Times Roman. Times New Roman is a Microsoft version of Times Roman. Actually, TNR is the Monotype version of the typeface, licensed by Microsoft, but with widths adjusted to match Times Roman, which was a Linotype typeface. To make matters more fun, Apple licensed its version from Linotype. And for cosmic revenge, Monotype bought Linotype, so there's just one company now. Times New Roman is more illegible than Times Roman. The only design differences are minimal. The serifs of C and S, for example, are more vertical in the Monotype version, and the italic z is more calligraphic in the Linotype version, but in large part, the two versions are identical. Personally, for book text, I think you ought to use Times Ten, which is designed for that. Both Times Roman and Times New Roman were originally designed as newspapers typefaces to be set on very short measures and are therefore too narrow for book use. Steve ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
Fantastic, Wolfgang! An image is worth 1000 words. Many thanks for the visual support. Alan On Dec 1, 2008, at 12;38,41 , Wolfgang Schuster wrote: times.pdf Am 01.12.2008 um 16:13 schrieb Mojca Miklavec: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: Hi, Mojca! Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that I was getting Latin Modern instead but wanted to be sure. Termes sounds like a good alternative to me, but I had best consult the publisher, since he originally specified Times New Roman. It is apaprently no longer a typesetting problem. It definitely makes sense to ask him, but most people (including me) do not notice the difference at all. You could try to find the differences in my example. Even if you need exactly Times New Roman, it should not be too difficult to change, but you can ask the publisher where to get the math glyphs in case he insists :) :) :) ??? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Fwd: RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
I have not installed the 3-16 mswincontext.zip yet but could you check this Hans (resend in case you missed it;-)? Idris --- Forwarded message --- From: ishamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman] Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:41:19 -0700 = Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = 1. Remember that I need both aleph and pdfetex formats; can you do that? --engine could you give me an example of its use in building a format? or in texexec.ini (rme): set UseEnginePath to true Ok, now I have \texmf-mswin\web2c\aleph \texmf-mswin\web2c\pdfetex but aleph is looking in the wrong directory: This is Aleph, Version 3.141592-1.15-2.1-0.0-rc4 (Web2c 7.5.3) \write18 enabled. Copyright (c) 2002--2004 the Aleph task force ---! c:\CONTEXT\texmf-mswin/web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt was written by pdfetex (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) Is there a configuration option I'm missing? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:31:44 +0100, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) Any word on that? I saw something dated 3-16-05; I'm assuming that's not it (since your email is dated a day later?) i let my machine generate the tree while i was watching a movie the day before i uploaded the lot -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
= Original Message From h h extern [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:31:44 +0100, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) Any word on that? I saw something dated 3-16-05; I'm assuming that's not it (since your email is dated a day later?) i let my machine generate the tree while i was watching a movie the day before i uploaded the lot -) So does that meant the 3-16 upload is the one or no? Also, how do I install it (could find no instructions...) it looks like a unix tree... Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:31:44 +0100, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) Any word on that? I saw something dated 3-16-05; I'm assuming that's not it (since your email is dated a day later?) Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
Hi,
add/patch this in your texmf.cnf file:
OSFONTDIR =
T1FONTS =
.;$TEXMF/fonts/{type1,pfb}//;$TEXMF/fonts/misc/hbf//;$OSFONTDIR//
AFMFONTS = .;$TEXMF/fonts/afm//;$OSFONTDIR//
TTFONTS = .;$TEXMF/fonts/{truetype,ttf}//;$OSFONTDIR//
OPENTYPEFONTS = .;$TEXMF/fonts/opentype//;$OSFONTDIR//
and in your batch file say:
set osfontdir=c:/windows/fonts
that way tex knows where to look for the pfb files
(what are the corresponding values for linux/osx ?)
Hans
= Original Message From Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
I hope you can translate from unix-like pseudo-commands into DOS:
make a new, clean temp directory.
copy times*.ttf into that directory.
from that directory, run:
texfont --ma --in --ve=microsoft --co=timesnewroman --show
What happens?
Ok, much progress:-)
1. Your command worked as is, no need to translate:-))
2. TeXFont did its magic, with no *apparent* errors (but see below) :
a. ttf|afm|tfm|vf's are copied to/generated within
[truetype|afm|tfm|vf]\microsoft\timesnewroman;
b. texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.map generated in \map\pdftex\context
c. texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.tex created in temp dir.
3. Problem: upon compiling texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.tex. I get
===
TeXExec 5.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
inputfile : texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman
output : pdftex
interface : en
options : once
current mode : none
This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11b-2.1 (Web2c 7.5.2)
%-line parsing enabled.
(c:/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
:
:
Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesi): Font texnansi-raw-Timesi at
60
0 not found
Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesbi): Font texnansi-raw-Timesbi at
600 not found
Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesbd): Font texnansi-raw-Timesbd at
600 not found
c:/TeXLive/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmr6.pfb
Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Times): Font texnansi-raw-Times at 600
not found
c:/TeXLive/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmtt10.pfb
Output written on texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.pdf (28 pages, 379871
bytes)
===
a. Note the warnings;
b. Adobe complains about an error in opening the page (I'm sending you the pdf
directly)
4. Question: how can I make TeXFont default to C:\ConTeXt\texmf-local instead
of C:\TeXLive\texmf-local?
I think I'm close to the finish line. Thnx 4 all your help!
Idris
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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Re: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
ishamid wrote: I really wish that updating/upgrading were not always such a pain... normally it isn't but currently there are three issues that make it painfull: - incompatible changes in the tds (enc/map paths) - changes in pdftex (no config, better map support) - the transition to latin modern - (unnoticed) changes in pattern file names - the usual changes in fonts and ... you end up in the middle of it i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
Hi, Hans = Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) 1. Remember that I need both aleph and pdfetex formats; can you do that? 2. After you upload, please:-) tell me exactly what I need to get things working. I only have high-speed access at my office (rather far from here) and will head there as soon as you have uploaded things. I only downloaded the minimal mswintex.zip; should I get the big one? Should I upgrade to the latest fpTeX/TeXLive as well? If so, let me know which depository you use so that I don't get the wrong one (yes, I'm paranoid-) I'll do whatever it takes... And as always, Thnx!!! Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
= Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ishamid wrote: I really wish that updating/upgrading were not always such a pain... normally it isn't but currently there are three issues that make it painfull: - incompatible changes in the tds (enc/map paths) - changes in pdftex (no config, better map support) - the transition to latin modern - (unnoticed) changes in pattern file names - the usual changes in fonts I played around for quite some time with the texmf.cnf environment variables in both \TeXLive and \ConTeXt trees. I noticed that even when I got \TeXLive to search \ConTeXt first, upon compiling it still could not find certain files (a tds issue?), while I could never get \ConTeXt to search \TeXLive properly. This was not helped by the fact that my July04 fpTeX comes with a corrupt kpathsea.pdf documentation using type3 fonts! Yesterday was not my day... Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
ishamid wrote: I'll do whatever it takes... the big mswincontext.zip Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
ishamid wrote: Hi, Hans = Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = i'll upload a new minimal (beware, tex live 2005 binaries), as well as the big windows zip (will take a few hours) 1. Remember that I need both aleph and pdfetex formats; can you do that? --engine or in texexec.ini (rme): set UseEnginePath to true Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
= Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = 1. Remember that I need both aleph and pdfetex formats; can you do that? --engine could you give me an example of its use in building a format? or in texexec.ini (rme): set UseEnginePath to true Ok, now I have \texmf-mswin\web2c\aleph \texmf-mswin\web2c\pdfetex but aleph is looking in the wrong directory: This is Aleph, Version 3.141592-1.15-2.1-0.0-rc4 (Web2c 7.5.3) \write18 enabled. Copyright (c) 2002--2004 the Aleph task force ---! c:\CONTEXT\texmf-mswin/web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt was written by pdfetex (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) Is there a configuration option I'm missing? Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: Configuring 2 trees [was RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman]
= Original Message From Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ishamid wrote: I'll do whatever it takes... the big mswincontext.zip Maybe it's too late, but is it possible to include the bulk of the omega distribution, the parts used by Gamma (basically everything except omega.exe). Looking forward to it Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Times New Roman
[I know that all of us and Hans in particular is quite busy but if anyone can give me some guidance on this, before I get into trouble with my editor...] Dear consortium, I'm having trouble preparing times new roman for ConTeXt. I'm trying to follow the instructions in mag-0009.pdf, but TeXfont does not want to behave:-( === \system_fontstexfont --vendor=microsoft --collection=times --encoding=texnansi --pattern=times*.afm TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) processing aborted : unknown option --pattern=times*.afm === I tried things manually without the --pattern option and got a texnansi-microsoft-times.tex file, from which I manually constructed a texnansi-microsoft-times.map file with four lines: === texnansi-raw-times4 times.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-timesbd 4 timesbd.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-timesbi 4 timesbi.pfb texnansi.enc texnansi-raw-timesi 4 timesi.pfb texnansi.enc === I then tried manually constructing the tfm files with afm2tfm but alas... \system_fontsafm2tfm times[bd|bi|i] ! no Adobe characters % LIGKERN ff l =: ffl ; ^ and empty tfm files Not sure where to go from here... I'm also going to need Arial from WINNT\Fonts as well... Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
I do not know much about the font installation process, but I did notice that your TeXFont banner indicates that you use a really old version. My TeXFont says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TED]$ texfont --help TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004 --fontroot=path : texmf destination font root (default:/opt/tex/texmf.local) ... so perhaps that is what is causing your problems? Greetings, Taco ishamid wrote: [I know that all of us and Hans in particular is quite busy but if anyone can give me some guidance on this, before I get into trouble with my editor...] Dear consortium, I'm having trouble preparing times new roman for ConTeXt. I'm trying to follow the instructions in mag-0009.pdf, but TeXfont does not want to behave:-( === \system_fontstexfont --vendor=microsoft --collection=times --encoding=texnansi --pattern=times*.afm TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
A few comments/hints: On 16 Mar 2005, at 14:40, ishamid wrote: TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) The TeXfont I'm running is 2.2.1! (I know I added a little bit of .ttf processing code after 2.1) I tried things manually without the --pattern option and got a texnansi-microsoft-times.tex If this file was generated, that's a good sign that the files were installed. What do you see in: (texlocal)\fonts\tfm\microsoft\times ? You can verify they were installed with: texexec --once texnansi-microsoft-times.tex (can also add --mode=compact to the CLI). HTH, adam ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
= Original Message From Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] = A few comments/hints: Thank you! On 16 Mar 2005, at 14:40, ishamid wrote: TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) The TeXfont I'm running is 2.2.1! (I know I added a little bit of .ttf processing code after 2.1) Ok, I've got 2.2.1 running... I tried things manually without the --pattern option and got a texnansi-microsoft-times.tex If this file was generated, that's a good sign that the files were installed. What do you see in: (texlocal)\fonts\tfm\microsoft\times ? ok, there are tfm files there, produced by the beta TeXFont, in TeXLive\texmf-local\... But now I can't seem to repeat this with the latest version, and TeXFont does not find the afm files. As I told Taco: === C:[...]\system_fontsC:\ConTeXt\texmf-mswin\bin\texfont --vendor=microsoft --collection=timesnewroman --encoding=texnansi --pattern=times*.afm --rootlist=C:[...]\system_fonts TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004 mktexlsr: Updating c:/TeXLive/texmf-local/ls-R... mktexlsr: Done. encoding vector : texnansi vendor name : microsoft source path : . font collection : timesnewroman texmf font root : c:/texlive/texmf-local pdftex map file : texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.map processing files : all in pattern times*.afm locating afm files : using otf files processing aborted : no afm files found === But the afm files are right there in \system_fonts!?! Any further suggestions will be appreciated! Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
= Original Message From Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I do not know much about the font installation process, but I did notice that your TeXFont banner indicates that you use a really old version. Ok, I've worked around this (still having upgrade troubles...) but there is still a problem. I created all afm files in a local directory system_fonts but TeXFont does not seem to see them: [...]\system_fontsC:\ConTeXt\texmf-mswin\bin\texfont --vendor=microsoft --collection=timesnewroman --encoding=texnansi --pattern=times*.afm --rootlist=C:\[...]\system_fonts TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004 mktexlsr: Updating c:/TeXLive/texmf-local/ls-R... mktexlsr: Done. encoding vector : texnansi vendor name : microsoft source path : . font collection : timesnewroman texmf font root : c:/texlive/texmf-local pdftex map file : texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.map processing files : all in pattern times*.afm locating afm files : using otf files processing aborted : no afm files found Why are no afm files found? And why does my new C:\ConTeXt tree recognize texmf font root : c:/texlive/texmf-local when I have not configured it to recognize my TeXLive tree (since I do not know how-) Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
Just a shot in the dark: I've been using texfont a lot these last weeks and have experienced that it will give you the error message no afm files found when, in fact, the error is somewhere else (in my case, there was a typo in the encoding used). I would suggest you run texfont on one font file at a time, don't use the *-shortcut for the time being. Moreover, are you sure that your system is finding texnansi.enc? What does kpsewhich texnansi.enc produce? Finally: are the afm files in good standing? How did you produce them? Best, good luck Thomas On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:41 PM, ishamid wrote: = Original Message From Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] = A few comments/hints: Thank you! On 16 Mar 2005, at 14:40, ishamid wrote: TeXFont 1.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2001 (STILL BETA) The TeXfont I'm running is 2.2.1! (I know I added a little bit of .ttf processing code after 2.1) Ok, I've got 2.2.1 running... I tried things manually without the --pattern option and got a texnansi-microsoft-times.tex If this file was generated, that's a good sign that the files were installed. What do you see in: (texlocal)\fonts\tfm\microsoft\times ? ok, there are tfm files there, produced by the beta TeXFont, in TeXLive\texmf-local\... But now I can't seem to repeat this with the latest version, and TeXFont does not find the afm files. As I told Taco: === C:[...]\system_fontsC:\ConTeXt\texmf-mswin\bin\texfont --vendor=microsoft --collection=timesnewroman --encoding=texnansi --pattern=times*.afm --rootlist=C:[...]\system_fonts TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004 mktexlsr: Updating c:/TeXLive/texmf-local/ls-R... mktexlsr: Done. encoding vector : texnansi vendor name : microsoft source path : . font collection : timesnewroman texmf font root : c:/texlive/texmf-local pdftex map file : texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.map processing files : all in pattern times*.afm locating afm files : using otf files processing aborted : no afm files found === But the afm files are right there in \system_fonts!?! Any further suggestions will be appreciated! Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
= Original Message From Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I hope you can translate from unix-like pseudo-commands into DOS: make a new, clean temp directory. copy times*.ttf into that directory. from that directory, run: texfont --ma --in --ve=microsoft --co=timesnewroman --show What happens? Ok, much progress:-) 1. Your command worked as is, no need to translate:-)) 2. TeXFont did its magic, with no *apparent* errors (but see below) : a. ttf|afm|tfm|vf's are copied to/generated within [truetype|afm|tfm|vf]\microsoft\timesnewroman; b. texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.map generated in \map\pdftex\context c. texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.tex created in temp dir. 3. Problem: upon compiling texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.tex. I get === TeXExec 5.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004 executable : pdfetex format : cont-en inputfile : texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman output : pdftex interface : en options : once current mode : none This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11b-2.1 (Web2c 7.5.2) %-line parsing enabled. (c:/TeXLive/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx) : : Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesi): Font texnansi-raw-Timesi at 60 0 not found Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesbi): Font texnansi-raw-Timesbi at 600 not found Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Timesbd): Font texnansi-raw-Timesbd at 600 not found c:/TeXLive/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmr6.pfb Warning: pdfetex.exe (file texnansi-raw-Times): Font texnansi-raw-Times at 600 not found c:/TeXLive/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmtt10.pfb Output written on texnansi-microsoft-timesnewroman.pdf (28 pages, 379871 bytes) === a. Note the warnings; b. Adobe complains about an error in opening the page (I'm sending you the pdf directly) 4. Question: how can I make TeXFont default to C:\ConTeXt\texmf-local instead of C:\TeXLive\texmf-local? I think I'm close to the finish line. Thnx 4 all your help! Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
= Original Message From Thomas A.Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moreover, are you sure that your system is finding texnansi.enc? What does kpsewhich texnansi.enc produce? Ok I realize that my texfont problems are almost certainly related to my upgrade problems: a. From C:\TeXLive (old system) \system_fonts\timesnewromankpsewhich texnansi.enc c:/TeXLive/texmf/dvips/ly1/texnansi.enc so far so good b. From C\:ConTeXt (latest system) \system_fonts\timesnewromanC:\ConTeXt\texmf-mswin\bin\kpsewhich texnansi.enc \system_fonts\timesnewroman nothing found So I think my problems in part go back to something I asked before: how do I get my C\:ConTeXt tree to secondarily search the TeXLive tree? Thnx for all your help! Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Times New Roman
= Original Message From Thomas A.Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] = hmm, I have zero experience with Windows and wouldn't get near a computer running Windows if you payed me for it, I certainly agree with this sentiment, and will make yet another attempt to switch to Linux this year; kde3.4 is looking nice... but I guess there must be a central configuration file somewhere. On linux and unix systems, it's called texmf.cnf. It's the same here; I'll look into it. There may be some os-related syntax issues, though, since kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFLOCAL gives kpsewhich: unrecognized option `-var-value' But I'll keep working/learning. Thnx! Idris That's where you define which tex-trees you have and in what order they should be searched. So if you want to have your new C/Context searched first, your C/Texlive second, one of them should be set as TEXMFLOCAL, the other as TEXMFMAIN. What does Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman and endnotes
ishamid wrote: Dear fellow conspirators, I have a book chapter that is to be published in an edited volume of a philosophy series by Springer/Kluwer, but the typesetter could not recreate the transliteration symbols needed. So the editor has just asked me to typeset the article for them. My chapter is the only thing holding up the publication of the book. I need two things very urgently: 1. Setups for Times New Roman (is there a Type1 version that comes with TeX?); http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm explains how to use platform fonts; if you have a windows machine, there is, in C:\WINDOWS\Fonts a bunch of Times New Roman. I'm a bit low on time, otherwise i'd generate the metrics and add them to the font zip. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman and endnotes
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:49:59 +0100, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Setups for Times New Roman (is there a Type1 version that comes with TeX?); http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm explains how to use platform fonts; if you have a windows machine, there is, in C:\WINDOWS\Fonts a bunch of Times New Roman. I'm a bit low on time, otherwise i'd generate the metrics and add them to the font zip. What about converting footnotes to endnotes? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman and endnotes
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:49:59 +0100, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Setups for Times New Roman (is there a Type1 version that comes
with TeX?);
http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm
explains how to use platform fonts; if you have a windows machine,
there is, in
C:\WINDOWS\Fonts
a bunch of Times New Roman. I'm a bit low on time, otherwise i'd
generate the metrics and add them to the font zip.
What about converting footnotes to endnotes?
I always thought that you were the notes expert -)
\setupfootnotes[location=]
\starttext
test \footnote{test}
\page
\placefootnotes
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Times New Roman and endnotes
What about converting footnotes to endnotes? I always thought that you were the notes expert -) Fair enough, it's just that I really hate endnotes and never even thought about them till now; With all my non-typesetting work it's easy to get out of practice with my ConTeXt skills;-) Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Times New Roman and endnotes
Dear fellow conspirators, I have a book chapter that is to be published in an edited volume of a philosophy series by Springer/Kluwer, but the typesetter could not recreate the transliteration symbols needed. So the editor has just asked me to typeset the article for them. My chapter is the only thing holding up the publication of the book. I need two things very urgently: 1. Setups for Times New Roman (is there a Type1 version that comes with TeX?); 2. I need to replace my footnotes with (aargh!) endnotes. Is there a simple way to do this? Best Idris Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
