Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ondřej Čertík
Hi Matthew, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Ondřej Čertík >> wrote: >>> Do you use anything else besides Travis CI? >> >> Yes, we use both Shining Panda and Travis CI: >>

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ondřej Čertík
Hi Fernando, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Ondřej Čertík > wrote: >> Do you use anything else besides Travis CI? > > Yes, we use both Shining Panda and Travis CI: > > https://jenkins.shiningpanda.com/ipython/ With NumPy, I am still th

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >  I just want to speak up for the people who are affected by API breakage who > are not as vocal on this list. Certainly! And indeed I bet you that's a community underrepresented here: those of us who are on this list are likely to be up

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Numpy logo in VTK

2012-06-26 Thread klo uo
Damn it, N is inverted and I noticed it now after posting. Sorry about that, here is correct one: from numpy import arange, ones import matplotlib.pyplot as plt from mpl_toolkits.mplot3d import Axes3D fig = plt.figure() ax = fig.add_subplot(111, projection

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
I do understand the issues around ABI breakage. I just want to speak up for the people who are affected by API breakage who are not as vocal on this list. I believe we should have similar frustration and concern at talk of API breakage as there is about talk of ABI breakage. -Travis On Ju

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > ... >> >> What should have happened in this case, in my mind, is that NumPy 1.4.0 >> should have been 1.5.0 and advertised that there was a break in the ABI and >> that all extens

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Ralf Gommers
Travis, apologies in advance if the tone of this message is too strong - please take it as a sign of how frustrating I find the discussion on this point. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: ... > What should have happened in this case, in my mind, is that NumPy 1.4.0 > should

[Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release plans

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
In my enthusiasm of finding someone to help with the release of NumPy 1.7 and my desire to get something released by the SciPy conference, I was hasty and didn't gather enough feedback from others about the release of NumPy 1.7. I'm sorry about that. I would like to get NumPy 1.7 out the door

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> For the main repos we use buildbot and test on: >> >> Ubuntu Maverick 32-bit >> Debian sid 64-bit >> OSX 10.4 PPC >> OSX 10.5 Intel >> Debian wheezy PPC >> Debian squeeze ARM (a Raspberry PI no less) >> WIndows XP 32 bit >> SPARC (cou

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
> For the main repos we use buildbot and test on: > > Ubuntu Maverick 32-bit > Debian sid 64-bit > OSX 10.4 PPC > OSX 10.5 Intel > Debian wheezy PPC > Debian squeeze ARM (a Raspberry PI no less) > WIndows XP 32 bit > SPARC (courtesy of our friends at NeuroDebian) > > http://nipy.bic.berkeley.edu/

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Root wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, Charles R Harris wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Ondřej Čertík > wrote: >> Do you use anything else besides Travis CI? > > Yes, we use both Shining Panda and Travis CI: > > https://jenkins.shiningpanda.com/ipython/ > http://travis-ci.org/#!/ipython/i

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Ondřej Čertík wrote: > Do you use anything else besides Travis CI? Yes, we use both Shining Panda and Travis CI: https://jenkins.shiningpanda.com/ipython/ http://travis-ci.org/#!/ipython/ipython The SP setup is more complete, including Mac and Windows bots. > I

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ondřej Čertík
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> One issues is the one that Sage identified about the array interface >> regression as noted by Jason.    Any other regressions from 1.5.x need to be >> addressed as well.    We'll h

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Wes McKinney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Skipper Seabold wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >>> One issues is the one that Sage identified about the array interface >>> regression as noted by Jason.    Any other regr

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Skipper Seabold
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> One issues is the one that Sage identified about the array interface >> regression as noted by Jason.    Any other regressions from 1.5.x need to be >> addressed as well.    We'll h

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Root wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, Charles R Harris wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Brett > > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Mon, Ju

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > One issues is the one that Sage identified about the array interface > regression as noted by Jason.    Any other regressions from 1.5.x need to be > addressed as well.    We'll have to decide on a case-by-case basis if there > are issues t

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, Thouis (Ray) Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Jason Grout > > wrote: > > On 6/26/12 3:06 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > >> Something the Sage project does very well is meeting often in person > > > > Another thing we have that has improved the mailing

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Root wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, Charles R Harris wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Brett >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Brett >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 17, 201

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Charles R Harris > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 2

[Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread JB Poline
>On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Matthew Brett >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 201

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Charles R Harris > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Matthew Brett > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>>

[Numpy-discussion] What's the most numpythonic way to support multiple types in a C extension?

2012-06-26 Thread John Salvatier
I want to support multiple types in the index_increment function that I've written here: https://github.com/jsalvatier/numpy/blob/master/numpy/core/src/multiarray/mapping.c I need to check that the first argument's type can support addition, cast the dataptr to the appropriate type and do the addi

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Matrix rank default tolerance - is it too low?

2012-06-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Matthew Brett >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Matthew Brett >>> wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > O

Re: [Numpy-discussion] API policy

2012-06-26 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > I think we need to update this document: > http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ApiDeprecation > Sounds fine to me to make the period for removal longer, or even to by default aim to not remove deprecated API's at all in minor release (unl

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Andrea Gavana
On 26 June 2012 22:39, John Hunter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Thouis (Ray) Jones wrote: >> +1 ! >> >> Speaking as someone trying to get started in contributing to numpy, I >> find this discussion extremely off-putting.  It's childish, >> meaningless, and spiteful, and I think it's d

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 10:35 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 06/26/2012 05:02 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: (I have not read the whole cython discussion yet) >>> >>> So here's the summary. It's rather complicated but also incredibly neat >>> :-) And technical details can be hidden behind a tight

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/26/12 3:31 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > Thank you for the reminder. I was already called out for not stopping. > Thanks, Dag. A flame-list might indeed be a good idea at this point if > there is further need for "clearing the air" > Also, having it set up before it is needed is part

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread John Hunter
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Thouis (Ray) Jones wrote: > +1 ! > > Speaking as someone trying to get started in contributing to numpy, I > find this discussion extremely off-putting.  It's childish, > meaningless, and spiteful, and I think it's doing more harm than any > possible good that coul

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 05:02 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >>> >>> (I have not read the whole cython discussion yet) >> >> So here's the summary. It's rather complicated but also incredibly neat >> :-) And technical details can be hidden behind a tight API. > > Could you provide a bit more context for this lis

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Thouis (Ray) Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> On 6/26/12 3:06 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: >>> Something the Sage project does very well is meeting often in person >> >> Another thing we have that has improved the mailing l

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > >> Unfortunately, I think there are issues we are just now seeing with code >> that was released in 1.6.x, and there are many people who have not moved >> forward to 1.6.x yet. >> > > Some examples would be nice. A lot of people did move a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Thouis (Ray) Jones
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 6/26/12 3:06 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: >> Something the Sage project does very well is meeting often in person > > Another thing we have that has improved the mailing list climate is a > "sage-flame" list [1] +1 ! Speaking as someon

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/26/12 3:06 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > Something the Sage project does very well is meeting often in person Another thing we have that has improved the mailing list climate is a "sage-flame" list [1] that serves as a venting release valve for anyone to post *anything* at all. There h

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
> > Unfortunately, I think there are issues we are just now seeing with code that > was released in 1.6.x, and there are many people who have not moved forward > to 1.6.x yet. > > Some examples would be nice. A lot of people did move already. And I haven't > seen reports of those that tr

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > Exactly. > > >> I don't >> feel responsible for this issue (except I maybe should have pushed >> more strongly about datetime being included), > > > I think you left out a 'not'. I don't mean to imply that you were in > anyway the blame.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 09:51 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> >> Exactly. >> >> I don't >> feel responsible for this issue (except I maybe should have pushed >> more strongly about datetime being included), >> >> >> I think you left out a 'not'. I don't mean to imply that you were in >> anyway the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/26/12 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > Unfortunately, I think there are issues we are just now seeing with > code that was released in 1.6.x, and there are many people who have > not moved forward to 1.6.x yet. > > > Some examples would be nice. I'll bite. Here's an issue that pre

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
> > Exactly. > > I don't > feel responsible for this issue (except I maybe should have pushed > more strongly about datetime being included), > > I think you left out a 'not'. I don't mean to imply that you were in anyway > the blame. And you have been pretty adamant about not allowing late me

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > >> >> Hey all, >> >> After some more investigation, I'm not optimistic that we will be able to >> get a 1.7 release out bef

[Numpy-discussion] API policy

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
I think we need to update this document: http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ApiDeprecation I don't think this characterizes the opinion of all involved in NumPy development (it is certainly not the way I view our commitment to users). Incidentally, in the migration from Trac we should move

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > Hey all, > > After some more investigation, I'm not optimistic that we will be able to get > a 1.7 release out before SciPy. I would like to get a beta release out by > SciP

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Frédéric Bastien wrote: > Hi, > > I think he was referring that making NUMPY_ARRAY_OBJECT[...] syntax > support the operation that you said is hard. But having a separate > function do it is less complicated as you said. Yes. That's precisely what I meant. Thank y

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > Hey all, > > After some more investigation, I'm not optimistic that we will be able to > get a 1.7 release out before SciPy. I would like to get a beta release > out by SciPy (or even an rc1 release). But, given the number of code > c

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Semantics of index arrays and a request to fix the user guide

2012-06-26 Thread srean
Hi All, my question might have got lost due to the intense activity around the 1.7 release. Now that it has quietened down, would appreciate any help regarding my confusion about how index arrays work (especially when broadcasted). -- srean On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, srean wrote: > From

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread John Salvatier
Right, that makes sense. Thanks. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Frédéric Bastien wrote: > Hi, > > I think he was referring that making NUMPY_ARRAY_OBJECT[...] syntax > support the operation that you said is hard. But having a separate > function do it is less complicated as you said. > > Fred

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread Frédéric Bastien
Hi, I think he was referring that making NUMPY_ARRAY_OBJECT[...] syntax support the operation that you said is hard. But having a separate function do it is less complicated as you said. Fred On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM, John Salvatier wrote: > Can you clarify why it would be super hard? I

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread John Salvatier
Can you clarify why it would be super hard? I just reused the code for advanced indexing (a modification of PyArray_SetMap). Am I missing something crucial? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:46 AM, John Salvatier wrote: > > Hello, > > If you incr

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > > > >> Let us note that that problem was due to Travis convincing David to > >> include the Datetime work in the release against David's own best > judgement. > >> The result wa

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
> > Or, we could raise funds for NumFOCUS by selling tickets for a brawl between > the two at SciPy2012... > > I kid, I kid! Thanks for the humor. Unfortunately, I would be no match physically with someone used to the cold of Logan :-) -Travis _

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:46 AM, John Salvatier wrote: > Hello, > > If you increment an array using advanced indexing and have repeated indexes, > the array doesn't get repeatedly incremented, > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.numeric.general/50291. I wrote a > C function that does

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
> > I think Chuck alludes to the fact that I was rather reserved about > merging datetime before *anyone* knew about breaking the ABI. I don't > feel responsible for this issue (except I maybe should have pushed > more strongly about datetime being included), but I am also not > interested in maki

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > > > >> Let us note that that problem was due to Travis convincing David to > >> include the Datetime work in the release against David's own best > judgement. > >> The result wa

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > >> Let us note that that problem was due to Travis convincing David to >> include the Datetime work in the release against David's own best judgement. >> The result was a delay of several months until Ralf could get up to speed >> and get 1

[Numpy-discussion] Would a patch with a function for incrementing an array with advanced indexing be accepted?

2012-06-26 Thread John Salvatier
Hello, If you increment an array using advanced indexing and have repeated indexes, the array doesn't get repeatedly incremented, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.numeric.general/50291. I wrote a C function that does incrementing with repeated indexes correctly. The branch is here (http

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Thouis (Ray) Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> Calling this and that 'gratuitous' is already damaging to the community. >> Them's fightin' words. If you didn't want a fight you could have simply >> pointed out a path forwar

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Thouis (Ray) Jones
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > Calling this and that 'gratuitous' is already damaging to the community. > Them's fightin' words. If you didn't want a fight you could have simply > pointed out a path forward. I disagree. If a change is gratuitous, and someone call's it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
>> Let us note that that problem was due to Travis convincing David to include >> the Datetime work in the release against David's own best judgement. The >> result was a delay of several months until Ralf could get up to speed and >> get 1.4.1 out. Let us also note that poly1d is actually not

[Numpy-discussion] NumPy 1.7 release delays

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
Hey all, After some more investigation, I'm not optimistic that we will be able to get a 1.7 release out before SciPy. I would like to get a beta release out by SciPy (or even an rc1 release). But, given the number of code changes and differences between 1.5.x and 1.7, I think we will nee

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Ondřej Čertík wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Fernando Perez >> wrote: >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Travis Oliphant >> w

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
>> >> (I have not read the whole cython discussion yet) > > So here's the summary. It's rather complicated but also incredibly neat > :-) And technical details can be hidden behind a tight API. Could you provide a bit more context for this list. I think this is an important technology conc

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Ondřej Čertík > wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Travis Oliphant > > wrote: > >> > >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Fernando Perez

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 06/26/2012 01:48 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am just continuing the discussion around ABI/API, the technical side >> of things that is, as this is unrelated to 1.7.x. release. >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM, D

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 04:08 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 06/26/2012 01:48 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am just continuing the discussion around ABI/API, the technical side >> of things that is, as this is unrelated to 1.7.x. release. >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Dag Sverre

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 01:48 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: > Hi, > > I am just continuing the discussion around ABI/API, the technical side > of things that is, as this is unrelated to 1.7.x. release. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn > wrote: >> On 06/26/2012 11:58 AM, David Courna

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Ondřej Čertík wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Fernando Perez > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > >> > >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > > > >> > >> For context, consider that for many years, the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 01:48 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: > Hi, > > I am just continuing the discussion around ABI/API, the technical side > of things that is, as this is unrelated to 1.7.x. release. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn > wrote: >> On 06/26/2012 11:58 AM, David Courna

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Numpy logo in VTK

2012-06-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
It would be really awesome to have a script like this to generate the logo. That's pretty amazing. Would you be able to tweak it up a bit and then we could take a poll here? Perhaps we change the logo to a variation of what your script produces. Can you export a PNG? -Travis On Jun

[Numpy-discussion] moving forward around ABI/API compatibilities (was numpy 1.7.x branch)

2012-06-26 Thread David Cournapeau
Hi, I am just continuing the discussion around ABI/API, the technical side of things that is, as this is unrelated to 1.7.x. release. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 06/26/2012 11:58 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dag Sverre Se

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 11:58 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn > wrote: >> On 06/26/2012 05:35 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Ondřej Čertík >>> wrote: >>> My understanding is that Travis is simply trying to

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 06/26/2012 05:35 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Ondřej Čertík   >> wrote: >> >>> >>> My understanding is that Travis is simply trying to stress "We have to >>> think about the implications of our ch

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
On 06/26/2012 05:35 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Ondřej Čertík > wrote: > >> >> My understanding is that Travis is simply trying to stress "We have to >> think about the implications of our changes on existing users." and >> also that little changes (with the bes

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

2012-06-26 Thread Ondřej Čertík
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > Hey all, > > I made a branch called with_maskna and then merged Nathaniel's PR which > removes the mask_na support from master.  I then applied a patch to fix the > boolean indexing problem reported by Ralf. > > I then created a NumPy 1.7