On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Marcel Reutegger wrote:
> A can't really think of a reason why the sort order must be descending in
> MongoMissingLastRevSeeker.
I also do not remember. I think it should be fine to drop the sort criteria.
Chetan Mehrotra
For now I have moved those scripts to
https://github.com/chetanmeh/oak-console-scripts. Later we can
possibly move them to Oak repo if there is a wider interest
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Davide Giannella wrote:
> On 13/04/2017 10:59, Robert Munteanu wrote:
>> O
method as part of NodeStore API
OakValueFactory can then wrap the "context" i.e. path, node etc as
part of BlobOption which can then be used for store selection.
How this impacts the GC logic would also needs to be thought about.
Chetan Mehrotra
PS: Above is more of a brain dump in thinking out loud mode :)
+1 for failing a build as warnings at times go unnoticed. If it breaks
we can analyze what got pulled in and then we can raise the limit
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Davide Giannella wrote:
> Hello team,
>
> in order to not ending up again with a very big oak-ru
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, wrote:
> -2.5
> +3.0.0
May be we specify the version in parent pluginManagement and not have
explicit version in any child pom
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:31 PM, wrote:
> -2.4.3
> +3.0.0
May be we move the version to parent
Chetan Mehrotra
ub
account but then its hard to collaborate there with other developers
hence the ask for having a place in oak svn.
Chetan Mehrotra
ve quite a bit of them in my github (and few other
devs also maintain such scripts). So idea here was to consolidate such
common scripts at one place.
Chetan Mehrotra
See OAK-6075 for an example for such a script
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> We have few oak-run console groovy scripts used often to
> analyze/troubleshoot customer setups. Currently these are scattered
> across vari
would not be part of
build
3. Scripts present here would be generic i.e. not tied to any product
Thoughts?
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Depending on that, we can use "Maven" module boundaries, or "Logical" module
> boundaries.
My preference is for "Logical" module boundaries and not be bounded by
the Maven module boundaries.
Chetan Mehrotra
missing and which specific aspect
needs improvement.
Chetan Mehrotra
[1] https://jackrabbit.apache.org/oak/docs
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK-5998
Adding to that below are few features I think any new store would have
to support
1. Sorted primary key access - For now required to find children of
any parent path
2. secondary indexes apart from _id field
3. compare-and-set (CAS) operations for sub fields
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Mar 29
logical feature set in
Oak allows better tracking and discovery of logged issues which is
harder with current set where "core" component has lots of different
types of issues clubbed together
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Angela Schreiber wrote:
> i agree with marcel.
roup issues by
> features like observation.
For now I prefer a logical separation in JIRA issues. Compared to
label the components have better in built support in JIRA ui like
open/closed/aging reports, drop down etc. So it would be better to use
components over label for such distinct features in Oak.
Chetan Mehrotra
Its a write operation as it has potential to change the session state.
If the refresh is done with keepChanges=false the current transient
changes would be discarded.
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Robert Munteanu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With Oak 1.6.1 I'
ntmk
and core" unless the change impacts code base outside of that
component like in this case outside of documentmk package
This would ensure that we can get some better sense out of issues
currently clubbed under "core"
Thoughts?
Chetan Mehrotra
Created new jira component now
query - 55 issues https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK/component/12320003
indexing - 18 issues
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK/component/12332439
property-index - 18 issues
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK/component/12332440
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> * Sometimes there is an overlap, in which case I guess multiple components
> needs to be set.
yes
> * What to do with old issue.
For now no need to modify old resolved issues. This is only applicable
for current open issues
them via links in main page. Would start a
draft work here for docs I know and you can your doc links there.
Chetan Mehrotra
.
Kindly create subtask under this for any new feature/enhancement which
you can remember.
Once this is done I would like to link to those new changes from the
main site page!
Chetan Mehrotra
stly present in AsyncIndexUpdate and IndexUpdate
classes or any work to be done in that area.
Chetan Mehrotra
related to sync or async indexing
3. property-index - For any issue in Property index implementation
This would enable getting better understanding of issues currently
logged against "query" component
Chetan Mehrotra
DocumentNodeStore docs.
May be some other sub pages can also be surfaced
Hope the current changes are ok to publish! Thoughts?
Chetan Mehrotra
log the current FormatVersion on system startup
at info level
Chetan Mehrotra
e. Technically there can be other types of indexes as some
one can implement a custom type. So would rephrase it to say for out
of the box setup type can have following values property, lucene,
solr, reference and counter.
Chetan Mehrotra
again for
final review before publishing it
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://github.com/apache/jackrabbit-oak/blob/trunk/oak-doc/src/site/markdown/query/indexing.md
he change to 1.6 branch
Chetan Mehrotra
strictionImpl is applicable for Binary property also
Probably PropertyStateValue#hashCode should take care of Binary
properties and thats why PropertyState#hashCode does not take into
account the value
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Angela Schreiber wrote:
> hi oak-devs
>
&
ync index, content
migration in sidegrade) etc
Chetan Mehrotra
Can you provide a thread dump around startup time where you see Oak is
reading all child nodes?
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:26 AM, Eugene Prystupa
wrote:
> Thanks, Michael.
>
> I should have included more details in the original email.
> We are on 1.4.10 version of Ja
I realized now that I logged an issue for this recently OAK-5511 which
mentioned similar approach. So lets move this discussion there
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>I like Marcel proposal for "enforcing" use of mixin on par
x27; node if
current node has that mixin.
This would avoid the extra calls. For new setups we can enforce this
and for upgrade we can migrate the existing code by using nodetype
index to update all such "indexable" nodes
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
@Override
public void enter(NodeState before, NodeState after)
throws CommitFailedException {
collectIndexEditors(builder.getChildNode(INDEX_DEFINITIONS_NAME),
before);
--
Which transalates into checking if the current node has a child node
'oak:index' and this leads to redudant calls.
Chetan Mehrotra
s to mark the parent with a specific hidden
property which has such a node upon addition. This would avoid the
negative lookup in case of updates
Chetan Mehrotra
aversal looks tricky.
Thoughts on what approach can be taken for enabling this?
May be if we can expect a stable order in traversal at a given
revision then we can keep track of paths t certain depth and then on
retry skip processing of subtrees untill untill we get that path
Chetan Mehrotra
It appears that CI issues which are resolved as duplicate but not
closed are still updated upon each successful build. So to reduce the
noise it would be good to also close the issue when resolving a CI
issue as duplicate
Chetan Mehrotra
or those setups which do not have
any external monitoring setup installed the time series provides some
insight for stats in past via JMX
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://sling.apache.org/documentation/bundles/metrics.html#webconsole-plugin
Hi Francesco,
As Julian mentioned it would be good to collects stats as Metrics.
Have a look at DocumentStoreStats which collects some stats around
operations being performed by DocumentStore implementations
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Julian Sedding wrote:
> Hi France
+{"print": "done; index is now:"},
> +{"xpath": "/jcr:root/oak:index/externalId", "depth": 2}
> +]}
> +exit
Scripting in JSON looks interesting!
However would like to understand the approach here and how it should
be used. Oak Console already uses Groovy and can execute those script
via ":load" construct. We already use this with customer setups to
execute scripts hosted on github [1], [2] So not sure why we need to
use this approach and how it meets the requirement for OAK-5324
Chetan Mehrotra
[1] https://gist.github.com/stillalex/e7067bcb86c89bef66c8
[2] https://gist.github.com/chetanmeh/d7588d96a839dd2d26760913e4055215
Have a look at webapp example at
https://github.com/apache/jackrabbit-oak/tree/trunk/oak-examples/webapp
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Techie Technical
wrote:
> In My Enterprise Application (Java – 1.8 , Spring, Oak – 1.4.1 , MongoDB
> Server – 3.2 ) to get Repository
example for some of the older issue
the links to CI are now resulting in 404 (see OAK-5263 for example)
Chetan Mehrotra
;
> +}
> +
> +}
This looks useful and can be used in other places also like in [1].
Would be good if we can move it to oak-commons in
org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.commons.junit package.
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK-5441?focusedCommentId=15823491&page=co
. Updating the version to latest where possible
Opened OAK-5455 to track this.
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:29 PM, wrote:
> + */
> +private static final long GC_BACKOFF = getInteger("gc.backoff",
> 10*3600*1000);
> +
Would be good to prefix the system property with "oak" .
Chetan Mehrotra
would be good to have only factory mode ... just that we
need to see if all required usage modes can be done with that or not
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Francesco Mari
wrote:
> After reviewing and applying the patch for OAK-4978, I found myself
> wondering if we n
Hi Davide,
All blocking issue from my side are resolved now
Chetan Mehrotra
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> Hi Davide,
>
> I have marked OAK-5219 as blocker as I want it to be included in
> 1.5.15. It might take max 1 day to resolve this issue. Would le
Hi Davide,
I have marked OAK-5219 as blocker as I want it to be included in
1.5.15. It might take max 1 day to resolve this issue. Would let you
know once I have any further update
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Davide Giannella wrote:
> Hello team,
>
> I'm plann
s ... I thought you wanted Oak to adopt the approach and hence the
confusion! Yes approach used should work fine for such cases. May be
we can later add support to produce such a oak-lucene jar
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote:
> Which other spi impl depends
> on the lucene libraries being exposed?
There are currently 2 defined in
org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.plugins.index.lucene.spi package
Chetan Mehrotra
Per https://builds.apache.org/job/Apache%20Jackrabbit%20Oak%20matrix/1298/
the test again failed but mostly on Jdk 1.7. The test on Jdk 1.8 looks
like passed.
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> They are from oak-segment-tar. See
>
Hi Torgeir,
We would not be able shade Lucene classes as they are exported and
meant to be used by certain SPI implementations. So as of now there is
no solution for using a different Lucene version in non OSGi world
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote
Added missed file in r1770910
@Francesco/Andrei Can you check if its the intended file. With this
compilation passes on my setup
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> Build is failing locally and in CI [1] due to compilation error in
> oak-segme
: cannot find symbol
[ERROR] symbol: class SegmentGCStatus
[ERROR] location: package org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.segment.compaction
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://builds.apache.org/job/Apache%20Jackrabbit%20Oak%20matrix/1296/jdk=JDK%201.8%20(latest),nsfixtures=SEGMENT_MK,profile=unittesting/console
They are from oak-segment-tar. See
https://builds.apache.org/job/Apache%20Jackrabbit%20Oak%20matrix/1295/#showFailuresLink
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Francesco Mari
wrote:
> Are those from oak-tarmk-standby or oak-segment-tar?
>
> 2016-11-22 6:11 GMT+01:00 Chetan
Hi Team,
Since last 4-6 builds I am seeing a recurring failure of few test in
standby module
* FailoverIPRangeIT
* ExternalPrivateStoreIT
* StandbyTestIT
Probably something to be looked into
Chetan Mehrotra
In general its better that you use a BlobStore even with
SegmenNodeStore. In that case CoR and CoW allows using Lucene's memory
mapped FSDirectory support providing better performance.
Some old numbers can be seen at [1]
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK
multiple indexers here
--
asyncConfigs=[ \
"async:5", \
"async-fulltext:10", \
]
leaseTimeOutMinutes=I"15"
--
Is that what you were looking for?
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Marcel Reutegger wrote:
> why is the lease timeout for the async index update that high?
See OAK-3834 for some discussion around the default timeout settings
Chetan Mehrotra
Looking further I think I can achieve the same by checking if
NodeStore is instanceof
org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.spi.state.Clusterable which was introduced
with OAK-3529 and is currently implemented by DocumentNodeStore
Chetan Mehrotra
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Stefan Egli wrote:
>
say OAK_CLUSTERED having boolean value. A
false means its not a cluster while true means it "might" be part of
cluster.
Thoughts?
Chetan Mehrotra
component
'org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.plugins.index.AsyncIndexerService'
--
asyncConfigs=[ \
"async:5", \
]
leaseTimeOutMinutes=I"15"
--
AsyncIndexerService OSGi component would REQUIRE an explicit config to
enable async indexing.
The OSGi way of configuration is required for further enhancements in this area
Hi Team,
It would be good if team members can look at unassigned issues [1] and
see what we should target for 1.6
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=assignee%20in%20(EMPTY)%20and%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20AND%20project%20%3D%20%22Jackrabbit%20Oak%22%20%20and
Hi Team,
I plan to remove the jr2 build for oak-run with OAK-5054. If someone
feels that we should still have that version build then comment on
OAK-5054.
Otherwise I would disable the build by Nov-7
Chetan Mehrotra
Hi Marcel,
That was due to previous commit 1767677. This change was meant to fix
that. Would watch the build result
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Marcel Reutegger wrote:
> Hi Chetan,
>
> this commit causes a test failure. Seen on travis:
> https://travis-c
api should be now such that
these issues can be addressed in 1.6 release.
May be we go for usecase specific api?
Chetan Mehrotra
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
> Chetan: I see that you marked OAK-3036 as "blocker" for this release -- but
> then, do we have a plan to resolve it in a timely manner?
Missed that. Moved it to next release and would try get it resolved by
that time!
Chetan Mehrotra
I would like to have OAK-4975 included. Marked that issue as blocker.
I hope to resolve that today itself
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Davide Giannella wrote:
> Hello team,
>
> I'm planning to cut Oak 1.5.13 on Monday 24th.
>
> If there are any objection
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Julian Sedding wrote:
> I think we could get away with increasing this to 4.1.0 if we can
> annotate QueryEngineSettingsMBean with @ProviderType.
Makes sense. Opened OAK-4977 for that
Chetan Mehrotra
Opened OAK-4975 for query around default config handling.
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Davide Giannella wrote:
> On 21/10/2016 08:23, Michael Marth wrote:
>> Hi Chetan,
>>
>> Re “Should we ship with a default config”:
>>
>> I vote for a s
or nt:file (may be other like
rep:AccessControllable). If yes then how to do that. One way can be to
introduce a new 'WhiteboardRepositoryInitializer' and then
DocumentNodeStore can register one which bootstraps a default config
Chetan Mehrotra
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/
bleList.of(JCR_PRIMARYTYPE, JCR_MIXINTYPES),
null /*declaringNodeTypeNames*/);
As last param declaringNodeTypeNames is null all nodetypes gets indexed
Is that intentional for default setup? I see its the way since very
beginning but just wanted to check if we should revisit this
Chetan Mehrotra
can be easily enabled/disabled
if need arises. With this we would not have make change in many places
like JcrUtil.putFile, WebDav, Vault, Sling Post Servlet, any custom
code creating nt:file say using JcrUtil.putFile.
Chetan Mehrotra
nables a user
to use a more optimum nodetype and get best performance out of
underlying repository.
Hopefully we can converge on some agreement here :)
Chetan Mehrotra
[1] http://markmail.org/thread/uj2ht4jwdrck7eja
[2] http://markmail.org/thread/77xvjxtx42euhss4
[3] https://java.net/jira/browse/J
You can specify a traversal limit via QueryEngineSettingsMBean. This
would be applicable on any running query
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Pantula Rajesh wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a way to stop long running traversal queries? I was looking if there
> is
+1
Chetan Mehrotra
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Marcel Reutegger wrote:
> +1
>
> Regards
> Marcel
>
>
> On 16/09/16 17:16, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-09-16 17:11, Davide Giannella wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>>
>>
I think we fixes have been recently done in this area. However it
would be good to have an integration test for reference check scenario
to ensure that it unnecessarily does not download the blobs
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Pos
Looks like index would need to be reindex. It would be better to
contact Adobe Support as closer analysis would be required
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Thiago Sanches wrote:
> I removed the index folder but the error persists. I tried to remove the
> "/
se to subsequent
restart times? Can you try cleaning local index folder
(repository/index) and restart to see if its resolved. If not would
suggest to followup on Adobe Support portal
Chetan Mehrotra
ement say around unnecessary object
generation then let us know!
Chetan Mehrotra
lability of the user id from events
> (without full disclaimers) if it will not *always* be available.
Thats the case for JCR level ObservationListener which makes use of
BackgroundObserver. In Ian case he is directly building on top of
Observer and hence can control the compaction aspect.
Chetan Mehrotra
I think Marcel created OAK-4791 for the same. So that should take care
of enforcing this constraing
Chetan Mehrotra
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Stefan Seifert wrote:
> in sling we use the animal sniffer plugin for exactly this purpose [1].
> it checks that the compiled codes onl
instance with service registry and it would be picked up and for non
external event CommitInfo would be present
Chetan Mehrotra
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Ian Boston wrote:
> Unfortunately the IndexProvider route doesn't appear give me the
> information I am after (CommitInfo).
Any details around intended usage? CommitInfo is now exposed via
OAK-4642 to IndexEditorProvider
Chetan Mehrotra
6-L] = [NS4, NS6] (can be treated as
local with loss of user identity which caused the change)
[NS2-L, NS3]+ [NS3, NS4-L] = [NS2-L, NS4-L] (cannot be treated as local)
Just thinking out loud here to understand the problem space better :)
Chetan Mehrotra
Thanks Tomek for confirmation. Opened OAK-4684 to track that
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Tomek Rekawek wrote:
> Hi Chetan,
>
> yes, it seems that this has been overlooked in the OAK-3239 (porting the
> —include-paths support from RepositoryUpgrade). Feel free
paths (property index, permission store entries) do
not get updated and that would result in inconsistent state
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Alex Parvulescu
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think any extra hooks are needed here. Sidegrade is just a change
> in persis
configure same set of hooks?
Chetan Mehrotra
registered MBean services. For an example have a look at
SegmentNodeStoreServiceTest which uses OSGi mocks to activate the
service and then pick up the registered services to do the assertion
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:14 AM, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’m working on a
part of db row are
always read as a whole.
Chetan Mehrotra
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OAK-4471
[2]
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-1306nosqlforjson1/
[3] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-in/library/dn921897.aspx
[4] https://docs.oracle.com/database/121/ADX
ed on old state QE
would filter it out if it does not match the criteria per current
repository state. So aim here is to have index provide a super set of
result set.
In all this async index logic remains same (single threaded) and based
on diff. So it would remain consistent with repository state
ess. It needs to be ensured that for
concurrent commit end result in index is in sync with repository
state.
Current single thread async index update avoid all such race condition.
Chetan Mehrotra
ion. This would also allow to
reuse most of testcase we have in oak-lucene
Chetan Mehrotra
[2]
https://github.com/ieb/oak-es/blob/master/src/main/java/org/apache/jackrabbit/oak/plusing/index/es/index/take2/ESIndexEditorContext.java
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> On Th
d eventually catch up with the
current repository state and hence would not require complete rebuild
of index in case of unclean shutdowns
Chetan Mehrotra
and
still allow plugging in Solr/ES for large deployment and there also
provide a choice to admin to configure a sub set of index for such
usage depending on the size.
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Ian Boston wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11 August 2016 at 09:14, Michael Mar
d then the external system
can manage the GC
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Ian Boston wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10 August 2016 at 10:29, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> wro
Would add one more
4. Write throughput degradation - For non unique property index which
make use of ContentMirrorStoreStrategy we have seen a loss in
throughput due to contention which arise due to conflicts while
entries are made in index. (OAK-2673, OAK-3380)
Chetan Mehrotra
On Fri, Aug 5
check if the callback implements this new interface and then cast it
and access the context. So only those client which are interested in
new capability make use of this
===
So provide your feedback there or in this thread
Chetan Mehrotra
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote
ble change
Thoughts?
Chetan Mehrotra
Opened OAK-4641 for this enhancement
Chetan Mehrotra
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Chetan Mehrotra
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Alex Parvulescu
> wrote:
>> sounds interesting, this looks like a good option.
>>
>
> Now comes the hard part ... what should
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