Re: [obc] Cycling Accident
May I go a little OT here. A friend of mines little brother (45yrs old), live in the blue nose province. His car insurance went up to $4500.xx from $1500.xx this past little while. He told her he has done nothing to deserve an increase, it is just that the courts are awarding mega amounts and the insurance companies are getting their money back. Do I hear ruminations that the same is coming to our province? Brian Hermann Christa Kerckhoff wrote: David, I join you in the Best Wishes to Phil. You write: ' hopefully next year he'll be as fast as before...'. I have the very best information for Phil : my TT times are faster then before I broke my hip in 1999 . A ' wise guy ' said : brake the other one . Don't think Avery would want me to be even faster, ha,ha,ha... My advise : re AGM info. Have good lights on your bikes in the dark and wear a helmet. All to keep the ' mystery ' insurance fee at $ 12 per person, or lower with no claims. For my $ 12 I would like to have the name and policy number of our OBC or OCA Liability Insurance company. Wouldn't all of you OBC Members like to have that on file ? And check your Home Owners Policy for adequate liability coverage. Most people have 1 million. Is that enough today ? Hermann Kerckhoff Member - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Underwear for cycling/x-c skiing
Anything will do, I have a friend who x-skis with pajamas on underneath a wind barrier in all sorts of weather. I think you need to think vapour barrier and you will find what you need does not have to cost an arm and a leg. The MEC stuff against the skin with a wind proof pant will work in all sorts of weather. Now Avery might be talking about wicking properties of the Patagonia product, but the MEC stuff works really well. I used to referee and play hockey in all sorts of weather with the MEC stuff. I have even ref'd upto 6 games (with wait times between, and going back out) and was comfortable the whole evening, the wicking of the MEC stuff was more than sufficient. So try the cheaper stuff first, BTW Pete Hickey rides all year and here are his tips. http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/bike.html , follow cycle-commute link Brian Avery Burdett wrote: Patagonia's Capilene line of products at Trailhead on Scott or the store opposite MEC on Richmond Rd. More expensive but superior to anything MEC carries. Wilson, Barbara wrote: I am looking for some good quality long underwear (2-piece, top and bottom) for cool/cold weather cycling and cross country skiing that wicks well. Can anyone suggest a brand name that is good for these types of activities and an outlet? Thanks Barbara Wilson, member - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Meshy News
Did she win the vote for athlete of the year in NZ? Brian Avery Burdett wrote: The holder of our Women's Open 15km TT record, Melissa Holt, successfully defended her New Zealand national time trial title October 24. Meshy completed the 25km in 36 minutes and 22 seconds - average speed 41.25 km/h. Her closest rival was 23 seconds behind. Saturday she will defend her road race title. Full report at http://www.dailypeloton.com in News Roundup. After Oct 24th probably will be in News Archive. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Bent meeting for Eastern Ontario (and anyone who wants to come).]
On Sept.14, HPVOoO will be having a meet for all the bent riders in the Ottawa area. We are inviting anyone to come to the Air Museum in the east end of Ottawa to meet the Ottawa HPV group (we have called ourselves HPVOoO) . We are also expecting Michael Plummer (one of the persons responsible for the Ice-racing in the Ottawa area), and I will be bringing my winter Trike which he built for me (not sure if I will leave studs on it :-) . ). There are members of HPVOoO (Human Powered Vehicle Operators of Ottawa) who want to get Ice racing happening on the canal again. Link below: http://hpv.tricolour.net/events.html Sat. Sept. 14, 2002 12:00 to 14:00 Brian come and get bent - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Club Clothing
Avery Burdett wrote: Here are the approximate prices (excluding taxes) of additional lines of custom club clothing by Louis Garneau: Bib shorts - under $60 Lycra Tights - $40 Vest with mesh back - $45 Cycling jacket, zipped back pocket, upright collar, thermozone lining, anatomic fit - just over $100 Arm warmers in plain blue, no logo - $29 Cycling cap - $$$ waiting for price Polo shirt in cotton with OBC logo - $20 Prices are based on a minimum order of 16 units per item. Please advise Rosmarie if interested. After reaching the minimum for any one item an order can be placed. Avery Burdett - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Why not Sugoi? Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Champlain Bridge Paint
Wright, Eric wrote: The point I was trying to make it that the paint would be more useful on my house. Yes, you can repaint, and then paint bigger and bigger directional arrows and big x's everywhere else...BUT if the paint does not serve a for a more positive road-user experience, I would rather see the money spent on pamphlet vending stands at each end of the bridge (yes...with recycling bins nearby...and yes when the toll booths are added...pamphlets for the motorized vehicles too...) Looking at the BIG picture, I contend that the paint has a negative impact for riders in all other road situations...motorist get conditioned to not learning how to pass safely. I haven't ridden the Montreal bridge referenced...but I would contend there that those that gut it out are doing other cyclists a favour.. :) Eric..member...last post publicly on this thread. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I had the pleasure to drive over the bridge today, in my recumbent carrier :-). I was coming from the east and used the turn off on the east side of the island. I was watching the line work and the vehicle ahead of me, the center lane was the lane the Quebec side to Ontario was using. The car ahead of me suddenly stopped and almost hit the curb, the car in the other lane did not allow him to merge, I hit the binders really hard and then noticed our lane had died. The cars behind almost did the same thing, so that was my experience to get there. On the way back the left and turning lane to the parkway, I waited 3 complete cycles before we got the green. Is this a new experiment. Brian PS the 3 lanes + bicycle lanes looked very wide indeed. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] MSNBC News Link: Great feat, but not a great athlete
Les Humphreys (K) wrote: To quote Ron Borges'comments about Mike Tyson . As much as you might want to ignore Ron Borges you cannot. Nuts tend to attract your attention -Original Message- From: Greg Franks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] MSNBC News Link: Great feat, but not a great athlete Greg Franks sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: Well, the arm chair quarterbacks of the world want to yap. . . Heres one. ** Great feat, but not a great athlete ** Borges: Armstrong winning Tour impressive, but its not athletic http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/785267.asp __ Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 209.217.102.94 - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Over 40,000 people have responded to the poll question , whether you agree with the flame bait this opinion writer has penned. The response is 96 % believe the writer is an idiot. Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] vote for Meshy
Wright, Eric wrote: Our adopted kiwi needs about 500 more votes to win a promo-car back home. As NZ national road and tt champ for 2001, she is on her way to the Commonwealth games this week http://www.incubator.co.nz/holdenpromotion/voteonly/ http://www.incubator.co.nz/holdenpromotion/voteonly/ Eric Wright (member) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Becareful there are two Melissa's to vote for. I would say make sure you vote for Holt! Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Hey Avery et al.
Tom Trottier writes: The question in my mind is not whether helmets, or helmet laws, save lives. They do. The question is whether people have the right to live dangerously. Do we have to have all danger mandated out of our control? Will skydiving and rockclimbing be outlawed? If adult macho idiots want to avoid safety gear, let them improve the gene pool by leaving it. I want to know how many people send their kids out for a ride with a helmet which becomes a mojo for the handle bars as soon as said cyclist is around the corner, (coincedentally the same dist. as a kid I would light up a smoke after getting out of the house). I just make sure to tell these kids to ensure that their straps are out of the way of the front wheels spokes, which is what will show them that they should be wearing a helmet. H, I know lets live in a society where we have rules which we teach our kids that we have to obey all the time. Then lets get in our car and tell the kids that the rules for driving do not matter as it must be a suggested speed on the highways and roadways. Or that the one way directional arrow at the entry way to the school parking lot is only for the other guy. Then we wonder why the helmets come off, the stop signs get blown, the red lights mean go etc. Why not have rules that the police can and will enforce and which we will obey. Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] WTB: Legal TT Helmet
Tom Trottier wrote: Dear Aaron, I think every current helmet sold in Canada has one or more of the approvals. tOM On Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 18:58, Aaron Fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re [obc] WTB: Legal TT Helmet saying: Does anyone know where I can get a legal Timetrial helmet? Legal meaning one is safety certified. Are there any bike shops in the Ottawa Area that stock TT helmets? I would like to get a: The Prologue http://www.louisgarneau.com/eng/whatsnew.asp#prologue I tried to order one from a bike shop, but they said Louis Garneau is out of stock so they can't get them. Finding a legal TT helmet sure is a real pain. Tom did you try to save his life with suggesting any helmet or help him find a tear drop time trial, specailized helmet for a specific use. Take a moment and have a look at the helmet he needs and then tell him he can find it at any bicycle store. This is where if I wanted to be funny I would say he could look at the Ottawa 2003 ccycling map and go to Foster's to buy a TT helmet. But I would not say that :-). Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] RAAM - How's Mike Lau doing? ... WOW
http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/2002riders/michaellau.htm Did Mike hit a tail wind? He went from 11.0 mph to 12.37 in one time stamp, wait a go Mike. Keep it up. Brian a vicarious RAAM rider for all the races Martin. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] RAAM - Update on fellow club member Michael Lau!
Bill Taylor who's a wrote: Hello RAAM racing fans! Like many of you, I too have been following the progress of RAAM since it started this past Sunday. As mentioned previously by others on this mail-list, club member Michael Lau is one of 15 remaining Thanks for the reminder to check out Mike's progress, he is doing real well. I showed my wife the profile of the last check point to Leadvlle Co. then I told her his speed, she went wow. Keep up with the info Bill. Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Local Bike Stores
Steve Cornick wrote: A colleague of mine is considering buying a new bike. Could anyone recommend a store(s) in the East End of the city? Thanks. steve cornick - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - What kind of bicycle? Full Cycle St. Laurent Blvd, before Dairy Queen, all ranges and types. Orleans cycle more moderately priced all types can be had here. More general selections below. Tommy Lefebvre all mtb, sample selection of HO. For the ones who want the Ottawa cycle map dotted with cycle stores: Wal-mart, CTC, Zellers, The Bay, but I add these tongue in cheek, as they are not well made or put togther. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc]
Tom Trottier wrote: On Monday, June 10, 2002 at 17:35, Avery Burdett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re RE: [obc] saying: Jean-Pierre Thibault wrote: ... We don't just eat raw vegetables and tofu, you know ;-) Does that leave anything else (at least for vegans)? :-) Yeah but where's the beef? I could not resist. Other complaints from the ride (that the OBC can not take care of) ;-) . Can you imagine in Westport the burger stand at the Esso, no saukrault with the Oktoberfest sausage! Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Sorry, about duplicate on the video, only open one dialup people.
I will post this apology anonymously and say sorry for blowing bandwidth for the dialup people getting duplicate mails, next time I will read the cc's in a good un. Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] May 30 Open Time Trial
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fifty riders registered for tonight's open time trial, but pre-race thundershowers convinced a few to throw in the towel. Most of those who remained improved on their season's best. Jim gave me the results so that they could be posted at http://www3.sympatico.ca/celia.mcinnis/tt/2002/ . Enjoy, Celia (long time club member, EtC.). - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - Wow, good job. It is so nice to see the times, and this is the first time I noticed the weather at the top. Does anyone know when Gord Fraser did his his double Camp wheeled record time? What was his speed? What was the wind ? Brian 255 a bent member ;-) - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions
Les Humphreys (K) wrote: It has been my experience that bikes whose owners pull them apart on a regular basis for 'preventive maintenance' are the very ones that seem to break down the most often, but then, all that was pre-Shimano ! -Original Message- Ha Ha Ha. Good one Les. As someone who has been a tour leader for the MS tour, and has friends in high places (just ask questions to mechanics). You find that not a lot of breakeage occurs away from the normal spokes and flat tires (some times ripped tires). The worst I have witnessed was a tire we booted with a Canadian dollar bill (we did not have any Yankee money to get full value :-) ). Last year there was an 11 year old girl on bike older than her and weighed more than my sag van, rode into Kingston on one gear as shifter cable broke. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Aching neck
If you are talking about getting rid of neck pain, add in butt pain and back aches. Then buy a recumbent :-). Brian 2002-04-03 20:15:15 PM, Bill Taylor who's a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I too remember getting an aching neck, but found that once the bike was properly set for me, my neck was far better if not pain free. Seems to me that it's certainly an issue of reach to the handlebar, and, the need to limit your elbows being locked out. Remember, you need some flex and articulation in your elbows to retain a relaxed riding posture, thereby absorbing road shock transmitted through the front wheel and fork. Once I can get my elbows more relaxed, I find my shoulders drop to a more relaxed position; with the added benefit of more even and relaxed breathing. [and yes, I like this word 'relaxed'] The other thing I've found really helps to stay off an aching neck is to put on additional roles of cork handlebar tape. I know it can be relatively expensive, but the Profile brand tape is great, because it's thick. With two or three roles on the bar, and a good pair of cycling gloves with gel padding, I've found neck pain to be a thing of the past. In order to retain a uniform feeling on the bar, I found strips of cork tape placed longitudinally along the main riding points of the bar [the outer side of the first bend in the bar when viewed from the stem out] under the outer most role, to work wonderfully.In other words, place even old strips of cork tape that would otherwise be headed for the garbage, longitudinally on top of your present cork tape that aligns with your favoured riding points along the bar, and on top of this tape, place your outer most role of additional cork tape. Using this method, I think I've actually been able to get on a good four roles of tape; over the years. ;-) Works for me, and like the tape on the bar; I'm sticking to it! Bill -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really?
Was the original intent of this post as a humourous poke at someone who mistakenly put down the wrong road name. ie Aviation parkway is North/South and TT is East/West.? Brian PS enquiring minds want to know :-). 2002-03-21 17:55:30 PM, Paul Smeulders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss something here? Has the NCC said we can't use the parkway, or was this started with Dave's posting about it being bumpy on his last (still winter) ride? I agree it gets worse and worse each year, but Dave rode the parkway just a few days ago, and it's still buckledits still cold. When the weather gets warm, the buckles become just cracks. No doubt it progressively gets worse, but I think finding a new venue is just a bit premature. Asticou, 2km loop? that will never work for a 15 km TT. Paul. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really?
Yeah but if he really loved you, he would have got an independent pedaling system so you could be a coaster stoker. :-). Brian 2002-03-25 17:15:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah! I just got a smile, a hug and a bicycle built for two. Cheers, Cyclemom ;-) From: Paul Smeulders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/03/25 Mon AM 11:35:34 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? Cyclemom wrote: Yes, drafting is illegal but there are those who will do it whether or not it is illegal -- the real question is it wise to do so? The question I used to ask my husband rather than harangue him about drafting off of trucks was, is the life insurance paid up and is it in my name? He doesn't do it anymore. Cyclemom Huh. He didn't REALLY answer the question. That's the kind of 'clever' I gotta respect. :) Smelly. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - Get your free WebMail account from Sympatico-Lycos at www.sympatico.ca - -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Look at this news.
Subject: Re: [CfSC] ANNOUNCEMENT: recumbent and HPV group starting On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:31:25PM -0500, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: Hi folks! As some of you already know, there has been some talk of recumbents and HPVs recently on this list. We want to take that discussion to a new list so this one might stay a bit more on-topic to CfSC. There is a contact page of interested persons, links and instructions how to subscribe to that mailing list at: http://hpv.tricolour.net/ (It is also http://tricolour.net/hpv/ if DNS has not found the new machine yet.) I completely forgot to ask: Would someone post this announcement on the OBC list please? slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs --~\ Auto-Free Ottawa! Canada www.TriColour.net--\@ @ www.flora.org/afo/ No Internet Wiretapping!-- _\\/\%___\\/\%Vote! -- Green.ca www.FreeSWAN.org___GTVS6#790__(*)___(*)(*)___www.Marillion.com -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Cross training in the Gats
You could probably take a #2 bus and meet them right at the base of King Edward and Rideau. 2001-11-08 16:26:35 PM, Sean Crowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really like to start on these hikes. I have a problem getting there however. It's a bit much to cycle there. Is there anyone who could give me a lift? I live at 636 Gaines Dr. (Beacon Hill north, east end). I could meet someone part-way. Anyway I'd really appreciate it. Sean Wilson, Barbara wrote: For interested OBC members, and others: Cross Training in the Gats for Sunday November 11 Meet: PL#11 (O'Brien) From Old Chelsea follow Meech Lake Rd. past Camp Fortune turnoff, parking lot just before lake on right. Time: 10 AM Suggested route: Discovery Trail # 36 to trail 50, left to Herridge Lodge. Reverse the route for the return. Bring map, liquids, snack/lunch. Wear suitable clothing and footwear. Ski poles optional. A change of clothes for after is wise if the weather turns foul. Social after hike somewhere in Old Chelsea Everyone welcome, so hope to see you there! For further info, contact Barbara Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phones 995-3077, 837-2377 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Sidewalk Cycling
Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRA There are many competent cyclist out there who may or may not belong to the many great cycling clubs and organizations this whole region has to offer. In saying that I noticed out of between 15 to 20 child cylist I saw riding home on their bikes, only one rode appropriately. The others rode on the sidewalk, did not look, turned left from the right side of the road, rode up the wrong side of the street. There are apporximately 100,000 school age child cyclist in this city. That would mean they outnumber OBC riders 100:1. Mom on a Bike Paul Lindsay wrote: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRAThing is, a lot of cyclists are jerks. How many cyclists out there are actually following the rules of the road and behaving decently? Not many. We're used to riding with our OBC friends and on club rides and loops in the Gats when for the most part most cyclists are either incompetant commuters or bike path and sidewalk noodlers that are two eggs short of a dozen. Just a day or two ago I wrote an e-mail to one of the editors of the car magazine Wheels for tarring all cyclists with scorn and innuendo similar to the reported Lowell Green incident. This guy referred to all riders as suicyclists and was angry that we all bitch and complain about car drivers but don't follow the rules of the road ourselves. Such media people are dangerous. On the other hand, I think Michael's comments sound a bit 'elitist'. I think there are many commuters, bike path riders, and general tourist cyclists, equally competent and law-abiding as those of the OBC. And there are numerous times I have seen club members running lights and stop signs (somtimes wearing their OBC jersey). Paul L. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter Brian Martin 91 Burley Duet -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] End of Summer Century 2001
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Re: [obc] NYT Article on bicycle helmets
I recall a study that found cars equipped with air bags are also found to be involved in more accidents - which adds weight to the argument that safety devices increase risk-taking behaviour. I for one do not agree but have my own evidence of the above statements. When I bought my first Caravan I had the ABS option installed. It gave me the comfort of knowing that I could stop on a dime in terrible weather, well it sure did work well. I could stop in the slipperiest winter conditions, straight as an arrow... in the middle of the intersection. I am sure that w/o the ABS I would not be driving so aggressively in winter time, and when I did I would end up in the middle of the intersection after doing a few doughnuts. Another issue that I do not think was addressed in the article is whether there are more cyclists on the road, which would cause an apparent increase in cycling injuries. I will quote Bruce Timmermans here, there are more people riding bikes in the middle of the winter time, than there was when I first came to Canada in the summer times in the 60's. Putting a kid on a Can-Bike course is probably a lot less effort. A lot more bang for the buck too. My twelve year old has been involved in three kids Can-Bike courses but I still do not feel I could let him ride to school because there is still no fear/awareness of the vehicular conditions around him. Yes it is suburbia where we live, and the idiots who conduct their cages must think (if they get off the phone long enough) that whenever some one is on the road it means that they are an expert road user, and they give no extra care in lane positioning. Mine two! My two cents worth. -Rod Plunkett PS - Avery - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction is Sir Isaac Newton's third law of motion. Michael Slavitch wrote: Interesting stuff here on on bicycle helmets. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/29/national/29BIKE.html?todaysheadlines They believe that the increased use of bike helmets may have had an unintended consequence: that cyclists when wearing helmets take more risks. Head injuries are increasing in the US rather that decreasing.. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter Brian Martin 91 Burley Duet 01 Rans Rocket -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Tuesday night Tour 10/07/01
This worked out very well and I plan to use it in future. After the Rideau Lakes Tour any riders can ride in a fast group by organising prior to leaving or by riding off the front of the pack. Even the fast group was not fast enough for 4 riders as they blasted out of our group and got home 5-10 minutes in front of us. This week we did Metcalfe. by way of Riverside East, Smyth Rd, Russell Rd, Baseline to Mitch Owen then right on 27 to Metcalfe. The faster group was at Metcalfe when we arrived and over munchies and drink I conferred with Tim to insure that they knew the way we were returning. Return West on 6 to Highway 31, North on 31 one block to John Quinn, then left onto Parkway Rd which becomes Apple Orchard Rd, right on Manotick Station Rd , right on Mitch Owen to Bowsville Road, cross Lietrim to Alert Rd and returned to Billings Bridge by Airport Parkway. Total km's from Billings Bridge and return 67 km's. I guess my 42 miles is because my odo is set wrong :-). approaching thunderstorms as I say lighting on the way home. Why would you say lightning, I think I saw some. ROTFL. Brian PS after kids soccer season is over more Tuesdays for me. Cheers Sir James -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter Brian Martin 91 Burley Duet -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] RLCT reactions
Good tour all around, make sure that the kudo's get to the XM-49er's for their excellent work. I do not know what tour route this person is talking about 20% being of the female persuasion but I would guesstimate it more to be along the lines of 40 to 50 %. As someone who saw a lot of the riders, on the two major routes I would guess that the Challenge route would have a very low participation (something about testosterone/hills), and the cruise because the mechanics/sags were not there, which is the same reason I would only ride the Classic. Two years ago coming back from Kingston I had a camel back on a hot Sunday and filled it 3 times (North Crosby, Perth Ashton) so that year I carried water instead of money (but never again, rookie mistake).Speaking of young un's, there was a father who brought a 12 year old girl on the ride and let her ride it independently, the co-sagger with me made us keep an eye on her, since she dropped her friends (17 15 and an adult) constantly, so she was always out of there sight. She absolutely had no idea of riding in traffic evidenced by things I saw her do ( and did right after I told her what and why what she did could get her killed). I would like to suggest that the RLCT not encourage non-traffic aware children to ride. Unless they have had group riding clinics or can-bike lessons. Brian SAG 2 driver/encourager PS Does any one know if the recumbent did the whole Classic or just the Perth part? At 18:19 2001-06-11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear mark And if kids got a discounted price (hook them early). Tom On Monday, June 11, 2001 at 17:54, mark smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Re: [obc] RLCT reactions, saying.. A friend of ours in her quick estimation thought there was only about 20% (give or take a few percentage points women on the ride). Maybe there would be more kids out if more women (mothers) were also on the ride. Mark and Lynda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some comments on the RLCT. .. My 15-year old son was disappointed there were no kids his age. Is there a youth section of the OBC? - Questions answerered, answers questioned. Tom Trottier, President [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://abacurial.com ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 +1 613 291-1168 fax:+1 613 594-5412 (877)247-8796 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
