date:20060926

Mau tidak DIBANDARIN gimana Mbah? La wong secara FA sangat mendukung
Dalam artian:
- Kondisi NPL yg TIDAK BERUBAH
- Penyelesaian BAD DEBT yg tak kunjung selesai
  Kalau toh sudah SEPAKAT apa pasti BAYAR? 
- Masalah PP tentang ASET BUMN dan negara yg molor terus; walaupun 
ada keputusan MA; apakah di lapangan akan semudah itu???
- Dll
Tetapi HARGA BMRI mampu terus bermain di level 1100 hingga 2000 
beberapa kali; 2375 sempat 2 kali.
Hehehe. 
BOZZ memang moo.

Maksudnya kondisi FA TIDAK BERUBAH tapi harga NAIK TURUN TERU
Inilah namanya MONEY MACHINE..

Terus terang saya tidak mengikuti secara LIVE trans BMRI hari Jum'at
Tapi melihat HASIL-nya; kelihatan kalau yg MAIN beberapa GEROMBOLAN.
Yang jelas TUKANG MASAK yg sering saya perhatikan IKUTAN.
BOZZ satu ini sering dibilang kalau lagi masak 1 KG bisa2 MATENG-nya 
jadi 1 KUINTAL.
Makanya kelihatan ANEH.

Yang jelas MEREKA sudah BERHASIL membuat banyak trader NYANGKUT and 
BMRI kelihatan RAME.
Sekarang tinggal nunggu proses BUY BACK-nya


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Khong Liauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 THX untuk AJARAN MBAH.
   Memang hari Jum'at kemarin saya sudah melihat PERGERAKAN ANEH 
itu, dan saya ndak ikut main BMRI. 
   Secara KASAT MATA memang sudah kelihatan kalau itu permainan 
BANDAR, tapi saya ndak sampai lihat secara keseluruhan. Saya main 
sesi 1 saja. Dengan MELIHAT :
 
Pergerakan BID / OFFER sebelum mulai;  
Sekuritas ASING;  
TOP VOLUME ;  
LOGIKA bisnis;  
INSTINCT.
   Dan setengah bulan ini saya TERJEBAK dalam permainan BANDAR 
karena melupakan satu dari lima syarat yaitu INSTINCT.
   Mohon BIMBINGAN mbah.

   Khong

   -Original Message-
 From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
 Sent: 25 September 2006 15:08
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Bandarisme KASAT MATA

   Bandarisme KASAT MATA
 
 BMRI saat ini -4,2% jam 14:54...
 
 Yang mau MEMPELAJARI bandarisme, silahkan CHECK angka 
 dibawah ini:
 - Berapa nilai perdagangan TOTAL BEJ kemarin Jumat ?.
 - Berapa nilai perdagangan BMRI pada saat itu ?.
 
 - Berapa nilai NET BUYING ASING (NBA) buat TOTAL BEJ ?.
 - Berapa persen NBA dibanding TOTAL perdagangan ?.
 
 - Berapa nilai NBA untuk saham BMRI ?.
 - Berapa persen NBA BMRI dibanding NBA total hari itu ?.
 - Berapa persen NBA BMRI dibanding TOTAL perdagangan BMRI
 hari itu ?.
 - Bandingkan angka TERAKHIR dengan kenaikan harga BMRI hari itu
 
 Angka2 yang anda dapatkan AKAN MENUNJUKAN TINGKAT 
 level BANDARISME secara KASAT MATA 
 
 Kesimpulan:
 - Yang punya INFO akan MENANG dibursa, TAPI INSTINCT diperlukan
 untuk MENSESNSOR INFO yang kita terima...
 
 ...
 
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[obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Handika Wisnu

Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif).Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe
kelewatTerimakasih banyakKutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Halim Mintareja

SELL and FORGET..

kecuali anda mau berjudi..

soal option... saya tidak mengerti
On 9/26/06, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bandarisme KASAT MATA

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Santo Vibby

Sorry baru balik meeting... support BMRI cukup kuat di 2200 koq.. 

semoga membantu mbah :D

- Original Message - 
From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bandarisme KASAT MATA

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 Lha ? saya malah memanfaatkan PERGERAKAN ANEH itu untuk profits 
 hek..hek..hek..

 Phenomena PERGERAKAN ANEH dimarket yg menjadi subject ilmu 
 bandarmologi TERNYATA merupakan INPUT bagi 
 intruktur TA hehehe

 BMRI turun lagi -3,2% saat ini jam 09:56...

 Berapa SUPPORT BMRI, pak Instruktur ?.

   - Original Message - 
   From: Khong Liauw 
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:03 AM
   Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Bandarisme KASAT MATA

   THX untuk AJARAN MBAH.
   Memang hari Jum'at kemarin saya sudah melihat PERGERAKAN ANEH 
 itu, dan saya ndak ikut main BMRI. 
   Secara KASAT MATA memang sudah kelihatan kalau itu permainan 
 BANDAR, tapi saya ndak sampai lihat secara keseluruhan. Saya main 
 sesi 1 saja. Dengan MELIHAT :
 1.. Pergerakan BID / OFFER sebelum mulai; 
 2.. Sekuritas ASING; 
 3.. TOP VOLUME ; 
 4.. LOGIKA bisnis; 
 5.. INSTINCT.
   Dan setengah bulan ini saya TERJEBAK dalam permainan BANDAR 
 karena melupakan satu dari lima syarat yaitu INSTINCT.
   Mohon BIMBINGAN mbah.

   Khong

   -Original Message-
   From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
   Sent: 25 September 2006 15:08
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Bandarisme KASAT MATA

   Bandarisme KASAT MATA

   BMRI saat ini -4,2% jam 14:54...

   Yang mau MEMPELAJARI bandarisme, silahkan CHECK angka 
   dibawah ini:
   - Berapa nilai perdagangan TOTAL BEJ kemarin Jumat ?.
   - Berapa nilai perdagangan BMRI pada saat itu ?.

   - Berapa nilai NET BUYING ASING (NBA) buat TOTAL BEJ ?.
   - Berapa persen NBA dibanding TOTAL perdagangan ?.

   - Berapa nilai NBA untuk saham BMRI ?.
   - Berapa persen NBA BMRI dibanding NBA total hari itu ?.
   - Berapa persen NBA BMRI dibanding TOTAL perdagangan BMRI
   hari itu ?.
   - Bandingkan angka TERAKHIR dengan kenaikan harga BMRI hari itu

   Angka2 yang anda dapatkan AKAN MENUNJUKAN TINGKAT 
   level BANDARISME secara KASAT MATA 

   Kesimpulan:
   - Yang punya INFO akan MENANG dibursa, TAPI INSTINCT diperlukan
   untuk MENSESNSOR INFO yang kita terima...

   ...

   embah, bandarmologist

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[obrolan-bandar] The Fed akan menurunkan suku bunga (Sumber : IQPlus)




IQP, (26/9) - Para ekonom di AS percaya bahwa The Fed akan menurunkan suku
bunga awal tahun 2007 dari 5,25 % pada saat ini, investor sudah bersiap-siap
bahwa Bank
akan menurunkan suku bunga pinjaman mulai tahun depan. Fed pertama kali
menaikkan
suku bunga pada 2004 lalu. Goldman berharap Fed akan menurunkan suku bunga
hingga
4 persen pada akhir tahun depan, prediksi itu juga diamini oleh Merril Lynch
 Co bahwa
Fed mulai menurunkan suku bunga pada 2007. Pertumbuhan AS akan melambat 2,7
persen,
menurut estimasi dan survey Bloomberg dibandingkan 3 persen dalam dua tahun
ini.
Sedangkan Lehman Asset Managegement mengatakan pasar berharap Fed akan
menurunkan
suku bunga hingga 4,25 persen.



 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

maaf Pak, kalo boleh saya kasih saran, setiap saham ada sifat, gak 
bisa di percaya research  berita berita, wong berita  div 200   
merger , jual kpc bisa dibuat  diingkari. gak taunya hasilnya BIG 
FAT  0.
nah sekarang dapat pinjaman. itu beneran ato boongan?
yg tau cuman satu. yah itu si menkesengsaraan sendiri. yg saya tau 
sih kalo 700 jd offer, siap siap bumi merosot lagi. 
  
 
 On 9/26/06, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak 
(menurut
  saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.
  Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan 
ato tidak?
  Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest 
options di
  US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi 
konservatif).
 
  Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang 
klo BUMI
  msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar 
negeri yg
  msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
  Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor 
luar.
  Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung 
fair value
  based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200
 
  Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham 
ini?
  Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir 
October bakal
  ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat
 
  Terimakasih banyak
 
  Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
  Special Mention:
  BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has 
secured a
  foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
  foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If
  everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
  return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on 
assets
  and Gordon growth methodology
  remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?






kayanya BUMI dan ENRG boleh dibeli 
dhe..
kayanya ^^ hihihi


  -Original Message-From: Jamal Nasution 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 26 September 2006 
  13:43To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
  
  klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo 
  kesana
  tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
  nyangkut
  itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: Handika Wisnu 

To: Bandar 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 
PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih 
layakkah BUMI?


Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut 
saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, 
yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato 
tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest 
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi 
konservatif).Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset 
Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg 
diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor 
luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair 
value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - 
Rp1200Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir 
October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe 
kelewatTerimakasih banyakKutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it 
has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value 
based on assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200


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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?






pake 
google earth yah mbah? ^^ hehehe


  -Original Message-From: Embah 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 26 September 2006 
  15:16To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: 
  [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
  
  Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?Embah sent KUTA picture seen 
  from THE SKY..Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker 
  ASING lagi)... hehehe...NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and 
  RELAX...Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran ama 
  bule... JUST KIDDING...embah
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[obrolan-bandar] BI : Pelemahan nilai tukar IDR tidak perlu dikhawatirkan (Sumber : IQPlus)




IQp, (26/9) - Pelemahan nilai tukar rupiah yang kini berada di atas 
level
9.200 per
dolar AS tak perlu dikhawatirkan karena pelemahan rupiah itu bersamaan
dengan melemahnya
mata uang regional lainnya.Hal tersebut disampaikan Deputi Gubernur Senior
BI Miranda S
Goeltom usai rapat tertutup di Gedung DPR, Jakarta, Selasa.Saya melihat
tidak ada yang
perlu dikhawatirkan terhadap nilai tukar. Itu masih tetap baik. Kalau
melemahnya adalah
regional sifatnya, kita lihat semua juga ikut melemah. Jadi kami tidak
terlalu khawatir, ujar
Miranda.
Menurut Miranda, sejumlah mata uang regional juga tengah melakukan
penyesuaian setelah
penguatan yang terus-menerus terjadi. Proses penguatan nilai tukar kita kan
sudah lama
terjadi. Lalu dalam perjalanannya sedikit demi sedikit lemah, ya itu tidak
apa-apa, katanya.
Hingga saat ini, lanjut Miranda, BI juga belum melihat adanya pelarian modal
alias capital
outflow. Malahan capital inflow masih terjadi, cetusnya.



 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?






terimakasih pak ^^
agak 
sedikit melek IT..tapi mata ogah melek liet monitor BEJ..bikin ngantuk ^^ 
hehehe


  -Original Message-From: jsx_consultant 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 26 September 2006 
  15:36To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: 
  [obrolan-bandar] Re: Are you still WATCHING your monitor 
?
  
  Pak Sudes EMANG melek IThehehe--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Sudeswanto" samsudesyang@... wrote: pake 
  google earth yah mbah? ^^ hehehe  -Original 
  Message- From: Embah [mailto:jsx-consultant@...] 
  Sent: 26 September 2006 15:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ? 
Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?  Embah 
  sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..  Berbaring dipantai 
  sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker ASING lagi)... hehehe... 
   NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...  Coba 
  dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran ama bule... JUST 
  KIDDING  ...  
  embah
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

Kalau saya yg di foto; warna biru itu berubah jadi abu-abu Mbah.
Soalnya pulang KDT belon balik ke kantor...
Lagi lihat2 korban LAPENDOS yg musti lebih sabarr di bulan puasa 
sekarang...
Hehehe

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pak Sudes EMANG melek IThehehe
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Sudeswanto 
 samsudesyang@ wrote:
 
  pake google earth yah mbah? ^^ hehehe
  
-Original Message-
From: Embah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2006 15:16
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
  
  
Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
  
Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..
  
Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker
ASING lagi)... hehehe...
  
NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Jamal Nasution







klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo 
kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Handika Wisnu 
  
  To: Bandar 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 
  PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah 
  BUMI?
  
  
  Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut 
  saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg 
  mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya 
  hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg 
  return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif).Tapi 
  barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny 
  masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo 
  memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa 
  BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik 
  ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model 
  masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah 
  senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di 
  US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! 
  ampe kelewatTerimakasih banyakKutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
  Special Mention:
  BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it 
  has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
  foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
  future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
  return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value 
  based on assets and Gordon growth methodology
  remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Karno Edy






Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie 
:Arutmin, KPC etc...
tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  up_trends 
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 
  PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih 
  layakkah BUMI?
  
  
  what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial 
  lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Jamal Nasution" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  klo cp 
  nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti 
  barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC 
  ya  - Original Message -  From: Handika Wisnu 
   To: Bandar  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 
  PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?  
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak 
  (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 
  200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
  dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya 
  alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per 
  bulan (strategi konservatif).  Tapi barusan saya baca 
  review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg 
  bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan 
  pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh 
  dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik 
  ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth 
  model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200  Minta sarannya donk bwt yg 
  sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari 
  pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. 
  sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat  Terimakasih banyak 
   Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :   Special 
  Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has 
  secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign 
  investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes 
  on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. 
  Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains 
  at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 
   
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial 
lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
 tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
 itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Handika Wisnu 
   To: Bandar 
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
 
 
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak 
(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 
200/saham.
   Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan 
ato tidak?
   Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest 
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi 
konservatif).
 
   Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang 
klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
   Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor 
luar.
   Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung 
fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - 
Rp1200
 
   Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham 
ini?
   Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir 
October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
 
   Terimakasih banyak
 
   Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
 
 
   Special Mention:
   BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has 
secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
   foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If 
everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
   return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on 
assets and Gordon growth methodology
   remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
 
 
 
 
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant

Pak Sudes EMANG melek IThehehe


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Sudeswanto 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 pake google earth yah mbah? ^^ hehehe
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Embah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 26 September 2006 15:16
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
 
 
   Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
 
   Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..
 
   Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker
   ASING lagi)... hehehe...
 
   NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...
 
   Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran
   ama bule... JUST KIDDING
 
   ...
 
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[obrolan-bandar] BUMI Bantah Dapat Pinjaman US$1.2 Milyar

PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI) membantah sudah mendapatkan dana pinjaman
sebesar US$1.2 milyar untuk melanjutkan program membeli kembali (buy
back) saham perseroan.
Manajemen BUMI dalam laporannya kepada Bursa Efek
Jakarta (BEJ) menyatakan, yang benar adalah perseroan menggelar road show
ke luar negeri mulai tanggal 11 September 2006 untuk mencari pinjaman senilai
US$1.2 milyar dan hasilnya baru diketahui 29 September mendatang.
Sekretaris Perusahaan BUMI Geroad Jusuf juga
menyatakan, dana pinjaman itu nantinya bukan untuk buy back melainkan untuk
modal kerja sekitar US$395 juta dan belanja perusahaan lainnya.

-Original Message-From: up_trends
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 26 September 2006
14:51To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject:
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

maaf Pak, kalo boleh saya kasih saran, setiap saham ada sifat, gak bisa
di percaya research berita berita, wong berita div 200 merger
, jual kpc bisa dibuat diingkari. gak taunya hasilnya BIG FAT
0.nah sekarang dapat pinjaman. itu beneran ato boongan?yg tau cuman
satu. yah itu si menkesengsaraan sendiri. yg saya tau sih kalo 700 jd
offer, siap siap bumi merosot lagi. On 9/26/06, Handika
Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: Saya saat ini
megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut
saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato
tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk
invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan
(strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya
baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh
pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri
yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika
dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model
masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg
sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus
dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal
ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat
Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury
: Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below
IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank
syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high
confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI
may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based
on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains
at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik ji3soe

Kalau anda nasabah CP minta ngomong aja sama analisnya yang bilang 
fair value bumi itu 1000 lebih. Tanya dia gimana cara ngitungnya apa 
asumsi yang mendasarinya dan bagaimana bisa mencapai ke angka 
tersebut. 

Nilai suatu saham baru bisa dihitung apabila perusahaan sudah 
menerapkan Good Corporate Governance yang sangat tinggi. Menurut anda 
GCG nya bumi itu bagaimana ? (saya kira anda dapat menilai sendiri 
dengan jelas manajemen / owner bumi itu orang yang dapat dipercaya 
atau bukan). 
 
Di klubsaham.com dulu ada pakar yang membahas dengan detail maksud 
tipuan  corporate actionnya bumi.Sayang saya tidak ketemu linknya. 
Tapi intinya si bandit itu mau mindahin utang usd200jt dgn bunga 
tinggi ke investor publik yg kasih duit ke owner tanpa bunga. 

Mungkin saja sih bumi bisa balik lagi tapi saya rasa tidak mungkin 
dalam waktu dekat. it is a very long long journey , setelah si bandit 
buyback kembali saham yang dilempar kepasar dengan harga murah.

Mengenai option, di dunia investasi ini kaga ada yang high return tapi 
low risk. Kalau anda ingin return 10% per bulan ,harus siap juga untuk 
menerima resiko rugi yang besar pula. 
 
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak 
(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/
saham.
 Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato 
tidak?
 Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest 
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi 
konservatif).
 
 Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang 
klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
 Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.
 Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair 
value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200
 
 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham 
ini?
 Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October 
bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat
 
 Terimakasih banyak
 
 Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
 Special Mention:
  BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below  IDR690. The fact that it has secured 
a foreign bank syndicated loan shows  that
   foreign investors have still high  confidence in BUMI's future. If 
everything goes on smoothly, BUMI  may
   return to visit IDR950 within  threee months. Fair value based on 
assets and Gordon growth  methodology
   remains at  IDR1,100-IDR1,200
 
 
   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik ariabela

Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2
juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...

Aria


 Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc...
 tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.

   - Original Message -
   From: up_trends
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?


   what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial
   lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.

   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
   
klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
   
- Original Message -
From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak
   (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp
   200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan
   ato tidak?
Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest
   options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi
   konservatif).
   
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang
   klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2
   luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
   luar.
Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung
   fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 -
   Rp1200
   
Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham
   ini?
Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
   October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
   
Terimakasih banyak
   
Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
   
   
Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
   secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If
   everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on
   assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
   
   
   
   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik tjendrasa

Strategy bagus Bah, good goggle earth trick, hehehe



 Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?


 Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..

 Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker
 ASING lagi)... hehehe...

 NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...

 Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran
 ama bule... JUST KIDDING

 ...

 embah


 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMICAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa
sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil
dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat
riset Valbury :Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u 
a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well...
   come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA 
of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
IDR6.6 trillion.

   If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...

   The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers

   So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential 
for long term investment.

   cheers
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
ya - nanti lama2
 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
 
 Aria
 
  Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
etc...
  tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: up_trends
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
 
 
  what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa 
sial
  lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@
  wrote:
  
  
   klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
   tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
   itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Handika Wisnu
   To: Bandar
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak
  (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp
  200/saham.
   Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan
  ato tidak?
   Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest
  options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi
  konservatif).
  
   Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
bilang
  klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
bank2
  luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
   Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
  luar.
   Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung
  fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
Rp1100 -
  Rp1200
  
   Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham
  ini?
   Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
  October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
  
   Terimakasih banyak
  
   Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
  
  
   Special Mention:
   BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
  secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
   foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. 
If
  everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
   return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on
  assets and Gordon growth methodology
   remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
  
  
  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand withwhat you said... peaceup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and
please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria
Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu
riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari
banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan
shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik danny alexander




Wah keliatan mbah lagi santai ama bule hehehehhe :))On 9/26/06, Embah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..

Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker 
ASING lagi)... hehehe...

NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...

Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran 
ama bule... JUST KIDDING

...

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik danny alexander




Ini link nya pak semoga membantu :D

http://www.klubsaham.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=52mode=threadorder=0thold=0
On 9/26/06, ji3soe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:













  



Kalau anda nasabah CP minta ngomong aja sama analisnya yang bilang 
fair value bumi itu 1000 lebih. Tanya dia gimana cara ngitungnya apa 
asumsi yang mendasarinya dan bagaimana bisa mencapai ke angka 
tersebut. 

Nilai suatu saham baru bisa dihitung apabila perusahaan sudah 
menerapkan Good Corporate Governance yang sangat tinggi. Menurut anda 
GCG nya bumi itu bagaimana ? (saya kira anda dapat menilai sendiri 
dengan jelas manajemen / owner bumi itu orang yang dapat dipercaya 
atau bukan). 
 
Di klubsaham.com dulu ada pakar yang membahas dengan detail maksud 
tipuan  corporate actionnya bumi.Sayang saya tidak ketemu linknya. 
Tapi intinya si bandit itu mau mindahin utang usd200jt dgn bunga 
tinggi ke investor publik yg kasih duit ke owner tanpa bunga. 

Mungkin saja sih bumi bisa balik lagi tapi saya rasa tidak mungkin 
dalam waktu dekat. it is a very long long journey , setelah si bandit 
buyback kembali saham yang dilempar kepasar dengan harga murah.

Mengenai option, di dunia investasi ini kaga ada yang high return tapi 
low risk. Kalau anda ingin return 10% per bulan ,harus siap juga untuk 
menerima resiko rugi yang besar pula. 
 
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

wrote:

 Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak 
(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/
saham.
 Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato 
tidak?
 Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest 
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi 
konservatif).
 
 Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang 
klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
 Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.
 Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair 
value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200
 
 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham 
ini?
 Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October 
bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat
 
 Terimakasih banyak
 
 Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
 Special Mention:
  BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below  IDR690. The fact that it has secured 
a foreign bank syndicated loan shows  that
   foreign investors have still high  confidence in BUMI's future. If 
everything goes on smoothly, BUMI  may
   return to visit IDR950 within  threee months. Fair value based on 
assets and Gordon growth  methodology
   remains at  IDR1,100-IDR1,200
 
 
  		
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Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Re: A treasure of Stock Trading Books

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik mircmonkee

Yoi boi ni papas ni nada entendi pero eso es ok que cavo no te digo
que hay i have bajado todos los ebooks. pero eso no es the question

U got off the main topic i asked

Have those corrupted files been fixed?
either way
gracias por todo ur work


y hora to find un impridor..ay arriba muchachos..y muchachas
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tukang Sapu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Si usted no puede incluso entender que cualquier bahasa porquÃ©
usted incluso incomodÃ³ ensamblar adentro? Ã©sta no es una lista que
envÃa de habla hispana no que los miembros incapaces hablan inglÃ©s,
y esto no es una lista que envÃa del ebook de todos modos.
 
 Se vocÃª nÃ£o puder mesmo compreender que todo o bahasa porque vocÃª
se incomodou mesmo juntar dentro? esta nÃ£o Ã© uma lista enviando
faladora do espanhol nÃ£o que os membros incapazes falem o inglÃªs, e
esta nÃ£o Ã© uma lista enviando do ebook de qualquer maneira.
 
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ÎÎ½Î±Ï ÎºÎ±ÏÎ¬Î»Î¿Î³Î¿Ï Î´Î¹ÎµÏÎ¸ÏÎ½ÏÎµÏÎ½ ebook
Î¿ÏÏÏÎ´Î®ÏÎ¿ÏÎµ.
 
 Si vous ne pouvez pas mÃªme comprendre que n'importe quel bahasa
pourquoi vous a mÃªme pris la peine de se joindre dedans ? ce n'est
pas une liste d'expÃ©dition de langue espagnole pas que les membres
incapables parle anglais, et ce n'est pas une liste d'expÃ©dition
d'ebook de toute faÃ§on.
 
 mircmonkee [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:   
  Wud U please re respond In English or Spanish?
  I dont read Bahasa Indonesian, cant reat, write, or speak it.
  Yo aoy ESPANOL. So why am I in a forum that I cant even read, you ask?
  Los Ebooks Los Ebooks!!
  I am a cheap Charlie, wont pay a peso much less a Rp. for any
download. 
  I am almost finished dling them all. Its taken some time but I shall
  sooner or later download them all. I cant read all those books that
fast.
  
  Again, Thankx for the ebooks but please repond in English or spanish
  
  MircMonkee in Texas,USA
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, KhongChakim khongchakim@
  wrote:
  
   Salam,
   untuk download, mending bayarin orang  dech.
   itu banyak warnet, orang yang jaga khan nganggur..
   saya titip download di warnet cuma habis Rp. 200 per megabyte.
   udah di burn di CD lagi (isinya data download dan extract-nya, alias
  terima
   bersih)

   Khong

   ---Original Message---

   From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:56:05
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: A treasure of Stock Trading Books

   Wondo, Bro, what happened to file numbers: 3,5,8,10,12,17,42,43?
   
   This rapidshare is not too RAPID, esp the FREE downloads. Makes me
   wait inbetween each download if I download using broadband. If I use
   dial up, well do u know how long it takes to download 21 or even 12
   megs on dailup, yes a lifetime.
   Is there any other way we can download these large files besides
   rapidshare?
   
   How about the following?
   ==
   http://www.sendthisfile.com/
   
   http://www.filesdirect.com/
   
   http://www.yousendit.com/
   
   http://s1.quicksharing.com/v/1184251/FairUse4WM.rar.html
   
   http://d.turboupload.com/de.tu
   
   http://www.loombo.com/loombo.aspx
   
   http://www.pando.com/beta/
   
   Thanx again for the great ebooks
   Keep the good work up. I for one am greatful.
   Now if only I knew how to read. Joking, joking
   MircMonkee
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, wondo aja wondo_aja2@ wrote:
   
Dear all;
mungkin ada manfaatnya buat kita semua.

peace
wondo :_)


Dear friend:

I am giving below links for a huge collection of Stock trdaing
   Books for your downloading.

http://rapidshare.de/files/22280662/Stock_Books_1.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22281334/Stock_Books_2.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22284057/Stock_books_4.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22283628/Stock_Books_6.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22285668/Stock_books_7.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22285584/Stock_Books_9.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22287295/Stock_books_11.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22287493/stock_books_13.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22299942/Stock_books_14.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22299923/Stock_books_15.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22300139/Stock_books_16.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22299962/Stock_books_18.zip 
http://rapidshare.de/files/22965875/Stock_books_19.zip

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that 
i don't understand with what you said...
   peace
 
 up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
rally giving u 
 a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  well...
  come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
 and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
 BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with 
PTBA 
 of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
 IDR6.6 trillion.
  
  If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
 or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...
  
  The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
 flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
  
  So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
 largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential 
 for long term investment.
  
  cheers
  
  ariabela@ wrote:
  Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
 ya - nanti lama2
  juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
  
  Aria
  
   Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
 etc...
   tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: up_trends
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa 
 sial
   lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@
   wrote:
   
   
klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
   
- Original Message -
From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak
   (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp
   200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
dipertahankan
   ato tidak?
Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest
   options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi
   konservatif).
   
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
 bilang
   klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
 bank2
   luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
   luar.
Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung
   fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
 Rp1100 -
   Rp1200
   
Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
saham
   ini?
Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
   October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
   
Terimakasih banyak
   
Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
   
   
Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
   secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
future. 
 If
   everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based 
on
   assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
   
   
   
   
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2 words opportunity cost.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that 
i don't understand with what you said...
   peace
 
 up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
rally giving u 
 a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  well...
  come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
 and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
 BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with 
PTBA 
 of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
 IDR6.6 trillion.
  
  If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
 or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...
  
  The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
 flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
  
  So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
 largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential 
 for long term investment.
  
  cheers
  
  ariabela@ wrote:
  Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
 ya - nanti lama2
  juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
  
  Aria
  
   Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
 etc...
   tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: up_trends
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa 
 sial
   lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@
   wrote:
   
   
klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
   
- Original Message -
From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak
   (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp
   200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
dipertahankan
   ato tidak?
Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest
   options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi
   konservatif).
   
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
 bilang
   klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
 bank2
   luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
   luar.
Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung
   fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
 Rp1100 -
   Rp1200
   
Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
saham
   ini?
Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
   October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
   
Terimakasih banyak
   
Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
   
   
Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
   secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
future. 
 If
   everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based 
on
   assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
   
   
   
   
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that 
i don't understand with what you said...
   peace
 
 up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
rally giving u 
 a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  well...
  come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
 and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
 BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with 
PTBA 
 of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
 IDR6.6 trillion.
  
  If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
 or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...
  
  The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
 flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
  
  So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
 largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential 
 for long term investment.
  
  cheers
  
  ariabela@ wrote:
  Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
 ya - nanti lama2
  juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
  
  Aria
  
   Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
 etc...
   tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: up_trends
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa 
 sial
   lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@
   wrote:
   
   
klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
   
- Original Message -
From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak
   (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp
   200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
dipertahankan
   ato tidak?
Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest
   options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi
   konservatif).
   
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
 bilang
   klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
 bank2
   luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor
   luar.
Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung
   fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
 Rp1100 -
   Rp1200
   
Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
saham
   ini?
Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
   October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat
   
Terimakasih banyak
   
Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
   
   
Special Mention:
BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
   secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
future. 
 If
   everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based 
on
   assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200
   
   
   
   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of
IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi
manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesanatapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message -From: Handika WisnuTo: BandarSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari
pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :
Special Mention:BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows thatforeign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI mayreturn to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodologyremains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200-- --Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr 
at 2500 at that time 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of 
my fund
   and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..

   but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that 
Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share 
price was at 4,400haha
   peace ah..
 
 up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is 
that 
 i don't understand with what you said...
  peace
  
  up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
  the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
 rally giving u 
  a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   well...
   come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
  and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
  BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with 
 PTBA 
  of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
  IDR6.6 trillion.
   
   If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
  or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as 
Inco...
   
   The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
  flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
   
   So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
  largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
potential 
  for long term investment.
   
   cheers
   
   ariabela@ wrote:
   Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
  ya - nanti lama2
   juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
   
   Aria
   
Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
  etc...
tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
   
- Original Message -
From: up_trends
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
ketimpa 
  sial
lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
   
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution 
jamal@
wrote:


 klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
 tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
 itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya

 - Original Message -
 From: Handika Wisnu
 To: Bandar
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?


 Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan 
banyak
(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen 
Rp
200/saham.
 Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
 dipertahankan
ato tidak?
 Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk 
invest
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan 
(strategi
konservatif).

 Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
  bilang
klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
  bank2
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg 
diminta.
 Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama 
investor
luar.
 Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika 
dihitung
fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
  Rp1100 -
Rp1200

 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
 saham
ini?
 Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe 
kelewat

 Terimakasih banyak

 Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :


 Special Mention:
 BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
 foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
 future. 
  If
everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
 return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value 
based 
 on
assets and Gordon growth methodology
 remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200




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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

funny when some people said this stock is good  but actually they 
still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, 
why u still don't have bumi? :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of 
my fund
   and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..

   but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that 
Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share 
price was at 4,400haha
   peace ah..
 
 up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is 
that 
 i don't understand with what you said...
  peace
  
  up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
  the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
 rally giving u 
  a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   well...
   come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action 
  and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), 
  BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with 
 PTBA 
  of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of 
  IDR6.6 trillion.
   
   If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing 
  or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as 
Inco...
   
   The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
  flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
   
   So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
  largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
potential 
  for long term investment.
   
   cheers
   
   ariabela@ wrote:
   Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
  ya - nanti lama2
   juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
   
   Aria
   
Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC 
  etc...
tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
   
- Original Message -
From: up_trends
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
ketimpa 
  sial
lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
   
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution 
jamal@
wrote:


 klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
 tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut
 itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya

 - Original Message -
 From: Handika Wisnu
 To: Bandar
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?


 Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan 
banyak
(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen 
Rp
200/saham.
 Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
 dipertahankan
ato tidak?
 Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk 
invest
options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan 
(strategi
konservatif).

 Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury 
  bilang
klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya 
  bank2
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg 
diminta.
 Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama 
investor
luar.
 Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika 
dihitung
fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di 
  Rp1100 -
Rp1200

 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya 
 saham
ini?
 Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir
October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe 
kelewat

 Terimakasih banyak

 Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :


 Special Mention:
 BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has
secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that
 foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's 
 future. 
  If
everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may
 return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value 
based 
 on
assets and Gordon growth methodology
 remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200




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[obrolan-bandar] Re: info peraturan NPL Bank= BBNI vs BMRI

Walaupun berganti baju yg jelas BBNI sudah mencapai 2020 hari 
ini...
Kalau sudah begini para analis akan BEREBUTAN meng-cover..
Yang jelas Welcome to the Jungle...

Good Job; Bozz!

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Banyak trader menunggu penyelesaian NPL (BBNI, BMRI)bahkan naiknya 
 BMRI!?
 Berkali-kali BBNI MENYODOK terus 
 
 Melihat BD MENGUASAI LAPANGAN di BBNI..
 Artinya PENUMPANG GELAP sangat MINIM...
 TA Trader PUN (mungkin) tidak berani TRADING alasan LIKUIDITAS
 
 Benar2 PERSIAPAN JCI flying high AGAIN.
 Somedays.hopefully
 
 Regards
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Siswa Rizali pidie@ 
 wrote:
 
  ada info mengenai perkembangan pelaksanaan peraturan 
penyelesaian 
 NPL 
  Bank?
  
  BNI sudah buat pengumuman besar2-an tuh.
  
  bgmn dgn yg lain?
  
  
  salam,
  rz
 







 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... heheup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: nopebut i may be
looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peaceup_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+
gain while bumi ... :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc...tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message -From: up_trendsTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent:
Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa siallumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak(menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankanato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk investoptions di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategikonservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilangklo BUMI msh pny
masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investorluar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitungfair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 -Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya sahamini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhirOctober bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan
dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it hassecured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. Ifeverything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based onassets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 ----
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?


( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr 
 at 2500 at that time )

and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok

Redy






 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

hehe...so rude. no wonder...edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that
funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..
up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote:
well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has
potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From:
Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif).
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknyabank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih diRp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap
akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future.If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology
remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 
rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price now 
I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it 
will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D

Redy
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes
 maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the answer 
to 
 you. :)
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
 IDR35so...take an easy...
hehe
  
  up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
funny when some people said this stock is good but 
 actually they 
  still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 
 1200, 
  why u still don't have bumi? :)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big 
chunk 
 of 
  my fund
   and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..
   
   but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people 
that 
  Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's 
share 
  price was at 4,400haha
   peace ah..
   
   up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
   I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
   pemainbesar@ wrote:
   
don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now 
is 
  that 
   i don't understand with what you said...
peace

up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
   rally giving u 
a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
pemainbesar@ wrote:

 well...
 come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate 
 action 
and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month 
earnings), 
BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared 
with 
   PTBA 
of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or 
ANTM 
 of 
IDR6.6 trillion.
 
 If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of 
 refinancing 
or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as 
  Inco...
 
 The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
 
 So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
  potential 
for long term investment.
 
 cheers
 
 ariabela@ wrote:
 Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
ya - nanti lama2
 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
 
 Aria
 
  Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. 
ie :Arutmin, 
 KPC 
etc...
  tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: up_trends
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
 
 
  what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
  ketimpa 
sial
  lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution 
  jamal@
  wrote:
  
  
   klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
   tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
nyangkut
   itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Handika Wisnu
   To: Bandar
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg 
lumayan 
  banyak
  (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi 
 dividen 
  Rp
  200/saham.
   Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
   dipertahankan
  ato tidak?
   Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan 
untuk 
  invest
  options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan 
  (strategi
  konservatif).
  
   Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset 
 Valbury 
bilang
  klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari 
 banyaknya 
bank2
  luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg 
  diminta.
   Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama 
  investor
  luar.
   Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika 
  dihitung
  fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih 
di 
Rp1100 -
  Rp1200
  
   Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti 
diapain 
 ya 
   saham
  ini?
   Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap 
 akhir
  October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe 
  kelewat
  
   Terimakasih

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they
still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert
pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion,
compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg
punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial
lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknyabank2
luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih diRp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :))
Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about 
it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that 
the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it 
below 700...
Let see...

Redy


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak.
 serius bgt neh semua. 
 
 and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
  It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
  Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
 
 yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha.
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
 redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
 
  
  ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in 
untr 
   at 2500 at that time )
  
  and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
  It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
  Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
  
  Redy
 







 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

Sangat menarik...
Ngikutin Obrolan (Long Term) Investor vs Trader yg pengen ketemu 
di BUMI.

Cheers

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 
 rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price 
now 
 I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it 
 will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D
 
 Redy
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
 wrote:
 
  haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes
  maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the 
answer 
 to 
  you. :)
  
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
  IDR35so...take an easy...
 hehe
   
   up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
 funny when some people said this stock is good but 
  actually they 
   still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 
  1200, 
   why u still don't have bumi? :)
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
   pemainbesar@ wrote:
   
nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big 
 chunk 
  of 
   my fund
and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 
rups..

but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people 
 that 
   Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's 
 share 
   price was at 4,400haha
peace ah..

up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
pemainbesar@ wrote:

 don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now 
 is 
   that 
i don't understand with what you said...
 peace
 
 up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
 the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
rally giving u 
 a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  well...
  come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate 
  action 
 and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month 
 earnings), 
 BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared 
 with 
PTBA 
 of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or 
 ANTM 
  of 
 IDR6.6 trillion.
  
  If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of 
  refinancing 
 or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive 
as 
   Inco...
  
  The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
 flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
  
  So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are 
the 
 largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
   potential 
 for long term investment.
  
  cheers
  
  ariabela@ wrote:
  Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
 ya - nanti lama2
  juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
  
  Aria
  
   Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. 
 ie :Arutmin, 
  KPC 
 etc...
   tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: up_trends
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
   ketimpa 
 sial
   lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal 
Nasution 
   jamal@
   wrote:
   
   
klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
 nyangkut
itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
   
- Original Message -
From: Handika Wisnu
To: Bandar
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
   
   
Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg 
 lumayan 
   banyak
   (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi 
  dividen 
   Rp
   200/saham.
Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
dipertahankan
   ato tidak?
Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan 
 untuk 
   invest
   options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan 
   (strategi
   konservatif).
   
Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset 
  Valbury 
 bilang
   klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari 
  banyaknya 
 bank2
   luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg 
   diminta.
Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya 
sama 
   investor
   luar.
Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika 
   dihitung
   fair

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik edy1276

Sorry..
No heart feeling please..
I was rude before.
We make friends not enemy in capital market.
More friends more idea.
Cheers
334

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of 
mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's 
else opinion...
   i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people 
like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big 
investment...so.. my apology, then..
   this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as 
disclaimer and ignore them...
   promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore...
   and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak 
vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in 
investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market
   peace and cheers to you all
   bye
   
 
 edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some 
big chunk of 
  my fund
 Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..
 not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
 IDR35so...take an easy...
 Menjilat ludah sendiri
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
 IDR35so...take an easy...
  hehe
  
  up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
  funny when some people said this stock is good but 
 actually they 
  still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 
 1200, 
  why u still don't have bumi? :)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big 
chunk 
 of 
  my fund
   and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..
   
   but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people 
that 
  Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's 
share 
  price was at 4,400haha
   peace ah..
   
   up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
   I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
   pemainbesar@ wrote:
   
don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is 
  that 
   i don't understand with what you said...
peace

up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
   rally giving u 
a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
pemainbesar@ wrote:

 well...
 come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate 
 action 
and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month 
earnings), 
BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared 
with 
   PTBA 
of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or 
ANTM 
 of 
IDR6.6 trillion.
 
 If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of 
 refinancing 
or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as 
  Inco...
 
 The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
 
 So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
  potential 
for long term investment.
 
 cheers
 
 ariabela@ wrote:
 Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
ya - nanti lama2
 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
 
 Aria
 
  Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, 
 KPC 
etc...
  tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: up_trends
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
 
 
  what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
  ketimpa 
sial
  lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution 
  jamal@
  wrote:
  
  
   klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
   tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
nyangkut
   itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Handika Wisnu
   To: Bandar
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan 
  banyak
  (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi 
 dividen 
  Rp
  200/saham.
   Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak 
   dipertahankan
  ato tidak?
   Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk 
  invest
  options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan 
  (strategi
  konservatif).
  
   Tapi barusan saya baca review

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :))
 Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about 
 it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that 
 the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it 
 below 700...
 Let see...
 
 Redy
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
 wrote:
 
  waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak.
  serius bgt neh semua. 
  
  and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
   It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
   Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
  
  yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha.
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
  redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
  
   
   ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest 
in 
 untr 
at 2500 at that time )
   
   and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
   It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
   Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
   
   Redy
  
 








 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

Take it easy Frederick, please stay posting here, I think you give 
this milis new perpektif, actually I compared your advice with real 
world, and it' so accurate last time when everyone said the 
index will be down... you said the contrary, and you are right... 
and your explanation so rational I'm rational person and always 
search the reason behind an event...
Just stay here ok, I know many of member here will miss your 
oppinion...

Redy

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of 
mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's 
else opinion...
   i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people 
like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big 
investment...so.. my apology, then..
   this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as 
disclaimer and ignore them...
   promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore...
   and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak 
vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in 
investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market
   peace and cheers to you all
   bye
   
 
 edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some 
big chunk of 
  my fund
 Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..
 not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
 IDR35so...take an easy...
 Menjilat ludah sendiri
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
 pemainbesar@ wrote:
 
  not that funnyi stll have some at an average of 
 IDR35so...take an easy...
  hehe
  
  up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
  funny when some people said this stock is good but 
 actually they 
  still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 
 1200, 
  why u still don't have bumi? :)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
  pemainbesar@ wrote:
  
   nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big 
chunk 
 of 
  my fund
   and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..
   
   but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people 
that 
  Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's 
share 
  price was at 4,400haha
   peace ah..
   
   up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
   I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
   pemainbesar@ wrote:
   
don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now 
is 
  that 
   i don't understand with what you said...
peace

up_trends up_trends@ wrote:
the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks 
   rally giving u 
a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
pemainbesar@ wrote:

 well...
 come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate 
 action 
and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month 
earnings), 
BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared 
with 
   PTBA 
of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or 
ANTM 
 of 
IDR6.6 trillion.
 
 If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of 
 refinancing 
or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as 
  Inco...
 
 The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash 
flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers
 
 So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the 
largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has 
  potential 
for long term investment.
 
 cheers
 
 ariabela@ wrote:
 Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, 
ya - nanti lama2
 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...
 
 Aria
 
  Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. 
ie :Arutmin, 
 KPC 
etc...
  tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: up_trends
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
 
 
  what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, 
  ketimpa 
sial
  lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution 
  jamal@
  wrote:
  
  
   klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana
   tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak 
nyangkut
   itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Handika Wisnu
   To: Bandar
   Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM
   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?
  
  
   Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg 
lumayan 
  banyak
  (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi 
 dividen

[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang 
bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. 

gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn 
fund fund yg lain?
gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative 
saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus 
flexible 
 to???  bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, 
 siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga 
 anda... who knows... :))
 
 Redy
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
 wrote:
 
  asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
  redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
  
   Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :))
   Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about 
   it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... 
 that 
   the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited 
 it 
   below 700...
   Let see...
   
   Redy
   
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
   wrote:
   
waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak.
serius bgt neh semua. 

and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
 It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
 Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok

yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
redyherinantoalb@ wrote:

 
 ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to 
 invest 
  in 
   untr 
  at 2500 at that time )
 
 and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
 It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
 Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
 
 Redy

   
  
 







 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of 
BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment 
when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... 
it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the 
world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, 
dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu 
murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... 
profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan

Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of 
myself reksadana :D

Redy

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya 
bilang 
 bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. 
 
 gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn 
 fund fund yg lain?
 gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative 
 saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
 redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
 
  Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus 
 flexible 
  to???  bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability 
nya, 
  siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga 
  anda... who knows... :))
  
  Redy
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
  wrote:
  
   asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
   redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
   
Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada 
aja... :))
Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick 
about 
it there is no problem at all about BUMI 
profitability... 
  that 
the most important I don't know what scenario, but I 
waited 
  it 
below 700...
Let see...

Redy


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends 
up_trends@ 
wrote:

 waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat 
pak.
 serius bgt neh semua. 
 
 and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
  It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
  Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
 
 yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha.
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
 redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
 
  
  ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to 
  invest 
   in 
untr 
   at 2500 at that time )
  
  and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
  It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
  Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
  
  Redy
 

   
  
 








 
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[obrolan-bandar] Daily Technical Analysis Research (Sterling 27 September 2006 12.00 GMT +7)

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik Aditya

Daily Technical Analysis Research (Sterling 27 September 2006 12.00 GMT +7)
Sterling diperkirakan masih akan berlanjut melemah pada perdagangan hari ini akibat sentimen positif market atas naikknya data consumer confidence US kemarin.. Market akan cenderung flat sampai dengan pembukaan market Eropa nanti. Beberapa data ekonomi dari wilayah UK yang diperkirakan bisa menjadi penggerak market antara lain adalah data GDP UK dan data Current Account UK. Jika dilihat dari forecastnya Sterling berpeluang terkoreksi akibat kedua data ini.
Support kuat di kisaran 1.8925 masih gagal ditembus dan memberi peluang rebound baru pada perdagangan hari ini sampai kisaran resistant di 1.8965. Perhatikan resistant di kisaran 1.8965 - 1.8970 tembusan ke atas level ini membuka peluang bauy baru sampai kisaran 1.8995, target point berikutnya sampai dengan kisaran 1.9025. REsistant kuat di 1.9000 akan menjadi penghalang bagi pair ini untuk kembali menguat. (Buy: 1.8965 TP1: 1.8990 TP2: 19025 SL: 1.8945) Tembusnya resistant kuat di 1.9030 (high kemarin di 1.9029) membuka peluang buy baru sampai ke kisaran resistant di 1.9070
Jika Sterling gagal melakukan tembusan di 1.9000 ambil peluang sell baru di 1.8980 dengan target point awal di 1.8950, Target point berikutnya di 1.8930, stop loss di kisaran 1.9000. (Sell 1.8980 TP1: 1.8950,TP2: 18930 SL: 19000)
Tembusan ke support di 1.8925 membuka peluang bagi pair uini untuk menyentuh titik 1.8900 sebagai support kuat. Peluang sell berikutnya ada dikisaran 1.8880 tembusan kebawah titik support ini membuka kesempatan bagi Sterling untuk terus terjun bebas sampai ke kisaran 1.8850 (Sell: 1.8925 TP1: 1.8900 TP2 1.8880 SL: 18945). Diperkirakan titik 1.8880 dan 1.8850 akan menjadi support kuat yang sulit untuk ditembus. Ambil peluang buy disana.
Support Vs Resistant
Support: 1.8930, 1.8900, 1.8850
Pivot:1.8950
Resistant: 1.8980, 1.9000, 1.9030
Suggest Indikator:
Moving Average: 30, 60
Relative Strenght Index: 11
Chart GBP 1H ( Spread 3, with Trailing Stop, No commision)

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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr 
ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. 
kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya 
dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah 
warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato 
market yg salah? 

tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi 
berlibur kayak Mbah. :) 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of 
 BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment 
 when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... 
 it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the 
 world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, 
 dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu 
 murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory 
tinggi... 
 profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan
 
 Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of 
 myself reksadana :D
 
 Redy
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
 wrote:
 
  terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya 
 bilang 
  bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. 
  
  gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete 
dgn 
  fund fund yg lain?
  gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative 
  saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:)
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
  redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
  
   Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus 
  flexible 
   to???  bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability 
 nya, 
   siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga 
   anda... who knows... :))
   
   Redy
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ 
   wrote:
   
asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
redyherinantoalb@ wrote:

 Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada 
 aja... :))
 Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick 
 about 
 it there is no problem at all about BUMI 
 profitability... 
   that 
 the most important I don't know what scenario, but I 
 waited 
   it 
 below 700...
 Let see...
 
 Redy
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends 
 up_trends@ 
 wrote:
 
  waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat 
 pak.
  serius bgt neh semua. 
  
  and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
   It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
   Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
  
  yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha.
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb 
  redyherinantoalb@ wrote:
  
   
   ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to 
   invest 
in 
 untr 
at 2500 at that time )
   
   and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D
   It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :))
   Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok
   
   Redy
  
 

   
  
 








 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?