Re: [ob] --- CLOSED ---
Tambahan pertanyaan. Jika ternyata memang menurut Bwijaya, SMI dan B bersalah mengeluarkan kebijakan bail out terlepas dari pro/kontra dan SBY sudah back up mereka, tolong kasih kandidat pengganti menurut dia untuk posisi berikut: 1. Menkeu 2. Gubernur BI 3. Wapres 4. Presiden Satu orang boleh, multiple ok. Cuma ingin tahu saja dan memahami cara dia berfikir dan memandang persoalan, jangan cuma terpengaruh sama OPINI ORANG (repeat ORANG LAIN). -Original Message- From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:33:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] --- CLOSED --- If you were gubernur BI atau menkeu, what would you do at that time? 2010/3/7 Bwijaya emailkes...@gmail.com
Re: [ob] --- CLOSED ---
Tambahan pertanyaan. Jika ternyata memang menurut Bwijaya, SMI dan B bersalah mengeluarkan kebijakan bail out terlepas dari pro/kontra dan SBY sudah back up mereka, tolong kasih kandidat pengganti menurut dia untuk posisi berikut: 1. Menkeu 2. Gubernur BI 3. Wapres 4. Presiden Satu orang boleh, multiple ok. Cuma ingin tahu saja dan memahami cara dia berfikir dan memandang persoalan, jangan cuma terpengaruh sama OPINI ORANG (repeat ORANG LAIN). -Original Message- From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:33:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] --- CLOSED --- If you were gubernur BI atau menkeu, what would you do at that time? 2010/3/7 Bwijaya emailkes...@gmail.com
Re: [ob] gitu aja repot
Setuju Prof. Saya sudah dengar issue ini dihembuskan sejak sebelum Pemilu. So what. Ada yg terpengaruh dan pastinya ada yg melihat dari sudut pandang yang jernih bagaimana memilih pemimpin. Nobodys perfect. Semua manusia pasti punya sisi kelam. Sekarang bagaimana kita memandangnya. Simple saja, adakah pemimpin Republik ini yang lebih baik dari SBY? Rakyat sudah bisa bedakanlah, mana yg karbitan dan mana yg capable. SBY ini dalam kehidupan kesehariannya selalu berdiskusi dengan orang2 terdekatnya dan saling bertukar fikiran bagaimana membuat kehidupan dan kesejahteraan rakyat menjadi lebih baik lagi. Maaf kalau ikut komentar...abis tidak tahan... -Original Message- From: JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:41:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] gitu aja repot Sudahlah boss, kita ngomong fakta sama data aja lah., lu mau bilang duit buat pemilu kek, apa kek, faktanya ngga ada BUKTI duit masuk ke Demokrat..., udh dua bulan lebih noh diubek-ubek, tetep aje ngga ketemu, jadi ente jangan berandai-andai lah, jangan ngarang, kalo ada bukti kasih aja ke pansus noh, gua jamin ente pasti jadi pahlawan dan bakal disanjung banyak orang, tapi kalo cuma bisa ngomong; kayaknya, sepertinya, menurut gue, kita tau lah..., etc..etc.. Mending Ngga usah dibahas lah boss, bikin repot ajeee. Hehehe... Masalah sistemik apa bukan, ente debat aje noh Prof Budiono sama DR. SMI. Hehe JT ** Sometimes, Instinct Is Your Only Confirmation ** Web: www.JsxTrader.com Tweet: @JT_jsxtrader -Original Message- From: Bwijaya emailkes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:58:15 To: obobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] gitu aja repot alaaah pada pura-pura aja emang kita pemain pasar modal diuntungkan dengan tindakan bailout century tapi kita tahu lah saat itu mau pemilu, mau kampanye, butuh dana besar... sudahlah ngerti lah gak usah sok berteori sistemik segala orang nasabah bank centurynya sendiri banyak yg belom kebagian dana bailoutnya kok? jadi kemana dong dana triliunan itu? sudahlah gak usah bela-membela, pake logika bandarologi aja.ada pemilu. bandar perlu dana besar untuk kampanye tapi kita sebagai pemain pasar modal diuntungkan juga dengan kebijakan itu . mau bilang gue diuntungkan juga susahgitu aja repot == Coba deh googling arsip berita-berita di media masa PADA MASA ITUâ?¦â?¦, coba liat para angota dewan yang terhormat, termasuk yg paling kenceng teriaknya pada waktu itu ngomong apeâ?¦â?¦. Hehe, jadi kalo yg sekarang ngomongnya beda, anda tau lah kualitas manusia tsbâ?¦â?¦. J Web : www.JsxTrader.com Tweet : @JT_jsxtrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of api bara Sent: 05 Maret 2010 14:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Komentar thd Pidato SBY LIVE on TV setuju sekaliii... untk Pak Nobie,saya melihat bpk sangat menguasai permasalahan century,klu boleh BERTANYA apakah ada SISI BAIK dr kasus century ini.(karena setiap masalah pasti punya 2 sisi,BAIK dan BURUK). BTW,di pansus saya merasa seperti ada 2 kalimat yg HILANG(atau di hilangkan),yaitu KRISIS GLOBAL. rgd, --- Pada Jum, 5/3/10, highwaysta...@... highwaysta...@... menulis: Dari: highwaysta...@... highwaysta...@... Judul: Re: [ob] Komentar thd Pidato SBY LIVE on TV Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Maret, 2010, 6:44 AM Setuju.. That's all tujuan mereka. Sent from my computer of course! _ From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo. com Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:58:28 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Cc: jsxtra...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [ob] Komentar thd Pidato SBY LIVE on TV Kalo mau jujur, sebenernya tujuan pansus bukan untuk menjawab pertanyaan-pertanya an bapak dibawah, they really donâ?Tt careâ?¦., what they care is, apakah ada aliran dana ke DEMOKRAT. Jika ya, pemilu dianggap tidak sah, dan itulah target awalnyaâ?¦â?¦ nothing else ! Now, practically pansus TIDAK menemukan apa-apa, semua yg diungkap, sebenernya SUDAH ADA dalam temuan/laporan BPKâ?¦â?¦, jadi ngga ada yg baruâ?¦.., saya miris melihat semangat para oposan untuk menjatuhkan lawan ditengah jalan, karena ini jelas-jelas hanya akan nyusahin rakyat ajaâ?¦., bullshit lah kalo mereka bilang ini demi rakyat Maap OOT, letâ?Ts back to marketâ?¦. J - Show quoted text - Yahoo! Mail Kini Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya sekarang! http://id.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Angpao rumus $2000 ....RE: [ob] DJI technical....
Embah, Yang dinaikkan baru discount rate (interest yang harus dibayar oleh bank/institusi jika pinjam dari the Fed), bukan Fed rate. Ini salah satu program dan langkah awal the Fed untuk mengurangi quantitative easing dan basing untuk menaikkan Fed rate nanti. Impact ke bursa, yang paling kena efeknya tentu negara2 yg banyak duit carry trade, salah satunya BEJ, karena duit murah mulai berkurang di market dan sebagian harus balik kandang dulu. Tetapi, bank sendiri bisa mencari sumber pendanaan selain lending dari the Fed. Jadi untuk sementara, masih belum tentu signifikan efeknya ke bursa saham karena sudah diprediksi pasar. Tapi yang pasti, multiplier efek dengan naiknya USD, akan menjadi resisten untuk bursa bisa naik. Tinggal menunggu duit idle yang sideline selama ini, masih berapa kuat bisa menaikkan bursa saham... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical Kaget embah baca berita kenaekan suku bunga Fed ini . Mungkin yg ahli Macro bisa kasih analisa tentang impactnya kebursa... Secara Bandarmologi, embah baru bisa kasih analisa kalo sudah melihat reaksi BD atas kenaikan ini --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iffan.l...@... wrote: Mbah, the Fed naekin discount rate 0.25% jd 0.75% setelah bel tutup Dow.. Euro lgs tiarap..ini efeknya bgm secara bandarmologi? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:21:02 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical 06:20 DJI close di 10392 +83... Level 10392 adalah Fibo 62% dari Total Correction index Dow selama ini dan membuktikan Rumus $2000 yg embah kasih gratis ama Pak Rei benar lagi. Khsusus buat pak Eka, embah tuliskan lagi Rumus 2000 dollar ini, siapa tahu pak Eka belum tahu - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the CHANCE to go up to Fibo 62% (That is the Upper Line of Brown ABC PIG wave). Buat yg lain yg belum tahu, mohon diterima ini angpao $2000 dollar dari embah hehehe Hari ini mari kita puter lagu Oh Happy Day seharian buat merayakan TAL Tindakan Irasional BD BUMI kemarin. Note: Bandarmologi adalah ilmu Logika, kemarin Bandarmologi dikalahkan BD karena BD melakukan tindakan yg engga pake LOGIKA di BUMI yaitu dengan sengaja jualan dibawah COST untuk MENGECOH trader BEI. Jadi Rugi di BUMI dengan tujuan membuat orang Cut Loss di LQ45 kemarin. Jadi engga logis pada Context BUMI tapi Logis pada Context bursa keseluruhan... _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:26 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] DJI technicalRe: Japri Mbah : jual di harga setinggi mgkn dan exit ya Mbah?? http://www.obrolanb http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pibdji.png andar.com/pibdji.png - DJI running inside Blue wave and inside Upper brown wave - Now, DJI is at Upper resist of Blue Wave (red circle), so tonight will be a critical time. The GOOD things: - The US market weakest point that is Banking sector managed to rebound last night - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the chance to go up to Fibo 62% Support: - Middle Brown Line(Brown Circle) --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasahamku@ wrote: klo lihat Dow Jones yg semalem naik, sy kok lebih memilih IHSG bakal bullish...saat ini BUMI masih ijo royo-royo semoga BOZZ serius, klo ga jewerr aja Mbah :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Mungkin untuk B7 malah saatnya MASUK .. Tapi kita liat dulu hari ini, apakah BD serius atas engga di B7 hari ini, INI PENENTUANnya Kalo BD serius di BUMI, IHSG masih bisa naik lagi, Pagi ini: BD terlihat serius di BUMI dengan NGERAMPOK DIHARGA ATAS, kalo BD tidak mundur sampe closing berarti BD serius di B7. --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, art_stocking@ wrote: Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld from M1. -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:37:44 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [ob] Re: Scenario Dubai dijalankan SUMMARY tulisan embah selama ini tentang Wave B: - Pada dasarnya pada Wave B adalah saatnya Investor keluar dari bursa - IHSG naik, Trader masuk dan investor keluar - Akibatnya IHSG naik tapi tidak ada INFLOW yg mencukupi
Re: Angpao rumus $2000 ....RE: [ob] DJI technical....
Embah, Yang dinaikkan baru discount rate (interest yang harus dibayar oleh bank/institusi jika pinjam dari the Fed), bukan Fed rate. Ini salah satu program dan langkah awal the Fed untuk mengurangi quantitative easing dan basing untuk menaikkan Fed rate nanti. Impact ke bursa, yang paling kena efeknya tentu negara2 yg banyak duit carry trade, salah satunya BEJ, karena duit murah mulai berkurang di market dan sebagian harus balik kandang dulu. Tetapi, bank sendiri bisa mencari sumber pendanaan selain lending dari the Fed. Jadi untuk sementara, masih belum tentu signifikan efeknya ke bursa saham karena sudah diprediksi pasar. Tapi yang pasti, multiplier efek dengan naiknya USD, akan menjadi resisten untuk bursa bisa naik. Tinggal menunggu duit idle yang sideline selama ini, masih berapa kuat bisa menaikkan bursa saham... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical Kaget embah baca berita kenaekan suku bunga Fed ini . Mungkin yg ahli Macro bisa kasih analisa tentang impactnya kebursa... Secara Bandarmologi, embah baru bisa kasih analisa kalo sudah melihat reaksi BD atas kenaikan ini --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iffan.l...@... wrote: Mbah, the Fed naekin discount rate 0.25% jd 0.75% setelah bel tutup Dow.. Euro lgs tiarap..ini efeknya bgm secara bandarmologi? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:21:02 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical 06:20 DJI close di 10392 +83... Level 10392 adalah Fibo 62% dari Total Correction index Dow selama ini dan membuktikan Rumus $2000 yg embah kasih gratis ama Pak Rei benar lagi. Khsusus buat pak Eka, embah tuliskan lagi Rumus 2000 dollar ini, siapa tahu pak Eka belum tahu - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the CHANCE to go up to Fibo 62% (That is the Upper Line of Brown ABC PIG wave). Buat yg lain yg belum tahu, mohon diterima ini angpao $2000 dollar dari embah hehehe Hari ini mari kita puter lagu Oh Happy Day seharian buat merayakan TAL Tindakan Irasional BD BUMI kemarin. Note: Bandarmologi adalah ilmu Logika, kemarin Bandarmologi dikalahkan BD karena BD melakukan tindakan yg engga pake LOGIKA di BUMI yaitu dengan sengaja jualan dibawah COST untuk MENGECOH trader BEI. Jadi Rugi di BUMI dengan tujuan membuat orang Cut Loss di LQ45 kemarin. Jadi engga logis pada Context BUMI tapi Logis pada Context bursa keseluruhan... _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:26 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] DJI technicalRe: Japri Mbah : jual di harga setinggi mgkn dan exit ya Mbah?? http://www.obrolanb http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pibdji.png andar.com/pibdji.png - DJI running inside Blue wave and inside Upper brown wave - Now, DJI is at Upper resist of Blue Wave (red circle), so tonight will be a critical time. The GOOD things: - The US market weakest point that is Banking sector managed to rebound last night - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the chance to go up to Fibo 62% Support: - Middle Brown Line(Brown Circle) --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasahamku@ wrote: klo lihat Dow Jones yg semalem naik, sy kok lebih memilih IHSG bakal bullish...saat ini BUMI masih ijo royo-royo semoga BOZZ serius, klo ga jewerr aja Mbah :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Mungkin untuk B7 malah saatnya MASUK .. Tapi kita liat dulu hari ini, apakah BD serius atas engga di B7 hari ini, INI PENENTUANnya Kalo BD serius di BUMI, IHSG masih bisa naik lagi, Pagi ini: BD terlihat serius di BUMI dengan NGERAMPOK DIHARGA ATAS, kalo BD tidak mundur sampe closing berarti BD serius di B7. --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, art_stocking@ wrote: Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld from M1. -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:37:44 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [ob] Re: Scenario Dubai dijalankan SUMMARY tulisan embah selama ini tentang Wave B: - Pada dasarnya pada Wave B adalah saatnya Investor keluar dari bursa - IHSG naik, Trader masuk dan investor keluar - Akibatnya IHSG naik tapi tidak ada INFLOW yg mencukupi
Re: Angpao rumus $2000 ....RE: [ob] DJI technical....
Pak Rei bisa saja, I am nothing dibandingkan para suhu dan big shot disini. Saya masih harus banyak belajar. Satu hal lagi, sebenarnya cepat atau lambat the Fed harus jalankan exit program ini (naikkan discount dan kemudian Fed rate) daripada telat. Tetapi yang harus dicermati adalah reaksi dan konsensus pasar. Apakah dari segi timing sudah tepat dibayangi kekhawatiran akan credit bomb di Dubai dan sovereign crisis di EU. Hanya waktu yang akan menjawab apakah kebijakan ini tidak terlalu premature... YUTA, -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:02:06 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical Pak Yuta kalo sdh ngomong memang kelihatan berbobot! Saya setuju (dari kemarin ane setuju doang ya? hehe...yah namanya murid, dikasih ilmu yg manggut2), tapi spt yg pak Eka juga sdh kemukakan (setuju lagi nih), jangan ditanggapi berlebihan. Simplenya aja, big money sdh keluar (mungkin bukan bandar) dan akan re-enter (dikonfirmasi dgn Kang Bagus yg mengatakan yiled SUN masih tdk berubah di kisaran 8%), tentu tidak di harga sekarang. Mereka juga akan menghitung bila valuasi sdh tinggi, ya ditunggu sampai valuasi murah kembali (kecuali uang2 ini pulang ke negara mereka -- watch usd/idr). Koreksi pasti akan terjadi, masalahnya kapan dan brp dalam? Soft crash kah atau hard crash? Ingat, bulan Juni nanti ada World Cup 2010, salah satu ajang judi besar dunia if not terbesar, likuiditas akan mengering. Buat short term trader, tidak masalah! Silahkan ambil posisi dgn CL level yg jelas. Buat buy hold, no no. Maaf kalo salah...Terapkan saja strategi masing2, tetap tenang dan jangan panik (kalo gak yakin makanya main dikit2 saja jadi kalo rugi pun sedikit...jangan ikut2an senior yg sdh jelas2 jago dan kita gak lincah alahsil nyangkut, pake margin pula! hahaha) 2010/2/19 YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Embah, Yang dinaikkan baru discount rate (interest yang harus dibayar oleh bank/institusi jika pinjam dari the Fed), bukan Fed rate. Ini salah satu program dan langkah awal the Fed untuk mengurangi quantitative easing dan basing untuk menaikkan Fed rate nanti. Impact ke bursa, yang paling kena efeknya tentu negara2 yg banyak duit carry trade, salah satunya BEJ, karena duit murah mulai berkurang di market dan sebagian harus balik kandang dulu. Tetapi, bank sendiri bisa mencari sumber pendanaan selain lending dari the Fed. Jadi untuk sementara, masih belum tentu signifikan efeknya ke bursa saham karena sudah diprediksi pasar. Tapi yang pasti, multiplier efek dengan naiknya USD, akan menjadi resisten untuk bursa bisa naik. Tinggal menunggu duit idle yang sideline selama ini, masih berapa kuat bisa menaikkan bursa saham... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical Kaget embah baca berita kenaekan suku bunga Fed ini . Mungkin yg ahli Macro bisa kasih analisa tentang impactnya kebursa... Secara Bandarmologi, embah baru bisa kasih analisa kalo sudah melihat reaksi BD atas kenaikan ini --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iffan.l...@... wrote: Mbah, the Fed naekin discount rate 0.25% jd 0.75% setelah bel tutup Dow.. Euro lgs tiarap..ini efeknya bgm secara bandarmologi? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:21:02 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical 06:20 DJI close di 10392 +83... Level 10392 adalah Fibo 62% dari Total Correction index Dow selama ini dan membuktikan Rumus $2000 yg embah kasih gratis ama Pak Rei benar lagi. Khsusus buat pak Eka, embah tuliskan lagi Rumus 2000 dollar ini, siapa tahu pak Eka belum tahu - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the CHANCE to go up to Fibo 62% (That is the Upper Line of Brown ABC PIG wave). Buat yg lain yg belum tahu, mohon diterima ini angpao $2000 dollar dari embah hehehe Hari ini mari kita puter lagu Oh Happy Day seharian buat merayakan TAL Tindakan Irasional BD BUMI kemarin. Note: Bandarmologi adalah ilmu Logika, kemarin Bandarmologi dikalahkan BD karena BD melakukan tindakan yg engga pake LOGIKA di BUMI yaitu dengan sengaja jualan dibawah COST untuk MENGECOH trader BEI. Jadi Rugi di BUMI dengan tujuan membuat orang Cut Loss di LQ45 kemarin. Jadi engga logis pada Context BUMI tapi Logis pada Context bursa keseluruhan... _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:26 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] DJI technicalRe: Japri Mbah : jual di harga setinggi mgkn
Re: Angpao rumus $2000 ....RE: [ob] DJI technical....
Pak Rei bisa saja, I am nothing dibandingkan para suhu dan big shot disini. Saya masih harus banyak belajar. Satu hal lagi, sebenarnya cepat atau lambat the Fed harus jalankan exit program ini (naikkan discount dan kemudian Fed rate) daripada telat. Tetapi yang harus dicermati adalah reaksi dan konsensus pasar. Apakah dari segi timing sudah tepat dibayangi kekhawatiran akan credit bomb di Dubai dan sovereign crisis di EU. Hanya waktu yang akan menjawab apakah kebijakan ini tidak terlalu premature... YUTA, 2010/2/19 Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Pak Yuta kalo sdh ngomong memang kelihatan berbobot! Saya setuju (dari kemarin ane setuju doang ya? hehe...yah namanya murid, dikasih ilmu yg manggut2), tapi spt yg pak Eka juga sdh kemukakan (setuju lagi nih), jangan ditanggapi berlebihan. Simplenya aja, big money sdh keluar (mungkin bukan bandar) dan akan re-enter (dikonfirmasi dgn Kang Bagus yg mengatakan yiled SUN masih tdk berubah di kisaran 8%), tentu tidak di harga sekarang. Mereka juga akan menghitung bila valuasi sdh tinggi, ya ditunggu sampai valuasi murah kembali (kecuali uang2 ini pulang ke negara mereka -- watch usd/idr). Koreksi pasti akan terjadi, masalahnya kapan dan brp dalam? Soft crash kah atau hard crash? Ingat, bulan Juni nanti ada World Cup 2010, salah satu ajang judi besar dunia if not terbesar, likuiditas akan mengering. Buat short term trader, tidak masalah! Silahkan ambil posisi dgn CL level yg jelas. Buat buy hold, no no. Maaf kalo salah...Terapkan saja strategi masing2, tetap tenang dan jangan panik (kalo gak yakin makanya main dikit2 saja jadi kalo rugi pun sedikit...jangan ikut2an senior yg sdh jelas2 jago dan kita gak lincah alahsil nyangkut, pake margin pula! hahaha) 2010/2/19 YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Embah, Yang dinaikkan baru discount rate (interest yang harus dibayar oleh bank/institusi jika pinjam dari the Fed), bukan Fed rate. Ini salah satu program dan langkah awal the Fed untuk mengurangi quantitative easing dan basing untuk menaikkan Fed rate nanti. Impact ke bursa, yang paling kena efeknya tentu negara2 yg banyak duit carry trade, salah satunya BEJ, karena duit murah mulai berkurang di market dan sebagian harus balik kandang dulu. Tetapi, bank sendiri bisa mencari sumber pendanaan selain lending dari the Fed. Jadi untuk sementara, masih belum tentu signifikan efeknya ke bursa saham karena sudah diprediksi pasar. Tapi yang pasti, multiplier efek dengan naiknya USD, akan menjadi resisten untuk bursa bisa naik. Tinggal menunggu duit idle yang sideline selama ini, masih berapa kuat bisa menaikkan bursa saham... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical Kaget embah baca berita kenaekan suku bunga Fed ini . Mungkin yg ahli Macro bisa kasih analisa tentang impactnya kebursa... Secara Bandarmologi, embah baru bisa kasih analisa kalo sudah melihat reaksi BD atas kenaikan ini --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, iffan.l...@... wrote: Mbah, the Fed naekin discount rate 0.25% jd 0.75% setelah bel tutup Dow.. Euro lgs tiarap..ini efeknya bgm secara bandarmologi? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:21:02 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Angpao rumus $2000 RE: [ob] DJI technical 06:20 DJI close di 10392 +83... Level 10392 adalah Fibo 62% dari Total Correction index Dow selama ini dan membuktikan Rumus $2000 yg embah kasih gratis ama Pak Rei benar lagi. Khsusus buat pak Eka, embah tuliskan lagi Rumus 2000 dollar ini, siapa tahu pak Eka belum tahu - DJI managed to break the Middle brown line, so DJI has the CHANCE to go up to Fibo 62% (That is the Upper Line of Brown ABC PIG wave). Buat yg lain yg belum tahu, mohon diterima ini angpao $2000 dollar dari embah hehehe Hari ini mari kita puter lagu Oh Happy Day seharian buat merayakan TAL Tindakan Irasional BD BUMI kemarin. Note: Bandarmologi adalah ilmu Logika, kemarin Bandarmologi dikalahkan BD karena BD melakukan tindakan yg engga pake LOGIKA di BUMI yaitu dengan sengaja jualan dibawah COST untuk MENGECOH trader BEI. Jadi Rugi di BUMI dengan tujuan membuat orang Cut Loss di LQ45 kemarin. Jadi engga logis pada Context BUMI tapi Logis pada Context bursa keseluruhan... _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:26 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] DJI technicalRe: Japri Mbah : jual di harga setinggi mgkn dan exit ya Mbah?? http://www.obrolanb http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pibdji.png andar.com/pibdji.png - DJI running inside
Re: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITY....Re: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ???
Embah, Saat ini issue yang dimainkan, Jerman bilang belum pasti bail out Yunani. Kalau satu ditolong, yang lain pasti ngekor. Kan satu gang, Eurozone, katanya. Sedangkan Yunani sendiri serba salah, sama siapa lagi minta tolong. IMF? No pasti. US? Mana ada duit, defisit bengkak, untuk menolong diri sendiri saja sudah ngos2an. Asia or China? No idea .. Jika Yunani keluar dari Eurozone, otomatis akan terjadi banking crisis karena aset2 finansial mereka jadi junk.. Sungguh dilemma... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:22:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITYRe: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ??? Coba bandingkan SAAT INI ama Scenario 1 Dubai, tanda awalnya sama, memang belum pasti, masih samar2... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Metallic Bull metallic.b...@... wrote: Don't Buy BUMI, Mbah? Clear out position? Dagang Siomay? - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITYRe: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ??? 4. IHSG cq BDMN diangkat agar yg kejebak BUMI makin banyak saat ini. Gambarnya: http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi3.png + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITY....Re: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ???
Sebenarnya secara natural sedang terjadi develeraging assets dan otomatis stock market akan terdiscount dengan kekhawatiran akan perkembangan ekonomi ke depan. It is very normal. Positifnya, satu demi satu kekhawatiran yang sedang terjadi/terkuak, akan membuat fundamental worldwide recovery akan lebih kokoh. Negatifnya, khusus masalah debt di Euro ini, mungkin ini yang tidak kita tidak harapkan, terjadi perpecahan Euro...Masih jauh, tapi itu worst scenario, really.. Timteng? Buat bantu Dubai World saja masih setengah2... -Original Message- From: Febry Hariyannugraha febry.hariyannugr...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:40:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITYRe: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ??? WOW ... Saya nggak ngangka kalo emang jadi dilema begitu .. Kalo Timur Tengah pa bisa bantu Pak ? Cuma mau tau aja apa peran Timur Tengah dikala dunia sedang crisis gini .. Dubai juga kalo nggak salah di bantu Timur Tengah bukan ? Thanks .. 2010/2/10 YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Embah, Saat ini issue yang dimainkan, Jerman bilang belum pasti bail out Yunani. Kalau satu ditolong, yang lain pasti ngekor. Kan satu gang, Eurozone, katanya. Sedangkan Yunani sendiri serba salah, sama siapa lagi minta tolong. IMF? No pasti. US? Mana ada duit, defisit bengkak, untuk menolong diri sendiri saja sudah ngos2an. Asia or China? No idea .. Jika Yunani keluar dari Eurozone, otomatis akan terjadi banking crisis karena aset2 finansial mereka jadi junk.. Sungguh dilemma... YUTA -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.idjsx-consultant%40centrin.net.id Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:22:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITYRe: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ??? Coba bandingkan SAAT INI ama Scenario 1 Dubai, tanda awalnya sama, memang belum pasti, masih samar2... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Metallic Bull metallic.b...@... wrote: Don't Buy BUMI, Mbah? Clear out position? Dagang Siomay? - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: [ob] IHSG and BUMI is a UNITYRe: Emanknya saham di JSX cuma BUMI aja ??? 4. IHSG cq BDMN diangkat agar yg kejebak BUMI makin banyak saat ini. Gambarnya: http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi3.png + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] BBRI
Ikut komentar.. Dari sisi sentiment, EUR region especially PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Irlandia, Greece dan Spain) sedang terkena sentimen negatif. Ada possible default sovereign bond mereka. Masalah ini lebih complex dibandingkan Dubai case. Watch the Euro, watch Spain Greece, watch the large European banks, watch their CDS rating.and you can get the temperature and of course the clue...mudah2an doesn't get worst... YUTA -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:14:54 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] BBRI Blom bisa di judge, tunggu nanti sore lah, the thing is, all stock is down.., jadi ini pure karena sentiment, bukan fundamental ! yang kita takuti, kalau ada saham yg turun sendirian, pake gap, sementara yg lain pada naik atau diem, ada perbedaan yg mendasar antara turun hanya karena sentiment dgn turun karena fundamental... JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of conx_2003 Sent: 05 Februari 2010 10:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] BBRI pak JT saham2 Blue chip seperti TLKM dan ANTM apakah Exhausting Gap / breakaway gaps? klo pendapat saya breakaway gap, makanya klo sore ga mental kita kabur sambil pegangin biji saya minta pendapat pak JT donk --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JT jsxtra...@... wrote: Gap apaan, ngga ada pak…, lagian 7200 dah kesentuh tadi pagi kan… JT bbri.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron sur Sent: 05 Februari 2010 10:20 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] BBRI kemungkinan ke 7200, sementara ini msh besar gak prof? krn ada gap disana, ktannya dah oversold sich BBRI ini, mau antri di 7200 buat average down jd ragu2 nichthx infonya prof --- Pada Kam, 4/2/10, JT jsxtra...@... menulis: Dari: JT jsxtra...@... Judul: RE: [ob] BBRI Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Kamis, 4 Februari, 2010, 7:11 PM Chart Update…., mulai mental di support ….., smoga kuat sampe sore….. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of JT Sent: 05 Februari 2010 9:48 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com; jsxtra...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [ob] BBRI BBRI gap down…., tes support with low volume…, spec buy !! Tidak ada virus ditemukan dalam pesan masuk. Diperiksa oleh AVG - www.avg.com Versi: 9.0.733 / Basis Data Virus: 271.1.1/2668 - Tanggal Rilis: 02/05/10 02:35:00 _ Lebih http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http:/id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ bergaul dan terhubung dengan lebih baik. Tambah lebih banyak teman ke Yahoo! Messenger sekarang! Tidak ada virus ditemukan dalam pesan masuk. Diperiksa oleh AVG - www.avg.com Versi: 9.0.733 / Basis Data Virus: 271.1.1/2668 - Tanggal Rilis: 02/05/10 02:35:00 + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links Tidak ada virus ditemukan dalam pesan masuk. Diperiksa oleh AVG - www.avg.com Versi: 9.0.733 / Basis Data Virus: 271.1.1/2668 - Tanggal Rilis: 02/05/10 02:35:00 + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx
Bli, Mau tanya. Group bbm yang sudah ada di BB lama kok tidak keluar notifikasi dan alert tone, setelah ganti dari bold ke onyx. Tapi group bbm yang baru (setelah onyx) tidak ada masalah. Apa sewaktu transfer data belum sempurna ya? Thanks. -Original Message- From: **bLi iNdRa** bli_in...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:50:33 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx Bagi yg mau ganti bold ke onyx, dsini link dibawah ini ada step by stepnya... http://www.berryindo.com/cara-ganti-blackberry-handheld/ Sorry ga sempet jelasin detail, lg foto session:) hehehe Met weekend all^^,) Best Regards **bLi iNdRa** ==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy== powered by obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com® -Original Message- From: Herry Panatta p_...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:44:14 To: **bLi iNdRa**bli_in...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx Ga perlu release pin ke providernya ya bli? [herry] -Original Message- From: **bLi iNdRa** bli_in...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:37:58 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx Betul itu, masuk via desktop manager, cari change/switch device... Ikutin aja langkah2nya... Sebelumnya selalu back up data dl, in case terjadi hal2 yg tak diinginkan:D Hehehe Met ber pad²™ ria yah:) Best Regards **bLi iNdRa** ==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy== powered by obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com® -Original Message- From: vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:30:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx Lakukan sendiri saja dari komputer DM pilih yg change device.. Lalu login di website blackberry anda.. Otomatis akan ke detect.. Kalau belum masukin aja pin dan imei baru anda... - Sent from my BlackBerry® Bold™ powered by INDOSAT -Original Message- From: sada0...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:22:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Bli Indra Pakar BB: Bold Ganti Onyx Bli Pakar BB di OB, mau nanya dong. Sy mau ganti Bold jadi Onyx nih. Ntar lagi mau didelivery ke rumah. Kl mau pindahin SIM card ke Onyx, apa aja yg hrs dilakukan ya? Bisa dilakukan sendiri apa hrs dibawa ke TSel aja? Apa aja yg hrs diperhatikan? Tks sebelumnya ya.. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Nunggu TAL untuk Bullish
U -Original Message- From: Febry Hariyannugraha febry.hariyannugr...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:06:49 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Nunggu TAL untuk Bullish Hahahaha ... At least ada tambahan TAL bos .. Biar lebih jelas market mau kemana .. hehehe
Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi
Prof, coba diagnostic test. Options - Mobile Network dan pencet BB menu dan run diagnostic test. Jika ada masalah dengan network baik BIS maupun wifi, biasanya ada error report. Semoga membantu. -Original Message- From: JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:01:33 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Barusan resepnya dicoba..., sempet bisa untuk bbrp second, abis gitu mati lagi... Hmm, rasanya setting di handset nih... www.jsxtrader.com “ Trade By Rules, Not HOPE “ -Original Message- From: David Lau dj_davi...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:51:45 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Prof... Coba router wifi nya dimatiin (cabut kabel power) dulu sekitar 10mnt. Trus br coba connect lg. Kmrn bold sy jg ngalamin spt ini, pc mac sy bs connect tp bold sy ga dpt ip dr wifi. Awalnya sy cm restar bold nya aja tp ga ngefek. Akhirnya stlh matiin router boldnya bs connect lg. Mudah2an membantu, klo msh ga membantu, mohon maap aja. Regards DvD™ In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum Powered by Merpati Post® -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:43:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Teman, maap OOT.., Gemini anak saya (OS .315) Wifinya ngga mau connect., jelas problem bukan di hotspotnya, karena sdh dicoba dgn BB yg lain ngga masalah. Karena curiga masalah di OS, BB tsb saya upgrade ke .318., hasilnya sama saja, wifi tetap tidak mau connect (symbol wifinya redup).., saya sdh cek setting yg relevan dgn wifi, tampaknya ngga ada masalah. Kira-kira ada yg pernah ngalami hal yg sama ? any info to solve the problem ? oh ya, kalo mau factory reset supaya semua setting kembali ke default, tampa harus menghapus data, gimana caranya ya? Advise please. Thank you. JT
Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi
Kalau WEP atau wifi nya secured pakai password, coba ketik ulang passwordnya Prof. Bisa saja dianggap connect karena data cache yg lama masih ada tetapi tidak bisa down/up load data. Maaf kalau tidak membantu juga. -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:16:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Sdh pak.., hasil diagnostic tes ngga ada masalah... Barusan akhirnya saya Option-Security Option-General Setting-Wipe Handheld... now everything back to factory default.., tapi ngga bisa juga., symbol wi-fi tetep redup.., tapi anehnya kalo diliat dari wifi setting, statusnya connected, tapi tanda centang ngga ada.., saya cek matiin networknya dan coba wifi only, confirm ngga bisa., ampun dah... ok langkah terakhir mau format ulang pake BBSak., trus sekalian load OS 5 dah., kalo ngga bisa juga besok terpaksa kirim ke ISAT.. JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: 17 Januari 2010 19:26 To: Obrolan Bandar Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Prof, coba diagnostic test. Options - Mobile Network dan pencet BB menu dan run diagnostic test. Jika ada masalah dengan network baik BIS maupun wifi, biasanya ada error report. Semoga membantu. _ From: JTT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:01:33 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Barusan resepnya dicoba..., sempet bisa untuk bbrp second, abis gitu mati lagi... Hmm, rasanya setting di handset nih... www.jsxtrader.com Trade By Rules, Not HOPE _ From: David Lau dj_davi...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:51:45 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Prof... Coba router wifi nya dimatiin (cabut kabel power) dulu sekitar 10mnt. Trus br coba connect lg. Kmrn bold sy jg ngalamin spt ini, pc mac sy bs connect tp bold sy ga dpt ip dr wifi. Awalnya sy cm restar bold nya aja tp ga ngefek. Akhirnya stlh matiin router boldnya bs connect lg. Mudah2an membantu, klo msh ga membantu, mohon maap aja. Regards DvDT In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum Powered by Merpati PostR _ From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:43:42 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT - Help BB Gemini, Wifi Teman, maap OOT.., Gemini anak saya (OS .315) Wifinya ngga mau connect., jelas problem bukan di hotspotnya, karena sdh dicoba dgn BB yg lain ngga masalah. Karena curiga masalah di OS, BB tsb saya upgrade ke .318., hasilnya sama saja, wifi tetap tidak mau connect (symbol wifinya redup).., saya sdh cek setting yg relevan dgn wifi, tampaknya ngga ada masalah. Kira-kira ada yg pernah ngalami hal yg sama ? any info to solve the problem ? oh ya, kalo mau factory reset supaya semua setting kembali ke default, tampa harus menghapus data, gimana caranya ya? Advise please. Thank you. JT Tidak ada virus ditemukan dalam pesan masuk. Diperiksa oleh AVG - www.avg.com Versi: 9.0.725 / Basis Data Virus: 270.14.145/2626 - Tanggal Rilis: 01/17/10 14:35:00
Re: [ob] Info: JUAL dan BELI Reksadana Online
Hsbc bisa. Beli minimum 5jt setiap transaksi, jual unlimited kalau tidak salah. Tapi tidak tahu berapa minimum penempatan dana awal. -Original Message- From: pinmilis pinmi...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:06:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Info: JUAL dan BELI Reksadana Online Teman2 OB, Minta bantuan Info dong. Dimana bisa Jual dan Beli Resadana secara Online? (kalo bisa yg Bank saja) Di Commbank cuman bisa BELI tapi *gak bisa JUAL* online. Jadi pingin pindah ke reksadana yg bisa JUAL Online juga. Thanks,
[ob] Royal Bank of Scotland to be 84% nationalised
Will 'they dumping the bank stock? Is the toxic asset spreading like cancer? This article is happened to be really surprising . Royal Bank of Scotland to be 84% nationalised The Sunday Times, November 1, 2009 Alistair Darling is preparing to plough billions more of taxpayers’ money into Royal Bank of Scotland to take the government stake in the bank from 70% to as high as 84%. A Treasury announcement this week will confirm RBS is signing up to a controversial deal to pump £270 billion of problematic loans into a state-backed insurance scheme. As part of the deal, the government will pour up to £19 billion of additional capital into RBS by taking up an issue of “B” shares. The subsequent increase in the taxpayers’ stake will leave the bank virtually nationalised, with a small portion of shares left in the hands of private investors. The further capital injection comes despite attempts by the bank to renegotiate the insurance deal, which takes place under the Government Asset Protection Scheme (Gaps). The terms have ended up being even more onerous for the bank, with RBS now expected to shoulder an additional £20 billion of losses on its own balance sheet before it claims on the government insurance. The scale of the state aid at RBS has also prompted a savage response from Brussels, which is imposing penalties on all European banks bailed out during the financial crisis. Neelie Kroes, the European competition commissioner, has ordered RBS to sell its Churchill and Direct Line insurance operations, a network of more than 300 branches, and large parts of its investment bank. An outline agreement was reached between Kroes and Stephen Hester, the RBS chief executive, on Friday. The outcome is harsher than the bank expected. It was already committed to reducing its balance sheet by 40% and selling off a slew of international businesses. RBS attempted to sell its insurance arm under former boss Sir Fred Goodwin but the sale plans were dropped shortly after Hester arrived. Hester thought insurance would form a central part of the bank’s recovery plan. Kroes has enforced the break-up of RBS after taking a stand against the Gaps programme. She is said to object to the concept of states taking potentially huge liabilities for years into the future. Lloyds Banking Group, which is 43% owned by the taxpayer, was also destined to join the Gaps programme. However Eric Daniels, its chief executive, has managed to escape the scheme after lining up a £21 billion fundraising, which will be unveiled on Tuesday. This will involve a £14billion rights issue and a £7billion debt swap. In addition £5billion will be raised from disposals, including Cheltenham Gloucester, Intelligent Finance internet bank and some Scottish branches. Meanwhile, UK Financial Investments (UKFI), the taxpayers’ investment arm, has started to search for about 12 new executives to beef up the Lloyds management team. Lord Myners, the City minister, has forced those banks advising RBS and Lloyds to cut their fees. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article6898097.ece + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] UPDATE: Goldman Sachs Cuts US GDP Estimate
UPDATE: Goldman Sachs Cuts US GDP Estimate By Brendan Conway Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Ahead of Thursday's U.S. gross domestic product numbers, Goldman Sachs cut its third-quarter GDP estimate to 2.7%, following lower-than-expected durable-goods shipments Wednesday morning. The estimate, calculated on an annual basis, is down from the 3% Goldman previously expected. The latest adjustment comes about three months after Goldman seemed more optimistic in boosting its second-half growth estimate, which is also annualized, to 3% from 1%. Despite the reduced estimate for GDP growth, Goldman noted that orders for long-lasting goods were less dependent on volatile components than some, including Goldman, had expected. The firm called the durable-good numbers actually quite encouraging, because the gains were not heavily concentrated in the volatile defense and transportation categories. However, shipments were somewhat weaker, especially for nondefense capital goods, Goldman said in the Wednesday report. Back in August, Goldman cited a stronger-than-expected second-quarter GDP report as it hiked its figure, and also said that federal stimulus efforts were a bigger assist than expected. News of the GDP estimate reduction from Goldman was reported earlier on CNBC. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 47.84 recently to 9,834.33. -By Brendan Conway, Dow Jones Newswires; (212) 416-2670; brendan.con...@dowjones.com http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091028-713966.html
Re: [ob] From Sima FB 19:25
Mungkin maksudnya cover short DJ dan SP sehingga inflow ke US yg mengakibatkan apresiasi USD. -Original Message- From: boyz® m457...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:43:05 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] From Sima FB 19:25 Bagi dong garpit-nya, bro... :) Ada kontradiksi dari posting-nya ratu Sima, Kalo USD akan mengalami penguatan yg cukup kuat, logika-nya indeks lokal akan berlanjut *puting beliung*-nya (ini ilmu BHmology ya? hehehe...) Karena HF yg modal asalnya dari USD akan convert ke USD dulu (outflow dari IDX). anyway, kata-nya tingkat akurasi ratu Sima ini diatas 90% kalo dibaca * terbalik*. So.. masih ada ruang kurang dari 10% untuk dibaca *tidak terbalik* :D Hehehe... Salam, 2009/10/29 Joe Martin milis.s4...@gmail.com Menanti jawaban yg lebih master dari master Billy... *makan kacang ama isep garpit doeloe ah -Original Message- From: billybudima...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:25:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] From Sima FB 19:25 Ratu Sima Hallo semua! Selalu ada peluang. USD akan mengalami penguatan yang cukup kuat seiring gerakan cover shorting diiringi volume buyers yang signifikan (perhatikan chart USD). Have U collected? I repeat, have U collected? Good luck! Happy CUAN. Untuk index lokal, perhatikan technical indicators candle penutupan besok. Kalo technical rebound sustains strongly still, ada kemungkinan puting beliung sementara lewat. Artinya ??? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] IHSG is at support line
Ikutan kasih pendapat sedikit. Pengumuman GDP di Q3 nanti jadi salah satu measurement apakah angka inflasi sudah contained sebagai growth di US. Jika benar, maka spekulasi Fed untuk menaikkan rate di tahun ini bisa menjadi kenyataan. Dalam history past krisis yang diikuti oleh stimulus dan quantitative easing, maka jika ekonomi mulai tumbuh, inflasi akan naik cepat. Saya lupa tahunnya, mungkin 1979, inflasi di US pernah mencapai double digit dan Fed naikkan interest sampai 15%. Sekarang pertanyaannya, apakah Fed akan menaikkan cuma .25 secara sporadic/spot saja atau continuous. Mungkin market melihat bahwa kenaikan rate bisa dalam periode yang lama antara 1.5 - 2 tahun. Dan tentunya ini akan membawa dampak yang panjang dan market akan cukup nervous dalam mengantisipasinya. 2009/10/27 boyz® m457...@gmail.com ic Tq pak ekonombeling... mmm... Ane udah mulai paham nih logika balik arahnya. Tapi logika *besaran*-nya kok sedikit bisa nyedot banyak. Seberapa besar impact-nya kalo The Fed cuma naikin .25 basis point? Masa cuman segitu bisa nyedot banyak? hehehe... sorry, maklum pertanyaan newbie. mohon pencerahan. Salam, 2009/10/27 ekonombel...@yahoo.com Bener pak, fed naik maka likuiditas akan balik arah. Tentu psr modal akan koreksi karena dana2 yg slm ini ngendon si stock akan reposisi, n sebagian masuk ke time deposit ataupun obligasi tenor panjang. Tp yg prlu diingat, fed naik berarti demand sudah ada/normal. Dgn demikian ekonomi sudah kembali brjalan normal. Bisnis mulai jalan, prmintaan raw material spt komoditas akan naik kembali. untuk yg mau invest sebaiknya memang mnunggu momentum koreksi dulu. Silahkan jika ada yg mau mnambhkan Ekonom kok Mbeling sends this from his BlackBerry® -- *From: *boyz® m457...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:39:29 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IHSG is at support line Lihat di CNBC yg gencar sih beritanya ttg Rebound USD Index, mungkin ini yg bikin ASING Panic Selling on Commo stocks. Tapi kalo lihat chart USD Index... Baru terlihat rebound 2 Bar. Masih premature untuk melihat reversal. Fed mau naikin suku bunga?? ... Kalo ya, pasti ada impact lah ke USD index. Seberapa besar impact-nya?? pls yg jago makro diminta kesediaannya nge-jelasin... yayank Elaine waktu itu sih bisik2 mesra ke ane, katanya: *Fed naikin suku bunga sedikit aja, bisa nyedot most liquidity on earth back to US.* Mohon konfirmasi ke yg paham ekonomi makro... apa bener gitu? Salam, On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: 11:15 IHSG 2421 -46 IHSG is at support line http://www.obrolaNbandar.com/piwihsg.pnghttp://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] IHSG is at support line
Perhatikan USD Index. Jika sudah mulai unwind/bottoming dan mulai reversal, maka akan tercium bahwa dana murah dari carry trade akan balik ke origin. Negara2 lain termasuk China, sebenarnya ingin lihat Fed naikkan bunga dulu sebelum mereka menaikkan rate, karena mereka yakin bahwa krisis yang bermula di US harus diakhiri dari US. Ternyata Australia dan Korea Selatan (?) sudah menaikkan rate duluan jadi akan jadi salah satu barometer untuk Fed untuk mengurangi speed stimulus (sudah dimulai dengan stop beberapa incentive, seperti cash for clunkers, housing tax dll) dan mau tidak mau harus naikkan rate untuk menyedot likuiditas di market. Kalau tidak, mereka akan menghadapi hyperinflation di tahun2 mendatang. 2009/10/27 boyz® m457...@gmail.com Tq atas pencerahannya, Berarti sekarang kita nunggu pengumuman GDP Q3 tsb yah? Terus menurut pak YUTA, indikator apa lagi yg bisa dipakai sebagai clue. my honey Elaine kelihatannya keukeuh berkeyakinan Fed ngga akan menaikkan suku bunga dalam jangka waktu dekat. Salam, 2009/10/27 YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Ikutan kasih pendapat sedikit. Pengumuman GDP di Q3 nanti jadi salah satu measurement apakah angka inflasi sudah contained sebagai growth di US. Jika benar, maka spekulasi Fed untuk menaikkan rate di tahun ini bisa menjadi kenyataan. Dalam history past krisis yang diikuti oleh stimulus dan quantitative easing, maka jika ekonomi mulai tumbuh, inflasi akan naik cepat. Saya lupa tahunnya, mungkin 1979, inflasi di US pernah mencapai double digit dan Fed naikkan interest sampai 15%. Sekarang pertanyaannya, apakah Fed akan menaikkan cuma .25 secara sporadic/spot saja atau continuous. Mungkin market melihat bahwa kenaikan rate bisa dalam periode yang lama antara 1.5 - 2 tahun. Dan tentunya ini akan membawa dampak yang panjang dan market akan cukup nervous dalam mengantisipasinya. 2009/10/27 boyz® m457...@gmail.com ic Tq pak ekonombeling... mmm... Ane udah mulai paham nih logika balik arahnya. Tapi logika *besaran*-nya kok sedikit bisa nyedot banyak. Seberapa besar impact-nya kalo The Fed cuma naikin .25 basis point? Masa cuman segitu bisa nyedot banyak? hehehe... sorry, maklum pertanyaan newbie. mohon pencerahan. Salam, 2009/10/27 ekonombel...@yahoo.com Bener pak, fed naik maka likuiditas akan balik arah. Tentu psr modal akan koreksi karena dana2 yg slm ini ngendon si stock akan reposisi, n sebagian masuk ke time deposit ataupun obligasi tenor panjang. Tp yg prlu diingat, fed naik berarti demand sudah ada/normal. Dgn demikian ekonomi sudah kembali brjalan normal. Bisnis mulai jalan, prmintaan raw material spt komoditas akan naik kembali. untuk yg mau invest sebaiknya memang mnunggu momentum koreksi dulu. Silahkan jika ada yg mau mnambhkan Ekonom kok Mbeling sends this from his BlackBerry® -- *From: *boyz® m457...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:39:29 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IHSG is at support line Lihat di CNBC yg gencar sih beritanya ttg Rebound USD Index, mungkin ini yg bikin ASING Panic Selling on Commo stocks. Tapi kalo lihat chart USD Index... Baru terlihat rebound 2 Bar. Masih premature untuk melihat reversal. Fed mau naikin suku bunga?? ... Kalo ya, pasti ada impact lah ke USD index. Seberapa besar impact-nya?? pls yg jago makro diminta kesediaannya nge-jelasin... yayank Elaine waktu itu sih bisik2 mesra ke ane, katanya: *Fed naikin suku bunga sedikit aja, bisa nyedot most liquidity on earth back to US.* Mohon konfirmasi ke yg paham ekonomi makro... apa bener gitu? Salam, On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: 11:15 IHSG 2421 -46 IHSG is at support line http://www.obrolaNbandar.com/piwihsg.pnghttp://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Om Dow
Ada issue apa kok Dow koreksi banyak? -Original Message- From: Syat dahsyat...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:04:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Om Dow 21:00 wib DOW. 10061.96 +89.78 +0.90% NASDAQ 2181.27 +26.80 +1.24% SP 500 1091.07 +11.47 +1.06% *OIL 81.42 +0.92 +1.14% BB clicks http://M.inilah.com/rubrik/ekonomi/pasar-modal/ + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] US declares swine flu 'emergency'
Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:36 UK US declares swine flu 'emergency' US President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a national emergency. The White House said the president signed the proclamation concerning the 2009 H1N1 outbreak on Friday evening. It increases the ability of treatment facilities to handle a surge in H1N1 patients by easing the implementation of emergency plans. Last week US officials said swine flu activity was widespread in 46 states. More than 1,000 US deaths have been linked to the virus. Health officials say the infections are already comparable to peak season flu levels. Vaccine warning US officials said the president's declaration was similar to ones issued before hurricanes make landfall. It allows authorities to bypass certain federal requirements in order to deal more effectively with emergencies. The aim of the directive is to remove bureaucratic hurdles, allowing sick patients to receive treatment more quickly and giving health-care providers more flexibility in providing it. Paperwork on patients can be reduced and additional health centres set up outside hospitals to care for the sick. In his proclamation statement, Mr Obama says the 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve. The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities. He said the US had already taken proactive steps by implementing public health measures and developing an effective swine flu vaccine. However, the government has admitted there are delays in the delivery of vaccines. It had hoped to roll out 120 million doses by mid-October. It now hopes for about 50 million by mid-November and 150 million in December. Dr Thomas Frieden, of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said on Friday: We are nowhere near where we thought we'd be by now. Given the shortfall, New York State on Friday stayed a directive ordering health care staff to be inoculated or risk losing their jobs. The CDC says widespread influenza activity in 46 states is unprecedented during seasonal flu. It said the hospitalisation rates for laboratory-confirmed swine flu were still climbing. Although figures are hard to verify, it is thought H1N1 has hospitalised about 20,000 people in the US. Visits to the doctor for influenza-like illnesses were also much higher than expected for the time of year, the CDC said. The seasonal flu peak is usually between late November and early March. Children and young adults have been among the hardest hit by H1N1. Almost 100 of the deaths have been children. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8324070.stm
Re: [ob] US declares swine flu 'emergency'
Pak Rei. Di Kantou (Tokyo) dan Kansai (Osaka, Nagoya, Kyoto) sudah tidak menjadi momok menakutkan karena virus ini boleh dibilang lebih lemah dibandingkan flu burung. Dan sepertinya ras Asia lebih immune terhadap swine flu. Mungkin Obama perlu support dari publik untuk menjebolkan agenda healthcare dia (ini maiden agenda dia sejak jadi presiden, sedangkan TARP, tax incentive dll itu hanya melanjutkan program precidency sebelumnya). Makanya issue pandemic swine flu mungkin sebagai senjata juga, entahlah... -Original Message- From: highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:34:44 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] US declares swine flu 'emergency' New resurgence or media play? Tp di jepang mmg membesar lg ya kasusnya pak Yuta? Kowai... Sent from my computer of course! -Original Message- From: YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:40 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] US declares swine flu 'emergency' Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:36 UK US declares swine flu 'emergency' US President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a national emergency. The White House said the president signed the proclamation concerning the 2009 H1N1 outbreak on Friday evening. It increases the ability of treatment facilities to handle a surge in H1N1 patients by easing the implementation of emergency plans. Last week US officials said swine flu activity was widespread in 46 states. More than 1,000 US deaths have been linked to the virus. Health officials say the infections are already comparable to peak season flu levels. Vaccine warning US officials said the president's declaration was similar to ones issued before hurricanes make landfall. It allows authorities to bypass certain federal requirements in order to deal more effectively with emergencies. The aim of the directive is to remove bureaucratic hurdles, allowing sick patients to receive treatment more quickly and giving health-care providers more flexibility in providing it. Paperwork on patients can be reduced and additional health centres set up outside hospitals to care for the sick. In his proclamation statement, Mr Obama says the 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve. The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities. He said the US had already taken proactive steps by implementing public health measures and developing an effective swine flu vaccine. However, the government has admitted there are delays in the delivery of vaccines. It had hoped to roll out 120 million doses by mid-October. It now hopes for about 50 million by mid-November and 150 million in December. Dr Thomas Frieden, of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said on Friday: We are nowhere near where we thought we'd be by now. Given the shortfall, New York State on Friday stayed a directive ordering health care staff to be inoculated or risk losing their jobs. The CDC says widespread influenza activity in 46 states is unprecedented during seasonal flu. It said the hospitalisation rates for laboratory-confirmed swine flu were still climbing. Although figures are hard to verify, it is thought H1N1 has hospitalised about 20,000 people in the US. Visits to the doctor for influenza-like illnesses were also much higher than expected for the time of year, the CDC said. The seasonal flu peak is usually between late November and early March. Children and young adults have been among the hardest hit by H1N1. Almost 100 of the deaths have been children. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8324070.stm
Re: [ob] ADRO PTBA....technical analysis
Pak Boyz. Bisa tolong diulas USD index secara technical? Kelihatan sudah bottoming dan divergence ya? 2 hari terakhir USD menguat cukup tajam terhadap Yen. Apa ini sudah ada indikasi reverse carry trade lagi ya? Thanks. -Original Message- From: boyz® m457...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:20:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ADRO PTBAtechnical analysis Bisa aja sih kalo BOZZ mau, masalah timing aja. Tapi kayaknya next week kurang mestakung, OIL price mulai tersendat. DJUSCL bad signal. Salam, On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, yunirsyam yunirs...@yahoo.com wrote: sumber: http://apstock.blogspot.com/2009/10/ap-stock-analysis_24.html ADRO PTBA masih berada diatas ALERT PRICE, masih bisakah membentuk new high price? Thanks APStock
[ob] Is the party over?
Re: [ob] Robert Prechter?
Yes. Only little. He is one of Elliot Wave principle who projecting stock market crash based on technical perspective because Dow is approaching end of wave 5. And lately he said that USD is bottoming and ready to blow. Not sure if his argument is right. Mind to share your opinion about his thinking? -Original Message- From: It's Elaine! elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:50:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Robert Prechter? *Anyone ever heard a name of Robert Prechter?*
Re: [ob] Gold ...
Saya pernah lihat graphic tapi lupa situsnya. Intinya, pada beberapa periode post-krisis, pergerakan harga emas berbanding terbalik dengan paper assest (stock, bond). Apakah dengan naiknya harga emas akan mengulang pola yang sama? -Original Message- From: er1ck er1...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:47:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Gold ... yup, betul, tinggal skrg jago2x-an ngitung target rupiah aja, akan di bawa ke brapa? klo misal ke 9 rb pas, dan gold 1300, jd kisaran 376/gram tuh , kecuali emang bisa ke 7 rb sih, ato 5 rb he3x 2009/10/6 mr_...@yahoo.com Tergantung rupiah ikutan menguat gak pak ... Kalo gold 1300 tapi rupiah juga menguat jadi 7000 ya sami mawon ... Maksudnya harga gold dalam rupiah sama saja. Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone -- *From: * er1ck er1...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:29:01 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] Gold ... highest gold ada di 17 maret 2008 1032.2, brarti skrg udh break new high di 1039, target 1300 deh , ho ho hozaman emas nih...ck3x 2009/10/6 boyz® m457...@yahoo.com.sg Highest-nya gold 1033.9 ya? kalo ga salah. Salam On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com wrote: ini mana yang bener: - arab, china, rusia, perancis ketauan main belakang mau gantiin dollar buat perdagangan minyak. yg bakal dipake adalah a basket of currency + gold - inflasi tinggi segera tiba akibatnya dollar jatuh, komo dan emas naik. btw, gold reached new high yah?
Re: [ob] Gold ...
Setuju Pak. Ini hal yang sangat jarang terjadi dimana semua aset tangible dan intangible naik dalam waktu yang bersamaan. Stock, oil, gold, komoditas dan bond semua naik. Hanya dollar yang turun. Penghancuran dollar value untuk mitigate trade imbalance? Maybe, salah satunya... Yang penting, when the music start then everbody should stand up and let's dance together. But when it stop, don't be the one who is still standing in the dance floor and fooled by others whom taken over your chair. -Original Message- From: ekonombel...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:48:10 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Gold ... Pasar modal naik tp gold juga ikut naik. Menunjukkan bahwa prtumbuhan dibarengi dgn risiko yg tinggi, itu makanya gold juga naik, krn dipergunakan sbg hedge atas risiko tadi. Risiko yg dimaksud adalah risiko akan pembalikan modal n unemployed economic growth spt ug dibilang roubini. Kita bener2 brada di era liquidity boom, bkn cuma karena suku bunga rendah tp jg karena uang beredar ga kunjung lari ke sektor riil. Tapi ga perlu tkut, riding the wave aja selama rally masih lanjut. hehheehehe Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:19:35 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Gold ... Saya pernah lihat graphic tapi lupa situsnya. Intinya, pada beberapa periode post-krisis, pergerakan harga emas berbanding terbalik dengan paper assest (stock, bond). Apakah dengan naiknya harga emas akan mengulang pola yang sama? -Original Message- From: er1ck er1...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:47:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Gold ... yup, betul, tinggal skrg jago2x-an ngitung target rupiah aja, akan di bawa ke brapa? klo misal ke 9 rb pas, dan gold 1300, jd kisaran 376/gram tuh , kecuali emang bisa ke 7 rb sih, ato 5 rb he3x 2009/10/6 mr_...@yahoo.com Tergantung rupiah ikutan menguat gak pak ... Kalo gold 1300 tapi rupiah juga menguat jadi 7000 ya sami mawon ... Maksudnya harga gold dalam rupiah sama saja. Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone -- *From: * er1ck er1...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:29:01 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] Gold ... highest gold ada di 17 maret 2008 1032.2, brarti skrg udh break new high di 1039, target 1300 deh , ho ho hozaman emas nih...ck3x 2009/10/6 boyz® m457...@yahoo.com.sg Highest-nya gold 1033.9 ya? kalo ga salah. Salam On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com wrote: ini mana yang bener: - arab, china, rusia, perancis ketauan main belakang mau gantiin dollar buat perdagangan minyak. yg bakal dipake adalah a basket of currency + gold - inflasi tinggi segera tiba akibatnya dollar jatuh, komo dan emas naik. btw, gold reached new high yah?
Re: [ob] Gempa di Padang
Semoga diberikan perlindungan Pak. Saya juga baru balik dari Padang tetapi adek dan mertua masih disana. Gempa ini sungguh dahsyat. Listrik mati, jembatan dan gedung banyak yang roboh. Jalanan retak malah dan putus karena longsor. Korban bisa ratusan jiwa. Semoga tidak bertambah buruk. Jika listrik masih mati, bisa charge BB pakai mobil tapi harus beli charger dulu. Kalau Bold, charger Motorola masih bisa dipakai. Rgds -Original Message- From: tasru...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:46:10 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Gempa di Padang Kebetulan tadi saya lagi di toko mertua waktu gempa,gocangan cukup kuat tapi syukurlah toko gak rubuh,saya buru buru pulang utk lihat rumah karena tlp putus,syukurlah rumah ortu dan mertua baik baik aja cuma ada pecahan kaca aja dari lemari. Saat ini saya lagi diluar agak jauh dari rumah dalam mobil sampai keadaan aman.Beberapa bangunan hancur termasuk salah satunya yg saya kirim ini, masalahnya sekarang listrik mati,Padang gelap gulita, battery BB tinggal satu baris mudah mudah flexi saya bisa bertahan (68555992) Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] Iran Fires Short-Range Missiles in ‘Deterrent’ Tests
Baru pertama kali Bloomberg release berita ini. Apa nuke war sudah dekat? Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Iran fired short-range missiles as part of a military maneuver and said it will give a “crushing” answer to any armed aggression. Iran “successfully tested a multimissile launching system,” state-run Press TV reported. “A number of missiles including the homemade Fateh and Tondar” models were launched both simultaneously and consecutively, the report said. The exercises may increase tension over the Persian Gulf country’s nuclear program and come after Revolutionary Guards Corps. said yesterday it would conduct the war games to maintain the “deterrent capacity” of the armed forces. The military plans to test medium-range missiles, such as the Shahab 2 missile, later today as well as improved long-range Shahab ones tomorrow, General Hossein Salami, head of the air force, told satellite news channel Press TV. “The message is that of security,” Salami said. “We will respond to any military action in a crushing manner.” Today’s exercise, called Prophet IV, will assess “recent technical developments and tactical progress” in surface-to- surface missiles, Salami said, according to a report on the Guards official website. The maneuver is also aimed at “practicing management of long-term preventive and defensive operations,” he said. ‘Greedy Nations’ “The range of our missiles is in no way a threat for the neighboring countries,” Salami said. “It is a message for certain greedy nations that seek to create fear, to show that we are able to give a swift and suitable answer to our enemies.” Iran two days ago confirmed the development of a second uranium enrichment facility in the country, a move condemned by the U.S., U.K. and France. At a Sept. 25 news conference concluding the G-20 summit, U.S. President Barack Obama said that diplomacy was his preferred option though he didn’t rule out military action. Top Israeli officials said last week they aren’t taking any options off the table to stop Iran’s nuclear progression. Iranian officials are set to meet Oct. 1 in Geneva with representatives of the five permanent UN Security Council members and Germany. The group seeks to determine whether Iran is willing to limit its nuclear activities, which several western nations claim is aimed at developing weapons. Obama said yesterday he remains open to “a serious, meaningful dialogue” with Iran. The country first must “cooperate fully” with international arms inspectors and “take actions to demonstrate its peaceful intentions,” the president said in his weekly radio and Internet address. To contact the reporter on this story: Ladane Nasseri in Beirut at lnass...@bloomberg.net . + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] Mohon Maaf Lahir Bathin
Kita memang tidak pernah bertemu, bertatap muka dan berkenalan satu sama lain, tetapi saya merasakan kita sudah seperti keluarga besar. OB big family Sepantasnya saya mengucapkan mohon maaf jika ada posting, tulisan yang menyinggung perasaan, maupun tidak pada tempatnya. Selamat hari raya Idhul Fitri bagi yang merayakan. Semoga kita semua dilindungiNya dan mencapai semua tujuan (finansial) yang kita dambakan dan cita2kan. Amien. Rgds, YUTA
Re: [ob] Nurdin M Top tewas di solo?
Hampir dipastikan 100% itu NMT. -Original Message- From: Peter Alimin milis...@live.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:50:35 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Nurdin M Top tewas di solo? 75%ya Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Candra Wu wu_can...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:03:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Nurdin M Top tewas di solo? Mant, idx 2500 end sept tercapai -Original Message- From: buaransum...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:41:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Nurdin M Top tewas di solo? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock
Dear Elaine, I think you will just ignore my comment as I am also not god but here I am trying to share opinion: #1 If safety is your main concern, why don't put deposit on call in foreign bank account or money market mutual fund? Liquidity is preferred when you want to withdraw anytime #2 Currency wise, is not only related to trade balance but merely depend on capital inflow/outflow. True that we are negative trading with China but still positive against Japan, Eur US. USD also related as with lesser value, producer hesitate to sell to international market thence export will be shrinking. I read somewhere that USD index is about formulazing inverted H S on monthly chart (somebody can help to prove it, please?), thus IDR will be affected badly if it is true #3 I also read that the El Nino effect is not significan enough to lift plantation price but if India's inflation is affirmative then it is good news. Like as well, lately Eur already accept CPO import from Indonesia. But remember, export tax will disturb the export preference somehow. Rgds On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)* #3 About stock:... India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean) Embah, what do you think? Elaine* ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.*
Re: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
The newly elected Japanese Finance Minister just recently said that he support strong Yen which push back US dollar value far deeper against Yen. Not really sure what his intention but perhaps they want to gain benefit from buying US treasury at current price and sell them later when US dollar stronger. Japanese need also this strategy as the way it is they are more becoming importers than exporters. Also population wise, Japan should support the olders (pension etc) whose portion is bigger that the younger generation. Trust me, we can't ignore Japan existency to US debt and currency policy which they (Japanese) are also competing with China as the world is spotting light on China much more than Japan lately. Japan think that they should appeal more to US in order to elevate their bargaining power. Should we could see the future when sometimes Renmimbi or Yen will be the world currency replacing US dollar...? -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:31:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :) *Of course we can expect intervention from the Fed, but I have no idea how... Any idea? Coz if the Americans want to boost their export, they can't keep the 'strong dollar policy', right? Please do some research on this policy, you may see that this one is merely a lip service just to keep their bond holders (The ones that fund US = China and Japan) from selling their US Tbonds. Elaine** * On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com wrote: 9.400-9.500 dulu deh. --- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com* menulis: Dari: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Judul: Re: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :) Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:39 AM 5000 will be chaotic maybe for Indonesian exporters...gov't wants a stable rate. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM, ruzli...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=ruzli...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry EL, Not Gonna Go to 5.000, for short term, akan dijaga 9500-10.000. Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin -- *From: * Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com *Date: *Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:09:11 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *[ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :) *Damn, I'm good. Elaine** * On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: * http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html * Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000, 1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please *wait until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why? cuz factories dump everything they have from their warehouses. Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand about what I'm talking about. * Elaine* -- Coba Yahoo! Mail baru yang LEBIH CEPAT. Rasakan bedanya sekarang! http://id.mail.yahoo.com 32B.gif
Re: [ob] World’s Largest Gold Reserves
Kabarnya, Hongkong menarik gold depository mereka di London dan menyimpan di suatu tempat pada awal September ini. -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:20:53 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] World’s Largest Gold Reserves Thanks Bro Cumi... Really apreciated. Hmm, menarik. By June2009, China jadi nomor 6 dgn total reserve 1054 ton dari sebelumnya 661.4 ton. GILE , kumpulin 500 ton dalam jangka waktu singkat. Kok European Central Bank melorot ya reserve-nya, dari 666.5 ton jadi 501.4 ton. Salam, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:37 AM, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.comwrote: world official gold reserves bisa didownload dari www.gold.org, update tiap 6 bulan. register for free first to download.
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
True that China is buying gold (and I believe they are also switching from USD to EUR and other hard currency). But particular for gold, US Fed can somehow control the price since they have the physical assets in huge stock. By loading and unloading, they can monopolize the price to their vested interest. But agree that holding gold is protecting from inflation. As for non ferrous metal, it depends whether China buying is just for stock purpose or intention to hedge against inflation. If for stocking, the cheaper price is the better and making the price will be going nowhere and even tend to sluggish. As earlier, China is also having problem with their manufacturers. What I believe, China should not only focus the use of commodities for building infrastructures but more should use for manufacturing products, enterprise and create jobs. But again who will consume them? So, bottom line. If market is shrinking and buying appetite is low, the price will be going even lower for all product and as well as the resources. That's why the concern is how to boost the spending in all over the world to create the real economyc (recovery grow) rather than stimulus make up... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe
[ob] Dollar’s Fall Below 90 Yen May Spark ‘Spiral,’ Tokai Tokyo Says
In many case, the currency is one of valid parameter to measure healthiness of other financial assest Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar’s decline will likely accelerate and its fall below 90 yen may spark a “downward spiral,” said Tokai Tokyo Securities Co. in Tokyo. Crossing that threshold would spark a sell-off of export- related stocks, said Yoh Nihei, trading group manager at Tokai Tokyo Securities. “As stocks decline, investors will buy Treasuries as a refuge,” said Nihei, who is based in Tokyo. “The resultant drop in yields will put more downward pressure on the dollar.” A decline toward this year’s bottom of 87.13 yen in January may trigger a free-fall, he said. The greenback traded as low as 90.68 yen today, the weakest level since February 13. The U.S. currency sank for a fourth day against the euro to a nine-month low. Nihei said the current wave of dollar-selling was spurred by a decline in Treasury yields, China’s diversification of foreign-exchange reserves and Moody’s Investors Service’s reiteration of a negative outlook for U.S. banks. Discussions by the United Nations and emerging countries of setting up a new reserve currency also weighed on the dollar, he said. The U.S. “does not show inclination toward intervention and seems geared toward moderate dollar-weakness,” Nihei said. With central banks and institutional investors around the world moving away from the dollar, “the market seems to be shifting from short-term dollar-selling to medium-term dollar-selling,” he said. Fibonacci Retracement The Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against the currencies of six major U.S. trading partners including the euro, yen and pound, fell to 76.625, the lowest level since Sept. 25, and is down 14 percent from the year’s high in March. The dollar will first target a support level of 90.50 yen, which represents a 76.4 percent Fibonacci retracement of a rally from a January low to an April high of 101.45 yen, according to Nihei. If the greenback falls below 90 yen, where knockout options are placed, full-fledged dollar-selling will begin, he said. Fibonacci analysis is based on the theory that securities tend to rise or fall by specific percentages after reaching a new high or low. To contact the reporter on this story: Hiroko Komiya in Tokyo at hkomi...@bloomberg.net + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Berita kematian AIG di China 'ditutupi'
Interesting Mbah. Saya baca ticker Bloomberg kemarin tentang collapsenya AIG di China setelah mundurnya beberapa buyer. Tetapi hari ini beritanya sudah diganti...Aneh.. China lagi mainin US atau kebalikannya US yg ngerjain China? Any clue? -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:36:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Berita kematian AIG di China 'ditutupi' Berita kematian AIG di China 'ditutupi' AIG di China katanya mati -- USD jatuh -- Commodity naik Berita kematian AIG di China ini seperti ditutupi secara global !!! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Stiglitz Says U.S. Economic Recovery May Not Be ‘Sustainable’
Dr Doom Roubini sudah menyatakan bahwa recovery akan long dan painfull. Hari ini Prof Stiglitz (Nobel Price Winner) juga menguatkan thesis akan W recovery. Yang pasti teman2 di beberapa multi-national company setuju bahwa sampai 2012 akan terjadi excessive supply dan perlu waktu supaya market bisa menyerap sampai terjadi titik equilibrium supply demand (new world). Kebanyakan perusahaan multi national saat ini lagi freezing dengan gradually mengurangi karyawan supaya endure, jangan sampai collapse untuk bisa melewati the worst stage dari krisis ini. - Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy faces a “significant chance” of contracting again after emerging from its worst recession since the 1930s, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said. “It’s not clear that the U.S. is recovering in a sustainable way,” Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor, told reporters yesterday in New York. Economists and policy makers are expressing concern about the strength of a projected economic recovery, with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner saying two days ago that it’s too soon to remove government measures aimed at boosting growth. Stiglitz said he sees two scenarios for the world’s largest economy in coming months. One is a period of “malaise,” in which consumption lags and private investment is slow to accelerate. The other is a rebound fueled by government stimulus that’s followed by an abrupt downturn -- an occurrence that economists call a “W-shaped’ recovery. “There’s a significant chance of a W, but I don’t think it’s inevitable,” he said. The economy “could just bounce along the bottom.” Stiglitz said it’s difficult to predict the economy’s trajectory because “we really are in a different world.” He said the crisis of the past year was made worse by lax regulation that allowed some financial firms to grow so large that the system couldn’t handle a failure of any of them. Big Banks “These institutions are not only too big to fail, they are too big to be managed,” he said. Finance ministers and central bankers from the Group of 20 nations meet in London Sept. 4-5 to lay the groundwork for a summit in Pittsburgh later this month, where leaders will consider measures to overhaul supervision of the financial system. The U.S. Treasury Department, in a statement yesterday, said it wants a global agreement requiring banks to increase their capital cushions to be reached by the end of next year. Stiglitz, 66, said that while $787 billion in federal government stimulus is propelling growth this quarter, there’s no guarantee the economy will maintain its momentum. On whether the U.S. needs another injection of stimulus, Stiglitz said it’s best to “wait and see.” “We did have a very big stimulus, and that stimulus has added to economic growth and will be adding in the current quarter,” he said. “But the question going forward in 2011 is the stimulus is coming off, and that’s a negative.” Lehman’s Collapse A U.S. government bailout of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., which filed for bankruptcy a year ago, wouldn’t have prevented the global economy from sliding into a recession, Stiglitz said. “Whether Lehman Brothers had or had not been bailed out, the global economy was headed for difficulties, a fact that seems increasingly evident as the world sputters in its recovery,” he said. U.S. GDP shrank at a 1 percent annual rate from April to June, following a 6.4 percent pace of contraction in the first three months of the year. The drop was the fourth in a row, the longest contraction since quarterly records began in 1947. The world’s largest economy has shrunk 3.9 percent since last year’s second quarter, making this the deepest recession since the Great Depression. Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2001 for showing that markets are inefficient when all parties in a transaction don’t have equal access to critical information, which is most of the time. Unused Capacity With so much excess capacity, the American economy faces a short-term threat of disinflation and possibly deflation, Stiglitz said. Wages may even decline, given recent high productivity and the likelihood of an extended period of high unemployment, he said. Longer term, he said the Fed’s aggressive monetary policy will mean inflation becomes the greater threat. “With the magnitude of the deficits and the balance sheet of the Fed having been blown up, it’s understandable why there are anxieties about inflation,” he said. While the Fed says it has the tools to deal with it, there are still concerns, Stiglitz said. Because monetary policy takes six to 18 months to have its full effect, the central bank will have to begin withdrawing monetary stimulus on the basis of forecasts. The Fed’s record on its economic forecasts isn’t enough to reassure investors and, as a result, the U.S. currency may
Re: [ob] Invest???
Besok malam ada pengumuman US Non-farm payroll, mbah. Data2 ini termasuk cukup penting karena group ini consist 80% dari total workers yang signifikan kontribusinya terhadap total US GDP. Jadi market bingung sambil tunggu data ini keluar... -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:16:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Invest??? Market menit2 terakhir sebelum closing: - Index diangkat lalu diturunin dikit pake TLKM, AALI, LSIP,BMRI, INTP - Group Bakrie diangkat - Ada kocokan pada PGAS, diangkat lalu digebug Kesimpulan: - Index relatif diam pada penutupan, tidak ada pertempuran yg berarti, artinya Investor jangka panjang umumnya HOLD, tidak ada BUY atau SELL yg berarti. - Group Bakrie diangkat hari ini, tapi belum jelas motifnya apakah ini REVERSAL atau JEBAKAN. Coba nanti malam kita analisa lagi... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@... wrote: Mau invest berapa menit? :) Regards, DE Pada 3 September 2009 15:42, Ferryferry.wachj...@... menulis: Mbah, Udah waktunya invest belum??? Udah mau 15 menit terakhir nich… Rgds, FW + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Re: watch DOID
Code-nya yang bagus OBAS, SOBA atau BASO? -Original Message- From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:17:00 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: watch DOID Milis saham dan OB ada kans buat merger? OB market capnya 8146 , milis saham 8709. Bisa dicari berapa nilai right issue yang perlu diterbitkan :) Regards, DE Pada 27 Agustus 2009 17:08, Irwan Napitupuluirwannapitup...@gmail.com menulis: Sekarang pakai teknik Mohammad Ali karena harga-harga lagi di atas. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] USDIDR
Pak Bagus, boleh nanya? Hampir semua market saham di dunia ini penuh dengan euphoria kenaikan harga saham di beberapa bulan terakhir yang mengikuti harga komoditas dan oil. Tetapi anehnya harga emas stay flat. Apakah ini signal bahwa emas sebenarnya juga naik tetapi karena real money is devaluing jadi kelihatan flat. Apakah ini pertanda bahwa inflation is not a threat or even a risk, sehingga interest rate will stay low. Sehingga akan ada korelasi positif juga ke pasar saham, sepanjang low interest maka stock market akan most favorable di mata investor. Apakah pengertian diatas salah? -Original Message- From: Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:37:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] USDIDR yap nge-tes di FR aja... tapi ga obral obral amat sih.. ini juga sambil liatin terus perkembangannya pasar FR sama IDR juga. ya kalo IDX bisa turun ampe dalem ato ada panik2an gitu yah tu FR saya jual lagi pindahin ke Equity. lha wong moneter sama konsumsi domestik kita masih intact ko... asset-class paling cihui itu ya Equity lah... itu hampir-hampir absolut kecuali amat sangat panik dunia kiamat. tapi kalo dunia kiamat masa iya saya masih mikirin portfolio sayah?!... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Alimin milis...@live.com wrote: ooh...ada sell-off di bond juga ya pak Bagus? Government bond aja? -- To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com From: disclosure@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:23:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [ob] USDIDR iyah ada kemungkinan Outflow krn tadi iseng taro Bid agak dibawah eh dapet barang juga Government Bond Yield 11 koma sekian%... Hmm.., Its About time Perhaps?! gapapa juga sih.. bisa re-profiling isi portfolio kan kalo Indeks Koreksi dalem... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Peter Alimin milis...@live.com wrote: USD IDR 10138/10152 (panin) hmm..dg F net sell 468bil, seharusnya IHSG bisa lebih jatuh lagi.. -- Party with Buddy! Bling out your Messenger with free winks emoticons. Click herehttp://discover.windowslive.com/en-id/messenger/messengeris10/#/downloads -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman -- Share your memories online with anyone you want anyone you want.http://www.microsoft.com/indonesia/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1 -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
Re: Re: [ob] DOW UPDATE
Tidak boleh pesimis memang, but we need to face the thruth here: - Dow sekarang cuma ikut old adage, buy the rumour rally (home sales result) dan sell the news correction (jika nanti hasil retail jelek) nanti - US GDP bisa survive karena government stimulus, tax cut, benefit payout dll. Tanpa stereoids dan intervensi pemerintah tsb, GDP mereka kontraksi mendekati 8% annually!, bukan 1% seperti published - China yang katanya GDPnya +10% saja, masih bisa koreksi -20% (walaupun issuenya more on TMP) -Original Message- From: tsetiawa...@yahoo.com tsetiawa...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:37:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [ob] DOW UPDATE Let's make it simple...semua negara pasti akan berusha memperbaiki keadaan ekonominya...begitu juga USA dan Indonesia...yg pastinya akan berpengaruh ke psr saham ---Toto Setiawan --- - original message - Subject: RE: Re: [ob] DOW UPDATE From: YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: 22/08/2009 11:32 AM Ada yg bisa kasih clue bagaimana prediksi data2 ekonomi US buat minggu depan? Yg akan direlease (yg penting): - US consumer confidence (Tue) - Durable goods order (Wed) - Consumer confidence (Fri) Jika data2 diatas hasilnya bagus, maka rally ini sustainable. Tetapi jika rendah dari market consensus, maka be prepared...as quoted comment: The market's putting the cart before the horse, trying to convince (itself) that the recovery exists. (But) the emperor has no clothes. The consumer will not come back. The consumer is dead said by one market player. Rgds/ Yuta + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: ASII in the position to trade?
Embah. Saya tidak ngerti TA, mungkin saja minyak akan naik sampai USD 77-78 sebelum koreksi lagi. Tetapi dari segi fundamental, sepertinya harga sekarang overshoot. Alasannya: - mesin2 pabrik belum full swing karena demand yg masih lemah dan lay off yg masih berlanjut - efisiensi terus menerus akan menekan pemakaian operational cost (minyak) - mobil hemat bahan bakar terus diluncurkan - ratusan kapal masih unemployeed dan idle di beberapa ports besar - BDI yang masih terus koreksi -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:08:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: ASII in the position to trade? Grafik minyaknya ada koreksi: http://metalprices.com/PubCharts/PublicCharts.aspx?metal=cl%20nymextype\ =Cweight=LBdays=3size=Mbg=cs=1cid=0 http://metalprices.com/PubCharts/PublicCharts.aspx?metal=cl%20nymextyp\ e=Cweight=LBdays=3size=Mbg=cs=1cid=0
RE: Re: [ob] DOW UPDATE
Ada yg bisa kasih clue bagaimana prediksi data2 ekonomi US buat minggu depan? Yg akan direlease (yg penting): - US consumer confidence (Tue) - Durable goods order (Wed) - Consumer confidence (Fri) Jika data2 diatas hasilnya bagus, maka rally ini sustainable. Tetapi jika rendah dari market consensus, maka be prepared...as quoted comment: The market's putting the cart before the horse, trying to convince (itself) that the recovery exists. (But) the emperor has no clothes. The consumer will not come back. The consumer is dead said by one market player. Rgds/ Yuta
Re: [ob] CPO
Kalau code CPO di Yahoo apa ya? -Original Message- From: er1ck er1...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:18:52 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] CPO PAL2MALY:IND 2009/8/20 **bLi-iNdRa** gusin...@rocketmail.com Sorry, nanya pas jam trading. Mau cek harga CPO di bloomberg kodenya apa ya? Ato ada link yg update harga CPO ga? Trims Best Regards **bLi iNdRa** ==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy==
[ob] US Deflation
18 Aug 09 Labor Dept: US Jul core PPI down 0.1% vs gain 0.1% expected. Core drop by 0.1% - deflation Periode terakhir US deflation terjadi sewaktu 1930 Great Depression...
Re: Bls: [ob] Analis Hebat dan Baik Hati + Last wish to I Ching
Mark Mobius bilang: Koreksi range 20-30%. Tapi tidak langsung. Market akan volatile sekali, turun 10%, naik 5%, terus turun lagi 10% dst.. Roubini bilang: Sluggish U recovery yang bisa berubah menjadi double dip (W) recovery kalau things get wrong -Original Message- From: Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:36:36 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Analis Hebat dan Baik Hati + Last wish to I Ching Yup TAL pak... Tapi kalo ngeshort barang sendiri sekarang disaat belum ijo kita yg retail rugi. Kalo bozz sih seneng2 aja... Semakin banyak yg nyerap barang dia. Naik lagi dijual lagi... Mirip dgn yg dibilang ama pak HMIN, ga akan langsung dibanting. Mungkin momentumnya kali ini mirip2 crash 2005. Dimana obligasi jatuh semua.. Selama september dibuat sengsara. Lagian masih ke 2500 kok janjinya. Hehehe kita nikmati aja hari selasa. -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:07:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Analis Hebat dan Baik Hati + Last wish to I Ching Bukannya itu time to sell pak? TAL tuh... 2009/8/15 Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com My personal opinion.. Yg mau short sekarang atau bandar mau banting sekarang malah rugi... WHY Kemarin malam sampe lunch time tadi 1. Dinner time kemarin, di sushi resto gt, segerombolan ibu bilang planning untuk masuk market... Bilang no fear lahh apa lah gitu.. Maklum dengerin sambil nguping2 gitu. 2. Tadi pagi havin dimsum di meja sebelah juga ribut bilangin saham buy ini lahh itu lahh masih belum naik tertinggi dll... 3. Sampe ngopi tadi sore pada ada yg bilang masih mau belanja.. Pada happy dow merah kemarin... Plus RM di bank bilang suruh beli reksadana mumpung ok. Mumpung belum 2800. Skrg masyarakat indo lagi raging to buy 4 indikator itu mnrt saya bahwa market udah kepanasan. Kalo buy to trade msh ok.. Untuk invest.. Tunggu dulu. Jadi kalo superbozz hari selasa malah naikin bursa berapa byk duit yg bs diraup Get d point kan? Tapi klo lgsg mau dibanting ya silahkan... I'm ready bozz -- *From*: Rei *Date*: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:15:26 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: Bls: [ob] Analis Hebat dan Baik Hati + Last wish to I Ching No commo EL? BUMI won't be left behind by Bozz... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Yeah but bullish without correction is very dangerous than can lead to structural damage. I'm always bullish for long term, for 3 yrs at least. Elaine** * 2009/8/15 Spiderman nadya...@yahoo.co.id El, bukannya kemaren baru bilang bullish..?? N recomment invest di BNBR n BMTR group... ?? Sekarang jd bearish lagi.. N stock pick nya juga beda lagi... Kalo senin regional asia ijo.. Bilang bullish n invest lagi? Sent from my StrawBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat BEJ -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:19:53 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: Bls: [ob] Analis Hebat dan Baik Hati + Last wish to I Ching *He told us to short. I agree with him, that's the lowest cost to make profit without hurting the valuation. We will see a BIG correction and we should be happy for it, because it will BOUNCE BACK BIG enough as well. Issues (please study first): * - *deflation, unemployment (related to bad consumer spending report, in United Fuckin' States)* - *China: protection and tight money policy int. rate rise * - *Local: H1N1, unstable IDR.* - *And I'm worried about Obama safety vs Israel as he's a bit hard on them especially on West Bank settlement. Hopefully he doesn't end up like Lincoln or Kennedy.* *Nobody can control the market behaviour, but some ppl are good at EXPLOITING and TAKING ADVANTAGE of it. When it comes, BUY BUY BUY and again BUY. My stock picks: * - *domestic sector: telecomms, infrastructure, cement, construction, tobaccos* * Think long term, the economic power is shifting to Asia. This correction is a BLESSING in DISGUISE. How low? I don't know, that's JT/TT job to measure as it is very technical (possibly at long term support or something, or moving average of 200d). I will provide a macro view, JT/TT provides the entry/exists, Art and Embah will be the commander. Looks like a perfect team, isn't it? Long live OB. ^_^ Elaine** * 2009/8/15 artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id kutipan dari embah: periode tgl 18 sampe 21, embah baru percaya I Ching karena pada periode ini UNSUR BAIK HATI yg pegang peranan. apakah embah melihat suatu PERANAN UNSUR BAIK HATI (tuhan kecil : istilah embah) di market kita pada periode tersebut..? apa saya salah tangkap maksud embah..? jangan ragu mbah. ungkapkan saja secara terang benderang... regards, A9. --- Pada *Sab, 15/8/09,
[ob] Breaking News - Al Jazeera: Noordin M Top tertangkap
Tapi polisi masih mengatakan berita ini tidak benar. Ada yg bisa konfirmasi? http://m.aljazeera.net/?i=4360artId=343638showonly=1  Police arrest Jakarta bomb suspect 8/7/2009 12:18:47 PM Noordin Mohammed Top, wanted in connection with the recent bombing of two luxury hotels in Jakarta, has been arrested. Top, one of two people suspected of being involved in the blasts at the Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in the Indonesian capital on July 17, was reportedly taken into custody on Friday. Nine people were killed and more than 50 others injured in the blasts. He was a key member of Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), an al-Qaeda-linked group that wants to establish an Islamic state across Southeast Asia. But his group broke away from JI after an alleged falling-out with the leadership over the targeting of civilians. JI is blamed, among other attacks, for the 2002 Bali nightclub bombing that killed 202 people. Noordin is thought to have been behind the attacks on the Jakarta Marriott in 2003 and the Australian embassy in 2004, as also on a series of restaurants in Bali in 2005 in which more than 20 people were killed. 
Re: [ob] NGEMENG2, ELAINE HONEY UDAH MULAI BELANJA LUM ??
What to buy EL? Focus on Bakrie stocks while waiting for correction? But, Commodities looks interesting right? Afraid of deflation? Or, property and healthcare? Which one? -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:29:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] NGEMENG2, ELAINE HONEY UDAH MULAI BELANJA LUM ?? *I repeat..* *Hopefully Artomoro (that rich, powerful and incredibly handsome guy) is kind enough to give us some discount. [?][?][?] please.* *Elaine* 2009/8/6 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *Just buy on WEAKNESS. Hopefully Artomoro is kind enough to give us some discount. Elaine** * 2009/8/6 kelvin Chang kelvin.chan...@yahoo.com kalo soal malu sih biasa itu, yg penting elaine mau belanja lum?? atau mau tunggu index 2100 atau di bwh 2 rb atau yg top buy enrg hr ini si elaine ya... hehehehhe B0C.gif
[ob] Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion
**This Friday looks like an important day.** Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion 11:29 AM EDT By Vivianne Rodrigues NEW YORK (Reuters) - The dollar rose against the euro on Wednesday as reports showing greater-than-expected U.S. service sector contraction in July and surprisingly high job cuts by private employers boosted demand for the greenback as a safe-haven. The advance contrasts with the dollar's sharp drop earlier in the week as upbeat U.S. and Chinese manufacturing data gave investors confidence to buy foreign currencies and riskier assets such as stocks. However, Wednesday's lackluster reports signaled more uneasy times for the broader U.S. economy and renewed risk aversion, traders said. Increased risk aversion tends to favor currencies such as the yen, a favored safe-haven, and the dollar versus higher-yielding counterparts. We're getting a mixed picture in this latest batch of data, said Joe Trevisani, a chief market analyst, at FX Solutions, in Ridgewood, New Jersey. That's why we have seen the euro come off against the dollar. In mid-morning trading in New York, the euro was 0.2 down percent at $1.4371 after trading as high as $1.4437 earlier. The European currency hit $1.4445 on Monday, its highest since December. The dollar was 0.3 percent lower versus the yen at 94.93 yen. The Institute for Supply Management said its non-manufacturing index fell to 46.4 in July from June's 47.0. A reading above 50 signals expansion. Economists expected a reading of 48.0. The ISM non-manufacturing report was much weaker than expected, contributing to a risk-off kind of scenario in the foreign exchange markets, favoring the dollar, said Andrew Busch, a global FX strategist at BMO Capital Markets in Chicago. Another report showed new orders received by U.S. factories rose unexpectedly in June, advancing for a third straight month [ID:nN04135411]. The services sector and new orders figures followed reports showing larger-than-expected cuts by U.S. private employers in July and an increase in planned layoffs at U.S. firms. The labor markets data weighed on risk appetite and consequently revived some demand for safe-haven currencies, said Joe Manimbo, a currency trader at Travelex Global Business Payments in Washington. Another gauge on the state of the U.S. labor markets is expected on Friday with the government's release of its monthly non-farm payrolls data. Wednesday's ADP report suggests that we could see a downside surprise to Friday's broader employment data, said Manimbo. Investors' focus will also be on policy decisions by the Bank of England and European Central Bank due on Thursday. (Additional reporting by Wanfeng Zhou and Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss in New York; Editing by Dan Grebler)
Re: [ob] Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion
Saya coba jawab. Hari Jumat ini ada pengumuman government unemployment report untuk bulan Juli. Angkanya, menurut estimate, masih tinggi. Sepanjang unemployment masih tinggi, recovery itu cuma fake. Perusahaan masih belum mau hire orang, malah di bulan Juli masih berkelanjutan layoff. Kalau tidak salah, sebagian besar labour di USA bergerak di bidang services, dan itu menggerakkan 80% dari economic output. Jika sector ini masih hit by crisis, maka demand (spending) tidak akan naik dan ujung2nya recovery akan stall. Menurut pandangan saya, yg harus dicermati pergerakan USD/Yen lebih dibanding USD/EUR. Yen akan menguat jika ada risk aversion. Sedangkan EUR lebih ke persepsi komoditi price. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com wrote: Conclusion-nya jadi apa ya Yuta? Please advice, thanks. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:29 PM, YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote: **This Friday looks like an important day.** Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion 11:29 AM EDT By Vivianne Rodrigues NEW YORK (Reuters) - The dollar rose against the euro on Wednesday as reports showing greater-than-expected U.S. service sector contraction in July and surprisingly high job cuts by private employers boosted demand for the greenback as a safe-haven. The advance contrasts with the dollar's sharp drop earlier in the week as upbeat U.S. and Chinese manufacturing data gave investors confidence to buy foreign currencies and riskier assets such as stocks. However, Wednesday's lackluster reports signaled more uneasy times for the broader U.S. economy and renewed risk aversion, traders said. Increased risk aversion tends to favor currencies such as the yen, a favored safe-haven, and the dollar versus higher-yielding counterparts. We're getting a mixed picture in this latest batch of data, said Joe Trevisani, a chief market analyst, at FX Solutions, in Ridgewood, New Jersey. That's why we have seen the euro come off against the dollar. In mid-morning trading in New York, the euro was 0.2 down percent at $1.4371 after trading as high as $1.4437 earlier. The European currency hit $1.4445 on Monday, its highest since December. The dollar was 0.3 percent lower versus the yen at 94.93 yen. The Institute for Supply Management said its non-manufacturing index fell to 46.4 in July from June's 47.0. A reading above 50 signals expansion. Economists expected a reading of 48.0. The ISM non-manufacturing report was much weaker than expected, contributing to a risk-off kind of scenario in the foreign exchange markets, favoring the dollar, said Andrew Busch, a global FX strategist at BMO Capital Markets in Chicago. Another report showed new orders received by U.S. factories rose unexpectedly in June, advancing for a third straight month [ID:nN04135411]. The services sector and new orders figures followed reports showing larger-than-expected cuts by U.S. private employers in July and an increase in planned layoffs at U.S. firms. The labor markets data weighed on risk appetite and consequently revived some demand for safe-haven currencies, said Joe Manimbo, a currency trader at Travelex Global Business Payments in Washington. Another gauge on the state of the U.S. labor markets is expected on Friday with the government's release of its monthly non-farm payrolls data. Wednesday's ADP report suggests that we could see a downside surprise to Friday's broader employment data, said Manimbo. Investors' focus will also be on policy decisions by the Bank of England and European Central Bank due on Thursday. (Additional reporting by Wanfeng Zhou and Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss in New York; Editing by Dan Grebler)
Re: [ob] Regional Ijo , Siapa yg kemaren Nyopet ??
SSE sudah minus 3.35%!! Ada issue apa? -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:45:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Regional Ijo , Siapa yg kemaren Nyopet ?? Udeeehhh, jangan ngeledekin orang mulu…, ayo kerja…, kerja……. Hehe JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ruzli...@gmail.com Sent: 06 Agustus 2009 9:31 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Regional Ijo , Siapa yg kemaren Nyopet ?? Saya tunggu yg kemarin suruh Sell All Posting lagi baru Buy. Sabar aja deh. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: troyanese Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:17:01 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Regional Ijo , Siapa yg kemaren Nyopet ?? Anda kurang beruntung. Lain kali coba lagi :D --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , ruzli...@... wrote: Saya kemarin malah Sell All :( Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: dario kurniawan darioamran1...@... Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:12:07 To: obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Regional Ijo , Siapa yg kemaren Nyopet ?? ^AORDAll Ordinaries4,308.90 8:50PM ET 36.70 (0.86%)^N225Nikkei 22510,306.32 8:50PM ET 53.79 (0.52%) ^STIStraits Times2,619.78 9:09PM ET 12.95 (0.50%^KS11Seoul Composite1,567.41 8:50PM ET 7.94 (0.51%) Dario Amran Lebih Bersih, Lebih Baik, Lebih Cepat - Rasakan Yahoo! Mail baru yang Lebih Cepat hari ini! http://id.mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2284 - Release Date: 08/05/09 18:23:00
Re: [ob] Crash?!
Mbah pernah bilang. Yg jagoan biasa ditarik terakhir-terakhir sebelum perubahan trend. Save the best for last. Apakah ini masih berlaku di hari ini karena Bakrie7 naik banyak Mbah? -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:39:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Crash?! Perhatikan engga saham metal dan cpo hampir tidak bergerak disaat IHSG +54... Tebak scenario apa INI ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Peter Alimin milis...@... wrote: Crash klo medc udah ar kanan2x Zaman batu dulu indikator sih medc skrg sih ga tau apa.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: coderman topg...@... Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:08:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Crash?! Keres nya akir taon aja satuju teman2 :) 2009/7/30 Pit Hong flymai...@yahoo. mailto:flymai...@... co.id Crash?! What crash??!! Kentang goreng hahahaha Terhubung langsung dengan banyak teman di blog dan situs pribadi Anda? Buat Pingbox terbaru Anda sekarang! http://id.messenger http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox/ .yahoo.com/pingbox/ + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini?
Elaine. One quick question, are you using one broker to sell out your last portfolio today, or multiple? -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:05:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini? *What? No. I 'left' IDX but not OB. [?] I just want to see whether in this 3Q the rally is sustainable or not, that's all. I see many crazy (greedy) buyers today so I decide to liquidate what was left on my portfolios. Yes, I know you must think that I did a bad move, I mean selling in the middle of a strong rally? what the hell? lolz.. But I believe in my sources and my own analysis. Just like you, JT. Believe only in ourself. After all, my targets are already met, I'm happy, my investors are happy, you, art and OB are happy. Elaine** * 2009/7/30 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Emang si EL mau kemana Boss...? are you leaving again EL? JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Earwicker Sent: 30 Juli 2009 19:38 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini? BG naik kencang karena laporan kinerja reksadana semester 1, sekalian window dressing lapkeu mungkin buat modal ngutang lagi mengkale, juga karena break console pake vol, juga senada dgn kutukan 31 julinya mbah, sekalian jendral arto show of force, kebangkitan billy di media dan pesta perpisahan EL. OB GITU LOH ;) kalo engga coan juga mah kebangeten. Hehe... On 7/30/09, charles_3983 charles_3...@yahoo.com wrote: abis semalem kan DOW merah.. oil drop.. ko bisa2nya BUMI dkk ngamuk2 hari ini? apa karena mereka masih laggard? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2270 - Release Date: 07/30/09 05:58:00 338.gif
Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini?
Elaine, Talking about recovery, what indicator are you referring that the crisis is easing? Too complex and various parameter, but you can name few such as: when Fed increase the rate, just an example. In economic (business wise), what company or sector that can well describe the recovery has started? i.e. Upward of international container traffic etc. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:00:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini? *I did take the momentum. I was expecting to see massive buyers who are willing to buy at higher price, and that happened this month. By the way, what 'signal' you mean? can you be more specific? Elaine** * On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:36 PM, stock.bree...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Miss Elaine.. Just curious with ur selling all portfolio when there's a strong buy with volume strategy.. R u being chased by deadline from ur investors Miss EL???.. 100% understand if yes.. But if not why not taking the momentum to gain more points from those rally???.. I know there's a lot of bad sentiment that may occur.. But along the way we also rcvd several early signs of economic recovery.. Yes again no one knows what will happen tomorrow.. But still (arguing lolz) why don't wait n see what tomorrow tell u???.. If the momentum is there then u can generate more right??? anyway ur portfolio already in small portion though???.. -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:05:15 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini? *What? No. I 'left' IDX but not OB. [?] I just want to see whether in this 3Q the rally is sustainable or not, that's all. I see many crazy (greedy) buyers today so I decide to liquidate what was left on my portfolios. Yes, I know you must think that I did a bad move, I mean selling in the middle of a strong rally? what the hell? lolz.. But I believe in my sources and my own analysis. Just like you, JT. Believe only in ourself. After all, my targets are already met, I'm happy, my investors are happy, you, art and OB are happy. Elaine** * 2009/7/30 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Emang si EL mau kemana Boss...? are you leaving again EL? JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Earwicker Sent: 30 Juli 2009 19:38 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mbah, sebenernya apa si yang mentrigger kenaikan hari ini? BG naik kencang karena laporan kinerja reksadana semester 1, sekalian window dressing lapkeu mungkin buat modal ngutang lagi mengkale, juga karena break console pake vol, juga senada dgn kutukan 31 julinya mbah, sekalian jendral arto show of force, kebangkitan billy di media dan pesta perpisahan EL. OB GITU LOH ;) kalo engga coan juga mah kebangeten. Hehe... On 7/30/09, charles_3983 charles_3...@yahoo.com wrote: abis semalem kan DOW merah.. oil drop.. ko bisa2nya BUMI dkk ngamuk2 hari ini? apa karena mereka masih laggard? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2270 - Release Date: 07/30/09 05:58:00 338.gif
Re: [ob] Defensive and outperforming sectors for 2H09
El, For sake of clarification, you've said earlier that the deflation spiral is dead. Amongst those, property price should also be discounted, right? Then why you choose property? Or, correct me if the property for only mid term (say 6mths to 1yr) but still commodities for longer term (2yrs or longer)? True? Advise, please. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:16:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Defensive and outperforming sectors for 2H09 *The economic outlook is not too good for 2H09 but not everything is bad. I've made an analysis and the result is: 1. Property and related sector (cement, construction)**2. Pharmacy and Health care* * * These ones have been laggard but they will be shining soon and outperform other sectors. I suggest if you want to do short/med term investing, you focus on these. Forget commodity stocks. Please ask for JT or Tasrul assistance for entry/exit points. Most of the them have small caps, so they're quite volatile. Good for traders. * * *Have a nice investing and good luck [?][?] See, I can be nice to traders too. [?]* * * *Elaine* 510.gif330.gif1B2.gif
Re: [ob] Defensive and outperforming sectors for 2H09
This is what so called W-recovery perhaps. Hmm, very logic and make sense. Thanks a lot for your informative and inteligence from different perspective, which trust none of us have that kind of ability and resources. Keep sharing with us EL, your posting is truly shining, I mean it. Don't eat too much, ya... Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:58:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Defensive and outperforming sectors for 2H09 Deflation also means lower cost.* I expect the commodity prices to decline*, thus giving benefit to property, cement, steel makers and construction companies. For Indonesia there are still a big space for *additional rate cuts, perhaps until 3-4%*, but not for US. * * *Let's separate between the ECONOMY and the STOCK MARKET. Like I said before, there is economic power shift from the western to Asia. Sooner or later the US economy will shrink, that will bring a temporary set back to ALL market (psychological effect) BUT the market will realize that Asia has its own 'business' and should rebound faster, leaving the US behind.* * * *Please avoid export based companies, stick to domestic ones. So, don't say Elaine tidak bisa changcut ya!! [?] the difference is only the timeframe and scale, that's all. You'll see massive bad news soon, the PIG market WILL be severely affected BUT don't worry, it's actually a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.* * * *But I will not buy at this moment, I will wait for discount. BIG discount. The set back in China is actually healthy to stop the stock market from overheating since I know the market makers in China are using highly leveraged fund (as in the commodity futures)* * * *High commodity prices needs to be stop as it is dangerous for the economic growth. Why? because the unemployment rate is so high and the purchasing power is shrinking, so if ppl keep speculating the future market, we're going nowhere. The bad thing is IDX has many listed mining/plantation companies and the authority 'intervention' to the future market will indirectly affect IDX (I dunno, do you understand what I mean?). * * * *But I believe the big guys in the governement are doing the right thing, we just have to wait. Be patient. Please note there is also geo-political issue, not just economy. I will discuss it later, coz I'm hungry now. [?]* * * Elaine On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:32 PM, YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote: El, For sake of clarification, you've said earlier that the deflation spiral is dead. Amongst those, property price should also be discounted, right? Then why you choose property? Or, correct me if the property for only mid term (say 6mths to 1yr) but still commodities for longer term (2yrs or longer)? True? Advise, please. Thanks. -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:16:22 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Defensive and outperforming sectors for 2H09 *The economic outlook is not too good for 2H09 but not everything is bad. I've made an analysis and the result is: 1. Property and related sector (cement, construction)**2. Pharmacy and Health care* * * These ones have been laggard but they will be shining soon and outperform other sectors. I suggest if you want to do short/med term investing, you focus on these. Forget commodity stocks. Please ask for JT or Tasrul assistance for entry/exit points. Most of the them have small caps, so they're quite volatile. Good for traders. * * *Have a nice investing and good luck [?][?] See, I can be nice to traders too. [?]* * * *Elaine* 510.gif330.gif980.gif1B2.gif
[ob] Yield US Treasury naik banyak!
All, Ada yg perhatikan, yield US T-Notes yang 10yrs naik 0.37% sedangkan yg 30yrs malah naik hampir 1% (tepatnya 0.90%). Apa ini TAL bahwa US treasury tidak laku? Sementara US menguat cukup tajam terhadap EUR dan JPY. Ada yg bisa jelaskan? Financial armageddon is about coming? Not sure...
Re: [ob] USD Index ... any comment ?
Pak Hmin, Bagaimana USD index? Ada perubahan yg signifikan? Menguat atau melemah? Tetapi kenapa oil retreat banyak ya? -Original Message- From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:44:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] USD Index ... any comment ? saya cuman lihat di sini http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$USD Secara kasat mata.. benar-benar 50:50 .. bisa up bisa down :D Kenapa USD menguat - Lihat MACD weekly dan dayly. MACD weekly akan cross up. MACD daily vs price = price double bottom macd divergence Kenapa melemah - Secara chart pattern..mirip flat base breakout (ke bawah) sayang USD index tidak menyertakan volume
Re: [ob] Mengapa berfikir akan terjadi crash/rally down/big koreksi ?
Danny De Vito?except lots of hair, I guess -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:25:56 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mengapa berfikir akan terjadi crash/rally down/big koreksi ? *Art's boyfriend. He's a typical Italian. Fat, sweaty and got lots of hair all over his back down to his ass. Yuck...** * *Elaine** * On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:10 PM, billy_budiman92 billybudima...@yahoo.comwrote: Fred Schubert siapa ya ? ada yang bisa kasih tahu, hehehehheee, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Give me four more days! I still have some to be cashed out. After that, you can do anything with these stocks. If you can make IDX to 2800 then it's good, I will be happy for you. I am sure a lot of ppl will remember you as 'the one'. (But personally I think you will yangkut like Fred Schubert. Sorry... [?])* * * *About 93% of my portfolios have been successfully liquidated this month. Artomoro, dear.. umm.. thank you very much. [?] I owe you big time. Don't worry about me, I'll be back when everyone goes bankrupt.. lolz.. just kidding guys.* * * * * Elaine 2009/7/27 artomoro9 artomo...@... Saya tidak mengerti, mengapa saat sekarang ini nuansa bearish terasa kuat di obers? Kalo diliat dari postingan temen2 semua keliatan sekali suasana itu. Apakah karena postingan EL? Atau warning2 dari para senior? Justru ane berfikir posisi sekarang adalah START FLYING TO BREAK HIGH ihsg 2800. Kapan? Target ane, in this year, 2009. masih ada waktu 5 bulan. Semoga. ___ Dapatkan nama yang Anda sukai! Sekarang Anda dapat memiliki email di @ymail.com dan @rocketmail.com. http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: 3 Agustus 09 Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios. SOFT landing or HARD? --Beware with Negative Divergence
Pak Hmin, Analis prediksi GDP Q2 US di median -1.5% setelah kontraksi 5.5% di Q1 lalu. Pasar menaruh harapan jika sesuai dengan ekpektasi, maka benar bahwa ekonomi US sudah bottoming di Q2 dan akan mulai positif growth di Q3 atau paling telat Q4. Padahal Bernanke sendiri tidak begitu yakin ya, kalau kita baca dari statement terakhir. Malah Roudini bilang ekonomi akan W recovery dan free fall lagi di late 2011 karena higher commodity price, stagnant credit market etc... -Original Message- From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:53:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3 Agustus 09 Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios. SOFT landing or HARD? --Beware with Negative Divergence Dah tunggu aja 3 Agustus 09 Bil FTA saya (Feeling Teknikal Analisis) bilang settingan momentum BEI di tanggal itu Alasan : - LK 1H 09 keluar semua... dan HARUS BAGUS - 31 July 09 ada laporan GDP 1H US.. dan HARUS BAGUS 2009/7/25 billy_wta60 billybudima...@yahoo.com Ada yang perhatiin gak, banyak saham blue chip sekarang udah mulai membentuk divergence negatif dengan RSI kebanyakan ? memang secara short term atau 1-2 minggu keliatannya positif, tapi kalau udah 4 minggu biasanya kita lihat ada divergence negatif, Apalagi BDMN tuh, buset RSI, MACD, Stochastic membuat top yang merendah 3 x, sedangkan harga 3 x break high, divergence negatif lha INDF, INTP, UNTR, ASII, BMRI, GGRM, SMGR, PGAS, BBRI, KLBF, Bahkan IHSG kita juga membentuk divergence negative terhadap MACD, RSI, Stochastic, begitu juga dengan LQ45 Yang aneh, saham2 mining tidak divergence negative, ini I lihat mungkin karena koreksi tajam di bulan juni, kalaupun mereka membuat high baru, nampaknya indikator2 ini juga masih akan divergence negative/ pengalaman, pas IHSG sebelum jatuh ke 1,888 dari 2,100 kemarin, kayak gitu juga, banyak yang divergence negatif, tapi karena regional naik, die jadi kependem, pas dow aneh2, divergence bener2 ngehabisin IHSG dari 2,100 ke 1,888 dalam tempo singkat jadi kayaknya divergence yang kayak gini, butuh trigger news, selama masih baik2 aja, ya naik terus, tapi kalau mulai jelek news-nya, bisa dikonfirmasi ama divergence ini, belum lagi ini udah elliot wave 5, tiati aja sih, I gak mau bilang bearish dulu, sekedar ngingetin aja, supaya jangan terlalu terlena dengan kenaikan yang tidak didukung indikator. Jadi bersiap2 aja clear barang, kalau memang ada clear signal juga yang akan mengkonfirmasi divergence ini So, watch the news and sentiment ajalah untuk minggu2 ini, apalagi udah mau masuk agustus, bulan yang scary buat pasar modal,hehehehhee Karena biasanya divergence itu dikonfirmasi : 1. Korporasi emiten 2. Sentiment dari luar Jadi waspadalah dan waspadalah, termasuk I juga, hehehehe GBU --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, billy_wta60 billybudima...@... wrote: Joget ? kayak musik dangdut aja, hahahahahaha, orang pasar modal kan seringnya lagu pop atau jazz, jadi lebih cocok disko daripada joget, hehehhehee GBU --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, boyz m4573rs@ wrote: Itu list yg lain, pak :) List Om DE yg ane tambahin, adalah list oknum-oknum yg kalau 'teriak' bisa bikin pasar atau saham goyang or joget. Hehehe... [:D] Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Pak Boyz included dech...nih postingan mbah: ADVISORY TEAM OB Group Macro Economy: - Sirait Phd - Ekonom Beling Fundamental: - Dean Earwicker - Elaine- Armando - Hendra Bujang - Ocoy - Halim - Irwan Ariston - Yudizz - Meizal - Boyz - Desmon - Adjies Technical: - Alfatih - Jsxtrader - Tasrul - Angelo - Hans - Adit - Ihsg88 - Alx trader - Tirta Bandarmology: - Embah - Oentoeng Rumor/News/researh - Rita Pardede - Felix Liem - Tbumi Miscelaneous - Rully - Fify - Edwin - Bullquote Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: boyz m4573rs@ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:53:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD? Ane nambahim statistik-nya om DE ... 1. Jsx-Consultant 2. Artomoro9 3. Elaine Sui 4. Oentoeng 5. Jsx Trader 6. Dean Earwicker Potential newcomer 7. Billy TBumi on ANTM... akhir '08. Sekarang dah jarang kasih komando lagi. Kang ocoy dah lama desersi, ane gak masukin list lagi, hehehe. Dulu ada pak BuSur, jendral bintang lima di OB, Master BHSH, lebih lama lagi bertapa-nya, sampai sekarang lom nongol. And juga dulu ada pak Eka Suwandana yang top
Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD?
Ikut sumbang pendapat: 1. World rally sekarang ini lebih karena overliquid dimana banks dan financial institusi yg sudah diinject harus window dressing Lap Keu mereka seakan (sudah) mulai sehat dengan banyak bermain di treasury dan stock market. Stock naik, revenue mereka naik 2. Ini tidak selamanya akan terjadi karena banks sudah harus fokus ke consumer dan lending, bukan hanya stock. Kalau tidak, ekonomi tidak akan bergerak. Tetapi weak ekonomi masih dillema 3. Asumsi saya, sekarang ini market dibuat menarik supaya terjadi panik buying, sehingga dana short term bisa keluar dan digantikan dana fresh dari masyarakat yg masih trauma, supaya suistainability akan terbentuk 4. Saat ini sedang pembentukan opini bahwa hanya stock market yang lebih profitable, dipancing dengan semua berita bagus bersamaan dengan membaiknya laporan keuangan 2Q 5. Masa transisi ini, tentu akan terjadi time lagging dimana dana short term yang keluar bisa saja tidak sepenuhnya tergantikan dengan dengan dana masyarakat. Ini akan menimbulkan koreksi Jadi kesimpulannya, hanya terjadi koreksi. Tetapi pada masa ini tergantung dengan situasi kedepan, jika cuma persepsi yg terbentuk tidak diikuti oleh fundamental yang memburuk, maka boleh dikatakan yg terjadi adalah soft landing dan menuju W recovery di stock market. Tetapi kalau banyak kejadian yg diluar dugaan, bisa U, atau malah L as worst scenario. Maaf kalau salah, soalnya cuma analisa tong kosong nyaring bunyinya. Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:57:25 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD? Just to bridge an open, analytic, thoughtful and friendly discussion in here. This is not intended to provoke, impose an opinion, or to be chaotic debate. Background: * IHSG sudah beberapa bulan ini rebound sampai ke posisi 2185.Technically speaking, posisi IHSG saat ini sudah sampai pada 61,8% Fibonacci Retracement (Posisi tertinggi 2838 - posisi terendah 1089 maka 61,8% FR IHSG = 2170,31). * Secara Elliot Wave counting, sekarang ini IHSG berada dalam Wave 5. Arguments: Walau masih ada potensi kenaikan, untuk jangka pendek-menengah lebih besar probabilitas IHSG untuk terkoreksi. Dan dalam konteks fundamental maupun makro ekonomi masih ada potensi-potensi yang bisa menyebabkan market men-discount current price. Tapi melihat baru dimulainya Bull Rally di bursa Amerika dan Eropa (DJI memasuki wave 3), jika mengacu pada intermarket analysis dan market psychology, sepertinya irrelevant jika IHSG tidak ikut larut dalam euphoria market regional. So, which scenario of correction for IHSG may occur? Soft Landing or Hard Landing? Please share your opinion. (you can include or add technical, fundamental, bandarmology, news, macro economy, or any approach as long as still referring to 1st and 2nd line of this post). Thanks for your contribution and have nice weekend. Salam,
Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD?
Bisa dicari di Internet atau kalau ada akses ke teman yang kerja di perusahaan tsb. Kalau tidak salah, earnings untuk financial sector di US naik 8%, terbesar dibanding yang lain, termasuk mengalahkan technology yg cuma 6% (cmiiw). Earnings Q2 naik karena dibantu juga oleh cost cutting (lay off, close down offices, restructuring some of business unit etc.). Tapi jika dari segi cost sudah tidak bisa disqueeze sedangkan revenue/earning tidak bisa naik atau malah turun, ini yang harus diamati -Original Message- From: [ M S ] mimpi.sa...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:29:54 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD? Pak Yuta, Laporan keuangan yang dimaksud bisa lihat di mana pak? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:09:35 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD? Ikut sumbang pendapat: 1. World rally sekarang ini lebih karena overliquid dimana banks dan financial institusi yg sudah diinject harus window dressing Lap Keu mereka seakan (sudah) mulai sehat dengan banyak bermain di treasury dan stock market. Stock naik, revenue mereka naik 2. Ini tidak selamanya akan terjadi karena banks sudah harus fokus ke consumer dan lending, bukan hanya stock. Kalau tidak, ekonomi tidak akan bergerak. Tetapi weak ekonomi masih dillema 3. Asumsi saya, sekarang ini market dibuat menarik supaya terjadi panik buying, sehingga dana short term bisa keluar dan digantikan dana fresh dari masyarakat yg masih trauma, supaya suistainability akan terbentuk 4. Saat ini sedang pembentukan opini bahwa hanya stock market yang lebih profitable, dipancing dengan semua berita bagus bersamaan dengan membaiknya laporan keuangan 2Q 5. Masa transisi ini, tentu akan terjadi time lagging dimana dana short term yang keluar bisa saja tidak sepenuhnya tergantikan dengan dengan dana masyarakat. Ini akan menimbulkan koreksi Jadi kesimpulannya, hanya terjadi koreksi. Tetapi pada masa ini tergantung dengan situasi kedepan, jika cuma persepsi yg terbentuk tidak diikuti oleh fundamental yang memburuk, maka boleh dikatakan yg terjadi adalah soft landing dan menuju W recovery di stock market. Tetapi kalau banyak kejadian yg diluar dugaan, bisa U, atau malah L as worst scenario. Maaf kalau salah, soalnya cuma analisa tong kosong nyaring bunyinya. Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:57:25 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Correction Scenarios... SOFT landing or HARD? Just to bridge an open, analytic, thoughtful and friendly discussion in here. This is not intended to provoke, impose an opinion, or to be chaotic debate. Background: * IHSG sudah beberapa bulan ini rebound sampai ke posisi 2185.Technically speaking, posisi IHSG saat ini sudah sampai pada 61,8% Fibonacci Retracement (Posisi tertinggi 2838 - posisi terendah 1089 maka 61,8% FR IHSG = 2170,31). * Secara Elliot Wave counting, sekarang ini IHSG berada dalam Wave 5. Arguments: Walau masih ada potensi kenaikan, untuk jangka pendek-menengah lebih besar probabilitas IHSG untuk terkoreksi. Dan dalam konteks fundamental maupun makro ekonomi masih ada potensi-potensi yang bisa menyebabkan market men-discount current price. Tapi melihat baru dimulainya Bull Rally di bursa Amerika dan Eropa (DJI memasuki wave 3), jika mengacu pada intermarket analysis dan market psychology, sepertinya irrelevant jika IHSG tidak ikut larut dalam euphoria market regional. So, which scenario of correction for IHSG may occur? Soft Landing or Hard Landing? Please share your opinion. (you can include or add technical, fundamental, bandarmology, news, macro economy, or any approach as long as still referring to 1st and 2nd line of this post). Thanks for your contribution and have nice weekend. Salam,
[ob] Deflation
Kalau saya prediksi, sekarang ini issue balik ke mortgage problem di US dimana Commercial property baik harga maupun rental masih turun terus. Ini menandakan bahwa industri belum berjalan. Yang kelihatan bergerak hanya paper assest (saham, bond) tetapi physical masih terbelit krisis. Import US juga mainly consumer products, terutama cheap furnitures dan garment. Belum ada (masih sedikit)import raw material atau machinery yang menggerakkan industri disana. Jepang masih terbelit bubble property dimana harga sewa dan jual turun sudah lebih satu dekade tanpa bisa dicegah. Saya rasa ini patut kita waspadai, jangan sampai spiral deflation ini mulai bergerak tanpa bisa dicegah. Semoga Rgds, Yuta
Re: [ob] Deflation
Saya coba jawab. Mudah2an senior yang lebih expert bisa bantu... Dalam contect global, sekarang ini issue oversupply sudah bukan rahasia lagi. Volume perdagangan dan juga pastinya value sudah mengerut double digit. Harga bisa dibentuk drive oleh yang punya kepentingan, tetapi fundamental tetap tidak akan terkalahkan. Untuk antisipasi apa yg terjadi ini, butuh money injection supaya orang spending, industri bisa bergerak, pabrik mulai operasi supaya demand akan timbul. Jika demand ini tidak ada, maka deflasi sangat mungkin terjadi. Hampir semua negara sudah menurunkan suku bunga. Jadi dari monetary policy, kebijakan suku bunga rendah sudah maksimum. Sekarang bagaimana mengamati stimulus harus berjalan baik untuk boost spending. Jika US collapse, maka negara emerging juga akan terpengaruh. US masih central dari trading aktivity dan world market. Jika mereka stabil atau mendekati pemulihan (bottoming), maka risk appetitte akan timbul dan terjadi inflow untuk invest di high risk (stock) di emerging market. Tetapi jika terjadi sebaliknya, maka orang balik lagi ke safe haven, yaitu hard currency (USD Yen) serta gold. 2009/7/23 Ferry ferry.wachj...@gmail.com Kalau industry/ekonominya BRIC gimana? *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:28 PM *To:* Obrolan Bandar *Subject:* [ob] Deflation Kalau saya prediksi, sekarang ini issue balik ke mortgage problem di US dimana Commercial property baik harga maupun rental masih turun terus. Ini menandakan bahwa industri belum berjalan. Yang kelihatan bergerak hanya paper assest (saham, bond) tetapi physical masih terbelit krisis. Import US juga mainly consumer products, terutama cheap furnitures dan garment. Belum ada (masih sedikit)import raw material atau machinery yang menggerakkan industri disana. Jepang masih terbelit bubble property dimana harga sewa dan jual turun sudah lebih satu dekade tanpa bisa dicegah. Saya rasa ini patut kita waspadai, jangan sampai spiral deflation ini mulai bergerak tanpa bisa dicegah. Semoga Rgds, Yuta
Re: [ob] Deflation
Betul Pak Rei. Ini kontradiksi dengan teori ekonomi. Tetapi kenyataannya, default world currency masih USD. Jadi orang akan convert investasi mereka kedalam USD yg menyebabkan USD (value) akan naik against the other currency. Satu lagi, seperti yg dibilang EL, ketakutan akan deflasi akan membuat orang pegang cash. Cash disini tentunya USD dan again demand USD akan naik. Sebaliknya kalau inflasi, orang prefer commodities untuk hedging. Belum tentu terjadi. Tetapi ada baiknya kita cermati. Maaf kalau salah. -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:58:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Deflation *Tetapi jika terjadi sebaliknya, maka orang balik lagi ke safe haven, yaitu hard currency (USD Yen) serta gold.* *... * Padahal yg punya USD-nya sendiri sedang sakit ya pak Yuta 2009/7/23 Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Saya coba jawab. Mudah2an senior yang lebih expert bisa bantu... Dalam contect global, sekarang ini issue oversupply sudah bukan rahasia lagi. Volume perdagangan dan juga pastinya value sudah mengerut double digit. Harga bisa dibentuk drive oleh yang punya kepentingan, tetapi fundamental tetap tidak akan terkalahkan. Untuk antisipasi apa yg terjadi ini, butuh money injection supaya orang spending, industri bisa bergerak, pabrik mulai operasi supaya demand akan timbul. Jika demand ini tidak ada, maka deflasi sangat mungkin terjadi. Hampir semua negara sudah menurunkan suku bunga. Jadi dari monetary policy, kebijakan suku bunga rendah sudah maksimum. Sekarang bagaimana mengamati stimulus harus berjalan baik untuk boost spending. Jika US collapse, maka negara emerging juga akan terpengaruh. US masih central dari trading aktivity dan world market. Jika mereka stabil atau mendekati pemulihan (bottoming), maka risk appetitte akan timbul dan terjadi inflow untuk invest di high risk (stock) di emerging market. Tetapi jika terjadi sebaliknya, maka orang balik lagi ke safe haven, yaitu hard currency (USD Yen) serta gold. 2009/7/23 Ferry ferry.wachj...@gmail.com Kalau industry/ekonominya BRIC gimana? *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:28 PM *To:* Obrolan Bandar *Subject:* [ob] Deflation Kalau saya prediksi, sekarang ini issue balik ke mortgage problem di US dimana Commercial property baik harga maupun rental masih turun terus. Ini menandakan bahwa industri belum berjalan. Yang kelihatan bergerak hanya paper assest (saham, bond) tetapi physical masih terbelit krisis. Import US juga mainly consumer products, terutama cheap furnitures dan garment. Belum ada (masih sedikit)import raw material atau machinery yang menggerakkan industri disana. Jepang masih terbelit bubble property dimana harga sewa dan jual turun sudah lebih satu dekade tanpa bisa dicegah. Saya rasa ini patut kita waspadai, jangan sampai spiral deflation ini mulai bergerak tanpa bisa dicegah. Semoga Rgds, Yuta
Re: [ob] Re: Ilusi optis
Prof JT, BTU drop -4.5% (22:30) karena 2Q result turun 66% dibanding 1Q. Kalau tidak salah, harga spot coal di 2H biasanya lebih rendah dibanding 1H, unless long term contract, cmiiw. Jadi sentimen agak kurang bagus nih ke depan. Tapi tergantung bozz aja... -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Re: Ilusi optis Brother Boyz.., .., kalo ^DJUSCL nama exchange-nya apa sih ? ane lagi coba masukin new symbol nih di MS-realtime. Btw, ini chart DJ Coal.., lagi uji 200 EMA, moga-moga tembus dah.., biar target Jendral Art tercapai. hehe djcl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boyz Sent: 21 Juli 2009 22:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Ilusi optis --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Grafik saham menjadi garis lurus http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJUSCLt=1dl=onz=lq=lc=%5EDJUSMG,%5ED JUSBK,%5EDJI 'Objects in rear view mirror may appear closer than they are'... image001.png
Re: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW
Sold mostly at discounted price (deflation theory?) and some will be at bargain too perhaps later, if that is the case. Thanks for warning us. By the way, when is and at what level is re-entry? Oct, Nov? 1600? 1500 or even lower? Please advise your valuable view. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:55:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW *2nd call, 7 days left, so little time, so many monkeys. SELL NOW.**(yes, I want discount..lolz) ** * *Elaine** * On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *I don't like repeating myself and I guess you all understand my message. You know, if I can control the market, I want a bull rally forever, right? But you know it's impossible. I cannot stay persistent when fundamentals change. I officially state my resignation as a bull messenger. There, should be clear enough. [?] Don't fear, coz JT is here. You can depend on him. He can call me anything he wants. If you don't agree with me, then you are free not to follow. Look, I don't want to argue with anyone, ok? my portfolios are my business, not yours. I have my own judgment. Elaine* * * On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: No.. no.. no.., I don't beat the market, nobody can, I only follow it. :) EL, seriously.., do you really think market will down that deep?? -1000 ?? If you are so sure, can you said it loud and clear to SELL NOW ? Just like when you said to BUY NOW the other day. I am not so sure, so I better not give any opinion lah..., yes DOW will continue to go down, no reversal signal yet, BUT IHSG not very clear right now..., masih 50:50 (in term of deep correction), let see next week lah. Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:24:33 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW *I know you can always beat the market. Good for you. But to me, I know my limitation, that's why I pulled myself out. Elaine** * On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:35 PM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, why me? No matter bullish or bearish, I will always be your nightmare..., hehe... And I am not English Man, I don't drink Tea, so I guess we can't sit together, hehehe.. Just joke EL.. Yes, most probable the DOW will go down , tapi not much lah, not lower than prev low, IHSG still on track, tapi sangat mungkin akan terseret-teseret juga, tapi ngga -1000 lah, unless something really-really big happen..., mungkin malah naik dulu, baru jatuh di 2200'an... So what lah We kind of get used to it..., orang betawi bilang, udh biase hehe Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:48:10 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW *More than enough. Check the dates. If you guys join forces together (JT, Dean, Tasrul, Embah, Oentoeng, Artomoro, Fifi, Hans, Jack Cowk, Rei, hepisaham, basically everyone excld. me), IDX may continue its rally. I cannot control them (aka the 'Market'). Coba panggil semua bandars, bozzes, Market Makers in OB, minta untuk rally again. Can? Show me how powerful you guys are. 'Fight for your country. Defend the national treasure. Protect them from foreign invasion'. You want freedom, right? It's about time that you stand on your own. -OR- You may want to sit next to me, drink a cup of tea and watch the world crumbles. [?] Hey don't yell at me, the US is responsible for this mess. Elaine** * On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Ferry ferry.wachj...@gmail.comwrote: How much do you get in percent?? *From:*obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Elaine Sui *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2009 9:23 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW *Dear Investors,* *I'm realizing my investment profit. Don't be scared nor panic. I may be back in Q4, but right now I had to move some to other country. I hope my action doesn't make any significant impact to IDX, like in 2008.* *Ahh.. ada artomoro friends as standby buyers, how lovely. Please, make IDX green everyday please... * *You ask for a reason? Well, I want my profit. It's nothing special, just doing what I have to do.* *Elaine* On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2008* BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, LET ME WARN ALL ANALYSTS, TRADERS AND INVESTORS IN THIS GROUP *UPGRADE *YOUR *COMMODITY ENERGY STOCKS* 12M TARGET AT LEAST 500% FROM TODAY'S POSITION MOST OF YOU MADE MISTAKES EARLIER THIS YEAR, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE TODAY STOP TRADING *INVEST* TO ALL
Re: [ob] Maroit Hotel di Bom (lagi?) - belum tentu BOM
Saya barusan satu lift sama bule sekeluarga orang Amerika. Dia bawa anak dan istri ke kantor. Katanya benar bom dan meledak dari dalam hotel, kedua hotel. Mariott dan Ritz. Mereka bilang siap2 mau pulang. Semua pucat. Kenapa ini harus terjadi lagi? Apa belum cukup penderitaan kita? Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:22:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Maroit Hotel di Bom (lagi?) - belum tentu BOM Pak Halim!!! Ingat cerita pak Halim ke saya waktu itu? 2009/7/17 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Yoi, belum tentu BOM ... beritanya ada ledakan, sumber ledakan blum diketahui ... wew bikin panik aja... busyett maksa nih minta mau minta barang murah !! gak dapet nunggu, pake bom dah ... hehe Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Sementara Kata saksi by phone di metro TV, karena GENSET yang meledak. Belum ada konfirmasi BOM. Kalo ada bomb, ingat BOW -Original Message- From: Murni srmu...@... Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:04:05 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Maroit Hotel di Bom (lagi?) Betul Pak Lokasinya di Hotel Ritz Carlton di Mega Kuningan dan Hotel JW Marriot Kuningan salam, --- On Fri, 17/7/09, Indra Tj. i...@... wrote: From: Indra Tj. i...@... Subject: [ob] Maroit Hotel di Bom (lagi?) To: Obrolan Bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 1:53 AM Barusan dapat kabar kalau ada bom meledak di Marriot Hotel, ada yang bisa kasih confirmasi? Thanks
Re: [ob] Trading Diary: Markets Warn Of Correction
Just want to add some. Lately many negative comments citing that recovery is still far away: Dr Doom Roubini: I see more yellow weeds than green shoots. There is a risk that we will cover W-shaped recovery. Said by him that stock market will have significant correction. Some analyst said that the EEM is too expensive and FM will pull out their money back. Some said that current stimulus package is not enough and bet that the economic will need stimulus part II. Any comment? -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:19:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Trading Diary: Markets Warn Of Correction *Now this is what I call provocating!! [?] lolz. Thank God no one were calling you a hermaphrodite or threatening to kill you, James. OB has been so evil to me lately. Sigh.. [?]** * *KALIAN SEMUA JAHAT SAMA ELAINE. AWASS YA. [?] ** * *Elaine** * On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:44 PM, James Arifin james.ari...@gmail.comwrote: Hati2 DOW pengen jalan2 ke 6500, lihat tulisan berikut: Markets Warn Of Correction *By Colin Twiggs July 13, 3:00 a.m. ET (5:00 p.m. AET)* These extracts from my trading diary are for educational purposes and should not be interpreted as investment or trading advice. Full terms and conditions can be found at Terms of Usehttp://www.incrediblecharts.com/legal_vizhon/terms_of_use.htm. USA #122734a08c1a3219_1227346065bd1b90_usa The June 30 quarter-end has passed and, with reduced support from investment fund managers, most major markets are signaling a correction — likely to test the lows of March 2009. Dow Jones Industrial Average #122734a08c1a3219_1227346065bd1b90_dow_jones-industrial-average The Dow completed a head and shoulders reversal and is now consolidating in a bearish narrow band below resistance at 8200. Expect a down-swing to test primary support at 6500. Twiggs Money Flow (21-Day) bearish divergence confirms selling pressure. [image: Dow Jones Industrial Average] 338.gif33A.gif320.gif
Re: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW
EL, You will realize some only, right? Say 50% from total. Or, all of them? Please give us clue... Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: Ferry ferry.wachj...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:37:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW How much do you get in percent?? From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:23 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW Dear Investors, I'm realizing my investment profit. Don't be scared nor panic. I may be back in Q4, but right now I had to move some to other country. I hope my action doesn't make any significant impact to IDX, like in 2008. Ahh.. ada artomoro friends as standby buyers, how lovely. Please, make IDX green everyday please... You ask for a reason? Well, I want my profit. It's nothing special, just doing what I have to do. Elaine On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2008 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, LET ME WARN ALL ANALYSTS, TRADERS AND INVESTORS IN THIS GROUP UPGRADE YOUR COMMODITY ENERGY STOCKS 12M TARGET AT LEAST 500% FROM TODAY'S POSITION MOST OF YOU MADE MISTAKES EARLIER THIS YEAR, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE TODAY STOP TRADING INVEST TO ALL BEARISH MESSENGERS,. IT'S PAYBACK TIME ELAINE SUI ps: for reference, this was my downgrade call (April 8th, 08), when commodities hit all time highs: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/74267 that followed my subtle warning for IDX crash (Dec 29th, 07), just couple days before it hit highest, and never came back: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/52989 I'm not always right, but most of the time I get what I want. lol. image001.gif
[ob] Kenapa harga Metal turun?
Ada yg tahu nggak, tgl 30 Jun lalu China gagal deal dengan major suppliers Iron Ore karena China minta harga turun 45% (kalau tidak salah) dari contract tahun lalu. Supplier menolak dan deal gagal. Sekarang ini kabarnya China sedang mencari harga baru untuk Ore di open market, tapi rata2 tidak mau diskon segede. Sedangkan harga coal dibiarkan floating sesuai market rate. Berita sebelumnya dibilang China sedang banyak inventory, makanya harga metal turun karena supy demand. Padahal, yg lebih pengaruh adalah ketidakpastian China untuk beli metal commodity. Mungkin hal ini erat hubungan kenapa trio macan turun banyak dibandingkan coal. Ada yg bisa kasih komen soal berita diatas?
Re: [ob] 1 putaran?
Amin, prof. Terbukti siapa yang mampu akan dipilih rakyat. -Original Message- From: JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:02:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? Versi Quick Count Trans TV sdh declare No 2 Menang..., tampaknya hasil Metro dan TV One juga In Line..., so bbrp indikator agree with each other..., meskipun masih butuh konfirmasi, tapi tampaknya sdh cukup solid. Mdh2an aman-aman aja, amin. Sent From BullBerry® “TA is not 100% Fool Proof, Never Trade Without Stop Order” -Original Message- From: h...@bumianyar.net Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:48:15 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? Udah break out nih... Nunggu close aja diatas. Biar 1 putaran. Kan lebih cepat lebih baik untuk wong cilik... Jadi lanjutkan up trend... Thx Hans Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: kokol...@yahoo.co.id Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:35:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? Wakakakakakakak...volume nya sangat mendukung prof. Lanjutkan Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Bakrie Group -Original Message- From: JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:27:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? We got strong, very strong signal about it 'Intraday-nya' CAKEP !! :) Smoga. Sent From BullBerry® “TA is not 100% Fool Proof, Never Trade Without Stop Order” -Original Message- From: cakdjo1...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:04:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] 1 putaran? Para OB'ers Apakah sudah ada tanda2 1 putaran? Bagaimana rencana besok? Apakah hijau royo2? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] 1 putaran?
Mudah2an. 3 macan Asia, cuma Indonesia yang masih ada political uncertainty. Sekarang dengan SBY hampir dipastikan menjadi Presiden kembali, ketiganya sudah siap untuk berkontribusi untuk boost spending, ini yg dinantikan oleh world market. indikasi decoupling antara Asia dengan US/EUR, mudah2an akan kelihatan nyata. China sudah break the highest this year. Indonesia menyusul... -Original Message- From: boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:53:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? Yoi.. Makanya saya ada sedikit feeling World market rebound on re-new optimism cause by Indonesia election. Kira-kira begitu feeling saya terhadap juga cnbc/bloomberg besok pagi Ha ha Lucky berry -Original Message- From: Peter Alimin milis...@live.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:50:10 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] 1 putaran? Tapi kok aneh ya.. Shanghai SEC tadi pagi sampe -75an, siang2 hasil quick count keluar, tiba2 udah + ditutup -8 doang.. HSI juga.. ?? To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com From: eddyt...@yahoo.co.id Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:44:36 + Subject: Re: [ob] 1 putaran? Tanya, apakah hari kamis ada kemungkinan SELL on NEWS !!! Kan sebelumnya banyak yg memprediksi kalu No 2 pasti menang. Crude Oil turun ke 62, CPO dibawah M$2000, DJuscl:IND =185,16 Dow lagi meriang. Eforia pilpres bikin index naik apa tdk riskan untuk investasi bagi investor baru. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JTâ„¢ jsxtrader@ wrote: We got strong, very strong signal about it 'Intraday-nya' CAKEP !! :) Smoga. Sent From BullBerry®TA is not 100% Fool Proof, Never Trade Without Stop Order --- YES Cukup satu puteran... Sudah BREAK OUT Volume Chart dan semua indikator sudah mendukung TARIK HABIS sampai Penutupan BOSS.. _ See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx
Re: [ob] Re: IHSG -48 2027 Let#39;s DOEIT...
Kan Jenderal sudah disuruh Embah untuk kasih instruksi yang tegas dan jelas. Jadi contreng yang ditengah itu berarti yang no 2 (dua) ya Siap!!! Lanjutkan! -Original Message- From: artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:26:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Re: IHSG -48 2027 Let#39;s DOEIT... kata embah, yang KAKI nya merentang berarti nyont**g yang di TENGAH dong... DISCLAIMER ON --- Pada Sel, 7/7/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com menulis: Dari: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Topik: RE: [ob] Re: IHSG -48 2027 Let#39;s DOEIT... Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 7 Juli, 2009, 1:18 AM Ntar malem mudah-mudahan banyak yg bisa tidur nyenyak dan pada bisa ‘uptrend’ lagi..., hehehe -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of artomoro9 Sent: 06 Juli 2009 19:38 To: dean.earwicker@ gmail.com Cc: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: IHSG -48 2027 Let's DOEIT... Bukan hanya kaga bisa tidur or begadang boss, tapi ti ati kagak bisa ngac**g lg. ha ha ha. Dean Earwicker wrote: Pada bisa tidur nyenyak ga yah nanti malem yg belanja tadi... taruhan pasti pada begadang ntar malem.. heheh,.. Regards, DE Sikap Peduli Lingkungan? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! Answers. http://id.answers.yahoo.com
Re: [ob] Tentang Prediksi billy
Ah siapa bilang tidak bisa satu putaran??? Masyarakat sudah bosan melihat penampilan team sukses yang overacting dan suka mendramatisir suasana. Segera tutup drama ini dan kita balik ke dunia nyata untuk bekerja. Tidak bisa dipungkiri, Presiden yang sekarang masih yang terbaik. Proven, that's the reality -Original Message- From: Vernichtung gambler@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:01:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tentang Prediksi billy 1. Hyper? - deflation -- cos there is a recent build up of inventories and excess production capacity and low demand - as for SEX ... i dont know. 2. Unfavourable election outcome -- has been predicted cos there is a slim chance that any candidate can attain 50% vote 3. Mounting unemployment -- the US is currently standing at 9.5% with many states already reporting a 10+ % of unemployment 4. North Korea missile 'incident' -- not likely to happen cos NK can not sustain any attack without the backing from Russia and China It is very interesting that you said certain stock will reach 4xx and the index will reach an big boost UP while predicting a big drop in the market for 3rdQ 09, can it create a rally big and fast enough to catch up on the drop in 3rdQ on the 4thQ? And yes i would love to see a bear or several bears (the BIGGER the BETTER). 2009/7/4 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *Well, at the end I'll beat the crap out of everyone.. lolz.. **[?] No, really I want a bear. Wanna see my bear? **[?]. You'll see a bear in this form:* 1. *Hyperdeflation.** Everything will be (and have been) sold at a discount, clothes, phones, cars, electronics, sex,stocks, debts. Note that this has slight impact to energy such as coal, oil or palm oil.* 2. *Unfavored election result.** Ah, no comment on this one.* 3. *Mounting unemployment (US Eurozone).** No jobs means no tax, no health care, no insurance, no spending. Refer to #1. They will start to seek job in Asia and speak our language. [?]* 4. *North Korea missile 'incident'.** It will be very VERY provocative to the west. * *Long term (2012) is still bullish, IDX still holds as the best performing yet volatile market. Short term (3Q09), you'll feel that you're gonna throw up on you computer screen. Buy on weakness. I dunno what's gonna happen in the future, but better be prepared of anything, as any smart money would be. * * * Of course, as always you have the right *not* to follow my advice. It's your money, not mine, not my business. * * * * *Elaine* 338.gif343.gif1B2.gif
Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? DPT ditolak KPU : Lanjutkan....Tunjukkan Nasionalisme...
Nggak tahan ingin komentar. Bisa dapat kesan mereka yang sedang mempersoalkan ini cuma cari sensasi dan ada maksud terselubung bahwa: 1. Pemerintah Incumbent sengaja memanipulasi data DPT, semestinya ini domain KPU 2. Takut kalah, jadi misalkan benar kalah bisa mempertegas opini ke rakyat bahwa kekalahan tsb ilegal dan kalau menggugat nanti sudah ada preliminery conditions-nya 3. Numpang promosi, karena kampanya sudah dilarang 4. Whatever-lah, kenapa on last minute mempermasalahkan hal ini? Selama ini ngapain aja? Just them BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... Sorry, no offense at all, but that's not what we expect from the leaders Jika nanti terjadi sesuatu yang tidak terduga, pastinya akan membawa kemunduran yang signifikan dalam tatanan sosial, politik dan ekonomi. Believe me Cheers, -Original Message- From: ari alex ari arialex...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:00:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? DPT ditolak KPU : LanjutkanTunjukkan Nasionalisme... Jangan sekali2 berpkir menunda Pilpres, karena dampknya dasyaat. KPU sebagai otoritas memliki kewenangan melaksankaan Pilpres dengan sukses dan demokratis Mari kita dukung pelaksanaan Pilres sesuai Jadwal Negara RI teramat berharga . --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Ki Bango Tongtong kibangotongt...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ki Bango Tongtong kibangotongt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? DPT ditolak KPU : Lanjutkan To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 10:03 PM Makasih Siap ember... Sent from my BullBakrie® Power by BUMI From: Bear vs Bull Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:01:45 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? DPT ditolak KPU : Lanjutkan Wuahhh kejadian nih sepertinya.. ..hajar AR kiri dulu deh semuanya On 7/5/09, mail.lieferdian@ yahoo.com mail.lieferdian@ yahoo.com wrote: Bodoh sekali rasanya KPU bila data DPT diberikan ke Parpol. Tujuannya jelas sekali supaya lebih gampang followup peserta pemilu untuk memilih Partainya Regards, Eddie Lieferdian Hasan Sent from Gravitti Technology® Corporate Network -Original Message- From: Spiderman nadya...@yahoo. co.id Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:23:34 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? DPT ditolak KPU : Lanjutkan DPT ditolak KPU krn datanya tahun 2008 udah basi Pilpres tetap jalan sesuai jadwal (baca kompas) Sent from my StrawBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat BEJ -Original Message- From: Bear vs Bull rizqi.milist@ gmail.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:54:30 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? Waduuhh...IHSG beneran jadi nih koreksi 200 pts...1800 kah? On 7/5/09, Ferry ferry.wachjudi@ gmail.com wrote: Ini didukung oleh 2 kontestan juga (kalau gak salah lho), besok hajar kiri aja dech. J From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kidod25 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:32 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [ob] DPT bermasalah? Pilpres diundur? Wacana pilpres diundur karena DPT sptnya bisa terjadi? Lets see -- Sent from my mobile device - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [ob] GURITA BISNIS KALLA BROTHERS (Re: Kalau JK menang, ekonomi menghadapi bahaya
Indonesia sudah terlalu lama digerogoti sama pemimpin yang mementingkan bagaimana mengembangkan bisnis pribadi dan keluarga. Di negara manapun, tipe pemimpin yang seperti ini hanya terlihat manis diawal, selanjutnya akan lupa dan balik ke habitatnya, bahwa bisnis pribadi/keluarga adalah no 1 jika mempunyai kekuasaan (jadi pemimpin). Pilih pemimpin yang relatif bersih dari vested interest dan kepentingan keluarga yang TIDAK mempengaruhi dalam setiap pengambilan keputusan. Pencitraan ini penting buat modal awal ekonomi kita melangkah lebih maju lagi. -Original Message- From: golden.health golden.hea...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:53:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] GURITA BISNIS KALLA BROTHERS (Re: Kalau JK menang, ekonomi menghadapi bahaya -- Forwarded message -- From: wulan antasari wulanantas...@... Date: 2009/6/26 Subject: Gurita Bisnis Kalla Bersaudara To: wulanantas...@... Gurita Bisnis Kalla Bersaudara Resume: Kepentingan JK tidak dapat dilepaskan dari kepentingan ekspansi bisnis keluarga besarnya, karena Indonesia tidak punya peraturan yang melarang konflik kepentingan jabatan publik dengan kepentingan bisnis pribadi dan keluarga serta sahabatnya. Profil Usaha Ada empat kelompok perusahaan yang dikuasai oleh JK (kelompok Bukaka Hadji Kalla), iparnya, Aksa Mahmud yang Wakil Ketua MPR-RI (kelompok Bosowa), dan adiknya, Halim Kalla (kelompok Intim). Beberapa perusahaannya yang dikenal publik antara lain: Bhakti Centra Baru (Bukaka Agro; Bukaka Asia Investment Ptd; Bukaka Barelang Energy (BBE); Bukaka Building Construction; Bukaka Investindo; Bukaka Marga Utama (membangun dan mengelola Ciawi - Sukabumi toll road, Pasuruan - Probolinggo tol road); Bukaka Meat; Bukaka Teknik Utama (yang antara lain meliputi Bukaka Singtel (sudah dilego karena gagal memenuhi komitmen pemasangan telepon terhadap Telkom), Bumi Karsa, Duta Agro Sulawesi, Haji Kalla Trading Company, NV, Kalla Inti Karsa; Mal Ratu Indah, Makassar; Kalla Lines. Track Record: Pada krisis 1997/1998, Grup Bukaka Termasuk 20 debitur kakap yang mengemplang ke Bank-Bank BUMN yang mengakibatkan bank-bank plat merah kolaps. Sebagaimana debitor lainnya, Bukaka juga `memaksa' mendapatkan hair-cut dalam jumlah yang sangat fantastis. Sejak 2005, Bukaka dan Bosowa menjadi `beban' bagi Bank BUMN seperti Mandiri. Kredit macet mereka terbilang tinggi yang memaksa bank-bank plat merah baru ini menyisihkan pencadangan, dan termasuk merestrukturisasi utang-utang tersebut. Bukaka Teknik Utama tercatat menjadi pemegang saham mayoritas (35%) PT Trans-Jawa Paspro Jalan Tol. Yang memegang konsesi jalan tol Pasuruan-Probolinggo. Lantaran tak mampu memenuhi kewajiban berupa jaminan pelaksanaan, dana tanah, dan financial closed yang deadlinenya 30 Juni 2008. Karena wan prestasi, akhirnya konsesi itu dilego ke kelompok usaha bakrie. Bukaka tercatat di Bursa Efek Jakarta. Tapi, lantaran laporan keuangannya selalu disclaimer selama bertahun-tahun, akhir Bursa Efek Indonesia mendelistingnya dari pasar saham. (Pada saat kampanye pilpres 2009, Kalla dengan sinisnya bilang, Pasar modal adalah sarang neolib.). Profil Proyek: Intervensi dan Benturan Kepentingan Sejak menjadi wapres, Kalla bersaudara semakin kebanjiran order. Salah satunya adalah pembangunan PLTA. Di Sulawesi Selatan: Bukaka mendapat order pembangunan PLTA di Ussu di Kabupaten Luwu' Timur, berkapasitas 620 MW; sebuah PLTA senilai Rp 1,44 trilyun di Pinrang; sebuah PLTA kecil berkapasitas 1 MW di Desa Mappung, Tompobutu, di perbatasan Kabupaten Gowa dan Sinjai, sebuah PLTA berskala menengah berkapasitas 8 MW di Bantaeng, serta sebuah PLTA kecil di Salu Anoa di Mungkutana, Kabupaten Luwu' Utara. Saat ini, Bukaka sedang membangun PLTA dengan tiga turbin di Sungai Poso, Sulawesi Tengah, yang akan berkapasitas total 780 MW. Di Kolaka, Sulawesi Tenggara, Bukaka mendapat order pembangunan PLTA berkapasitas 25 MW. Selain ditengarai memainkan pengaruh kekuasaan untuk mendapatkan bisnis ini, pelaksanaannya pun kerap melanggar aturan. PLTA Poso, misalnya, mulai dibangun sebelum ada AMDAL yang memenuhi syarat. (Juga jaringan SUTET-nya ke Sulawesi Selatan Tenggara dibangun tanpa AMDAL). di Sumatera Utara, kelompok yang dipimpin Achmad Kalla, adik kandung Wakil Presiden mendapat order pembangunan PLTA di Pintu Pohan, atau PLTA Asahan III berkapasitas 200 MW serta PLTA Sibaho di Kabupaten Humbang Hasundutan. Untuk itu, Bukaka sudah melakukan pembebasan lahan, tapi proyeknya kemudian diambil alih oleh PLN. Selain itu, Bukaka juga terlibat dalam pembangunan pipa gas alam oleh PT Bukaka Barelang Energy senilai US$ 750 juta – setara dengan Rp 7,5 trilyun – yang akan terentang dari Pagar Dea, Sumatera Selatan, ke Batam; pembangunan pembangkit listrik tenaga gas (PLTG) senilai US$ 92 juta – atau Rp 920 milyar – di Pulau Sembilang, dekat Batam; pembangunan pembangkit listrik tenaga
Re: [ob] fed naikin rate?
Masih terlalu premature untuk naikin rate. Masih ada strategi selalin menaikkan rate. Kenaikan rate hanya akan memperburuk keadaan, terutama housing. Sudah bisa terbaca dengan komoditas dan euro yg naik. Disclaimer. -Original Message- From: Kidod25 kido...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:46:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] fed naikin rate? pada masa stagnan dgn artian rate tetap ga naik atau turun, apabila fed dinaikan atau turun akan memberikan respon siknifikan. lihat aja nanti malam dan apa yg terjadi besok pada IHSG --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ferry ferry.wachj...@... wrote: Memang kalau mereka naikin rate artinya apa sich? Terus.ekonomi mereka sudah recover belum ya? From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:16 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] fed naikin rate? (24/6) - Bank sentral AS diprediksi akan tetap mempertahankan kebijakan suku bunga rendah untuk meyakinkan investor bahwa suku bunga akan tetap rendah agar tak memicu inflasi. Pertemuan dua hari Fed diprediksi akan fokus pada harga konsumen. FOMC akan mengeluarkan pernyataannya pada sekitar jam 2:15 rabu waktu Washington. Thank You! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif ThomaS FredericK --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Kidod25 kido...@... wrote: From: Kidod25 kido...@... Subject: [ob] fed naikin rate? To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:06 AM http://www.dailyfx. http://www.dailyfx.com/charts/Chart.html com/charts/ Chart.html kalau dari atas maka fed bisa aja naikin rate agar usd naik dan uang masuk lagi ke us. tapi kalau us melemah akan inflasi dan menguntungkan buat ekspor. tapi bubble komo kemarin disebabkan greenspan ngejar pertumbuhan dengan buat rate rendah, ... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Watchout for traders and investors...
Dear Pak Tom, Apa Germany Manufacturing/Purchasing Index sudah direlease (market sudah buka)? Bagaimana hasilnya? Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: Tom DS tom.ds.st...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:23:11 To: obrolan-bandar yahoogroupsobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_tra...@yahoogroups.com; pasar_modal_indone...@yahoogroups.com; investium_sa...@yahoogroups.com; sa...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Watchout for traders and investors... *Watchout for traders and investors...* ** ** *- Germany Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index (PMI) will be released today, market consensus is 40.9 (last month 39.6).* *- Germany Purchasing Managers Index services will be released today, market consensus is 46.0 (last month 45.2).* *- US Existing Home Sales will be released today, market consensus is 4.8M (last month 4.68M).* *- US Housing Price Index will be released today, market consensus is -0.3% (last month -1.1%).* *- US Durable Goods Orders will be released tomorrow, market consensus is -0.9%.* *- US Fed interest rate will be released tomorrow, market consensus is to maintain 0.25%.* *- US Core Personal Consumption Expenditure and GDP will be released 25 June * *- BUMI extraordinary AGM will be held 26 June.* ** *If the Fed try to appreciate US$ by increasing current 0.25% rate, commodity sector will definitely plunge once again.* *Special for BUMI investor, do not sell below 1600 today...* *For new trader, if you are not as best as Pak Tasrul, or JT, you better take no action today. For long-term investor, this could be one good time to buy.* ** ** *T.o.m*
Re: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical
Mbah, Mencoba untuk ikut sumbang pendapat. Setuju bahwa BD sendiri lagi bingung market mau kemana. Kalau diturunkan, BD bisa hilang barang. Sebaliknya kalau dinaikkan, situasi EEM masih belum kondusif. Kalau melihat news, sekarang pendapat bullish dan bearish sudah mulai seimbang. Sedangkan tanda2 ekonomi sudah mulai membaik, menjadi kian nyata. Jadi, tergantung bagaimana posisi dari BD di masing2 saham akan menentukan arah IHSG kedepan. Saya tebak, BD lagi bermain 2 kaki, pasang kuda2 untuk siap antisipasi arah market. jika masih sedikit belanja, saham akan diturunkan. Sebaliknya jika sudah loaded banyak, saham tsb akan dijaga agar tidak turun banyak jika koreksi. Formasi V, menurut saya salah satu cara BD untuk test the water bagaimana reaksi market untuk memprediksi supply/demand dan yg penting untuk mengatur strategi ke depan. Singkatnya, menurut saya, setiap koreksi ke depan, merupakan buying opportunity. Rgds Yuta -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:49 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaysta...@... wrote: Mbah, Bukannya Mbah ada bilang kalo sesi 2 Jum'at kemarin index naik banyak berarti bandar beli... Bandar beli tapi belon banyak: - Kalo dia beli banyak , dia akan berusaha MENUTUPInya dengan menurunkan UNVR dan bukan menaikannya pada menit terakhir sebelum closing. Dan yg lebih penting adalah Formasi V daripada masalah BD udah beli atau belum karena pada Formasi V, trader umumnya engga punya barang dengan modal murah. Sehabis formasi V yg BERAT (mirip G-string): - Jika IHSG diangkat maka trader dan BD sama sama rebutan BUY. - Jika IHSG diturunin, BD bisa sell tanpa saingan karena trader sedikit yg punya barang dengan modal rendah. Jadi IHSG akan menjadi RINGAN dan LIAR... 2009/6/20 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Yudizz yudizz28@ wrote: Mbah, newbie mau tanya. Kejadian 2 hari terakhir, yang bisa kita sebut sebagai fase FORCED CUT LOSS, apakah Embah mendeteksi BD melakukan re-akumulasi? Atau mereka justru hanya nge-DUMP barang doang? - Hari Kamis jelas distribusi sambil maksa orang Cut Loss, tapi investor yg ikut distribusi juga ada karena Trigger jebolnya formasi Head and Shoulder. Ini tentunya membuat kepanikan dimana index turun dalam dalam waktu yg singkat. - Tapi kemungkinan BD dan Investor yg pasang ember pada Uptrend Support juga pasti ada, sehingga pada level 1940 rebound. - Pada hari Jumat, index digocek dengan HEBAT, artinya banyak trader yg TERLEMPAR dari kereta. Dan yg mendapat muntahannya tentu investor jangka panjang dan BD. Tapi BD saat menggocek kebawah tentu akan kehilangan barang lagi. - Saat IHSG rebound tentu BD akan beli tapi pasti tidak bisa banyak. Sifat index adalah elastis dan akan membal sehabis penurunan dalam. Jadi tanpa dibeli BD pun, otomatis index akan rebound jika BD tidak pasang MUKA di posisi offer. - Jadi kesimpulannya: BD belum beli banyak - Faktor lainnya: Karena trader banyak yg Cut Loss pada Formasi V maka IHSG akan menjadi Ringan dan Liar. IHSG akan mudah diangkat oleh BD tapi bisa juga digebug lagi karena BD belum banyak belanja. Jadi gerakan hari Senin akan susah ditebak tapi sepertinya akan mengikuti gerakan index regional Asia. Kalo logika investor awam, posisi dekat uptrend itu kan sebenarnya level yang baik untuk reload portofolio? Trims sebelumnya. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:38 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical IHSG: Marketwise Technical Terlampir analisa IHSG, uraiannya ada pada gambar: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig
Re: [ob] Re: MBAH Apakah BNBR action tadi = sabetan terakhir?
Make sense, supaya kelihatan turun dengan volume untuk triger panic selling, padahal diam2 smart money mulai belanja... -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:40:49 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: MBAH Apakah BNBR action tadi = sabetan terakhir? Buat nge-gemukin volume IHSG, jadinya di chart kelihatan turun dengan volume lumayan gede. Padahal 1/3 volume IHSG hari ini isinya BNBR. Maybe... Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: MBAH Apakah BNBR action tadi bisa diartikan sabetan terakhir? Skalanya terlalu kecil buat disebut sabetan terkahir. Kenaikan BNBR tadi lebih DIARAHKAN untuk mempengaruhi psikologi pemain... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Efek bumi?
Kalau ada yang punya akses/sources ke pusat informasi trading oil international, mungkin bisa dishare, jangan2 kenaikan oil sekarang ini bukan karena spekulasi, tetapi bisa jadi push up demand karena ekonomi sudah mulai bergerak sedangkan inventory masih belum mengimbangi karena banyak oil refinery yg mengurangi produksi sewaktu dulu oil usd 35-40. Jika benar demikian, bisa saja IHSG naik terus... Apalagi jika SBY menang 1 putaran... -Original Message- From: Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:12:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Efek bumi? SAYA inget beberapa minggu lalu, kalo ngga salah trigger oil naik pada saat itu yang pertama karena sunoco philips company kena kebakaran dan stop produksi di salah satu oil rignya... dan kedua alasannya karena serangan nigeria (CMIIW)... ada yang tau apakah ada news bahwa sunoco company itu sudah selesai masalh kebakarannya?? apakah itu yang akan jadi triggger oil turun kembali.. as we can see oil masih naik lagi malam ini. Thank You! ThomaS FredericK --- On Thu, 6/11/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Subject: Re: [ob] Efek bumi? To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:05 AM Dulu ketika IHSG turun, index sectoral mining malah naek terus akibat ulah BUMI... Apakah akan berulang ?. - Tergantung harga minyak naik sampe berapa.. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Andre Andre andre...@.. . wrote: Yg saya tau weightnya pernah sampai 5% k index GBU all From: artomoro9 artomo...@. .. To: Obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:46:42 PM Subject: [ob] Efek bumi? Ada yg pernah/bisa hitung efek bumi ke saham laen atau ke ihsg? Berbagi video sambil chatting dengan teman di Messenger. Sekarang bisa dengan Yahoo! Messenger baru. http://id.messenger .yahoo.com
[ob] Investigators warn bank stress tests not enough
Apa jadinya kalau stress test di US dinyatakan tidak valid oleh kongress dan harus diulang. Sepertinya ada tarik menarik kepentingan karena beberapa bank sudah dinyatakan OK hari ini untuk membayar TARP. Jika stress test benar harus diulang dan ini benar2 terjadi ??. Investigators warn bank stress tests not enough Congressionally appointed panel overseeing bailout warns that bank stress tests not enough Anne Flaherty, Associated Press Writer On Tuesday June 9, 2009, 11:29 am EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- A government test of whether 19 major banks could survive a further downturn in the economy may have relied on too rosy a scenario and should be repeated, independent investigators say. In a report released Tuesday, the Congressional Oversight Panel for the government's $700 billion financial rescue effort found that the Federal Reserve used a conservative and reasonable approach to assessing the health of the nation's biggest banks. But, the panel added, the Fed's worst-case scenario does not go far enough. For example, the stress tests conducted by the Fed were based on the 2009 unemployment rate average of 8.9 percent. Unemployment in May climbed to 9.4 percent. While no one should gainsay the potentially positive results of the tests, it would be equally unwise to think that those results reflect a diagnosis of all of the potential weaknesses or create a necessarily sufficient buffer against future reverses for the banking system, the panel wrote. Elizabeth Warren, the Harvard University law professor who heads the panel, told lawmakers on Tuesday that the Fed should release more details about how it conducted the tests. Without this information, it is not possible for anyone to replicate the tests to determine how robust they are or to vary the assumptions to see whether different projections might yield very different results, Warren told the Joint Economic Committee. Last month, the Fed found that 10 of the 19 banks needed additional capital. Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo are among the banks told to boost capital by a total of $75 billion to cover potential losses. Fed officials said Monday that plans submitted by those banks, if implemented, would be enough to help them survive a deeper recession. The Congressional Oversight Panel says that additional capital held by the banks should not be interpreted as an end to the financial crisis. The panel recommended that the Fed repeat stress testing so long as banks continue to hold large amounts of bad debt on their books. The panel also suggests that banks be required to run their own internal stress tests and share those results with federal regulators. Last fall, the Treasury Department created the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program to encourage banks to start lending again amid the darkest days of the financial crisis. Some of the banks that received the aid now want to start paying it back. On Tuesday, the Treasury Department announced that it had approved 10 banks to repay $68 billion. Congressional Republicans this week pressed the administration to use the money to pay down the national debt, instead of holding on to it for future potential bailouts. Republican Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas introduced legislation that calls for shutting down TARP payments by the end of the year. TARP is increasingly not being a vehicle for economic stability and taxpayer protection, but is evolving into a $700 billion revolving slush fund that the administration can use to advance economic, social and political agenda items far and apart from what TARP was ever designed to do, Hensarling told reporters.
Re: Bls: [ob] AYO... kalahkan ITALY..!
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Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry
Bisa tambahkan JCI:IND di mystocks untuk IHSG. Tetapi untuk IDR, saya juga belum ketemu. -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:05:16 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Aplikasi ini bagus banget. Sayang gak ada data IHSG ama USD-IDR. Saya udah complain ke mereka lewat e-mail yang tersedia. Payah deh, negara dengan economic growth No. 3 di dunia nggak dianggep. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Bli Indra gusin...@rocketmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:02:03 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry http://btest.bloomberg.com/blackberry/43/download.jad Silahkan download yah... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Q-Trivela quaresma.triv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:19:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Dear all, Link buat download App Bloomberg untuk BlackBerry apa yah? Kl ga salah wkt itu prof JT pernah menginformasikannya, bisa dishare lagi ? Thanks all..
Re: Bls: [ob] update ihsg
Bagaimana kalau terjadi scenario berikut di US ya? Current Conditions: 1. Yield bonds 30y 10y 2y, menandakan ekspektasi inflasi ke depan akan naik (tinggi) 2. Inflasi juga pasti naik jika harga komo (oil) terus naik Untuk meredam (future) inflation ini, salah satu jalan tradisional (yang ditakutkan) adalah The Fed akan menaikkan rate. Kalau scenario ini (misalkan) terjadi, apakah akan terjadi proses sbb: Fed rate naik - USD stronger - stock/komo melemah? Yield 10y, kalau tidak salah di 3.83%, sedangkan bunga Fed hanya 0.25%. Jadi ada deficit sekitar 3.6% lagi. Minta input dari rekan yang jago ekonomi, Pak DE, Pak Hendra dll. Rgds -Original Message- From: swan silo swan_gro...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 01:55:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [ob] update ihsg faktor fundamental ekonomi kyknya lbh pengaruh drpd teknikal makanya idx naik trus Dari: James Arifin james.ari...@gmail.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Jumat, 5 Juni, 2009 14:44:01 Topik: Re: [ob] update ihsg Nggak juga lah .. itu target maximal. Resist IHSG khan sudah kelihatan di 2100 so complete minor wavenya maka lanjutnya yah minor correction wave dan target 1600 masih reasonable apalagi kalau IHSG dipaksa ke 2200 maka FIBO 50% akan jauh di sekitar 1600an 2009/6/5 Frendy wildwildwest84@ gmail.com waduh om, udah cuci gudang dari bulan laluhehehehe. . tapi 1600 nya tinggal MIMPI kata NYE... gimana om JA ? - Original Message - From: James Arifin To: obrolan-bandar yahoogroups Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: [ob] update ihsg Nih update chart IHSG per hari kemarin. Hayo BOZZ paksain lagi market sudah saatnya koreksi mau dipaksa juga tetap kudu koreksi. IHSG tetap harus turun dulu dengan target maximal 1600 OBers siap2 CUCI GUDANG Cepat, Bebas Iklan, Kapasitas Tanpa Batas - Dengan Yahoo! Mail Anda bisa mendapatkan semuanya. http://id.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry
Bisa ditambahkan juga “MXEF:IND untuk emerging market dan VIX:IND“ untuk volatility index. Index2 penting yang lain, masih belum ketemu. Keep searching -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:26:58 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Done. Thanks a lot, Pak Yuta. Aplikasi ini tambah luar biasa aja. Tinggal tambah USD IDR, excellent dah. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Yuta yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:20:34 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Bisa tambahkan JCI:IND di mystocks untuk IHSG. Tetapi untuk IDR, saya juga belum ketemu. -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:05:16 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Aplikasi ini bagus banget. Sayang gak ada data IHSG ama USD-IDR. Saya udah complain ke mereka lewat e-mail yang tersedia. Payah deh, negara dengan economic growth No. 3 di dunia nggak dianggep. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Bli Indra gusin...@rocketmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:02:03 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry http://btest.bloomberg.com/blackberry/43/download.jad Silahkan download yah... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Q-Trivela quaresma.triv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:19:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Dear all, Link buat download App Bloomberg untuk BlackBerry apa yah? Kl ga salah wkt itu prof JT pernah menginformasikannya, bisa dishare lagi ? Thanks all..
Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry
Pastinya ada delay, tapi cukup efektif untuk monitor pergerakan saham jika anda investor. Ada chart intra day juga. Kalau real time harus join IPOT atau Poems. -Original Message- From: re...@trade funky81.tra...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 02:05:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Mau tanya Pak, utk JKSE yg ada di bloomberg app ini apa realtime? Thanks Sent from TradingBerry® sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Yuta yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:40:00 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Bisa ditambahkan juga “MXEF:IND untuk emerging market dan VIX:IND“ untuk volatility index. Index2 penting yang lain, masih belum ketemu. Keep searching -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:26:58 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Done. Thanks a lot, Pak Yuta. Aplikasi ini tambah luar biasa aja. Tinggal tambah USD IDR, excellent dah. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Yuta yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:20:34 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Bisa tambahkan JCI:IND di mystocks untuk IHSG. Tetapi untuk IDR, saya juga belum ketemu. -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:05:16 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Aplikasi ini bagus banget. Sayang gak ada data IHSG ama USD-IDR. Saya udah complain ke mereka lewat e-mail yang tersedia. Payah deh, negara dengan economic growth No. 3 di dunia nggak dianggep. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Bli Indra gusin...@rocketmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:02:03 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry http://btest.bloomberg.com/blackberry/43/download.jad Silahkan download yah... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Q-Trivela quaresma.triv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:19:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Tanya Link Bloomberg BlackBerry Dear all, Link buat download App Bloomberg untuk BlackBerry apa yah? Kl ga salah wkt itu prof JT pernah menginformasikannya, bisa dishare lagi ? Thanks all..
Re: [ob] Dana raksasa dari mana?
Ikut nyumbang opini. Crash saham Emerging market boleh dibilang gongnya sewaktu Lehman bangkrut, karena banyak porto Lehman di negara berkembang terutama komoditas harus pulang kandang. Ini diikuti oleh big FM lainnya, dan mereka belikan USD, Yen dan gold. Sekarang likuiditas sudah tidak ketat dan dengan melemahnya USD, dana yg diparkir ini tentu harus mencari ranah baru untuk mendapatkan imbal hasil yg lebih bagus. Dana2 tsb mulai belikan real komoditas, options dan juga berangsur masuk ke emerging market yang sahamnya overweight ke komo, seperti Indonesia. Pendapat saya, sepanjang tidak terjadi sesuatu yang mengkhawatirkan di negara asal (amati pergerakan Dow Jones, USD index, oil) dan dinegara emerging (polhukam), dana2 tsb belum balik badan (long) di emerging market. Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: Ricky Wakiman ricky.waki...@yahoo.co.id Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:42:46 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Dana raksasa dari mana? Indeks saham katanya adalah leading indikator dari konjungtur ekonomi. Indeks merespons tanda-tanda awal kejatuhan atau kebangkitan ekonomi, resesi atau recovery. Saat ini indeks merespons tanda-tanda recovery setelah resesi yang konon paling parah sejak depresi besar tahun 30-an. Makanya indeks naik terus. Orang pada cepet-cepetan beli saham karena takut kalo ekonomi bener-bener pulih, harga saham sudah ada di langit. Tapi responsnya kok kayaknya agak kebablasan. Menurut saya, ini lebih karena ekses likuiditas. Tiba-tiba ada dana raksasa yang muncul begitu saja kayak tsunami dan membeli apa saja: saham, SUN, komoditi dll. Anehnya, dana ratusan trilyun ini gak jelas pada ke mana waktu credit crunch kemarin, yang mengakibatkan bank-bank raksasa bergelimpangan kekurangan likuiditas. Sekali lagi, gak habis pikir, beberapa bulan lalu dana ini diparkir di mana? Bawah bantal? Mohon pencerahannya. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ?
Mbah, Hampir semua indikator yang support IHSG berbalik drastis dan cukup mengkhawatirkan (jam 20:51) BRIC - index Brazil -3.5%!! Rusia -4.5%!!! Emerging market index -0.83% Oil -2.3% VIX +3.3%!! Euro melemah Metal -1% s/d -2% Tanda apa ini? Rgds Yuta On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Embah jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: 20:55 Eropa udah merah tebel... kacao dah. - Original Message - *From:* jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:17 AM *Subject:* [ob] 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ? 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ? Posting embah kok engga mau muncul ? __ NOD32 3990 (20090406) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: SCENARIO BESAR.........Re: [ob] Deviden Info
Mbah, newbie ikut sumbang analisa. Sepertinya posting Ratu Sima harus ikut dipertimbangkan: Target RS pasti BG: - ride to the fullest and slam it down: pola bearish wedge, dan kalau support jebol, bisa balik ke inverted HnS (1600an) atau double bottom (1100an) - from earth back to where it belong: bisa berarti saham bangkai akan balik ke asal, bisa juga berarti BUMI akan di smack down - timing lihat DJ, kalau ada pergerakan signifikan (baik naik atau turun). Sekarang masih pending karena terlalu banyak berita positif: oil, euro, komoditas hampir semua new high di tahun ini - dulu waktu RS posting di bulan Mar kalau tidak salah judulnya lembu sengkilan, dia bilang group Astra akan ditarik sementara BUMI akan ngangiring penganten. Ternyata memang kenyataan...jadi setuju ada korelasi positif (convergence) antara group Astra dengan BUMI Jadi, singkatnya, bulan Juni ini akan ada sesuatu yg besar akan terjadi, sesuai dengan pikiran Mbah. Apakah Senin? Maybe... Tebakan saya untuk Senin, trader akan dibuat buntung. Maaf kalau analisa daydream dan too plain. Rgds, Yuta -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:47:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: SCENARIO BESAR.Re: [ob] Deviden Info Ngomongin IHSG buat hari Senin itu engga terlalu perlu karena HAJATAN hari Senin itu adalah group Bakrie, kalo Bakrie naik otomatis IHSG naik, kalo Bakrie turun IHSG turun... IHSG itu cuman dimainkan untuk CONDITIONING menghadapi HAJATAN group Bakrie: - Liat aja kemarin. IHSG dinaekin ampe HIGH 1942 +40 point lalu diturunin ampe LOW 1903 +1. TANPA ADA BERITA APA APA, dan dibuat melawan ARUS index regional !!! IHSG cuman PELENGKAP PENYERTA, engga usah dianalisa !!! buang waktu doang. Tapi coba perhatikan SCORE individual stock sehabis BADAI INI: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/ZZIVCLOS.TXT Jadi TARGET sudah ditentukan yaitu group Bakrie, anda tinggal menebak: UNTUNG GEDE atau BUNTUNG... as simple as that... Tinggal pasang TAROHAN... as simple as that... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Matt Nowo inf...@... wrote: Newbie ndeso boleh ikut nebak mbah? Tebakan saya, senin besok: Business as usual alias NORMAL ajaa, dhi indeks bergerak plus minus 2%. Kenapa? Imho, tidak ada info/sentimen yg signifikan. Untuk individual saham, mungkin saja BUMI n TRUB bergerak TIDAK BIASA. Kenapa? Monggo para senior yg memberikan alasannya. Salam newbie ndeso Sent from my BearBerry® powered by ISAT TLKM -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 02:06:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: SCENARIO BESAR.Re: [ob] Deviden Info Edan, pak Halim udah kirim 13 posting padahal baru jam 8:45 pagi Makin banyak yg aneh aja Embah sebagai pemerhati perilaku didalam context bursa,lebih merhatikan jumlah posting pak Hmin daripada baca isinya, jadi jangan dianggap menyinggung yah pak Halim, ini memang bagian dari kerjaan embah. Teka teki BUMI dan ASII turun bersama masih embah pikirin. LQ45 dibabat padahal INDEX lagi mulai mau diajak main. DJI naik lagi, SENIN naga naganya bakal ada SCENARIO BESAR !!! Pak Halim, kalo kemarin trader banyak yg buntung kena badai LQ45. Kalo Senin tebak yg mana: 1. Trader untung GEDE. 2. Trader dibuntungin. Kita punya Sabtu dan Minggu untuk memecahkan TEKA TEKIN INI... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Cougar Boy boysngirls@ wrote: Saya sih berharap sangat saya salah :DMasih mau beli gold lagi kalau turun. cuman feeling gak enak aja :D Still can't shake off my bear mind. Perbankan adalah sektor paling gampang markup..apalagi aturan mark to market sudah dihapus sejak October 2008. 2009/5/30 iffan.liem@ Maaf Pak Hmin, Sy agak kurang setuju dgn pernyataan kalo krisis baru mulai di emerging market.. Hampir semua indikator ekonomi di indonesia malah menunjukkan hal2 yg positif. Rp menguat, Cadangan Devisa menguat, inflasi terkendali, GDP tumbuh, suku bunga menurun, proyek infrastruktur mulai berjalan, indikator penjualan (kecuali automotive) sudah lebih baik dari periode sama tahun lalu..Buying power konsumen periode januari-Mei malah sy rasakan membaik bulan demi bulan..Ini juga terlihat dari pengucuran kredit dari perusahaan2 financing, dimana mereka mengatakan semakin membaik dan meningkat bulan ke bulan. Sy pribadi optimis di indonesia akan sangat kuat selama faktor politik terjaga dan pemilihan presiden berlangsung baik dan sesuai keinginan pasar dan rakyat. Bahkan byk perusahaan asing yg sdh siap2 menambah investasi di indonesia (termasuk perusahaan dimana sy bekerja) ketika pemilu ini selesai dgn aman dan baik. Dari perpajakan pun, skrg sdh jauh lebih baik, walau masih jauh dari sempurna, namun sumber pendapatan pemerintah melalui pajak akan tumbuh tinggi
[ob] Unemployment Probably Topped 9% in May: U.S. Economy Preview
*Mulai keluar berita jelek untuk minggu depan...* http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aSc829RcWzScrefer=home Unemployment Probably Topped 9% in May: U.S. Economy Preview By Shobhana Chandra May 31 (Bloomberg) -- *Unemployment in the U.S. probably surpassed 9 percent in May for the first time in more than 25 years*, underscoring forecasts that the economy will be slow to pull out of the worst recession in half a century, economists said before a report this week. The jobless rate http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=USURTOT%3AINDclimbed to 9.2 percent, *the highest level since September 1983*, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey ahead of the Labor Department’s *June 5* report. Other data may show manufacturing and service industries shrank at a slower pace and consumer spending dropped. “The economy is decaying at a slower rate and that is the best you can say,” said Steven Ricchiutohttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Steven+Ricchiutosite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1, chief economist at Mizuho Securities USA Inc. in New York. “I can’t tell you we are out of the woods yet.” *Economists forecast the jobless rate will head to almost 10 percent by the end of the year*, depriving Americans of the income needed to propel spending and stoke a vigorous recovery. Access to credit will likely also be limited as record defaults and foreclosures make banks reluctant to lend. The unemployment rate is predicted to rise from 8.9 percent in April. Payrolls probably fell by 521,000 this month after declining by 539,000 in April, the survey also showed. Job losses peaked at 741,000 in January, the most since 1949. The economy has lost 5.7 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007, the most of any economic slump in the post-World War II era. Auto Slump Restructuring at automakers including General Motors Corp.http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=GM%3AUSand Chrysler LLC may generate more job losses. AutoNation Inc. http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=AN%3AUS, the largest U.S. new-vehicle retailer, has said it will close seven showrooms in line with bankrupt Chrysler’s termination of 789 dealerships. Economists project the Labor report will show manufacturershttp://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=USMMMNCH%3AINDcut payrolls by 150,000 in May, after slashing them by 149,000 in April. Workforce reductions aren’t limited to the auto industry. American Express Co. http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=AXP%3AUS, the largest U.S. credit-card company by purchases, said on May 18 it will cut 4,000 positions as cardholders squeezed by rising unemployment fail to pay debts. “We continue to be very cautious about the economic outlook,” Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Chenault said in a statement. Consumer spending has taken a turn for the worse after improving in the first quarter. Purchases fell in April for a second month, and incomes declined for the sixth time in the last seven months, economists project a Commerce Department report tomorrow will show. Short-Lived Gain Household purchases rose at a 1.5 percent annual rate from January to March, less than previously estimated, after plunging at a 4.3 percent annual rate in the last three months of 2008, revised figures from Commerce last week showed. Gross domestic product shrank at a 5.7 percent pace in the first quarter, less than the government previously estimated in April, the figures also showed. Following the 6.3 percent pace of decline in the last three months of 2008, the drop capped the worst six-month performance in five decades. *Also tomorrow, a report may show manufacturing shrank this month at a slower pace*. The Institute for Supply Management’s factory indexhttp://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=NAPMPMI%3AINDrose to 42 in May from 40.1 in April, according to the Bloomberg survey median. Readings below 50 signal contraction. Underscoring the improvement at manufacturers, orders placed with factories probably rose 0.8 percent in April, the second gain this year, economists predicted ahead of a Commerce Department report June 3. Service Industries An ISM report the same day may show service industries, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, are also stabilizing. The Tempe, Arizona-based group’s gauge http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=NAPMNMI%3AIND of non- manufacturing businesses probably increased to 45 in May from 43.7 the prior month, according to the Bloomberg survey. Stocks have surged and Treasuries have dropped amid reports showing the worst of the downturn may have passed. The Standard Poor’s 500 Index has gained 36 percent since March 9, when it hit the lowest level in more than 12 years, closing at 919.14 on May 29. Yields on the benchmark 10-year note climbed to 3.74 percent last week from 2.86 percent during that period. In other reports this week, the National
Re: [ob] SOFT DISTRIBUTION.....Re: To Embah...masih outflow ??
Mbah, Apakah scenario distribusi ini bisa dihubung2kan dengan beberapa peristiwa berikut: 1. Due short time hedge fund 3 bulan (sekitar awal Juni) 2. Bangkrutnya GM (nggak tahu kebetulan) 3. Jatuhnya harga treasury notes 4. Menunggu harga oil turun (menurut saya, harga oil naik bukan karena push by the demand, tapi spekulator lebih berperan karena banyak tanker yg mengapung di laut mengangkut ratusan juta barrel, ini yg ditrading) Mohon penjelasannya. -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] SOFT DISTRIBUTION.Re: To Embah...masih outflow ?? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Multikartu Network multikartu.netw...@... wrote: Mbah, Maaf masih newbie, bisa lebih jelas lagi nggak ? Sampe sekarang masih dipinggir lapangan, tapi kalo liat lainnya pada main di lapangan jadinya pengen main juga. Kalo mainnya nahan sebulan duabulan lepas,udah benar nggak caranya kalo waktunya sekarang ini ? Apa ini hari sudah dekat ? Thank you Mbah! Kalo anda yakin DJI bisa ke 9000, buy lagi... Kalo anda tidak yakin, cuman untuk trading doang... - Negative side: DJI ini bikin rumit karena masih dibawah pengaruh DOWNTREND CHANNEL, jadi potensi turun masih ADA, liat gambarnya di web embah. - Positive side: Saat ini lagi distribusi tapi barang BD masih banyak, jadi kalo DJI turun dalam, IHSG akan turun secara lambat atau turun naik volatile dengan trend turun. - Jika DJI ke 9000 maka IHSG bisa naik luar biasa karena portfolio BD masih banyak (distribusi belum significant). Jadi CTRITICAL ISSUEnya ada pada index Dowjones. Pada 29 Mei 2009 13:50, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@...menulis: The index is moving upward but if you look at the individual stock, you will find that MOST stock can not make a HIGHER HIGH !!! This is a sign of SOFT DISTRIBUTION... So, the long term investor sell their portfolio SLOWLY while the daily trader utilise the upward index movement for trading. So, you know what to do... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Cougar Boy boysngirls@ wrote: Mau tanya nih masih mau nunggu di tepi lapangan ?? Posisi saya bingung lihat market...range menipis banyak saham breakout gak jalan. Gak tahu yang lain bagaimana ?? Saya sendiri intraday trading hari ini dan kemarin dalam status RUGI yang coan cuman copet close-open investasi masih naik..tapi kecepatan naik melambat. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Deviden Info
Dear Pak Hmin, Kalau tidak keberatan sharing untuk kita semua bagaimana membagi porto investasi dan trading pada saat ini: 1. Berapa % untuk investasi dan trading? 2. Apakah komposisi diatas akan berubah setelah pemilu? Banyak yg masih trading dan mulai invest jika pemilu presiden selesai. Bagaimana tanggapannya? 3. Untuk invest, kalau tidak salah sektor konsumen dan salah satu coal ya? Boleh tahu kenapa overweight di sektor ini? 4. Metal dan cpo apa tidak masuk target invest? 5. Thanks Pak Rgds -Original Message- From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:34:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Deviden Info Jujur aja nih Saya tidak percaya dengan LK sektor perbankan Indonesia. Feeling saya too much markup. Kalau memang perbankan indonesia tidak ada krisis..kenapa perbankan Indonesia membagikan deviden lebih kecil dari tahun lalu ?? Anyway..saya pribadi sejak bulan lalu sudah downgrade perbankan dari investment ke trading only. Nah kalau ditanya krisis sudah lewat...nope.. untuk emerging market malah baru mulai. Still a long way to go... gold still the best investment at this time 2009/5/30 Hendra Santosa sa...@budgetmate.net menurut pak hmin tahun kemarin krisis ga pak? kok sekarang hujan dividen dimana-mana? berarti kelebihan duit dung cuma ga tahu mau buat apa dan mungkin takut buat investasi. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Cougar Boy boysngi...@... wrote: amin-amin... saham gak dikenal bisa bagi deviden juga ha.ha... 2009/5/29 Yudizz yudiz...@... Jumat, 29/05/2009 11:10 WIB *Ramayana bagikan dividen Rp31 per saham* oleh : Pudji Lestari JAKARTA (Bisnis.com): Rapat umum pemegang saham (RUPS) tahunan PT Ramayana Lestari Sentosa Tbk memutuskan untuk membagikan dividen sebesar Rp31 per saham bernilai total Rp218,98 miliar, yang setara dengan 50% laba bersih tahun lalu. Laba bersih tahun lalu perusahaan itu mencapai Rp429,7 miliar atau naik dari tahun sebelumnya yang Rp366,8 miliar. Kenaikan laba ini disebabkan oleh perolehan laba kotor perusahaan yang lebih tinggi dan efisiensi biaya dalam perolehan laba atas kurs mata uang asing. Laba kotor Ramayana, menurut siaran pers perusahaan itu, naik 15,1% menjadi Rp1,5 triliun dari sebelumnya Rp1,3 triliun pada 2007. Marjin laba kotor Ramayana tumbuh 27,6% berkat efisiensi usaha. Saat ini, RUPS tahunan perusahaan itu masih berlangsung di Gedung World Trade Center, Jl. Jend Sudirman, Jakarta. Per 31 Desember 2008 Ramayana membukukan penjualan Rp5,5 triliun atau naik dari tahun sebelumnya yang Rp4,8 triliun. Pertumbuhan penjualan ini didorong oleh pertumbuhan toko yang sama (same store growth) sebesar 6,5%. Pada tahun lalu Ramayana membuka enam toko baru yang mayoritas terletak di Sumatera dan menutup dua toko yang terletak di Bekasi dan Pasar Rawabening Jatinegara. Dengan penambahan dan penutupan toko itu, luas ruang ritel Ramayana menjadi 766.141 m2. Pada tahun ini Ramayana berencana membuka empat toko baru dengan tambahan luas ruang ritel 19.745 m2 atau 2,5% dari luas toko yang ada saat ini. Untuk menyikapi perlambatan pertumbuhan ekonomi pada tahun ini, manajemen menyatakan jumlah pembukaan toko akan lebih konservatif dengan lebih banyak mengevaluasi toko yang ada.(er) *bisnis.com* http://web.bisnis.com/openads/adclick.php?n=a8d3a91f
Re: [ob] Pengaruh KEBIJAKAN ekonomi dan index
Sebenarnya issue Neolib dipakai untuk menyerang Boediono, karena lawan politik melihat pasangan ini hampir tidak mempunyai titik kelemahan. Emosi grass root akan dipancing bahwa Neolib itu identik dengan pasar bebas dan penjajahan ekonomi oleh asing, walaupun kenyataannya tidak demikian. Di zaman borderless sekarang ini, membuka pasar bukan langkah yang keliru, yang penting regulator (pemerintah) tidak punya vested interest, baik pribadi, keluarga, group maupun partai. Lihat India, terbukti bahwa ekonomi mereka maju karena PM Singh seorang profesor yang jujur, well-educated dan open terhadap pengaruh asing. Tidak ada perusahaan US atau Jepang yang tidak invest di India. Dan investasi asing ini blend-in sangat baik dengan sumber tenaga dan konsumen yang luar biasa besar disana. Service/IT company yang listed di Fortune 500, hampir semuanya sudah punya kantor di India. Mereka memanfaatkan regulasi, low payer employee, untuk entry, database processing dll. India menjadi salah satu success story dan memberikan inspirasi bagi SBY untuk memilih Prof Boediono menjadi pendampingnya. Jadi, kalau cuma wording tapi tanpa definisi, visi/misi, timeframe maupun target yang jelas, ekonomi kerakyatan yang dipakai calon lain, hanya sebagai counter attack dari Neolib, dimana rakyat hanya mengira bahwa dengan berbicara atau memakai Ekonomi Kerakyatan, masa depan dan taraf hidup mereka (rakyat) akan lebih baik ke depannya. So ironic, kata Ratu Sima. -Original Message- From: Ruz7 indeksbei3...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:47:52 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Pengaruh KEBIJAKAN ekonomi dan index Dear All Apakah ada yg tahu arti dr Ekonomi Kerakyatan ? Siapa yg awal mula mencetuskan nya ? Coba di googling deh ! Ekonomi Kerakyatan itu dulu namanya ekonomi Pancasila, salah satu pencentusnya adalah Prof Mubyarto dan Prof Budiono..yup Budiono yg cawapres itu..jadi ekonomi kerakyatan yg diusung2 oleh MegaPro dan JKWin ya Idenya Pak Budiono dr awal 80an..Budiono itu sdh masuk Kabinet dr zaman Gus Dur dan Mega, jadi agak aneh kalau Beliau di sebut Neo Lib oleh Gus Dur dan Mega, kan beliau beliau yg Jd Bos nya waktu itu Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:25:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Pengaruh KEBIJAKAN ekonomi dan index --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ricky.waki...@... wrote: Kok nggak sebut-sebut ekonomi gaya JK, Mbah? Sudah yakin gak bakal kepilih? Kalo gaya JK diambil sebagai TENGAH, maka Gaya Budiono adalah sebelah KANANnya dan Gaya Megapro adalah sebelah KIRInya. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:49:56 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Pengaruh KEBIJAKAN ekonomi dan index Pengaruh KEBIJAKAN ekonomi dan index Index India naik 17% sehari ketika partai Congress yg condong pada OPEN/FREE MARKET ECONOMY menang pemilu pada tgl 18 Mei lalu. Bagaimana dengan Ekonomi gaya pak Budiono Vs Ekonomi Kerakyatan Megapro ?. Kita liat aja hasilnya bulan depan India's Stock Surge Shows Investors See Open Economy (Update2) By Cherian Thomas, Kartik Goyal and Shobhana Chandra May 19 (Bloomberg) -- India's record stock-market surge yesterday after the election triumph of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Congress Party is a sign of just how much investors want the next government to open Asia's third-biggest economy. Expectations are soaring as Singh, 76, starts his second term without the need for support from the communist allies who choked his market-opening efforts from 2004. Investors are betting the Oxford-trained economist will remove the last barriers to foreign investments in financial services and re- start asset sales to help trim a widening budget deficit. There's a real sense of urgency in taking this event and translating it into tangible results, said Nick Chamie, global head of emerging-markets research at RBC Capital Markets in Toronto. If we don't see some positive signs on an improving fiscal deficit in relatively short order, we could end up again with a weaker equity market, a weaker rupee and reduced confidence in the government's ability. The benchmark Sensitive Index, or Sensex, extended its rally today, rising 2.4 percent to 14627.37 at 2:10 p.m. local time after soaring 17 percent yesterday. The rupee climbed 0.9 percent against the dollar to 47.48 in Mumbai. Indian bonds fell, paring yesterday's gains, after the government said it will sell additional debt this month. The benchmark bond yield rose 9 basis points to 6.40 percent. Mukherjee, Nath Pranab Mukherjee, 73, may continue as India's finance minister in the incoming government, said a senior Congress party official today on
Re: [ob] Mega Kesulitan Jawab Pertanyaan Ekonomi
Kapasitas dan kapabilitas seorang pemimpin tidak hanya bisa dinilai dari tindak tanduk, ucapan maupun perbuatan, tetapi siapa saja yang berada dilingkaran dalam pemimpin tsb. Obama, walaupun masih muda tetapi dikelilingi oleh advisor legendaris (WB dll) dan the rising star TG dll. Di Indonesia, siapa yg tidak kenal sama Dino Patti Jalal, Andi/Rizal Malarangeng, Muchamad Lutfi, Chatib Basri dll. Dari mereka ini, kita bisa menilai, daya tarik apa yang membuat mereka berada di lingkaran SBY, salah satunya adalah kemampuan intelektual, kharisma dan kepemimpinannya. -Original Message- From: Odink junkc...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:42:56 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mega Kesulitan Jawab Pertanyaan Ekonomi cukup sulit ya pertanyaannya... sebentar saya gugel dulu... 2009/5/22 Sanjaya mysanjaya...@gmail.com: Ini sudah merupakan sinyal jelek kepemimpinan Megawati, untuk menjawab 3 buah pertanyaan saja selalu bilang : yang Pertama : Cukup sulit ya, karena saya belum jadi Presiden yang Kedua : Pertanyaannya cukup sulit, tapi saya coba jawab. yang Ketiga : Pertanyaannya susah-susah ya. Untung saya pernah jadi Presiden. Gimana kalau sudah jadi Presiden yang mesti ngurus negara sebesar Indonesia yang banyak masalah dan tantangan yang mesti diselesaikan? Jangan2 ntar semuanya diurus ama bawahannya saja, Bu Mega tinggal tanda tangan saja hmmm. Coba lihat jawaban yang pertama dan ketiga, yg pertama Mega bilang belum jadi Presiden aneh khan …. emangnya posisi Mega menggantikan Presiden Gus Dur yang lengser itu namanya apa ya kalau bukan sebagai Presiden …. Sementara jawaban yang ketiga : Untung saya pernah jadi Presiden.….. Bukannya ini kelihatan tidak konsistennya bu Mega. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] IHSG 1866: CUCI GUDANG dan tunggu di IHSG 1600
Kuningan. Belakang Pasar Festival. Ada yang serius mau main Futsal? -Original Message- From: Give Me Your Smile ...:\) kelmemi...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 00:06:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG 1866: CUCI GUDANG dan tunggu di IHSG 1600 wah boleh juga tuh pak planet futsal itu daerah mana pak ya ? kalo saya sih lebih suka main di grandfutsal pak daerah kuningan Biarkan Kereta Itu Lewat From: Yuta yuta.tizi...@gmail.com To: Obrolan Bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 14:01:53 Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG 1866: CUCI GUDANG dan tunggu di IHSG 1600 Pak DE Saya setiap Rabu rutin main futsal di Planet Futsal. Bagaimana kalau kita buat team Futsal member OB, nanti bisa tanding sama team Bandar atau All Star team (Embah, Elaine, Pak Oen, Ratu Sima dll)kidding Setuju banget. Kita seriusin yok, main hari Sabtu atau Minggu. From: Dean Earwicker Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:16:56 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG 1866: CUCI GUDANG dan tunggu di IHSG 1600 Udah dari tgl 11 nyaris kosong,.. kirain engga ada temennya.. eh sekarang banyak temen.. asik-asik... kita main futsal yuk. --beneran, bukan kode Regards, DE 2009/5/19 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id IHSG 1866: CUCI GUDANG dan tunggu di IHSG 1600
