Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here

2011-06-22 Thread Greg Stein
I think that the important part here is that others can review the work being done. When that work is encapsulated behind binary formats, then it makes it *very* difficult to perform that review. Sure, some artifacts in the repository *need* to be binary. Nobody will dispute that. But when the

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 22.06.2011 01:07, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Mathias Bauermathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: ... Thanks for looking and thanks for being brave enough to post your opinions ;-). So indeed nothing the LO developers have done has observably improved the overall performance. The

Re: So what about QA?

2011-06-22 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob, I think Maho Nakata has fully answered your question about QA. :) I mentioned OpenOffice.org Japanese Language Project's QA activity when I answered Dennis Hamilton's questions on this list.

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread RA Stehmann
Grzegorz Rajda schrieb: Good evening, All write this to other mailing-list as response to mail from Key Schenk. I wan't discus this with You and back to OOo development. What You think about that? Last changes in infrastructure (Oracle, LibreOffice etc.) needs from us new goals to create

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Community and Developer Wikis Now Available

2011-06-22 Thread Frank Peters
Hi Jean, So where does user documentation content go? The community wiki says that it would not be for core developer documentation. What does this term mean? I assume that all documentation content on the current OOo wiki including the Developer's Guide is to be placed on the community wiki?

Re: Licensing odma.h (was RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past)

2011-06-22 Thread Kai Sommerfeld
Hi, On 22.06.11 11:09, Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi Dennis, On 22.06.2011 04:20, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The ODMA Support showed up in the Novell editions of OpenOffice.org. I don't think the copyright notice in odma.h should be a problem. What is missing is any additional information about the

Re: Files generated by Visual Studio

2011-06-22 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi, On 21.06.2011 09:38, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 03:35, Mathias Bauermathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: On 21.06.2011 09:03, Greg Stein wrote: If these files are generated, then why even put them into source control? They can simply be generated on each developers' machine as

Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here

2011-06-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 22, 2011 5:28 AM, Frank Peters fpe.mli...@googlemail.com wrote: don't know where the answer is, other than learn text. I hope that with examining what our true outputs are, we can focus on those, and find a path that works for the community. What does that mean? What is a true

Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 04:34 -0400, Greg Stein wrote: Well... what are different ways for people to contribute, other than code? Let me throw out some: * work with users (forums, email, etc) * write documentation * issue tracker triage and management * outreach: marketing, meetups, etc

Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here

2011-06-22 Thread Frank Peters
don't know where the answer is, other than learn text. I hope that with examining what our true outputs are, we can focus on those, and find a path that works for the community. What does that mean? What is a true output and how do we differ from the community? Euh... just what I said: what

Re: Consequences of Working in Office Documents Here

2011-06-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:21, Frank Peters fpe.mli...@googlemail.com wrote: ... don't know where the answer is, other than learn text. I hope that with examining what our true outputs are, we can focus on those, and find a path that works for the community. What does that mean? What is a

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Yuri Dario
Hi all, I opt for dropping OS/2 support completely. please don't do this. The OS/2 version of OOo is currently at release 3.2, and plans are to update it to a more recent version. os2port08 cws has been created for this task. Unfortunately, other jobs are keeping me too busy :-( The file

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 22.06.2011 09:50, Yuri Dario wrote: Hi all, I opt for dropping OS/2 support completely. please don't do this. The OS/2 version of OOo is currently at release 3.2, and plans are to update it to a more recent version. os2port08 cws has been created for this task. Unfortunately, other jobs

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:30:16 +0200, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: On 22.06.2011 09:49, Pedro Giffuni wrote: ... Ispell is BSD licensed and has many dictionaries, but I have no Idea if it has all the required functionality. Alternatively we can just add a dependency to the GNU

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Martin Hollmichel
On 06/22/2011 01:38 PM, Yuri Dario wrote: Hi Mathias, That would be fine. It is not very urgent, as we won't build OOo on OS/2 soon. We can just leave that single file out. If you want to continue development of the port, you can add the missing file. the file is not missing from tree, it

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Yuri Dario wrote: Hi Mathias, That would be fine. It is not very urgent, as we won't build OOo on OS/2 soon. We can just leave that single file out. If you want to continue development of the port, you can add the missing file. the file is not missing from

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Mathias, Would it be possible to get the list of 3rd party modules and their current status up on the wiki? Discussions should remain on the list, I think. But if the module list is up on the wiki, along with status, then we can do some of the analysis in parallel.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Community and Developer Wikis Now Available

2011-06-22 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: The Developers wiki is for project planning and documentation. Permission to create content must be limited to the Podling PMC, OOo committers, Foundation Members, and those who have signed an ICLA (http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt).

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Ian, Any luck raising the trademark issue with Apache Branding? -Rob On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Thanks, Ian. I don't see anything in the Apache trademark policy [1] that talks about training certificates.  But it does say that use of the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Community and Developer Wikis Now Available

2011-06-22 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Donald Harbison wrote: Dave, I registered, but fear I included a typo in my Apache email address. It should be dpharbi...@apache.org Without a correct email you will have trouble with confluence in the future. If you forget your password the reset won't have

RE: Licensing odma.h (was RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past)

2011-06-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
OK, since there is apparently no dependency on odma.h, I am not going to do anything. When someone has a dependency, I'm available. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kai Sommerfeld [mailto:kai.sommerf...@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 02:16 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Thanks. I did not see that. No need to move the page. I'll just link to it from this project page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Dev-Plan Regards, -Rob On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Rob, I already had put

Re: Publishing changed websit at apache

2011-06-22 Thread cmar...@apache.org
Marcus , I was able to use the ssh method and guessing the OpenOffice part. Your howto page will be a big help. Thanks, Carl Sent from my Phone

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Community and Developer Wikis Now Available

2011-06-22 Thread Donald Harbison
Thanks! On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Donald, Sorry for the delay, a business meeting. I corrected your email in confluence. You are now part of the ooo-committers group and have edit access to OOODEV. Regards, Dave On Jun 22, 2011, at

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: (5) A header from GNU c library hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h Are we allowed to use it in the build? I looked this up and it appears to be part of an old version of GNU libiconv. XFree86 also has a copy under a liberal (MIT?)

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello Mattias; Can you (or any volunteer) please sort the list alphabetically? It appears we depend on two copies of openssl. Pedro.

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Grzegorz Rajda melloned...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening, All write this to other mailing-list as response to mail from Key Schenk. I wan't discus this with You and back to OOo development. What You think about that? Last changes in infrastructure (Oracle,

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Grzegorz Rajda melloned...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening, All write this to other mailing-list as response to mail from Key Schenk. I wan't discus this with You and back to OOo development. What You think about

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Grzegorz Rajda
Apologise me, I don't want accuse of something You or the PPMC community. I have very big respect for You and people in this group. Of course I won't help as I can at the moment. We can discuss parallel to migration process. Of course this need very much time and work. Any discuss need this too.

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Jomar Silva
I'm not sure if this is the right place to present that, and seeing that I'm still learning The Apache Way, I'll try :) I've published a few days ago at my blog an idea about what I believe we could aim as the architecture of Apache OOo. I believe that this could help us to organize the project,

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Jomar Silva wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right place to present that, and seeing that I'm still learning The Apache Way, I'll try :) I've published a few days ago at my blog an idea about what I believe we could aim as the architecture of Apache OOo. I

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Dave Fisher
You already are a contributor! You sent this email! Please join the Community Wiki - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home We have started to outline plans there. No ICLA required for that Wiki. Well, as someone who has been involved in the project for about 10 yrs

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Grzegorz Rajda melloned...@gmail.com wrote: snip 3 master groups is enough to create efficiently best office software. We can easy visual this as flow and apply on creating new structure. I think a flat project structure like that may be a good idea. But I

Re: Sending Wiki Notifications to Mailing Lists

2011-06-22 Thread Andy Brown
Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: I personally would prefer not to receive them. Please make sure they are easy to filter: some header like [Wiki digest] ..., at least. cheers, Pedro. Agreed. Andy

Re: Sending Wiki Notifications to Mailing Lists

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
I appreciate that. But I also suspect that with 1,000 change notifications per day, no oversight at all will occur. So given the scale of the anticipated wiki, how do we get the maximum actual oversight? -Rob On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed,