On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Personally, I'm in favor of a modest announcement to the ooo-dev list
after a new committer has been elected and have submitted the iCLA.
What do you think?
+1
Juergen
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
OK, I'll put a request in to Infrastructure. But first let's see if we have
a batch of accounts to create.
Do any other committers or PPMC members request an Apache Blog account?
please include me jsc and jsc at
Hi Pedro,
thanks for the investigation.
What you are proposing are exactly the changes which I have made locally
to integrate the new header file and to prepare a corresponding patch.
Additionally, I deleted everything in the header file which is not used
in our source code. Thus, only the
Please add me marcus to the editors list. If there is still a need for
more admins (e.g., to moderate comments) then please add me here, too.
Thanks
Marcus
Am 09/30/2011 02:24 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
A small number of us agreed to be editors for the blog. Now I wonder if that
is
Hi Pedro,
On 29.09.2011 18:29, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
Hi Oliver;
--- On Thu, 9/29/11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
...
Thanks for the input.
Adding the URL for the origin of the copyright and license
text is a good idea. I will add it and use it also to point
to the origin of ksc5601.h.
At the risk of starting a flame-war I am going to state that
top-posting is bad on publicly archived mailing lists. Can we please
stop doing it?
It is very difficult to understand what is going on in a mailing list,
especially the archives, if it is common practice to top-post rather
than reply
On 30 September 2011 03:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
It has been the practice, thus far, that all newly-invited committers are
invited to also be on the Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC). Some
Op 30-9-2011 10:46, Ross Gardler schreef:
At the risk of starting a flame-war I am going to state that
top-posting is bad on publicly archived mailing lists. Can we please
stop doing it?
It is very difficult to understand what is going on in a mailing list,
especially the archives, if it is
On 30 September 2011 10:45, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 30-9-2011 10:46, Ross Gardler schreef:
...
That was probably aimed at me.
Not at all, it was aimed at what I observe is a generally increasing trend.
Ross
Am 28.09.2011 um 01:00 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
Hi Chao
Ok, you have only the 10.6 and 10.7 SDK on board. This explain, why you can't
build OOo. We build OOo agentist the 10.4 SDK. Well, we should try to use a
newer SDK anyway, but releases should be done with a mashine with 10.4 SDK.
The assumption behind this recommendation seems to be that all
mail clients are the same and the list is read the same by
everyone. I already *manually* truncate lines to match the
line-width of the sender. I prefer text flow of paragraphing
among those whose clients and list archives handle
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
The assumption behind this recommendation seems to be that all
mail clients are the same and the list is read the same by
everyone.
Choosing to use inadequate tools is no excuse to be bad mannered.
bad may be
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 01:47
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Top posting is bad
At the risk of starting a flame-war I am going to state that
top-posting is bad on publicly archived mailing lists. Can we please
On 30 September 2011 13:18, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
bad may be unpleasant for you but how about looking at the
interoperability challenges and not encouraging belief that there
is a silver-bullet, one-size fits all fiat when the only thing
that works is civility.
The OpenOffice forum is back on the air. Thanks to whoever in Oracle worked
the miracle.
--
Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Am 30.09.11 12:49, schrieb Rolf Eder:
Am 28.09.2011 um 01:00 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
Hi Chao
Ok, you have only the 10.6 and 10.7 SDK on board. This explain, why you can't
build OOo. We build OOo agentist the 10.4 SDK. Well, we should try to use a
newer SDK anyway, but releases should be
Building against the 10.7 SDK will not succeed, as the MacOSX code at
least in vcl uses some APIs that have been removed completely in the
10.7 SDK. (They were deprecated already in 10.4... which shows the
state the Mac code is in.)
So either some Mac expert need to really do some hard work on
Hi Herbert,
Thank you for your efforts.
On 2011/09/30 22:08, Herbert Duerr wrote:
Please make sure to have the More Options - Regular Expressions checkbox
activated for testing.
I'm afraid the regexp replacement resulted in changes mostly for Japanese users, because there a lot of
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:15:52 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
snip
By my count we have 72 committers right now, almost all of them also
PPMC members. With the new IBMers coming on board, as well as
possibly forum admins/moderators/volunteers (at least according to one
draft
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:15:52 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
snip
By my count we have 72 committers right now, almost all of them also
PPMC members. With the new IBMers coming on board, as well as
possibly
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? I had assumed
this sort of lock-down would wait until graduation from the incubator once it
was clear what worked and what didn't.
S.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? I had
assumed this sort of lock-down would wait until graduation from the incubator
once it was clear what worked and what didn't.
Simon, I'm a PPMC
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? I had
assumed this sort of lock-down would wait until graduation from the
incubator once it was clear what
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? I had
assumed this sort of lock-down
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct,
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
At the risk of starting a flame-war I
am going to state that
top-posting is bad on publicly archived mailing lists. Can
we please
stop doing it?
This was discussed on the early postings in this list
and a mentor said
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps
On Sep 30, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Sep 30, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 15:58, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps
On 30 September 2011 15:15, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 30 September 2011 03:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
wrote:
It has
On Sep 30, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
At the risk of starting a flame-war I
am going to state that
top-posting is bad on publicly archived mailing lists. Can
we please
stop doing it?
This was
Hi;
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
Ok, I will reference the original URL [1] in the header
file.
Best regards, Oliver.
[1] http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/X11/lcUniConv/#dirlist
I don't like adding URLs to the headers as those can change
or disappear. Just
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 4:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...
I see no reason to stop offering PPMC membership with Committer status. If
the person chooses not to be on the PPMC that is fine.
It is not that I don't think
Everyone replies with what works naturally for them and assumes that my world
is the same.
So, is the idea that all of should live in the one true silo, so long as it is
not Microsoft.
I have tools I am happy and effective with, and then I'm insulted for it.
Why would I want to continue
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:35, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? I had
assumed this sort of lock-down would wait until graduation from the
incubator once it was clear what
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
The assumption behind this recommendation seems to be that all
mail clients are the same and the list is read the same by
everyone.
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
wrote:
...
I see no reason to stop offering PPMC membership with Committer status.
If the person
On Sep 30, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 4:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...
I see no reason to stop offering PPMC membership with Committer status. If
the person chooses not to
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
When the questions and answers are deep in the bottom
and get deeper and deeper then I tend to tune out and move on.
That is because 'bottom post' is not just adding stuff at the end...
it is adding stuff 'after'
the
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
Choosing to use inadequate tools is no excuse to be
bad mannered.
The interesting thing is that there may be people who don't
know they are using the wrong tools. If someone has not
On 30 September 2011 16:48, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Who says what the average size is? Who has measured it. Where are the
numbers?
Common practice is what I refer to. I don;t have numbers but take a
random dip into as many lists as you like on markmail which (at the
On 30 September 2011 16:48, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 4:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...
I see no reason to stop offering PPMC membership with Committer status. If
the
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:17:05 +0100
Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I have no more to say on the matter. People will continue to post in
the way that they prefer (or must as a result of their chosen
clients). Those who are undecided and unrestricted will hopefully make
a more
Who says there are wrong tools? Turning this into right and wrong is just
crazy.
There are different tools. There are some protocols involved that are mainly
invisible to us. The wonder that e-mail works at all is that it works well
enough despite the fact that no sender can know what the
On 30 September 2011 17:04, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
Choosing to use inadequate tools is no excuse to be
bad mannered.
The interesting thing is that there may be people
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
BTW, LO/TDF has a steering committee of what? 13 people total? Have
you recommending to them that they put their entire elected membership
into a flat leadership structure? Or is that wisdom, by your grace,
reserved for
On 30 Sep 2011, at 17:27, Ian Lynch wrote:
It's amazing how such small things can cause such controversy and angst.
It's a sign of culture clash, in my view, rather than an issue in itself.
There's probably a Godwin's-Law-type aphorism about it.
S.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
BTW, LO/TDF has a steering committee of what? 13 people total? Have
you recommending to them that they put their entire elected membership
into a
On 30 Sep 2011, at 18:28, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
BTW, LO/TDF has a steering committee of what? 13 people total? Have
you recommending to them that
May I observe that this thread should be about what is right for AOOo. What
others do and whether that is right or wrong is irrelevant here unless we
are using it to inform our decision. Lets not have yet another us and
them argument.
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 17:27, Ian Lynch wrote:
It's amazing how such small things can cause such controversy and angst.
It's a sign of culture clash, in my view, rather than an issue in itself.
There's probably a
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
May I observe that this thread should be about what is right for AOOo. What
others do and whether that is right or wrong is irrelevant here unless we
are using it to inform our decision. Lets not have yet another us
On 30 Sep 2011, at 18:47, Rob Weir wrote:
I agree let's not make it adversarial. But I would be interested to
know why Simon speaks up in favor of us have a congress-sized PMC,
I said nothing of the kind, please stop putting words in my mouth. I simply
asked why you felt the need for
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I agree let's not make it adversarial. But I would be interested to
know why Simon speaks up in favor of us have a congress-sized PMC, but
has not made a similar recommendation for TDF/LO.
Because there is no such thing as a
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 18:47, Rob Weir wrote:
I agree let's not make it adversarial. But I would be interested to
know why Simon speaks up in favor of us have a congress-sized PMC,
I said nothing of the kind, please stop
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
for removing category X excluded licenses from Apache
OpenOffice I replaced the formerly used LGPL licensed module
i18nregexp with the regular expression engine of module ICU
which is already widely use in OpenOffice.
The
I'm quite satisfied with myself that I said my piece and stood by to see what
discussion would unfold. I should have known it wouldn't have been so easy.
Still, I promise not to post more than once per day on this thread, with the
exception of responses to questions I have been asked directly.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 19:15, Rob Weir wrote:
We have never adopted a formal position of having everyone be a
committer and PPMC member. So if we did not change anything, we would
still not have such a policy. I'm not
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 19:15, Rob Weir wrote:
We have never adopted a formal position of having everyone be a
committer and PPMC member. So if we did not
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 7:15 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 18:47, Rob Weir wrote:
I agree let's not make it adversarial. But I would be
On 29.09.2011 09:56, Ian Lynch wrote:
On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
If everyone agreed that having a single project was best today, then
we would have a single project tomorrow.
Point is we have made little real effort to achieve any consensus on this.
We
On 28.09.2011 17:32, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
FWIW;
I don't like the patches because I can't really examine well
the code, besides this is something the VCS handles acceptably:
commit the original sourcecode and then apply the patches in a
different commit. If we start with up to date
Am 22.09.2011 10:35, schrieb Shao Zhi Zhao:
hi,
In the change of vcl340fixes: #i117804# differentiate between ENABLE_CAIRO
and ENABLE_CAIRO_CANVA…
in file of set_soenv.in
there are 4 new lines added
+ToFile( DISABLE_SAXON, @DISABLE_SAXON@, e );
+ToFile( DISABLE_HUNSPELL,
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.netwrote:
On 29.09.2011 09:56, Ian Lynch wrote:
On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
If everyone agreed that having a single project was best today, then
we would have a single project tomorrow.
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of committer Pedro Giffuni:
pfg @ apache.org.
The list of all current podling committers is at:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo
Being a committer enables easier contribution to the project since
there is no need to go via the
The Apache OOo PPMC announces the addition of initial committer
AN Hongyun: hyan @ apache.org.
The list of all current podling committers is at:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo.
Committers have a defined rôle in the workings of the Apache
Software Foundation:
Am 30.09.2011 21:36, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
I dunno why this is such an issue really, we are both open source projects.
Cooperating and working together doesnt really needs much, just commit to
both projects and move on. I mean, what are we looking for here, do you want
an explicit thank
On 30.09.2011 21:24, Mathias Bauer wrote:
On 28.09.2011 17:32, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
Another advantage of unpacking the tarballs: the patches will become
*real* patches that just contain changes of the original source code.
Often the patches nowadays contain additional files that we just
Rob and I put our heads together and have started announcing the addition of
new committers to the list of those authorized for the Apache OOo Podling,
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. That list has the
benefit of being automatically-created.
The announcement is being
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.netwrote:
Am 30.09.2011 21:36, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
I dunno why this is such an issue really, we are both open source
projects.
Cooperating and working together doesnt really needs much, just commit to
both projects
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 30, 2011 8:24 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
Looking for parts in each others posts that could be *interpreted*
negatively got more interest than praising the positive statements in
them. I have a very
On 09/30/2011 03:23 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote:
On 29.09.2011 01:40, Carl Marcum wrote:
On 09/28/2011 04:41 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote:
On 27.09.2011 04:36, Carl Marcum wrote:
As of Repo version 1175305 I can Build on Fedora 14 and 15 x86_64.
Thank you Ariel for helping me get the first one
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