FYI - might be helpful once somebody starts with IA2 for AOOo.
I guess integrating the CWSes should be quite easy for AOOo.
As Java Accessibility support is poor in most AT, the IA2 stuff should
be integrated immediately after the first AOOo release.
Some communication with AT vendors might
On 11 September 2011 23:19, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
With my mentor hat on I have no objection as long as it is clear that no
decisions about the project in general can be made on this list. All
decisions must be made here.
Hi Ross, just to clarify what you mean by
The ASF does not like umbrella projects. We used to have them, but
they lead to hierarchical structures that make oversight difficult and
confuse the decision making process.
OOo is such a large project it will almost certainly become an
umbrella project, of sorts. We are already seeing this with
On 8 September 2011 11:29, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
Proposal: That The Apache OpenOffice.org Podling recommends to Apache
Branding to provide permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo
for certificates, handbook and training materials for a system of
internationally
Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:16:39 +0100:
The Lazy Consensus period has now passed so there is PPMC agreement with the
proposal. I now need trademarks@ to take any vote necessary to complete the
process. (Mentors, if I have any of this wrong please let me know :-) )
You called
On 12 September 2011 11:24, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:16:39 +0100:
The Lazy Consensus period has now passed so there is PPMC agreement with
the
proposal. I now need trademarks@ to take any vote necessary to complete
the
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 September 2011 10:55, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
The ASF does not like umbrella projects. We used to have them, but
they lead to hierarchical structures that make oversight difficult and
confuse
On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote:
We need to manage this carefully. A Japanes language list to ensure
non-English speaking people are able to participate in the project is
fine. A Japanese language list for
On 12 September 2011 12:22, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 September 2011 11:24, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:16:39 +0100:
The Lazy Consensus period has now passed so there is PPMC agreement with
the
proposal. I now
On 12 September 2011 12:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 September 2011 10:27, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 September 2011 23:19, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
wrote:
On 12 September 2011 12:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 September 2011 10:27, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 September 2011 23:19, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
[Recombining the thread]
On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote:
We need to manage this carefully. A Japanes language list to ensure
non-English speaking people are able
Well binaries do not require votes, they
are considered a courtesy service of the
project. In any case there is sufficient
precedent which disagrees with Ross's opinion
that all PPMC votes must take place here that
his position could be reasonably contested
should a valid need arise.
Am 09/12/2011 01:58 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler:
The project defines it's rules on this. Many projects say 72 hours is
fine, regardless of when it falls. We tend to prefer to trust our
community members to do the right thing when weekends are involved. If
it's potentially controversial then try not
On 12 September 2011 13:31, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
[Recombining the thread]
On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote:
We need to manage this carefully.
On 12 September 2011 13:41, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well binaries do not require votes, they
are considered a courtesy service of the
project. In any case there is sufficient
precedent which disagrees with Ross's opinion
that all PPMC votes must take place here that
his
On 12 September 2011 13:41, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well binaries do not require votes, they
are considered a courtesy service of the
project.
For clarity:
An *official* release requires a vote. A binary snapshot release (for
example) does not.
Usually an official release
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On 12 September 2011 13:41, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
[Recombining the thread]
On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote:
We need to manage this carefully. A
Hi all,
Thanks.
:)
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
I have just changed the subject.
I propose setting up of ooo-general-ja at incubator.apache.org.
I also propose 2 moderators for ooo-general-ja at incubator.apache.org.
1. Kazunari Hirano
2. Maho
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From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
It would be useful if you explained what you meant by autonomy
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob
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From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
- Original Message
On 12 September 2011 15:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011
On 12 September 2011 15:33, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 September 2011 15:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To:
On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Thanks. That is a good idea.
I think you've raised a development issue. I am cross-posting to ooo-dev
where your suggestion could be acted on.
My recommendation is that a Bugzilla issue be created at
- Original Message -
From: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Why not just send the ballot to
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42
I've just modified a single webpage and nothing else.
Marcus
Am 09/12/2011 05:55 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
I think it is inappropriate to make web visible duplicate and different pages
that are presently available via the OpenOffice.org. There is much more to
determine before the
Can we please keep this thread focussed on the topic I intended it to be.
If we really must get specific about the details of a very specific
instance of decision making it needs its own thread.
Ross
On 12 September 2011 17:08, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
I think it is inappropriate to make web visible duplicate and different pages
that are presently available via the OpenOffice.org. There is much more to
determine before the migration of the OpenOffice.org
On 12 September 2011 17:20, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Can we please keep this thread focussed on the topic I intended it to be.
If we really must get specific about the details of a very specific
instance of decision making it needs its own thread.
I won't say any more
- Original Message -
From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
- Original Message -
I'm seeing some members say on the ooo-users list that targeted
donations are not permitted at Apache. But a cursory investigation
calls this statement into question.
For example, the contribution website at Apache [1] says, If you have
a specific target or project that you wish to directly
Am 09/12/2011 06:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Donald Whytockdwhyt...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Umbrella
You are the perfect being the enemy of the good.
Thanks for -1 all of Kay and my work. You've done this before. I've said it is
not perfect and that I am working on it. We discussed the terms etc last week.
I said what I would do. I didn't do it this last weekend. I had no real energy
for
I'm not sure.
Absent specific details that say these pages are covered by the SGA, that is
another reason to stop.
And even then, the standard-form SGA is not a copyright transfer. It is only a
license. There has been information already that no copyright transferred.
Affixing an Apache
[Forgot I use a different e-mail on ooo-users@ ]
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 08:11
To: ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org; ooofo...@free.fr
Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
Subject: RE: How to make a donation?
Thanks.
Hi Rob,
I think the problem is that ASF doesn't have a policy of paying for
development. Additionally, monies that do come in through the Sponsorships
is *not* earmarked for a specific project. There are currently no
mechanisms to deal with this. At ConCom we've
seen the Meetup communities
Hi Simon,
On Monday, 2011-09-12 13:31:13 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
The reality is likely to be somewhere in-between. For example, the PT-BR
localisation of OOo was the subject of extensive discussion in Portuguese
about exactly how to translate various aspects of the UI, none of which
On 12.09.2011 18:08, Rob Weir wrote:
But I'll propose a simpler solution. We should make it easy to
nominate and approve releases of language packs and full installs
based on already approved source releases. All we need is some
indication from an expert that a given translation was ready.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
I'm not sure.
Absent specific details that say these pages are covered by the SGA, that is
another reason to stop.
Not really. This is mixing up copyright with license. Regardless of
copyright, these files
Quick question (or perhaps a discussion point). With all this talk about how
things used to be built in a data center in Hamburg. I am wondering how the
release/build process works with Apache projects. Does the ASF
provide facilities for automated builds or releases? Is this something each
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Quick question (or perhaps a discussion point). With
all this talk about how things used to be built in a
data center in Hamburg. I am wondering how the
release/build process works with Apache projects. Does the
ASF provide
ah, excellent. Must have missed that, there has been a lot of threads :(
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote:
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Quick question (or perhaps a discussion point). With
all this talk about
Hello,
If AOOo did this, it would be completely new (and IMHO the Board would have
to agree to it).
My query is just to have a formally answer to give at our users on the french
forum.
We have sometime this question: I want to donate, how can I do this?
What should I say to them?
Thanks
Rob,
I am not going to discuss increasingly-hypothetical cases when there is a
specific situation in hand. It is my understanding from the Apache pages on
the topic that Copyright notices are not removed nor are they added to
third-party material.
Furthermore, even when there is an
On 12 September 2011 18:18, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob,
I think the problem is that ASF doesn't have a policy of paying for
development. Additionally, monies that do come in through the Sponsorships
is *not* earmarked for a specific project. There are currently no
On 09/12/2011 09:51 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
You are the perfect being the enemy of the good.
Thanks for -1 all of Kay and my work. You've done this before. I've
said it is not perfect and that I am working on it. We discussed the
terms etc last week. I said what I would do. I didn't do it this
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob,
I am not going to discuss increasingly-hypothetical cases when there is a
specific situation in hand. It is my understanding from the Apache pages on
the topic that Copyright notices are not removed nor
No problem Kay,
I think it was worthwhile to confirm bringing the pages into Apache SVN and
going through the Apache publishing flow.
I am concerned about monkeying with the pages and (separately) getting into
collisions about where this will all end up (i.e., is this the precise
Dave,
I'm sorry that you feel you've been -1'd. I have expressed my concern about
the licenses and copyright notices in the past. So this is the same objection
to the same action.
I don't know that anything in the situation has changed to have my concern
disappear.
Meanwhile, as I think
Rob,
Please look at
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK de/,
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK ar/,
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK lt/,
and so on.
Also do a View Source and look at the comment injected into the head elements.
The proper comparison is
There was an interesting blog post [1] over the weekend by Michael
Meeks, which was picked up by the tech press [2] with predictably
somber notes.
I'd summarize it as saying that merging code Apache code into
LibreOffice will be really difficult, especially since LibreOffice has
made widespread
On 09/12/2011 01:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
No problem Kay,
I think it was worthwhile to confirm bringing the pages into Apache
SVN and going through the Apache publishing flow.
I am concerned about monkeying with the pages and (separately)
getting into collisions about where this will
There are ways to make small (or larger, within-credit-limit) personal
donations to the ASF. PayPal is accepted [;).
I haven't tried it to see if one can even make a comment to indicate that the
donation is in honor of ASF accepting the OOo incubator.
That is not the same as making or
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob,
Please look at
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK de/,
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK ar/,
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK lt/,
and so on.
Also do a View
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
There was an interesting blog post [1] over the weekend by Michael
Meeks, which was picked up by the tech press [2] with predictably
somber notes.
I'd summarize it as saying that merging code Apache code into
LibreOffice
On 12 September 2011 22:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
There are ways to make small (or larger, within-credit-limit) personal
donations to the ASF. PayPal is accepted [;).
So it is. Seems I missed that one being completed. See
Rob, looking at the source on SVN doesn't matter. What matters is what is
served up in a browser and what claims are made on the page that is served up.
THAT AND ONLY THAT IS what I am talking about. It goes with being put into
production web site, whatever the dynamic behavior is that goes
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob, looking at the source on SVN doesn't matter. What matters is what is
served up in a browser and what claims are made on the page that is served
up. THAT AND ONLY THAT IS what I am talking about. It goes
On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Rob, looking at the source on SVN doesn't matter. What matters is what is
served up in a browser and what claims are made on the page that is served
up. THAT
On 09/09/2011 02:25 AM, Michael Stahl wrote:
On 05.09.2011 13:20, Michael Stahl wrote:
hi all,
the ooo-dev list is available at gmane.org for NNTP access and via a web
frontend [0].
currently accessing this list via Gmane presents users not with the real
mail addresses of posters, but
I tried it. I clicked Pay before my eye caught the tiny Note to Seller
click to Add link, so I didn't get to tell ASF anything I wanted them to know.
The donation process works easily.
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent: Monday, September
Hi Rob;
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, Rob Weir wrote:
..
I'd summarize it as saying that merging code Apache code
into LibreOffice will be really difficult, especially
since LibreOffice has made widespread source changes.
Is there anything we can do to help LibreOffice out here?
Develop faster
I want to connect some dots between terms-of-use and licenses.
The terms-of-use, such as http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use, linked at the
bottom of the OpenOffice.org pages do not provide a license to those pages.
The terms of use provide disclaimers on behalf of the host and set conditions
BrOffice(.org) is a very strong brand and community, probably the
largest and most influential OOo/LibO community in the world.
I think you are unaware of the latest developments (or then I am
unaware, which of course is more likely).
Anyway, for LibreOffice 3.3 (I think it was) we indeed went
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