Re: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > I have tracked the various svn discussions on the DL so far.  This note is > to initiate a discussion on the specific topic of how we should organise the > top-level-directory (TLD) structure within svn.  As I have mentioned > elsewhere, fami

Re: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to propose --*seeking lazy consensus*-- that the BHV publishing > GmbH, Novesiastrasse 60, D-41564 Kaarst (Germany) is permitted to use the > OpenOffice.org logo and trademark for their book (in preparation) > "OpenOffice.

Re: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Peter Junge wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On 29.08.2011 22:08, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Peter Junge  wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to propose --*seeking lazy consensus*-- t

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > As per [1], all user passwords (except those for ASF infra users with > system admin privs) have been reset to: > > password > > Assuming no show stopper issues are reported on [1] before 23.59 UTC > Monday 29 August 2011 then ASF infra will wo

Re: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

uld ever be needed. -Rob > There's no clear slot in our current TLD structure.  I've put my responses > on the rest below. > > On 29/08/11 14:59, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Terry Ellison  wrote: >>> >>> I have tracked t

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 29/08/2011 15:48, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> As per [1], all user passwords (except those for ASF infra users with >>> system admin privs) have been

Re: [Repo][Proposal] NOT SO FAST ON CHANGING HEADERS

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > OK, > > I assume that, for an Apache Project, the standard license header is the one > without copyright notices and beginning "Licensed to the Apache Software > Foundation (ASF) under one or more contributor license agreements."  Is

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Am 29.08.2011 17:30, schrieb Eike Rathke: > >> Hi Rob, >> >> On Monday, 2011-08-29 09:27:21 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> In particular, we now have unrelated changes intermingled with the >>>

Re: [DISCUSS] RE: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

runk/ >>> or >>>    * incubator/ooo/site//trunk >>> or where? >>> >>> There's no clear slot in our current TLD structure.  I've put my >>> responses on the rest below. >> >> i don't understand at all why "

Re: [Repo][Proposal] NOT SO FAST ON CHANGING HEADERS

ve getting the repo from Oracle > anew, we might want to make sure that we can reproduce the changes that have > been made to our current version. > > -Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir > Sent: Monday, August

Re: [DISCUSS] RE: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

project SVN with material that is > not so pure. > > Another way to look at it is a web-site/-service version of an Apache Extra, > visible to the world on a non-Apache domain name. > >  - Dennis > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mai

Re: [DISCUSS] RE: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: > > > Much clipped to save space. >> >> Look at http://www.oooforum.org  They get tons of traffic though they >> are independent of the OOo and get no advantage from the URL or any >>

Re: [DISCUSS| Info message to post on dev@api and dev@extensions

2011/8/30 Jürgen Schmidt : > Hi, > > as the former project lead of the API and Extensions project i would like to > post the following message on the d...@api.openoffice.org and > d...@extenisons.openoffice.org mailing lists to inform all subscribers about > the future of these mailing lists. I wil

Re: Building Guide (was: [code] builds, runs, but doesn't fly yet)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Monday, 2011-08-29 18:08:01 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: > >> Do we have a wiki page that shows a non-programmer to build AOOo? >> Also a list of needed programs would be really helpful, Windows7 and >> Ubuntu 11.04 here.  I would l

An example of the license problems we're going to face

As far as I know, all Apache projects have source releases. Some also have binary releases. I expect we will have both. OOo, since it was LGPL, could assume a copyleft orientation for source, documentation, templates, binaries, etc. Everything was copyleft, meaning if someone modified these mat

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Frank Peters wrote: > [...] > >> With Apache, our releases are under the Apache 2.0 license. This is >> not a copyleft license.  Apache code can be modified and republished >> without making the changes also available under an open source >> license. >> >> The Ora

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Suppose someone wants to take parts of >> the AOOo code, along with the associated documentation, and create an >> iPhone app from it.  The ALv2 would permit

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > >> >> Suppose someone wants t

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

future core documentation contributions are under a compatible license. The existing content may move over to that license, with permission of the original authors, where they can be identified, or replaced over time. >  - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

t to implement. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 09:39 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

; > -Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 09:53 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face > > On Tue, Aug 30, 201

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

>  - Dennis > > -----Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:05 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face > >

Re: Commit messages

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Do you remember this one and its usage? ;-) > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=10 > > It doesn't make sense to have a issue ID for *every* problem that > can/should/has to be fixed in the code. Especially for a build breaker

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get lazy consensus on to recommend that the trademark permission be granted to BHV publishing GmbH

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Peter Junge wrote: > Proposed: The Apache OpenOffice.org Podling recommends to Apache > Branding that permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo > be granted to BHV publishing GmbH, Novesiastrasse 60, D-41564 Kaarst > (Germany) for their book (in prep

Lazy consensus template

There is a good description of "Lazy Consensus" on the Apache community web site [1] But even if you understand that page, you might have questions about how to actually do it. It is not very difficult. I've written up a short example template of what it looks like. The use of this template is

Re: [DISCUSS] RE: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo project under Configuration Management

it would help if you explained what you think are the core beliefs of the OOo community and where they are in conflict with the above. Regards, -Rob [1]: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > Greetings Raphael > > Am 30.08.11 01:55, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On

Who wants to build OpenOffice?

We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have already jumped on the new code repository and started making improvements. But I see we have 214 people subscribed to the mailing list, including many who were not previously working on OOo code. This is great. Growing the communi

Apache project community and external community

(renaming the thread since it has drifted) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Rob > > Am 30.08.11 20:52, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob >>> >>> So y

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Am 30.08.11 21:24, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have >> already jumped on the new code repository and started making >> improvements. > > Pavel

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

I can cover the other coast. -Rob On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hey, over here (waving arm in the air)! > > Yes, I will moderate ooo-users. > > Do you need a minimum of three? > > It would also be good to have one additional so we can handle the occasional > CJK

Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

There is some paperwork we need to file based on OOo use of cryptography. Details are on the Apache website [1]. I think I can handle most of the paperwork, provided I can get some help, on this thread, establishing the basic facts. 1) Was something similar every done for OpenOffice.org? Most

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Am 30.08.2011 19:08, schrieb Maho NAKATA: > >> Hi Mathias, >> >> Is it the time to push FreeBSD patches? >> Now I'm at Dener to attend a conference, and just now my talk has finished. >> I'll work when I go back to Japan. Maybe next Monday or

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

Great. Thanks. Could we get a couple more moderator volunteers, say a couple from Europe? Note that a user list will require more moderator assistance than a dev list, with people having difficulties signing off, with need to remove people with badly behaving out-of-the-office agents, etc. -Ro

Re: Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, drew wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 08:19 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> Fred Juan DIAZ, >> >> I agree that it is important to clean up those lists. >> >> I just wanted to be accurate that it is not a spam attack in the usual >> sense, if those are the probl

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have > already jumped on the new code repository and started making > improvements. > > But I see we have 214 people subscribed to the mailing list, including

Re: Apache project community and external community

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Ross, > > That makes no sense.  We are here because of the Oracle SGA, not because we > all got together and said, hey gang, let's run over to Apache.  And some of > us, such as myself, were not part of the OpenOffice.org community in

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

please take my answers with a decent grain of salt, I'm not an expert > for that area, Matthias Hütsch and Malte Timmermann certainly could > answer that better, but I don't know if they are currently contributing > to this list. Hopefully my remarks can help to look at the

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 08/31/2011 09:01 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Rob Weir  wrote: >>> >>> We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have >>> already

Re: Apache project community and external community

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Am 30.08.11 22:30, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> (renaming the thread since it has drifted) >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob >>> >>> Am 3

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - hackfest

rely to mention timezones with IRC and building OpenOffice. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 09:02 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? > > O

What could Doc be?

Re-titling this thread based on the topic drift. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Jean Weber wrote: > > As I've noted before, tracking down past contributors to get agreement > on changing the license of existing material would be difficult and in > some cases impossible. Given that the existing

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

., that illustrate their problems. Of course, allowing all attachments unconstrained by type and size is also a path to chaos. Any recommendations for what we should enable? -Rob On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > Great.  Thanks.  Could we get a couple more moderator volunteers,

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/31/2011 08:10 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. >> >> The default policy appears to be forbid many attachments, silently >> stripping t

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi, > > I'm going to warm this up, as legal seems to have no definite opinion on > it and effectively suggests the project has to establish its process and > decide how it will handle larger contributions. See > http://mail-archives.apache.org/

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/8/31 Rob Weir : >> Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. >> > > The experience with the german OOo-users list have shown > that attachments should be banned. Today it is not

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:25 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 08:05 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: >> Sometime before this thread has deviated into too many different directions >> it may >> be an idea if someone created an infra issue asking for the list to be >> created. > > *chuckling*w

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:19 PM, drew wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 18:41 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:25 PM, drew wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 08:05 +1000, Gavin McDonald wrote: >> >> Sometime before this thread has deviated into

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 08:35, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >> Hmm, so the problem in the case of the list is that it is a broadcast >> medium, and someone can be expected to not practice safe unzipping.  Got it. >> >> OK, no attachments. >> >

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 16:06:48 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > Will AOOo accept code contributions under AL2, be it on the mailing >> > list, as JIRA attachment, or otherwise with consent of the ori

Re: What could Doc be?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > > Rob, > Thanks for the comments and encouraging ideas. Before I can answer the > more substantial questions in a useful way, I'll need to do some > research and dust off my docs-project-scoping skills from my years at > IBM Australia. So for no

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

ose addresses above, and I'll see if only one of them works. > > I assume it is obvious when the list software does not recognize a moderator > sending in the required manner. > >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] &

draft blog post on the Linux build education event

https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education Are the "homework" items correct? Anything else participants should prepare? Note also I'm framing this as one of a series of Developer Education Events. We might want to think of th

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

JIRA issue entered: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3905 -Rob On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hey, over here (waving arm in the air)! > > Yes, I will moderate ooo-users. > > Do you need a minimum of three? > > It would also be good to have one additional

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

dev/crypto.html> >> >>  - Dennis >> >> -Original Message- >> From: rabas...@gmail.com >> [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] >> On Behalf Of Rob Weir >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 09:31 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subje

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Danese Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> 1) Was something similar every done

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a number > of closed forums use for internal management of the site.  If any committers > would like to have access to these, then just make sure that they've got an > active a

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/9/1 Rob Weir : >> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education >> > > how can I login? > Oh... I was hoping you could all see that. Dar

ooo-users list now available

Let joy be unconfined. Let there be dancing in the streets. And thanks, Joe. Moderators are automatically subscribed, I think. Others can join with an email to ooo-users-subscribe.incubator.apache.org Follow up items, which I'd welcome help with: 1) Once the archives are created, which can tak

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

please? > > Regards > Terry > > On 01/09/11 17:59, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Terry Ellison >>  wrote: >>> >>> Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a >>> number >>> of c

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

ou never know when persistent cookies are playing tricks with you. http://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_org_developer_education -Rob > >>________ >>From: Rob Weir >>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>Sent: Thursday, Septem

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

nd where I saw this before.  It has also been discussed here or > on the ooo-private list before.  I remembered it as being simpler than it is.) > >  - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir > Sent:

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> Please just do it this way: >> >> >> >> ASF is very clear on what is required for *its* releases and this page >> appears to be co

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request.  However, > it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an interesting > catch-22:  I far as I can see there are two facets to this invitation. > >   * *Sufficien

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >>> wrote: >>>> Following the instructions[3], step 1 is to work ou

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 01/09/11 20:14, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison >> wrote: >>> >>> OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request. >>>  However, >&g

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

Message- > From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldon...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:14 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rob Weir wr

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:00 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:56 +0100, Terry Ellison wrote: >> OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request. >> However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an >> interesting catch-22:  I far as I can see there ar

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

e. So, for example, if we make calls into an OS-level URL protocol handler that negotiates SSL for https URL's, then that would count. That is my reading of it. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, Septembe

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

hink we're doing support moderation wrong. -Rob >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:59 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Comm

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

7;ll do the install on that, to make sure we have a good list of what would need to be done to a clean install. > M. > > 2011/9/1 Rob Weir : >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/blogs.

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

/11 20:14, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ellison >> wrote: >>> >>> OK, Rob, I now understand your point.  I will do as you request. >>>  However, >>> it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an &g

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM, drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> We have such a method, if it were needed.  It is called ooo-private. >> If we think that 30 private forums are needed in order to discuss "bad >> behavior" in s

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

You two are some of the smartest admins I know, and I've known a few. With mastery obviously comes strong opinions and equally strong working habits. This is probably the largest migration effort Apache has ever done. It is certainly a huge effort from OOo's perspective, since it is a technical,

Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

to work together" will be easier if we all step back and cool off. Escalating insults has a way of reaching a point of no return. We should try to avoid that. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. -Rob > On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:33 -0400, "Rob Weir" wrote: >> You two a

Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux

The blog post is up: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_org_developer_education Please pass along the info wherever you think it would find interest. I've stuck it on Twitter, Facebook and Google Plus. Are there any legacy OOo lists where there might be interest? -Rob

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > From top of page, Overview, second > paragraph: > > "PMCs considering including cryptographic functionality within their products > or specially designing their products to use other software with

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

checks and balances provided by the PPMC/Mentor oversight of lists like ooo-private. -Rob >  - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 13:40 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: An i

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Looks like LO discussed it briefly [4], but dismissed it under the >> misapprehension that since they are not in the US, the regulation is >> irrelevant. &g

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

 - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Norbert Thiebaud [mailto:nthieb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 18:38 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration > > On Thu, Sep 1, 201

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>> Looks like LO discus

Re: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > A little late here, and a trivial observation, but this type of > statement really jerks my chain, because it is so Northern-Hemisphere > specific: > > "It is September. Time for cooler weather and time to go back to school" > > (Watching th

Re: Set up of ooo-ja-gene...@incubator.apache.org

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi all, > Hi Hirano-san, I can help with your questions on the process. > I would like to propose setting up of ooo-ja-gene...@incubator.apache.org > :) > Can you advise me which is better? > 1) ooo-ja-gene...@incubator.apache.org > 2) oo

Re: Set up of ooo-ja-gene...@incubator.apache.org

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 09/02/2011 10:10 AM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: >> >> Hi eric, >> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:58 PM, eric b  wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> -1 from me, for the following reasons : >>> >>> - we should define something general, for all the local

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> Shane there are some intrinsic differences between a DL and posting into a >> forum. However, reading this entire thread I get the feeling that some of >> the current practices on the forum may be unacceptable to Apache / the >> project

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>> In tradition, all ASF related matters - code, users etc - are >>> discussed in public on the dev list. The user lists has been utilized >>> to do support to users. Now there is an forum in addtiion to a list. >>> The credo is:"if it ha

Re: [Discuss] Lost in translation

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:44 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry for my bad english, I'm french. ;-) > > My name is Cyril Beaussier and I manage the french forum. > I take care of fr.ooo website incidentally since community peoples leave to > LibO. > Hello Cyril, Are you involved in the us...@fr.open

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: < > What, if a the click on the "ban" button does send an email to the > private@ mailinglist? > As I heard it is the phpBB board which is used, so only a online is > necessary for that. > It would also conform to "commit then review"gu

Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale

OpenOffice.org is an Apache domain. It will have Apache branding, etc. We can't pretend that site is at arm's length. -Rob On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > +1 > > I completely support the high-level migration road-map you sketch for > artifacts and services current

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

Starting fresh. The more I look into this the more I'm starting to think that the Apache export control instructions [1] are leading us in the wrong direction. >From what I've been able to determine, the classification code comes not only from the strength of the encryption, but also the use of t

Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale

the podling already). > > My only concern now is that we do not take steps that make that migration an > option, however we conclude what the end game will look like. > >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent:

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

sers of the software may also > have in the jurisdiction where usage is occuring.  But I think that we need > to acquit ourselves of the fact that the various OO.o employment of > cryptographic methodologies are now in source-code form on the Apache SVN. > > -Original Message- >

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

rry things along if we all go over there and post 4 or 5 messages saying that the code is already in SVN and they should hurry up and do something, anything. On second, thought, let's not do that. It really wouldn't help much at all. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message-

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Please note that, as part of the overall migration to Apache, this list will be closed.  Based on feedback received, including from participants on this list, we've decided to create a users list at the Apache OpenOffice.org project to serve as a continuation of us...@openoffice.org. You are invit

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d recommend discussing this on the users list and see if there a consensus one way or another. -Rob > On 2011-09-02 11:03 AM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Please note that, as part of the overall migration to Apache, this >> list will be closed.  Based on feedback received, including f

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> I'd rather not file false information with the government.  Of course, >> you are welcome to do so, if you think the need is urgent. > > Can I cite that in my ne

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2011-09-02 11:30 AM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Larry Gusaas >>  wrote: >>> >>> Will this list also be available using Gmane? >>> >> I do not believe that oc

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: >> Do you really want to discuss a users behavior in public? >> Wow, I really don't want to do that. I strongly believe that only a >> few people would discuss another guys behavi

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > On 2011-09-02 12:08 PM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Larry Gusaas >>  wrote: >> >>> There is a long list of  Apache mailing lists available through Gmane. >>> The >

Re: [Lists] Moderation policy for ooo-users

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > Before traffic starts showing up on the new ooo-users list, is there any > process we want or need to follow in moderating posts to ooo-users? Do I need > to advise anyone when I have bounced posts? Should I be conferring with other > modera

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get lazy consensus on to recommend that the trademark permission be granted to BHV publishing GmbH

Looks like we lazy consensus on this proposal. I just saw some comments on ensuring that they use the current version of the logo, with color. We can now hand this over, with our recommendation, to Shane as Branding VP, for his review and approval. -Rob On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Rob

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