On 01/08/11 10:01, Gavin McDonald wrote:
Hi Terry, I have no issues with mysql, we have a few under VMs and are ok, we
could move
to postgres at a later date if needed - if we went that far I'd also consider
moving to FreeBSD.
Anyway, for now, can you give me some Ubuntu VM specs so I can
snip
Obviously different open source foundations or forges or projects will
make this determination in different ways. At Apache, the requirement
is described as:
Using A Wiki To Create Documentation
Podlings may use a wiki to create documentation (including the
website) providing that follow
Rob,
Let us take a time-out on this one. Some of these points are best
clarified off DL before coming back here; some are noise; and some are
sufficiently important to be considered properly before being raised as
threads in their own right rather than buried 20 replies down in a
thread on
On 03/08/11 14:38, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weirapa...@robweir.com wrote:
snip
Ah. OK. He was asking for speculation on why the traffic is less now
than a year ago. Impossible to say, since I can't
On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote:
A specific question then that should not require diverting your
current efforts. Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism
to send an email to every registered wiki user?
At a technical level, it's simple to run a query dumping all of the mail
Hi Khirano,
+1 to Marcus comments. I am working with the rest of the project to
migrate the forums and the wiki as-is for now.
I don't know of any plans to change the forum operating model materially
. As far as the wiki goes in the medium to longer term, the project may
decide to move
On 05/08/11 08:10, eric b wrote:
Le 5 août 11 à 03:12, Pedro Giffuni a écrit :
Yes, it will continue to be inclusive for all OpenOffice derivatives.
So I'm still wondering why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are yet not listed ...
Eric,
The short answer is no once has asked or the demand isn't
snip
I thought the idea was to have two wikis, one for (among other things)
official documentation that requires contributors to sign the iCLA,
and the other for community documentation that does not. It would seem
to me that the items you described fit into the official docs, while
much (I
zero admin. Adding another for another Apache
project if wanted is pretty trivial. There are also probably a dozen
people with in-depth moderation experience who might be willing to
provide consultancy here.
Regards Terry
Hi Terry,
Le 5 août 11 à 12:08, Terry Ellison a écrit :
On 05/08
On 07/08/11 16:55, Eike Rathke wrote:
Hi Rob,
On Sunday, 2011-08-07 11:27:26 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
So assigning an open license is entirely optional. I could upload a
page under by personal copyright and demand payment of 20 chickens or
1 goat for copying the document. For example:
On 07/08/11 17:34, Rob Weir wrote:
Didn't Clayton just say that he had left the project. So why does he
still have super-user privileges? And since when does a non-project
member have the right to revert a change by a Committer, with no
discussion?
Rob, because this is not _yet_ a project
On 07/08/11 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
snip
I was looking at the various user groups on this page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers
I see that only Clayton is in the WikiEditor group. Should you be in that group
as well?
It should be possible to alter the login page
I've just finished a 1st cut of outstanding tasks and issues for the Wiki.
See
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Wiki+Services
Comments gratefully received on this DL and/or on the page itself.
Thanks Terry
On 07/08/11 23:38, Terry Ellison wrote:
I've just finished a 1st cut of outstanding tasks and issues for the
Wiki.
See
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Wiki+Services
Comments gratefully received on this DL and/or on the page itself.
Thanks Terry
snip
On 08/08/11 01:41, TJ Frazier wrote:
snip
Methinks I see a small change in the qualifications. As one such user
(sysop), I gladly volunteer to continue in that role. I can submit an
iCLA, if that would help (it's on my WIGATI list). Since I rarely, if
ever, make any substantial
On 08/08/11 02:23, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
+1 to move to PostgreSQL.
It's more work but it's also more portable than the other
option that I would have suggested: ZFS.
Picking up Wolf and Pedro's point. We used to use PostgreSQL to run the
forums and I found it an excellent product. (We
On 08/08/11 12:44, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
snip
* Migration of the infrastructure service. What drives this is if
Oracle decides, say, that the current hardware is being turned off
on the XXth of Aug, then we need to move the service to a box in
Apache.org.
s/move the
On 09/08/11 12:31, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Terry Ellisonter...@apache.org wrote:
I've just finished a 1st cut of outstanding tasks and issues for the Wiki.
See https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
All,
Just a quick update on progress on the wiki instance. This is now up in
preprod mode on the subdomain ooo-wiki. This is based on a snapshot
taken at 4am yesterday morning. The server needs further tuning, but
functionally its there. We do have some outstanding code issues (due to
a
All,
Just a quick update on progress on the forums instance. This is now up
in preprod mode on the subdomain ooo-forums. This is based on a
snapshot taken at 4am Tuesday morning. The server needs further tuning,
but functionally its there. Also note as per my previous email, all
As part of my takeover of SysAdmin on wiki.services.openoffice.org, I've
been reviewing the error logs and noticed that last week there's been
quite a rise in reported errors by clients trying to enumerate the wiki
incorrectly. This may just be a coincidence and nothing to do with our
work,
Kay,
Surely this is looking at the issue the wrong way around. HTML is a
lower lever of abstraction. Yes, this suggestion makes life easier for
the maintainer but at the expense of extra complexity/difficulty for the
contributor -- especially as the average contributor isn't at ease
Rob,
I support your general point. Using static HTML files to achieve might
have been a sound argument in the 1990s, but it isn't really credible
with today platform technologies. What are the transactional rates for
the Apache site? How many requests per second even just roughly?
Taking
A relative, not my immediate family but close, has just been admitted to
hospital and the prognosis isn't good. This server work isn't time
critical at the moment. The servers are up and viewable, so I guess
that working on them is going to have to wait a couple of days. No need
to clutter
Shane,
Thanks for these very useful volumetric links. I have a Q about Henk's
stats. I see that the total requests / month across all apache sites
run at ~350M requests. Is this Apache requests (e.g. an aggregate
linecount of all Apache access logs) or just the main document requests
On 20/08/11 21:00, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
1. One has to do with n...@openoffice.org where this is a personal forwarding
set up for some user (or entity) and it forwards to another e-mail address. If
these are preserved, forwarding them to some
On 21/08/11 15:18, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Terry Ellison ter...@apache.org wrote:
On 20/08/11 21:00, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
1. One has to do with n...@openoffice.org where this is a personal
forwarding set up for some
snip
Your svn and Apache (server) response just emphasises our disconnect.
OOo
is aimed at normal mortals who don't even know what a command prompt is.
Could you imagine you grandfather, mother or young child wanting to use
either of these? Fruitcakes and viagra spam on a website are
On 21/08/11 18:53, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Andy Browna...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
Watching the discussions here I have a question.
How hard would it be to find out which forwarding addresses are in active
use, last six months, last year?
You could find out which
Just a warning in case anyone is browsing the ooo-wiki.apache.org
server. We will be taking it offline to add an Apache Traffic Server
Cache. You can still all access the current production site at
wiki.services.openoffice.org
I will post another announcement when it is back one line for
I've now finished the upgrade to add the Apache Traffic Server front end
to the community MediaWiki service at http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/ and
the service is back online.
We need to do some further tuning of the system cache optimisation, but
even with the first-cut settings that I prepared
I've just been catching up and reading this thread. Most of the main
points have been made and discussed. But I think that there is one point
that hasn't: so let me summarise so far:
* DLs and Forums each have their sweet-spot advantages and
disadvantages.
* In general individuals
Hummmnnn. On our forums alone we have been averaging over 4 times this
rate of posts for years, and because we actively encourage users to
pick up related threads, we have 5.3 posts per topic. And the discounts
the 10x plus Google driven browsing of previous answers. Unanswered
posts run
On 24/08/11 01:28, drew wrote:
snip
So far the LibreOffice project has avoided creating support forums
that compete with the openoffice.org lists; would it be smart to
explore a way to have this broader, collaborative support in place?
I would not characterize it quite that way - LibreOffice
Sorry in advance. I've tried to put this type of content on the cwiki
and it has largely been ignored by the DL, hence this email. It is a
long onem so have I tried to structure it and keep to simple plain text
(as the DL forwarder seems to screw up text/html markup).
Since this is so long,
Kay,
My sister-in-law's husband has recently had a massive stroke quite out
of the blue and his condition is still critical. As we are both good
friends and family, we've had to reprioritise in the short term to be
around for them, though my wife Jan is doing most of this. As soon as I
I have tracked the various svn discussions on the DL so far. This note
is to initiate a discussion on the specific topic of how we should
organise the top-level-directory (TLD) structure within svn. As I have
mentioned elsewhere, family circumstances have underlined that any of
use could
Thanks for comments. Rob. I was hoping to get your and others thoughts
on this TLD structure issue: Where do we plug the wiki, the forums, the
other website services into our svn hierarchy (where =the relevant
service):
* incubator/ooo/site/trunk/
or
*
On 29/08/11 16:30, Michael Stahl wrote:
Tried this before on projects. It really doesn't work. There are
~2,500 files of which we update about 20-30 with a single patch file.
If we do it the way you suggest, we would have a huge bulk of revisions
every phpBB release. It's a lot easier to keep
Dennis,
I just want to emphasise one of the key points that I made in my
original post and which seems to have got lost in the subsequent
dialogue. I differentiated between the application -- that is the S/W
configuration based on the customisation of a FLOSS package -- which
supports a
-
From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 18:13
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: SVN and bringing the total end-to-end OOo
project under Configuration Management
Dennis,
I just want to emphasise one of the key
I want to put the forums sub-project under svn today, so I can
populate the baseline. At the moment /incubator/ooo has the core
subdirectories branches, tags, trunk, trunk-orig -- plus the project
tree for the www.openoffice.org site.
Since the number of items under CM for the forums and
I've flagged this one up with Andrew Rist, but we seem to have a snafu
here. This hit Europe about a hr ago, but the cascade hasn't hit the US
DNS servers yet.
In the meantime as a work around, you can add static entries to your
hosts files:
192.18.196.107 user.services.openoffice.org
.
Regards
Terry
On 31/08/11 22:45, Terry Ellison wrote:
I've flagged this one up with Andrew Rist, but we seem to have a snafu
here. This hit Europe about a hr ago, but the cascade hasn't hit the
US DNS servers yet.
In the meantime as a work around, you can add static entries to your
hosts
I moved my site directory tree on ooo-forums.apache.org last night.
(This is the ~80 files that need to be put under svn, and that enable
the site-customised forum configuration to be rebuild by one of the
scripts in site/scripts and the phpBB tarballs that it pulls from the
phpBB
Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a
number of closed forums use for internal management of the site. If any
committers would like to have access to these, then just make sure that
they've got an active account on the current production service (not
OK, Rob, I now understand your point. I will do as you request.
However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an
interesting catch-22: I far as I can see there are two facets to this
invitation.
* *Sufficiency*. These forums are closed because this gives the
-clie...@sc.sfr.fr. Then we need to find the
subscribers whose e-mail addresses are landing at the responding site
and disable those.
I also fear that there is nothing in our planned work to preserve
these portions of the openoffice.org domain.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Terry
. Hamilton wrote:
Um, so your answer is no?
You do not have any means to deal with that mailing list issue on the live
openoffice.org site?
Any suggestions?
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:04
On 02/09/11 00:46, Shane Curcuru wrote:
Separately from how moderation is done and separately from the issue
that many traditional participants/contributors to a lot of OOo areas
are non-english speakers, I just wanted to mention an additional
factor about mailing list norms at Apache.
For
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally robust
and unapologetic response. I don't want to rehash this again, but this
tipped the balance for me and I
Rob, the volunteers on the forums want to keep providing a service for
all OOo end-users that they can take pride and dignity in. That's all.
The debating style here can be robust and sometimes falls far below the
standard that we expect participants to follow.
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate autonomously.
Are you sure? I believe they do.
+1 to Simons view -1 to Rob.
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
committers. Almost any other attempted use of ooo-private has been
On 04/09/11 17:47, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
It might be different to discuss roughly at the dev forums were most
people know each other than in a public message boards were even my
grandmother might participate. At this project I heard the term end
users very often; I don't think you can use
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.orgwrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support
On 04/09/11 18:15, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
...
If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project
then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware?
...
Because those of us who are engaged on the project thought that it's the
best thing to do, and want
On 04/09/11 23:22, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 4 September 2011 22:37, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 22:13, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
...
If several members of the
There are views of the mentors which we need to weight heavily. There
are the views of the PPMC members actually doing the work -- me and the
5 other PPMC members doing the work -- which as far as I understand also
carry some weight, and then there are the views of other PPMC
non-involved
to Japanese users
of OpenOffice.org, LibreOffice and of course any Apache Open Office release.
I hope that this answers your question.
Regards
Terry Ellison
On 05/09/11 15:48, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
I would like to know about migration of the Japanese Community Forum,
http
On 05/09/11 15:04, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
Rob,
There is a small control domain where any Hosting or sponsoring organisation
may decide to define a set of constraints on the subgroups for which it is
responsible. It may also
I think that there was perhaps a subtle difference in the basis of Robs
and my comments here. One of the PPMC members said to me in a
side-email Rob was doing this trolling as a deliberate tactic to
generate an antagonistic response. I can only plea in mitigation that I
meant what I said.
As has been pointed out by posters on this DL, I've now resigned
twice from the project. On the first occasion I said I was leaving but
committed to finish off my forum / wiki work first as long as we could
avoid a ping-pong of personal criticisms / hostile posting on the
ooo-dev DL. The
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