Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Donald Whytock
About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? Typically marketing is performed to increase sales, which earns money; AOO has no sales, so what should the intended benefit from marketing be? How does Apache gain from a

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

2012-10-29 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Shouldnt this be on ooo-marketing? Probably. But it was in response to Peter's questions about ApacheCon EU discussion topics, one of which was about end-user software vs. the typical Apache offering, and how a big

Re: [PROPOSAL] difficulty field for Bugzilla

2012-10-24 Thread Donald Whytock
Apache Camel uses an Estimated Complexity custom field in the Apache Issues Tracker. Current values in it are Any, Unknown, Novice, Moderate, Advanced, Guru and Needs James Gosling. Had to look him up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gosling Don On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Louis

Re: How many countries has AOO been downloaded from?

2012-10-19 Thread Donald Whytock
Should a form of this appear on the AOO blog? Don On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: I think the fact that it is not our data is important, but I agree that putting the link there could be a problem. Could we not simply write that our data comes from

Re: There is an orb logo with gulls on openSUSE installer

2012-10-12 Thread Donald Whytock
The openSUSE's orb is in a darker blue and the gulls are not white, but it is clearly based on the AOO logo. ...The dark side of open source? Don On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday I upgraded my system to openSUSE 12.2. The installer, when copying

Re: BItTorrents -- do we care?

2012-10-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree stongly. Seeding torrents is a bandwith-intensive, and particularly upstream-intensive proposition. Most residential broadband links -at least down here in .AR- are limited to 512K to 256 Kbps upstream speed.

Re: Draft Blog Post: Calling all Consultants

2012-10-09 Thread Donald Whytock
A thought about target audience: If the post addresses consultants, users should perhaps be referred to in the third person... But in some cases, with larger, customized deployments, migrations, more complex requirements, etc., you might need some extra help, some professional expertise to help

Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-09 Thread Donald Whytock
Volatility check, please, people. Don On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; - Original Message - From: Rob Weir ... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*.

Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?

2012-10-02 Thread Donald Whytock
Amazon can be considered a publisher. They have a mechanism for publishing one's own ebook. If you're going to allow authors to make their own entries a la consultants, they should probably be allowed to submit whatever link they'd prefer. That might be an Amazon or BN link, as the author might

Re: Draft Blog Post: Use the Source, Luke

2012-09-26 Thread Donald Whytock
Syntax-weenie: has and continues to grow - has grown and continues to grow but also helping users use it - but also by helping users use it natural for an product - natural for a product (or natural for any product?) optimized for a specific install scenarios - optimized for specific install

Re: Call for comments: Webpage for Listing OpenOffice Consultants

2012-09-26 Thread Donald Whytock
Still suggesting some sort of expiration mechanism (perhaps a timestamp in the entry, with a scheduled job to prune), so this doesn't become a barnacle colony. Don On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Another one of those larger ecosystem things I'll be pushing

download page path

2012-09-21 Thread Donald Whytock
Is there a path to the download page that's based on the apache.org domain? My company's firewall system has decided openoffice.org is Freeware and Shareware. And yes, they say that like it's a bad thing. Don

Re: download page path

2012-09-21 Thread Donald Whytock
That did work. Thanks. Should that be included on the project page? On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 09/21/2012 08:31 PM, schrieb Albino B Neto: Hi. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Donald Whytockdwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a path to

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

2012-09-20 Thread Donald Whytock
Has anyone asked/is anyone asking Infra about a torrent tracker? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Hi Rory Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: This morning the

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

2012-09-20 Thread Donald Whytock
It's more than cool. A proper torrent client is a step up from an ordinary download manager in that it's tolerant of both poor connections and instances of blocked paths to a specific connection. It doesn't resume interrupted downloads as much as handle downloads in whatever quantities it can

Re: BItTorrents -- do we care?

2012-09-18 Thread Donald Whytock
One good thing about bittorrent is that it's less dependent on a single source. There has to be at least one primary seed, but once the packet's out there a client has less need to reach that primary seed. A download manager may be able to handle resuming interrupted downloads (if the host is),

Re: OpenOffice.org Business Partnership Inquiry

2012-09-08 Thread Donald Whytock
This is the third occurrence of the exact same letter from Faith. I'm thinking autogen. There really should be an unsubscribe... On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2012 07:49, fa...@filepuma.com fa...@filepuma.com wrote: Hi OpenOffice.org

Re: OpenOffice.org Business Partnership Inquiry

2012-08-27 Thread Donald Whytock
Duplicate of 21 June letter. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:17 AM, fa...@filepuma.com fa...@filepuma.com wrote: Hi OpenOffice.org Webmaster, I'm sorry to bother you. I am Faith from Filepuma.com. I write to you just to consult whether we can have a potential chance to cooperate with you. And

Re: [Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?

2012-07-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: And if anyone is interested, a clue as to why these particular visitors are downloading AOO less might be gleamed by loading our download page on an older version of I.E. Remember, to get this dialog in Windows, one must be

Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice

2012-07-17 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: In any case, the parent post is about mission and goals, not collecting bug reports. I assume you have objections to accessibility as a project goal. Maybe stressing flexibility and extensibility rather than accessibility, in

Re: On parks, commons, and websites

2012-07-17 Thread Donald Whytock
I like the spirit of your analogy. The overall message is that, if something needs doing, and you see it needs doing, you doing it is the way to see it gets done fastest, and that if you recognize the need, then its getting done is something that benefits you, among others. There's an important

Re: Crazy idea: Use Google to translate website

2012-07-02 Thread Donald Whytock
You don't have to use Google Translate for the entire site into a given language. Better than no page at all in a given language is a page in a given language that says, Hi there! This is the site for Apache OpenOffice. We welcome translations of our site into your language, and invite you to

Re: Word cloud for ooo-dev post subjects

2012-06-27 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://people.apache.org/~robweir/ooo-dev-cloud.png This looks at the top 1000 terms used in ooo-dev post subjects since this project moved to Apache in June 2011.  The only thing I removed was Re:, since that would have

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

2012-06-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then created a 'world cloud'

Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like programme

2012-06-25 Thread Donald Whytock
Just a caveat...There was an issue with the now-attic-ed project Bluesky, which, as I understand it, was operated with teacher committers and student contributors. The whole IP/licensing issue looked ugly toward the end because none of the students had signed ICLAs and hadn't contributed the code

Re: Distribution of post times for ooo-dev

2012-06-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was curious, so I extracted the post times for all ooo-dev posts in 2012 (over 10,000 of them), normalized the times to UTC, adjusting for time zone (python script), and made a histogram in R. The glorious results are here:

Re: [Draft] How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice

2012-06-05 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 4) The translation work is separate from almost any other topic on ooo-dev.  Testers need to know about ongoing dev work.  Ditto for porters, UX, documentation, etc.  But translation is more of an isolated activity. If the

Re: [Draft] How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice

2012-06-04 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: 2) You can suggest translations on our Pootle server: https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/   Logins to Pootle are reserved for project Committers (those volunteers who have demonstrated sustained contributions to the

Re: Bring back the distributors page!

2012-06-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:00 PM, John Schmidt supp...@123openoffice.com wrote: I thought this was a great idea and have always had my software up to date and delivered on time. I can't say anything for anyone else, but my site looks professional and I also supply the buyer with choices of

Re: Bring back the distributors page!

2012-06-01 Thread Donald Whytock
Not a committer here, but I've been following the list, and have seen much kvetching about pages containing outdated, inoperable and/or fraudulent links to outside sites, and how much trouble it is to go through them and clean out the trash. It may be helpful to people who want to buy support

Re: LinuxTag 2012 Berlin

2012-05-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As for the LO split, you could ask a dozen people why? and get a dozen different answers.  You could ask Keith Curtis why? and get 50 answers ;-)  But the question and the answer is not really important. The only real

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Donald Whytock
Um, guys? As this concerns a LibreOffice webpage over which the AOO committers largely have no control, is it better to have this argument here or on a LibreOffice-related list? Don

Re: Apache license (invariant section)

2012-05-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: On the Contributors page of a document, I would like to include people who contributed, with their name, email, website and a short advertising message describing their activities. I want to protect and enforce this

Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams

2012-05-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML regarding issues

Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and project teams

2012-05-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:29 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen

Re: Open Office

2012-05-17 Thread Donald Whytock
This mailing list typically deletes attachments. You may wish to include the text of the request in the email, and/or include a link to an external copy of the PDF. Don On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Janet Wallace janet.wall...@ea.edin.sch.uk wrote: I am emailing to request your permission

Re: Please help.

2012-04-17 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Brian N bria...@nocturnitybooks.com wrote: BTW . HP sent me to you. At least the project has recognition...

Re: LGPL vs Apache 2.0 FAQ?

2012-04-05 Thread Donald Whytock
Wikipedia has a list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses Last modified 21 Feb 2012. Not sure if it's street-legal, but it's a starting point. Don

Re: Instructions about how to retain access to the OpenOffice Templates website, now hosted at SourceForge

2012-03-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: And the fact that nobody else has raised any concerns shows that it is probably my personal opinion only. I thought it was fine as-was -- honest and casual, which I think fits OSS -- but if you had wanted to spin

Re: why i uninstalled OpenOffice and went back to MS Office2003

2012-03-26 Thread Donald Whytock
Try MS Office 2010. Takes 5+ seconds for me. That means OOo is less too-slow than MSO has evolved to. Perhaps AOO should try to catch up? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Martin Tõnumaa mtonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi here´s my feedback to OpenOffice software that was available in March 2012

openoffice.fm

2012-03-14 Thread Donald Whytock
There's a site offering, supposedly, a version of OpenOffice called OpenOffice.fm: http://download.openoffice.fm/free/ No mention of Oracle or Apache in the licensing, though it does have a news blurb about OpenOffice joining Apache. FAQ and forum links point to openoffice.org. Links to the

Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?

2012-03-13 Thread Donald Whytock
Having seen some of the other comments here, let me rephrase my position... Current interest in OOo is by way of my employer using it as a document-to-PDF-converter server. For this to work as a long-term solution, OOo (and now in its home as AOO) needs to stay current with the industry, both on

Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?

2012-03-12 Thread Donald Whytock
yes, and: +1 (BTW, very little personal experience with actually using OOo; my various employers have used and supplied MSO. But strongly in favor of bucking monopolies.)

Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments

2012-03-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Will this be sent out after the 15 March shutdown? Is that something to include somehow? Don On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I am working on a blog post that will feature a

Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments

2012-03-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Did you want to do a low-bandwidth version also? That graphic didn't make it through my company's firewall. Though I could view it on my phone. Don On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I am

Re: [DRAFT]: Request for an early review of an potential Apache OpenOffice release

2012-03-06 Thread Donald Whytock
Grammar-weenie-ing: We did a lot of IP clearance work to become Apache conform That sentence structure suggests compliant instead of conform, as in to become Apache-compliant. Alternately, you can say IP clearance work to conform to Apache standards or to conform to the Apache Way. --- We are

Re: selling open office

2012-02-28 Thread Donald Whytock
Since this has to do with the Apache license, is there an applicable overall Apache FAQ? Don On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: This looks like a FAQ question to me... I was going to add it myself, but found it is already there, See

Re: selling open office

2012-02-28 Thread Donald Whytock
Not a lawyer either, but I suspect that as long as the logo only represents something that actually is a verbatim copy of an Apache product it could be passed off as attribution. The problem comes when it's used to identify something that isn't Apache, such as the price on the CD, the site the CD

Re: Updates: IBM Lotus Symphony, Apache OpenOffice, IBM Docs and other fun stuff

2012-01-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 1/25/12 9:35 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: Everyone participates in an Open Source project for various reasons, some may be their own and some may be employers and all do it for some form of reward whether it be

Re: Sopa

2012-01-18 Thread Donald Whytock
As much as it would make a helluva statement, there's people out there who might really need to get the latest security patch of some Apache product right now. Acting responsibly is part of the burden of being the good guys. It's why the bad guys sometimes win. Don

Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner

2012-01-18 Thread Donald Whytock
This showed up on Yahoo today... http://news.yahoo.com/wikipedia-editors-sites-blackout-120914984.html Apparently some feel that Wikipedia shouldn't take any political stands at all...that it sets a bad precedent and potentially damages its reputation. Me, I think Wikipedia isn't taking a

Re: Holiday Greetings...

2011-12-27 Thread Donald Whytock
May I offer Agnostica, from the webcomic Nukees? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostica#Agnostica http://www.nukees.com I personally like the festive Moebius chains. Don

Re: Team OpenOffice White Label Office (powered by Apache Open Office)

2011-12-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:  2. I then wondered if white label had some other, independent significance.  Indeed it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-label_product.  And here too: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/white_label.  

Re: old colored vs new monochrome icons

2011-12-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: That is no help for simply wanting to see what the icons look like. I see a file with an incredible number of icons in it and I don't want to have to decode a patch to figure out what is happening.  I just want

Re: Help wanted for a better Help Wanted

2011-12-01 Thread Donald Whytock
OpenHatch looks good. In fact, I'm surprised there aren't other Apache projects in there already. MediaWiki is listed there, and is explicitly asking for translators. Seems like a good example for OOo to follow. Don

Re: (Draft) Email forwarding public announcement

2011-12-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Note this is draft. But I'd like to see if I'm heading in the right direction. Looks good. Very clear; pretty much handles ...But nobody TOLD me! Grammarweenie: - have been able to migrate - has been able to migrate

Re: Business models that will not work [was: Re: Can we update our migration status table?]

2011-11-28 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Perhaps there are other good business models? The last stick version of Ubuntu I grabbed included LO already installed. So...bundle feature? Don

Re: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums

2011-11-15 Thread Donald Whytock
Nice effort put into this. Some grammar-weenie-ings and thoughts... -- including of ones own posts should be including of one's own posts. -- Forum operation More-experienced should be Forum operation. More-experienced. -- The Forums embrace all of the descendants of the original

Re: OOo Business...

2011-11-10 Thread Donald Whytock
I'd suggest the email form, as Louis suggests, especially if said email has to go to ooo-private, as Rob said. (Rule one is, we don't talk about ooo-private...) It can be at the end of, or linked to from, a FAQ. Simple and quick for the user, and can include a subject tag for easy identification

Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list

2011-11-08 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: As a compromise, what about to create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org  ? We could certainly move all the name-calling there... At the moment, though, policy issues, legal issues and the like are still development issues simply

Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list

2011-11-08 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote:  In OOo-land, discuss list conversations were often initiated (if not always) by non-developers expressing wishes, comments, complaints or other OT stuff, though that latter was limited. Developers intervened and

Re: request

2011-11-02 Thread Donald Whytock
2011/11/2 Łukasz Janik ljani...@wp.pl: Please translate the page http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/, in various languages, including Polish, and the official site in apache openoffice after incubator Interesting point. Do any Apache pages have translations? Is the Apache

Re: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance

2011-10-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Peter Pöml pe...@poeml.de wrote: The page should list all essential requirements. http://mirrorbrain.org/requirements/ Does MirrorBrain allow downloaders to specify the mirror they want to use? I didn't see that as a feature. This is necessary for people

Re: Draft mailing list notification post

2011-10-25 Thread Donald Whytock
is migrate the many legacy - is migrating the many legacy on to Apache servers - onto Apache servers Aside from that, it looks good to me, though I wonder if the opening paragraph sounds a little Nigerian. Don

Re: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance

2011-10-24 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: @List: Has anybody an idea about where to host this service? It doesn't need to be necessarily inside the ASF. The Pirate Bay? Lend them some legitimacy? :) More seriously, on the risk of being off-topic, has

Re: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance

2011-10-24 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Oct 2011, at 00:23, Donald Whytock wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: @List: Has anybody an idea about where to host this service? It doesn't need to be necessarily

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a confirmation email, to f...@bar.com, in English: This would seem to be better than simply subscribing everyone silently...making it effectively an opt-in cross

Re: Clarification on treatment of weak copyleft components

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: There is no intent to hoard.  From talking to developers on this project I get the sense that they want to upstream patches more than was done previously.  But contributing a patch is no guarantee that it will be integrated by

Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists

2011-10-17 Thread Donald Whytock
Perhaps add to that list of actions a notice on the OOo page? Don

Re: We're on slashdot!

2011-10-14 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I've read through the German materials at the site and, while Google Translator does stumble, the gist of it is pretty clear.  This has all the appearance of an over-the-top plea to fund 4 guys to save

Re: We're on slashdot!

2011-10-14 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Oct 14, 2011 7:04 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Is it even four guys?  They list five title-related email addresses and give the same phone number five times.  If I didn't know Team OO existed before now

Re: Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2) We could do a variation on #1, but where we sign up existing list subscribers automatically. Pro:  Transparent from subscribers view.  Not too hard for us. Con: Is this permitted, given data protection laws, legacy website

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Other areas where we could use some volunteer leadership: 5) wiki master 6) bugzilla master 7) web master IP master? Coordinating the re-licensing process, looking at external packages linked to, and being the go-to for

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I would hope that Don's first activity will be to define a consistent message from AOOo. Once defined any project member should, in theory, be able to contribute to ensure the message gets out. How about starting

Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster

2011-10-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I have not found any visible place where Incubator PPMC rosters can be found automatically. I think it would be a good idea to have such a roster visible to the public and, especially, this list. You might want to

Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster

2011-10-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to migrate/extend this discussion to imcubator general.  We've been working on a standard podlings XML file that would be used in webpage generation.  A standard per-podling XML file of, among other

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for October 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-10-03 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote: Marketing is not simply about pr, spin and glossy pamphlets. But I like glossy pamphlets. They add color to my cubicle. How about status/progress regarding IP resolution, as that's a graduation requirement? Don

Re: Top posting is bad

2011-09-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2011, at 17:27, Ian Lynch wrote: It's amazing how such small things can cause such controversy and angst. It's a sign of culture clash, in my view, rather than an issue in itself. There's probably a

Re: LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice.org one year later

2011-09-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Or are you saying that this is a point of a confusion that a journalist might have who is not familiar with how development works? It might be a point of confusion for a journalist who titles an article LibreOffice and Apache

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-09-13 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The current committers are not equipped to fully resource the migration of OpenOffice.org sites and services under Apache OOo incubation.  Preservation of the Wiki is in doubt because of resource and support

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-09-13 Thread Donald Whytock
I'd like to suggest this be more detailed, so it's clear where the problems are. That way it's easier to determine what ASF can provide that isn't provided already. The current committers are not equipped to fully resource the migration of OpenOffice.org sites and services under Apache OOo

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-09-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: OpenOffice is probably a special case wrt patents and that's a special strength behind the Apache License so I think it's good in case of big contributions (like IBM's) to have such a document but otherwise I don't

Re: Real names (was: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project)

2011-09-06 Thread Donald Whytock
There's also the good old I don't want my boss to see how much time I spend here. But for me that's my Facebook ID. The Apache community is where I want to be seen. Don

Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

2011-09-02 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Do you really want to discuss a users behavior in public? Wow, I really don't want to do that. I strongly believe that only a few people would discuss another guys behavior in public. It happens. In fact it

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-02 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd rather not file false information with the government.  Of course, you are welcome to do so, if you think the need is urgent. Can I cite that in my next indictment? Don

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Following the instructions[3], step 1 is to work out whether OOo has any unusual cryptography beyond ECCN 5D002, which is: blockquote

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Windows is 90% of the users (saddly true) and if somebody is interested, I can upload a build somewhere (if successfull, of course). Why sadly? I thought half the point of OOo was to be an alternative to MS Office. The Linux

Re: Lazy consensus template

2011-08-30 Thread Donald Whytock
-1. Kung-fu is overkill; straightfoward gymnastics are sufficient and less brand-specific. Also, New Orleans special sauce is a more established standard. On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: There is a good description of Lazy Consensus on the Apache community

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-30 Thread Donald Whytock
How much disk space are we talking for a build? Could a thumb-drive Linux install handle it? Don

Re: [migration] Decision making

2011-08-25 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: But again, objections must be from committers, backed with technical arguments and the willingness to implement alternatives. The Apache voting policy page you linked agrees that binding votes are from committers, and that all

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-24 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:26 PM, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: How well could forum code provide email-like interaction for the providers? E.g., Email for new topics / comments of interest; link for fast reply entry. Email /for/ entry? Some of this is probably available already.

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Donald Whytock
Just a couple centavos... Some companies' firewalls block social sites. Aside from obvious targets like Facebook and Myspace, automatic categorizers like IronPort will flag sites that say anything about blogs, forums, community, etc. At one office, Springsource.org was blocked for me for the

Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org

2011-08-19 Thread Donald Whytock
Sorry, thought someone said there was spam on dev@ooo? So subscribing this list to that will bring spam here? Don On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: 5) Subscribe this ooo-dev list to d...@openoffice.org and do proper group   replies (manually...)   One must

Re: How does BizDev fit in at Apache?

2011-08-18 Thread Donald Whytock
Apache Camel seems to not talk directly about outside services, products, vendors, etc. as part of its site per se. It does, though, allow people to link to outside articles that document or demonstrate Camel features; these outside sites can advertise all they want, once people get to them.

Re: [Identifying Contributors][DISCUSS] (was RE: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? ... )

2011-08-15 Thread Donald Whytock
Ideally you'd be able to send a unique code to people on the old lists, similar to the confirmation code sent to subscribers here, that took them to a form for subscribing to Apache lists by entering a new email address or confirming the old one. I think someone said importing the subscriber list

Re: test message - please ignore

2011-08-04 Thread Donald Whytock
There are many places where this is an open invitation to derision, sarcasm and childishness. Good thing we don't have any of that here. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Carl Marcum cmar...@apache.org wrote: test message - please ignore I need to check if my mail is getting to the list.

Re: How to handle the downloads?

2011-08-02 Thread Donald Whytock
A consideration...I for one have a need to be able to select my mirror. My office's firewall blocks certain domains and websites, especially those recognized as hosting or file-sharing sites. It does not, however, block .edu sites, so when I download an Apache product I select a university

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members

2011-06-24 Thread Donald Whytock
Is the PMC for a podling different from the PMC for the resulting project? Should it be? Or should the PPMC simply roll into their new role as a PMC? Don On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Since almost all of us are new to Apache we're learning a lot about

Re: Native Language vs l10n

2011-06-17 Thread Donald Whytock
How about language-spanning yet language-specific features such as right-to-left characters, multi-key characters, etc? Would this sort of requirement or issue area potentially start in a language group, get bumped to dev, and then propogated out to the language groups to test and feedback on?