Re: [EXT] MySQL SDBC Connector
2012.10.12. 15:21 keltezéssel, Ariel Constenla-Haile írta: On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 10:50:21PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, I managed to build the MySQL Connector extension and make it work on * CentOS 5.8 32 and 64 bits * Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 32 and 64 bits * Fedora 15 32 bits and 17 64 bits * Windows XP 32 bits * Windows 7 64 bits (arch. does not matter on Win, AOO is a 32 bits application) You can find the extension binaries on http://people.apache.org/~arielch/extensions/aoo-my-sdbc/ These are supposed to be universal builds, that is, run on every Windows version, and Linux distro (Linux base is CentOS 5 with glibc 2.5). Everyone is welcome to test if they work on their systems; by work I mean it does not crash, I didn't fix any of the existing issues, it was just a try-to-build-it (for now). I also managed to build the Report Builder: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/extensions/ReportBuilder.oxt It is Good news :) You plan to work on bug fixes in report builder? Zoltan and started fixing the PostgreSQL driver. @Andrew: is there any chance to get that code contributed under the Apache License? http://www.openoffice.org/dba/drivers/postgresql/index.html#source I couldn't find anywhere where the old cvs repor has gone; I've an old copy of the sources, they all have Sun license headers, so I guess they were transfered to Oracle. Regards
Report builder (was:Re: [EXT] MySQL SDBC Connector)
2012.10.12. 16:29 keltezéssel, Ariel Constenla-Haile írta: Hi Zlotan, On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 04:17:46PM +0200, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: 2012.10.12. 15:21 keltezéssel, Ariel Constenla-Haile írta: On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 10:50:21PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, I managed to build the MySQL Connector extension and make it work on * CentOS 5.8 32 and 64 bits * Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 32 and 64 bits * Fedora 15 32 bits and 17 64 bits * Windows XP 32 bits * Windows 7 64 bits (arch. does not matter on Win, AOO is a 32 bits application) You can find the extension binaries on http://people.apache.org/~arielch/extensions/aoo-my-sdbc/ These are supposed to be universal builds, that is, run on every Windows version, and Linux distro (Linux base is CentOS 5 with glibc 2.5). Everyone is welcome to test if they work on their systems; by work I mean it does not crash, I didn't fix any of the existing issues, it was just a try-to-build-it (for now). I also managed to build the Report Builder: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/extensions/ReportBuilder.oxt It is Good news :) You plan to work on bug fixes in report builder? I'm not sure yet, because studying/debugging the Java stuff may not be that fun; on the other hand, working on the MySQL and the PostgreSQL drivers has been really nice :) (I had to study-by-debugging the MySQL/Connector C++, Connector C, and even parts of glibc to find out why localhost connections didn't work on Linux). The Report Builder, in its current state, seems to work fine on Windows, on Linux I see mixing results, depending on the distro. Unser windows I tested works in most cases. Only thing which not works, the charts, if you open report with chart included it is fails with error: Failed to parse the report - possibly caused by changes in Chart, which not followed in report buider. I could sen my test database with chart in reports, to see that. Best regards, Zoltan Regards
Re: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
[X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Zoltan 2012.10.05. 1:41 keltezéssel, Andrew Rist írta: This is a call for vote on selecting the PMC Chair the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] the Apache OpenOffice podling needs to select a PMC to be listed in the TLP resolution. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. The balloting will be until UTC midnight Sunday, 7 October: 2012-10-07T24:00Z. [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note: Andrea has accepted the nomination - Drew has not responded. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel [2]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3E [3]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%3E
Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC
+1 Zoltan 2012.10.02. 0:38 keltezéssel, Andrew Rist írta: This is a call for vote on selecting the following list as the starting membership for the Apache OpenOffice PMC, to be listed in the TLP resolution. The voting is for the entire slate as listed. Apache OpenOffice PMC Starting Membership: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Dave Fisher (wave) Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Ian Lynch (ingotian) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Marcus Lange (marcus) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Peter Junge (pj) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Regina Henschel (regina) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) The balloting will be until UTC midnight Thursday, 4 October: 2012-10-04T24:00Z. Approval requires a majority of +1 over -1 votes cast by members of the PPMC. [ ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: The [DISCUSS] for this vote was enthusiastically in favor. There were no concerns expressed other than issues with the timeframe of discussions, which were suitably extended. (note: All members of this list, except for Drew and Raphael, accepted their nomination to this list. I have left Drew and Raphael on the list as neither declined, and they still have the ability to decline later)
Re: Some stats and observations on OpenOffice upgrades
2012.09.25. 21:06 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: I've been looking at the upgrade numbers, the downloads that are triggered from upgrade notifications in the OpenOffice client. Although we are not tracking how many times such notifications pop up in the OpenOffice client we do know from Google Analytics how many users click the link to get more information on the update, and how many of these users actually download the upgrade. The trends have been pretty steady, a slight peak when a release is initially made, but a lingering steady state of upgrade requests even several weeks later. For example, let's look at the status for a single day, last Wednesday, Sept. 19th. On that date we had 164,752 total downloads of AOO. Of those downloads, it looks like 54% of them come from upgrading users. The remainder are either from new users, or existing users that went to the website directly rather than from an upgrade notification. (No easy way of distinguishing these two). The interesting thing is the breakdown by OpenOffice client version. For the upgrade installs on Sept 19th we see: 31% of upgrades were from AOO 3.4.0 52% of upgrades were from OOo 3.3.0 15% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.1 3% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.0 Note the OOo 3.3.0 numbers. Nearly 4 months after AOO 3.4 was released we are still getting large numbers of OOo 3.3.0 users receiving and responding to upgrade notifications, nearly 20,000/day. I'm not sure how to explain this. Upgrade notifications should surface once a week. Maybe: A) Some users are sporadically connected to the internet and the upgrade check rarely is successful B) Some users ignore/defer the upgrade notifications until a later time, in some cases months later Some features not supported in AOO 3.4.x especially, the report builder not developed any more, and Base users meet problems with reports containing charts. For this reason they after upgrade to AOO 3.4.x downgrade back az least one computer in companies to OOo 3.3 for report creating, and not care about update warning. And waiting for solution, and we can not provide them real solution, It is from forum posts (LibO no solutions for them, because their report builder has different bugs, which prevent from daily work.) Zoltan C) Some user run OpenOffice rarely, sometimes at an interval of several months D) Someone, some web site, some organization, etc., is still distributing OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 to users, and after they install they get the AOO upgrade notification. If D), this is somewhat a concern, since users running OOo 3.3.0 are exposed to several security flaws. -Rob
[Bugzilla ADMINS] Remove the MySQL Connector/OOo from bugzilla
Hi, As part of the moving of MySQL native sdbc driver from AOO to AOO-extras: http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/aoo-my-sdbc/ I reviewed all bugs relating to native driver, closed as wontfix here, all unconfirmed or confirmed bugs with related to native driver. During the review process I removed the MySQL Connector/OOo label and set as none, if the bug was connected to other part of AOO Base, and not connected the MySQL native driver. Created new issues on AOO-extras which I found as not solved: See issues from 2 to 6: http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/aoo-my-sdbc/issues/list Now I finished this work, MySQL Connector/OOo needs to make unselectable when you submiting a new bug. Please do it. Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [EXT] MySQL SDBC Connector
Hi Ariael, Hi Li Feng Wang, I tested on win7 32bit with localhost no problems for me with this connector. Can connect create and use queries, forms, etc. I connected to Mysql 5.1 and 5.5 servers. 2012.09.07. 5:09 keltezéssel, Ariel Constenla-Haile írta: Hi Li Feng Wang, On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 10:26:57AM +0800, Li Feng Wang wrote: I test it on Windows XP 32bits, just connect to local MySQL directly. It have no crash. thanks for testing it :) But it list all databases, not only my specified database name. I don't know whether it is a existing issue. I couldn't find an issue number, but it's reproducible with Oracle's build from http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector I'm not find it, may be it is not there, but you can search for MySQL native driver development information and known bugs on wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Overview http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Beta/Known_Issues http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Known_Problems It's strange that the extension is not listed on bugzilla when you select Product: extensions. The extension is listed on MySQL site http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/ so maybe bugs where reported there... I'll have to investigate. Bugzilla you can search for mysql connector issues in advanced search select database connection in product field, then you can select MySQL Connector/OOo in component field. Regards, Zoltan Regards
Re: [EXT] MySQL SDBC Connector
Hi Jürgen, Ariel, 2012.09.07. 10:51 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: On 9/7/12 9:40 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Reizinger, On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 08:20:43AM +0200, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: But it list all databases, not only my specified database name. I don't know whether it is a existing issue. I couldn't find an issue number, but it's reproducible with Oracle's build from http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector I'm not find it, may be it is not there, but you can search for MySQL native driver development information and known bugs on wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Overview http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Beta/Known_Issues http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/Known_Problems I had found this only one issue, it seemed too little ;) http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Database/Drivers/MySQL_Native/1.0/Known_Issues It's strange that the extension is not listed on bugzilla when you select Product: extensions. The extension is listed on MySQL site http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/ so maybe bugs where reported there... I'll have to investigate. Bugzilla you can search for mysql connector issues in advanced search select database connection database access was the field name. in product field, then you can select MySQL Connector/OOo in component field. There are 31: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamednamedcmd=mysqlconn-ooo I will upload the source code in Apache Extras - or plain Google Code (the extension cannot be built here at AOO because it must build and ship the MySQL Connector/C and Connector/C++, both GPL); Google Code has a bug report feature, so I may add the reproducible bugs there. I agree that makes probably most sense I'm not sure what to do with those bugs in AOO bugzilla, because, in the case that I'll fix some bugs (and I'm not sure about it, I do this in my spare time, so I invest time in coding as far as it's fun), in that case I don't plan to commit code in AOO source tree under trunk/main/mysqlc: after IP clearance with revision 1201714 the code only works with MySQL system libraries, so that it can be considered dead code, and archived. we can keep the issues in bugzilla for reference at the moment but probably it make sense to mark them won't be fixed with an appropriate comment that the code is not maintained here at Apache and point to the new location. And of course close them. I will do the bugs move to Google code work, when Ariel created the new place for it, and I will close bugs in bugzilla. Zoltan Juergen
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
2012.08.21. 18:40 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0. To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can help us gather and rate ideas: https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5 A few project members have already seeded this with some initial ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones. We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others to rate and comment on it. Regards, -Rob In old days around 2008-2009 we made similar brainstorming on OOo Base features, and we put all ideas into wiki page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Base/Features/Pool It is a wild ideas list not prioritized most of them valid for present state of Base. Regards, Zoltan
Re: Something wrong on SF download statistics
2012.08.20. 15:45 keltezéssel, Dave Brondsema írta: Hi, SourceForge engineer here. The platform stats within each country only began in June. So that's why they don't add up to the total. The total is correct. Thanks for the clarification Zoltan I'll see if we can clarify that somehow on the page. -Dave On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.huwrote: Hi all, I looked around of SF download site, to write Hungarian download statistics in a blog post. I checked the AOO 3.4.0 data from here: http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/** files/stats/map?dates=2012-05-**08+to+2012-08-19http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/map?dates=2012-05-08+to+2012-08-19 Hungary in the 28th place. If I sum up all platform download numbers, I get 44786, the Total is 57,235. The difference is 12 499. Maybe some bug in creation of this statistics? Regards, Zoltan
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
2012.08.19. 17:52 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then we continue by drafting a charter, submitting it for IPMC endorsement, and then to the ASF Board for final approval. Details can be found in the Guide to Successful Graduation. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. [ ] +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Apache OpenOffice community is not ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator because... Regards, -Rob [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator. Zoltan
Something wrong on SF download statistics
Hi all, I looked around of SF download site, to write Hungarian download statistics in a blog post. I checked the AOO 3.4.0 data from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/map?dates=2012-05-08+to+2012-08-19 Hungary in the 28th place. If I sum up all platform download numbers, I get 44786, the Total is 57,235. The difference is 12 499. Maybe some bug in creation of this statistics? Regards, Zoltan
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating), RC2
2012.08.15. 14:02 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). This will be our first bug fix release after the AOO 3.4 from May 8th. A further milestone to show that we deliver good and stable software with focus on quality. It will again help to continue the success of OpenOffice.org and will gain confidence in OpenOffice. This time I did not prepare a separate page to highlighting the release candidate. We had developer snapshot since several weeks and the latest one based on revision 1372282 is intended to become released if the voting succeeds. That means and to make it clear you vote here on the final release based on this snapshot build. This release is intended to be a bug fix release and to introduce some further languages: (1) 71 issues are fixed and a detailed list can be watched under http://s.apache.org/Huv. (2) 5 further languages are now officially supported: British English, Khmer, Slovenian, Slovak, and Finnish. For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes. The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 20 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) can be found on the following wiki page: hhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). The vote starts now and will be open until: Saturday, 18 August: 2012-08-18 2:00pm UTC+2. After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on gene...@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further 72 hours. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) Zoltan
Re: [TRANSLATION][3.4.1]: update Pootle server to include new string for a new warning box
2012.07.03. 15:25 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: Hi, based on the discussion relating Windows 8 readiness etc. we have identified 5 critical issues. And we have already started to work on these issues and my plan is to have them all ready for a 3.4.1 that we can decide at any time later if we want to move forward with the W8 support when we have everything in place in time. For solving one of these issues we have to introduce a new warning box which means that we have to translate a new string for 3.4.1. I have updated the Pootle server already with the new string (17 words only) and I would like to ask our translators to focus on this new string as soon as possible (ideally this week). Most important are the languages that we want release: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fi fr gl hu it ja km nl ru sl pt-BR zh-CN zh-TW and potentially sk where I have to update Pootle with the latest available updates from Michal Hriň The new string is in desktop - source - app.po See for example for French desktop.src#STR_BOOTSTRAP_ERR_MULTISESSION.string.text https://translate.apache.org/fr/OOo_34/translate.html?unitstates=fuzzy,untranslated de will be covered by myself ;-) because there is currently a problem that I don't understand and that I have to solve. To simplify the update I would prefer if the string get translated on the Pootle server. Please send me a short note when an updated or better a translation of the string is available. I will take care of the integration. If anybody have problems doing it on Pootle please let me know. Juergen The HU translation is ready. Zoltan
Re: AOO testing status update as of 2012/06/26
2012.06.26. 16:49 keltezéssel, Ji Yan írta: HI all, After AOO 3.4 release, we, QE, volunteer didn't send out weekly report to brief our activity, to make sure we are on the same page, I'll update you with our main activity and achievement: 1. Built up VCLAuto framework which has been deliver to trunk stream, anyone with Java experience is able to write test script under this framework. 2. 252 defect opened by people from IBM Symphony team which the defect doesn't exist in Symphony. 3. Confirmed 174 UNCONFIRMED issues in bugzilla. 4. Verified 184 RESOLVED issues in bugzilla 5. Work out AOO 3.4.1 test plan and put it on wiki page 6. Start AOO 3.4.1 fixed defect verification 7. AOO 3.4.1 general usage testing is ongoing. One question, how do you test AOO modules which is not in Symphony e.g the Draw and Base? Zoltan I'll keep you post with AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 testing status in next week.
Re: [VCLAuto] How to run under windows?
2012.06.25. 8:40 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: 2012/6/24 Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu: Hi, I tried to follow the wiki description: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto I successfully installed eclispse, created project, run build. No success with running test under windows 7. Please add more detailed version of running process, to wiki page. I has updated the wiki. Removed some confusing content. Added some picture to demonstrate the detail. If it still not works, pls show me the screenshot of the problem. I cleared eclipse workspace, when I import your new code from thw bugreport: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119998 The testoo not created, see screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/48546468@N00/7438663856/in/photostream/lightbox/ Zoltan I can Use VCL explorer, and see results in eclipse. How can I save the results to text file? Currently, It's not able to output the result. I can add it later. Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [VCLAuto] How to run under windows?
2012.06.25. 10:29 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: Oops! I forgot to change project name (testscript-testoo, I think testscript is too confusing). It doesn't matter. According to your screenshot, there is no problem. At next step, you need download junit.jar, put it into testscript/output/lib/junit.jar, and then refresh project. PS, I uploaded the new code. Corrected the project name. You can try the new one. Thanks, Now I can run test cases, but only with java 1.7 versions, under Windows 7. On wiki page you created screenshot, with java 1.6 settings, on preferences. When I start with 1.6.30 the test terminated: java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: testcase/SayHelloToOO : Unsupported major.minor version 51.0 at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method) at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClassCond(ClassLoader.java:631) at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:615) at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:141) at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:283) at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$000(URLClassLoader.java:58) at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:197) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:247) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.loadClass(RemoteTestRunner.java:693) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.loadClasses(RemoteTestRunner.java:429) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.runTests(RemoteTestRunner.java:452) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.runTests(RemoteTestRunner.java:683) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.run(RemoteTestRunner.java:390) at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.main(RemoteTestRunner.java:197) Zoltan 2012/6/25 Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu: 2012.06.25. 8:40 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: 2012/6/24 Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu: Hi, I tried to follow the wiki description: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto I successfully installed eclispse, created project, run build. No success with running test under windows 7. Please add more detailed version of running process, to wiki page. I has updated the wiki. Removed some confusing content. Added some picture to demonstrate the detail. If it still not works, pls show me the screenshot of the problem. I cleared eclipse workspace, when I import your new code from thw bugreport: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119998 The testoo not created, see screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/48546468@N00/7438663856/in/photostream/lightbox/ Zoltan I can Use VCL explorer, and see results in eclipse. How can I save the results to text file? Currently, It's not able to output the result. I can add it later. Thanks, Zoltan
[VCLAuto] How to run under windows?
Hi, I tried to follow the wiki description: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto I successfully installed eclispse, created project, run build. No success with running test under windows 7. Please add more detailed version of running process, to wiki page. I can Use VCL explorer, and see results in eclipse. How can I save the results to text file? Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [VCLAuto] Problems with build.xml
2012.06.21. 7:49 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: Hi Raphael Bircher, Did you run the testing successfully? I wanna get some feedback to improve it. I tried to run tests, but I can not start it. The build run OK. When I try to configure the Junit for testscript/src/testcase/SayHelloToOO.java, I can add VM arguments, but the test class is empty and I can not add any value to it. When I add to class test, I get error messeage: Can not find test class 'test' in project 'AOO_test'. I tried to search on test class, the Test selection dialogbox is empty, Zoltan 2012/6/20 Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org: Hi Du Am 20.06.12 11:49, schrieb Du Jing: when you run build.xml via ant(select ant 2),please don't select test in configuration check box,only select the prepare.dependencies.Hope can help you~ Yes, it helps, thanks! Greetings Raphael
Re: [DISCUSS]Next steps for automated testing
2012.06.15. 8:31 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: Hi all, As mentioned before, I was working on a Java library to perform gui testing. Actually it has been implemented on Symphony source code. It involves 3 modules: 1. https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/symphony/trunk/main/test It contains all testing scripts. Some JUnit testcases have been written in the package testcase. Smoke testing is re-implemented based on the lib. We also developed some performance testing script, but not include in svn. 2. https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/symphony/trunk/main/testcommon It contains the low-level implementation to do GUI testing. 3. https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/symphony/trunk/main/testgui It contains the common utilities used by uno api testing and GUI testing. I also wrote one wiki page to introduce it. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto I'm not a coder, but I run the old VCLtool in past, used for translation testing, by creating screenshots from each dialog. This will be possible with new tool? I try to setup this test configuration on my win7. I can set up and build test enviroment, and could build it, but can not run the example test. Needs some more help on JUnit configuration. Which test class I can use? Regards, Zoltan I propose to do the following tasks next. 1. Migrate the library to our AOO trunk. I has successfully used it to test AOO 3.4 with some patch. symphony/trunk/main/testcommon-ooo/trunk/main/testcommon symphony/trunk/main/testgui-ooo/trunk/main/testgui symphony/trunk/main/test-ooo/trunk/main/test or ooo/trunk/main/testoo (Avoid to conflict with the test module that already exists in AOO) 2. Setup several testing machines to do build verification testing on daily build. Post the result on somewhere(e.g. wiki, or maillist) . The testing platforms includes: Windows XP Windows 7 32b/64b Mac os x Redhat Suse Ubuntu ...? (pls suggest) 3. Continue to clean up the UNO API testing. I tried to run it and found there are too many failures and some errors. I think API testing is very valuable.Ｉt is essential to revive it. Welcome to comment.
Re: Horrible update
Hi Michael, It is known bug. Workaround: Open form in edit mode, switch in View menu, between Print an Webview, save form, close form. When you open next time, the form will be correct. Zoltan 2012.06.13. 14:16 keltezéssel, Michael Adamowicz írta: Hi, I have used OpenOffice for a number of years and loved it. I have recommended it to everybody that I know. However, the 3.4.0 update to OpenOffice is terrible. It has ruined the settings on the forms that I have made using prior versions of OpenOffice. It seems to operate poorly overall. Please undo the update. I'm using Windows 7 on a Toshiba Satellite. There are no other problems with the computer or the operating system. OpenOffice was working perfectly before the update. The fault seems to be solely with the new update. So, again, please, please, please provide either a way to undo the update or a fix for the mess it makes. Thanks, Michael W. Adamowicz, LICSW, LLC http://RIpsychotherapy.com http://RIpsychotherapy.com/blog 250 Wampanoag Trail, Suite 303 East Providence, RI 02915 Office: (401) 264-0004 The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, shred any hard copies made and delete the material from any computer or storage device.
Re: fonts
Hi Frankie, 2012.06.06. 8:21 keltezéssel, frankie lee írta: Hello i want to add my native language fonts into my openoffice, from the uni instructions i need to add to font file though i cannot find a font file in openoffice. from the openoffice help i dont seem to have spadmin, searched through all program files, or i dont understand can you help OpenOffice uses fonts installed in operation system, you can add with your OS tools. Or on linux you can find in /opt/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin Zoltan frankie lee 0413602686 waterfr...@gmail.com
Re: What to do with the Czech homepage?
2012.06.03. 17:23 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 09:19 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Pavel Janíkpa...@janik.cz wrote: Not from myside. I would delete them as well. But why not ask our Czech committer. ;-) @Pavel: Could you sheet some light on the cz webpage? What do you think? Delete them, yes. -- OK. I've updated the page, added the new 3.4 links, updated the branding and cleaned up similar issue. A review is welcome, to make sure I did not introduce any language errors. Thanks. Hi Rob Looks good. One question though on this site (page now I suppose, not a site) there is a right side menu, same is on many of the other language pages. A left over I think from the old CMS system, not just embedded in the html. I checked another 8 pages with this and they all just go to 404 error page, shouldn't we (and I'll go do it today if so) just remove these? Remove, or if you know the new location of a particular link, update it. I also updated the Japanese and Hungarian pages to point to the AOO 3.4. Thaks Rob. Zoltan I noticed an immediate jump up in downloads of the Japanese AOO 3.4 when I did this. -Rob //drew
Re: [EXT]Discontinued Base extensions
2012.05.29. 15:23 keltezéssel, Roberto Galoppini írta: On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: The code the two extensions no more developed by us, due to license incompatibilities. The Oracle report builder, and the MySQL connector. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/reportdesign http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector To inform AOO 3.4 users about this situation, I added a comment to report builder, and want to add to MySQL, but the commenting not possible. How can I put some words to this extensions page? My understanding is that for some extensions comments have been disabled for spam. Should we enable comments for this extensions for good or just temporarily? By the wat, what about the other extensions with disabled comments? About how to manage this issue in a pro-active way, we could write something like: On MySQL connector page: Add some words before yours: The extensions might work with Apache OpenOffice 3.4, but development stopped. The known, not fixed bugs on Mac, on Linux 64 bit versions, make it unusable on these platforms. Use ODBC or JDBC connectors to MySQL databases. The source code for this extension was transferred to the Apache OpenOffice project in 2011. If you are interested in volunteering to develop this extension, please contact the Apache OpenOffice mailing list: ooo-dev at incubator.apache.org Thoughts? Zoltan Roberto Zoltan
[EXT]Discontinued Base extensions
The code the two extensions no more developed by us, due to license incompatibilities. The Oracle report builder, and the MySQL connector. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/reportdesign http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector To inform AOO 3.4 users about this situation, I added a comment to report builder, and want to add to MySQL, but the commenting not possible. How can I put some words to this extensions page? Zoltan
Re: Error in about aoo
2012.05.26. 13:24 keltezéssel, Albino Biasutti Neto írta: Hi. I was looking in menu Help About OOo a error in line tree after Copyright, print screen [1]. [..] %OOO_VENDO [..] It is a translation error. Probably a missing space before OOO_VENDO in translation text. Zoltan Just for me ? Could is translation. I have update the AOO 3.4 release. 1 - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=oa0hvcs=6 Albino
Re: Need confirmation on PDF export
2012.05.24. 17:28 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: Zoltán, Indeed on windows 7 it install with a setup dialog for the PDF export. the cheksum for mi install is ok , have to find a other XP machine who's is working correct on 3.3 and redo the install to find out if it was may already wrong on mi 3.3 ? any idea how i can repair this thing manualy, i supose, to change or deleteting some xcu (configuartion) files ? Ferdinand, User profile rename could help you: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426 Zoltan Greetz Fernand 2012.05.22. 16:14 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: Zoltán, I am using US Englisch, at home i have a frech install on windows 7 i check there also how do i check the install set integrity ? http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html#howto Zoltan Thanks Fernand Hi Fernand, 2012.05.22. 11:18 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: After installing 3.4 based on a 3.3 On Windows XP there is no difference between Export to PDF directly and the export with PDF-settings. For both menu items there is no PDF-settings menu. When using the Export menu item, there is only 1 choise: PDF (same as for PDF export directly) Do i file a issue ? or do i have to look else where to correct this Menu items ? In my AOO 3.4 under win7, this is works, as earlier, the FileExport to PDF opens settings dilaog. I installed such way, first unistalled OOo 3.3 than installed, AOO 3.4, and not deleted user profile. Which language version you installed, and you checked the install set integrity? Zoltan Greetz Fernand
Re: Need confirmation on PDF export
Hi Fernand, 2012.05.22. 11:18 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: After installing 3.4 based on a 3.3 On Windows XP there is no difference between Export to PDF directly and the export with PDF-settings. For both menu items there is no PDF-settings menu. When using the Export menu item, there is only 1 choise: PDF (same as for PDF export directly) Do i file a issue ? or do i have to look else where to correct this Menu items ? In my AOO 3.4 under win7, this is works, as earlier, the FileExport to PDF opens settings dilaog. I installed such way, first unistalled OOo 3.3 than installed, AOO 3.4, and not deleted user profile. Which language version you installed, and you checked the install set integrity? Zoltan Greetz Fernand
Re: Need confirmation on PDF export
2012.05.22. 16:14 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: Zoltán, I am using US Englisch, at home i have a frech install on windows 7 i check there also how do i check the install set integrity ? http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html#howto Zoltan Thanks Fernand Hi Fernand, 2012.05.22. 11:18 keltezéssel, Fernand Vanrie írta: After installing 3.4 based on a 3.3 On Windows XP there is no difference between Export to PDF directly and the export with PDF-settings. For both menu items there is no PDF-settings menu. When using the Export menu item, there is only 1 choise: PDF (same as for PDF export directly) Do i file a issue ? or do i have to look else where to correct this Menu items ? In my AOO 3.4 under win7, this is works, as earlier, the FileExport to PDF opens settings dilaog. I installed such way, first unistalled OOo 3.3 than installed, AOO 3.4, and not deleted user profile. Which language version you installed, and you checked the install set integrity? Zoltan Greetz Fernand
Re: svn commit: r1336368 - /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext
2012.05.11. 22:17 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: On May 9, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: 2012.05.09. 23:02 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: On May 9, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: I'm not programmer and try to change Hungarian site. What is the BOM? In this environment hard to me to do any useful work changing the Hungarian site to useful format. I will stop doing it. I'd like to understand how that bad character was added. You weren't the only one with the same problem and you won't be the last. What do you use to edit the mdtext files? I used win7 notepad first(it was coded as ASCII, which is wrong if I need to use accented characters, but I not was aware to this). In second case in Notepad ++ when I converted from ASCII coding to UTF-8, and I think it was correctly coded, possibly I needs to be aware to another settings, which I don't know. It no longer matters, Joe has modified the Apache CMS to accept a BOM at the beginning of these files. Regards, Dave Thanks for your effort. Zoltan Zoltan But how can I proceed to do it? I've fixed these two files for you. It looks good at www.openoffice.org/hu/. You can proceed. Regards, Dave Thanks, Zoltan 2012.05.09. 21:49 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: Same problem here - what are you using to cause BOM? On May 9, 2012, at 12:42 PM, r4z...@apache.org wrote: Author: r4zoli Date: Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 New Revision: 1336368 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1336368view=rev Log: (empty) Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext?rev=1336368r1=1336367r2=1336368view=diff == --- incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext (original) +++ incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 @@ -1,10 +1,10 @@ -home: home -search:keresés +home: home +search:keresés name: Apache OpenOffice (incubating) -tagline: (incubating) | Nyílt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag +tagline: (incubating) | NyÃlt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag logo: AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png domain: www.openoffice.org divid: bannera announce: Megjelent az Apache OpenOffice 3.4 announceurl:/hu/aoo34.html -announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést +announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést \ No newline at end of file
Re: svn commit: r1336368 - /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext
I'm not programmer and try to change Hungarian site. What is the BOM? In this environment hard to me to do any useful work changing the Hungarian site to useful format. I will stop doing it. But how can I proceed to do it? Thanks, Zoltan 2012.05.09. 21:49 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: Same problem here - what are you using to cause BOM? On May 9, 2012, at 12:42 PM, r4z...@apache.org wrote: Author: r4zoli Date: Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 New Revision: 1336368 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1336368view=rev Log: (empty) Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext?rev=1336368r1=1336367r2=1336368view=diff == --- incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext (original) +++ incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 @@ -1,10 +1,10 @@ -home: home -search:keresés +home: home +search:keresés name: Apache OpenOffice (incubating) -tagline: (incubating) | Nyílt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag +tagline: (incubating) | NyÃlt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag logo: AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png domain: www.openoffice.org divid: bannera announce: Megjelent az Apache OpenOffice 3.4 announceurl:/hu/aoo34.html -announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést +announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést \ No newline at end of file
Re: svn commit: r1336368 - /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext
2012.05.09. 23:02 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: On May 9, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: I'm not programmer and try to change Hungarian site. What is the BOM? In this environment hard to me to do any useful work changing the Hungarian site to useful format. I will stop doing it. I'd like to understand how that bad character was added. You weren't the only one with the same problem and you won't be the last. What do you use to edit the mdtext files? I used win7 notepad first(it was coded as ASCII, which is wrong if I need to use accented characters, but I not was aware to this). In second case in Notepad ++ when I converted from ASCII coding to UTF-8, and I think it was correctly coded, possibly I needs to be aware to another settings, which I don't know. Zoltan But how can I proceed to do it? I've fixed these two files for you. It looks good at www.openoffice.org/hu/. You can proceed. Regards, Dave Thanks, Zoltan 2012.05.09. 21:49 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta: Same problem here - what are you using to cause BOM? On May 9, 2012, at 12:42 PM, r4z...@apache.org wrote: Author: r4zoli Date: Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 New Revision: 1336368 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1336368view=rev Log: (empty) Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Modified: incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext?rev=1336368r1=1336367r2=1336368view=diff == --- incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext (original) +++ incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/hu/brand.mdtext Wed May 9 19:42:28 2012 @@ -1,10 +1,10 @@ -home: home -search:keresés +home: home +search:keresés name: Apache OpenOffice (incubating) -tagline: (incubating) | Nyílt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag +tagline: (incubating) | NyÃlt és ingyenes irodai programcsomag logo: AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png domain: www.openoffice.org divid: bannera announce: Megjelent az Apache OpenOffice 3.4 announceurl:/hu/aoo34.html -announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést +announcetip: Olvassa el a bejelentést \ No newline at end of file
Re: [URGENT] Broken download link
2012.05.08. 16:09 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: On 5/8/12 3:54 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: The download binaries link from http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ is broken I don't see the problem, it works for me. Can somebody else confirm the problem ... But the transfered link to http://www.openoffice.org/download/ sugest OOo 3.3, you can only download 3.4 from Get more patforms link. Zoltan Juergen
Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week
Hi Rob, 2012.04.30 21:41 időpontban Rob Weir ezt írta: The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners: Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage I volunteer for Hungarian page, modified wiki Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and subpages (pescetti) Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!) What needs to be done? We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be changed to support the AOO 3..4 release. Changes to consider: 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org - Apache OpenOffice) 2) Updates to download location, for the 3.4 releases instead of the 3.3 release 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 License 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need to be replaced by the new Apache email lists. 5) Other similar changes. You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages. But we should refresh the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release. Timeline looks like this: -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the new download websites. -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make public announcement So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of this week. However, we should not make them be live on the production server until after the mirrors are populated. Maybe easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into BZ? Any other ideas? My problem with the downloaded files from svn, which one needs to be changed? My problem is that the old Hungarian OOo site contains files which was manually customized, the content and layout not match to the English site. How can I proceed, I download En site from svn and translate it, and upload to Hungarian part of svn? How can I check my work, I'm an only Hungarian in PPMC? Zoltan Any volunteers? -Rob
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
2012.04.21. 2:58 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating). This will be the first incubator release for Apache OpenOffice and a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.org. This release candidate provides the following important key changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) Code clean up to remove all copyleft components and external dependencies (2) Reworked or introduced LICENSE and NOTICE file to reflect and document the used licenses of the code itself as well as of external 3rd party libraries (3) MD5, SHA1, SHA512 hashes and GPG signatures for all of artifacts For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/aoo-34-release-notes.html. The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 16 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+%28incubating%29+Release+Candidate Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating). The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC midnight Wednesday, 25 April: 2012-04-25 24:00 UTC. After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on gene...@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further 72 hours. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... +1 (PPMC) Zoltan
[Bugzilla] AOO 3.4RC version in bugzilla
Please create AOO 3.4RC in bugzilla versions field. Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [WWW] Translating branding and navigation
Hi, Please make hu next. Thanks, Zoltan 2012.04.11 17:47 időpontban Dave Fisher ezt írta: Hi - es, de, nl, fi, pt-br, ru, and ja are now setup for committers to make translations to brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext. I still have the question about Chinese / zh split regarding traditional / simplified (Taiwan / Mainland) Next languages? cs, hu? Please respond for the next NL set. brand.mdtext === home: home search: search name: Apache OpenOffice (incubating) tagline:(incubating) | The Free and Open Productivity Suite logo: AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png domain: www.openoffice.org divid: bannera topnav.mdtext divid: topnava - [Product][m0] - [Download][m1] - [Support][m2] - [Extend][m3] - [Develop][m4] - [Focus Areas][m5] - [Native Language][m6] [m0]: /product/index.html Apache OpenOffice product description [m1]: /download/index.html Download OpenOffice.org [m2]: /support/index.html Find Support for OpenOffice.org [m3]: /extensions/index.html Extensions and Templates for OpenOffice [m4]: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html Get involved in Apache OpenOffice (incubating) [m5]: /projects/accepted.html Apache OpenOffice development focus areas [m6]: /projects/native-lang.html Apache OpenOffice in your Native Language Regards, Dave On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Andrea, On Apr 7, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/04/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: Here is what you would do to effect all of the FR site at once for translated branding and navigation buttons: Thanks for the detailed instructions, that should definitely be put on the wiki. I tried to apply them to the IT site: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1310806 Everything seems OK, but I can't see the changes at http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/it/ or http://www.openoffice.org/it/ I think that there was a hiccup with the CMS. Joe asked that you trigger your build again. I went ahead and added the files for French. I also made a change to a comment in ooo-site/trunk/lib/view.pm. This is a trick that will cause the staging build to do a full build causing all of the IT and FR sites to be changed to the new SSI. (1) Create trunk/templates/fr/ssi.mdtext from templates/ssi.mdtext ... Change /brand.mdtext to /fr/brand.html Change /topnav.mdtext to /fr/topnav.mdtext I did this, just replacing fr - it. (2) Copy /trunk/content/brand.mdtext from content/brand.mdtext Here I actually copied content/brand.mdtext to content/it/brand.mdtext (which is probably what you meant) and edited accordingly. (3) Copy /trunk/content/topnav.mdtext from content/topnav.mdtext Same as (2). Commit all three changes at once and the whole of the FR part of the site takes these changes at once. O(1) operation. I committed, the build was triggered and succeeded but I don't see the changes. The trick with lib/view.pm may be required. If you would like I'll create the mdtext files and then you can translate. This would probably be helpful to all native-lang projects, since even those not familiar with SVN could simply submit the translated version of their mdtext files. Yes, but I want to wait until we do a couple and make sure all the proper details are covered. We may be adding a news.mdtext and index.mdtext for the main index page, but that will be a separate thread of work. And it is not a reason to wait. I'll look into doing it for many NLs this week. Here is a list of the next NLs to setup: es, de, nl, fi, pt-br, ru, ja This scheme only goes a single directory level deep. Is a single translation viable for both zh_cn and zh_tw? If not then the two sites will need to be separated. I want to be careful how that is done. Regards, Dave Regards, Andrea.
[Pootle server] Server not responding
Hi all, I try to finish Help (Hungarian) translation, when I log in into the server it seems working. But when I submit a translation, in most cases I need to wait for the server response more than a minute or the page hang at all. When log into again seems normal until I not submit a new translation. Regards, Zoltan
Re: [TRANSLATION]: collecting status
2012.03.22. 18:36 keltezéssel, Risto Jääskeläinen írta: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [orwittm...@googlemail.com] kirjoitti: Hi Risto, On 21.03.2012 23:12, Risto Jääskeläinen wrote: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [orwittm...@googlemail.com] kirjoitti: Hi, I have setup a wiki page in order to provide/collect the status of the translation of specific languages [1]. I also linked this wiki page from our AOO 3.4 Release Plan cwiki page [2]. Does it makes sense to have such a wiki page? If yes, please provide further data/information. Please provide further data/information. Initially I put in the following data from my memory: -- As far as I know the strings for the user interface for Portuguese (Brazilian) are complete (currently not reflected on the Pootle server, but in the svn repository) - I do not the status for the help for Portuguese (Brazilian). -- Zoltan stated in a post that the user interface strings for Hungarian are also complete, but I do not know, if some of this work is lost due to the fact that the Pootle server was not up to date. -- I have see work on Finnish - issue 119066. It looks like that not all survived the Pootle server update. I have reopened the issue in order to indicate that a review is needed. Thanks. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_AOO_3.4_-_Status [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Release+Plan Thanks in advance, Oliver. Hello! I just check some new missing Finnish translation lines in Pootle (chart2 / source / controller / dialogs.po) and it seems to me normal situation: those missing translations are for new lines of version 3.4 and there is not yet Finnish translations for them. And overall amount for new lines is quite normal for new version I think. So there are no need anything else than translation work. I am going to send my CLA to Apache. I think I can translate some lines as nobody or offline? Thanks for the feedback. I hope you did not look into the Pootle server projects Apache OpenOffice (Incubating) or Apache OpenOffice (INcubating) Help Files. These projects shall not be used. At least the translation of the help for Finnish which is found in issue 119066 is not available in project Apache OpenOffice 3.4.x Help Files. Thx again, Oliver. Now there is line for 3.4 help file too on page https://translate.apache.org/fi/ I can confirm that all Finnish text are missing. This is not normal. Regards Risto The Hungarian Help files in same state: empty. Earlier state was 98% done, in incubating help files. The UI stings I finished for Apache OpenOfficce 3.4.x, excluding basic/source/app.po which is a VCLTestool po file. Regards, Zoltan
[Pootle][Translation] Why needs to translate VCLTesttool strings?
Hi, My second question to translation: The po file /basic/source/app.po contains strings to VCLTesttools. Why it needs to be translated? IIRC we decided not to use VCLTesttool in QA work, because we not want to use it, and no one want to learn BASIC. Regards, Zoltan
[Pootle] Finished HU language UI translation
Hi, I just fished missing tranlslation of UI strings, in pootle. Please use this for next developers release of HU langpack. I keep working on help files. Regards, Zoltan
Templates site link from OOo
Hi, The SourceForge help was big when they migrated the templates site. The full redirction from templates.services.openoffice.org to new place will be happen? When I click on More templates in OOo 3.3/AOO 3.4m1 template manager window, the links bring me to the address: http://templates.services.openoffice.org/?cid=923508 and get error message: This space is managed by SourceForge.net. You have attempted to access a URL that either never existed or is no longer active. Please check the source of your link and/or contact the maintainer of the link to have them update their records. This can be solved? Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [RELEASE]: release platforms, products and languages
2012.02.28. 11:13 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: Hi all, I just wanted to clarify what we want or plan to release. Platforms = I plan to release Windows, Linux, MacOS FreeBSD is handled separately directly form the BSD guys Solaris, I am unclear about the current status. I saw the developer snapshots but haven't test it on my own because I have no Solaris machine nor a VM right now. but I noticed that the build are prepared with --disable-mozilla which will disable some important features. If we want release it we should build with the pre-built mozilla libs and should test it. Products For the developer snapshots we built an English and a multilingual version + various language packs. For our first final release I would like to provide at least full install set for the languages that we have already supported for the dev snapshots and potentially more language packs for other languages on demand and we have check the translations Languages = en-US de fr es it ja zh-CN pt-BR nl More languages packs when we have verified the translations and when we have volunteers who are interested to test these languages. Means we need volunteers from the local communities who are able to test these languages. When we see enough support we can also provide full install sets. We have to figure that out over time. I am not sure right now. If I know correctly the OOo 3.4Beta all UI strings was translated in Hungarian version, when I tested it not found any problems. Needs to be checked in HU version of AOO 3.4 or in langpack, that the changes not caused any UI problems. I try to organise the HU langpack testing, but most HU OOo project went to the LibO. I can test on win and linux platform. Please build HU langpack, too. Zoltan
Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge
2012.02.26. 12:24 keltezéssel, RGB ES írta: 2012/2/26 RGB ESrgb.m...@gmail.com: The new site is working very well: logged in, download some extensions, no problem at all! Many thanks for the work! Just a general question: is it possible to redirect the old address to the new one? As someone noticed on the forums(1), the old address is build-in on OOo so anyone trying to get more extensions online or even download more dictionaries from OOo UI will not be able to understand what's going on. BTW, the new address is advertised on the ES, EN, IT and (thanks to Floris V) Dutch forums. Of course this happend on HU forum, too: http://user.services.openoffice.org/hu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12t=1157 Zoltan (1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=222419#p222419 A forum member filled a bug report about this problem: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118976
Re: Plan to deliver the GUI test Java library on the next release
Hi, I'm interested in this tool, but I'm not a programmer, I can describe me as power user, and I did some QA on database part of OOo. This tool can be used by non programmers? I used the VCL tool in past, with the predefined tests, never created new tests. The new tool difficulty level will be same as the VCL test tool and, I can use it without deep java programming knowledge. I can use Eclipse or Netbeans on basic level. Thanks, Zoltan 2012.02.22. 10:11 keltezéssel, Zhe Liu írta: Hi, As mentioned before, I plan to replace VCL TestTool with a Java library for GUI testing. I wrote a wiki page to describe it a little bit. I want to know how the community think about it, so I can adjust its design early. Thanks!
[Bugzilla]Add AOO 3.4 to bugzilla version
Hi, As a new versions started to build from source, needs to add Bugzilla Version field the AOO 3.4 + version number or whatever you think about fit to the this place. The versions which you now can select all OOo older and developer versions. The latest is OOo 3.4Beta which I use, but it is not good label for AOO versions, because it is two different thing. In past when new version was built, the new DEV version added to bugzilla versions, to ease find a bug in builds source, if you find only in specific version or from specific version. Regards, Zoltan
Re: Configure error on FreeBSD with report builder extension
The report builder extension needs for Base users. Which way we can keep it running? Zoltan 2012.02.05. 19:09 keltezéssel, Pedro Giffuni írta: Hi Maho; Yes, the report builder extension and the wordperfect filter are mostly dead for AOO. Pedro. --- Dom 5/2/12, Maho NAKATAm...@apache.org ha scritto: ... Now I seem to understand... looks like licensing change; related jar files might not compatible with Apache license. thanks Nakata Maho From: Maho NAKATAm...@apache.org Subject: Configure error on FreeBSD with report builder extension Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:15:36 +0900 (JST) Hi Pedro I'm playing configure options. when i activate --enable-report-builder , configure fails like following. checking which jfreereport libs to use (for Report Builder extension)... external checking for /usr/share/java/sac.jar... no configure: error: sac.jar not found. Could you please help me a bit? thanks -- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , JA OOO http://ja.openoffice.org/ http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nakatamaho/ ,GPG: http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt
Re: Java 7 and Apache OpenOffice
2012.01.13. 14:30 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 12.01.2012 03:35, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: Thanks for the fix. Could you set up the issue status? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352 IIRC I resolved as fixed only 2 issues I fixed in order to test the new bugzilla instancia was keeping my can-confirm privileges. Now I'm uncertain about what to do in these cases. In OpenOffice.org times, the developer who fixed the issue didn't resolve it as fixed. Someone else had to do the QA in order to confirm the fix and change the issue status. I'm not sure what the new rules are, so I will wait to resolve this as fixed until someone can confirm it is actually fixed. Regards Due to issue 118352 I've made some tests with AOO and Java 7. Java 7 is detected now by AOO but AOO doesn't support it (see issue 118352). So my conclusion is not to detect it if it's not supported. Regards, Olaf Try orw's build it works with java 1.7. : http://people.apache.org/~orw/ Regards, Zoltan
Re: Java 7 and Apache OpenOffice
2012.01.13. 16:43 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 13.01.2012 16:21, schrieb Reizinger Zoltán: 2012.01.13. 14:30 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 12.01.2012 03:35, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: Thanks for the fix. Could you set up the issue status? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352 IIRC I resolved as fixed only 2 issues I fixed in order to test the new bugzilla instancia was keeping my can-confirm privileges. Now I'm uncertain about what to do in these cases. In OpenOffice.org times, the developer who fixed the issue didn't resolve it as fixed. Someone else had to do the QA in order to confirm the fix and change the issue status. I'm not sure what the new rules are, so I will wait to resolve this as fixed until someone can confirm it is actually fixed. Regards Due to issue 118352 I've made some tests with AOO and Java 7. Java 7 is detected now by AOO but AOO doesn't support it (see issue 118352). So my conclusion is not to detect it if it's not supported. Regards, Olaf Try orw's build it works with java 1.7. : http://people.apache.org/~orw/ Regards, Zoltan It's the same with the builds of Olive: Java 7 has been detected but the Wizard doesn't work. Regards, Olaf It shows a debug messeage: Debug Output --- Error: SfxHTMLParser::SfxHTMLParser: Wo kommt der ZS her? From File c:/AOO/sources/firsttasks/main/sfx2/source/bastyp/sfxhtml.cxx at Line 79 Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump) Click no, then second debug error: --- Debug Output --- Error: Don't close the medium when loading documents! From File c:/AOO/sources/firsttasks/main/sfx2/source/doc/objmisc.cxx at Line 1444 Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump) Click No, the wizard starts. May be the debug allowed switch was set and they created a debug version of AOO. Regards, Zoltan
Re: Java 7 and Apache OpenOffice
2012.01.13. 17:21 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 13.01.2012 17:18, schrieb Reizinger Zoltán: 2012.01.13. 17:06 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 13.01.2012 16:55, schrieb Reizinger Zoltán: 2012.01.13. 16:43 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 13.01.2012 16:21, schrieb Reizinger Zoltán: 2012.01.13. 14:30 keltezéssel, O.Felka írta: Am 12.01.2012 03:35, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: Thanks for the fix. Could you set up the issue status? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352 IIRC I resolved as fixed only 2 issues I fixed in order to test the new bugzilla instancia was keeping my can-confirm privileges. Now I'm uncertain about what to do in these cases. In OpenOffice.org times, the developer who fixed the issue didn't resolve it as fixed. Someone else had to do the QA in order to confirm the fix and change the issue status. I'm not sure what the new rules are, so I will wait to resolve this as fixed until someone can confirm it is actually fixed. Regards Due to issue 118352 I've made some tests with AOO and Java 7. Java 7 is detected now by AOO but AOO doesn't support it (see issue 118352). So my conclusion is not to detect it if it's not supported. Regards, Olaf Try orw's build it works with java 1.7. : http://people.apache.org/~orw/ Regards, Zoltan It's the same with the builds of Olive: Java 7 has been detected but the Wizard doesn't work. Regards, Olaf It shows a debug messeage: Debug Output --- Error: SfxHTMLParser::SfxHTMLParser: Wo kommt der ZS her? From File c:/AOO/sources/firsttasks/main/sfx2/source/bastyp/sfxhtml.cxx at Line 79 Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump) Click no, then second debug error: --- Debug Output --- Error: Don't close the medium when loading documents! From File c:/AOO/sources/firsttasks/main/sfx2/source/doc/objmisc.cxx at Line 1444 Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump) Click No, the wizard starts. May be the debug allowed switch was set and they created a debug version of AOO. Regards, Zoltan I don't get a debug output. Just a message box that says that the selected JRE is defective and I should choose another one. Regards, Olaf May be we use different OS, I run under Windows 7. Regards, Zoltan I'm using this Office http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1229535/win32/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_de.exe on WinXP - SP3. Regards, Olaf I'm using http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1229535/win32/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe Regards, Zoltan
Re: Problems with SVG in Writer
Ariel 2012. 01.0 1 1226179. builded version. I now tested with some svg file from wikipedia, on Win7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Svg_text_flowregion_test.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_text_test.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_text_test.svg It has unstable behavior when inserted one into first document works correctly, but all gone when I saved the file, and empty frames shows errors. Closing and reopening file, the svg pictures on their place. In second case in new document, inserted one without problem, when inserted second it shows up, but first gone, same happens with third picture. Saving document not change the status, reopening document solve the problems. In Third case, the inserting went correctly, but I scrolled the page down and up the pictures gone. May be it is a text only problem other svg files from: http://croczilla.com/bits_and_pieces/svg/samples not cause such problem. This is my results. Regards, Zoltan 2012.01.05. 14:59 keltezéssel, Regina Henschel írta: Hi, I have severe problems with svg-graphics in Writer. Is it not ready to be used in Writer? I use build from Ariel from 2011-12-24 on WinXP. Kind regards Regina
Re: Problems with SVG in Writer
2012.01.05. 17:06 keltezéssel, Armin Le Grand írta: Hi Ariel and Regina, please write a bug report and set to me. On 05.01.2012 16:22, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: Ariel 2012. 01.0 1 1226179. builded version. I now tested with some svg file from wikipedia, on Win7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Svg_text_flowregion_test.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_text_test.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_text_test.svg It has unstable behavior when inserted one into first document works correctly, but all gone when I saved the file, and empty frames shows errors. Closing and reopening file, the svg pictures on their place. Only in Writer, or also on Draw/Impress? I tested only in Writer, until now, when I tested in Draw and Impress. The problems exist in Writer only, the Draw, and Impress works correctly. In second case in new document, inserted one without problem, when inserted second it shows up, but first gone, same happens with third picture. Saving document not change the status, reopening document solve the problems. In Third case, the inserting went correctly, but I scrolled the page down and up the pictures gone. May be it is a text only problem other svg files from: http://croczilla.com/bits_and_pieces/svg/samples This means text in Svg? Or Writer, too? Not, I tested Writer with only these svg pictures files from this site: http://croczilla.com/bits_and_pieces/svg/samples/circles1/circles1.svg http://croczilla.com/bits_and_pieces/svg/samples/quadbezier1/quadbezier1.svg http://croczilla.com/bits_and_pieces/svg/samples/circles1/circles1.svg Now checked the bugzilla and https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118338 describes similar problem, and the attached svg file cause same problem. I will add above examples which cause problems, to the bug 118338, and set to you. Zoltan not cause such problem. This is my results. Regards, Zoltan 2012.01.05. 14:59 keltezéssel, Regina Henschel írta: Hi, I have severe problems with svg-graphics in Writer. Is it not ready to be used in Writer? I use build from Ariel from 2011-12-24 on WinXP. Kind regards Regina Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: Problems with SVG in Writer
I was wrong, the issue is different, problems only with text: Now checked the bugzilla and https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118338 describes similar problem, and the attached svg file cause same problem. The text problem not in AOO 3.4 it shows all text correctly, but in OOo 3.4Beta where rectangles shows instead of text. Sorry. Zoltan
Re: Buildbot
2011.12.09. 9:53 keltezéssel, Raphael Bircher írta: Am 09.12.11 09:47, schrieb Andre Fischer: Hi, I just saw that the buildbot has successfully built Linux builds for three days in the row. That is really good news, both because the Linux buildbot is running and that the last builds where successful. Great work. I still have a question: where are the results uploaded to? I can see messages in the build logs (http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly/builds/29) about several uploads but I can not see their targets. They are here -- http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/ Greetings Raphael I found only 64 bit version, any plan to build x86 32bit version? I can only test 32bit version in virtualbox/ubuntu 32bit, or opensuse 32bit (rpm based). Thanks, Zoltan
Re: [DISCUSS]: how can i change saved search queries in BZ
2011.12.01. 14:25 keltezéssel, Jürgen Schmidt írta: Hi, i have several saved search queries which i would like to adapt to my Apache email address that i use in BZ now. But i can't figure out how to do that. I can edit and change it but i don't find a save or submit changes button. And ideas how it works? I assume that i am simply blind or to stupid ;-) I figured out: Click your saved search, go down, below the last bug, a line with options, edit your search with clicking on Edit Search, modify query, click on Search button (down), the new list creates, and after the bug list on same lower line, is the Remember search button is shows up. Before clicking on it you can change the edited saved search name or create new one. Or leave it without change, then the saved search will be updated. Zoltan Juergen
Re: Put test case to wiki
2011.11.28. 9:23 keltezéssel, xia zhao írta: 2011/11/28 Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch Hi Am 28.11.11 08:51, schrieb Yan Ji: Currently, there is no test management tool available for AOO. So we have nowhere to put test case. For AOO 3.4 release, can we put test case to wiki? and which folder should we put them into? Anyone can help? Maybe you put it under Build-QA-Plan I don't think this foloder is fit for test cases. My understanding the testing defined Build-QA-Plan is at smoke test level. Suggest create fnew sub older under Release-QA-Plan and place related cases there. We lost test cases stored centrally, anybody has a backup of them? Or locally stored versions somewhere in OOo site? My question is if specific cases are needed at current time? Or only some cases for general usage are enough, can you explain more detail about the test cases? I found the test case, and test case template on old OOo wiki page. I don't know how useful this. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Test_case_specification http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Test_case_specification_template It can be a starting point, may be not in HTML, if we put it into cwiki. Zoltan Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: Extensions and Templates [was: Re: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice]
2011.11.18. 17:19 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:40:25AM -0800, Dave Fisher wrote: If this statement is rewritten for Binary releases to allow informed installation of a Language Pack whatever it's host, license and copyright might be - as long as on installation choices were clearly visible and the user explicitly opts in or out. This same IP framework could be used for Extensions and Templates - an area in total limbo with no volunteers active. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org is down again (5:30 UTC). Is this a problem with the host or a problem of lack of maintenance by OOo side? IIRC both http://extensions.services.openoffice.org and http://templates.services.openoffice.org are hosted by the Oregon State University Open Source Labs, and have been working bad all year long. I've discussed this with OSUOSL sysadmin. The servers are overloaded. So much so that the Nagios alerts were constant. They turned them off. Every so often varnish acts up and the machines lock. When this happens I have been the only one who emails supp...@osuosl.org - they are almost always responsive during business hours in their time zone - US Pacific. Both servers are customized Drupal stacks at different versions. There were people from Oracle working on upgrades. No one has volunteered to administrate these from the project. Since these servers host extensions and templates with all types of licenses they are not candidates for migration into the ASF. What should we do? We could move to an entirely different model. Don't host extensions at all. With SourceForge, github, Google Code, etc., there is really no good reason why we need to have a single entity host all of the extensions. It would be enough for us to have a browseable catalog/registry of the extensions: name, description, category, sreenshot, license and a URL to download. It would not be hard to scrape the existing extension side to form this kind of category. This steps if it done, left out the existing users who accustomed to find extensions in these sites. You needs to contact all template and extensions creators to host their stuff in other sites. What will happen with Oracle created, provided templates, extensions (report builder, wiki publisher, ), all under SGA? Zoltan The license issue goes away, since there is no problem with having the extension info hosted by Apache in a catalog of extensions. Load is not longer an issue, since the catalog can be very cheap -- static HTML if we want, generated from XML. I'd be willing to help with such an approach. -Rob Regards, Dave Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand
a) Apache OpenOffice.org Zoltan 2011.11.10. 4:47 keltezéssel, Donald Harbison írta: As promised, here's the ballot. Choose one, cast your vote. If none of them get more than 50% of the binding votes, we will start a ballot for the top two contenders. a) Apache OpenOffice.org b) Apache OpenOffice c) Apache Open Office d) Apache Office The ballot is open for a full 7 day week closing 12:00 p.m. EST ( UTC - 5 ) on Wednesday, November 16, 2011.
Re: Report Builder extension (was Re: [proposal] development for the first AOO release)
Hi Pedro, The report builder extension has 49 open bugs: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed;namedcmd=SRB_open;list_id=2823 Lot of bugs reported by me, I was the volunteer QA on this feature. Some of them needs to be repaired, and some features available in pentaho reporting, not implemented it in, for example subreports, and new chart features from OOo. If I know correctly the original developer will not continue working on it. If some developer continue the development, I will do QA on it. Regards, Zoltan 2011.11.10. 16:22 keltezéssel, Pedro Giffuni írta: Hi Ariel; I honestly have no idea how this works: can we turn this into an uno extension, and make it available in the extensions site? We can keep the sources, and maybe even some SVN history, in Apache-extras but once it builds I don't think we have to do a lot of maintenance. Pedro. --- On Thu, 11/10/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: the reportbuilder won't be built nor released by AOOo, but anyone can take the sources and build it (for example, it would be useful to take the sources and make a Netbeans project out of it). This extension is not really extension in the real sense of the term (extending OOo without touching any line of source code), it depends on the core functionality introduced in the reportdesign module. AOOo is not removing reportdesign nor reportbuilder. The main issue is not the source code (on the software grant from Oracle, so no issue at all), nor the 3rd parties libraries (the code that relies on them can be built as an extension by anyone who wants), but the lack of man power with the knowledge to maintain and further develop it. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Problem when showing a dialog of a deployed extension
Another problem, when I open OOo main window, without any document, and
click on Oo2GDocs menu item, OOo crash with runtime error.
Zoltan
2011.11.08. 13:40 keltezéssel, Reizinger Zoltán írta:
2011.11.07. 23:42 keltezéssel, Gerardo Gómez írta:
Hello Ariel.
the underlying issue is in LoginPanel.fillCredentials():
this.getUserNameTextField().
setText(creditionals.getUserName());
creditionals.getUserName() returns null. You should check if this is
a bug
or the expected behaviour (no OOo API bug in either case).
I'm agree with you, it is more a fillCredentials() problem, it would be
better to construct the credentionals.userName as an empty string
instead
of a null one. But because it was (at least), an enhancement, i was only
replicating the effect.
I've Uploaded in my GitHub account, the .oxt (the extension itself), so
everybody who wants, could test it. As far as i've tested, it seems
that in
linux and windows the extension works great.
I added your extension 0.0.1 version, downloaded today, tested under
win7, to OOo 3.3 and OOo 3.4Beta(oracle), and AOOo 3.4.
Java versions selected: 1.6.0_27 (and same with java 1.6.0_18):
I get same error from all versions, I copied here as I get from debug
version of AOOo 3.4 messages.
When clicked on configure button:
---
Debug Output
---
Error: UnoWrapper::SetWindowInterface: there already *is* a
WindowInterface for this window!
From File y:/apache/trunk/main/toolkit/source/helper/unowrapper.cxx at
Line 186
Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump)
---
Igen Nem Mégse
---
Second:
---
Debug Output
---
Error: VCLXToolkit::createWindow: did #133706# resurge?
From File y:/apache/trunk/main/toolkit/source/awt/vclxtoolkit.cxx at
Line 1138
Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump)
---
Igen Nem Mégse
---
Third:
---
Debug Output
---
Error: [jni_uno bridge error] Java calling UNO method setText:
[map_to_uno():string] null-ref given!
java stack trace:
at com.sun.star.bridges.jni_uno.JNI_proxy.dispatch_call(Native
Method)
at com.sun.star.bridges.jni_uno.JNI_proxy.invoke(JNI_proxy.java:175)
at $Proxy33.setText(Unknown Source)
at util.OoTextField.setText(OoTextField.java:50)
at
org.openoffice.gdocs.ui.dialogs.ConfigDialog.init(ConfigDialog.java:157)
at org.openoffice.gdocs.UNOGDocs$1.run(UNOGDocs.java:104)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
From File Y:/apache/trunk/main/bridges/source/jni_uno/jni_java2uno.cxx
at Line 633
Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump)
---
Igen Nem Mégse
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When I clicked on Export to Google docs:
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Debug Output
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Error: [jni_uno bridge error] Java calling UNO method setText:
[map_to_uno():string] null-ref given!
java stack trace:
at com.sun.star.bridges.jni_uno.JNI_proxy.dispatch_call(Native
Method)
at com.sun.star.bridges.jni_uno.JNI_proxy.invoke(JNI_proxy.java:175)
at $Proxy33.setText(Unknown Source)
at util.OoTextField.setText(OoTextField.java:50)
at
org.openoffice.gdocs.ui.LoginPanel.fillCredentials(LoginPanel.java:179)
at
org.openoffice.gdocs.ui.LoginPanel.readCreditionals(LoginPanel.java:202)
at org.openoffice.gdocs.ui.LoginPanel.setSystem(LoginPanel.java:212)
at
org.openoffice.gdocs.ui.dialogs.UploadDialog.init(UploadDialog.java:181)
at org.openoffice.gdocs.UNOGDocs$2.run(UNOGDocs.java:231)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
From File Y:/apache/trunk/main/bridges/source/jni_uno/jni_java2uno.cxx
at Line 633
Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump)
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Igen Nem Mégse
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I hope this help you.
Zoltan
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
ariel.constenla.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Gerardo,
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 02:25:40PM -0600, Gerardo Gómez wrote:
I have addressed my problem with the null ref, it was due to
assigning to
xText.setText, a null string, i only added an if:
public void setText(String text){
if (text != null)
this.xTextComponent.setText(text);
}
another option:
public void setText( String text ) {
this.xTextComponent.setText( text == null ? : text );
}
an empty string will clear the text field (a null string will crash
OOo). May be clearing the text field is the desired effect when you get
a null string reference.
I'm not really happy with this solution, but it seams to work good, so
until i don't find any other solution i will keep it this way.
the underlying issue is in LoginPanel.fillCredentials():
this.getUserNameTextField().setText(creditionals.getUserName());
creditionals.getUserName() returns
Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list
2011.11.08. 21:48 keltezéssel, eric b írta: Hi, Looking at the archives (see [1]), the flow of mails we receive every day, on ooo-dev mailing list is really big, and not always development relevant. And more than 1500 mails every month, is maybe too much (of me it is). Of course, I'm the first to think, some topics are important, interesting and must be debated, but we reached some limit, and must, say ... improve the situation. As a compromise, what about to create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org ? You think, you can separate the mails you not interested in? I think it is an attempt which will not give positive result to you. The subscribers can submit any topic on this list which he/she seems to be related to the development, and another subscriber think it is fit into other list, and what will happens, nothing. The mails can be ignored, which is out of your interest. What a topics discussed here, you propose to discuss on ooo-discuss@i.a.o list? Please add more details, as new potential subscriber. Why I will think, it worth to subscribe to this new list? As consequence this list traffic will be less? Or we creating an useless empty list. Regards, Zoltan Thanks in advance for any suggestion / opinion :-) Regards, Eric Bachard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/
Re: Addressbook replacement: CardDAV
2011.11.03. 9:02 keltezéssel, Mathias Bauer írta: On 01.11.2011 20:45, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi; I was looking at the IP_Clearance Wiki, and the known problem of replacing Mozilla. I have noticed that for many things Gecko is being replaced with Apple's Webkit some further investigation shows that Apple Released their Calendar and Contacts server under AL2: We don't use Gecko anywhere in OOo. I think it is not correct, the gecko is added during OOo 3.4 development, used in Base for Seamonkey addressbook connection. It worth keeping it some way, if it is not possible as built-in, than keep it as extensian. See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107809 Zoltan Besides that, Webkit is much more evil than Mozilla because on Windows it requires proprietary libraries from Apple (or using suboptimal cairo based libraries). Regards, Mathias
Re: [VOTE] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
+1 2011.10.18. 18:27 keltezéssel, Dennis E. Hamilton írta: In reply to this message on ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, vote for the acceptance of the proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling. The Proposal text is at the October 12 version of wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project. The balloting will end midnight Friday, 2011-10-21T24:00Z, over 72 hours from now. A majority of approvals over disapprovals constitutes acceptance of the proposal. [ ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: GUIDELINES ANYONE MAY VOTE. BINDING VOTES for determining the outcome are those cast by any of the 54 PPMC members (to be listed in a separate message). When the same individual casts more than one vote, the last-dated vote during the ballot period is taken as the final vote from that individual. Votes made anywhere but as replies to the ooo-dev list with this subject are not counted. DO NOT DISCUSS THE VOTING ON THIS THREAD. This thread is for the votes themselves, including explanations for -1 votes. Any other discussion related to this ballot, including discussions with anyone about their vote, should be on a separate threat with subject beginning [VOTE][DISCUSS]. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability,http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid
Re: Good-Day site is gone...
2011.10.17. 13:49 keltezéssel, Marcus (OOo) írta: Am 10/17/2011 01:23 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/17/2011 02:53 AM, schrieb Maho NAKATA: I'm looking for ftp site so that I can upload my taball for QA purpose. (and for my builds, too). The Good-day ftp server is gone in August 2011, so I cannot upload my builds as well. I'm very sorry to hear that because it was always a reliable host. And now even www.good-day.net is not reachable. What happened here? I think Good-day was a Japanese organization/company that provided free hosting to Maho. Good Day Inc. in Umeda Osaka. http://www.good-day.co.jp/ I know. We had a good collaboration about mirroring at Sun/Oracle times. I'm a bit frightened about the was. ;-) Marcus I now checked, the qa-ftp site is working to me: ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/ Zoltan Note: I have been uploading source tar ball for each milestones, and uploading MacOSX PPC and Intel packages for all languages for almost every milestones over 6 years. To do that, Good-day ftp site was very important and useful. As Ross said your http://people.apache.org; acccount could be an intermediate place to host builds on a temporary basis. Otherwise we have to find somewhere else a bit space for build hosting. Marcus
Re: ODF and HTML 5
2011.10.03. 12:39 keltezéssel, Ian Lynch írta: On 3 October 2011 10:40, RGB ESrgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/3 Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com A logical technical need could be to develop ODF rendering and editing in web browsers. Something like WebODF? http://www.webodf.org/ They even have an app on android market to display ODF documents on smart phones (I never used it: my cell phone is only useful for phone calls...) Yes I have it on my phone, but I don't use desk based files for information very much mainly direct in web pages. WebODF is a good start. Just seemed that If ODF was an official part of HTML 5 it would get increasingly wide support and so would help strategically with marketing. OASIS should be the focus but the more support from a wide range of organisations, the more likely it is to happen. No that way. If I know correctly the ODF among others, uses HTML, XML and other standards, see normative references in ODF 1.2: http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cos01/OpenDocument-v1.2-cos01-part1.html#__RefHeading__1414984_253892949 It uses the latest issued version HTML 4.0, if the HTML 5 is out, the HTML 5 version can be used in ODF, when the OASIS TC creates new ODF version, or reviews 1.2. That means no such possibility in marketing. Zoltan
Forums not reachable
Hi all, The forums not reachable, at least to me, on address http://user.services.openoffice.org Somebody knows why? Thanks, Zoltan
[DISCUSS] Bug reporting, handling rules
Hi all, Start again, the my earlier try was alienated. As a first builds starts, and OOo Bugzilla migrated to Apache, needs to think about how we will use it. On OOo QA site can be found three page which says about issues/bug issuing rules which the OOo project followed, and Bugzilla was customized accordingly: http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/bug_writing_guidelines.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/basic_rules.html This time the bugzilla migrated, could stick to these rules, which worked in most cases. We want to change it? It is a time to start to think about. Regards, Zoltan
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
2011.09.07. 18:10 keltezéssel, Pedro F. Giffuni írta: Great! Thanks to Matt!! One thing I didn't mention and that may be interesting for international users is that the new bugzilla can be customized for other languages. The internationalization of bugzilla can be counterproductive. Until now only English bug reports allowed or solved, excluding in some cases German, because most of the the developers can deal with. The translation of bugzilla UI will pretend that you can submit bug in your language, that could create a big mess. Or translated bugs not counts, and why consume space on non real bugs. Thanks, Zoltan cheers, Pedro. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Matt Richards wrote: I'm willing to give this a healthy try, if nobody else beats me to it. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous look and feel. Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files provided by Oracle here: http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take the job (I am attaching his post). If someone would like this task please let the list know so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA cheers, Pedro. ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what we are talking about: http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html -- --Matt
Re: Can not visit the Chinese Community Forum!
Hi, You warns us about a migration test forum: http://ooo-forums.apache.org/zh/forum/ Where I get same error: Language file ./language/zh_cs/common.php couldn't be opened. The migration test not finished, The http://user.services.openoffice.org/zh/forum/ working correctly? I can reach it. Regards, Zoltan 2011.09.06. 10:37 keltezéssel, 陈京东 írta: Hi Terry and all, I have got to know we are migrating OOo forum to the Apache Infrastructure, and have accomplished several Community Forums, including the Japanese, but when I want to access to the Chinese Community Forum, an error appears, like this: Language file ./language/zh_cs/common.php couldn't be opened. I think, maybe we have not finished its migration yet. So, could you tell me when we will migrate the Chinese Community Forum successfully? and what can we do for this work? Could you give us suggestions? Thank you in advance! Best Regards JingDong Chen -- MSN: blue_che...@hotmail.com Email: chenjingd...@redoffice.com
Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
2011.09.06. 12:03 keltezéssel, Christian Grobmeier írta: Hello, there are much emotions on the ooo forum at the moment and my feeling says if we continue this path of discussion, we'll have some problems. Now I had an idea: what if we would make up another incubator podling - the ooo forums - with an own PPMC. In fact Rob already expressed something like that and introduced the idea to run the forums outside apache. But this can happen different. What if we run the forums outside of the standard ooo project but as a project on its own. I mean, the forums have some technic - the phpBB boards. They have active admins (I call PPMC) and active mentors (committers). I think making ooo-forums another podling is way easier than integrating it into ooo-dev. Thoughts? It can be a good solution. Zoltan Christian
Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project
2011.09.04. 22:36 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: I'm putting aside for sake of this note the alternate approach, suggested by some, of allowing the support Forums to operate independently outside of Apache. I'm merely talking about what would make the forums into a well-integrated part of the project, in terms of decision making, accountability, branding, etc. I'm not talking about technical integration, since that appears to be the easier topic., and one that Apache Infra and Terry are already working on. If the Forums are to be well-integrated into the project, I think we need: == PPMC Oversite and Approval of Forum Policies == Remember, the Forum volunteers -- 75 of them -- are not all committers or PPMC members. Very few of them are. Very few of of them are following this ooo-dev list. Obviously we should give great deference to the real-world experience of current Forum volunteers, but we also need to ensure that the Forum works well with project and Apache policies as well. 1) The Terms of Use and other policy documents used by the Forum should be reviewed and approved by the PPMC, and for the former, also by Apache legal. +1 2) We need to develop a privacy policy for the Forums, also to be reviewed by the PPMC and Apache legal -1 It can be a part of TOU, no needs separate document. 3) Changes to Forum policies, TOU and privacy policy would require a proposal on ooo-dev, and discussion and consensus reached there. It is possible that preliminary public discussions could occur in other places first, such as on the Forums themselves. But the project's official discussions and decisions are made on ooo-dev.In other words, if it didn't happen on the project's main list (ooo-dev), it didn't happen. -1 What you mean under Forum policies in plain English? 4) We need the Forum website to conform to Apache branding requirements, including the podling-specific requirements +1 ==Approval of Forum roles== My understanding is that forums have essentially three roles: a) Users b) Moderators, who delete, edit and move all posts, ban users, etc. c) Admins who can also create new forums and assign moderator rights Volunteers not listed, who contribute in posts with their special knowledge. 5) Users require no special treatment. They are like subscribers to a users list. 6) Being listed as an admin or moderator on a public-facing Apache website suggests endorsement by the project, and aside from any enhanced Forum capabilities enhances your ability to keep order on the Forums. In other words, it is the star that makes the sheriff, not the gun. But this endorsement, to be meaningful, should be made authentic. So Admins and Moderators should be approved by the PPMC. This kind of routine approval is given all the time for those who want to be list moderators. I see no reason why we cannot, initially at least, simply receive a list of current volunteers to ooo-private and approve them all. -1 Simple users became volunteers when he/she gives many useful comments to users not worth anything on this list. You and all commiters on this list will approve Hungarian moderators without knowing how they works? You will learn Hungarian and all twelve forum languages? Some moderators, and most volunteers even not reading English. How the PPMC will endorse them? 7) Future grants of admin/moderator rights would require a proposal to ooo-dev seeking lazy consensus. Such a proposal could originate from a forum volunteer or could originate from anyone on ooo-dev. This is no different than someone asking to be a moderator for a mailing list. -1 Same as above, language barrier. 8) Any project committer, on request, will be made a forum admin or moderator. +1 But needs to work as a moderator and admin on forum, if they require such role. This is how it works with every other project resource -- mailing lists, source code, website, etc. Committers have rights to pretty much everything on the project. We trust our committers. We don't segregate the project into exclusive zones of ownership. -1 It is a misunderstanding of closed forums. ==Transparency== 9) We need all private forum discussions to be echoed to a log or mailing list where PPMC and Apache Members can view them. If you join as mod. or admin you can see it. One way of doing this is to echo posts to ooo-private. Another way is to periodically commit logs to the PPMC's private directory. There may be other ways as well. -1 The private list will be spammed unnecessarily, by forums posts. 10) The use of private forums must be used for only discussions of specific moderation cases. It must not be used for discussion of routine board operations. +1 ==Integration into the larger AOOo community== Although the forum volunteers appear to have been previously isolated, not involved in larger project discussions and decision making, this is not optimal for providing support, and it is not optimal for the project
Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project
2011.09.05. 20:35 keltezéssel, davidills...@gmail.com írta: On 5 Sep 2011, at 19:00, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: snip ==Approval of Forum roles== My understanding is that forums have essentially three roles: a) Users b) Moderators, who delete, edit and move all posts, ban users, etc. c) Admins who can also create new forums and assign moderator rights Volunteers not listed, who contribute in posts with their special knowledge. 5) Users require no special treatment. They are like subscribers to a users list. 6) Being listed as an admin or moderator on a public-facing Apache website suggests endorsement by the project, and aside from any enhanced Forum capabilities enhances your ability to keep order on the Forums. In other words, it is the star that makes the sheriff, not the gun. But this endorsement, to be meaningful, should be made authentic. So Admins and Moderators should be approved by the PPMC. This kind of routine approval is given all the time for those who want to be list moderators. I see no reason why we cannot, initially at least, simply receive a list of current volunteers to ooo-private and approve them all. -1 Simple users became volunteers when he/she gives many useful comments to users not worth anything on this list. You and all commiters on this list will approve Hungarian moderators without knowing how they works? You will learn Hungarian and all twelve forum languages? Some moderators, and most volunteers even not reading English. How the PPMC will endorse them? 7) Future grants of admin/moderator rights would require a proposal to ooo-dev seeking lazy consensus. Such a proposal could originate from a forum volunteer or could originate from anyone on ooo-dev. This is no different than someone asking to be a moderator for a mailing list. -1 Same as above, language barrier. My experience elsewhere at Apache is that PMCs are pretty open and trusting. If there's a recommendation for further involve a valued contributor requiring lazy concensus, I'd expect them to all go through, unless there's someone proposed who's known to be problematic. The important thing is really procedural... the fact that the PMC approves someone makes it clear that the PMC has responsibility for keeping the forums healthy. 8) Any project committer, on request, will be made a forum admin or moderator. +1 But needs to work as a moderator and admin on forum, if they require such role. While that's certainly desirable, if PMC members need this kind of access to provide oversight, then they need to be able to get access regardless. This seems less likely to be required if there's separate archival as suggested below. This is how it works with every other project resource -- mailing lists, source code, website, etc. Committers have rights to pretty much everything on the project. We trust our committers. We don't segregate the project into exclusive zones of ownership. -1 It is a misunderstanding of closed forums. Perhaps you could elaborate on this? The exclusive zone of ownership is too ambiguous to me in this case, may be my English is not good enough to understand it. The closed forums (not seen by ordinary users) used for discussing all forums common things about of management, updates etc., other for storing spam posts for limited time, but if committer has admin/moderator access could see the content. ==Transparency== 9) We need all private forum discussions to be echoed to a log or mailing list where PPMC and Apache Members can view them. If you join as mod. or admin you can see it. If the forums are running on ASF infrastructure delegated to the PMC, the PMC and ASF membership need a mechanism to provide oversight. This is commonly done via mailing lists, and so repeating that pattern would simplify this task for many. One way of doing this is to echo posts to ooo-private. Another way is to periodically commit logs to the PPMC's private directory. There may be other ways as well. -1 The private list will be spammed unnecessarily, by forums posts. Yeah, i'd suggest a separate archival list 10) The use of private forums must be used for only discussions of specific moderation cases. It must not be used for discussion of routine board operations. +1
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Hi Rob, As a Hu forum admin and not a native English speaker lot of time raised the forum question from beginning. I dissatisfied with your ignorant behavior to forums, you not want to make any steps to understand our questions. Not registered into forums, and not see into the discussions. Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you not makes any steps into the other directions? Regards, Zoltan The forums works differently what Apache works, and you can understand 2011.09.04. 16:15 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote: A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally robust and unapologetic response. I don't want to rehash this again, but this tipped the balance for me and I decided to finish off my work with Apache and hand over. What has somewhat surprised me and this is the issue that I want to flag up the the PPMC in this note, is the volume and tone of the general responses that I received when I let the forums know of my decision to hand over and stand down. I don't see anything recent from you on the forums. Can you send a link to your note and the responses? It is much better to get first hand information, I think, then to have it filtered through someone else. In essence my concerns and fears seem to be shared by most of the NL admins, moderators and volunteers that staff the forums and do over 90% of the work to respond to end users. Until this last week my views were probably at the more positive end of the spectrum. If this happens then we aren't going to be left with any functioning forums, so I am starting to consider quite seriously why I am continuing to do this work at all. I would encourage the NL admins to be as vocal as you are, and to raise their issues directly on ooo-dev. It will be very hard for them to acclimate to Apache, and for us to understand their concerns, if they do not participate directly on the project's primary discussion list. I'm grateful, of course, for any attempts to collect and consolidate feedback and bring it to this list, but that is an inadequate substitute for an authentic two-way conversion. The following pieces of advice you've offered us are all good topics for discussion. What can we do to get the admins to come over and discuss these items? Note that discussing these points a private forum would go against the need for overall transparency. So the admins need to meet us half-way here. -Rob Please consider taking active steps: * To realise that these people spend all of their pro-bono time working in the forum model and generally hate using email for anything other than 1-1 communication. We need to have a mutually efficient way of working together. * To understand that the forums are a well oiled machine that are administered tightly and efficiently and have been for years. Please understand how the system works and what its strengths and weakness are, before demanding changes. * Please don't demand, but provide rational explanations for the need to change and use sensible change management to change working policies and practices. * Reach out and consider how to work with people for whom English is a second language, who find it hard work to read a simple and well formatted document or post and who just cannot follow complex email threads that are a dozen levels deep and get completely mangled by some respondents: o Keep thread simple and maintain thread discipline o Try to give direct answers to direct questions o All participants configure their email clients to use text/plain; format=flowed encoding, as text/plain only can completely mangle nesting of reply content. Of course the PPMC doesn't have to do any of this, but also please accept my parting advice that if you don't then you are effectively and knowingly killing the forums off. At some point these people will have decide whether to stay and tough it out; to leave one-by-one; or to take this service elsewhere. Regards Terry Ellison On 01/09/11 23:02, Terry Ellison wrote: Quite honestly -- and I can only speak personally -- at the moment I feel that I am caught between a rock and a hard place. My work is time consuming and the skills are different to the mainstream C++ trained OOo developer, but they are also different to a pure sysAdmin. In some ways you need to be an expert in *both* these worlds and to be able to integrate this expertise. I am not talking about enthusiastic newbie volunteers; I am talking about hacks who have done this so many times that it's routine. Again this only my personal experience, but I feel that Apache is unwelcoming to newcomers and this seems to be an endemic culture, albeit strongly advocated by a few individuals.
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
2011.09.04. 16:42 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: snip Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you not makes any steps into the other directions? I'm assuming the volunteers and admins want positive results. The decision-making in the project occurs on this list -- ooo-dev -- by participants making and discussing proposals.So I think that volunteers and admins should join and participate in this list so they can engage in an open, two-way conversation on how the project, including the support forums, are run. If I know correctly they interested in supporting users, and whether forum will survive the Oracle- Apache transition and no more. If they interested in AOOo development and other project things, will join to this list, or join to podling project as I did. Most of them reading this list through mail reader, or subscribed here. May be they see no reason to joining this type of discussion. Remember, I am just one person, with my own ppinion. I have only one vote. I don't make the decisions myself. But if an admin or other forum volunteer is not participating on the ooo-dev list at all, then their opinions will likely be unheard and their vote uncounted. That is why you should encourage them to participate on the ooo-dev list. -Rob Zoltan
Re: Legacy OOo list post stats
2011.09.03. 18:40 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: To help prioritize the list migration efforts, I've collected numbers from the legacy OOo lists. Looking at 2011 posts, year to date, these are the average posts/day for the most-used lists. I've arbitrarily cut-off the lost at lists having more than one post every other day. There are 332 lists overall that I could find, most of them getting little to no traffic. To put these numbers in perspective note that our ooo-dev list averages 59 posts per day. So we know what that traffic feels like. If we add up all of the top 100 OOo lists, excluding the Bugzilla notifications, they add up to 62 posts/day average. So I think this argues strongly for list consolidation. Direct all user-related lists to ooo-users and project-related lists to ooo-dev. List Posts/day org.openoffice.allbugs 54.8 org.openoffice.users9.0 org.openoffice.de.users 7.9 org.openoffice.de.dev 4.1 org.openoffice.fr.users 3.6 org.openoffice.it.utenti3.2 org.openoffice.dev 3.2 org.openoffice.user-faq.authors 2.9 org.openoffice.discuss 2.5 org.openoffice.l10n.dev 1.6 org.openoffice.dba.needsconfirm 1.3 This dba.needsconfirm list can be excluded, it is used in bugzilla when issue/bug was submitted and no developer assigned to bug, mostly a waiting list for database bugs. All unconfirmed database bug came here first, after that reviewed by QA and assigned to devs. This method was selected because only one QA person and two developer worked on database part (from Sun/Oracle), and it is helped them prioritize works. The us...@dba.oo.o can be merged to general users list and d...@deba.oo.o to ooo-dev, both has low number of traffic one-two per week. Zoltan org.openoffice.es.discuss_es1.2 org.openoffice.marketing.dev1.2 org.openoffice.api.dev 1.1 org.openoffice.ja.discuss 1.0 org.openoffice.releases 0.9 org.openoffice.allcvs 0.9 org.openoffice.qa.dev 0.9 org.openoffice.es.dev 0.9 org.openoffice.fi.users 0.9 org.openoffice.distribution.dev 0.8 org.openoffice.cws-announce 0.8 org.openoffice.br-pt.usuarios 0.7 org.openoffice.nl.gebruikers0.7 org.openoffice.es.users 0.7 org.openoffice.it.localizzazione0.7 org.openoffice.distribution.cdrom 0.6
Re: Extensions and templates site down
2011.08.14. 15:07 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:26 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: The site (particularly templates) seems hinky, bad, and has for a over a day now, once again. Do we know what the underlying issue is? Is it load related? I don't know, may be not enough resources to do administration. At the end of July when similar down happens, I submitted a support question to supp...@osuosl.org e-mail. After few days the pages were up. And get answer: Should be back online. This is a persistent issue that we do not have the time nor resources to resolve long term. I'm waiting to hear where this site will end up (hopefully with the ASF). For now I have to just mend it along. Zoltan Do we have any stats on the most-downloaded extensions? Would it be worth treating them specially, getting them into a mirroring infrastructure, for example? Or is this something that could be moved to apache-extras.org ? On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 17:37 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: snip We will have to find an alternative repository snip We Need to fix the current one - the fact that LibreOffice will open yet another repository (as mentioned there are already other locations on the net hosting OO.o/Libo compatible extensions) is IMO great, the current site however has the largest collection of files and one would be foolish to just close it. What would be _really_ nice is someone hack an extension that lets the user change default repos, and for bonus points, search ala InkScape and OpenClipart...but I wander OT there. my very late .02 //drew
Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)
2011.08.02. 14:03 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Jean Hollis Weberjeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 21:24 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd look at it like this: The documentation that is needed for our users to be successful with our product, from end users, to admins, to application developers, that documentation is product documentation. If having it deleted or defaced, without us noticing it, would cause our users some harm, then it is product documentation. If the right to copy, modify and redistribute the documentation is essentially to successful creating and hosting a new port or translation, or even a commercial derivative or an open source fork, of the project, then it is product documentation. Leaving aside for the moment all the other user-doc type items on the wiki, and looking specifically at the existing current set of user guides (which are in ODT/PDF format, but made available for download from the existing OOo wiki), I'm unclear how they will fit into this. They are not currently under the Apache license, and we would never be able to track down all the contributors to get them to agree to the license and/or sign the iCLA. So are we talking only about future updates to these docs? And if so, do you mean that every future contributor to these guides during their production must sign the iCLA? Or just that only someone with suitable access rights (committer?) can put them on the wiki (in ODT/PDF format)? Or something else? I'd like us to treat documentation like we do code. Not necessarily the same tools, but the same care for provenance, accountability and quality, namely: 1) We welcome patches and contributions from anyone, but these must be first reviewed and approved by a project committer before they become part of the documentation set. Any such contributions must be made under Apache 2.0 license. 2) Only project committers have direct write access to the documentation. This requires that they first sign the iCLA. 3) All contributions, whether from the public or from committers and tracked/logged, so we can accurately determine who made a given change. So no anonymous or pseudonymous patches. A user id that we can trace to a real email address is fine. With code this works by non-committer contributors sending patches (diffs) to the mailing list, where they are merged in and reviewed by a committer, and then checked into the repository. With documentation, using a wiki , we would need a different mechanism for achieving this. Luckily there are MediaWiki extensions to enable this. Rob, I think you lives outside of this world. You will not find a lot of contributors which needs to work with this idea. This will stop causal documentation contributors to enhance wiki page. When I started working with wiki documentation, first I checked that the written down text is working in OOo, and if I find something corrected the text. I did this when I found some time to work on wiki. If the causal user meet barriers like every post wait for moderating for committers they will lost their interest very soon. May be you will have good managed and fully license compliant documentation, but fully out of date. Zoltan I'd like to preserve the immediate nature of editing on the wiki. That is its strength. But we need to find away to also get this under project oversight as well. I think we can do both, without too much annoyance to contributors. --Jean
Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding)
2011.08.02. 15:47 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: 2011.08.02. 14:03 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Jean Hollis Weberjeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 21:24 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd look at it like this: The documentation that is needed for our users to be successful with our product, from end users, to admins, to application developers, that documentation is product documentation. If having it deleted or defaced, without us noticing it, would cause our users some harm, then it is product documentation. If the right to copy, modify and redistribute the documentation is essentially to successful creating and hosting a new port or translation, or even a commercial derivative or an open source fork, of the project, then it is product documentation. Leaving aside for the moment all the other user-doc type items on the wiki, and looking specifically at the existing current set of user guides (which are in ODT/PDF format, but made available for download from the existing OOo wiki), I'm unclear how they will fit into this. They are not currently under the Apache license, and we would never be able to track down all the contributors to get them to agree to the license and/or sign the iCLA. So are we talking only about future updates to these docs? And if so, do you mean that every future contributor to these guides during their production must sign the iCLA? Or just that only someone with suitable access rights (committer?) can put them on the wiki (in ODT/PDF format)? Or something else? I'd like us to treat documentation like we do code. Not necessarily the same tools, but the same care for provenance, accountability and quality, namely: 1) We welcome patches and contributions from anyone, but these must be first reviewed and approved by a project committer before they become part of the documentation set. Any such contributions must be made under Apache 2.0 license. 2) Only project committers have direct write access to the documentation. This requires that they first sign the iCLA. 3) All contributions, whether from the public or from committers and tracked/logged, so we can accurately determine who made a given change. So no anonymous or pseudonymous patches. A user id that we can trace to a real email address is fine. With code this works by non-committer contributors sending patches (diffs) to the mailing list, where they are merged in and reviewed by a committer, and then checked into the repository. With documentation, using a wiki , we would need a different mechanism for achieving this. Luckily there are MediaWiki extensions to enable this. Rob, I think you lives outside of this world. You will not find a lot of contributors which needs to work with this idea. I'm seeing it working exactly as it does now, with the difference that the changes made by non-committers are not immediately visible on the page until reviewed and approved by a committer. This will stop causal documentation contributors to enhance wiki page. So you think that someone will refuse to contribute unless their change is made available immediately? Have you tried this? Can you back up your assertion that no one will contribute? Take a look at the wiki logs right now: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesfrom=20110702130619days=30limit=500 What do you see? Many new zombie accounts. People updating their User pages (not documentation) and a few real documentation changes, most of which are made by Jean, who is already an Apache OpenOffice committer. So although I've seen claims that there are 35,000 user accounts, even 15,000 real accounts, I'm not seeing a huge volume of changes. Fighting with spammers is a continuous work. No changes so much because OOo 3.4 was not out on time, and the no new features happens, it is an side effect of Oracle stopping work on OOo. See my rare contribution to wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributionslimit=500target=R4zoli Check it, the changes I've made during my contribution, worth for committer checks, who has not knowledge in Hungarian or OOo Base? Worth for waiting for approvals? Your idea to bring all user content under AL 2.0 will not help the users of OOo, it will hurt them, that is what my experience on tho OOo is saying. I see no further effort on this topic, your idea may be wrong. I not want to spend more time on this. I not see so much support on your side, only you forcing this idea. Time will tell that it will be useful or not. Zoltan When I started working with wiki documentation, first I checked that the written down text is working in OOo, and if I find something corrected the text. I did this when I found some time to work on wiki. If the causal user meet barriers like every post wait for moderating for committers they will lost their interest
OOo Conferences presentations
Hi All, I want to rise one question not raised in this list. OOo community held 10th OOo Conference in Budapest last year. The conference materials with 9th Italian conference materials stored in http://www.ooocon.org/ site. What is the status of this site, it is in transfer list if hosted by Oracle. The older OOo conference materials not reachable in the net, stored somewhere inside Oracle? It is worth looking around not to lost the useful content of it. May be some presentation outdated, but can be useful one found. Regards, Zoltan
Re: Extensions and templates site down
2011.07.11. 15:41 keltezéssel, TJ Frazier írta: On 7/11/2011 07:28, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Reizinger Zoltán wrote: The two sites works sporadically, needs four five web page refresh to load: http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ To help OOo present users, needs to stabilize sites work. Somebody knows what the cause of this problem. Yes, I posted some more details in this message a few weeks ago: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201106.mbox/browser and I don't have further updates available. Note that those sites are not part of the Oracle infrastructure. Regards, Andrea. Hi, all, Andrea Pescetti's helpful message is easier to find here: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201106.mbox/%3c1308391724.2986.34.camel@localhost.localdomain%3e since it is titled, Re: Bugzilla or JIRA? ... etc. Oregon State University Open Source Lab hosts the extensions site, and some Apache-related things as well. Just for fun, I tried looking up OSUOSL's service ticket #18367, but their website was impenetrable to my relatively feeble search attempts. As a systems programmer (retired), I used to read a lot of tickets, and it was my job to solve them. I find this protracted trouble curious, to say the least. :-/ It seems to me it is an abandoned site, nobody care for it, it hurt all OOo effort if we not find a solution to restart, the users ask every day on forum which way they could find specific extensions, and we can not help them. It is sad thing. Zoltan
Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code
2011.06.29. 23:05 keltezéssel, Pedro F. Giffuni írta: snip Note that some of them are also outdated. More outdated tarballs independent of the license) and the version *I* recommend are listed here: snip hsqldb 1.8.1 snip This will cause incompatibility with other OOo/LibO versions which is use hsqldb 1.8.0.10. The incompatibility caused by built in OOo warning of newer version of hsqldb, this means the odb file database tables will be unreadable/manageable in older version of OOo. If you want to update hsqldb use cws hsqldb19 which contain hsqldb 2.x.x version, causing different type of incompatibility and not reversible. Zoltan
Re: Getting to our first build
2011.06.29. 12:23 keltezéssel, Michael Stahl írta: On 29.06.2011 11:58, Greg Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 04:26, Mathias Bauermathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: On 29.06.2011 00:07, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 15:31, Rob Weirapa...@robweir.comwrote: Let me summarize what I'm hearing the initial steps then are. 1) We take the OOo source code with tag OOO340_m1 from hg.services.openoffice.org, including the full history, and convert that into a SVN repository, e.g.,: hg convert --dest-type svn hgreponame svnreponame Who does this? Is this something that can be done remotely, or do we need an Oracle admin to do this for us? We would do this. We have all the access that we need (open source, yay!) I've started on a script to create this (local) Hg repository. See tools/dev/single-hg.sh for my first bits. I'm trying it out now, but it is probably going to take a while to run :-P (I also have no idea about CWSs) Did you clone the repo at http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO340? This is the one we should use. As you can see from the script, it is designed around DEV300. I thought we wanted the latest development branch? actually no CWS was integrated on the development DEV300 after the release OOO340 was branched off, while on OOO340 release relevant CWSes were integrated. so OOO340 contains the latest and greatest stuff. Pulling the CWS should be faster: create a local clone of your existing repo for each cws and pull from the CWS repro at hg.services.ooo. This will pull only the change sets not in your local repo and create a second head revision in it. This revision could be moved over to svn or you could create a patch from it against whatever version that is on the hg repo. Ah! That's and awesome improvement. Thanks. I'll incorporate that into the scripting. I don't think we want patches. I continue to believe we want a single Hg repository with everything, and we convert that to Subversion, and then load it into svn.apache.org. if it is possible to convert HG heads to SVN branches, that would be the way to go. i still think it makes sense to go a step further and actually merge all finished CWSes into OOO340 using HG first, because that is by far the easiest way and doesn't have any technical pitfalls. This will not good in database part of OOo, the cws hsqldb19 finished and waits for dev300 integration toward OOo 3.5. it is contain hsqldb 2.x.x database engine which is incompatible (convert all data into new version whic is not reversable) to presently used 1.8.0.10 version. Then the new version file opens in older version of OOo, but not usable, warning came up to use newer version of OOo. If you merge it it will cause mess. The using merging cws hsqldb needs to discussed in project in later time. It is cause incompatibilities, but the hsqldb 2.x.x has more features which is good for database users. Zoltan
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
2011.06.24. 23:44 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: Does anyone see a difference other than the obvious difference of technology, between the OOo user list and the forums? Are they being used for different kinds of things? Or are they just different ways of doing the same things? The user downloaded OOo from OOo site can be aware of OOo mailing lists if met some problems - users with some knowledge. If user get OOo without his knowledge, some admin installed on computer, this happens in small companies or public administration, This user - average Joe, has knowledge in other software, when met specific problems, in most cases use some search engine to find answer, then the forum could came first. The second type of user prefer forums, and the first type possibly mailing lists. My practice on user forums and Base user and developer mailing list have differences, in the forums core developers never posts, questions answered by volunteers or other users. (It takes time to crawl through all posts, the developers time worth more than spend reading questions, easily answerable ones.) In users mailing lists, half answers came from core developers, if they think, the problem is real. Easily answerable questions answered by volunteers. In developer mailing list users mostly ISVs or power users use, when met specific problems, in specific database drivers, or with programming OOo, and answered usually by developers. Zoltan
Introduction
Hi All, My name is Zoltán Reizinger (r4zoli on OOo) and I have been involved in OpenOffice.org Base QA project from last year. I participated in Base documentation development and in wiki. I was the founder co-admin for Hungarian OOo user forum, and volunteer on En forum. Regards, Zoltan
