Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-15 Thread Donald Harbison
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: The fact that it never

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 12, 2012 6:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 13, 2012 11:00 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: ?.. It never occurred to me that any of them would have necessarily been interested. The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my tablet On Oct 13, 2012 11:00 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: ?.. It never occurred to me that any of them would have necessarily been interested. The fact that it never occurred to

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of process which was designed to identify people with sufficient merit. Now that you mentioned it,

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of process which

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Yes, it's easily resolved, Dave already indicated the three ways it might be resolved. Like I said its more of a lesson to be learned than a reason to delay. Awareness of the issue is enough for now. Ross Sent from mobile, forgive terseness and errors On Oct 14, 2012 5:55 PM, Dave Fisher

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: The fact that it never

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 14, 2012 9:18 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Also, there are some administrative steps that we'll need to take care of over the weekend, assuming the IPMC vote passes: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 13/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list The 72 hours just expired and I've taken care of both steps. So everything to be done

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-12 Thread Issac Goldstand
On 12/10/2012 15:52, Rob Weir wrote: 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list per these instructions: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#top-level-board-proposal This probably needs to happen on Saturday, shortly after the 72-hour PMC vote ends, if we are to get on

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-12 Thread Kay Schenk
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.com wrote: On 12/10/2012 15:52, Rob Weir wrote: 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list per these instructions: http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#top-*

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-12 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: Also, there are some administrative steps that we'll need to take care of over the weekend, assuming the IPMC vote passes: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list per these instructions:

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.com wrote: On 12/10/2012 15:52, Rob Weir wrote: 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list per these instructions:

Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers

2012-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 12, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Also, there are some administrative steps that we'll need to take care of over the weekend, assuming the IPMC vote passes: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board