Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
How many in this community, in the past, were on this mailing-list for their school or university.? For me, I don't care, homework or other work. We are all learning and work in the school of life. See the very interesting discussion he/she initiated. ___

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 28-08-15 07:54, Seref Arikan wrote: Sorry, but I have to ask: are you doing a homework? This sounds like an accusation (the "Sorry, I have to ask"-part). Then I don't understand the point. How many in this community, in the past, were on this mailing-list for their school or university.?

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-08-15 19:54, Thomas Beale wrote: I would suggest that CIMI has been simiplified to the point of not being directly usable as an RM by openEHR or 13606 - most of the needed context information is gone in CIMI, and it doesn't distinguish any kind of 'Entry' or clinical statement. Are you

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Seref Arikan
Sorry, but I have to ask: are you doing a homework? On Friday, 28 August 2015, 王海生 wrote: > could we just add a page on openEHR website to illustrate these points > thx > > > -- > 王海生 > 15901958021 > > > 在 2015-08-28 01:54:58,"Thomas Beale" > 写道: > > On 26/08/2015 16:46, Erik Sundvall wrote: >

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 28/08/2015 10:03, 王海生 wrote: could we just add a page on openEHR website to illustrate these points thx if you search on the wiki , with either '13606' or 'CIMI' you will find a lot of material. - thomas _

Re:Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread 王海生
could we just add a page on openEHR website to illustrate these points thx -- 王海生 15901958021 在 2015-08-28 01:54:58,"Thomas Beale" 写道: On 26/08/2015 16:46, Erik Sundvall wrote: Hi! Where can one find proposals/diagrams describing the refreshed RM (reference model) in the new 13606 rev

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Beale
openEHR has an EHR Extract specification as well, which is more flexible than the 13606 one e.g. it can include information from more than one patient, and accommodates both openEHR and non-openEHR content. - thomas On 26/08/2015

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 26/08/2015 16:46, Erik Sundvall wrote: Hi! Where can one find proposals/diagrams describing the refreshed RM (reference model) in the new 13606 revision? Will 13606 keep using the old data types or harmonize more with CIMI or OpenEHR? Is there now consensus/majority regarding using ADL/AO

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 26/08/2015 13:08, Bert Verhees wrote: On 26-08-15 14:03, Diego Boscá wrote: I agree with most of the points, but I'm curious why you say that 13606 does not support AQL (and in any case wouldn't be "AQL does not support 13606"?) Yes, that is a good question, I did not know that AQL was consid

Re: ACTION performer?

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 27/08/2015 10:18, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: So it’s possible to specify the role of each participant? yep - the PARTICIPATION type has 'function' i.e. 'role' (this name was adopted from 13606 a long time ago - probably too late to change). - thomas

Re: ACTION performer?

2015-08-27 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Silje, I agree that ACTION.performer would be a useful addition (optional) to the RM. For now, I model performer as a participation. ACTION.other_participations inherits ENTRY.other_participations http://www.openehr.org/releases/trunk/UML/#Diagrams___18_1_83e026d_1433173757197_893618_10673 Th

RE: ACTION performer?

2015-08-27 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland
So it’s possible to specify the role of each participant? Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of thomas.be...@oceaninformatics.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:09 AM To: Openehr-Technical Subject: Re: ACTION performer? Norm

Re: ACTION performer?

2015-08-27 Thread thomas . beale
Normally you would use participations. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Bakke, Silje Ljosland" To: "openehr-technical@lists.openehr.org" Subject: ACTION performer? Date: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 10:00 Hi all, According to Norwegian law, the performer or main performer of a procedur

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Seref Arikan
All of it is very, very generalizable :) On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Ian McNicoll wrote: > Presumably the outline syntax, SELECT, CONTAINS etc is generalisable? > > Ian > > Dr Ian McNicoll > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > office +44 (0)1536 414994 > skype: ianmcnicoll > email: i...@freshehr.

ACTION performer?

2015-08-27 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland
Hi all, According to Norwegian law, the performer or main performer of a procedure has to be explicitly recorded. The main performer is not necessarily the same person who records the action, so the COMPOSITION.composer RM object may not be used for this. We can't seem to find any complete desc

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Ian McNicoll
Presumably the outline syntax, SELECT, CONTAINS etc is generalisable? Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44 (0)1536 414994 skype: ianmcnicoll email: i...@freshehr.com twitter: @ianmcnicoll Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnic...@openehr.org Director, freshEHR Clinical Infor

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
Like the Ocean Archetype editor. It only supports the OpenEhr RM only. That is understandable and no problem. The market will fill in that gap. Op 27 aug. 2015 01:49 schreef "Heath Frankel" < heath.fran...@oceaninformatics.com>: > Technical, the original grammar for AQL was bound to openEHR RM cla