Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-02-06 Thread Sam Heard
To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:24:27 +0930 Hi Pablo One simple thing ? the FEEDER_AUDIT_DETAILS is there to let you record when something in this composition came from somewhere else

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-02-05 Thread pablo pazos
...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:24:27 +0930 Hi Pablo One simple thing ? the FEEDER_AUDIT_DETAILS is there to let you record when something in this composition came from somewhere else

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-31 Thread Heath Frankel
Hi Erik, I agree and I intended to say in my other response that I think this level of audit trail could be left to individual systems just like you use http-server log and I use an IHE ATNA implementation. Although it may be desirable to standardise the data model of the logs I see no reason to

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-31 Thread Sam Heard
but then it is not clear to others where this came from. You need more technical input on the rest. Cheers, Sam From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:03 AM To: openeh technical Subject: RE: Questions about

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-30 Thread Heath Frankel
I believe that the client application/machine should be recorded in a separate level audit log, something like the ihe atna. The contribution audit is intended to support thr versioning control in a distributed environment of eHR systems do when compositions are exchanged between systems we know

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-30 Thread Bert Verhees
Op 29-1-2013 21:48, Thomas Beale schreef: I would be interested in Pablo Bert's ideas... For my idea it serves to help identify the machine were the committer committed the dataset. It is hard to identify a machine absolutely, but combined with other facts, it can be a helpful hint. In a

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-30 Thread Erik Sundvall
Hi! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Thomas Beale thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com wrote: The point isn't for the server to know what is committed to itself, but for other systems to know where data that they are sent copies of, was originally committed. That was my understanding too.

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-30 Thread Thomas Beale
On 30/01/2013 08:07, Erik Sundvall wrote: Hi! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Thomas Beale thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com mailto:thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com wrote: The point isn't for the server to know what is committed to itself, but for other systems to know

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-30 Thread Bert Verhees
On 01/30/2013 09:07 AM, Erik Sundvall wrote: Maybe we need to contemplate capturing both the user device network id and the server id. My opinion is to leave that to the organization which uses the Kernel. Laws and organization-requirements can differ, and I think it is not for the

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-29 Thread Thomas Beale
On 23/01/2013 15:59, pablo pazos wrote: Hi Bert / Sam, Thanks for your answers. The idea is that the new COMPOSITION will be available to the EHR SYSTEM when it arrives to the SERVER. I understand the difference between finishing a COMPOSITION (e.g. signing and setting the end time) and

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread pablo pazos
Hi all, this question is related t oa previous thread: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/2012-November/007392.html I just want to check a couple of things to validate my implementation of an openEHR Server. The definition of AUDIT_DETAILS.system_id is:

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread Bert Verhees
On 01/23/2013 06:11 AM, pablo pazos wrote: The definition of AUDIT_DETAILS.system_id is: Identity of the system where the change was committed. Ideally this is a machine- and human-processable identifier, but it may not be.. Let's say I have a CLIENT where COMPOSITIONS are created, and a

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread Sam Heard
[mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Bert Verhees Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 8:50 PM To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS On 01/23/2013 06:11 AM, pablo pazos wrote: The definition

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread Bert Verhees
On 01/23/2013 02:05 PM, Sam Heard wrote: The commit time is the time that the author committed it to the system. I think, when this is the case, that the system-ID must be the system on which the author is working/committing, normally not the server. The server would not make sense. What one

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread Thomas Beale
On 23/01/2013 05:11, pablo pazos wrote: Hi all, this question is related t oa previous thread: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/2012-November/007392.html I just want to check a couple of things to validate my implementation of an openEHR Server.

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread pablo pazos
Hi Bert / Sam, Thanks for your answers. The idea is that the new COMPOSITION will be available to the EHR SYSTEM when it arrives to the SERVER. I understand the difference between finishing a COMPOSITION (e.g. signing and setting the end time) and committing it to be available to the system

Questions about commit and AUDIT_DETAILS

2013-01-23 Thread pablo pazos
Hi Thomas, The original idea was that a logical EHR service id would be used. A 'client id' is likely to be meaningless and untrackable. The id is only useful if it is relatively permanent, and future information requests can be made to that logical EHR system. It would also be