But you can't specify terms in DV_COUNT while DV_ORDINAL.symbol can be used
to specify the arbitrary units but not as physical property units of
measure, but as a terminology concept / term.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Thomas Beale
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> On 30/01/2018 16:24,
On 30/01/2018 16:24, Pablo Pazos wrote:
Hi Silje,
My thinking is for your use case, DV_QUANTITY doesn't apply for
arbitrary, since those seem not related with physical properties
(mass, length, area, concentration, etc.)
As I said, "level of X" makes me think of DV_ORDINAL.
or even
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> Hi Silje,
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On 29-01-18 15:22, Thomas Beale wrote:
Another idea is to change it to a CODE_PHRASE, with terminology_id = UCUM
Yes, I understand the decision, but IO regard it as a quick decision
which can cause problems on the longer term.
For the record, I object against this decision for the last
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I think there are several potential problems with this, and IMHO we are
stepping too much on what should be done in a terminolog
in the next couple of weeks? J
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e can have one
> Quantity element with the units Cel, m, kg, ml and [arb'U]?
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rstanding).
>>2. openEHR uses (implicitly I think, but it may be hidden somewhere
>>in the spec), the case-sensitive version of UCUM – therefore the U needs
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>>be upper case, see e.g. http://unitsofmeasure.org/ucum.html#para-45
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e U needs to be
>upper case, see e.g. http://unitsofmeasure.org/ucum.html#para-45
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Hi Silje,
I don't understand how adding an 'Arbitrary' term to the openEHR terminology
helps things. DV_QUANTITY.units is a UCUM String field. Won't the
On 27-01-18 11:16, Thomas Beale wrote:
Bert,
I don't disagree philosophically, but practically speaking, no SNOMED
service is going to be able to answer requests to do with unit
properties, unit conversions, or different forms of rendering, which
are all things we need to take care of
On 27-01-18 11:10, Bert Verhees wrote:
If one wants an UCUM term in the DvQuantity and another wants a SNOMED
term, it is both legal and possible.
What is preferable, that is not to us to decide while thinking about
OpenEhr.
But having said this
Until now, in practice, people use the
Bert,
I don't disagree philosophically, but practically speaking, no SNOMED
service is going to be able to answer requests to do with unit
properties, unit conversions, or different forms of rendering, which are
all things we need to take care of properly.
I actually think units is one of
On 26-01-18 10:00, Thomas Beale wrote:
The thing I am not a fan of is that units themselves become part of
terminology. This is a SNOMED direction but I think a wrong one. The
reason is that the ontology of units isn't the same as the ontology of
findings, medications and so on. In fact they
Semantic Interoperability is possible only when each. distinct domain:
has its own model
has its own rules
and always orthogonal to other models.
A terminology can be equated to a Dictionary.
A terminology is never an Encyclopedia of everything.
We need a terminology of concepts related to the
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In my mind, this should be done not by fixing a property but by
defining a constraint reference pointing to the service/set of
codes that
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UCUM basicly is a terminological system.
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> On 26 Jan 2018, at 09:41, Diego Boscá wrote:
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> I think there are several potential problems with this, and
On 26-01-18 10:40, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote:
(We are literally talking about a 'public available UCUM service')
I don't think that is necessary, UCUM is a very small service, which can
also be in software as a library or small external service in
microservice architecture.
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Subject: Re: Quantities of arbitrary units in openEHR
In my mind, this should be done not by fixing a property but by defining a
constraint reference pointing to the service/set of codes that can provide you
with all mass units
2018-01-26 10:
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> I think there are several potential problems with this, and IMHO we are
> stepping too much on what
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Im Auftrag von Thomas Beale
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Januar 2018 09:13
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Betreff: Re: Quantiti
The thing I am not a fan of is that units themselves become part of
terminology. This is a SNOMED direction but I think a wrong one. The
reason is that the ontology of units isn't the same as the ontology of
findings, medications and so on. In fact they all have different
ontologies, and
m Auftrag von Thomas Beale
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Januar 2018 09:13
> An: openehr-technical@lists.openehr.org
> Betreff: Re: Quantities of arbitrary units in openEHR
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> Right - at the moment, it is a 'fake' field in archetypes, enabled by
> being in the BMM or other expre
Right - at the moment, it is a 'fake' field in archetypes, enabled by
being in the BMM or other expression of the RM. It's convenient to do
this occasionally, since we don't think 'property' needs to be a field
of DV_QUANTITY - but maybe it should be, since for some of the more
esoteric units,
Ah I was being dense, I thought you were talking about the units field,
not the property field. In that case, what would it mean if property
were set to 'Arbitrary' - does that mean the units has to be from the
current list of arbitrary units, which is not-length, not-pressure,
not-everything
, 25. Januar 2018 10:25
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Hi Silje,
I don't understand how adding an 'Arbitrary' term to the openEHR terminology
helps things. DV_QUANTITY.units is a
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Hi Silje,
I don't understand how adding an 'Arbitrary' term to the openEHR terminology
helps things. DV_QUANTITY.units is a UCUM String field. Won't the strange units
just turn up in the String form y
Hi Silje,
I don't understand how adding an 'Arbitrary' term to the openEHR
terminology helps things. DV_QUANTITY.units is a UCUM String field.
Won't the strange units just turn up in the String form you quoted for
UCUM arbitrary units in that field?
(BTW, to ask for a new terminology term,
It would be good if OpenEhr RM would support the UCUM-properties fully
in the DvQuantity, then all problems regarding units would be over for
the next 20 years, and no maintenance on customer or OpenEHR-foundation
side is needed. UCUM is, I think, widely regarded as the most important
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