[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
Mike DeMarco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a laptop and a desktop both running Build 75. Both have ch=
anged the time twice so that both systems Fell back by a total of two=
hours.
Anyone else see this?
Me too, although this happened a week
You can live there if you want: http://www.lifeatsolaris.com/
Hard to believe, but some are skeptical: http://
condohype.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/depreciation-at-meadows-gate/
We now return you to our previously-scheduled discussion of Open-
Source operating systems.
-T
I'm thingking $50 per laptop to get patches for a year.
Dave
Fifty bucks a pop. This is a very interesting number.
Although twice retired (the second time definitely for real and for good), I
still travel quite extensively to the Greater China area (兩岸三地). There are two
numbers that I
Shawn Walker wrote:
and voting on every issue is likely to end in deadlock either due to
the apathy of eligible voters [31] or a vocal minority that prevents
consensus from being achieved.
Bearing in mind there's only ever been one vote I think it's a little
premature to say that our
Alan Burlison wrote:
Bearing in mind there's only ever been one vote
Before someone points it out, there have been two - the Community
priorities/Test vote and the OGB/Constitution vote.
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Shawn Walker wrote:
This proposal is intended to provoke productive discussion,
surrounding our current governance structure, by highlighting some of
the deficiencies that currently exist. While not exhaustive, it
attempts to explain why the current governance structure is
insufficient for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
Mike DeMarco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a laptop and a desktop both running Build 75. Both have ch=
anged the time twice so that both systems Fell back by a total of two=
hours.
Anyone else see this?
Joerg Schilling wrote:
John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you're aiming for simplicity. Manually setting $PATH and $SHELL is not
simplicity. Forcing everyone to use the GNUserland isn't either.
An dialog box somewhere in the 'advanced' install path I think, is.
I would prefer
Sarah Jelinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There simply wasn't time. And, since this is a prototype we felt that
the way we did this was ok. In actuality though, some of Indiana has
been ARC'd. The installer pieces were ARC'd as part of Dwarf Caiman(SXDE).
Oh, a couple of other things
John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell that to whoever violated ARC by putting /usr/gnu at the head of
$PATH in the indiana preview ;)
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities to apply.
For this reason, it should be an act of own will to do it but not
John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you're aiming for simplicity. Manually setting $PATH and $SHELL is not
simplicity. Forcing everyone to use the GNUserland isn't either.
An dialog box somewhere in the 'advanced' install path I think, is.
I would prefer to see an automated MANPATH.
Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why we need to do the work necessary to figure out how to make
the GNU variant environment a first-class environment on solaris.
If this should happen, care must be taken to make the tools behave as POSIX
compliant as possible. With GNU tar,
On 06/11/2007, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
and voting on every issue is likely to end in deadlock either due to
the apathy of eligible voters [31] or a vocal minority that prevents
consensus from being achieved.
Bearing in mind there's only ever been one
This is already being discussed[1] in opensolaris-code with a similar
proposal. However note that it isn't just stuff in $PATH that has
interesting man pages, config files libraries etc need to be found too
so a purely based on $PATH use of $MANPATH may not be sufficient.
Still, libraries
The fact that GNU tools extensively document non-POSIX options, pople=
tend to write non-portable scripts as a result.
Yep, I tried to configure a recent mplayer its configure has now
deteriorated to requiring GNU grep (grep -q, what does that mean?) and
it complaints about ! command not
It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing body.
The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that so little
progress in certain areas has been made implies to me that they do not
work.
What specific areas are you thinking of? How is progress hampered
and how
W. Wayne Liauh writes:
My perception is that some old guards (old, in terms of Solaris
experience, not necessarily old age) took this opportunity and
ganged together to try to stage a coup against the new management.
So far, this new management--whatever that means--seems to be
doing
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 13:58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep, I tried to configure a recent mplayer its configure has now
deteriorated to requiring GNU grep (grep -q, what does that mean?)
grep -q is accepted by /usr/xpg4/bin/grep. According to the precedent
set by PSARC 2005/683, it's a
On 06/11/2007, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 06/11/2007, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What does 'with' mean? Who gets the final say? This person would br
doing what, exactly? ('leadership and vision' is way to vague). If it
is full-time, paid by who? What about
On 06/11/2007, Patrick Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
The real issue behind our current troubles is not primarily technical
or logistical (as the author erroneously previously believed) in
nature; it is not about naming, trademarks, or branding; it is about
the failure
On 06/11/2007, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
W. Wayne Liauh writes:
but, unfortunately, he (there is no she in the OGB) cannot stop me from
doing the perceiving.
I agree that we need a more diverse leadership in _many_ ways -- in
terms of affiliation, geography, background, and,
Shawn Walker wrote:
premature to say that our existing mechanisms don't work. And the
It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing body.
The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that so little
progress in certain areas has been made implies to me that they
On 06/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing body.
The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that so little
progress in certain areas has been made implies to me that they do not
work.
What specific
Anthony Juckel wrote:
Again, as a relative outsider to the community (though I acknowledge
that the simple fact that I'm reading and posting here means I'm more
engaged with the community than someone who first browsed
opensolaris.org today), the questions that I'm left with from this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg
Schilling) wrote:
Mike DeMarco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a laptop and a desktop both running Build
75. Both have ch=
anged the time twice so that both systems Fell back
by a total of two=
hours.
Anyone else see this?
Me too, although this
On 06/11/2007, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
premature to say that our existing mechanisms don't work. And the
It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing body.
The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that so little
On 06/11/2007, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6-Nov-07, at 7:24 AM, Shawn Walker wrote:
On 06/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing
body.
The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that
Alan Burlison wrote:
That's a clear misrepresentation of the situation.
It is quite clear
hat everyone understands that Sun is the holder of
the trademark, what
has been asked for discussion and eventual joint
agreement of the rules
governing the use of the trademark - something that I
Since the clock is not changed for DST only a reference to a table offset
from GMT, why would the clock change by two hours? The clock should not
change just a -4 going to -5 from GMT for EST. I don't understand how dual
boot would affect this?
Please help me to understand.
The Solaris/Unix
Shawn Walker wrote:
I have not proposed a discarding of structures though. I have instead
proposed a further empowerment of them, and then an alteration to
them.
You've 'proposed' vesting an unknown amount of power in an unknown
person ('a leader') for an unknown amount of time, with unknown
How do you change the default media player out from being Totem. Not that there
is anything wrong with Totem (except that it will not play any file type I try.)
I would like to be able to change the default to point to xine or xmms or
mplayer anything but totem. I have tried to change it in the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fact that GNU tools extensively document non-POSIX options, pople=
tend to write non-portable scripts as a result.
Yep, I tried to configure a recent mplayer its configure has now
deteriorated to requiring GNU grep (grep -q, what does that mean?)
grep -q is a
Il Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:24:48 Mike DeMarco ha scritto:
How do you change the default media player out from being Totem.
Not that there is anything wrong with Totem (except that it will
not play any file type I try.) I would like to be able to change
the default to point to xine or xmms
Shawn Walker wrote:
Time and time again it has been said that the OGB can only act as an
arbiter of sorts; it is my belief that they must be empowered to
actually *guide* the community.
We are learning a lot about how to govern ourselves. One of the things
I have learned is that leading is
On 06/11/2007, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
I have not proposed a discarding of structures though. I have instead
proposed a further empowerment of them, and then an alteration to
them.
You've 'proposed' vesting an unknown amount of power in an unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is already being discussed[1] in opensolaris-code with a similar
proposal. However note that it isn't just stuff in $PATH that has
interesting man pages, config files libraries etc need to be found too
so a purely based on $PATH use of $MANPATH may not be
Anthony Juckel wrote:
Again, as a relative outsider to the community
(though I acknowledge
that the simple fact that I'm reading and posting
here means I'm more
engaged with the community than someone who first
browsed
opensolaris.org today), the questions that I'm left
with from
Shawn Walker wrote:
[more stuff]
Please don't cc me on any more mail on this subject, I won't be taking
any further part, nor will I be reading the traffic on opensolaris-discuss.
Thanks,
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Mike DeMarco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But was only one instance of Solaris installed or did
you boot two
different instances?
Casper
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Since the clock is not changed for DST only a reference to a table offset
from GMT, why would the clock change by two hours? The clock should
On 11/6/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This proposal is intended to provoke productive discussion...
Productive !?
Fixing the wrong problem at the wrong place...
-Shiv
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I put a SCSI disk originally formated, partitioned, and loaded with data
on a SPARC machine, into a X86 machine I just installed NV b74 on.
When I run format, I see the disk in the list, and select it, but when I
go to check the partition table, format tells me to go run fdisk first.
Won't
I put a SCSI disk originally formated, partitioned, and loaded with data
on a SPARC machine, into a X86 machine I just installed NV b74 on.
When I run format, I see the disk in the list, and select it, but when I
go to check the partition table, format tells me to go run fdisk first.
Jürgen Keil wrote:
Format the disk with a zpool / zfs (using an EFI disk label), and both SPARC
and x86 can use it.
Ok. But is there any way to get at the data that is on this disk right
now from X86 Solaris?
-Kyle
This message posted from opensolaris.org
Darren J Moffat wrote:
Kyle McDonald wrote:
andrewk9 wrote:
Assuming your disk has UFS partitions on it then no, you can't do
that. UFS was not designed to be movable between architectures. The
main reason you cannot do this is that the on-disk formats are
incompatible by default due to
I just thought there might be a compatibility mode where the driver
or fs did the endian translation.
Thanks for the info... I'm off to track down a SPARC machine.
As another option, I think Linux UFS implementation has endian
translation, 'ufstype' mount option.
-Artem
Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
I just thought there might be a compatibility mode where the driver
or fs did the endian translation.
Thanks for the info... I'm off to track down a SPARC machine.
As another option, I think Linux UFS implementation has endian
translation, 'ufstype' mount
Mike:
How do you change the default media player out from being Totem. Not that
there is
anything wrong with Totem (except that it will not play any file type
I try.)
This is probably because you haven't built the GStreamer plugins needed
to support the MIME types you want to play, not
Really, Will it be ok with no FDisk partition? and will it be able to
use the SPARC vtoc to find the UFS partition?
Not sure, what I would do is boot up a livecd and try mounting various
/dev/sd* devices.
-Artem
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Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
Really, Will it be ok with no FDisk partition? and will it be able to
use the SPARC vtoc to find the UFS partition?
Not sure, what I would do is boot up a livecd and try mounting various
/dev/sd* devices.
-Artem
I think I'll try Caspers tools first, but if they
So basically I'm looking for an higher end Ultra 2 or Ultra 5 or newer.
Ok. Thanks!
If you can dd the disk image, I can probably provide you with some tools
to find the ddiskpartition and to convert (fsck needed) the partitions
to x86 format.
Casper
Kyle McDonald wrote:
andrewk9 wrote:
Assuming your disk has UFS partitions on it then no, you can't do that. UFS
was not designed to be movable between architectures. The main reason you
cannot do this is that the on-disk formats are incompatible by default
due to x86 processors being
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So basically I'm looking for an higher end Ultra 2 or Ultra 5 or newer.
Ok. Thanks!
If you can dd the disk image, I can probably provide you with some tools
to find the ddiskpartition and to convert (fsck needed) the partitions
to x86 format.
Casper
Shawn Walker writes:
If no one disputes who owns it; then why are there disputes over its use?
I would have thought that this was obvious, but apparently it's not.
Nobody disputes that Sun is the owner of that trademark and thus has
the legal right to specify how it is to be used. That wasn't
Nico:
I agree: I consider better not having a default media player than
having one as castrated as totem (because the useful decoders aren't
installed, I guess)
Totem uses GStreamer which is a pluggable interface. To support
additional codecs, you just need to acquire and install the
James Carlson wrote:
Shawn Walker writes:
If no one disputes who owns it; then why are there disputes over its use?
I would have thought that this was obvious, but apparently it's not.
Nobody disputes that Sun is the owner of that trademark and thus has
the legal right to specify how it is
On 06/11/2007, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker writes:
If no one disputes who owns it; then why are there disputes over its use?
I would have thought that this was obvious, but apparently it's not.
I'm actually aware of these concerns, it's just I don't understand why
Alan Coopersmith writes:
If Sun management has decided it wants to move from the democratic
model of open source project to the benevolent dictator model, it
needs to come out and say so. As Shawn pointed out, other projects
have worked that way - certainly Ubuntu has managed to make it work
Shawn Walker wrote:
Time and time again it has been said that the OGB can only act as an
arbiter of sorts; it is my belief that they must be empowered to
actually *guide* the community.
I strongly agree on this point. When I first went up for election, I thought the
board was going to be
Shawn Walker writes:
#3 I don't agree with at all. As the trademark holder, Sun should get
to decide whether or not a core distribution exists.
They can certainly do that. If they do so without taking into account
the wishes of the community, they can do that too, though the results
may be
On 06/11/2007, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker writes:
#3 I don't agree with at all. As the trademark holder, Sun should get
to decide whether or not a core distribution exists.
They can certainly do that. If they do so without taking into account
the wishes of the
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
At the bottom of the organizational tree, perhaps. As long as I'm not doing
anything clearly insane (Make twm the only window manager you can use), I
can pretty much do what I want in X. You could name similar people in many
projects across OpenSolaris.The
On 11/6/07, Brian Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are
the sort of user who thinks OpenOffice is better because it is open,
then consider using ogg-vorbis, theora, FLAC, Speex, or other open
formats for your audio and video as well. Don't be a free and open
software hypocrite.
As I've mentioned numerous times before, it's not the particular
implementation users are after, it's functionality.
users don't want gnu tar per se, they want tar -z... or tar -j. We can
have a standards compliant tar with the -z or -j options, and I'm sure
ARC won't complain too much.
Here's the October issue of the OpenSolaris Community Newsletter:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/newsletter/october/
Thanks to all for your contributions. If you have any content you would
like to submit for November's newsletter, please send them to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I would try to optimise my Solaris system by disabling un-necessary
services. One of the ones I disabled was fc-fabric
(svc:/system/device/fc-fabric:default). After rebooting the system would only
go into single user mode. I re-enabled the service again, and was able to get
to
Hey,
Brian Cameron wrote:
You should make sure your other player also has a similar line with the
MimeTypes it supports. You probably need to run update-mime-database
after changing this.
If you don't want to use totem, it might help to delete the MimeType
line from the totem.desktop
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 06/11/2007, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities to
apply.
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause a huge class
of potential
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
James Carlson wrote:
I don't think I agree that our current constitution allows for a
dictator, benevolent or otherwise. Should Sun's management actually
announce that this is in fact what it wants to do, that sounds exactly
like the kind of community-wide change
James Carlson wrote:
I don't think I agree that our current constitution allows for a
dictator, benevolent or otherwise. Should Sun's management actually
announce that this is in fact what it wants to do, that sounds exactly
like the kind of community-wide change that the current constitution
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities to
apply.
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause a huge class
of potential Solaris users to be confused and irritated and many of
them will walk away.
The
On 6-Nov-07, at 1:10 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities to
apply.
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause a huge class
of potential Solaris users to be confused and
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities to
apply.
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause a huge class
of potential Solaris users to be confused and irritated and many of
them will walk away.
The
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause
I'm not at all sure that this change would actually affect me - or most
of y'all either.
Since our target growth market for OpenSolaris is users of linux systems
where gnutools
John Plocher wrote:
Putting /usr/gnu at the head of PATH causes incompatibilities
Failure to put /usr/gnu at the head of PATH will cause
I'm not at all sure that this change would actually affect me - or most
of y'all either.
I think there is something being missed
Hi!
2007-11-05: ksh93 _update tarballs_ for OpenSolaris = B72
These tarballs are intended to be installed over an existing OpenSolaris
i386 or SPARC installation (= Nevada B72) to update the provided ksh93
installation to ksh93sü_20071101.
Note that the binaries are provided for testing
In the FROSUG we have 6 or 7 active leaders that
organize the user group meetings and share the
administration responsibilities (like a mini OBG).
In addition, we have one person who volunteers to
be the main organizer and Point of Contact. They
become the main conduit to the outside world.
This
Brandorr wrote:
Derek
Possibly I am misunderstanding. I thought the minisite, was not a
distro minisite, but was rather a cleaner and simpler homepage to
capture the growing number of non-developers that are being attracted
to the community.
IE: a simpler OpenSolaris homepage. Not a new
Kyle,
Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
I just thought there might be a compatibility mode where the
driver
or fs did the endian translation.
Thanks for the info... I'm off to track down a SPARC machine.
As another option, I think Linux UFS implementation has endian
translation, 'ufstype'
The only two Solaris file systems that are endian-neutral are ISO
9660 (High Sierra), which is read-only, and of course ZFS.
UDF and FAT are also endian neutral, aren't they.
-artem
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Roland, do you know if the version of ksh93 at blastwave is recent
enough to get a feel for the interactive shell?
On Oct 31, 2007 8:10 PM, Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
[If you run Solaris 11 = B72 please ignore this]
A new set of tarballs containing an OS/Net version of
John Plocher wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
Time and time again it has been said that the OGB can only act as an
arbiter of sorts; it is my belief that they must be empowered to
actually *guide* the community.
We are learning a lot about how to govern ourselves. One of the things
I have
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