On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:14:14PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
The problem is that the creators of the Linux distributions
keep their users uninformed.
They don't know that the command line features they see are features
from bash.
... and they don't know that Linux does not come with
Peter C. Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:14:14PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
The problem is that the creators of the Linux distributions
keep their users uninformed.
They don't know that the command line features they see are features
from bash.
...
Peter C. Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:14:14PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
The problem is that the creators of the Linux distributions
keep their users uninformed.
They don't know that the command line features they see are features
from bash.
...
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Solaris was designed to meet specific goals and needs, just because it
doesn't meet someone else's specific goals or needs does not mean it
is faulty :)
Solaris does have dofferent defaults than Linux. It is not a fault from
Solaris if Linux users don't
Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will
never get past
When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done
that since 1995!
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did
publish Schillix,
the first OpenSolaris based distro. These
MC wrote:
Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will
never get past
When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done
that since 1995!
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did
publish Schillix,
the first
MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will
never get past
When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done
that since 1995!
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did
publish Schillix,
the
On 06/04/07, MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will
never get past
When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done
that since 1995!
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did
publish Schillix,
the
Out of curiousity, what gives you the feeling of
assurance knowing that Ian is
at Sun, that you didn't have before you knew he
was here?
It gives the guys here hope that Solaris will move
faster to adopt
things like /usr/gnu, and generally adopt the
usability improvements
Linux has
Hi Alan,
its very nice, to see u here, I am also new to solaris, now I am assured to
get a stable version of solaris, under your supervision.
This has not been our experience with Solaris. And we run Gentoo and
OpenSolaris side-by-side to run our service.
Out of curiousity, what gives
Please, no entrenched GNOME or gcc.
What does that mean?
It means please do not take it down the Nexenta road
of using gcc built packages and fat unstable GNOME. It
is a real pity that firefox and thunderbird use gtk. I
am not saying everything gnome is bad but the
underlying gtk stuff is
Nicolas Linkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
The idea behind Debian was good and still is good.
The problem with Debian today is that too many people inside
do no longer follow the
On 26/03/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, no entrenched GNOME or gcc.
What does that mean?
It means please do not take it down the Nexenta road
of using gcc built packages and fat unstable GNOME. It
fat unstable GNOME -- you realise that Sun chose GNOME as
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 26/03/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, no entrenched GNOME or gcc.
What does that mean?
It means please do not take it down the Nexenta road
of using gcc built packages and fat unstable GNOME. It
fat unstable GNOME -- you realise
What I, with the few but existing experiences I've had with it,
disfavor in GNOME is the fact that it does not look and feel good. It
looks old, gray and basic, and does not work intuitively. KDE has a
much fresher look, and has in my opinion a more intuitive interface.
For example, I never
that can't be
cured with a snazzy theme?
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Subject:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: joining Sun
From: Thomas De Schampheleire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27/03/2007 5:59 pm
What I, with the few but existing experiences I've had with it,
disfavor in GNOME is the fact
On Tuesday 27 March 2007 04:49 am, Shawn Walker wrote:
fat unstable GNOME -- you realise that Sun chose GNOME as the
desktop a long time ago for Solaris? I also think that your
description of GNOME is rather unfair, and rather inaccurate.
It might be innacurate, but this has long been the view
[i]There are some interesting connections to Linux here as well. If you
think about it, what do people want when they say they want Linux?
The Linux kernel? Or the Linux distribution (i.e., GNU)? Could Solaris
become a better Linux than Linux by following that line of thinking?
And if you
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
That is a matter of preference. I always hated the
-- options GNU
utilities use since they were so much more to type.
I will admit
You and me both!
Add me to that list.
--switch is not the UNIX(R) way. It's inconsistent with the -[a-zA-Z]
I will admit GNU/Linux systems get you used to typing cmd --help
instead of man
cmd which I think is a bad habit. I think most
people got used to
doing this since documentation is something that was
usually
completely overlooked on most GNU/Linux
distributions...
...Or in plain English:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, UNIX admin wrote:
Add me to that list.
--switch is not the UNIX(R) way. It's inconsistent with the
-[a-zA-Z] phylosophy, and consistency is one of the most important
benefits and perks UNIX has to offer.
Another thing that I find almost annoying is the use of -switch
On 26/03/07, Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[i]There are some interesting connections to Linux here as well. If you
think about it, what do people want when they say they want Linux?
The Linux kernel? Or the Linux distribution (i.e., GNU)? Could Solaris
become a better Linux than
As a Linux user who has recently started working with
the OpenSolaris
kernel for a project, I have been thinking about this
as well.
What I personally find important in Linux is:
- the user experience, mostly embodied by the KDE
desktop environment.
I don't like Gnome, so I don't like
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 08:17 pm, P SRINIVASA RAO wrote:
its very nice, to see u here, I am also new to solaris, now I am assured to
get a stable version of solaris, under your supervision.
Ouch, many of my colleagues will most likely be hurt by that comment.
Considering that Solaris is
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining
Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Somehow I seriously doubt that. Jörg showed Debian on number of occassions how
crappy the Linux code was, especially the SCSI implementation, delivered
patches... instead of embracing him with open arms,
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, UNIX admin wrote:
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining
Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Somehow I seriously doubt that. Jörg showed Debian on number of occassions how
crappy the Linux code was, especially the SCSI implementation, delivered
patches...
Jason Ozolins writes:
Blastwave package upgrade == package remove followed by package install. Not
like, say, RPM's handing of upgrades at all. The service stops while the
upgrade happens. Not to mention, some of our config files got creamed (this
is really the packager's problem rather
On Mar 21, 2007, at 04:46, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 02:59 pm, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Ah, now it's all making sense...I did note he
James Carlson wrote:
Jason Ozolins writes:
Blastwave package upgrade == package remove followed by package install. Not
like, say, RPM's handing of upgrades at all. The service stops while the
upgrade happens. Not to mention, some of our config files got creamed (this is
really the
Moinak Ghosh writes:
A Solaris upgrade (as opposed to patches) uses packages. The
difference is that the upgrade process uses SVr4 'admin' files when
necessary. Blastwave could do this with instance=overwrite, and
probably should, but it doesn't.
But overwriting with new
Jason Ozolins writes:
Blastwave package upgrade == package remove followed by package install.
Not like, say, RPM's handing of upgrades at all. The service stops while
the upgrade happens. Not to mention, some of our config files got creamed
(this is really the packager's problem rather
Dennis Clarke wrote:
Jason Ozolins writes:
Blastwave package upgrade == package remove followed by package install.
Not like, say, RPM's handing of upgrades at all. The service stops while
the upgrade happens. Not to mention, some of our config files got creamed
(this is really the
Yes; that's what the 'package history' mechanism is about in Solaris
upgrades.
It is more complicated than I suggested, and I think there's likely an
RFE or two buried in here.
In any event, it's not really why we use patches. Patches represent
an atomic change to objects in multiple
Dennis Clarke writes:
So now we have some new binaries, some data files that have not changed,
some binaries that are the same again.
Patch or Package ?
It can be either.
The current method we employ is to remove the whole collection and use the
standards compliant SVR4 tools to achieve
Martin Bochnig writes:
Everyone who thinks he can improve something should go ahead and JOIN
BLASTWAVE.
Or build up his own stack.
Rather than complaining on public lists.
If we can't even discuss the issues on a public list, how exactly do
you propose that we end up working together on
Dennis Clarke writes:
The other issue that arises here is that a patch has a dependency tree also.
If I have a package that requires only a few small changes then a patch
makes sense. If I then make another release with a few more changes then we
have yet another patch. However these patches
James Carlson wrote:
Martin Bochnig writes:
Everyone who thinks he can improve something should go ahead and JOIN
BLASTWAVE.
Or build up his own stack.
Rather than complaining on public lists.
If we can't even discuss the issues on a public list, how exactly do
you propose that we
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 05:59 am, Simon Phipps wrote:
Now, y'all boys realize what this leads to. Simon joining MSFT.
Don't make me say it! Wait, I just said it... Owh.
They stopped calling a year or so ago...
That does give you some credence, they stopped calling me close to 20 years
On Mar 21, 2007, at 04:46, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 02:59 pm, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Ah, now it's all making sense...I did note
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
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On Tuesday 20 March 2007 02:59 pm, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Ah, now it's all making sense...I did note he had some good things to say
about Debian in his OGB podcast, maybe Joerg
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, David Lloyd wrote:
Indeed, apt-get for Solaris would be quite useful
:P
Blastwave.org is thataway -
Sad to say, but upgrading services (ldap, web, etc) running from Blastwave
packages caused us a bunch of grief. We went back to building our own.
Doing a
hello Ian
its very nice, to see u here, I am also new to solaris, now I am assured to get
a stable version of solaris, under your supervision.
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hello Ian
its very nice, to see u here, I am also new to
solaris, now I am assured to get a stable version of
solaris, under your supervision.
The arrival of a respected figure is one thing, but I think that (allowing
for the odd glitch nothing so complicated is ever totally free of),
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 02:59 pm, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
That's really good news.
The next big bang may be: Jörg Schilling is joining Debian.
Everything seems possible ;)
Ah, now it's all making sense...I did note he had some good things to say
about Debian in his OGB
I just wanted
to say hello, and to make sure you heard the news
directly from me.
Later,
-ian
--
Ian Murdock
http://ianmurdock.com/
Wow, I remember you. You were debIAN when Debian was cool. Mahalo.
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First things first: I'm a long time Linux user,
developer, and advocate.
I founded Debian in 1993, co-founded a Linux
distribution company called
Progeny in 1999, and most recently served as CTO of
the new Linux
Foundation, where I was (and still am) chair of the
LSB, the Linux
platform
I am more concerned about regular solaris - will it suffer because of an
emphasis on linux/open-solaris
george r smith
Congratulations.
So, let me be very direct (as always): what do you have in mind for
(Open)Solaris?
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One of our (OpenSolaris /and/ Sun) big problems is getting a handle on
how these two worlds can/should/must evolve and interoperate with each
other. Having Ian on board with his strong Linux background can't help
but bring much needed clarity and focus to this chaotic area. I'm certain
that
Oh boy, we are in for some fun times. This Ian guy is uniquely on the ball from
what I just read on his blog. I think he could either do great things with
Solaris, or try to do great things and be kicked off the boat :)
And now for some one-way discussion and/or hazing.
Solaris is great
On Monday 19 March 2007 01:37 pm, James Carlson wrote:
george r smith writes:
I am more concerned about regular solaris - will it suffer because of an
emphasis on linux/open-solaris
I don't think the divide between regular Solaris and OpenSolaris that
you're suggesting in fact exists.
I
Hi Ian,
It is great that Sun could make you part of the team, you have a wealth of
experience and credibility within the open source community that can do nothing
but benefit not only Sun but the OpenSolaris Community as well.
I look forward to reading your thoughts and opinions within these
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