Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking to the NetBeans guys from Prague at JavaOne, and they are very interested in OpenSolaris and in doing some stuff with our Czech OpenSolaris user group. So, perhaps we -- as communities -- can start collaborating in some way ... at least

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-09 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking to the NetBeans guys from Prague at JavaOne, and they are very interested in OpenSolaris and in doing some stuff with our Czech OpenSolaris user group. So, perhaps we -- as communities -- can start collaborating in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Joerg Schilling wrote: Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking to the NetBeans guys from Prague at JavaOne, and they are very interested in OpenSolaris and in doing some stuff with our Czech OpenSolaris user group. So, perhaps we -- as communities -- can start collaborating in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-06 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Jim Grisanzio wrote: And also, I'm going to use my proximity to the rest of Asia to poke around throughout the entire region. I'll do very little travel to the US, actually -- probably only once a year. It will be Asia first, Europe second. But in terms of my online activities, everything

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-05 Thread Laura Ramsey
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Joerg and Thomas are correct to point out the university issue, but things will turn around. Inside Sun, this is being taken seriously. I would like to make a suggestion, and task you specifically to take that

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: On 6/4/06, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Thomas Nau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Sun itself: in my opinion they dropped the desktop many years ago during the dot-gone era. They forgot about their own roots and the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Thomas Nau
Jim, ... But unfortunately the situation has become so bad now that Sun would need to agressivly approach the people in the univsersities who are responsible for the computer pools to make Solaris be present again in the universities. We are making progress. I see the guys in China have been

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread UNIX admin
When I move to Japan, I hope to get closely involved with community building at universities throughout Asia. I envy you for moving to Japan! But anyways, perhaps you'd be so kind as to update us on what things are like on the Sun HW / Solaris front in Japan when you get settled in? I for

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread UNIX admin
Joerg and Thomas are correct to point out the university issue, but things will turn around. Inside Sun, this is being taken seriously. I would like to make a suggestion, and task you specifically to take that suggestion back to the Sun education and marketing execs, provided you are willing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
Oh, I think there are massive community building opportunities in South America. Whenever anyone goes to Brazil, for example, they seem to be extremely impressed. I don't know much about the region myself, but just observing the Java community there gives me great hope. I see that Jonathan was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Thomas Nau wrote: I agree, Sun is pretty straight forward in China and some other areas in Asia as I could see myself in Beijing. Attending the same conference as Teresa and Glenn I had later on the honor of giving presentations at one of the local Universities and those people are REALLY

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Jim Grisanzio
UNIX admin wrote: I envy you for moving to Japan! Thanks. :) It should be wild. I'll be in Sun's office in Yokohama: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/12375033/in/set-302056/ But I'd like to also spend a lot of time at the offices in Tokyo ... only a half hour away via train. But

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-04 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Joerg and Thomas are correct to point out the university issue, but things will turn around. Inside Sun, this is being taken seriously. I would like to make a suggestion, and task you specifically to take that suggestion back to the Sun education and marketing execs, provided you are

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-03 Thread UNIX admin
Which important piece of IBM software was opensourced? No major IBM's SW had been open sourced, as far as I know. Last I checked, AIX 5L was still a closed product that cost money, on top of the expensive IBM Power CPU based hardware. I wanted to get the lowest cost 1U Power based server to

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-03 Thread UNIX admin
Yeah, might be true to some extent - but the reality is different. Normally you have Windows, Solaris, zOS, AIX, HP NonStop and maybe Linux. This is partially true, to the extent that you will have a salad of operating systems and hardware in small to midsize shops. Large shops have these

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-03 Thread Stefan Parvu
No major IBM's SW had been open sourced, as far as I know. Exactly. IBM has done nothing to open source their software stack: z/OS, AIX, DB2, Websphere. I think they are not even looking to do that... since it is very complicated, time consuming - much easier: confuse the world with Linux, sign

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-03 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Joerg Schilling wrote: Thomas Nau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Sun itself: in my opinion they dropped the desktop many years ago during the dot-gone era. They forgot about their own roots and the university kids at the time didn't learn Solaris but Linux and those are the ones to drive

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-03 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 6/4/06, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Thomas Nau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Sun itself: in my opinion they dropped the desktop many years ago during the dot-gone era. They forgot about their own roots and the university kids at the time didn't learn

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-02 Thread UNIX admin
Really? How so? I personally think this is the one area where Linux and some of the commercial Linux distributions shine. I can't wait for Sun to address patch management in Solaris, and hope they will release a solution similar to what is provided in Redhat Satellite Server (which

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-02 Thread Nicolas Linkert
Really? How so? I personally think this is the one area where Linux and some of the commercial Linux distributions shine. I can't wait for Sun to address patch management in Solaris, and hope they will release a solution similar to what is provided in Redhat Satellite Server

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86 customer

2006-06-02 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
You might think that Linux shines in that area. Obviously you've never dealt with platform provisioning and engineering in any structured matter to know what's all involved. Had you ever designed and built a JumpStart infrastructure that automatically installs and configures thousands of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest

2006-06-02 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 04:42:12AM -0700, Nicolas Linkert wrote: What do companies want? Most of them want a product: - that's independent from a vendor - that's why many choose Debian - and not Red Hat or SUSE - - they need a business desktop / they need a reliable server - they want