Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Chris Dent chd...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: Haven't had any time to get anything written down (pressing deadlines with StackTach.v3) but open to suggestions. Perhaps we should just add something to the olso.messaging etherpad to

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-14 Thread Sandy Walsh
From: Doug Hellmann [d...@doughellmann.com] Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:19 PM It might be more appropriate to put it on the cross-project session list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics Done ... thanks! ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Dent
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: Haven't had any time to get anything written down (pressing deadlines with StackTach.v3) but open to suggestions. Perhaps we should just add something to the olso.messaging etherpad to find time at the summit to talk about it? Have you got a link for

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-07 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: Good goals. When Producer and Consumer know what to expect, things are good ... I know to find the Instance ID here. When the consumer wants to deal with a notification as a generic object, things get tricky (find the instance ID in the payload, What is

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-07 Thread Sandy Walsh
From: Chris Dent [chd...@redhat.com] Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:07 PM On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: Good goals. When Producer and Consumer know what to expect, things are good ... I know to find the Instance ID here. When the consumer wants to deal with a notification as a generic

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-10-07 Thread Sandy Walsh
From: Sandy Walsh [sandy.wa...@rackspace.com] Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:07 PM Haven't had any time to get anything written down (pressing deadlines with StackTach.v3) but open to suggestions. Perhaps we should just add something to the olso.messaging etherpad to find time at the summit to

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-10 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/03/2014 11:21 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: On 9/3/2014 11:32 AM, Chris Dent wrote: I took some notes on this a few weeks ago and extracted what seemed to be the two main threads or ideas the were revealed by the conversation that happened in this thread: * At the micro level have

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-10 Thread Sandy Walsh
Jay Pipes - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:56 PM On 09/03/2014 11:21 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: On 9/3/2014 11:32 AM, Chris Dent wrote: I took some notes on this a few weeks ago and extracted what seemed to be the two main threads or ideas the were revealed by the conversation that happened in

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-10 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Jay Pipes wrote: There would be an Oslo library that would store the codification of the resource classes and actions, along with the mapping of (resource_class, action, version) to the JSONSchema document describing the payload field. This seems reasonable with two

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract (CADF)

2014-09-04 Thread Sandy Walsh
Yesterday, we had a great conversation with Matt Rutkowski from IBM, one of the authors of the CADF spec. I was having a disconnect on what CADF offers and got it clarified. My assumption was CADF was a set of transformation/extraction rules for taking data from existing data structures and

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract (CADF)

2014-09-04 Thread Neal, Phil
On 9/04/2014 Sandy Walsh wrote: Yesterday, we had a great conversation with Matt Rutkowski from IBM, one of the authors of the CADF spec. I was having a disconnect on what CADF offers and got it clarified. My assumption was CADF was a set of transformation/extraction rules for taking

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-03 Thread Sandy Walsh
: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:53 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Treating notifications as a contract So what we need to figure out is how exactly this common structure can be accommodated without reverting back to what Sandy

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: Is there anything slated for the Paris summit around this? There are plans to make plans, but that's about all I know. I just spent nearly a week parsing Nova notifications and the pain of no schema has overtaken me. /me passes the ibuprofen We're

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-03 Thread Sandy Walsh
On 9/3/2014 11:32 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Sandy Walsh wrote: We're chatting with IBM about CADF and getting down to specifics on their applicability to notifications. Once I get StackTach.v3 into production I'm keen to get started on revisiting the notification format and

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-03 Thread gordon chung
For example: It appears that CADF was designed for this sort of thing and was considered at some point in the past. It would be useful to know more of that story if there are any pointers. My initial reaction is that CADF has the stank of enterprisey all over it rather than less is

Re: [openstack-dev] Treating notifications as a contract

2014-09-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
: [openstack-dev] [all] Treating notifications as a contract So what we need to figure out is how exactly this common structure can be accommodated without reverting back to what Sandy called the wild west in another post. I got the impression that wild west is what we've already got (within