Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Adam Spiers's message of 2018-04-25 18:15:42 +0100: [BTW I hope it's not considered off-bounds for those of us who aren't TC election candidates to reply within these campaign question threads to responses from the candidates - but if

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Excerpts from Adam Spiers's message of 2018-04-25 18:15:42 +0100: > [BTW I hope it's not considered off-bounds for those of us who aren't > TC election candidates to reply within these campaign question threads > to responses from the candidates - but if so, let me know and I'll > shut up ;-) ]

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

2018-04-25 22:13 GMT+08:00 Jeremy Stanley : > > On 2018-04-25 14:12:00 +0800 (+0800), Rico Lin wrote: > [...] > > I believe to combine API services into one service will be able to > > scale much easier. As we already starting from providing multiple > > services and binding

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 2018-04-25 18:15:42 +0100 (+0100), Adam Spiers wrote: > [BTW I hope it's not considered off-bounds for those of us who aren't > TC election candidates to reply within these campaign question threads > to responses from the candidates - but if so, let me know and I'll > shut up ;-) ] [...] Not

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

[BTW I hope it's not considered off-bounds for those of us who aren't TC election candidates to reply within these campaign question threads to responses from the candidates - but if so, let me know and I'll shut up ;-) ] Zhipeng Huang wrote: Culture wise, being too

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 2018-04-25 14:12:00 +0800 (+0800), Rico Lin wrote: [...] > I believe to combine API services into one service will be able to > scale much easier. As we already starting from providing multiple > services and binding with Apache(Also concern about Zane's > comment), we can start this goal by

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

2018-04-25 0:04 GMT+08:00 Fox, Kevin M : > > Yeah, I agree k8s seems to have hit on a good model where interests are separately grouped from the code bases. This has allowed architecture to not to be too heavily influenced by the logical groups interest. > > I'll go ahead and

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

I think many projects are now beginning to develop the sub-team structure (e.g Nova, Ironic and Cyborg) and that might be part of the answer here. Having a sub-team structure and also have volunteer as sub team leads could also help people that are not good at code review to contribute

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 24/04/18 12:04, Fox, Kevin M wrote: Yeah, I agree k8s seems to have hit on a good model where interests are separately grouped from the code bases. This has allowed architecture to not to be too heavily influenced by the logical groups interest. I'll go ahead and propose it again since its

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > I support 12 factor. But 12 factor only works if you can commit to always > deploying on top of 12 factor tools. If OpenStack committed to only ever > deploying api services on k8s then my answer might be different. but

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

, April 24, 2018 9:13 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier? On 04/24/2018 12:04 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > Could the major components, nova-api, neutron-server, glance-apiserver, etc > be

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 04/24/2018 12:04 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: Could the major components, nova-api, neutron-server, glance-apiserver, etc be built in a way to have 1 process for all of them, and combine the upgrade steps such that there is also, one db-sync for the entire constellation? So, basically the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

From: Thierry Carrez [thie...@openstack.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:24 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier? Fox, Kevin M wrote: > OpenStack has created artific

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Thierry, please see below: On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Fox, Kevin M wrote: >> OpenStack has created artificial walls between the various Projects. It >> shows up, for example, as holes in usability at a user level or extra >> difficulty for

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Fox, Kevin M wrote: > OpenStack has created artificial walls between the various Projects. It shows > up, for example, as holes in usability at a user level or extra difficulty > for operators juggling around so many projects. Users and for the most part, > Operators don't really care about

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Doug Hellmann wrote: > I would like for us to collect some more data about what efforts teams are > making with encouraging new contributors, and what seems to be working or > not. In the past we've done pretty well at finding new techniques by > experimenting within one team and then adapting the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

to deal so much with the details. Thanks, Kevin _ ___ From: Zane Bitter [zbit...@redhat.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:47 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

> > Over the last year we have seen some contraction in the number of > companies and individuals contributing to OpenStack. At the same > time we have started seeing contributions from other companies and > individuals. To some degree this contraction and shift in contributor > base is a natural

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 23/04/18 10:06, Doug Hellmann wrote: [This is meant to be one of (I hope) several conversation-provoking questions directed at prospective TC members to help the community understand their positions before considering how to vote in the ongoing election.] Over the last year we have seen some

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > [This is meant to be one of (I hope) several conversation-provoking > questions directed at prospective TC members to help the community > understand their positions before considering how to vote in the > ongoing

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 2018-04-23 16:28:13 + (+), Tim Bell wrote: > One of the challenges in the academic sector is the time from > lightbulb moment to code commit. Many of the academic resource > opportunities are short term (e.g. PhDs, student projects, > government funded projects) and there is a latency

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 4/23/2018 1:24 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: Some of us also urged existing leaders in various projects to record videos encouraging contributors to get more involved by demystifying processes like code review or bug triage. This could be as simple as signing up for an available lightning talk

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

2018-04-24 1:26 GMT+08:00 Doug Hellmann : > > Excerpts from Rico Lin's message of 2018-04-24 00:54:14 +0800: > > ** What aspects of our policies or culture make contributing to > > OpenStackmore difficult than contributing to other open source projects?To > > fully

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 2018-04-23 13:18:22 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote: [...] > I would like for us to collect some more data about what efforts > teams are making with encouraging new contributors, and what seems > to be working or not. In the past we've done pretty well at finding > new techniques by

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2018-04-23 12:35:07 -0500: > On 4/23/2018 12:18 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > I would like for us to collect some more data about what efforts > > teams are making with encouraging new contributors, and what seems > > to be working or not. In the past we've

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 4/23/2018 12:18 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: I would like for us to collect some more data about what efforts teams are making with encouraging new contributors, and what seems to be working or not. In the past we've done pretty well at finding new techniques by experimenting within one team and

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Excerpts from Rico Lin's message of 2018-04-24 00:54:14 +0800: > ** What aspects of our policies or culture make contributing to > OpenStackmore difficult than contributing to other open source projects?To > fully understand the map of OpenStack services is a huge challenge, > especially for new

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2018-04-23 17:50:31 +0100: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Tim Bell wrote: > > > One of the challenges in the academic sector is the time from > > lightbulb moment to code commit. Many of the academic resource > > opportunities are short term (e.g. PhDs, student

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

** What aspects of our policies or culture make contributing to OpenStackmore difficult than contributing to other open source projects?To fully understand the map of OpenStack services is a huge challenge, especially for new join developers. And for project teams, might not provide new

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Tim Bell wrote: One of the challenges in the academic sector is the time from lightbulb moment to code commit. Many of the academic resource opportunities are short term (e.g. PhDs, student projects, government funded projects) and there is a latency in current system to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Doug Hellmann wrote: What aspects of our policies or culture make contributing to OpenStack more difficult than contributing to other open source projects? Size, isolation, and perfectionism. Size in at least three dimensions: * the entire community * individual

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

ack-dev@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier? > Where else should we be looking for contributors? Like other large open source projects, OpenStack ha

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Doug Hellmann wrote: > Over the last year we have seen some contraction in the number of > companies and individuals contributing to OpenStack. At the same > time we have started seeing contributions from other companies and > individuals. To some degree this contraction and shift in contributor >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

On 23/04/18 15:06, Doug Hellmann wrote: > [This is meant to be one of (I hope) several conversation-provoking > questions directed at prospective TC members to help the community > understand their positions before considering how to vote in the > ongoing election.] > > Over the last year we have

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

Culture wise, being too IRC-centric is definitely not helping, from my own experience getting new Cyborg developer joining our weekly meeting from China. Well we could always argue it is part of a open source/hacker culture and preferable to commercial solutions that have the constant risk of

[openstack-dev] [tc] campaign question: How can we make contributing to OpenStack easier?

[This is meant to be one of (I hope) several conversation-provoking questions directed at prospective TC members to help the community understand their positions before considering how to vote in the ongoing election.] Over the last year we have seen some contraction in the number of companies