Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Erik Beeson
Can a chain have more than one View? Yes, of course: I read this to mean, can a chain actually finish on more than one view. For example: CreateAccount.action=Create CreateAccount.success=SendConfirmationEmail.action,create_success.jsp In which case the answer would be no. A chain can only

Re: Configuration (was RE: [OS-webwork] Webwork Security Requirements)

2002-11-06 Thread Simon Stewart
On Wednesday, Nov 6, 2002, at 09:51 Europe/London, Rickard Öberg wrote: The issue about actions.xml is verbosity, not being able to figure out how to create it. Having a DTD doesn't change a thing in this regard. XDoclet, perhaps? /Rickard, who still uses views.properties :) Regards,

Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Rickard Öberg
Joseph Ottinger wrote: Well, I was looking at SendConfirmationEmail as an action/view inside the chain, not as a chain in and of itself. I can see a lot of power in the ability to, say, do something like this (poorly thought out, I just got up): SubscribeToList.action=Subscribe

Re: Configuration (was RE: [OS-webwork] Webwork Security Requirements)

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Exactly my point, you can make the configuration method support a lot of power but only require simple configuration. Now, multiple config files could possibly confuse users, no doubt about that. I don't think I'd like that. Good thing that configuration is pluggable, so any kind of config is

Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
In a web environment, a single termination point is logical, but as we move away from being web based, might there be a place for ending on multiple views? For the above example, CreateAccount could have 2 success views, one view rendered to SMTP, the other to HTTP. Since an Action shouldn't

Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Blah First off, to JoeO's whole action as a view stuff... I have no idea what that's all about, sorry :) Maurice also treated my original example (as to why action params are needed) not how I intended and somehow the SendEmail action become some wacky view stuff. That's not what I

Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Maurice Parker
Is no one seeing it? AmI really just that strange with WebWork usage? *Sigh* Patrick, you are fighting against the framework instead of trying to use it. No matter how many times I show you how to accomplish what you want, you don't even try it. Stop trying to force it to work the

Re: [OS-webwork] log4j conf.?

2002-11-06 Thread Joseph Ottinger
WebWork uses commons-logging now. This was the subject of some various heated threads a while back. - Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.comIT Consultant On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, [UTF-8]

Re: [OS-webwork] log4j conf.?

2002-11-06 Thread Joseph Ottinger
Bah! ObSelfPlug: http://www.sys-con.com/java/article.cfm?id=1714 See the second page, on log4j. - Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.comIT Consultant On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Patrick

Re: [OS-webwork] log4j conf.?

2002-11-06 Thread Rickard berg
Joseph Ottinger wrote: WebWork uses commons-logging now. This was the subject of some various heated threads a while back. Ok, so then the log4j conf option should be removed, right? /Rickard --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: See the

Re: [OS-webwork] log4j conf.?

2002-11-06 Thread Joseph Ottinger
I would presume so, unless you have commons-logging configured to use log4j... :) - Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.comIT Consultant On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, [UTF-8] Rickard Öberg

Re: [OS-webwork] log4j conf.?

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Only heated cuz you lit the fire ;) J/K... Matt told me to do it, so I did. All my modules (OSCore, OSWorkflow, OSUser, and PropertySet -- and soon Clickstream) use commons-logging now as well. -Pat - Original Message - From: Joseph Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WebWork [EMAIL

Re: [OS-webwork] Offtopic: lof4j conf

2002-11-06 Thread Rickard Öberg
Rickard Öberg wrote: That said, how are you others handling this? (I mean, reading log4j files) I've tried writing a ServletContextListener, but even though it runs, and finds the XML file, and loads it, nothing happens. The XML file I load has webwork set to INFO, but I still see debug. Anyone

[OS-webwork] Rant

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
What's surreal is that you still don't see all the stuff I'm doing with WebWork. My usages, as I'm sure you can admit, are very unique. I doubt there is a single person out there that is doing what I'm doing. With that said, I also used to use WebWork like you and the rest of the world did. I see

Re: [OS-webwork] Rant

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
FWIW, from the discussions I've seen so far between the two of you, Maurice has my vote on all counts. Great. What is the reason for that? Also, just to make it totally clear, I've used WebWork for a long time and I have used the techniques that you and everyone else on this list uses.

Re: [OS-webwork] Rant

2002-11-06 Thread Joseph Ottinger
Inline... - Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.comIT Consultant On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, [ISO-8859-1] Rickard Öberg wrote: Patrick Lightbody wrote: FWIW, from the discussions I've

[OS-webwork] Administrator's Note

2002-11-06 Thread Joseph Ottinger
I'm only one guy, but... For one thing, it would be nice if everyone involved took a step back, breathed deeply, and remembered that this stuff isn't all there is to life. Relax. Smell the flowers. Sneeze. For another... I think it's important in the context of the dispatcher discussion to note

Re: [OS-webwork] more flexible property tag

2002-11-06 Thread Hani Suleiman
Again, that age old questionwhy? Why this hatred of the unloved and unappreciate if/iterator tags? What have they ever done to you? Quoting boxed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had a most enlightening conversation on irc recently. A friend of mine pointed out that property tag and iterator tag

[OS-webwork] Tags (and perspective) [Was: more flexible property tag]

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Anders has had a good point all along. ww:property/ is really doing two jobs: push and print. We are all OK with it because we're used to it. But his post below of course looks completely silly... why would you want ww:property/ to do push, print, AND include. That's just silly, right? Well, now

Re: [OS-webwork] ui:hidden and ui:submit

2002-11-06 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Agreed! But please don't loose site of the ww:property tag arguments either. It really is doing two jobs and the only reason we like it (I like it too!) and it makes sense (makes sense to me!) is because we've grown accustomed to it. But you cannot deny it is doing two different jobs: push and

Re: [OS-webwork] ui:hidden and ui:submit

2002-11-06 Thread Hani Suleiman
Argh, give up! We've argued propertytag to death, we agreed that the solution is to ensure the documentation is clear. Enough already! I'm reminded of the boy who cried wolf, to be honest. If someone keeps repeating the same thing over and over again (that others disagree with), then when that

Re: [OS-webwork] More thoughts on Configuration

2002-11-06 Thread Darren Hobbs
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 11:48:58AM +0100, Rickard wrote: Hm... maybe I'm just going crazy here, but the above smells like it needs AOP :-) SCE sounds like an interceptor to me...many of the problems here seem to be related to NOT making a difference between actual functionality and things

Re: [OS-webwork] ui:hidden and ui:submit

2002-11-06 Thread Maurice C . Parker
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 04:09 PM, Hani Suleiman wrote: Actually, while I've pretty much agreed with Maurice on every single point he's made, this is one case where I agree that ui:hidden and ui:submit would make sense. Hey, just because Patrick wrote it doesn't mean I disagree

Re: [OS-webwork] Rant

2002-11-06 Thread Maurice C . Parker
Patrick, Let me start by saying that I *do* respect your opinions. You are a bright and energetic developer and we would be poorer if you left the project. As to the configuration code, I stand by all my technical arguments. We came to an agreement and I'm holding you to it.

[OS-webwork] JIRA WW-84: DateFormatter should not return current date by default

2002-11-06 Thread Erik Beeson
http://jira.opensymphony.com/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=WW-84 If an invalid date text is submitted the attribute will get the current date, while a null value is more appropriate. The problem is in the DateFormatter constructor where the date variable is initialized to new Date() While I see