Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-15 Thread Mauro Mozzarelli
: Montag, 10. August 2020 10:36 To: openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED On 09/08/2020 12:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: Mauro Mozzarelli writes: On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I believe OpenWrt should not even *consider* placing its umbrella

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-15 Thread Paul Oranje
f Of Mauro Mozzarelli >>> Sent: Montag, 10. August 2020 10:36 >>> To: openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org >>> Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED >>> >>> On 09/08/2020 12:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: >>>> Mauro Mozzarelli writes: >>>>>

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-11 Thread Sam Kuper
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 01:30:08AM +0100, Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: > Citizens of the European Union are major contributors to OpenWrt and > other Open Source projects, The European Union, after several years of > debate. listened to its citizens, not corporations, and has put into > law that

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-11 Thread Daniel Golle
-Original Message- > > > > > From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > > > > > On Behalf Of Mauro Mozzarelli > > > > > Sent: Montag, 10. August 2020 10:36 > > > > > To: openwrt-devel@lists.o

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-11 Thread Alberto Bursi
2020 10:36 To: openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED On 09/08/2020 12:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: Mauro Mozzarelli writes: On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I believe OpenWrt should not even *consider* placing its umbrella organization(s) -- which

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-11 Thread Caleb James DeLisle
Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED On 09/08/2020 12:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: Mauro Mozzarelli writes: On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I believe OpenWrt should not even *consider* placing its umbrella organization(s) -- which are based on the U.S. -- in legal risk without

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-11 Thread Alberto Bursi
On 10/08/20 13:58, Sam Kuper wrote: IIUC, you are suggesting the creation of a new package repository through which OpenWRT devs who are based in countries (e.g. EU countries) that don't uphold software patents could distribute patent-encumbered software. Users would then be able to decide

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Mauro Mozzarelli
On 10/08/2020 10:08, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: -Original Message- From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] On Behalf Of Mauro Mozzarelli Sent: Montag, 10. August 2020 10:36 To: openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED On 09/08

Fwd: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Fernando Frediani
On 10/08/2020 06:08, Adrian Schmutzler wrote: But still, OpenWrt as a project/organization in embedded in an environment it has to care about. And that of course includes caring about the interests of important stakeholders (or at least ask them about those), and not make our decisions

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Sam Kuper
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 09:36:08AM +0100, Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: > If there is a minority who is unable to use parts of this software, Worth considering: do we know for sure that it's a minority? And is it even relevant whether it is a minority or a majority, as long as we know that some

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 01:21:26PM -0700, Rosen Penev wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 6:09 AM Sam Kuper wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 10:55:37AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:11:13PM +0300, Etienne Champetier wrote: Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit

RE: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Adrian Schmutzler
> -Original Message- > From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] > On Behalf Of Mauro Mozzarelli > Sent: Montag, 10. August 2020 10:36 > To: openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > Subject: Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED > > On 09/08/2020

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-10 Thread Mauro Mozzarelli
On 09/08/2020 12:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: Mauro Mozzarelli writes: On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I believe OpenWrt should not even *consider* placing its umbrella organization(s) -- which are based on the U.S. -- in legal risk without at least contacting them first and

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-09 Thread Rosen Penev
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 6:09 AM Sam Kuper wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 10:55:37AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:11:13PM +0300, Etienne Champetier wrote: > >> Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit : > >>> Whenever discussion about patents arise, I usually

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-09 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 10:55:37AM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:11:13PM +0300, Etienne Champetier wrote: >> Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit : >>> Whenever discussion about patents arise, I usually point to Fedora >>> whose parent company is Red Hat, which

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Mauro Mozzarelli writes: > On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >> I believe OpenWrt should not even *consider* placing its umbrella >> organization(s) -- which are based on the U.S. -- in legal risk >> without at least contacting them first and getting their approval. >> >>

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-09 Thread Mauro Mozzarelli
On 09/08/2020 03:35, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On 08/08/2020 17:56, Rosen Penev wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: Since OpenWrt is NOT US Based and in fact it appears to be mostly supported with EU contributions, we should be following the more liberal

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-09 Thread Sam Kuper
On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:11:13PM +0300, Etienne Champetier wrote: > Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit : >> The remerged OpenWrt project is legally represented by the Software >> in the Public Interest (SPI) - an US 501(c)(3) non-profit >> organization which is managing our OpenWrt

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On 08/08/2020 17:56, Rosen Penev wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: Since OpenWrt is NOT US Based and in fact it appears to be mostly supported with EU contributions, we should be following the more liberal EU policies. Personally I am against software patents and I

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-08 Thread Rosen Penev
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: > > Since OpenWrt is NOT US Based and in fact it appears to be mostly > supported with EU contributions, we should be following the more liberal > EU policies. > > Personally I am against software patents and I campaigned for the > decision

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-08 Thread Mauro Mozzarelli
Since OpenWrt is NOT US Based and in fact it appears to be mostly supported with EU contributions, we should be following the more liberal EU policies. Personally I am against software patents and I campaigned for the decision that the EU parliament took to ban them despite significant lobby

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-07 Thread Rosen Penev
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 9:11 AM Etienne Champetier wrote: > > Hi Rosen, > > Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit : > > > > Recently there's been a pull request to get patented functionality in > > the packages feed: https://github.com/openwrt/packages/pull/12992 > > > > Which pointed

Re: Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-03 Thread Etienne Champetier
Hi Rosen, Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 00:04, Rosen Penev a écrit : > > Recently there's been a pull request to get patented functionality in > the packages feed: https://github.com/openwrt/packages/pull/12992 > > Which pointed me to this lovely description: > https://www.videolan.org/legal.html > >

Policy on BUILD_PATENTED

2020-08-02 Thread Rosen Penev
Recently there's been a pull request to get patented functionality in the packages feed: https://github.com/openwrt/packages/pull/12992 Which pointed me to this lovely description: https://www.videolan.org/legal.html Two excerpts: In the USA, you should check out the US Copyright Office