to do with
our decision to go easy on the JSPs.
Regards,
Arved Sandstrom
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:18 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
Doh! Sorry
/XML Framework Comments please
I'm definitely interested in your framework; may I have a copy?
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:39 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework
We're struggling with struts in WebLogic (yuck) right now. Could we please get
a copy of your framework? Very much appreciated...
-Rich
--- Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use my own framework for a couple of sites, and have gotten feedback from
others using it as well. Its only
Title: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
Thanks everyone. I will first say that I have asked a similar question in 2 newsgroups and another mail list.
The Orion Mail list gave 10 times more input and 10 times higher quality than any other mail list.
Here is what I plan to recommend
Cory Updyke wrote:
My issue with XML/XSL transformations is this: My theory for the
presentation tier is to keep it as simple as possible. Occasionally, you
find a designer who has every right to be a engineer, but designs because
they enjoy it. This person will scoff(sp?) at the simplicity
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Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:10 AM
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Cory Updyke wrote:
My issue with XML/XSL transformations is this: My theory for the
presentation tier is to keep it as simple as possible. Occasionally, you
find a designer who has every right
Hi,
As we have also rolled our own solution, I'll just add my two cents.
As Tim, we found that the existing frameworks didn't fit quite well into
what we wanted to do, (that was even before Struts was created) and as
we wanted to integrate other features...
Following the Model 2-controller
This may be off topic a little, but I am a little disheartened to see so
many people disregarding EJB when considering a internet application
framework. If you disregard transactions (NotSupported), and follow a few
simple patterns (see java.sun.com/j2ee) you basically are able to build a
Updyke
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 10:05 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
This may be off topic a little, but I am a little disheartened to see so
many people disregarding EJB when considering a internet application
framework. If you disregard transactions
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:12 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
Cheers for Cory! Ejb is THE way to do persistance. By using EJB's properly,
we make use of all of Orion's resource handling capabilities...and these
guy's
interface between Java and XML (jsp? building dom nodes in java?
something else?) ?
Thanks,
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Schnitzer
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:38 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
I'm definitely interested in your framework
Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
I would be interested in reviewing a copy of your
mvc/xml framework.
Thanks
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From:
Duffey,
Kevin
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:39
PM
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments
Is anyone here besides Tim using XSLT in their web application?
I've been using XSLT for some time. I think a lot of the MVC
dicussions show that people haven't yet hit on the right
application model. MVC really works well in an environment
with shared state... and ahred access to objects. The
We do exactly what you propose. A servlet drives lightweight commands. The
commands get XML trees containing the HttpServletRequest information, and
fill in a subtree with the XML results. This tree is fed into XSLT and the
resulting HTML is sent down the wire. I prefer it over JSP by miles. We
Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
Vic,
You've
made so many early decisions that make any later decisions fait accompli. But
here goes my comments.
The
most significant issue you can have is performance and portability. That is, can
you easily make changes without breaking the
Tim,
that sounds v.interesting. Forgive my ignorance but what toolkit are you
using and what do you mean by precompile the XSL pages?
Thanks,
Trevor
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Tim Endres wrote:
We do exactly what you propose. A servlet drives lightweight commands. The
commands get XML trees
Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
I use
my own framework for a couple of sites, and have gotten feedback from others
using it as well. Its only 15K in size, full source, its free to use, modify,
etc. If your interested in it, send me an email. It supports xsl
transformations, and is
Your message is very timely, because I'm currently doing the same sort
of research. I wrote my site ( www.similarity.com
http://www.similarity.com , an amusing basement project) using Rickard
Oberg's WebWork MVC framework to produce HTML directly, but now my team
and I are exploring more
It sounds like Tim has a homebrew system for going directly from Logic
to Presentation. My team has been thinking of eventually writing a
wrapper to expose JavaBeans (the model) as a DOM using reflection so you
could still have a pull-based system rather than having to build the
full tree
We rolled our own servlet for this. I found none of the existing frameworks
to properly address what we needed. It is not a complicated thing to write.
An XML config file specifies the commands that get executed for any given
pathinfo. The command is tied to an XSL stylesheet, which processes the
Endres
Sent: Thu 4/26/2001 5:30 PM
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Cc:
Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please
It sounds like Tim has a homebrew system for going directly
from Logic
to Presentation. My team has been thinking
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