Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff
Dear Sue and all
What an amazing thread!!
Choice is the key. The choices that are respected and funded are those that prop up the medical monopoly of the big business of birth.
So all you wonderful midwives out there, start/keep saying it. There are no
Hi,
As you say it will always depend on the hospital policy.However, Iimagine the best way to gain an independent answer might be to review the evidence - A guide to effective evidence in pregnancy childbirth (Enkin et al) may be helpful, though it may also be slightly outdated. Alternatively,
"if we
trulysupport choice then surely even 'bad' choices should be
respected?"
Why? Solely in the name of
blindly supporting "choice" as a concept? How does this benefit Mothers and
babes?We also have the choice to beat our children, men have the choice to
rape women, and we can also
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff
From: Susan
Cudlipp
"The reply was 'I DONT CARE- I WANT TO BE INDUCED' How can the
ob refuse in this instance?"
In my experience, many women don't understand
that being induced can result in a very different birthing experience for
themselves and their
Hi
Emily,
Good
on you! As far as induction and c/s on demand the rule of weighing up the
benefits vs risks still applies. Some women's emotional state may make it
sensible although regrettable, to concur with their wishes. However, if you have
been caring for a woman throughout her
Susan Cudlipp wrote:
Choice is an interesting concept: if we truly support choice then
surely even 'bad' choices should be respected?
Yeah see this is where a persons rights as a medical consumer gets
tricky. How do we define 'bad' choices whilst being
Sally,
It is up to wonderful women midwives like you to keep women's chances alive
- don't give up! What hope will we have if the best chance we have at choice
no longer wish to work in the system? We need to infiltrate the system to
get anywhere. Don't underestimate the power and ability you
A mum on my forums is after a VBAC after a traumatic birth
and lives in Narre Warren. She is going public, so I was wondering if anyone
could suggest a good woman centred option for her, I dont think she is
comfortable with a homebirth just yet, but I have suggested she read The
Thinking
By 'bad' I meant -choices that I or most midwives
would disagree with - such as social (non-medically indicated) induction or
elective C/S.
They might be 'bad' choices in my view but there
are plenty of intelligent women out there whose views are opposite to
mine. I may disagree, I may
time and time again I saw
them raw with grief because they felt they were unable to give the care
these women needed and were entitled to.
I so relate to what you have said Sally. It is hard to work in the system
and maintain your integrity as a midwife.
Considering the vast majority of
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff
My point here was that this woman DID have this
explained very carefully by a patient ob who did not want to induce her, and
still she wanted it done. And we see so often those who come in time and
time again trying very hard to get induced - some women
I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that left me
on a real high
Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had discussed
birthing at home many times but she had decided that she wanted to go
to the hospital to birth.
perhaps if it was my second baby I might
Hip Hip Hooray! I, and I'm sure everyone else on this list, enjoyed hearing
about your wonderful experience with Kath. It's stories like that that keep
us all going. Thankyou.
Nicole Carver.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
There is not a single report in the scientific
literature that shows obstetricians to be safer than midwives for low risk or
normal pregnancy and birth. So if you are among the over75 percent of all
women with a normal pregnancy, the safest birth attendant for you is not a
doctor but a
One aspect of choice that needs to be considered is that even when
all the pros and cons are weighted carefully and a very informed
choice is made, there is no guarantee that the option chosen will
prove to be the best in the final analysis. Mistakes can still be
made and decisions thought to
Hi Emily, Could you please email me off list? Re
your supervisor's request.
Regards, Lynne
- Original Message -
From:
Emily
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:49
AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg
stuff
hi all i have
On the contrary, very well said.
-Original Message-
From: Andrea Robertson
This is a tricky area - informed choice is really a myth, as so many
vested interests come into play, but we must support women once they have
made a considered decision. To do less would be to undermine her
I agree... so often women in early labour present over and over, demanding
intervention. The reasons for non intervention are explained very clearly,
there is no ambiguity of information from midwives or medical staff... the
risks of undesirable outcomes- forceps, c/s, fetal distress etc, being
I just love hearing stories like that Andrea. Congratulations to
you both.
Cheers
Judy
--- Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that
left me
on a real high
Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had
discussed
So true Andrea.
Many years ago a woman consented to be admitted with a
transverse lie at term but rejected any treatment. She was a
mulipara. Many times over the next week the dangers were
explained (such explanation was well documented) and she
declined CS. Finally she consented and it was
Judy said:
.admitted with a transverse lie at term but rejected any treatment.
She was a mulipara. Many times over the next week the dangers were explained
(such explanation was well documented) and she declined CS. Finally she
consented and it was scheduled for the next day. That
thanks for sharing Andrea. I love hearing stories like this one.
:-)
Katrina
(who is 40/40 today)
On 18/06/2006, at 12:10 AM, Andrea Quanchi wrote:
I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that left me
on a real high
Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had
We talk about choices, but look what we will do for free
cash ???
Megan (whose 4th was bornon histiming2
weeks before the magic date)
Baby bonus creates hospital
havoc18jun06
THE introduction of the baby bonus on July 1, 2004,
caused more than 1000 scheduled births to be
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