[ozmidwifery] Finnish midwife looking for a training
Hi all, A friend of mine a really nice future midwife from Finland is looking for a place in Australia, where she could do a 3 month training in antenatal care and birthing. This would take place some time in Jan-May 2008. She would love to be able to do both hospital / birthing centre and homebirths. She is required to help and assist the birting family as much as possible during the training. Please let me know if you know any good possibilities for her. Best Regards, Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula
Hi Kelly, Sounds like a great idea, wish I could go... If I would be able to make it would like to know how to do the lobbying for a good cause! One thing I have noticed, that many midwifes or birth centres don't have a professional looking website or a brochure to give out. This is something, what I find essential in today's world. I have thought, that I could use my skills and work with my sister, who is a graphic designer to come up with a template for a birthrelated website and a template for a brochure and a business card. You could also use your own photoes with the template. This would make it so much easier for someone to get all the good looking material even if they don't have the skills for that part of the business. Well, it would take me a while to get it done, but this is just an idea I have had. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:57 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula Dear all, As you may have read in my previous emails, I have spoken to some high profile business people of late in regards to the situation with maternity services, particularly with lobbying to government and also marketing the midwife and Doula to sell the idea to the public. The reason I spoke to these people is because I am interested in holding a conference / workshop over a weekend for midwives and Doulas to learn about effectively marketing themselves, improving their networking skills, communication skills and to learn some other essential business skills which I think is badly needed. I would also like to hold a separate session perhaps towards the end of the conference (which wont be of interest to everyone) on lobbying to government and other authoritative bodies in order to get effective recognition for the things that have been lobbied for, for so long. While these business professionals I have spoken to wont have the passion and understanding of what we do, for example the idea of homebirth may not be something they would do, promote or feel safe with, their business skills are very valid and even their views are a wake-up call as to what the public do think when presented with such an idea, no matter how educated they might be. Its time to get out the comfort zone and operate a basic sales rule you were given two ears and one mouth and they need to be used in that ratio. I would now like to do some market research and ask you who would be interested in attending, and also, what you would like to learn about most perhaps even if you wouldnt be able to make it, you could offer three top things you would like to know about how you can get yourselves out there or what you can do. I have had a great response from the few people I have already mentioned this to, so now I would like to put this out and ask you if you would come along and be open to some advice from some amazing, successful business people, and look outside the square to get a fresh insight on things that need to change, need to be improved and things that are on the right track. I anticipate this will either be a full day or two days, perhaps a weekend in Melbourne in the CBD (with a possibility in Brisbane) so those with children can attend. I can strike up a deal with a hotel to get a discount for those coming from interstate. Thoughts? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story
Hi, I know I'm far away from you here in Finland, but this souds a bit like what I am doing. I run the biggest and trendiest maternity speciality store in our capital city. We have nice store in the very best market palce in the newiest shopping mall. Our store is quite nice with trendy maternity brands, baby wear, nursing tops, breast pumps, slings, Ergos, large selection of books etc. We have about 50-70clients in the store every day and they are mostly quite mainstream. Now we are trying to build a new service and share all this valuable birth / breastfeeding info with the parents and build a kind of community like you described.We organice info nights and send out e-letters. I am only starting this all and I'm sure there will be many things I will be asking you all about? It's great to know, that someone is already doing a similar thing so we can all learn from others. Päivi Childbirth educator Finland - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story That's right Janet, i know these online communities exist for those who seek them out or find them. What Im looking at is a physical presence in the community, where people gather, for info, friendship,access to services and advice. Iwould love granny to be doing her groceries and spot the shopfront and come in for a look at the products then find out about the services and groups etc that are available , then take her info home to her pregnant grandaughter who will share with her friends. I dont really want a retail style thing but a few product lines like slings etc to draw people in. The more in one physical community that are exposed to normal birth, the more the good stories perpetuate. Di - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story Di you're describing Joyous Birth LOL. We have about 600 online members who meet all over Australia regularly and do exactly what you're talking about! But you knew this, I'm sure : ) How lovely! J - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story That's a great article Pinky. One of my visions is to create a community of women where positive birth stories are told. I'm hoping to develop a 'birthplace' where women can access services, classes, alternate therapies, groups, resources and products, to help change the culture at least at a local level. I attended the Calmbirth course last week, which was great. One of the most interesting things was meeting midwives and doulas from all over the country, and hearing their different stories. We have little pockets here and there in this country where natural birth and homebirth is not considered to be too radical. The culture in Melbourne is so different, there are doula's and homebirth midwives everywhere, where in other parts of the country they are unheard of! Places like Bellingen, the north coast of NSW, Toowoomba have their own little sub-cultures that are growing. We need to act locally for a sub - culture to develop, that then becomes part of a wider movement. The more positive stories that hit the 'mainstream' , the more momentum is gained. (thanks Pinky and Kelly, and all of you who vocally and publicly advocate for natural birth!) Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re birth story Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months ago and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they say. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html Pinky
[ozmidwifery] midwifery exchange
Hi all, I am having preliminary thoughts about startingsome kind ofsponsorship program for midwifery exchange. Earlier this year I met a Finnish obstetrician, who only does gynegology and homebirths at the moment. ( Only 4-6 homebirths / year. We only have some 20 homebirths in our country..) Every year she travels to Holland to spend time with the local midwives. She said she needs this to boost her confidence and get inspiration for what she does.After this I have been wondering if I could start to sponsor (trough my maternity business) one midwife or midwifery studentevery year to travel somewherefor 2 weeks or 2 months to see how women labor and give birth in the non-medicaliced environment and care.This could be spending time with a homemidwife or maybe at a birthing centre or even both. If there happened to be some great homebirth conference around the time, wouldn't that be perfect for her. I think going to Holland the language might be bit of a problem, but US, UK or Australia would be great, since most people do speak good english. Has anyone heard of programs like this? Are there some legal issues, I should worry about? Do you think there would be homebirth midwives or birth centres in Australia, which would take exchangees like this? What would be a good length for the stay? Do you think the exchange midwife could stay at the hosting midwife's home or would she need an apartment? Would it be better if two midwives from same unit would go, so they could share their experience and maybe be stronger to change things once they return home? What kind of a payment you feel the hosting midwife would want for this time? Almost twenty years ago I spent a year in Adelaide as a Rotary Exchange student. I lived with the local families and attended high school. I must say it was one of the best years in my life and it had a huge impact on my later life. It was great to learn so much about a different culture by living with these families. I am still very close to the people I stayed with and consider them my family. Have been back five times since then =). I am just thinking how much this experinece could change one midwife's views and practise... Please share any thoughts you have about this. Regards, Päivi Laukkanen Childbirth Educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] OMG what next?
What about this one? http://www.pregnancystore.com/pushpal_birthing_aid.htm Päivi - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] OMG what next? http://www.pregnancystore.com/zaky.htm I think this is actually a real product... Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
I would love a picture as well =) Päivi - Original Message - From: Mike Lindsay Kennedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Hi would also like your photoLinz On 8/30/06, Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two words:PURPLE LINEI have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!) :)JoOn 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote: Just to add to this... There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs and midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way to ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised healthy women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence showing that doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to hospital (then 4-6 hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are able to assess progress in different ways (all of which have been poo-pooed by the medicos)...so...am needing the help of all you wonderfully wise women out there. Thanks in advance. Sally - Original Message - From: "Sally @ home" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when to do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital setting. And what evidence they base their practice on. Thanks in advance. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com"Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets." Unknown
[ozmidwifery] advise on placenta previa
Hi again you wise women, I was just talking to a friend of mine, who is 26 wks pregnant. (First pregnancy). She has been having very strong contractions and went to see a doctor because of this. She was told, that she has a placenta previa, and the placenta goes over... (She was very confused, since the doctor didn't explain her what was going on, just kept saying: Very strange it goes over...). She had a soft cervix and also strep B. They also said, that baby is laying very low. She was send for bed rest at home and has been having contractions all the time. I know she has been hoping for an intervention free birth. Can anyone give any thoughts on this, since it's out of my knowledge and would like to learn more about it. Päivi Childbirth Educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] advise on placenta previa
Hi Sue and Jan, Thank you for your replies. Sounds very interesting. I will talk to her again and try to find out more. Päivi - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] advise on placenta previa Jan I am curious to know what makes you suggest bicornuate uterus based on Paivi's question? She has stated the friend was told placenta praevia, you point out that with bicornuate uterus the placenta is usually in one horn. Just trying to understand the reason for your diagnosis. Paivi - did the doctor say that the placenta went OVER the cervix? And has your friend had any vaginal bleeding? She needs to get the doctor to be explain precisely what he is diagnosing, perhaps taking you or another friend along to help her remember and ask questions. Regards, Sue - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] advise on placenta previa Hi PaiviYour friend most likely has a bicornuate (heart shaped) uterus. There is a dip in the middle of the fundus around this time that makes the baby appear to be lying lower - sometimes like the outline of an oblique lie. The placenta is usually sited in one horn and the baby is in the other - baby very cramped, hence the strong contractions. These women usually deliver early, somewhere between 36-38 weeks. Your friend could do a search on the wwwuterine anomalies, bicornuate uterus would be good key words to start with.CheersJanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 6 Aug, 2006, at 21:09, Päivi Laukkanen wrote: Hi again you wise women,I was just talking to a friend of mine, who is 26 wks pregnant. (First pregnancy). She has been having very strong contractions and went to see a doctor because of this. She was told, that she has a placenta previa, and the placenta goes over... (She was very confused, since the doctor didn't explain her what was going on, just kept saying: Very strange it goes over...). She had a soft cervix and also strep B. They also said, that baby is laying very low. She was send for bed rest at home and has been having contractions all the time. I know she has been hoping for an intervention free birth. Can anyone give any thoughts on this, since it's out of my knowledge and would like to learn more about it.PäiviChildbirth EducatorFinland No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 5/08/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???
Hi, Just wanted to add, that I am currently on another Australian list (yahoo based), and the same problem has been there. Päivi - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? Hi Lisa, This illustrates the point I made earlier. If a message is sent to several lists at the same time, your ISP may decide that it is a spam email. We are definitely not blocking anyone's emails - again everyone is welcome to contribute here. The ozmid lists has been going now for many many years (long before anyone else in OZ) and I guess we have to expect that sometimes things don't go smoothly. We have become so reliant on emails and so sure that they will get through we can forget that this whole service operates on sometime dodgy phone lines Again, I will ask Kim to investigate. Regards, Andrea At 07:25 PM 24/06/2006, you wrote: I The emails that I am aware of not getting through have often been involving the same group of people, and/or regarding birth trauma, the ethics of choice, and then there is also mine and Janet's recent emails on birthplans (I've had two emails not appear yesterday, one was a follow up to David's commentary on the ethics of choice, and one was a response to Kelly's further query about Birthplans). I am aware that not all my mails make it onto the list . I have felt that maybe they are not getting through because of the content and a whole section with mails from Justin Caines Jennifairy and myself didn't make it into my email box. I read them on the yahoo site as I was checking to see if my own mail was there. This puts me off replying because it just seems that maybe all points of view are not wanted. Lisa Barrett Independent Midwife. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi Nat, Another really empowering book is "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" if you haven't read it yet and "Baby Catcher" by Peggy Vincent. Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] Your thoughts on Birth Plans?
Hi Kelly, I think writing a birth plan is a great way for a woman to think of her choicesand force her to research and consider different options. Even if the birth plan stayed in her bag she has already gained so much by writing it. I have been planning to set up one of those interactice birth plans on internet with lots of linksfor more information on each topic. I see it as a tool to help women learn of their options. Päivi Childbirth Educator Finland "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing an article as we speak on birth plans (I prefer to say birth intentions or birth preferences and hopefully everyone else will too one day!) and I was wondering if anyone would be happy to comment from a midwife perspective? Id like to know: What do you think of birth plans women are writing at the moment What do you think about it being called birth preferences or intentions instead, What you like and dislike when you read them i.e. too long, too unrealistic or whatever springs to your mind I wont put your name to the comments so you can feel free to be open and honest about it, I would really love to add your perspectives if you are open to it. Thank-you in advance J Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area
Re: [ozmidwifery] Episiotomy
Please send to the list as I am also interested : ) Päivi - Original Message - From: Alice Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Episiotomy Hi Suzi, I have several studies that show thiscan't think of them all off the top of my head, but will find them for you and send you the info. I'll have to dig out my thesis (I've been somewhat pretending it doesn't exist at the moment). As a start, I think the recent (2005) JAMA published study talks about it, as do Thacker and Banta (1983) and Woolley (1995). There's also one that compares mediolateral and midline episiotomies (Thacker, 2000 from the British Medical Journal). Hope this helps as a start...I'll try to see what else I can find and send to you. Alice From: suzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Episiotomy Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:28:24 +1000 Can anyone point me in the right direction for good evidence that episiotomys have an increased risk of extending to 3 or 4 th degree? or am i remembering - interpreting incorrectly and the best evidence that we have only conclude generally that restrictive epis. has lowered morbidity because the women mostly doesnt end up with as much truama as anticipated. Little discussion i am having with one of our doctors - who says mediolateral cut is not at an increased risk of extending, only midline. My arguement was that only fetal distress with no time to wait for streaching ( or well informed maternal request?) is the only reasons for episiotomy. Im sure if it was a slice down the eye of a penis and the posibility of the man having painful sex and other morbidity for the next year - some doctors may think twice. Love Suz x _ New year, new job - there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=752315885_r=Jan05_tagline_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Starting solids too early
Hi Kelly, Thought you might like this artickle. I picked it up from an AP-list, but who ever posted it couldn't remember where she had found it... Päivi Baby Led Weaning. What a sensible approach. You walk past the supermarket shelves of nappies, dummies, bottles, teats and formula quite happily but somehow at around four months you find yourself glancing at the baby rice and colourful jars and tins. You are not sure if these so called children's foods belong in a separate category along with turkey twizzlers but there seems to be a children's version of most products and they are hard to avoid. Everyone else is weaning but somehow it doesn't feel right for you and your baby? Stop! There is another way. A fantastically instinctive and intuitive approach to weaning has been developed by UNICEF and the world heath organisation WHO Baby led weaning basically is what it says - you do not even offer solid food until the baby shows signs of internal and external readiness (being able to sit up unaided, tongue thrust movement disappears, gut lining becomes less leaky between during the weeks between four and six months.) This generally happens somewhere around the middle of the babies first year. At this time at normal family meal times you simply sit the baby up at the table and offer them pieces of the raw or cooked ingredients from your family meal. E.g. - cucumber batons, banana chunks, cooked pasta shapes, avocado slices. Until the child's pincer movement develops further they are unlikely to be able to pick up pieces small enough to choke on and that is pretty much it! Over the time between 6 and 12 months on a very gradual basis they will move from being exclusively breast fed to taking about half of their calories from solid food. When you consider that almost 350g of cooked carrot contains the same amount of energy as 100g of breast milk it makes those entire big baby / small baby / weight gain arguments look pretty daft! The key seems to me that you are not feeding the child - so throw away those weaning spoons - Just as a breast fed baby has learnt to regulate their food intake for the first six months and you learn to adjust to the idea that you can't visualise how much milk they are taking this is simply a continuation of trusting your baby. Missing out the goo stage means you also miss out the fiddleyness of introducing one food at a time - babies who were videoed for the unicef study seemed to do this naturally. Weaning is an incredible gradual process on using this approach - A child needs the same amount of calories at 6 months, 1 year, 2 years and 3 years (as their growth rate slows) - it is simply the composition of these calories that is changing. The iron issue is often used to encourage mothers to wean early - breast milk is low is iron yes but this iron is easily and readily absorbed by the baby - the store built up at birth is usually running low between six and twelve months - you can offer iron rich foods from six months but you must trust that the baby that needs them will eat them and the baby that doesn't won't!! Health Visitors in the UK are only just beginning to be schooled in this new approach and it is unlikely to be rolled out until government plans to extend maternity leave are approved. (Just as the government weaning advice was changed in 2004 from four to six months when maternity leave rules were changed before.) Anecdotal evidence suggests most health visitors are ignoring this new advice anyway and still encouraging mothers to wean far to early. Weaning does seem to be occurring later in the west - some babies born in the sixties were often solids at three weeks, ten weeks seemed popular in the seventies - and so on - politics of our attitudes to food aside you could view this as the logical next stage! - Just because your four-month-old baby is watching you eat it doesn't mean they are ready for solids - they watch you do everything - that is just what four-month-old babies do. - Do not be tempted to spoon feed your baby - allow them to continue regulating there own food intake just as they have done already - a very useful skill and one that may help them avoid eating disorders in adult life. - You can introduce a spoon as their manual dexterity improves but it is for them to use it. - Present a selection of healthy foods in pieces they can manage - let them choose which to eat or explore with their mouths. Do not put foods in their mouths - this is where the choking danger comes from. - Babies given solids early do not sleep better - gram for gram in comparison to breast milk solids are very low in calories so will not fill them up contrary to what many people think. - Waiting for your baby to be ready means that preparing food is much easier (i.e. no hand blender etc needed) and food allergies are less likely. - Baby food manufacturers should no longer be labelling jars and packets with 16 weeks they have been told by the government to
[ozmidwifery] using a baby sling after C-section
Hi, I was asked by a woman if she can wear a babysling two weeks after her c-section. She was told not to carry anything hevier, than the child for six weeks and has asked me since we sold the hug-a-bub baby sling for her earlier. Before I answer her, I thought I'd ask you midwives first. To me it would make sense to carry the baby in a sling, but since I don't know too much about surgery, don't want to give wrong advise. Päivi Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks Carol, It looks georgeous! I think I'll order one and check it out. I did actually send a wholesale enquiry already to the publisher. What kind of feed back have you got about the book? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Paivi, The book was published last year by Murdoch Books. It is called 'baby toddler food' you would need to speak to them if you wanted to stock it. They have a website www.murdochbooks.com. You need to go to their backlist and it is under Food for Life. Thank you, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Not sure, if this is at all, what you need, but it has some references on the bottom. Päivi http://www.lactinv.com/just_one_bottle.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids
I guess some professionals would say, "Oh your baby is so tiny, that he will need more food" or "Oh, he's such a big boy I think he'll need some more food"... Päivi - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids Some other invalid but commonly cited reasons for deciding to introduce solids earlier than six months from my experience are 1. The pressure to get a baby to sleep through the night. If I feed the baby solids I will fill him/her up and he won't wake at night! Sleep deprivation contributes to this decision. 2. Baby was watching me eat therefore he wants some??!!! 3. BF more often at around that age( ? due to a growth spurt ).therefore I mustn't have enough milk and the baby wants more than I can give! Helen
[ozmidwifery] aspartame use during pregnancy
Does anyone know where I can find references / studies / articles about aspartame use and birth defects? Is it generally advised in Australia to avoid diet drinks and aspartame when pregnant? In Finland I don't think it is considered a risk. Päivi
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Home birth for Television Series
Hi, Picked this up from an Sydney AP list, and just thought I'd post it here too. Päivi We are currently producing an eight part fly-on-the-wall documentary series for Foxtel looking at the realities of pregnancy, childbirth and the early stages of parenthood. As part of the series we are hoping to follow someone who is planning a homebirth between July and September and as we are a Sydney based production company we are ideally looking for someone who lives in the area. The filming will be carried out by a small, highly experienced and unobtrusive three person crew consisting of one producer, one cameraman and one soundman. We envisage no more than three or four filming days over the course of two months in order to feature the latter stages of pregnancy, the birth itself and a follow up once the baby is born. If you have any further questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact me on 02 9439 4911 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I look forward to hearing from you soon, Many thanks Lesley -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by http://www.mailscanner.info/ MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
[ozmidwifery] perineal massage
Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] fertility problems
Thanks everyone for your help with the fertility issue. I received this thorough explanation from Rebecca and forwarded all your answers to my friend. She was very happy and relieved. She said it helps her a lot, that someone actually explaines what all these procedures are for. She says the doctor didn't even look at her or listen her at all. Now I now a bit more myself too. So, thank you. Päivi Hi Paivi, I am replying to you off the ozmid list, but please feel free to share this post. I have 20 years experience as a natural family planning (NFP) teacher, and would have to say that your friend is being offered "the usual" range of investigations, and they are quite reasonable options, especially in light of her history of an ectopic pregnancy (outside the womb, usually in the tube). Even if the tube has been saved, an ectopic can really wreak havoc on the reproductive organs, especially if the pregnancy was treated surgically. bloodsamples for ovulation; This is just a normal blood test that is mostly used to check her hormone levels are healthy at different times of her cycle. It can be used to indicate if she is ovulating (releasing eggs), which you could safely assume she is seeing as she was pregnant! take x-ray, where they spray the womb with some special color, which then shows in the x-rays. As Jo said, this is called a HSG and they use a special (blue!) dye to fill the cavity of the uterus.It should then flow up into and through the tubes and out into the pelvis if all is well. It will show if the size and shape of the uterus is healthy for pregnancy (maybe the last baby implanted in the tube because there is a problem in the uterus) and it will show if her tubes are healthy, free and clear (maybe the last baby didn't make it into the uterus because there is a problem in the tubes). They can sometimes push the dye through the tubes pretty hard, which can be a good thing as it can 'unblock' them and sort of 'clean them out' a bit, but of course it can't 'unblock' scar tissue. Many women report conceiving in the couple of months after a HSG and think it has a theraputic value, but there is no research to support this and it really is a diagnosic tool. It can be a very painful proceedure at the beginning (to dilate the cervix a little to allow the instruments through) but the rest of the proceedure is not usually painful but might can sometimes be a little uncomfortable. Sedation is usually used, and it is often done under a general anesthetic with other proceedures (see below!). Afterward, there can be a little crampy feeling, but usually there is not much at all. some kind of operation to see the scar from the previous unsuccesful pregnancy. This would be a laparoscopy (or a "lap"), where they put instruments through the abdomen to actually look directly at her uterus, tubes and ovaries. This is a visual inspection of her anatomy, and will reveal the extent of any scar tissue, adhesions and the like from the ectopic. This is done under anesthetic as a day proceedure. The 'big cut' from this proceedure is about 1-2cm, along with a couple of 'puncture marks' that are very small. I don't think they even stitch any of these any more... they usually don't even scar. Afterward the tummy can be a bit tender, and you can get a very nasty pain up under the left shoulder blade (they fill the belly full of gas to separate the organs and see them better, and if this gas is slow to be absorbed by the body a 'pocket' of gas will collect and irritate, and the pain is felt in the left shoulder. It can be very intense pain - I actually needed pethidine!) They would also scrape the womb and take some "samples" to see if her body is doing what it's supposed to. This is called a dilation currettage, or a DC. The dilation refers to the cervix, again this is a small dilation required to allow instruments to be passed into the uterus, and a currettage is a spoon-like instrument attached to suction that would actually 'scrape' away some of the surface lining of the uterus (which she would have shed at her next period). This is sent to patholgy for anaysis, and reveals all kinds of details about her hormone levels and reproductive health. There may be a little spotting for a couple of days following a DC, but again there is not usually very much at all. If they find problems the doctor suggested ivfnext. This is where I think we may suddnely jump over into "unreasonable" options! If the lap, DC, and HSG all indicate that she is well and healthy then it would be reasonable to investigate more natural, less invasive assistance to achieve another pregnancy - and certainly learning about her fertility and charting her cycles could help her. She could contact the Australian Council of
[ozmidwifery] fertility problems
Hi everyone, A friend of mine has moved to Sydney and is having problems getting pregnant. A year ago she had an operation, because she had an unexpected pregnancy and the fetus was outside the womb. (Don't know how to say this in english). Now a doctor in Sydney has suggested her togive bloodsamples for ovulation, andtake x-ray, where they spray the womb with some special color, which then shows in the x-rays. The doctor also suggested some kind of operation to see the scar from the previous unsuccesfull pregnancy. They would also scrape the womb and take some "samples" to see if her body is doing what it's supposed to. If they find problems the doctor suggested ivf next. This all sounds like a lot of uncomfortable procedures. Just wanted to ask if you guys would have any input on this? Aren't there more gentle ways to go? This really is an area that I know nothing about. Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
My favourite is Mariner from Tony O'Connor. You can listen to it at http://www.tonyoconnor.com.au/catalogue/cds.htm. This is a wonderfull relaxation cd, but also has a personal meaning for me, which always makes it more special : ) Paivi - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hi from Finland
Hi Andrea, I remember talking to you about the use of gas and air in Britain. The midwife, who has helped me a lot with my projects lives in the UK and works in a Birth centre, where they use the gas and air a lot. I remember you said there are many sideaffects for this. Now unfortunately she has found out, that the baby is Down Syndrome. I don't know the situation too well, but it just suddenly made me think, that can there be any connection to the gas and air? I would't talk to her about it, but thought I'd ask you about it. Also I was reading about the binding in Japan in your diary. We sell a post natal girdle in our store. We only sell couple of them in year and never thought too much about it, but could this work in a similar way? http://www.bebes.fi/kauppa/product_info.php?cPath=23_28products_id=909language=en Päivi Laukkanen Finland -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] previous email was not intended for the list : (
Sorry everyone, I accidentally posted a mail to the list, which was intended for Andrea personally. Paivi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Very interesting Lieve. This is exactly why I love this list. I would never get these answers anywhere else... Päivi - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hoi Païvi, What I read through the time about folic acid is that only women that took chemical anticonception for a long time need folic acid. They dont absorb it well and have low levels when they stop with the anticonception. So you can make a difference with women who didnt take anticonception for a while. I also read, but dont ask me where J that taking folic acide doesnt reduce the incidence of neural tube defects, but with normal levels a womens body works better, so also the natural selection, so the affected foetus is spontaneously aborted. So I stimulate women that took oral anticonception to wait a while before getting pregnant and to supplement with folic acid. If thay come on preconceptional consultation I do a blood test and test for folic acid an iron and never give supplements without reason. In the books of Michel Odent you also can find that a drop in hb level and iron after 28 weeks is very normal. It seems that women who dont have the drop are more at risk for premature delivery. So I never give supplementation of iron, except there is a real severe anaemia. You always have to keep in mind that also bacteries grow on iron. Around birth a woman is vulnarable to infections so it is normal for a body to protect itself by lowering the iron reserves. I recommend healthy food, walking and swimming and it works. Kind regards Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Päivi LaukkanenVerzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2006 22:39Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
[ozmidwifery] has anyone tried the made in water birthpool?
Hi, I am planning to stock this new cool birthpool in my Maternity store. It sells only for GBP45! It seems to be the hot product on the market... Just wondering if anyone has tried it? http://www.madeinwater.co.uk/poolcom.htmlo Paivi Independent Childbirth Educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms
Wow, It would be more than terrific to get their story in a local magazine. Is there any way you could hook me up with them? Päivi - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Paivi (sorry, I can't do the accents!) I am some friends (sisters) from Finland living in Australia that birthed at home - in Australia though. Isn't that strange?! Cheers, Jayne - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Absolutely! I plan to show hospital rooms, birthing centre rooms and home. Unfortunately the Birthing Centre consept is not even known about in Finland and we only have some 20 homebirths a year but I am trying to awaken some interest by showing pictures of something we don't really associate with birth over here... Päivi - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Can I suggest some pictures of the most mother/baby friendly? That would have to be ~home~ :) Cheers Jayne - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Hi everyone, I am putting together a photo gallery to display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are from.The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures, please contact me.Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many different countries. Paivi Laukkanen Childbirth Educator Finland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms
Hi everyone, I am putting together a photo gallery to display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are from.The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures, please contact me.Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many different countries. Paivi Laukkanen Childbirth Educator Finland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms
Absolutely! I plan to show hospital rooms, birthing centre rooms and home. Unfortunately the Birthing Centre consept is not even known about in Finland and we only have some 20 homebirths a year but I am trying to awaken some interest by showing pictures of something we don't really associate with birth over here... Päivi - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Can I suggest some pictures of the most mother/baby friendly? That would have to be ~home~ :) Cheers Jayne - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Hi everyone, I am putting together a photo gallery to display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are from.The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures, please contact me.Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many different countries. Paivi Laukkanen Childbirth Educator Finland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
