Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Barb - I have taken home posters to hand out around
my 'neighbourhood" - Drs hospital etc
LOVE the Calendar!
Pinky
- Original Message -
From:
Helen and Graham
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 9:24
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to
vent!!! now WYETH???
Wouldn't there be special advertising rates
for NOT-For-Profit organizations such as ABA? Or could the government
sponsor such an ad as it will ultimately save them lots of money down the
track if more women breastfeed. They are supposedly supporters of
pushing the breastfeeding message anyway. I think it would be great to
have that ad in the Australian!
Helen
- Original Message -
From:
Barbara
Glare Chris Bright
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:40
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need
to vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi,
Yes, complain, please! Send it to
APMAIF.
The money spent on promotion is
unbelievable. I was daydreaming about putting an ad in "Australian
Doctor" last week. I was thinking of a beautiful breastfeeding baby
with the words "Breastfeeding. No false advertsing necesary"
Until I found out the rates. $16 500 per page.
Unbelievable.
And, Kelly, and others thanks for your support
of the Australian Breastfeeding Association. All money goes into
supporting and promoting breastfeeding.
Barb
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly
@ BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:15
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need
to vent!!! now WYETH???
After today, I am
definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a
consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and
gave the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the
products and relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main
exercise seems to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to
chat to those with newborns
people were walking away with boxes of the
stuff, some 2, 3 even 8 boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this
stuff is really what they need to give their babies / toddlers the best.
My mind started ticking over all these slogans I would love to see in
advertising, inspired by the Suck on This article that was published in
Ecologist Magazine in April, but I will bite my tongue.
Btw. LOVE the new
ABA
calendar. Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually
brought me over some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my
stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the
messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an
organization they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up
the fabulous work guys
love it.
Best
Regards,
Kelly
Zantey
From:
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea
QuanchiSent: Saturday,
October 21, 2006 5:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need
to vent!!! now WYETH???
Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by
Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from
a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who
choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional
panel on the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when
they left that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding
but I found it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in
my role as a MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast
feeding rates are often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that
attended was not from wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that
they are sponsoring MCHN's comes from
and the inference that MCHN are brainless
idiots that cant see through their aadvertising
games
Andrea
On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne
wrote:
Really?
Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there
some Vic MCH nurses on this list?
I read your
email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email,
customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing
changes. Sorry to
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that they are sponsoring MCHN's comes fromand the inference that MCHN are brainless idiots that cant see through their aadvertising gamesAndreaOn 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne wrote:Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message -From: Janet FraserTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb?Janet
RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
After today, I am definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and gave the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the products and relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main exercise seems to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to chat to those with newborns people were walking away with boxes of the stuff, some 2, 3 even 8 boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this stuff is really what they need to give their babies / toddlers the best. My mind started ticking over all these slogans I would love to see in advertising, inspired by the Suck on This article that was published in Ecologist Magazine in April, but I will bite my tongue. Btw. LOVE the new ABA calendar. Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually brought me over some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an organization they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up the fabulous work guys love it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:04 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that they are sponsoring MCHN's comes from and the inference that MCHN are brainless idiots that cant see through their aadvertising games Andrea On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne wrote: Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Many doctors have been saying for many years that they are not swayed by pharmaceuticals advertising/giveaways/education sponsorhips. If there is not a substantial financial benefit to these companies why do they use these tactics? Because they are in business and wouldnt spend the money if they didnt see a business benefit to them. Not so long ago these companies used to give hospitals the ABM (artificial baby milk) free why? Not because they were philanthropists but because they knew that parents would go out and buy what they saw in the hospital (because that MUST be best) SO they knew this would boost their business market and hence profit. These companies are clever marketers and they know how to put their brand name in front of us education sessions are an important advertising strategy. They are a subtle way to get around the WHO Code principles. Who pays for the education if a manufacturer of artificial baby milk is sponsoring the education? Parents! I believe we, personally, and our employers need to be responsible for our education not manufacturers of artificial baby milk and certainly not parents. Instead of sponsoring education programmes for health professionals why dont they lower the price to parents who have made the choice to artificially feed? Or, why dont they send the money anonymously for the use of education of health professionals involved in infant feeding? Because this is an ADVERTISING tactic (and probably tax deductible). Why not find an independent dietician or other health professional to educate us on the pros and cons of the various brands? Why not ask our hospitals dietician to research these products and give us an education session? I believe that health professionals need to stand up and say NO to being educated by any particular ABM/pharmaceutical manufacturer. Many of us dont believe doctors should be wined, dined and supported in any monetary form by pharmaceutical companies why would we think that educational events are any different? Pharmaceutical companies use various tactics dependent on the market or country they are in and what latitude they are allowed. We can already see the limits being pushed by a particular company with their toddler milk advertising they are beginning to sneak under the radar and we must once again become vigilant! Sponsored education sessions may seem innocent in themselves but we do need to remember that breastmilk lacks the backing money that these companies can afford. This lack is the reason why the WHO Code was initiated in the first place and why there is a need to be vigilant. Shaughn
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Now, Shaughn, You'll be writing all that to the Victorian Department of Human Services, won't you? Well said! Barb - Original Message - From: Shaughn Leach To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Many doctors have been saying for many years that they are not swayed by pharmaceuticals advertising/giveaways/education sponsorhips. If there is not a substantial financial benefit to these companies why do they use these tactics? Because they are in business and wouldnt spend the money if they didnt see a business benefit to them. Not so long ago these companies used to give hospitals the ABM (artificial baby milk) free why? Not because they were philanthropists but because they knew that parents would go out and buy what they saw in the hospital (because that MUST be best) SO they knew this would boost their business market and hence profit. These companies are clever marketers and they know how to put their brand name in front of us education sessions are an important advertising strategy. They are a subtle way to get around the WHO Code principles. Who pays for the education if a manufacturer of artificial baby milk is sponsoring the education? Parents! I believe we, personally, and our employers need to be responsible for our education not manufacturers of artificial baby milk and certainly not parents. Instead of sponsoring education programmes for health professionals why dont they lower the price to parents who have made the choice to artificially feed? Or, why dont they send the money anonymously for the use of education of health professionals involved in infant feeding? Because this is an ADVERTISING tactic (and probably tax deductible). Why not find an independent dietician or other health professional to educate us on the pros and cons of the various brands? Why not ask our hospitals dietician to research these products and give us an education session? I believe that health professionals need to stand up and say NO to being educated by any particular ABM/pharmaceutical manufacturer. Many of us dont believe doctors should be wined, dined and supported in any monetary form by pharmaceutical companies why would we think that educational events are any different? Pharmaceutical companies use various tactics dependent on the market or country they are in and what latitude they are allowed. We can already see the limits being pushed by a particular company with their toddler milk advertising they are beginning to sneak under the radar and we must once again become vigilant! Sponsored education sessions may seem innocent in themselves but we do need to remember that breastmilk lacks the backing money that these companies can afford. This lack is the reason why the WHO Code was initiated in the first place and why there is a need to be vigilant. Shaughn
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi,
Yes, complain, please! Send it to
APMAIF.
The money spent on promotion is unbelievable.
I was daydreaming about putting an ad in "Australian Doctor" last week. I
was thinking of a beautiful breastfeeding baby with the words
"Breastfeeding. No false advertsing necesary" Until I found out the
rates. $16 500 per page. Unbelievable.
And, Kelly, and others thanks for your support of
the Australian Breastfeeding Association. All money goes into supporting
and promoting breastfeeding.
Barb
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly @
BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:15
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to
vent!!! now WYETH???
After today, I am
definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a
consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and gave
the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the products and
relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main exercise seems
to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to chat to those with
newborns
people were walking away with boxes of the stuff, some 2, 3 even 8
boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this stuff is really what they need
to give their babies / toddlers the best. My mind started ticking over all
these slogans I would love to see in advertising, inspired by the Suck on
This article that was published in Ecologist Magazine in April, but I will
bite my tongue.
Btw. LOVE the new
ABA calendar.
Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually brought me over
some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my
stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the
messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an organization
they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up the fabulous work
guys
love it.
Best
Regards,
Kelly
Zantey
From:
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea QuanchiSent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:04
PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to
vent!!! now WYETH???
Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by
Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a
company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose
to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the
tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left that al
the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found it quite
informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a MCHN
when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are often abismal.
Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from wyeth. I am interested
to know where this idea that they are sponsoring MCHN's comes
from
and the inference that MCHN are brainless idiots
that cant see through their aadvertising games
Andrea
On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne
wrote:
Really?
Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some
Vic MCH nurses on this list?
I read
your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall
hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an
answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a
mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of
'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to
almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :(
Jayne
-
Original Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October
20, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] was
I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
While you are at
it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their
decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by
Wyeth.
WTF?
My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke?
Where can I learn more, Barb?
Janet
RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Barb do you have an address and a copy of the program? My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Saturday, 21 October 2006 7:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Now, Shaughn, You'll be writing all that to the Victorian Department of Human Services, won't you? Well said! Barb - Original Message - From: Shaughn Leach To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Many doctors have been saying for many years that they are not swayed by pharmaceuticals advertising/giveaways/education sponsorhips. If there is not a substantial financial benefit to these companies why do they use these tactics? Because they are in business and wouldnt spend the money if they didnt see a business benefit to them. Not so long ago these companies used to give hospitals the ABM (artificial baby milk) free why? Not because they were philanthropists but because they knew that parents would go out and buy what they saw in the hospital (because that MUST be best) SO they knew this would boost their business market and hence profit. These companies are clever marketers and they know how to put their brand name in front of us education sessions are an important advertising strategy. They are a subtle way to get around the WHO Code principles. Who pays for the education if a manufacturer of artificial baby milk is sponsoring the education? Parents! I believe we, personally, and our employers need to be responsible for our education not manufacturers of artificial baby milk and certainly not parents. Instead of sponsoring education programmes for health professionals why dont they lower the price to parents who have made the choice to artificially feed? Or, why dont they send the money anonymously for the use of education of health professionals involved in infant feeding? Because this is an ADVERTISING tactic (and probably tax deductible). Why not find an independent dietician or other health professional to educate us on the pros and cons of the various brands? Why not ask our hospitals dietician to research these products and give us an education session? I believe that health professionals need to stand up and say NO to being educated by any particular ABM/pharmaceutical manufacturer. Many of us dont believe doctors should be wined, dined and supported in any monetary form by pharmaceutical companies why would we think that educational events are any different? Pharmaceutical companies use various tactics dependent on the market or country they are in and what latitude they are allowed. We can already see the limits being pushed by a particular company with their toddler milk advertising they are beginning to sneak under the radar and we must once again become vigilant! Sponsored education sessions may seem innocent in themselves but we do need to remember that breastmilk lacks the backing money that these companies can afford. This lack is the reason why the WHO Code was initiated in the first place and why there is a need to be vigilant. Shaughn
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Wouldn't there be special advertising rates for
NOT-For-Profit organizations such as ABA? Or could the government sponsor
such an ad as it will ultimately save them lots of money down the track if more
women breastfeed. They are supposedly supporters of pushing the
breastfeeding message anyway. I think it would be great to have that ad in
the Australian!
Helen
- Original Message -
From:
Barbara
Glare Chris Bright
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:40
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to
vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi,
Yes, complain, please! Send it to
APMAIF.
The money spent on promotion is
unbelievable. I was daydreaming about putting an ad in "Australian
Doctor" last week. I was thinking of a beautiful breastfeeding baby with
the words "Breastfeeding. No false advertsing necesary" Until I
found out the rates. $16 500 per page. Unbelievable.
And, Kelly, and others thanks for your support of
the Australian Breastfeeding Association. All money goes into supporting
and promoting breastfeeding.
Barb
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly @
BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:15
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need
to vent!!! now WYETH???
After today, I am
definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a
consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and gave
the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the products and
relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main exercise seems
to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to chat to those with
newborns
people were walking away with boxes of the stuff, some 2, 3 even 8
boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this stuff is really what they
need to give their babies / toddlers the best. My mind started ticking over
all these slogans I would love to see in advertising, inspired by the Suck
on This article that was published in Ecologist Magazine in April, but I
will bite my tongue.
Btw. LOVE the new
ABA
calendar. Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually
brought me over some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my
stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the
messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an organization
they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up the fabulous
work guys
love it.
Best
Regards,
Kelly
Zantey
From:
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea QuanchiSent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:04
PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need
to vent!!! now WYETH???
Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by
Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a
company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose
to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on
the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left
that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found
it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a
MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are
often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from
wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that they are sponsoring
MCHN's comes from
and the inference that MCHN are brainless
idiots that cant see through their aadvertising
games
Andrea
On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne
wrote:
Really?
Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some
Vic MCH nurses on this list?
I
read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall
hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an
answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a
mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of
'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared
to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :(
Jayne
- Original
Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October
20, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH
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Hi, I'd love to see some flyers or a website on that conference. Barb - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep
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Barb, My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to contact me off the list. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, I'd love to see some flyers or a website on that conference. Barb - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery
[ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
