RE: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
Personally: having BF two children and AF one - one BF'er and the AF'er always needed burping (both boys - still find it quite amusing to burp at the dinner table - Hmmm) and got so colicky and sad without it. The other BF'er (girl - hasn't learnt to burp at the table yet!) co-slept, fed all night and rarely needed it. So when at work at night, I probably give mixed messages as well, but tend to advicse to burp. But I find that the primep's are so new at it all that instead of burping the baby, they are SO gentle that they almost tickle them - is so cute to see - then you get the MIL (they are there at night sometimes) or multi4 or 5, and they are very adept at it all, and much more 'hands on' if you get what I mean. Cheryl From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:05:15 + Thanks for your replies! I guess it is a case of encouraging the mother to follow her baby. If he falls asleep after a good feed then leave him. If he is fidgeting about and seems uncomfortable try winding him to see if that is the problem. They will soon work out if they have a baby who needs to burp or not. I never winded my babies. My mother in law insisted on winding my son if she was around. After being jogged and rubbed he would puke up his entire feed and have to be fed again - very annoying! Rachel _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
I never burped my daughter at all, I seem to recall trying a few times and finding it impossible and pointless. I have friends though were it works easily and clearly makes a huge difference to the baby's comfort. Interestingly enough these are not babes that need to woken up to burp and most likely would not sleep until they had been burped. Seems to me like one of those things where women should know to give it a go if they want to and then do what works for them and their baby. cheers Jo At 7:40 AM + 5/11/05, wump fish wrote: What do you wise women think about winding/burping babies. I am very aware that I am totally confusing women and providing them with information which conflicts with my colleagues. I would love to hear what information you give women about this subject. My standpoint at the moment (more than willing to change it) is that for most babies winding is unnecessary and if they fall asleep at the breast just leave them. Rather than sitting them up and jiggling them about = waking them up all over again etc. Other cultures do not wind/burp babies. Wind will find it's own way out. Please correct me - I would love to hear alternative theories. Rachel _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
I'm with you re winding. Re Abs in labour without even risk factors. This contradicts even the Centre for Disease Control in the US and isn't written in any major Australian policies I can find. You are right, even studying all the research (none of which is randomized) it is confusing what to tell women. MM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wump fish Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2005 3:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding What do you wise women think about winding/burping babies. I am very aware that I am totally confusing women and providing them with information which conflicts with my colleagues. I would love to hear what information you give women about this subject. My standpoint at the moment (more than willing to change it) is that for most babies winding is unnecessary and if they fall asleep at the breast just leave them. Rather than sitting them up and jiggling them about = waking them up all over again etc. Other cultures do not wind/burp babies. Wind will find it's own way out. Please correct me - I would love to hear alternative theories. Rachel _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
wump fish wrote: What do you wise women think about winding/burping babies. I am very aware that I am totally confusing women and providing them with information which conflicts with my colleagues. I would love to hear what information you give women about this subject. My standpoint at the moment (more than willing to change it) is that for most babies winding is unnecessary and if they fall asleep at the breast just leave them. Rather than sitting them up and jiggling them about = waking them up all over again etc. Other cultures do not wind/burp babies. Wind will find it's own way out. Please correct me - I would love to hear alternative theories. Rachel I usually suggest it, as newborns often are a bit uncoordinated with their suck/swallow/breathe, and crying makes them swallow air. If their tummy is full of wind after a feed, they might think they're full, and go to sleep. I say to women that if they get rid of the burp, the baby might feed a bit more as they don't feel full anymore, and it could save them from having a crying baby in 10 min with stomach pains. However, since having a baby of my own, I haven't really noticed wind to be a problem. I winded him after every feed in his younger months, but now that we are co-sleeping, he is feeding x number of times a night laying down, and definitely NOT being winded! There seems to be no problem. The air will come out the other end, but I thought in young babies it hurt them, as there has never been wind in their bowels before. That was really my 2 only reasons for suggesting it to women. I never said they should, just said what might happen if they didn't. I did follow up with 'every baby is different, see how you go'. :) Jo (Mum to Will, who is rolling rolling rolling!) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
If bub's gone to sleep, why wake it up banging it on the back? Just the other day I saw a new born in the bath, (2 days old) and all these cute little bubbles originating from it's bottom, bub very happy indeed. How often do you think a bub's pooed, you've heard a noise, smelt the smell, but no poo. Some babies burp easily, others don't seem to need burping. Still others seem determined to hang onto their wind, so they can make a fuss later. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2005 9:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding wump fish wrote: What do you wise women think about winding/burping babies. I am very aware that I am totally confusing women and providing them with information which conflicts with my colleagues. I would love to hear what information you give women about this subject. My standpoint at the moment (more than willing to change it) is that for most babies winding is unnecessary and if they fall asleep at the breast just leave them. Rather than sitting them up and jiggling them about = waking them up all over again etc. Other cultures do not wind/burp babies. Wind will find it's own way out. Please correct me - I would love to hear alternative theories. Rachel I usually suggest it, as newborns often are a bit uncoordinated with their suck/swallow/breathe, and crying makes them swallow air. If their tummy is full of wind after a feed, they might think they're full, and go to sleep. I say to women that if they get rid of the burp, the baby might feed a bit more as they don't feel full anymore, and it could save them from having a crying baby in 10 min with stomach pains. However, since having a baby of my own, I haven't really noticed wind to be a problem. I winded him after every feed in his younger months, but now that we are co-sleeping, he is feeding x number of times a night laying down, and definitely NOT being winded! There seems to be no problem. The air will come out the other end, but I thought in young babies it hurt them, as there has never been wind in their bowels before. That was really my 2 only reasons for suggesting it to women. I never said they should, just said what might happen if they didn't. I did follow up with 'every baby is different, see how you go'. :) Jo (Mum to Will, who is rolling rolling rolling!) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding
I'm a big believer in follow the baby's lead. I tell mothers they'll know if baby needs burping. And if it doesn't, why bother? One of mine needed burping for 2 weeks quite early on. I found it tedious in the extreme and was thrilled when she got over it. But mothers are harassed by grandparents etc on this one. Burping is like bathing - women are under pressure from previous generations of mothers. I really feel these women judge by the standards and practices of their day: you can measure how good a mother someone is by whether she baths her baby every day, and whether she burps it vigorously for 30 mins after every feed. Of course, these are the women who introduced solids at 6 weeks and had babies toilet trained by 6 months (have had one tell me of 2 months!). I tell mothers - and grandmothers - that times change, practices change, do what works for you and your baby. Kate - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] burping/winding Thanks for your replies! I guess it is a case of encouraging the mother to follow her baby. If he falls asleep after a good feed then leave him. If he is fidgeting about and seems uncomfortable try winding him to see if that is the problem. They will soon work out if they have a baby who needs to burp or not. I never winded my babies. My mother in law insisted on winding my son if she was around. After being jogged and rubbed he would puke up his entire feed and have to be fed again - very annoying! Rachel _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
