[PAYCO] Re: PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Our email dated 31 October 2017 refers titled PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS.

Fellow Comrades, we (namely, the Unity Steering Committee and Facilitating
Committee) are still waiting for your confirmation to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting among other issues is to discuss PAC Unity Special
National Conference as per clause 5.5 of PAC Ga-Matlala Tompi Seleke 2000
National Congress.

May you please indicate to us if you are available to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting.

Regards
Nkrumah Kgagudi
On behalf of Unity Steering Committee

On 31 Oct 2017 17:14, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Attached find an invitation letter to the PAC unity follow-up meeting and
the 16 July Midrand Unity meeting outcomes. AS USC and FC we are ready to
the December PAC Unity Special Conference, hence this meeting of the 11th
November 2017 is a crucial nodal point for the forward movement
and consolidation of the PAC unification.

We will gladly appreciate your reply in advance for purpose of organising
logistics.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] Forge Principled Unity or Perish!

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

As matters stands and also noting the recent reactions/responses, September
2017 will be a critical period for the PAC Unity Program. An inclusive
national unity meeting will take place very soon and 3/4 Provincial Unity
Consultative meetings are scheduled. The question is will PAC members
continue to blame Cde Letlapa or Cde Mpethi or Cde Mbinda as "Presidents"
or members and branches will rise above mediocre and salvage the
disntegrating PAC? Hence, we must ask will there be a revolutionary Pan
Afrikanist party called PAC beyond 2019? If yes, what is that which arouses
that confidence and optimism, if the reply will be NO will you take full
blame and accountability as a PAC member for failing to salvage and rebuild
a revolutionary party called PAC or will you apportioned the collapse of
PAC to others?

Shnago lashu
Nkrumah




















On 26 May 2016 at 10:27, eddie mfulwane  wrote:

> Cde Apa
>
> I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know
> you are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of
> maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse
> PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be
> busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows.
>
> I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non
> existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND
> THEREFORE NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!*
>
> Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of
> Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to
> submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting.
>
> President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with
> IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still
> lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will
> create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to.
>
>
> Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a
> sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like
> you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation.
>
> *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016
> Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC
> on 03rd August 2016.*
>
>
> Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Apa Pooe
>> Sec for Information and Publicity
>> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *RE.Mfulwane*
>
>
>
>
> *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
> MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634*
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Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

0749226361

On 20 Jan 2017 07:40, "'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress"
<payco@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me
> 0741531525/0731531525
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni <
> sipho.samang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the
> members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be
> in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is
> to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by
> those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need
> to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> M'Afrika Maoka
>
> The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and
> forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some
> perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion.
>
> All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should
> be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up
> aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist
> manifesto.
>
> All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete
> their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and
> component structures.
>
> All component structures should be operate within their respective
> constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi
> Seleke Congress
>
> Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white
> supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every
> PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the
> crystal political mandates.
>
> 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this
> objective.
>
> Shango lashu
> Nkrumah Kgagudi
>
> On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" <richardma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kindly receive the attached
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Maoka RN
>
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Re: [PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu! Brother Buntu

On 16 Sep 2016 09:13, "BabaBuntu"  wrote:

> *M'Afrika,*
>
> eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to
>
> *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN*
>
> *1st October (all day)*
>
> *Johannesburg, Gauteng*
>
>
> See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember!
>
>
>
> Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day)
>
> Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men
> (18+) on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and
> relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no
> taboos!
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on
> Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand
> themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman
> and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The
> session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA.
>
>
>
> If you are interested, send your email address, name and age – and you
> will receive a personal invitation with more details. Note that the session
> is informed by Pan-Afrikan cultural philosophy and practice, but not linked
> to any religious or political institution. It is suitable for ALL Black men
> of all age groups, over 18 years, who are open to Pan-Afrikan ideas.
>
>
> Izwe Lethu iAfrika!
>
>
> i...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA / eBukhosini Solutions
>
> www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> --
> Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU
> Executive Director
> Johannesburg
>
> Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
> Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/
> My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu
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Re: [PAYCO] APLA IMBIZO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

APLA National Imbizo

The APLA National Imbizo will be held on:

Date: 01 October 2016
Place: Bloemfontein
Venue: is available and will be announced in due course.

Those who wish to make accommodation arrangements, please make sure that
you make bookings in Bloemfontein Central, not far from Mimosa Mall.

This is a call to all former APLA forces to come reminisce and where
practical see how best can we help each other going forward.

For more details contact Ntsiki Kungwayo aka Nosipho Gaca @ 082 224 1686
during working hours or send an email to ntsikikungw...@gmail.com

Please share

On 14 Sep 2016 18:54, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved.
>
> The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we
> speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference"  whether
> the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason
> parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default.
> Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based
> on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another
> issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There
> is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses
> that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line
> with the PAC Constitution).
>
> The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works
> outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My
> proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to
> convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but
> all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA,
> PAYCO and PASMA) agree to  continue with the talks and convening of the PAC
> Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in
> political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction
> only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction /
> group.
>
> On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at
> provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM
> decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM
> member  I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so
> by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself.
> Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf
> of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously.
>
> My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is
> not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at
> a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so
> especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just
> know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity
> meetings / conferences at the moment.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
>> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
>> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
>> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
>> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
>> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>>
>> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
>> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
>> roles.
>>
>> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
>> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
>> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
>> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
>> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
>> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
>> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
>> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>>
>> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
>> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>>
>> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
>> programme to forge pr

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

A provincial unity meeting is planned for the October 2015, I encourage you
attend provincial meetings and also there will be Vaal Regional meeting
somewhere in October.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 14 Sep 2016 18:01, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cde Chargein
>
> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>
> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
> roles.
>
> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>
> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>
> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
> programme to forge principled unity of the PAC;, PAM and any leadership
> faction which embraces this call of principled party Unity must also close
> ranks and march ahead.
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah
>
> On 14 Sep 2016 17:30, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures
>> not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the
>> Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly
>> constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? Which clause (s) in the PAC Constitution will be followed to
>> establish the new structure constitutionally and also have the powers to
>> convene the PAC National Conference or Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? According to the PAC Constitution, it is only the PAC NEC has
>> powers to convene the PAC National Conference / Congress, not other
>> structure?(Refer to the PAC Constitution). All PAC activities are only
>> guided by the PAC Basic Documents, nothing more, nothing less. Hence, the
>> need to get the buy-in from the existing NEC structures as constitutionally
>> recognized entities elected in a PAC "Conferences" because they constitute
>> PAC National leadership even by default. I used "Conferences" to emphasize
>> the fact that that is so even if their status is debatable within the PAC.
>> Remember, the decisions of courts of laws are not in line with and outside
>> the PAC Constitution. They cannot be reached in violation of the PAC
>> Constitution and then be binding to PAC members. Mbinda-led NEC may be
>> legally recognised as PAC NEC but may at the same time unconstitutional and
>> illlegimate within the PAC because it was elected in violation of the PAC
>> Constitution. The same may apply to Mphahlele-led NEC. It is only a
>> properly constituted PAC Conference / Conference can make such a decision,
>> not courts or law or some kangaroo courts in some corners. Hence, the need
>> to convene a properly constituted PAC Conference / Congress jointly
>> organised by, at least, the two PAC NECs.
>>
>> Comrade, let's remember: two wrongs do not make a right. We cannot
>> correct the wrongs of others through our own wrong ways. The right way to
>> run PAC affairs is to do everything in line with the PAC Basic Documents,
>> especially the Constitution in this case. Any decisions (resolutions) taken
>> outside the PAC national conferences / congresses are not PAC decisions
>> (resolutions). Party decisions affecting branches are taken at branch
>> meetings or AGMs, those affecting regional  or provincial structures are
>> taken at Regional or provincial conferences / congresses and also those
>> affecting national structures are taken at national conferences /
>> congresses as per the PAC Constitution as we know it. Any decisions taken
>> not in line with 

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Chargein

The two approaches are contradictory both can unfold simultaneously leading
to a PAC UNITY National Conference, that is, Bottom-up and Dissolution of
parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC National Unity
Conference.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 14 Sep 2016 09:40, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Who calls the conference may be a major obstacle to my proposal but it can
> be overcome through collective effort. The feasible solution is to convene
> the special conference or congress jointly and the conference / congress to
> be co-chared by the joint  / collective leadership of the three NECs (two
> PAC NECS and PAM NEC). That is, the two PAC NECs and PAM NEC  to come
> together and convene the conference / congress jointly. That is not
> something new. After the PAC unbanning, the PAC Central Committee from
> exile under the leadership of PAC Chairman Johnson Mlambo and PAM NEC
> (representing PAC in the hone front) under the leadership of President
> Clarence Makwetu convened the 2nd PAC Congress jointly to elect the
> collective PAC leadership. Comrade Johnson Mlambo and other former PAC
> leaders can advised the joint committee how to convene conference /
> congress jointly from their experience. The joint committee may be composed
> of two representives from two PAC factions and PAM e,g, presidents and
> secretary=-generals of the three factions. Any arrangement can be decided
> on.  Nothing is impossible.
>
> I know Mbinda-Moloto will try to resist the inclusion of Mphahlele's
> faction in the convening of the conference / congress. The truth is there
> can be no unity withiin the PAC without Mphahlele's faction. That we must
> admit it. We all need each other. Mbinda faction needs both PAM and
> Mphahlele's faction and vice-versa. I know many people are scared of
> Mphahlele as an individual for his consistence for what he believes in but
> they cannot wish him away from the PAC just like that. He is part and
> parcel of the PAC. He is an asset and liability of the PAC like Mabaso,
> Ntsie, Narius, Fihla, Mbinda, etc. We are products of PAC and no other
> political party. To wish us away from the PAC is wishful thinking. We will
> remain PAC inside or outside PAC. PAC must just learn how to live with us
> like Julius Malaema to the ANC  or else we will be a toothache to the PAC,
> both individually or collectively. That is a fact.
>
> Comrades, PAM has no preconditions before attending PAC Special unity
> Conference/Congress if we are invited accordingly and as long as we are
> invited by PAC, not PAC factions (both Mbinda and Mphahlele faction or even
> new PAC faction). We will definitely attend a properly organised PAC
> Special Conference / Congress as long it will be organiised in line with
> the PAC Constitution adopted before Qwaqwa Congress (at Tompie Seleka
> Congress) as that is undoctored PAC Constitution.  If PAC does not have it,
> we have it in our custody.
>
> Comrades, we are not scared to be swallowed by PAC leadership. We know
> what we stand for and what we expect for PAC unity to materialize.  We have
> the right to march out of any unity conference / congress if it is not what
> we expected or even later breakaway from the unholy marriage. We are not
> obliged to unite if we are not the like-minded.
>
> That is our position.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's?
>>
>> Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since
>> Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while
>> others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution?
>>
>> Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols?
>>
>> Shango lashu
>>
>> Nkrumah
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Comrade Nkrumah
>>>
>>> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special
>>> unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic
>>> introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party,
>>> learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic
>>> resolutions to uproot factiomalism in the party, disband all factions
>>> and NEC structures elected based on factions, develop Party-building
>>> programme to unite the Party into a great party, establish collective
>>> leadership for collective responsibility, etc .
>>>
>>> On 13/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's?

Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since
Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while
others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution?

Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols?

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special
> unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic
> introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party,
> learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic
> resolutions to uproot factiomalism in the party, disband all factions
> and NEC structures elected based on factions, develop Party-building
> programme to unite the Party into a great party, establish collective
> leadership for collective responsibility, etc .
>
> On 13/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cde Chargein
> >
> > Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge
> > principled unity?
> >
> > Regards
> > Nkrumah
> >
> > On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Comrade Nkrumah
> >>
> >> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.
> >>
> >> The explanation you gave do not assist
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> >> nrkgag...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Cde Chargin
> >> >
> >> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
> >> >
> >> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an
> >> > unity
> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48
> hours)
> >> and
> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may
> lack
> >> > a
> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
> >> elitist
> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> >> > attend the conference .
> >> >
> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
> >> necessity
> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels
> as
> >> > a
> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity
> of
> >> the
> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the
> >> > problem
> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution.
> >> > These
> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which
> then
> >> in
> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by
> >> > which
> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> >> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of
> >> > activists,
> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental
> >> > change
> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> >> > primarily by members.
> >> >
> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if
> members
> >> per
> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consci

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge
principled unity?

Regards
Nkrumah

On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.
>
> The explanation you gave do not assist
>
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cde Chargin
> >
> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
> >
> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity
> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours)
> and
> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a
> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
> elitist
> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> > attend the conference .
> >
> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
> necessity
> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels as a
> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of
> the
> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem
> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These
> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then
> in
> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which
> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists,
> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change
> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> > primarily by members.
> >
> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members
> per
> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce
> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will
> catalyse
> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom
> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to
> an
> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on
> the
> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles
> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and
> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch
> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to
> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch.
> We
> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party
> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate
> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
> (re)building
> > programme.
> >
> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
> What's
> > fundamental is members must ag

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

f factions or factionalism.
>
> ln a political party, a faction is simply a group of individuals with a
> common political purpose and is sometimes referred to as a power bloc or
> even a caucus in its embryonic stage. All the current factions in the PAC
> started as legitimate caucuses, not necessary full blown factions. We
> learned later that all caucuses are nothing but factions in their embryonic
> stage, whether ideological or leadership factions. The main aim of any
> faction is to advance a particular policy or policy agenda and/or
> preventing the adoption of alternative policies and supporting given
> individuals to position of power within the organisationto represent and
> advance the faction’s agenda. A faction can also be based around supporting
> a given person, a leader, to be elected into leadership position. The
> former is the ideological faction and the latter is leadership faction.
>
> For example, the Africanists were an ideological faction within the ANC in
> the 1950s. They developed the revolutionary Nation-Building Programme and
> forced it down the throat of the reformist ANC Old Guards during the ANC
> National Conference held in Bloemfontein in 1949. The ANC adopted the
> Programme of Action after a fierce political battle and the Old Guard later
> regurgitated it in 1955. Whoever wanted to be voted to lead the ANC in the
> 1949 ANC Bloemfontein Conference as its President was required as a
> prerequisite to accept and endorse the Programme of Action and commit
> himself/her to uphold the Programme in his/her term of office. The
> Africanist faction fought fireless to opposed the ANC adoption of Freedom
> Charter in 1955. Unlike the Africanist ideological faction, the PAC
> factions formed after the 1993 Umtata Conference up to today were and are
> still the leadership factions, not ideological factions. They were or are
> still based on around supporting a given person to the PAC President based
> on the Messiah mentality. e.g.. Dr. Mogoba, Dr Pheko, Maxwell
> Nemadzhivhanani, Letlapa Mphahlele, Thami Plaatjie, Luthando Mbinda,
> Mphethi, etc. Malema’s faction within the ANCYL focused all its efforts on
> one policy issue, nationalization of key economic sectors of the South
> African economy (mines, banks, big industries, etc) so as to assume the
> status of an ideological faction within the ANC just like the Africanists
> to avoid being reduced into a mere leadership faction like the current PAC
> factions. The T.M. Ntantala’s faction in exile also assumed the status of
> an ideological faction whose proposed policy positions were enshrined in
> the New Road of Revolution. The Revolutionary Watchdogs tried to assume a
> policy stand too against the Constituent Assembly in the pre-1994 era just
> like T.M. Ntatala and Malema’s factions within the PAC and ANC,
> respectively.
>
> The point is Clause 15 of the PAC Disciplinary Code refers leadership
> faction, not to ideological factions. Ideological factions are healthy in
> any active political party. They are an indication of dynamism in the
> political life of an organisation. It must be encouraged at all times.
> Without ideological struggles, the Party will degenerate, both politically
> and ideologically.
>
> So far we have all failed to form ideological factions within the PAC in
> the post-1994 era of the New Democracy. We have all not outgrown leadership
> factions. That is why some of us resist the disbandment of current
> leadership factions. We need PAC unity to avail the opportunity for the
> realignment of revolutionary and progressive forces both inside and outside
> the PAC based on a minimum programme (agreed upon policies or policy
> agenda). We can call it an Africanist or Socialist Agenda and constitute
> ourselves into a Revolutionary Vanguard or Revolutionary Pan Africanists or
> Africanist Socialist Democrats to advocate for an Africanist Socialist
> Democracy proposed by the founders of PAC . That is, we must follow
> steadfastly on the footsteps of Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe and Dr. Kwame
> Nkrumah, not leaders of current leadership factions.
>
> I hope I made my point clear on the concept of factions.
>
>
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 12 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for
>> us, this will assist to move from the same wavelength.
>>
>> There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which
>> furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are
>> working with other party members, thus parallel structures are on a decline
>> in many parts of Gauteng. The dying parallel str

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for us,
this will assist to move from the same wavelength.

There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which
furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are
working with other party members, thus parallel structures are on a decline
in many parts of Gauteng. The dying parallel structures will logically lead
to PAC hosting one inclusive party events, we can't oversimplify the task
to forge principled unity and defactionalise the party it's an internal
struggle in it's own nature given the ideological contradictions prevalent
within the party.

The decisive battle to be won it's when party members in mass reject and
denounce factional gatherings including a factional leaders and the same
members resort to forge unity from their respective areas and build from
that base.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 12 Sep 2016 18:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Theory is only good if it can address praxtical problems. You did
> explain how will your Bottom-up approach can solve current dilema in
> the Vaal. You did expolain why in Gaung there are two PAC rallIes
> whenever the Party commemorates important days in its calender if your
> apporoach works. You are two factions. That is clear. A united PAC in
> Gauteng is expected to hold one rally,, not two or more on the same
> day. May be there is lack of understanding of factions and
> factionalism here or defence of factionalism. That is another debate
> on its own.
>
> On 12/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cde Chargein
> >
> > We run the risk to label everything and effort as a faction, please 1.
> > define and describe a faction.
> >
> > Secondly, it's evident we disagree on the approach to forge principled
> > unity. We advocate a Bottom-up approach which has proven itself to be
> most
> > effective to defactionalise, reconcile and forge unity in the PAC
> starting
> > from branch level leading to national level- national conference to
> > consolidate and create a PoA. Among many ingredients the bottom-Up
> approach
> > is Inclusive Branch and regional meetings to forge unity should be
> > facilitated by members accepted by such that the unification process is
> > credible and has integrity.  A party unification process which is members
> > centred and members driven premised on the very same principle of
> > Democratic Centralism.
> >
> > As opposed to members who are highly factionalised meeting for the first
> > time at a national conference hoping to achieve unity in less 48 hours
> > national conference.
> >
> > Shango lashu
> >
> > On 12 Sep 2016 16:42, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Comrade Nkrumah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Top-up approach sounds good in theory but not in practice. The
> >> Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism *“…emphasizes the
> >> dependence of theory on practice, emphasizes that theory is based on
> >> practice and in turn serves practice.”* [*Mao Tse Tung on Theory and
> >> Practice*]. Theory does not serve itself. The same applies to natural
> >> science and our current challenge to unite the PAC. That is, the
> >> correctness of the Top-up approach should be based on practice. Ours is
> >> to
> >> be put the Top-up approach on test through practice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Let’s take, for example, the Vaal area as a typical case in hand. The
> >> Top-up approach assumes (makes hypothesis that) if comrade Apa Pooe (who
> >> belongs to Mphahlele faction) convenes a branch or regional meeting
> today
> >> that such a meeting will be attended by comrade Nthate (who belongs to
> >> Mbinda-Moloto faction) without any tensions ending up to verbal attacks
> >> and
> >> physical fights. That is incorrect. In the same meeting comrade
> >> Solundwane
> >> or Mabaso, a PAM member, are also expected to attend that meeting
> without
> >> tensions simmering. The same is true if the meeting is convened by cde
> >> Nthate or cde Mabaso. The meeting will fuel unnecessary tensions and
> will
> >> be a recipe for more conflict than unity. Remember all these factions
> >> still
> >> have scores to settle which are still there. They are gone just because
> >> of
> >> the talk for unity. In the same meeting convened by APA Pooe, President
> >> Mphahlele will be invited to address the meeting as a PAC Presid

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

n.
> They are told to first disband PAM before unity is discussed or recognised
> within the PAC. Funny enough, the same does not apply to PAC factions which
> are multiplying day by day. WHY? The reasons are those factions do not
> believe there is crisis within the PAC and those socalled unity talks are
> between PAM and one of the PAC factions, not between PAM and one, united
> PAC. It is either between PAM and Mphahlele’s faction or Mbinda’s faction
> or the new PAC faction formed, consciously or unconsciously, around Gauteng
> which normally have rallies around Soweto not attending rallies organised
> by Mbinda-Moloto’s faction. What do you call such meetings? They are
> nothing but an attempt to consolidate individual factions turning them into
> super-factions instead of uniting PAC. That is the true meaning of the
> Top-up approach.
>
>
>
> The Top-up approach is also doomed to fail. It will reach its political
> cul-de-sac sooner than expected. It’s a waste of time and fruitless
> exercise. It must be treated as such.
>
>
>
> A new approach is needed if we are serious about PAC unity. A principled,
> scientific approach based on the 1959 Basic Documents is the only solution
> to the current PAC crisis. All factions and parties must, first, be
> disbanded at a conference or congress level, not only PAM. That is what all
> PAC factions do not want. A new leadership must be put in place based on
> collective leadership and be legitimised by and resolved in a conference or
> congress and mandated to take collective responsibility to unite PAC, not
> individual PAC factions. If not so, let’s kiss and say goodbye to unity
> talks. They will not work.
>
>
>
> Unity talks are now used only for political point-scoring, not for what
> they intended for. We are not short-sighted to see it. We are all not
> obliged to unite if we are not the likeminded. Unholy marriage will not
> last. We know it from experience. That is why Africanists broke away from
> the captured ANC in 1958 and formed PAC. The same is true for PAC at the
> moment. It is captured too by wrong elements. With Africanist breakaway,
> the South African history was not the same again. The same happened after
> ZANU broke away from ZAPU and the Bolsheviks broke away from the
> Mensheviks. It is nothing new. The reason for opposing unprincipled unity
> is, without the foundation for unity (solid ideological unity, strong
> organisational unity and strict discipline), PAC unity is a pie in the
> sky.  It will not last.
>
>
>
> The truth is PAC is captured by wrong elements like the ANC. To rescue PAC
> from the current crisis, extra-ordinary measures must be taken. Liberalism
> will not work. Let’s forget about it.
>
>
>
> I repeat: we are forced to unite. If there is no foundation for Party
> unity, let’s forget about PAC unity. PAC founders were right to leave
> captured ANC in 1958. History judged them correctly. It will be the judge
> even this time.
>
>
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 9 September 2016 at 16:55, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Comrade Charge-in
>>
>>
>>
>> Factionalism within the party which has exhibited itself in many ills
>> such as the parallel National Leadership structures including other party
>> structures, is a manifestation of both the ideo-political and organisation
>> degeneration, primarily degeneration of the branches and members of the
>> PAC, hence the rot and decay we see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Legitimacy of any leadership is derived from popular explicit and
>> implicit consent of the governed (members and branches) acting through, and
>> as determined and prescribed by the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code. 
>> Whether
>> a leadership has authority, in the sense that members and branches obey its
>> instructions and laws, we can ask whether it(leadership) has legitimacy.
>> The term legitimate comes from the Latin for ‘lawful’. In the most basic
>> sense, a national leadership is legitimate if it exists and operates
>> according to the law in this case PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code
>> thus enjoy full support and recognition of members and branches. Branches
>> are the party's basic blocks, they are a determining factor of unity or
>> perpetuation of factions, if they are strong or weak. If the majority or
>> ideally all members and branches withdraw their recognition and association
>> of any national leadership then no-one leadership can claim legitimacy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Weak branches and members are susceptible to evil influences, hence the
>> feuding parallel National Leaderships thrives o

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 the normal processes
of free discussion fail to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron
discipline should come into play, and factional”.



Shango Lashu

NKrumah



On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> How are you, Son of the soil?
>
> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would  like to
> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is not
> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am not
> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on the
> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge of
> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined in
> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific approach.
> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
>
> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to
> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the current
> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have their
> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of
> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, APRP,
> etc.  PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds,
> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The
> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the
> ANC,  let alone in evolutionary ones.
>
> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic
> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from my
> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic
> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the PAC
> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, for
> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the
> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code after
> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever disprove
> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us as
> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start to
> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions of
> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly
> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me
> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is
> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah
> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is
> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of
> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and
> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with
> their enemies.
>
> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am
> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage.
> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents,
> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters
> of the soil.
>
> I am available next week from  Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg
> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in
> contact.
>
> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up
> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong.  My instinct and logic say the
> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after
> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later,
> comrade.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
> Charge-in Mabaso
> Cell: 071 020 3554
>
>  .
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Cde Charge in
>>
>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
>> initiators.
>>
>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures,
>> in some areas parallel structures have c

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Charge in

Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
initiators.

Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in
some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to
rebuild ftom the bottom.

I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Ma-Afrika
>
> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the
> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope
> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the
> right direction.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> .
>
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Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass
agitation in regard to fees must fall.

Nkrumah

On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga <mphi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good Morning MaAfrika
>
> What happened to PASMA AND ARM?
>
> Regards,
>
> *electronically send no signed - authentic *
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> T (012) 320 6472 - 5
> F (012) 320 2179
> F2email: 086 225 4254
> Email: mphi...@gmail.com
> C 073 182 2656
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Comrades
>>>
>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
>>> already started.
>>>
>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
>>> izozala nkomoni?
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>> Ex- PASO Veteran
>>> 0710203554
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za <mmas...@webmail.co.za> wrote:
>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many
>>> other
>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
>>> >
>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability
>>> to
>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
>>> attractive
>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made
>>> here
>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
>>> organisational
>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
>>> > direction and success.
>>> >
>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done
>>> to the
>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
>>> herein.
>>> >
>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
>>> Letlapa
>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
>>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity
>>> to take
>>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear
>>> mandate, for
>>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure
>>> proper
>>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the
>>> time,
>>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent
>>> place.
>>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The
>>> list of
>>> > indecision instances is sizeable.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and
>>> would be
>>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
>>> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces.
>>> This was
>>> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
>>> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some
>>> league
>>> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who
>>> led
>>> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue
>>> is
>>> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
>>> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
>>> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of
>>> 'mitigation'. In
>>> > this insta

[PAYCO] Re: PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION UNITY AND FOWARD MOVEMENT

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

Reading these e-mails one wonders, in the last 3 years,how far has PAC
moved to resolve internal feuding and forge principled unity?

Nkrumah

On 19 March 2013 at 14:29, Nkrumah Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings, M’Afrika
>
>
>
> This is a summary of the outcomes of PAC Johannesburg regional meeting
> held on the 17th March 2013. PAC members and branches in Johannesburg
> region acknowledged that for long the party has been ravaged by divisions
> and unjustified internal conflicts, and that there has been a disregard of
> the party constitution and principles which should govern our political
> work as members and structures. PAC Johannesburg region members and
> branches resolved not to proceed with the regional congress instead focus
> on forging a principled unity that is based on full adherence to basic
> party principles as outlined in the PAC Ga-Matlala Constitution and
> Disciplinary Code. And members also resolved to disbanded parallel
> structures that were existing namely the Alexandra December 2012 ‘Regional
> Executive Committee’ and the Preparatory Committee formed on the 25th
> November 2012. The regional meeting resolved and encouraged all PAC members
> in Johannesburg to willing and committed to contribute in the
> re-organisation and rebuilding of the PAC to become active and adhere with
> the party constitution and disciplinary code. Members resolved that unity
> of party members is supreme to achieve a functional and focused PAC in
> Johannesburg region.
>
>
>
> On the 17th March 2013 members and branches further resolved:-
>
>
>
> · To embrace unity and to subject all party political work to be
> within the prescripts of PAC Ga-Matlala 2000 Constitution;
>
> · To form an inclusive and unifying Preparatory Committee that
> will coordinate and administer the regional activities towards the regional
> congress and other regional activities, supervised by the National
> Organiser;
>
> · An inclusive and unifying Johannesburg Regional Congress will
> be held on the 19th May 2013;
>
> · The regional congress shall be held as per the prescripts of
> the party constitution;
>
> · In April 2013, there will be a regional general meeting that
> should focus and deliberate on discussion documents that should focus the
> party members on programme, strategy and plan of actions including policy
> documents. Aims at formulating strategies that will aim at giving building
> the required internal organisational capabilities such that the assumes a
> mass based character including visibility of PAC in Johannesburg Region;
>
> · Members resolved that administration and coordination of PAC
> regional affairs should be based at based at Mansion House offices in
> Market Street;
>
> · All branches and members should ensure that they are in good
> standing as per the party constitution;
>
> · Branches and members should ensure they are paid up for the
> financial year starting 1st March 2013 ending 27/28 February 2014;
>
> · Branches should compile and update monthly membership registers
> as per the constitutional requirements;
>
> · If permissible branches should arrange political workshop on
> basic party constitutional matters and organisational matters;
>
> · Members also resolved not to attend the joint PAC-ANC Human
> Rights Day and opted for a PAC Sharpeville – Langa Massacre Commemoration
> which is being organised and will be joint by the New Black Panther Party,
> All African People Revolutionary Party (AAPRP) and ZANU PF. Also it is
> expected that AZAPO, SOPA and other formations and community based
> organisations will join the PAC in the Sharpeville and Langa Massacre
> Commemoration on the 21st March 2013.
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
>
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
>
>
>
>

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[PAYCO] Re: The Letter From the IEC- PAC - None Participation? IS this the end or beginning?

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

In Johannesburg Region and Gauteng Province, as PAC members we are
exploring ways and means to forge principled unity aiming to defactionalise
the Party-PAC. This has become a daunting necessary task we concluded it
can't be evaded; thus far as a PAC Gauteng Province we are making
significant steps forward. We have adopted a bottom-up approach premised on
democratic centralism to eradicate elitism and defactionalise the party,
this approach required us to organise an all inclusive regular regional
meetings whereat all members across all generations are informed and
encouraged; The same modus operandi is to be applied at a provincial
meetings to mobilise all members and branches to the provincial inclusive
unity consultative meetings, no-members is excluded from this process.
Since, a bottom-up approach is a membership centred and driven apporach
rooted on democratic centralism. As PAC members seeking principled unity,
we are pro- revolutionary PAC.

To reinstate the PAC Constitution and Discplinary Code, democratic
centralism governing the bottom-up approach has thus far proven to be the
effective strategy to forge principled unity and defactionalise the PAC.
Organise regular unity forging all inclusive inter-branch meetings in the
region and province, dissolve parallel structures create inclusive
committees accepted by all members, whose mandate will be to rally and
unite all PAC members and branches on the basis of the PAC founding basic
documents.

One can urge PAC members and cadres to rise above personalities and equally
explore viable and sustainable means to forge principled unity thus salvage
the PAC from complete annihilation.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 15 June 2016 at 15:17, Manelisi Mampana 
wrote:

> * PAC OLD GUARD*: "*OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE, JUST FADE AWAY"*
>
> You all love PAC once, not without a cause: " O JUDGEMENT! thou art fled
> to brutish beasts, And men have lost their reason bear with me" Marc
> Anthony
>
> The current pandemonium in PAC is as a result of denials', utter
> arrogance individualism and at best a menace of tyranny  of the* FIRTH
> Column mission.*
>
> When we made a call  *FOR  POLITICAL MEDIATION *we were avoiding the
> embarrassment and the implications that mighty happen if PAC people cannot
> resolve their affairs , after court battles for many years could not assist
> the party rather entrenching the cult /factional tendencies.
>
> The illustrious service by our founding fathers give us courage
> determination never to forsake PAC rather seek measure political to resolve
> our conflict. Our interest must be stated first crystal clear that *OUR
> INTREST IS THE ORGANISATION PAC nothing else .*
> *For these reason we went length and breath persuading/convincing all PAC
> people to take the route of POLITICAL MEDIATION between the "belligerents"
> called factions if only the damage to PAC would be understood these are"
> belligerents".*
>
> We have call upon to the old Guard of the party/veterans of the PAC to
> provide wisdom and guidance to Political Mediation between the"
> belligerents" for the damage is denying the future of a New Africa. Our
> call upon  the old VANGUARD against all odds We firmly believe in the
> saying" *OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE THEY JUST FADE AWAY*" *GEN:* *Macarthur*. We
> trusted, therefore, that the old guard will do justice of  calming the
> "belligerents" to consider the supreme sacrifices done by many
> patriots/cadres for PAC the custodian of Azanian Liberation. *The
> organizational interest which will eventually lead the National interest
> had been one purpose in our mind. The call for a POLITICAL MEDIATION WAS
> AND WILL STILL REMAIN ESSENTIAL TO A SOLUTION FOR PAC.*
> *No man or woman in his right state of mind who is PAC WOULD ADVOCATE THE
> CONTINUATION OF THE CURRENT STATUS QUO. Political Mediation could and would
> lead to new political decisions essential for the solution.*
>
> What advantage had been gained by these belligerents since it started? We
> have stated from the start that a Political Mediation with propose term of
> references is a solution the very prolonged indecisions coupled with
> arrogance limitation on the other side made PAC to be where it is today.
> Our organization is singing confusion individualism caught in the dark
> night of wolves and hyenas gone are the days of joy and ardent belief in
> PAC to lead us to liberation.
>
> The reservoirs of your wisdom can still give the Political Mediation a
> time and space to solve our conflict.
> *You trained us, you teach us, you show us the road, you prepared us you
> have done every good thing a genuine revolutionary could possible do to
> make sure the revolutionary spirit never dies.*
> * All your personal squabbles aside Call Political M*ediation  *WITH NO
> FAVOUR BUT FOR THE PAC.*
>
> *I remain one who see an opportunity in every calamity besetting PAC. I am
> the generation of the African Warriors who 

[PAYCO] Fwd: Corruption in South Africa Is A Major Obstacle and Has Reached A Tipping Point

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

. The challenges are enormous, but
the opportunity is there. This has been made possible, conversely, by the
greed and machinations of Capital itself -- as the bosses seek to reduce
American workers' pay, increase their hours, and slash their benefits, they
have themselves created a revolutionary situation.

Management is very aware of this situation, however -- which is why there
has been a proliferation of empowerment sessions and team-building
initiatives in companies, where they seek to buy off the workers they still
retain with union-style benefits without the unions. In other words, the
appearance of empowerment, versus actual workplace empowerment. This
masterful PR effort by management reveals the extent to which they'll go to
see unionism finally destroyed. Companies want workers to think they're on
the same team as their bosses, the way business unions believe. But it's a
lie, and always will be.

No amount of bogus empowerment conferences can change the static
environment in which workers operate -- where all initiative comes from
above, and where their pay continues to stagnate, and they are forced to
work longer hours in increasingly precarious jobs. Fear is what binds the
non-union workplace, just as solidarity is what holds together the union
shop.

Will this continue indefinitely? I don't believe it will. It can't, because
working people are being screwed right and left by management, no matter
how many happy faces they try to put on their schemes. It simply isn't part
of human nature to take it on the chin so many times without wanting to
take a few swings yourself. Big Business has had it coming for a long time
-- with the State behind them, they've grown arrogant with power, and think
they can grind people into the ground with impunity. This can't go on
forever.

The challenge for the revolutionary unionist is to adapt to these new
conditions and bring real improvements in the lives of workers. One thing
that killed revolutionary unionism in the past was the inability of such
unions to consistently bring real benefits to working people -- something
business unions could do in the form of contracts and pay increases. The
new revolutionary union will have to keep a focus on meat and potatoes
issues at the same time it focuses on actual radical unionizing efforts.

Business unionism is dead; it just doesn't know it yet. It will keep losing
as we move through this transitional period of the globalization of
Capital. Does this mean there's no hope for working folks? Not at all -- it
only means there is no middle ground between Labor and Capital -- a
position mistakenly occupied by the business unionists. It will mean that
the revolutionary union, so long considered a fossil of a bygone age, will
become the only possible avenue left for working people who want a real say
in what goes on in the workplace

Regards





*Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi*

*Researcher and Policy Analyst*

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RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Greeting friends and comrades!

 

“Never in history has any class achieved power without having political 
leaders, men capable of organising a movement and leading it” – Lenin. A cadre 
is a professional revolutionary, a qualified graduate in the art of revolution, 
from the purifying school of practical and ideological battles in defence of 
the poor and oppressed masses. None of us can refute that “the PAC has been 
slowly evaporating itself into total oblivion from the political radar”. We 
must note that these writings remain an exchange among us with access to Payco 
google group and worse of all are ignored by those leading the party who holds 
divergent ideas and methods responsible of the disintegration of the PAC, to 
reason with them has proven to be a futile exercise and thus delivered either 
sour fruits or nothing except maliciousness.  The only logical action, is those 
who uphold the necessity of a revolutionary Pan Africanist organisation and 
accept such bitter truths and willing to explore ways and means to (re-) build 
a revolutionary Pan Africanist Party should converge and execute the necessary 
mass based programme.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome
Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

 

Comrade Sebenzile,

I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade.

Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you and then to end differently? 
Since you are not here to engage in 'real time' I am now answering the 
foregoing question on your behalf. This I do in the knowledge that you are my 
Friend, and one of the finest of our generation.

The question is, have you not been a part of this slumber, self exaggeration 
and pity ? The immediate answer is that you have been. And in addition if you 
wish to contest this, what have you done to change this state? Was it enough 
and or sufficient? All these questions seem to leave you on weaker ground. 

Are you still willing to hear this my Friend ?

I thank you for allowing me to 'attack' you in this way without seeing my 
points as personal affront but an invitation to do more, and my sternest belief 
that you have what it takes to exert yourself more.

Revolution and change require more than just type-writer bravery and 
intelligence. 

It is for this reason that mediocre lead the gifted and talented comrades like 
you. 

The pain and task of leading a revolution and party building are much more 
excruciating than that.

Having said all of the above, to you my dear Friend, I here add my voice of 
praise to the validity that belies your submission. 

That question must occupy all of us, that is whether this vehicle can still 
carry this agenda, and whether it is not a wreckage from which we must isolate, 
extricate and advance the potent agenda contained therein. Signs are all that 
you are right, and on this one, very brave too, to have the guts to point this 
out. I do not have to remind you how Sobukwe was at some point like you, like 
you in that when the charterists ditched the Africanist program, and thus 
rendering themselves a wreckage, he and others were brave enough to say, let us 
pick the agenda away from this and find a vehicle to advance it. And they left 
a movement that was almost five decades old. That was brave. So we have to 
listen to you and to confront this question, and do an urgent assessment of 
whether the current vehicle is still a vehicle or a wreckage that is about to 
burn. And whether its immobility is a temporal state which can be fixed. If the 
latter is correct, I am sure there is extreme urgency. This view, the latter 
one, is getting weak by the day, as pitched against the reality of a vehicle 
that may have become a wreck.

So well done my dear Friend !!

Another thing that has been killing me inside is this:

Have we imagined the potential pain of putting everything aside to fight for a 
people and movement who in your darkest days or even so, in your dying days are 
nowhere to acknowledge your sacrifices. I speak here of the many Apla boys who 
were hanged and those who continue to suffer in and outside of jail. What about 
their mothers, brothers and children? All that sacrifice gone to waste ? 

The above really really kills me. 

You see Gadaffi died a good one, Che, Saddam, Lumumba, Kwame and many others. 
Their flame continues. What about the flame of these comrades and martyrs.

So in the light of the above, the neglect of those who suffered and the state 
of the party, this question that you raise is most poignant.

I have not even dealt with our participation in contemporary issues, and our 
ability to contend with the future. 

So I put up my hands again to clap in praise of your bravery.

This is my type writer support to your comments.

Izwe Lethu ! I-Afrika !

Matome Mashao

Sent from my BlackBerry®

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RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrila Malaza

 

Leon Trotsky, one of the leaders of the 1917 Russian revolution, summed up the 
reason in 1938 when he wrote: The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to 
the crisis of the revolutionary leadership (from The Transitional Programme, 
written for the founding congress of the Fourth International). These words are 
as true today as they were then. Trotsky, in his book The History of the 
Russian Revolution, wrote: Without a guiding organisation, the energy of the 
masses would dissipate like steam not enclosed in a piston box. But 
nevertheless, what moves things is not the piston or the box but the steam.

 

Discussion on the need for a revolutionary party and its form of organisation 
is very important today, especially as many young people regard themselves as 
‘anti-capitalist’ and are interested in socialist ideas including Pan 
Africanism, but have a degree of mistrust towards political parties which are 
consumed by bourgeoisie politics and sophistry of the African comprador 
bourgeoisie . This is hardly surprising given the bureaucratic and undemocratic 
methods of the main capitalist political parties and the attacks they make on 
living standards when in power.  

 

To be successful, insurrection must rely not upon conspiracy and not upon a 
party, but upon the advanced class. That is the first point. Insurrection must 
rely upon a revolutionary upsurge of the people. That is the second point. 
Insurrection must rely upon that turning-point in the history of the growing 
revolution when the activity of the advanced ranks of the people is at its 
height, and when the vacillations in the ranks of the enemy and in the ranks of 
the weak, half-hearted and irresolute friends of the revolution are strongest. 

 

Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without any restrictions. 
But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to expel 
members who use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of 
speech and the press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be 
complete too. I am bound to accord you, in the name of free speech, the full 
right to shout, lie and write to your heart’s content. But you are bound to 
grant me, in the name of freedom of association, the right to enter into, or 
withdraw from, association with people advocating this or that view. The party 
is a voluntary association, which would inevitably break up, first 
ideologically and then physically, if it did not cleanse itself of people 
advocating anti-party views.

 

“Victory will belong only to those who have faith in the people, those who are 
immersed in the life-giving spring of popular creativity” Lenin

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome
Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

 

Comrade Sebenzile,

I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade.

Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you and then to end differently? 
Since you are not here to engage in 'real time' I am now answering the 
foregoing question on your behalf. This I do in the knowledge that you are my 
Friend, and one of the finest of our generation.

The question is, have you not been a part of this slumber, self exaggeration 
and pity ? The immediate answer is that you have been. And in addition if you 
wish to contest this, what have you done to change this state? Was it enough 
and or sufficient? All these questions seem to leave you on weaker ground. 

Are you still willing to hear this my Friend ?

I thank you for allowing me to 'attack' you in this way without seeing my 
points as personal affront but an invitation to do more, and my sternest belief 
that you have what it takes to exert yourself more.

Revolution and change require more than just type-writer bravery and 
intelligence. 

It is for this reason that mediocre lead the gifted and talented comrades like 
you. 

The pain and task of leading a revolution and party building are much more 
excruciating than that.

Having said all of the above, to you my dear Friend, I here add my voice of 
praise to the validity that belies your submission. 

That question must occupy all of us, that is whether this vehicle can still 
carry this agenda, and whether it is not a wreckage from which we must isolate, 
extricate and advance the potent agenda contained therein. Signs are all that 
you are right, and on this one, very brave too, to have the guts to point this 
out. I do not have to remind you how Sobukwe was at some point like you, like 
you in that when the charterists ditched the Africanist program, and thus 
rendering themselves a wreckage, he and others were brave enough to say, let us 
pick the agenda away from this and find a vehicle to advance it. And they left 
a movement that was almost five decades old. That was brave. So we have to 
listen to you and to 

RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika Mdu

 

The question is what has been achieved thus far in the PAC, noting that every 
little work undertaken on ground to revive, re-organise and attempt to build a 
mass based political character for and in the PAC, such efforts are nullified 
by persisting internal feuding which cut deep and may be deeply rooted across 
all levels and structures of the party! There is a leadership that is committed 
on driving divisive and subjective agenda which are responsible for the 
continued disintegration of the PAC at the rate never seen before. 

 

During the epoch of the struggle waged against the settler colonial apartheid 
regime, PAC has to a larger extent withstood external attempts to destroy PAC 
but today failures of CIA, MOSSAD, MI5/10, NIA to sow divisions and destroy the 
PAC, but this has been achieved in less than five years single-handed destroyed 
systematically by organising to disorganise to disintegrate the PAC beyond 
extinction by sowing seeds of mistrust, infighting leading to divisions, 
confusion, absence of organisation.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mduduzi Sibeko
Sent: 28 January 2015 07:18 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO]

 

Comrades

 

It seems the discussions we had for years on this platform have disappeared.

It is not clear whether it is disillusionment or members have become weary of

Discussing issues for the PAC which doesn’t progress. The paralysis of the PAC

Is at its dangerous space than before. Little if nothing has been heard from 
the PAC after

Our poor electoral showings last year. Moreover, what compounds

Our ills is the leadership scuffles which don’t seem to end. Political vacuum

Exists in the context of oppositional politics. The populists EFF has not made 
any difference in challenging the

The ANC, I know some may think it has, due to its rhetoric of pay back the 
money politics in parliament.

The politics of Azania has been marred by anarchy in law making institutions. 
Where is PAC in leading the masses ?

Are we dead now ? please reply 

 

 

 

 

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Mduduzi Sibeko

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[PAYCO] PAC Johannesburg region Inter-Branch Meeting Outcomes

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greetings Sons and Daughters of the African Soil 

 

Be informed that the Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting held on the 6th 
December 2014 in Orlando East at White Church took key resolutions to unite 
party members and branches. PAC Johannesburg Region no longer has parallel 
structures, as PAC in Johannesburg region we have agreed to form a single 
inclusive Regional Coordinating Structure that has been mandated to drive party 
unity and reorganisation of PAC in Johannesburg. The 6th December 2014 meeting 
also adopted Regional programme of action and strategies to rebuild and 
re-organise the region.

 

Our collective task is to revive all branches and members, we aim to 
re-establish at least 30 branches and each branch having at least 300 members 
including forming all component structures particularly PASO, PASMA, PALF, 
APLAMVA and PAWO.   

 

The next Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting will be held on the 24th 
January 2015, time 10:00 -16:00, Place: Meadowlands Venue- KwaMahlobo Primary 
School, Zone 10. All PAC branches and members should attend, we will finalise 
the following:-

 

- Branches and Members Mobilisation and Organisation Report

- Veterans Regional Meeting Report

- Sobukwe (February) Month Planned Activities

- March 2015 Inclusive Regional Conference 

- Forming Regional Working Committees 

(namely Political Campaigns  Working Committee; Political Education Working 
Committee; Publicity and Information Working Committee;  Resources  Finance 
Mobilisation Working Committee. 

- Johannesburg Regional Offices  

 

For details contact members of the Regional Coordinating Structure.

 

Forward With Principled Party Unity!

 

Forward With African Unity  Socialism in Our Lifetime!

 

Shango lashu!   

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] PAC Johannesburg region Inter-Branch Meeting Outcomes

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greetings Sons and Daughters of the African Soil 

 

Be informed that the Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting held on the 6th 
December 2014 in Orlando East at White Church took key resolutions to unite 
party members and branches. PAC Johannesburg Region no longer has parallel 
structures, as PAC in Johannesburg region we have agreed to form a single 
inclusive Regional Coordinating Structure that has been mandated to drive party 
unity and reorganisation of PAC in Johannesburg. The 6th December 2014 meeting 
also adopted Regional programme of action and strategies to rebuild and 
re-organise the region.

 

Our collective task is to revive all branches and members, we aim to 
re-establish at least 30 branches and each branch having at least 300 members 
including forming all component structures particularly PASO, PASMA, PALF, 
APLAMVA and PAWO.   

 

The next Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting will be held on the 24th 
January 2015, time 10:00 -16:00, Place: Meadowlands Venue- KwaMahlobo Primary 
School, Zone 10. All PAC branches and members should attend, we will finalise 
the following:-

 

- Branches and Members Mobilisation and Organisation Report

- Veterans Regional Meeting Report

- Sobukwe (February) Month Planned Activities

- March 2015 Inclusive Regional Conference 

- Forming Regional Working Committees 

(namely Political Campaigns  Working Committee; Political Education Working 
Committee; Publicity and Information Working Committee;  Resources  Finance 
Mobilisation Working Committee. 

- Johannesburg Regional Offices  

 

For details contact members of the Regional Coordinating Structure.

 

Forward With Principled Party Unity!

 

Forward With African Unity  Socialism in Our Lifetime!

 

Shango lashu!   

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] Death Has Once More Deprived Us One of Our Own Seasoned and Finest Cadre

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Wed 2014/11/05 09:37 AM Please phone me when you get time new political
development we must discuss from Clarence Mayekiso.I called Cde Clarence
the following day, that is, on Thursday 06 November, we had a long chat
about the confusion within the party and failure of some our comrades
failing to appreciate to place conclusion of the Political Programme of
Action as the basis to unite i-party and advance its revolutionary Pan
Africanist Agenda to overthrow capitalism and white supremacy. 


We concluded to meet sometime in November in further explore concrete
actions to unite i-Party and advance its revolutionary Pan Africanist
Agenda. 

I got an sms which states that Cde Clarence Mayekiso has passed on, I
refused to believe and treated the sms as another political mischievous acts
for I personally spoke to Cde Clarence not long but three days back. After
thought, I called his workplace which confirmed that indeed former PASMA
Secretary General Cde Clarence Mayekiso has passed on, he collapsed. 

Death Has Once More Deprived Us One of Our Own Seasoned and Finest Cadre:
Former PASMA Secretary General Clarence (Hadebe) Mayekiso
Ni yi sibane sethu maqhawe ase-Azania. . .(singing)

 Shango lashu!
Nkrumah

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RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Masoga

I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi, formed part of the meeting reported by Cde Linda 
Ndebele, all comrades who attended the meeting on the 15th October 2014 are PAC 
members in as far as I recalled none of them were expelled nor terminated their 
PAC membership. However, who attended the meeting is immaterial what is 
substantive is to arrest the disintegration of the PAC by feuds and self 
selving individuals pursuing rightist political line. 

The most basic and straightforward aspect that must be addressed  and agreed to 
is:-

1. Unity of PAC branches and members for the seizure of state political power 
and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy;
2. We need a mediation team to facilitate dissolution of parallel structures 
across the country and organisation of an inclusive national conference of PAC;
3. To form a Programme of Action Team which will undertake to develop a 
political Programme of Action to advance and establish an Africanist Socialist 
Democracy;
4. Any person against unity of PAC members must be denounced by PAC Branches 
and members;

Cde Masoga, you either agree with the above four (4) points or not! Please do 
not play the person by avoiding the ball. The continuing disunity in the PAC is 
heavely undermining execution of the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto and this 
must be stopped, PAC Must Rise To Lead And To Govern Azaia!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 
-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mphiri Masoga
Sent: 27 October 2014 11:59 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme


Good Morning Linda 

Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting  where were the current 
Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that 
meeting?

As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the 
organisation and or are operating outside party fold.   

What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or 
grouping?

 Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, 
on what capacity are you writing   
kind Regards, 

Mphiri Masoga
SACWU PTA
Tel : 012 320 6472
Fax : 012 320 2179
Fax2Email: 0862254254
Cell : 0731822656

-Original Message-
From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

Revolutionary greetings,
 
To all PAC members and structures:
 
After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC 
groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past 
Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and 
radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We 
resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's 
faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope 
at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday 
meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco 
Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key 
resolutions taken include the following:
 
1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2.To 
form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist 
Democracy 3.To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the 
three feuding factions 4.Call for the convening of an All 
Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent 
team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National 
Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of 
an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the three 
purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6.   
 Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans
   
 
In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join 
us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical 
revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive 
resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. 
It is a call not to be missed !!
 
Linda K Ndebele
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RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Percy

In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried 
within your own question because of the following anormalies that occurred, 
without being dragged and drawn into internal feuding details, what is 
confronting us is the forward movement of the PAC. Hence, we posit before all 
members that it is imminent that PAC branches and members denounce anyone 
advocating Anti-Unity, secondly we urge all PAC branches and members to unite 
on the basis of a Programme of Action for the Seizure of State Political Power 
to Advance and Establish the Africanist Socialist Democracy! Hence we urge and 
appeal with all PAC Branches and members to organise inclusive regional and 
provincial conferences as we engage the three (3) feuding NECs to unite on the 
basis of Programme of Action! 

Rena Ga Re Nyake Ditshele, Re Nyaka Revolution!

Shnago Lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgaudi   

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy 
motswaledi
Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

Good Day MoAfrika Linda

its Lion of Azania Here
Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want 
us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this 
time i am sure one covers his failures and its a petty that people look at 
their stomach and forget about the Broather Movement, From me, The Meeting that 
discuss the revaival of PAC is Relevant that to interogate the status od the 
Meeting, i have a quetion YOU all, Who is PAc president and what is he doing to 
build the Party,if he is doing some thing, where is he doing it, that man he is 
Invisible and we wand Visibility.

Now my suggestion is Stop Harassing the Frastrated Africans and Champion real 
challenges affecting p[eople and Start with Ebola



On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 + Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com wrote

 Good Morning Linda
 
 Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting  where were 
 the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former 
 Presidents of that meeting?

 As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left
 the organisation and or are operating outside party fold.

 What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction
 or grouping? 

  Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your
 correspondence, on what capacity are you writingkind Regards, 
 
 Mphiri Masoga
 SACWU PTA
 Tel : 012 320 6472
 Fax : 012 320 2179
 Fax2Email: 0862254254
 Cell : 0731822656
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
 Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09
 To: payco@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
 
 Revolutionary greetings,
  
 To all PAC members and structures:
  
 After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC 
 groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this 
 past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to 
 correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic 
 liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring 
 solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity 
 challenges. The meeting widens in
scope
 at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The 
 Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by 
 former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading 
 PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following:
 1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2.
 To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist 
 Socialist Democracy 3.
 To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding 
 factions 4.Call for the convening of an All Inclusive 
 Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent 
 team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a 
 National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and 
 establishment
of
 an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the 
 three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 
 6.Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and 
 veterans
  
 In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members 
 to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a 
 radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the 
 aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as 
 the principal means. It is a call not to be missed !!
 Linda K Ndebele
 Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
 
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[PAYCO] RE: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

The statement that “It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within 
the very same group that sent this email” by  Cde Mvakali is 100% correct, the 
contents of the letter are disgusting  and amount to total disgrace. No sane 
PAC member nor a self- respecting PAC leader can support nor defend such 
none-sense of a letter, which amounts to some form of a smear campaign! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mapula Nkoana [mailto:mapulankoan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2014 08:17 PM
To: Nkrumah Kgagudi
Subject: Fwd: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

 

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Date: 13 Oct 2014 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP
To: Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za
Cc: trea...@pac.org.za, s...@pac.org.za, phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com, 
goqwana.san...@gmail.com, billiard.s...@gmail.com, 
joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com, miles.ndl...@yahoo.com, jntab...@gmail.com, 
bulanng...@gmail.com, mrfihl...@gmail.com, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, 
i...@bataufc.com, takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, Cape 
paccapeme...@webmail.co.za, nngq...@gmail.com, smollzo...@gmail.com, 
Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.za, lesibajlekgoa...@gmail.com, 
dud...@webmail.co.za, nationalorgani...@pac.org.za, 
nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com, d...@pac.org.za, nnyq...@gmail.com, 
richardma...@yahoo.com, public...@pac.org.za, wgaj...@gmail.com, 
mapulankoan...@gmail.com, presid...@pac.org.za, 
isaa...@diplomat-global.com, deputypresid...@pac.org.za



Izwe lethu. It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within the 
very same group that sent this email. Why stoop so low to issue such nonsense 
in Pac letter from the Pac HQ. Instead of sending conference minutes and 
resolutions, minutes of nec meetings that we never have since jesus died, you 
have a nerve to further to do this? Haai maan Stop this foolish acts in the 
name of the Pac. 

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

  _  

From: justice mvakali mvakalijust...@gmail.com 

Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:10:30 +0200

To: Admin @ Pacad...@pac.org.za

Cc: trea...@pac.org.za; s...@pac.org.za; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; 
goqwana.san...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; 
joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 
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i...@bataufc.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
Capepaccapeme...@webmail.co.za; nngq...@gmail.com; smollzo...@gmail.com; 
Mohlomphegi Mphahlelemphah...@eskom.co.za; lesibajlekgoa...@gmail.com; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; nationalorgani...@pac.org.za; 
nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; d...@pac.org.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; public...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; 
mapulankoan...@gmail.com; presid...@pac.org.za; 
isaa...@diplomat-global.com; deputypresid...@pac.org.za

Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

 

Mnxa why this letter is not signed. You now using party letter for this 
nonsense. You wont destroy this party who ever wrote this kak

On 13 Oct 2014 5:02 PM, Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za wrote:

Good day 

 

Please find the attached for your attention.

 

Regards

PAC of Azania

Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11

Fax : 086 527 0380

Email : ad...@pac.org.za

Website: www.pac.org.za

 

A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM

 

 

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[PAYCO] Determing A Good Standing Branch

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

Determining a Good Standing Branch! 

Izwe lethu

 

During the Leadership Development Workshop held on the 11th October 2014, 
attended by 7 Branch Executive Committees coming from Johannesburg Region plus 
PASO members and Eastrand/ Ekhuruleni Regional Executive Committee member, the 
constitutional interpretation and application of the concept-principle 
member(s) in Good Standing and/or branch(es) in Good Standing lost its full 
comprehensive meaning and content. And this largely, furthermore explains some 
of the political and organisational problems facing the party.

 

The incorrect thus incomplete interpretation and application of the principle 
Good Standing has been reduced to narrowly imply :-

• A member in good standing has been understood and applied as meaning a paid 
up member from a launched branch with at least 20 paid members; 

• and a branch in good standing meant which had its Annual General and with 20 
plus paid up members having an elected Branch Executive Committee;

 

This (above) interpretation is incomplete since it focus narrowly on selected 
few clauses which are mainly administrative and partly organisational, but this 
interpretation ignored the political requirements to define and describe a Good 
Standing Branch and a Good Standing Member. Section 20.1 until 20.3 provide 
almost eight requirements which further provides a description of what 
constitutes a PAC branch constitutionally for a branch to politically qualify 
and meet the first part to be a Good Standing Branch! These eight requirement 
are well described and stated in section 

 

Political Component and Elements:-

 


Clause No.

 

Applicable Constitutional Requirement-Prescripts


20.1

1.   

Carry organizational work amongst the masses


2.   

Carry educational work amongst the masses


3.   

Acquaint them with the aims and objects, policies and programmes of the 
organization


20.2

4.   

Keep (continuous and constant) close contact with the masses and 


5.   

Provide continual leadership and guidance to the oppressed people in area


20.3

6.   

Foster the spirit of initiative among the people


7.   

Take the leading part in organizing the masses to solve problem in the area.


8.   

Organise the masses to solve their problems in the area

  

 

Therefore, a branch can be deemed as a Good Standing branch because it fully 
complies with clause 20.1 until 20.3, its (branch) activities which serves as 
evidence to demonstrate and proof that the branch’ political mandates as per 
clause 20.1 until 20.3 had been carried out. The above diagram should also be 
understood within the context that the PAC considers a branch as a basic 
building block whose primary purpose of existence is to propagate the Aims and 
Objectives of the PAC among the masses and also execute strategies which 
enables the PAC though the branch to exist and operate within and among the 
labouring African majority. Therefore, a branch is a party's political organ 
for mass mobilisation and mass agitation, therefore a Good Standing Branch is a 
branch which fully carries and execute the party's political mandate as per 
clause 20.1 until clause 20.3. 

 

I will share the other components of determining a Good Standing Branch of PAC 
as the days unfolds!

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

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[PAYCO] FW: WWMP E-Newsletter 26 September 2014/Workers World weekly labour show on SAFM this week and more labour news

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

 

From: Workers' World Media Productions 
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Subject: WWMP E-Newsletter 26 September 2014/Workers World weekly labour show 
on SAFM this week and more labour news

 






  
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E-NEWS BULLETIN FRIDAY 26 SEPTEMBER 2014
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We look at the extension of bargaining council agreements. Over the past 
several years there have been objections to this practice by certain employers, 
particularly small businesses who view it as unfair and harmful to them. 

GUESTS
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2. Leon Louw - Executive Director; Free Market Foundation

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US police get anti terror training in Israel on privately funded trips
By ALI WINSTON
 

The clouds of tear gas, flurries of projectiles and images of police officers 
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concerns about the militarization of domestic law enforcement in the United 
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The Israeli offensive on Gaza caused full or partial damages to 75 
kindergartens and day-care centers

The Democracy and Workers’ Rights Center field teams have documented full or 
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violations
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In the early hours of Saturday morning, September 20th, activists from nearly a 
dozen organizations converged at the entrance way to the Port of Tampa to 
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Lipman visits South African Parliament 
By GILL HOFFMAN

Yesh Atid MK Dov Lipman became the first member of Knesset to visit the South 
African Parliament in more than five years over the weekend.
 

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RE: [PAYCO] Our generation failed by a generation that has made its mark!

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

. (Leadership of the party is kept away by those of the generation that 
has made its mark).
3. Our generation stands to go down in history as the most useless generation 
that never made a mark in the struggle to liberate our people.

We concluded that we will not allow this to continue. We want to play our 
historic duty in the liberation struggle of our people and continent. We will 
do this within the PAC but if PAC cannot assist us to do so we will go out and 
make our mark elsewhere.

We are driven by a desire to make our mark in history.

Izwe lethu!

Linda Kwame Ndebele

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

  _  

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com 

Sender: payco@googlegroups.com 

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:05:02 +0200

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Raymond'mrfihl...@gmail.com

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Izwe lethu 

 

Thanks Bra Mike, “Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and 
you shall be a strong Party”

 

Izwe lethu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

I Choose no-one, however all PAC members as comrades in struggle for the 
African Emancipation!

 

From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM
To: 'Mbulelo Raymond'; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi'
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu 

 

Thanks Bra Mike, “Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and 
you shall be a strong Party”

 

Izwe lethu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

I Choose no-one, however all PAC members as comrades in struggle for the 
African Emancipation!

 

From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM
To: 'Mbulelo Raymond'; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi'
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute, quality or tendency to another person, you 
do that because you possess that trait, attribute, quality or tendency 
yourself, otherwise how would you recognise it in others?”

 

Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a 
strong Party.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

 

Ngila Muendane.

 

From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:15 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

M'Afrika Nkrumah please poqo I am begging you, let us leave this matter because 
it adds no value to the future of the PAC. 

FIHLA

On 11 Sep 2014 6:59 PM, Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

Conrade Fihla

You are deliberately distorting everything I wrote and argued. It is evident 
you are personalising issues and also driving a character assasination. You 
have dismally failed to prove your claims that I did

[PAYCO] Announcement Death of My Father

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Kindly be informed that on 9th September 2014, I lost my father David Puleng 
“Bra Rocky” Kgagudi aged 85 years old. He was admitted at the George Mkhari 
Hospital a week before and that’s where has passed on early morning of the 09th 
September 2014.  

 

The Funeral will be held on the 20th September 2014, time 07:00-09:00 at House 
Number 2891 Block L, Soshanguve (in Pretoria); at 09:00 he will depart to his 
final resting place Selborne Cemetery which will be few kilometres from the 
burial site of his grand mother Deacon Mokgadi Mokone of the AME Church. 

 

Mokgapa' Mogolo o Wele, Beng Mabu -Mmina Noko, o ile!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM
To: 'Mbulelo Raymond'; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi'
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute, quality or tendency to another person, you 
do that because you possess that trait, attribute, quality or tendency 
yourself, otherwise how would you recognise it in others?”

 

Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a 
strong Party.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

 

Ngila Muendane.

 

From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:15 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; 
joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; jntab...@gmail.com; 
m...@soultalk.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
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pacmogalec...@gmail.com; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; 
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

M'Afrika

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Fihla

 

You are reading wrongly and once more fail to grasp the essence of the argument 
advanced, the earlier statement is premised from the following argument ““I 
strongly believe that  in as much as Cde Letlapa, Cde Mpethi and Cde Moloto, 
might  have made serious political blunders/errors, they cannot be  made to be 
100% liable for the entire divisions and feuding  thus factionalism in the PAC” 
Secondly, the e-mail argues that and points that “Surely comrades, neither Cde 
Letlapa nor Cde Mpethi nor Cde  Moloto is stopping your branches and members to 
picket and  organise mass protests demanding the immediate release of  all the 
imprisoned APLA comrades (for an example)”.

 

But Cde Fihla, you made claims that I did nothing about the imprisoned APLA 
comrades, I refuted those claims by providing you with a brief account of 
actions I have been part of demanding the release of incarcerated APLA 
comrades. Cde Dumisani Zwane furthermore attached complimentary evidence to 
refute the claims you advanced.  Your sweeping conjecture that I know nothing 
and did nothing about the arrested APLA Comrades, I advanced a direct challenge 
to you to prove your claims.  

 

Kindly note that, it’s not alien in knowledge acquisition process to formulate 
a conjecture or an assumption (hypothesis) which is either affirmed or 
nullified by empirical evidence. And let’s suppose I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi I 
did nothing as Cde Fihla claims and insists, does this mean PAC branches and 
members should not ask questions about imprisoned APLA comrades. And surely, we 
cannot prescribe how questions should be asked, as long as assumptions are not 
personal attacks nor do not personalise issues?  

 

Secondly, you opted to launch a personal and sought to personalise the issue 
when no one raised a direct reference to Cde Fihla as a person/individual. The 
issue is what has being done by  APLAMVA as a structure/ component structures 
in regards to the incarcerated APLA Comrades and this goes to an extent of 
questioning the political role and purpose of APLAMVA in the context of PAC’s  
Aims and Objective. If the two parallel existing APLAMVA have organisational 
plans and strategies, then let them be shared with PAC branches and members to 
dismiss and refute the following statement   we have imprisoned former APLA 
combatants,  no action is taken to demand the release of incarcerated APLA 
combatants, empirically disapprove this statement you consider as “unfounded 
sweeping statements based on conjecture”. 

 

Remember, I sat at the NEC led by Cde Mogoba prior Tompi Seleke in 2000 and 
even after Tompi Seleke, I also served in the NEC of under Cde Pheko including 
the 2006 – until the Decree NEC of Cde Letlapa, there has been no programme nor 
report presented by APLAMVA in regards to a campaign demanding the release of 
imprisoned APLA comrades. We know of individual PAC Comrades such M’Afrika 
Sombu and M’Afrika Pheko who had always made efforts and rallied various NECs 
and component structures and members of PAC in regard to the plight of 
imprisoned APLA comrades. Hence the argument None of the two existing APLAMVA 
NEC s have been seen in action demanding the immediate  release of these 
comrades. But today, APLAMVA NEC comrades have a moral ground to point finger 
and identify failures of the PAC NEC members. I find the extent of most 
comrades as being hypocrites. To make things worse, APLA is split into two 
feuding comrades, the questions is does this APLAMVA split contribute or impact 
in the PAC! 

 

Do not be personal when addressing this issues, let’s try to be objective and 
constructive Comrade Fihla! Personalising issues commonly defeats a debate and 
inquisition to have a better understanding. Lastly, I do accept your invite and 
as long as it’s not a piecemeal approach however a Plan of Action that seeks to 
Demand the Release Imprisoned APLA Fighters!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  

 

 

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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Masoga

 

Do not personalise the issues raised by attack me in person address issues 
raised directly. If there is justification to attend Bloemfontein September 
National Conference constructively share with us and persuade to attend! We 
have presented a political case that drawing from Birchwood and other events 
that instead of unity of PAC, we have seen Birchwood 2013 Conference deepening 
divisions and the high rate of disintegration of PAC! Hence, any parallel 
structure organising parallel events solidifies internal party  feuding, 
factionalism therefore disintegration of the PAC. 

 

First aspect I am a paid up PAC member belonging to a branch; 

Secondly aspect, This is an open campaign against events which aims to further 
divisions and the disintegration of the PAC, like Birchwood 2013 Conference; 

Thirdly aspect, we must seek to re-mobilise all PAC members and branches under 
one roof, if former PAC comrades who formed PAM agree to return to PAC and form 
part of the process to rebuild and re-organise PAC, why should they be excluded?

Fourth aspect, the Boycott the Bloemfontein Conference aims at defeating 
factionalism and mobilise PAC branches and members to an inclusive unifying 
national conference of PAC;

Fifth aspect, I have not condemn any comrades who advocates any differing view, 
if there is please specify his/her name!  

Sixth aspect, We encourage and mobilise PAC branches and members to start 
unification process by organising inclusive regional and provincial meetings to 
defeat factionalism and disunity!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 


Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo 

Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within 
your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. 

Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - 
build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme 
that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist 
perspective.

I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is 
the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left 
PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered 
Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor 
when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and 
on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left 
PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active.

Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, 
it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by 
condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not 
necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters Boycott Conference. 

We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us.
Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. 

IAfrika 

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Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI]

 and 
its component structures. I never see such a big organization moving entirely 
backwards while having a lot of intelligent comrades. Seemingly we will spend 
another 20 years revolving in courts struggles and character assassination 
programs. Let us say somebody recommends what needs to be done, Who is that 
body? Are we going to listen to that somebody? How long are we going to listen 
as PAC members?  All what we spend time doing is to check who says what and we 
attack. 

The main issue here is not the party objective but personal objectives that 
have clouded the PAC Program. Super views which could have fixed the PAC were 
long cast out and thrown out of the table and nothing is learned by us as 
members. Mphahlele is out but the problem is still there in the PAC, now 
recently Mphethi is out but there is still a problem. What I can conclude now 
is that maybe all of us need to be out of PAC to allow PAC to grow, who else 
must be out of PAC for PAC to get it right? 


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On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

M’Afrika 
 
I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given 
the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late 
as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC 
branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an 
illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has 
disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without being 
questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are 
facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO! 
  
 
PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a 
quorum for it has split into three unequal and  non-quorating parts! 
According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has 
been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By 
Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde 
Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally 
suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling 
each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an 
inclusive national conference. 
 
There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to 
factional feuding and weakening of the PAC! 
 
This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive 
national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and 
organisational solution. 
 
Shango lashu 
 
Nkrumah  
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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
 
Cde Kutie
  
It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members 
for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the 
people they serve out there. Let me assure you pretending there is no  need 
to have an elected NEC organising a conference and rather preferring an 
individual to do so and who think he is everything can only be accepted by 
you and others. Leaders who grew in this party and with long service should 
have known

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Our understanding of practical actions that must be undertaken to salvage PAC 
implies that we should forge principled unity by identifying and drawing all 
those who held and continue to hold PAC membership into one political roof. 
What will be the rational of excluding former PAC members who formed PAM? If 
Comrades were keen to draw Don Mattera, Pitiki ka Ntuli and some leaders who 
publicly resigned from PAC active politics and leadership roles, why exclude 
PAC?  

 

Shangu lashu

Nkrumah   

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

 

Is PAM involved in PAC matters? I do not agree with this one.

On 05 Sep 2014 2:37 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM!

 

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Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

 

Comrades,

The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If 
we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend 
the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop 
this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour.

The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we 
achieve what we seek to achieve.

This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting 
PAC aback.

Izwe lethu! 

Linda

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Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC 
to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that 
include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to 
be supportive and come on board.

As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on 
the Mediation Team and Plan of Action.

Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to 
ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on 
board.

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote:

Comrades,

The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the 
mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole 
exercise

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

)
- June 2015
*   electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress)  
 - Dec  2015 

This can only work if we can be practical . . .

iAfrika

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com

M’Afrika

 

Comrade Linda, Comrade  and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action, 
are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an 
open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by 
Cde Linda?  We must bring into one pot all initiatives to create one common 
action plan to salvage the PAC!

 

The disintegration of PAC must be arrested!

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

On 2014-09-04 11:18, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote:

Inkathazo abaselulawulweni bathi ayikho ingxaki . . .noba izibonakalela nje !

The two calls you mentioned are supported by many of us . . .what is needed 
though is to ensure that this call is endorsed and supported by our structures 
where we belong and those structures has to be open about that. . .Let our 
structures in our branches, regions and provinces come out to officially 
pronounce and demand that to be done.

It is our duty in all our regions to mobilize structures into this call and 
those structures can take a particular stance . . .in doing so we ought to 
understand that not everyone nor every structure will agree, it is the 
challenge that we have to deal with to ensure that the majority of structures 
in our regions buys into this call then that can be the official branch, 
regional and provincial position supported by the majority branches.

Anything less than the majority support for this call is the prolonged chaos as 
we see. . .

The mobilization of structures into this call needs leadership, we need to give 
that leadership on the ground otherwise lets forget we will forever talk with 
no progress.

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-04 10:54, Linda Ndebele wrote:

Greetings comrades,
Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a 
denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all 
is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they 
accept that the party is getting weaker each day under their guard. Those who 
are outside of power, we hold a view that the party is in crisis, we don't 
blame ourselves but those in power. In isizulu we say Inkombankombane, lowo 
nalowo uvikela ihlo lakhe.
What makes one not to see the light at the end of the tunnel, is that out of 
all these discussions we hardly find a convergence point in terms of the 
wayforward. Neither side presents any concrete plan and steps to rescue the 
party from the quagmire it finds itself. There has been two interesting calls 
made that have not been entertained to this end. 1. The holding of an 
all-inclusive Conference (whose aim would be to reconcile different factions, 
look at the state of the party and devise strategies and decisions that can 
resuscitate the PAC) 2. The call for a National Programme of Action (whose 
purpose would be to marshal our efforts and gear PAC for state power).
I am quite certain comrades that hailing insults to each other and refusing to 
take collective responsibility to the current state of the party will not help 
our movement anyhow but will continue to discourage and demoralize our die-hard 
members and drive in droves young supporters to EFF and other political parties.
Leaders who must take PAC forward are those who are prepared to take ownership 
to the mess PAC find itself and invite all to assist in cleaning up our 
movement. We need leaders who would be hands-on, selfless and who can rise 
above the problem.
I believe PAC can be rescued only if we accept that we are in crisis, we all 
contributed to it and we need everybody's shoulder on the deck to get our 
movement out of this mess.
Izwe lethu!
Linda Kwame Ndebele 

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RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b.Mediation team should furthermore engage PAC comrades who formed PAM to 
return (added).

c.Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

d.The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

e.All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

f. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

g.Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

h.Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national 
conference and national congress of PAC;

i.  Thus inclusive conference should be in reality inclusive and unifying 
based on principles and programme of action!

 

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

Shango lashu 

 

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tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla 
goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; 
kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; 
legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; 
nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Comrades

 

Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a 
way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out 
to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the 
SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. 
The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out 
of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. 
In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which 
means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can 
salvage any unwarranted situation.

 

When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows 
forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a 
front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think 
that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU 
because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. 

 

Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. 

 

 

 

On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

f.   Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive 
national conference and national congress of PAC;

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Siya

 

Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two 
parallel structures for example! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

The first step then zinkokheli,

Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all 
provinces; that meeting will agree on

*   unification strategy and mediation

that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all 
proposals as you suggest them and identification of the

*   mediation team

Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to 
sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue 
and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 
2014]

On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file 
to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this 
process.

Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' 
(trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. 

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

f.   Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive 
national conference and national congress of PAC;

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; 
znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi
Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

Izwe Lethu Cdes.

 

I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process 
faster is the following;

 

1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or 
under a very matured mediation team.

2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to 
did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Shango lashu

 

It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive 
of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be 
extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should 
primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, 
thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation 
Team with clear time lines.

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 
dumisani...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

Poqo,

I mean all leaders  . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures.

Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the 
authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that 
we all know. They have branches that they service . . .

That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures.

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Cde Siya

 

Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two 
parallel structures for example! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

The first step then zinkokheli,

Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all 
provinces; that meeting will agree on

*   unification strategy and mediation

that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all 
proposals as you suggest them and identification of the

*   mediation team

Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to 
sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue 
and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 
2014]

On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file 
to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this 
process.

Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' 
(trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. 

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012

RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Linda

 

You summation is crystal clear 1 Mediation, 2 National Programme of Action and 
3 All Inclusive Conference, 100% agreed. It will be encouraging to hear views 
of other PAC members around these three broad issues! 

 

We must address the following:- Venue and Place, Dates and Time, and Convener!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda 
Ndebele
Sent: 05 September 2014 12:33 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; 
nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula 
Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; 
river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; 
p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; 
pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Comrades,

From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious 
Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues:

1. Mediation
2. National Programme of Action, and
3. All-Inclusive National Conference.

If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, 
let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan.

Izwe lethu!

Linda

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

  _  

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com 

Sender: payco@googlegroups.com 

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:06:46 +0200

To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za

ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com 

Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; 
d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; 
nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 
'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david 
mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; 
river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; 
p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; 
pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; 
pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla 
goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; 
celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton 
Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com; paroot...@yahoo.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'vemahla...@gmail.com; 
ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com

Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Shango lashu

 

It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive 
of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be 
extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should 
primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, 
thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation 
Team with clear time lines.

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out 
to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the 
SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. 
The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out 
of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. 
In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which 
means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can 
salvage any unwarranted situation.

 

When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows 
forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a 
front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think 
that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU 
because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. 

 

Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. 

 

 

 

On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

f.   Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive 
national conference and national congress of PAC;

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; 
znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi
Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

Izwe Lethu Cdes.

 

I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process 
faster is the following;

 

1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or 
under a very matured mediation team.

2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to 
did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process 
to hand over the party to the members.

3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases.

4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a 
gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an 
earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left..

5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell 
those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the 
process as we see it.

6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary 
General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline, 
parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted 
except for aspects which maybe divisive.

7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with 
all administrative matters needed for a successful congress.

 

Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity 
issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future 
leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important 
positions that requires a highly matured future leadership.

 

Izwe Lethu

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'AFrika Masoga

 

Kindly share with us the purpose and objective of this National Caucus and
the agenda, such that we can sensitise comrades about it. Is this the first
meeting or not, if there was another meeting kindly share the minutes or
outcomes. We will form part on any initiative openly and sincerely organised
to resolve the paralyses PAC finds itself.  

 

Reality is that the centre has collapsed and constitutionally non-existing,
it is for PAC branches and members to explore constructive and principled
means to re-organise and salvage the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 


Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo 

PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of
this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. 

It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself
does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions
then they are Factions. 

My observation is that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining
Table which hamper progress in the PAC. 

Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself
today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC
though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find
the PAC people wants. 

Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and
Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where
people can air their views and put their positions across so that the
strongest Argument Wins.

Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any
grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this
situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we
need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the
process of healing and uniting forces. 

SSS 

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 

M'Afrika Masoga

 

Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial
meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national
caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening
factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise
and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings!


 

The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of
time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen
the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator
that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 people and
suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough
luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like
claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has
developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak
revolutionary theory to say the least.

 

There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that
is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious
about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception
it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office
President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a
revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al
what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply
see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100
years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation,
disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of
party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will
remain the same.

 

Izwe Lethu!

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you
raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from
complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. 

Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 


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Izwe Lethu



Please find the attached for your attention.

Pass the message to other structure and members.



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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Comrade Zondo

 

Your statement makes sense but you are dishonest. Cde Moloto has been paying 
for yourself and Eddie Mfulwane to attend NEC meetings and support his 
positions as far back as 11 May 2013. Your PAYCO is not driving any PAC 
Programmes among the youths in the country buts has been a voting cattle for 
Moloto NEC Grouping. Some of your youths members like Eddie Mfulwane, Justice 
Digashu and others are paid by Moloto to do what Moloto seeks from PAYCO. PYACO 
has no provincial, regional structures across the country with only handful few 
branches. 

 

We know radical and revolutionary AZANYU

 

As PAYCO you have no youth programmes to mobilise and challenge the dominance 
of the ANCYL, DA Youth Organisation is doing far much better. Remember, PASMA 
collapsed under your leadership with Eddie Mfulwane, now PAYCO will be written 
off! PAC with all its mistakes and weaknesses, we used to pride ourselves about 
militant and revolutionary AZANYU, PASO and PASMA leadership and membership 
which was ideologically sound and politically sharp but today PAYCO has become 
a shame. 

 

You are leading PAYCO and a small pocket size trade union? All this is just a 
money making scheme, typical of lumpens.

 

Withdraw yourself from being scrop-lappie of some moneyed people in PAC and 
focus on uniting and building PAYCO. Organise meetings and pursued Mpasha 
Pitso. Your Madadeni congress mandated that end of 2013 PAYCO must have an 
youth conference remain unfulfilled!

 

PAC did not have youth during national elections because PAYCO only exists to 
vote during and at Moloto NEC meetings.

 

Izwe lethu

Ndima 

 

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

M’Afrika 

 

I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the 
rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it 
might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches 
and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an illusion that 
all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has disintegrated and cannot 
execute any constitutional roles without being questioned, there are three NEC 
groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are facing parallel structures across 
the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO!  

 

PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a 
quorum for it has split into three unequal and  non-quorating parts! According 
to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has been suspended 
and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By Cde Letlapa and 
now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde Mpethi has also

RE: [PAYCO] Clause 14 (b) has to be scrapped

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

14 (b) is a microcosm of the deep ideological and organisational problem
facing the party, therefore scrapping 14 (b) is not necessarily a solution.
The core problem is mainly the character and form of leadership as a party
we have from national to regional including branch level, and the reversal
of this perspective is that leadership has become a reflection of the
quality membership of PAC today! The beauty of roses reflect both the type
of the plant and roots including soil! If the roots can't penetrate the soil
to absorb desired nutrients then one should not expect colourful roses! 


To resolve the leadership problem in the medium to long term, we must
qualitatively improve and grow the party membership!  To change the
government by ballot or bullet, you must win the masses over politically
through mass work and constant political education! The same logic applies
internally to the party!

Kind regards
Nkrumah

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Subject: [PAYCO] Clause 14 (b) has to be scrapped

Greetings!

One of the things I will be lobbying for is the scrapping of Clause 14 (b)
in the PAC constitution. This Clause has complicated the state of the party.
It has been abused and manipulated to destroy the party.

What's your take comrades.

Izwe lethu!


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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance
the struggle?

Comrade Linda

The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the
silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by
persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line
ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC
along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based
revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the
African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and
white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character.  

The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to
subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves
as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the
freedom fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government
that must be supported. 

Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought,
hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that 
Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage
by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep
them tools for their cause. It is the money'ed group which we opted to
describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully
captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its

RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle?

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Linda

The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the
silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by
persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line
ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC
along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based
revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the
African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and
white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character.  

The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to
subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves
as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the
freedom fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government
that must be supported. 

Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought,
hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that 
Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage
by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep
them tools for their cause. It is the money'ed group which we opted to
describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully
captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its current state
of political and organisational disintegration aiming to destroy and kill
from PAC's organisational practices the existence and presence of
revolutionary practices. The ideological decay and the political rot thus
organisational disintegration has unfortunately being cascaded to across all
party structures including component structures, hence parallel structures.
Equally, the very same comprador bourgeoisie are redefining the PAC to
become an African nationalist capitalist political formation which will
argue good governance slogan as is the case with other neo-liberal political
parties. 

Constitutionally PAC has no NEC! Thus no-one and no group can claim to be
constitutionally a PAC NEC!

All the conferences organised by the now two feuding NEC groupings, namely
Moloto's NEC grouping is organising September 2014 Conference while Mpthi
NEC Grouping is organising December 2014 Conference, these conferences aims
at consolidating factional group's interests than forging principled unity
of PAC members and branches, hence our view that PAC branches and members
should denounce such events and starts on building principled party unity
starting from branch level to inclusive regional and provincial conferences.


We must accept that PAC members had been successfully turned against each,
in a manner never seen before! 

This occurrences was bound to occur, we have however underestimated its
actual capacity of political and ideological destruction. They have achieved
in less 24 months, what CIA, MOSSAD, MI0 and other instruments of
imperialism combined failed to achieve, that is, total destruction of PAC! 

I suggest, if you will agree that your five questions, be subjected to an
in-depth analysis and deliberations, for in these questions resides only
primary question What Is To Be Done? 

Above all the comprador bourgeoisie leading the three feuding NEC groupings
will not subject themselves to any form of democratic centralism, they do
not seek an orderly and normal PAC! PAC branches and 

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

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Subject: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the
struggle?

Revolutionary greetings!

Comrades one is confronted by serious personal questions as to the role one
should play in the struggle in view of the current state of the PAC in
response to the country's political statues quo.

The state of the party continues to cripples our contribution and role in
the struggle to emancipate our people. We are unable to use our talents,
skills, intellectual capital and passion for politics for the benefit of our
cause.

The leadership wrangles in the party has frustrated us the youth in terms of
growth and being nurtured for 

[PAYCO] Re: blame game same as pretending to be normal is not helping

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Siya

There are no neutral PAC members and PAC members not supporting the two
feuding, now three feuding NEC groupings can't be defined as neutral.

We have maintained that the an inclusive PAC conference composed of all PAC
Branches and members is crucial to resolve the prevailing political and
organisational parallysis.

The entire Butterworth elected NEC must report and account to members in an
inclusive national conference of PAC aiming to forge Party Unity. We know
thus far, that PAC branches and members were misled and again turned to
fight against each, as the PAC disintegrate organisationally and become
politically insignificant as matters stand today!

Also, we have advocated inclusove regional and provincial conferences
organised mainly to forge unity among PAC branches and members.

To root out factionalism, we also advocated and urged that PAC member  and
branches should denounce and boycot meetings organised to deepen internal
party feuding and drive factional interests.

We urged PAC branches and members to unite and embrace PAC Constitution and
Disciplinary code to to serve as the principled basis for unity and
political work.

Lastly, PAC branches and members should integrate their structures's
political work in the daily struggles waged by African workers and their
respective communities, so as to build PAC's mass based  character on
socialist programme!

Generalisation has its own basic flaws, for it tends to combine genuine PAC
members's omissions with deployed moles/agents, hence one has a serious
difficulty with such an analysis and approach!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah
 On 8 Aug 2014 16:18, Siyabulela Ndamane sndam...@gmail.com wrote:

 My dear comrades,

 In my view the weakness of any decision taken in any platform is that if
 the majority supports it - it becomes the order of the day irrespective of
 whether it is correct or not . . . this is the unfortunate reality and this
 problem is not unique to the PAC it is the problem of decision making !

 If I may take all the decisions and actions taken by the organization
 since unban todate, this unfortunate reality has happened ! What give
 effect to such decisions is that in the PAC those who differ with such a
 decision becomes despondent, withdraws from active political work and those
 who implement the decisions becomes vendettas in settling scores against
 those who opposed/differed on views.

 This weakness has bred ground for careerists and opportunists amongst
 ourselves within the ranks of the organ. . .off couse there are other
 contributing factors to the weaknesses of the organization.

 Between 1990 - 1996 *intimidation* was the tool used to force decisions
 in the Congress/Conference floor, the submission of some branch delegates
 to this intimidation was the sign of weaknesses on our part as individual
 persons and/or as branch representatives and branches themselves. I won't
 dwell much on the tangible facts of this argument most of you knows. . .
 e.g. the Revolutionary Watchdogs persistent criticism of the direction
 taken by the leadership did not sway the actions of the leadership - the
 decision to suspend armed-struggle was resisted then what - the pro and
 anti 1994 Elections chaos . . .with all the efforts to resist at the end of
 the day the leadership and decisions remained whether we liked them or not
 ! and most of all there were branches who supported and accepted the
 decision of the leadership whether right or wrong.

 Yes, many people have since distanced themselves from the organization
 because of the above . . .but PAC remained though bleeding ! The current
 situation (2006 - 2014) is not different from [(1990 - 1996) and (1996 -
 2006)], the organizational and administrative machinery has been collapsing
 - the decision making process and implementation of those decisions has not
 improved - the branches and structures became more weak and some
 non-existent ! Between 1996 - 2000 it was Mogoba-Makwetu problems; 2000 -
 2003 internal NEC problems; 2003 - 2006 the 'Talibans' and internal NEC
 differences; 2006 - 2014 internal NEC problems, Letlapa the 2 decrees; PAC
 Convention (cape town)  INDABA (soweto), Butterworth Congress; explusion
 of Letlapa and councillors; internal NEC problems and Mphethi decree. All
 this happens with the support of some branches in both opposing directions.

 Each opposing side always has a reason to argue the correcteness of their
 view and actions . . .we have seen this since 1990 todate, therefore the
 blame-game is not helping ! One can raise all correct arguments in his/her
 world-view blaming the otherside - the otherside can equally do the same.

 For as long we don't come together and accept that our
 individual/collective views can win-or-lose an argument at a certain point
 in time and in all that the organization has to be kept intact focused to
 the ultimate objectives, otherwise we must just forget that the PAC will
 ever come right we will be stuck-up 

Re: [PAYCO] MPETHI PRESIDENTIAL DECREE AND THREE PAC NEC SPLITS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

I read this entire thread of emails at least three times, Its so shocking
as to how many PAC members and branches were made to believe and support
positions which today are proven to be directly responsible for
factionalism and the disintegration of the PAC!

Its immaterial how one percieve's himself in broader scheme of events,
what's fundamental is to locate one's actions in relation to dealing with
substantive issues than being subjective. 2007 decree was unjustified by
reason was undermined by subjective interests and ego. Indeed Cde Letlapa
did not unilaterally invoke 14.2 in 2007 however he was supportted by NEC
members who blantantly refused to reason and see things different when
other NEC members argued that there no crisis post cross floor incident for
Godi had long left and formed APC, so its not Letlapa alone who should
carry full responsibility for chaos that started in 2007. Of interest it is
those NEC members who adviced, stood and supported Cde Letlapa to have
disregarded any positive proposals that aimed to resolve the dispute and
chart the wayforward. Today, these comrades condemns and point Cde Letlapa
as if he individually blunged the entire PAC into a crisis, so effecctively
Cde Letlapa became the scapegoat!

Again 11 May 2013 decision was proven to be un-constitutional but driven by
grudges than a rational and objective approach to issues, NEC members less
than 14 ganged-up hence the subjective and unconstitutional nature of the
11 May 2014. Indeed, the conduct of party affairs had been factional and no
NEC member openly spoke against primarily unconstitution conduct of party
affairs pre and post 11 May 2014! But most NEC members grouped themselves
against this leader or that leader thus groups which then assumed the very
factional mode of operations! 2012 Butterworth Congress elected was split
into two feuding groups, both groupings formed parallel structures as a
form legitimising themselves! And in the process some PAC branches and
members are excluded and cointer organisation took toll! Unconstitutionally
Cde Mpethi was declared as the President and Cde Muendane who resigned in
1999/2000 as PAC Secretary General, a member not in good standing since he
was never became active in any party political programmes as per his
resignation statement was appointed to be the Deputy President. No NEC
member spoke against this and condemned these methods.

Tension and counter organisation within the party equally gave rise to
intolerance, deceit and smear campaign! Again no NEC member openly
discouraged feuding which sow disunity across the party structures!

2014 national elections performed badly, structures were not coordinated
and resources flowed along factional line! Again, no NEC member(s) condemn
this in the interests of party unity!

26-27 July 2014, the Mpethi-Moloto NEC had its meeting which was conflict
ridden then later, on the 30th July 2014 Cde Mpethi invokes the decree he
argues the party has a crisis. Once more NEC splits further into another
two feuding groups.  one led by Mpethi-Muendane and the other Moloto-Joko,
effectively deepening internal party divisions and conflict!

As Letlapa was used as a scapegoat by those who supported the decree in
2007, the same will happen, the supporter of Moloto will turn against him
and claim innocence this put the entire blame on Moloto! The same with
Mpethi, those who advice and supports him will turn and tag Mpethi as the
one person who caused the party crisis!

In less than 24 months, Butterworth 2012 National Congress has
disintegrated into three feuding NEC groupings, this is tge state of the
party as at today. Attending any conference organised by one of this NEC
grouping amounts to supporting and legitimising factionalism.

Only an inclusive and unifying conferences organised from branches, regions
to provinces and finally at national level by a selfless PAC members who
have no ambitions to lead, can salvage the PAC. PAC needs a united
membership and a leadership commitment to advance the 1959 Pan Africanist
programme!

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

On 8 Aug 2014 15:24, Mbulelo Raymond mrfihl...@gmail.com wrote:

 M'Afrika Chargein

 Let me save you from gossip and rumour mongering. The question of me
 supporting Mphahlele when he invoked the decree the first time comes from
 me. I have declared in public and I again do declare that I did support
 Mphahlele in that fiasco. The reason why I declared it is because I was
 genuine and honest in my action. I did not support Mphahlele because I
 belonged to his faction. I supported him because genuinely in my opinion,
 there was what I had perceived as a crisis, where three factions one led
 by Thami to which you belonged, and the other led by Godi opposed almost
 anything that came from Mphahlele as a President of the PAC. In return,
 Mphahlele and his faction opposed anything that came from any of the other
 factions.You will recall that the issue on the table at the 

RE: [PAYCO] Pan Africanism: An ideology historical and socio political movement

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Thanks M’Afrika Vusie Makhathini for the documents. The intent of these 
documents must be clarified and shared, such that there can be meaningful 
interaction. However, my own analysis is that the arguments and questions 
raised in this documents had been answered in the PAC 1959 Pan Africanist 
Manifesto including other PAC Basic Documents. It is also a matter of concern 
that the document fails to recognise PAC’s 1959 theoretical contribution on the 
evolution of Pan Africanism given the peculiarities of the Azanian Case  and 
Africa especially in the neo-colonial epoch (read the Africanist Case 
elaboration by the then PAC Secretary for Education), the PAC construction of 
aiming to establish an Africanist Socialist Democracy is the theoretical 
contribution on Pan Africanism, as a system of political economy and 
governance. If the documents sought to present an institutional framework to 
advance social transformation within the very same prescripts of an Africanist 
Socialist Democracy. Secondly Kwame Nkrumah in the Class Struggle in Africa has 
also moved further in concretising the PAC conceptualisation of the Africanist 
Socialist Democracy.

 

Furthermore Pan Africanism rejects in totality capitalism in any form including 
white supremacy, instead of Pan Africanism rejecting European hegemony. 
Rejection of European hegemony narrows and limits Pan Africanism to some form 
of narrow continental nationalism.

 

The basic documents vividly present characteristics of Pan Africanism and such 
a theoretical contribution in the description of Pan Africanism stands as the 
political theoretical advancement made by the PAC as far as 1959, the same 
still applies during the prevalent neo-colonial epoch. 

 

Furthermore, the usage of the concept post-colonial Africa, is intellectually 
and theoretically misleading for it creates an impression that Africa is free 
from the shackles of capitalism and white supremacy, which is not the case for 
capitalism and white supremacy has evolved itself from classic colonialism, to 
settler colonialism and now post 1994 political dispensation represents a neo 
administration of the same capitalist and white supremacist system to be 
managed by a black or African face hence Kwame Nkrumah description of this 
system as neo-colonial system or neo-colonialism similar to a snake shedding an 
old skin however remain as a poisonous and deadly serpent with the same diet! 
Neocolonialism (also Neo-colonialism) is the geopolitical practice of using 
capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to influence a 
country, in lieu of either direct military control or indirect political 
control, i.e. imperialism and hegemony. The term neo-colonialism was coined by 
president Kwame Nkrumah, to describe the socio-economic and political control 
that can be exercised economically, linguistically, and culturally, whereby 
promotion of the culture of the neo-colonist country facilitates the cultural 
assimilation of the colonised people and thus opens the national economy to the 
multinational corporations of the neo-colonial country

 

During the neo-colonial epoch, the African comprador bourgeoisie exploit the 
relationship they have with political leaders thus like vampires’ sucking blood 
from a helpless victim, the African comprador bourgeoisie loot public funds as 
a form of wealth creation, such looting is also referred as corruption, thus an 
emergence of oligarchy in control of the neo-colonial state on behalf of the 
capitalist and white supremacist powers commonly located at the core region of 
capitalist world economic system. 

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

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[PAYCO] Know PAC Brief Insight Document

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika 

 

Find attached Know PAC Brief Insight, which one strongly feels that the
authors must rectify most of the contents of the document prior its
distribution. The initiative is good to educate and promote the PAC, however
usage of words and concepts should not be taken for granted when producing
publication and expressing the PAC's belief system.

 

Some of the errors identified are as follows:-

 

On PAC Presidents it should start with Prof Robert Sobukwe and also add
Clarence Mlamli Makwetu and Dr Motsoko Pheko who equally led PAC as a
President. PAC thirds objective and the basic documents within the socialist
economic system explicitly states states that To establish an Africanistic
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and spiritual interests of the individual; but what
is written in the Know PAC Brief Insight which The ownership and control of
the economy of this country must be restructured to become owned and
controlled by the State, popular trusts (by various groupings of the
citizens), communities (trusts, cooperatives, funds, etc) workers and
private individuals, this statement amounts to ideological
misrepresentation because state ownership and control like in China amounts
to another form of capitalism which is state capitalism not necessarily
Scientific Socialism posits working class control and ownership of the means
of production including determination of distribution. Taken further
Socialism can further be expanded in terms of permanent revolution to
entrench working class hegemony as a necessary path to radically root out
the capitalist belief system from the society and create a new society. 

 

And furthermore the last part of the above sentence in Know PAC Brief
Insight which is written as follows The ownership and control of the
economy of this country must be restructured to become owned and controlled
by .private individuals this advocates for retention and maintenance of
capitalist social relation which makes the premise of the entire document to
be not only capitalist orientated however it further falsely and a seriously
distorts Pan Africanism and PAC as we know and understand. And this sentence
in the Know PAC Brief Insight is a total joke  and make mockery out of the
PAC All citizens, except the elderly, children and seriously disabled, must
engage in some economic productive activities with the state providing
initial support. No free lunch and no dependency on Government' who said
the elderly and the disable are incapable to make a meaningful contribution
toward social economic development of a people? Discrimination of the
elderly and disabled is commonly found among primitive and capitalist
societies.

 

And the entire Know PAC Brief Insight, it naively over simplifies the Health
System for it is froth with poor comprehension and analysis of what
constitutes an alternative socialist Health System. A country's health
system is not necessarily limited and narrowed to the number of doctors in
relation to patients, it is a complex system and cannot be reduced to having
more paramedics than doctors will resolve the south Africa's health system
crisis as the document suggests. The Know PAC Brief Insight  advocates for
more paramedics, now for purpose of clarity a paramedic implies or means a
person who is trained to do medical work, especially emergency first aid,
but such a person is not necessarily  a fully qualified doctor nor a
radiographer nor a nurse or a neurologist nor a medical scientist nor a
hygiene specialist nor a dietician nor an ophthalmologist nor a dentist nor
a pharmacist nor other essential health professional.

 

And the policy positions on Know PAC Brief Insight must be removed until PAC
Conference deliberates and recommends for congress to consider on policy
proposals presented and adopted at the national congress. 

 

I suggest and humbly plead that this document must not distributed, it
should be firstly read and proof read and further edited prior its
distribution. PAC has adequate historians and literature expertise which
should be utilised to ensure quality political literature is circulated.
Nonetheless, the initiative a must be commended and supported.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] FW: AN APPEAL FOR A SOLIDARITY CAMPAIGN

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

 

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Sent: 03 June 2014 04:57 PM
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Subject: AN APPEAL FOR A SOLIDARITY CAMPAIGN

 

Greetings Comrades

 

The National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa), Solidarity, the Metal and 
Electrical Workers Union of South Africa and the South African Equity Workers 
Association are demanding a 15% wage increase, while employers have offered an 
inflation-linked increase of 6.1%. We have long predicted that the Metal and 
Engineering industries workers will also go to industrial strike action, given 
the fact that NUMSA mainly seeks to strategically position itself and grow it 
membership base in the metal and engineering industries and the entire 
manufacturing sector. The strategic positioning by NUMSA as an alternative 
fighting trade union will result to a massive decline and loss of membership by 
both MEWUSA and any NACTU and FEDUSA trade unions.  

 

 

The readings are on the wall comradely, workers in the country are seeking for 
alternative trade unions willing to strengthen workers’ workplace and 
industrial fighting capacity against low wages, poor working conditions and 
lack of benefits. The socio-economic conditions become an additional impetus 
which drives workers to trade unions that are publicly visible and with 
political campaigns fighting both capitalist exploitation and government’s poor 
service delivery. Failure for MEWUSA and other manufacturing industries based 
trade union to adopt a fighting attitude to confront capitalist exploitation 
and poor service delivery, these unions will notice absence of membership 
growth but a loss of membership.

 

Once again we place before MEWUSA and all NACTU Affiliates, to consider to 
adopt campaigns which will place them directly in the daily struggles waged by 
the African workers and their respective communities. As activists, researchers 
and academics, we avail ourselves and our expertise to assist in developing 
actions plans and implementation of those actions plans. Comrades should not 
that, workers are interested in organisations that integrates both workplaces 
struggles jointly with community based struggles.

 

We place the following for your consideration and deliberations:-

 

Workplace and Economic Demands

 

·Total ban or abolish labour brokers across all industries;

·Medical and Provident/Pension Fund Benefit for all workers across all 
industries;

·Housing allowance payable to each worker across all industries;

·Mandatory workplace training for all workers without loss of pay;

·No company in our industry should be allowed to implement Employment 
Tax Incentive, total rejection of youth wage subsidy;

 

Social Demands

 

·Free and Compulsory education from Grade R until Postgraduate Degree;

·Review of SETAs role and funding be directed mainly to FET Colleges to 
resolve skills shortage in the country

·Abolish private education for a single public education system;

·Abolish private Health System for a single public health system;

·RE-opening of teachers training colleges to resolve teachers shortages 
at public schools;

·Re-opening of nursing colleges across all provinces to resolve 
shortage of nurses at hospitals and clinics

·Re-opening of technical colleges until evening until Saturday to allow 
workers access to education;

·Opening Agricultural Colleges across all provinces to develop skills 
and knowledge on crop and stock farming;

·All public servants and parliamentarians should use public services 
such as schools, transport, clinics and hospitals;

·Parliamentarians should earn an equivalent salary including benefits 
to those of workers;

·Free electricity and water for the unemployed and workers earning less 
than R8000,00;

·House state subsidy for worker

[PAYCO] RE: The 4th Annual African Unity for Renaissance Conference and Africa Day

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Mohlomphegi

Thanks for the invitation to your NEC Meeting which I hope the invite is
open to all and interested PAC Members and Branches to attend as observers.

Kindly, advise where and when is the meeting this weekend?

Shango lashu

Nkrumah
On 22 May 2014 11:11, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote:

  Cadre Nkrumah



 Please can you take your time to attend the Sunday NEC meeting as an
 observer so that you get to know where this party of Sobukwe is and where
 it is heading.



 The party is engaged in some sort of other issues and the real issues as
 presented by this conference are long being abandoned. The PAC of today is
 not what the PAC of Sobukwe is. We are simply the former PAC. Our challenge
 is to resurrect the real PAC.



 On our honour and fortunes!



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RE: [PAYCO] Members

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

 

National Elections reflect the perceptions people hold and form decisions
when the cast their votes, according to the theory of issue voting, voters
compare the candidates' respective principles against their own in order to
decide for whom to vote. A voter does not need to have an in-depth
understanding of every issue and knowledge of how a candidate stands on
every issue, but rather a sense of which candidate they agree with the most.
Voters use many different tactics to rationalize their view on a particular
issue. Some people look at what has happened in the past and predict how
they think a particular issue will affect them in the future. A study found
that voters switch between issue voting and party voting depending on how
much information is available to them about a given candidate. A voter's
understanding of parties' principles is strengthened and developed over time
as a person gains experience with more political events. First, issues are
not always dichotomous; there are often many stances one could take. Voters
often must settle for the candidate whose stances are closest to their own,
example majority of people seek employment, quality free education, ANC in
the past 20 years failed to deliver on these basic service and needs but
voters casted their votes in favour of ANC but not PAC! Why because some
voters opinion are either sentimental and/or based on opinion formulated on
the basis of skewed information (we know ANC is not the only liberation
movement- so why should/ do people consider ANC as the only liberation
movement) or failure of PAC to expose itself to the public during 365 day
multiplied by 5 years deprived voters information about PAC as an
alternative Party. In order for an issue to create the foundation for party
choice, a voter must first be concerned about a particular issue and have
some knowledge about that issue which is linked to a party or particular
candidate of the Party. The media is and will always be biased, what plans
did the party formulate to in advance to promote and popularise its
positions and condemn acts deemed not to be in the public's interests!  

 

In order for a person to be an issue voter, they must be able to recognize
that there is more than one opinion about a particular issue, have formed a
solid opinion about it and be able to relate that to a specific political
party. According to Campbell, only 40 to 60 percent of the informed
population even perceives party differences, and can thus partake in party
voting. This would suggest that it is common for individuals to develop
opinions of issues without the aid of a political party. Thus while some
voters cast their votes based on the understanding of a party's principles,
most tends to cast their votes based on perceptions and opinions based
either on issues or that which had the most impacted for a voter to create a
perception or opinion.

 

Mao argued that every difference in men's concepts should be regarded as
reflecting an objective contradiction. Objective contradictions are
reflected in subjective thinking, and this process constitutes the
contradictory movement of concepts, pushes forward the development of
thought, and ceaselessly solves problems in man's thinking. Opposition and
struggle between ideas of different kinds constantly occur within the Party;
this is a reflection within the Party of contradictions between classes and
between the new and the old in society. If there were no contradictions in
the Party and no ideological struggles to resolve them, the Party's life
would come to an end.

 

We are at risk of being reduced to political commentators as the PAC is
thrown into obscurity, as it no longer exist in the consciousness of the
masses, as the PAC disintegrates daily! We are caught up in a cobweb of
conflicting practices, principles against patronage; objective reality and
sentimentalism. Drawing from past experiences, unhappy PAC members always
resorted to either not voting while others openly de-campaign PAC during
national elections as far back as 1994, 1999, 2004; but since 2009 and 2014
the majority members and branches opted not vote and not to campaign for
PAC, amidst efforts made to encourage PAC members to vote and campaign for
PAC.  Failure, to be cognisant of the fact that PAC is an organisation whose
membership and leaders are deeply hurt, PAC is a wounded party which
requires a self-healing process. PAC members are highly disgruntled and the
2014 National and Provincial Elections serves as nothing but a clear
indicator. Our party is in a highly abnormal situation organisationally. The
golden fibre that kept the party in tact has been eroded, to rebuild and
re-organise the PAC implies re-crafting that golden fibre and this requires
sober, objectiveness and principles approach to problem solving.

 

Lenin said: The two basic (or two possible? or two historically
observable?) conceptions of development (evolution) are: development as
decrease and 

RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Sibeko

 

Just to address two observations in your statement namely:- “ It appears that 
PAC members did not vote or they either they voted the EFF or the ANC” and “I 
say this because in my branch, the votes do not talk to the membership. This is 
very disappointing. PAC is stabbed by its members, we cannot blame financial 
resources alone”.

 

While I fully agree with you that we cannot fully blame financial resources 
alone, however we must note that there are many endogenous and exogenous 
factors that should be considered and examined so to explain the PAC’s 
performance. In the past we once explained that for PAC to make a significant 
impact during national elections, it should start electioneering five years 
before the actual elections, that is, as PAC we should have started campaigning 
immediately after 2009 national elections, we should ensure that twelve months 
(12) months before elections PAC has adequately prepared its members, 
structures, identified and trained four- six party agents per voting station. 
PAC should consider to effectively use its members and strucutures as a key 
resource based on a clearly defined political programme and strategies. The 
resolution taken after the 1999 national election under the then National 
Organiser M’Afrika Ata Kgosana and the 2000 local government elections then 
National Organiser it was Themba Godi, it was that PAC Elections structures 
namely NEA, PEA, REA and BEA must be standing committees to build the required 
institutional capability and retain institutional memory. Every elections PAC 
starts afresh as if we are a new political party! 

 

Commonly any party mobilises and organises its membership and structures 12 
months – 8 months prior elections, this implies among many things to have party 
members highly inspired and motivated towards, during and post elections, 
aspects such as:-

 

·   PAC’s Internal (endo) environment organisational and structural factors 
 such as,

 

o   The 11 May 2014 NEC grouping in charge of elections failed to act in best 
interest of the PAC, because as far as four months before 7th May 2014 national 
elections, all members and leaders knew that PAC is highly divided and stand a 
risk of some members not to vote PAC due to internal leadership feuding, 
logically they could have created a national list that is unifying the PAC and 
could have considered some former PAC leaders are not part of any of the 
feuding factions, to be the face of the PAC, that they could have considered 
PAC leaders such as Mark Shinners or Ata Kgosana or Tsietsi Telite (former PASO 
President) to be the face of the PAC during elections; 

  

o   PAC Leaders mobilised members and voters by sending a conflict message send 
to voters namely VOTE EFF and PAC, when a ballot only permits a voter to cast a 
vote for only one political party. Interestingly EFF never campaigned its 
members, supporters and voters to vote PAC and EFF. EFF campaigned for EFF 
nothing else; 

 

oInternal party environment should not be repulsive and resentful such as 
coordination of elections campaign and circulation of elections information 
along factional lines and interests, some PAC branches and probably majority 
did not have a clue as to what is happening during the elections; 

 

o   Party structures should be stable and functional;

 

o   Leadership’s ability to articulate PAC positions;

 

o   21st March Sharpeville Massacre, the PAC leadership created a political 
platform for EFF to raise its political profile and mobilise support;

 

o   Some of the leaders suffer from delusion of grandeur 

 

o   Financial resources are not necessarily the reason for poor performance of 
the PAC, example PAC Presidential Candidate and those deployed to represent PAC 
at public debates during elections could not convincingly explain and  
articulate all dimension about the Land Question namely Historical land 
dispossession linked to the national question, Political Economic Dimension 
linked to the control and ownership of the means of production, Socio-economic 
Dimension linked to issues such as housing, residential areas, Legislative 
framework meaning land reforms policies’ willing buyer-willing seller and the 
impact of Property Clause etc;

 

·   PAC’s External (exo) environment: systemic factors and mitigation 
strategies

 

o   Attitude of the media side-lining PAC’s , example it became evident that 
e-NCA and E-TV had a plan to write off PAC or had written PAC Off PAC { PAC 
National Elections Coordinating Committee should have had  a Publicity and 
Media Mitigation strategy and proactive plans in advance}

 

o   Analyst comments shaped public opinion and mobilised voters away from PAC { 
PAC National Elections Coordinating Committee should have had  a Publicity and 
Media Mitigation strategy and proactive plans in advance}  

 

The above are few aspects that should be considered, because members in wards 
are not 

[PAYCO] RE: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

 

Find the attached political parties lists as captured and presented by the
IEC for public comment on the IEC website. PAC candidates lists start from
page 168 - 182.

 

http://www.elections.org.za/content/Parties/Objections-to-candidate-nominati
ons/ 

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

From: Tommy Ntando [mailto:tommynta...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 23 March 2014 01:22 PM
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Cc: Sbusiso Xaba; Sam Ditshego; ad...@pac.org.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
Sowetan Avusa; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za;
Tumediso Modise; Mpumelelo Rulumente; Bongani Sibeko; Lehlogonolo Digashu;
emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; itumeleng mahuma; i...@enca.com; Nkrumah
Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] PAC NATIONAL AND PROVINCIAL LISTS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

Find attached Pdf and Excel Spreadsheet versions of the National and
Provincial lists, as published by the IEC on the website address
http://www.elections.org.za/content/Parties/Objections-to-candidate-nominati
ons/ 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah  

 

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emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; itumeleng mahuma; i...@enca.com; Nkrumah
Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] 11 MAY and 18th MAY NEC GROUPINGS COURT CASES

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

We request PAC Members with all high court cases number and submissions to
provide us with case numbers and rulings; and if permissible attach the high
court cases numbers. We intend to explore means to politically resolve the
court battles by reinstating the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code thus
the supremacy of PAC Conference/Congress as prescribed in the constitution.

 

We encourage PAC Branches and members to focus their energies and efforts on
rallying and campaigning voters to vote PAC on the 7th May 2014 National and
Provincial Elections. Post the 7th May 2014, we will explore political and
organisational normalisation of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, such
will be most desired that it be achieved before the lapse of 2014 December.


 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

Pan Africanist Congress of Azania

Pimville Branch

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[PAYCO] FORMER PASO-PASMA REUNION

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika, 

 

The Former PASO-PASMA REUNION went well and the robust debates and 
deliberations were highly constructive and forward looking! The Reunion started 
at 17:00. and ended around 22:15 at Streetwise Lodge and Conference Centre. The 
decisions and mandates taken will be communicated as per the discussions taken. 
And we shall proceed to execute the mandates and decisions. 

 

The following principles had been endorsed to form the basis of our political 
work and mandate:

 
https://www.facebook.com/raymondnkrumah.kgagudi/posts/717771098246178?notif_t=like
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The purpose of the Re-Union has been agreed as it should:-

Firstly, Re-mobilise former PASO-PASMA comrades through a programme back into 
the party-PAC, 

 

Secondly we must convene a session to make an in-depth analysis and to 
deliberate on the state of the Azanian and African Revolution so as to create a 
common political theoretical understanding and state of mind; 

 

Thirdly we will furthermore reflect on the current state of the PAC including 
its component structures and adopt a party rectification strategy; 

 

Lastly it conceptualisation and construction/formulation of a Pan Africanist 
Programme guided by the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto to assume a socialist 
revolutionary path for the seizure of state political power -2019, thus 
re-orientate and place the PAC as a mass based revolutionary party;

 

Thanks to all forces who made financial contributions

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

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Sent: 20 March 2014 07:32 AM
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matsoba...@tiscali.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; 
drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za; 
i...@payco.org.za; ishmea...@sasa.gov.za; jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 
sero...@hotmail.com; jmapla...@gmail.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 
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malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; matsoba...@tiscali.co.za; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
mmbar...@hotmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; Mpumelelo Rulumente; 
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Xaba; seun.lehlohonolo.lehlohon...@gmail.com; nrkgag...@gmail.com; 
smollzo...@gmail.com; snow.mokgalab...@gmail.com; 
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Modise; Xola Tyamzashe; vemahla...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Buses to Sharperville -21 March

 

Has the PAC also adopted the berets style?

 

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:06 AM, Tommy Ntando tommynta...@gmail.com wrote:

Good evening Sons’  Daughters’ I hope this info will clarify many questions 
regarding the Transport to Sharperville.

Kindly find herewith the attached contact list and pick up points or bus stop 
station(s) for your region. For more information and bus routes kindly liaise 
with your regional Chair or Secretary.

All branches, component structures, members and supporters of the PAC are 
expected to attend this history event. Lets all come out Ma`Afrika and paint 
Sharperville with our  party regalia (Black and  T-shirts and Black Berets), as 
we shall be commemorate the fallen heroes of our struggle, while at the same 
time we shall be Campaigning   Galvanizing Sharperville community to Vote PAC  
on May 07th 

“ Land Redistribution for Socio-Economic Emancipation-Vote PAC”

Izwe 

Tommy ka-Ntando

Provincial Election Manager: PAC Gauteng

082 930 8735 

 

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[PAYCO] REDISCOVER THE HISTORIC TASK OF THE PARTY AND FORGE UNITY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Greetings

 

Using the Autoimmune Disorder analysis,  when applying this description to
the current political state in the party and among party members, it has
become evident that party members can no longer distinguish a Pan Africanist
who should be regarded as a comrade in struggle from agents of
neo-colonialism and imperialism. The amount of time, energy and resources
party members spent to counter organise each other, insult and humiliate
each other to the extent that, the PAC is facing total oblivion. 

 

And actually the level of energy mobilised for counter organisation among
party members far exceeds that directed toward the neo-colonial state,
capitalism and white supremacy. It is this same failure to tell a difference
of a comrade and an enemy that it is argued and confirms the view that the
party members failure to attack the real enemy but capable to place a
concerted effort to attack of fellow comrades has systematically weakened
the body PAC than neo-colonialism and imperialism and white supremacy. This
confirms that it is evident that members and leaders have lost political
focus and a sense of political direction, as to why PAC exists and what's
the purpose of the PAC. This occurrence are similar to the disorderly
functioning of immune system called the Autoimmune disorders.

 

To fulfil our Historic Tasks as the Party, PAC branches and members should
forge principled unity and approach national elections as a single unified
organisation with a common purpose namely the historic tasks of the African
liberation movement are clearly the product of Africa's history, of the
forces and factors which have made it what it is. To obtain complete freedom
in Africa, the historic tasks of the movement are:  * To forge, foster and
consolidate the bonds of African nationhood  a Pan-African basis.  * To
implement effective the fundamental principal that the  dominion or
sovereignty over the domination or ownership  in the whole territory of the
continent rest exclusively and  indigenous people.  * to create and maintain
a United States of Africa that will serve  and provide and concrete
institutional form for the African nation.  * to establish an Africanist
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and  spiritual interests of the individual.

 

If the two warring NECs fail to put the interests of the PAC above their
subjective interests then PAC Branches and members should initiate and lead
the unification process and working together, thus approach the 2014
National Elections as a single unified party, raise the funds and register
the PAC from provinces and nationally.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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[PAYCO] FORGE UNITY AND SALVAGE THE PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

Kindly consider the following points as an intervention to salvage the PAC
and forge a workable solution for the PAC.

 

 

1.Both factions must first withdraw all courts and legal
actions. 

2.An urgent inclusive national meeting is essential to
concretise a national common approach and resources allocation mobilisation
and allocation.

3.Organise an inclusive national conference/meeting to setup
a representative National Task Team to include two provincial
representatives and representative component structures. 

4.The National Task Team should coordinate PAC elections
strategy and oversee PAC 2014 campaigning and that at national and
provincial level PAC approaches elections with one voice and united! 

5.Once branches are united and properly constituted, and PAC
members brought on board, then commence the proceed with Party Rectification
and Party Building Programme which should entail:-National wide political
workshops and Members Capacity Building  RE-Orientation convened from
branch level-regional level until provincial and national level. 

6.And the National Task Team should re- organize all
structures starting with branches until Provincial structures and do away
with parallelism.

7.The National Task Team should organize a national
conference within six months to deliberate on party policies and strategies
thus conclude a political programme for seizure of state political power

8.Organise a national congress within the next 12 months to
consider and adopt proposed party policies and strategies thus conclude a
political programme for seizure of state political power

9.And then convene elective congresses that must be elect
the NEC at National level and PEC and REC. 

10.   Once all Africanist are under the PAC banner - PAC will be
able to concentrate in its business to take power and transform this
country.

 

And then the entire party structures coherently act on to fulfil the
Historic Tasks as the Party, PAC branches and members should forge
principled unity and approach national elections as a single unified
organisation with a common purpose namely the historic tasks of the African
liberation movement are clearly the product of Africa's history, of the
forces and factors which have made it what it is. To obtain complete freedom
in Africa, the historic tasks of the movement are:  * To forge, foster and
consolidate the bonds of African nationhood  a Pan-African basis.  * To
implement effective the fundamental principal that the  dominion or
sovereignty over the domination or ownership  in the whole territory of the
continent rest exclusively and  indigenous people.  * to create and maintain
a United States of Africa that will serve  and provide and concrete
institutional form for the African nation.  * to establish an Africanist
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and  spiritual interests of the individual. 

 

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

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[PAYCO] FW: Is Marxism still relevant today? Book Launch Thursday 20 Feb: MARXISMS IN THE 21ST CENTURY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades interested are encouraged to attend the open discussions/debate and 
book launch as per the e-mail below!

 

From: corina.vandersp...@wits.ac.za on behalf of Wits University Press 
[mailto:corina.vandersp...@wits.ac.za] 
Sent: 14 February 2014 02:35 PM
To: Raymond Kgagudi
Subject: Is Marxism still relevant today? Book Launch Thursday 20 Feb: MARXISMS 
IN THE 21ST CENTURY

 

  http://e2.ma/track/lgi4h/x90bzf 

Wits University Press cordially invites you to the launch of

MARXISMS IN THE 21ST CENTURY http://e2.ma/click/lgi4h/x90bzf/9uxcud 
Crisis, Critique  Struggle
Editors: Michelle Williams  Vishwas Satgar

Dinga Sikwebu, the National Education Coordinator of the National Union of 
Metalworkers of South Africa (NUMSA), will be in conversation with Michelle 
Williams and Vishwas Satgar, editors of this book.

WHEN
Thursday 20 February, 17h30 to 20h00
WHERE
Graduate Seminar Room, South West Engineering Building 
http://e2.ma/click/lgi4h/x90bzf/pnycud , East Campus, Wits University
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RE: [PAYCO] Good lesson

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

Find the attached as per your requests. And your views are crucial, please
send your views-feedback as a PAC branch.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mawethu Sidzamba
Sent: 11 February 2014 03:41 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Good lesson

 

All  I have to say about an orgy of mergers displayed by the two feuding PAC
factions is a SePedi dictum which goes  A pride of uncooperative lions will
fail to bring down a limping Buffalo! There is nothing worth celebrating in
the PAC leadership which hastens to merge with other organisations while it
fails to coalesce with its own constituency.

 

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:51 PM, jabumakha...@yahoo.com
jabumakha...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm expressing my appreciation to Mphethi following his announcement to co
operate with EEF during the forth-coming elections. One will recall that not
long ago, Mphethi criticized Malema of stealing PAC policies and fortunately
he was corrected and it  seems he has learnt a lesson.  l wish PAC members
can also master  scrutinizing unfolding events. Political-mergers may be
good but we have enough human-resource in this country which can enable the
PAC to face elections on its own without mergers. PAC leaders must cease to
be cowards, secondly, leaders must be in the forefront and go out to the
people articulating the PAC policies. The party can win the hearts of the
masses. 

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RE: [PAYCO] 5th - 8th December/ 2013 Summer Political School

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greeting M'Afrika Keith

Your suggestion is highly appreciated and with limited resources we have, we
will do our utmost best to capture the event on video as per your noble
idea.

Open Palm Salute, Shango lashu! 

African Unity and Socialism In Our Lifetime!

Revolutionary regards

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi



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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] 5th - 8th December/ 2013 Summer Political School

Greetings Ma-Afrika this is a good initiative which I see it growing with
time. I want to suggest that how about your sessions be also be captured on
a video to reach many who won't be able to come but will be able to purchase
your video dvd! Yours in pursue of a socialist state

On 11/20/13, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greeting Sons and Daughters of Africa



 School for Pan Africanist Thought will be hosting the 2013 Summer 
 Political School on Pan Africanism, African Revolution and many other 
 related key ideological areas. We invite any interested Pan 
 Africanist, members and leaders interested to attend and should 
 complete the attached Registration Form. Participants who will require 
 accommodation should complete the attached form and deposit 
 accommodation plus meals contributions in the account number provided.



 Attached also find the Draft Programme of the 2013 Summer Political
School.




 We plan to host the same event next 2014, that is, a winter political 
 school around June or July and later a Summer Political School in 
 November or December.



 For any details please do not hesitate to contact either M'Afrika 
 Ntsie Mohloai - 073 236 4780 or M'Afrika Vusi Mahlangu - 072 5001455 
 or M'Afrika Dumisani Zwane - 072 078 7539



 Shango lashu

 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 074 922 6361



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RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Dear M’Afrika Fikiswa 

 

Thanks for the clarification and again the energy of Tshwane Region is
highly commended. Basic party practice prescribes that after having
subjected a notion/proposal the democratic centralism as an organisational
approach of decision it can be deemed binding to party members and
structures as soon as the appropriate party constitutional structures/forums
resolves and ratifies the idea. 

Secondly, the draft Tshwane represent a fundamental policy and ideological
shift since it has a strong nationalist capitalist one will appreciate
clarification of the basic questions I raised, which are the following:-

 

• Land repossession with compensation and restitution to
resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist
political economic system ;

• Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only
viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of
poverty as the only viable and sustainable logic to realise national
self-determination ;

• Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge
and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational,
cultural and economic advancement of the African people;

• Free Socialist Education from primary until university
level

• African Unity thus creation of a common governance system
across the African Continent

 

The sooner these basic questions are clarified, such will assist further
deliberations. 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fikiswa Ntshwanti
Sent: 15 November 2013 10:49 AM
To: payco
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

 

Dear MÁfrika Nkrumah

 

Thanks for taking time to read our draft manifesto(it's our draft , you
included as the member of the organisation) and raising valid points . The
aim of circulating it, is for every member of the organisation to give
suggestions on what they would like to see in it. Your feedback will be
highly appreciated.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

M’Afrika Fekiswa

 

Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft
manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as:

 

·Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the
historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political
economic system ;

·Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form
to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty;

·Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and
skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural
and economic advancement of the African people;

·Free Education from primary until university level

·African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across
the African Continent 

 

I find it interesting that the word “GOD” appears at least four (4) times,
does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist
Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas?

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah   

 

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fikiswa Ntshwanti
Sent: 14 November 2013 02:34 PM
To: payco
Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

 


Ma'Afrika

 

Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections.

 

Izwe lethu

 

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RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M’Afrika Sibeko

 

Currently PAC is kept in many people’s mind by the selfless and courageous acts 
of the its previous leaders dating as far as the era on Sobukwe, Pokella, and 
Mothopeng, the PAC is not in people’s mind on the basis of its current (today) 
mass based campaigns and party’s leadership capability on shaping public 
policies discourse. And this occurs chiefly as a consequence of a party and a 
leadership that suffers from public-phobia and also has serious 
ideological-political and organisational defects, this explains the deep seated 
nature of the problems confronting the PAC. 

 

Some made the claim that EFF speaks the PAC language, while we refuted this 
claim scientifically, however leaders and members who holds the view that EFF 
has stolen PAC policies and ideology exposes a serious ideological bankruptcy, 
but again this exposes also that the problems facing the party are deep rooted 
on the political theoretical nature and character of the party membership and 
leaders. It must be mentioned that the courage displayed by EFF inspires the 
masses, the same courage and determination has become extremely scarce in the 
party.

 

So the entire party political functional aspects based on a mass based 
programme has been negated making the party an empty shell, consequently 
rendering almost all structures without a structurally defined primary 
political purpose and role. 

 

Another defects it is how party structures are understood, for example, a 
constitutional branch deemed to be compliant implies that a branch with at 
“least 20 paid up members”. This description is inadequate since it focuses 
only on one organisational element of a branch which is at least 20 paid 
members constitute a branch. 

 

The PAC constitution has three parts for all structures starting with the 
congress/conferences-NEC-PEC-REC-BEC- Member, these three parts are:-

1. Political functions and Roles; 

2. Organisational Functions and roles; 

3. Key Components of structures example a branch is composed of members, 
BEC, Meetings, Branch Annual Meetings, BDC which describes and defines a 
branch. 

 

Each part has at least an estimated eight (8) – nine(9)elements. Our assessment 
in we analysed the usage of the concept “constitutional complain branches”, out 
of 28 element there has been compliance with only one (1) element thus making 
majority if not PAC branches to be 96.43% non-compliant or unconstitutional. In 
other words there are close to 26-27 elements that most branches fail and some 
branches had never complied with and this cuts across all PAC structures namely 
from branch-REC-PEC-NEC.

 

Effectively, PAC of today no longer functions within the constitution and 
disciplinary code of the party, if the constitution if the supreme law of the 
party and it is being disregarded this should explain the level not only of 
lawlessness but absence of political direction due to annual conferences and 
congresses serves as thee strategic platform to reflect and determine the 
party’s political thrust!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mduduzi Sibeko
Sent: 10 November 2013 09:16 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO]

 

Cde Nkrumah, Ndebele, Seroke

 

It is almost twenty years since we have been trying to resuscitate ourselves 
from the  ashes of rivalry and infighting. To retrospect, from our poor 
electoral showing of 1994, the PAC had always had an agenda of revamping 
leadership. It is unfortunate that the ideal leadership has not come forth,  
aggravating is the fact that from then, our electoral support has been 
dwindling from 5 members in parliament to 1. By and large, new kids on the 
block in the political spectrum in South Africa have always undercut our 
position and relevance. One writer in this platform reported that in Limpompo 
members of the PAC have joined the EFF. In Daveyton we are Launching a branch, 
and we have committed Africanists, but will we sustain this potential. The EFF 
has received an untold publicity in the media and elsewhere, and disgruntled 
people from the ANC have found it to be a viable political alternative. Can we 
survive or we are just relying on our liberation struggle heritage ?. which 
transition of leadership in PAC has taken place without scuffle from 1994.

 

Izwe Lethu

Mduduzi Sibeko

 

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[PAYCO] Letters from IEC to PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Morning Comrades 


Sad, pathetic and disgusting as it may be, I think the entire PAC members
and leaders are paying the price based on the conduct of both the 11th May
and 18th May NEC groupings, the entire PAC is being made to pay a heavy
price for leaders and members using wrong and unprincipled methods to
resolve PAC internal problems. 

 

Who is the winner? Letlapa NEC Grouping or Narius NEC Grouping? Fact is PAC
has not gained anything but its losses are greater than can be imagined!

 

Both Letlapa's NEC grouping and Narius NEC groupings including supporters of
the two groupings are directly responsible for this mayhem in the PAC. We
have long cautioned and consistently discouraged PAC leaders and members not
to take sides, that is, not to side with Letlapa (President) against Narius
(Secretary General) nor side with Narius (Secretary General) against the
Letlapa (President) but adopt a merits based approach which should be
objectives and principled, our words fell into deaf hears. 

 

My honest assessment, you should equally take full responsibility for the
political  damage done and organisational erosion of the PAC, you can't
point fingers to Narius-Joko and others- your acts are indifferent.  

 

Today, including in the future we will simply say, we have told you so, you
refused to heed the call and advices given, instead you opted to
marginalise and launched a smearing campaign against those who choose not to
support a divisive position, that is, rejection of what has become Letlapa's
factionalism which thrives on the basis of the support and the life you
breath into it, same applies to those supporting Narius-Mpethi decision
which has become a factionalist position which is equally politically
damaging and organisational eroding the PAC thus thrives on the support and
breath given by those linked to them. 

 

While we bit you well in your infighting, it should be drawn to your
attention that, the entire PAC nationally is politically and
organisationally stagnant, comrades should not be deceived and misled by
scattered-sporadic activities taking place such activities lacks the
required political leadership while some are organised to despise other
grouping, if national elections will be in April 2014, effective PAC has and
is left with less than 120 days (1st December 2013 until 31st March 2014) to
massively organise and mobilise the people/voters for national elections.  


We have resolved not to follow nor support any of the two warring NEC
grouping(s) including their supporters but we should focus ourselves in
activities that are forward looking and more constructive.

Shango lashu

NKrumah

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[PAYCO] RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Find attached Handbook of Revolutionary Warfare for your reading and
discussion in your respective branches. We encourage party members in every
branch to form Political Study and Work Groups composed of 5 - 10 comrades.
The Political Study and Work Group(s) are coordinated by the Branch
Organiser or a Branch Member (or BEC Member) assigned to coordinate the
branch's Political Work and Education. PSWG meet regularly commonly after
every two weeks to discuss, critique, and share political literature
including experiences drawn from the actual execution of party political
work. PSWG are founded on two key elements namely Revolutionary Theory and
Revolutionary Practice.

I hope this method will greatly assist in improving the quality and effect
of your party political work!

Arise Revolutionary Forces, Arise!

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

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Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com; mpumele...@gmail.com;
'Malesela Mogashwa'; ndimatongog...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za;
payco@googlegroups.com; 'Dr. Motsoko Pheko'; 'Tumediso Modise';
nrkgag...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU
BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

 

Izwe lethu

 

Where did the word Hippopotamus come from? origin of this word? Some say
this word describes the behaviour of this animal as it is submerged in the
water for according or in Zulu language bathi I-phuphutha manzi thus
becoming Hi-phuphuta-manzi, however a contrary view points to Greek
language, the Greek words hippos meaning horse and potamos meaning river
or rushing water. 

The Hippopotamus is a large semi-aquatic mammal that is found wallowing in
the rivers and lakes across sub-Saharan Africa. So this animal called
Hippopotamus is only found in Africa, how do the Greeks end up having a name
for an animal that does not exist in their country and continent? The Nguni
or Zulu descriptive word make sense for Zulu speaking Africans interact with
this animals at the rivers and natural dams just like many Africans across
the continent, however should we be that simplistic by accepting the
I-phuphutha- manzi notion?

I think the need of African Anthropologist to explain these questionable
social areas and organic development of African society prior colonialism is
necessary, since it is proven that Bureaucracy originate from China and
other Asian countries, then was exported to Europe, and then through
colonialism European capitalist adapted it to serve European Capitalist
expansion interest as they sought new markets thus took bureaucracy to other
parts of the world does not originate from Europe! African scholars must
begin to provide scientific account about primeval Africa and African
languages including Empires and States such as Zanj and Timbuktu! 

How African states and bureaucracies were structured and operated in
relation to social development and many facets of the society is of great
importance. This goes to extent of also questioning the history taught at
schools which might perpetuate European and Arabic notions and distortions
about the African people. It is highly regrettable that South African
Universities are failing play an objective emancipation role on research and
scholarly work on making the African history to be known and told,
university historian commonly cites and reference from one

RE: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu Cde Frazer

 

The sooner we realise and accept the PAC is divided and has serious problems 
which effectively undermines smooth function and operations of the PAC the 
better. And resolution of PAC Problems can and will only be resolved by PAC 
branches and members, objective and matured and selfless leadership approach is 
essential. 

 

It self-contradictory, to demand that PAC structures to focus and plan for 2014 
national neo-colonial bourgeoisie election when divisions occurring in the NEC 
are furthermore cascaded to lower party structures consequently there are 
parallel structures almost the entire country such as two APLAMVA’s and two 
PAYCOs etc, while there is a high court case seemingly you subject PAC Branches 
and Members to await the outcomes.  Collective-Self-Deception and harbouring of 
illusions id dangerous, and tends to lead to self-destruction.

 

 

No court will resolve PAC political problems, any High Court Judge does not 
rule on inner political issues.

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah

 

From: frazer smith [mailto:frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za] 
Sent: 24 October 2013 06:49 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Tongogara Ndima
Cc: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; Apa Pooe; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; justice 
mvakali; Alton Mphethi; d...@pac.org.za; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; eddie mfulwane; 
rateb...@webmail.co.za; smiz...@hotmail.com; smollozo...@gmail.com; 
bassiekam...@facebook.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; rako...@tut.ac.za; 
Andiswa Mjali; wgaj...@gmail.com; bulang...@gmail.com; david mabitsela; 
emadzu...@yahoo.com; Malinge Plaatjie; makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; milesndl...@yahoo.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; Adelaide Mulaudzi; angwa...@webmail.co.za; 
Lehlohonolo Shale; lennox.maqw...@gmail.com; leon...@mpi.metropolitan.co.za; 
Sibusiso Xaba; tob...@yahoo.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; APLAMVA LIMPOMPO; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 
kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Luyanda Gwina; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; Kutie 
Thondlana; kub...@telkomsa.net; vumilemof...@yahoo.com; 
samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za; 
hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; mnyhon...@yahoo.com; 
maiv...@pac.org.za; Lehlogonolo Digashu; samrad...@upd.co.za; Danny Monareng; 
khoi.so...@gmail.com; a...@a-aprp-gc.org; a...@joburg.org.za; 
drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; 
ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; mphash...@webmail.co.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; Lerato 
Lephatsa; ju-...@webmail.co.za; solomoncontrac...@gmail.com; 
nancykob...@webmail.co.za; znd...@hotmail.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; 
ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Ikey Isaacs; oscarfelit...@gmail.com; Gordon MPinie; 
sibekowill...@yahoo.com; Vusi8 .; rakwe...@yahoo.com; Xola Tyamzashe; Jabu 
Makhanya; yolisamazo...@gmail.com; rmse...@gmail.com; ad...@pac.org.za; vakele 
mkandawire; Mzwandile Montjane; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

 

Izwe Lethu Ma Afrika

We all need to back and re-study Pan Africanism and the ideology of the PAC and 
for what we stand for and we fought for the liberation.

Ma Afrika let us not loose focus in the coming elections. Once all us failed to 
give leadership this Organisation. I am seek and tired when I open my mails 
that we accuse and threaten our own PAC members and we all forget who is the 
enemy.

Let us not always speak of Letlapa as President when we all no there is a court 
case on the matter. PAC is not owned by anyone let us not loose focus.

Let us approach discussion on philosophical understanding. My apology is that 
people who did not study political science always falls in criticising others. 
Tomorrow if Letlapa wakes up and say I resign you will be still saying Letlapa 
for President. The history of this Organization is rich and I being noting that 
there are who joined the PAC for wrong reasons. If people don't response we you 
ar e expecting to do so that not possible Mo Africa the reason people respond 
depends on the interest of the topic.

 I hope people who participate in the PAC discussion need to be clear and 
relevant don't speak for any one including the President as if the president is 
immortal. No Press can destroy us And Press can Build

Izwe Lethu





























On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:05:54 +0200 Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com 
wrote

Comrade Nkrumah

 

The angle you brought is interesting, it is true that some or most PAC NEC 
members are hiding themselves by posing as supporting or being against Cde 
President Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde GS Moloto. I thought we will hear NEC 
members speaking with one voice as a united PAC but we are not seeing this, 
maybe these comrades think they are fooling all of us, where is Cde Justice 
Mvakali, Cde Mohlomphegi and Cde Nofuma, these comrades used to travel all over 
the country mobilising members

[PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Mohlomphegi,

Evidently you misconstrued what I wrote, nonetheless it matters less what one 
prefers to call it, the bottom line is, we are less impressed about the extent 
of political and organisational destruction of PAC under your leadership as a 
consequence of an NEC that is divided along pro-Moloto-Mpethi Grouping of the 
11th May NEC Meeting and the Pro-Mphahlele Grouping of the 18th May NEC 
Meeting, each group representing part of the July 2012 National Congress 
elected NEC. Son of the soil, the earlier you realise that amidst whatever good 
intentions some comrades might have had, unfortunately wrong methods had been 
applied to resolve problems therefore those wrong methods (unconstitutional) 
have yielded wrong and destructive results. Comrades should grow tired of 
absence of progress in the PAC and the continuing and persisting political and 
organisational degeneration.

 PAC branches and members d eager of a growing PAC should start boycotting any 
event organised by any of the two NEC’ grouping for association with any 
amounts to an endorsement thus perpetuation of divisions and factionalism, 
simply put both Two NEC Groupings must be denounced by PAC branches and 
members. PAC branches must only respect and attend events organised by an 
inclusive 2012 July National Congress elected NEC.
Swallow, you pride comrades and consider the following:-

1.  Organise a special national conference in terms of the Clause 5.4 or 
5.5 for the entire NEC to report and account to the conference as required by 
the PAC Constitution 
2.  PAC National Conference should decide the direction that must be taken 
and to resolve the unfolding problems which do not only divide PAC members but 
has turned fellow PAC members to treat each other as if they are enemies due to 
the conduct of this NEC which in the eyes of many members is divisive and 
undermines any meaningful unity with common purpose
3.  And the entire PAC NEC as elected at the Butterworth National Congress 
in July 2012  should just subject yourselves to an inclusive national 
conference where PAC members and branches will decide,
4.  Both two NEC Groupings should explain to party members in a conference 
the political and organisational events since July 2012 Butterworth Congress 
till to date,
5.  Both Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto as July 2012 
Butterworth Congress elected President and Secretary General to explain 
themselves to delegates and will then become the final arbiters.
6.  No PAC member(s) and No PAC Councillors should be expelled or suspended 
by holding a contrary view to that of this current divided NEC
7.  All members should accept and subject themselves to the special 
national conference resolutions and outcomes 
8.  The special national conference should also consider short-term linked 
to long term  ideas and strategies to re-build and re-organise PAC

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
074 922 6361

-Original Message-
From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] 
Sent: 18 October 2013 09:12 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; 'Apa Pooe'; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; 
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; i...@bataufc.com; 
d...@pac.org.za; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; rateb...@webmail.co.za; 
smiz...@hotmail.com; smollozo...@gmail.com; bassiekam...@facebook.com; 
nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; rako...@tut.ac.za; mja...@pac.org.za; 
wgaj...@gmail.com; bulang...@gmail.com; mabitselada...@gmail.com; 
emadzu...@yahoo.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; milesndl...@yahoo.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tamulau...@hotmail.com; angwa...@webmail.co.za; 
lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com; lennox.maqw...@gmail.com; 
leon...@mpi.metropolitan.co.za; sibusiso.x...@gmail.com; tob...@yahoo.com; 
phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; aplamval...@gmail.com; 
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; luyand...@gmail.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za; kub...@telkomsa.net; 
vumilemof...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com; samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; 
mnyhon...@yahoo.com; maiv...@pac.org.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; 
samrad...@upd.co.za; dannymonar...@gmail.com; khoi.so...@gmail.com; 
a...@a-aprp-gc.org; a...@joburg.org.za; drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; 
victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; mphash...@webmail.co.za; 
ckoms...@yahoo.com; leratolepha...@ymail.com; ju-...@webmail.co.za; 
solomoncontrac...@gmail.com; nancykob...@webmail.co.za; znd...@hotmail.com; 
crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; ikeyisa...@gmail.com; 
oscarfelit...@gmail.com; gordon.mpi...@gmail.com; sibekowill...@yahoo.com; 
vemahla...@gmail.com; rakwe...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com

[PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

Some of us wonder as to for how long will this infighting continue? Social 
networks you speak peace and unity for PAC, but your actions towards each other 
is as such that you treat each other with vile as enemies. The earlier you wake 
and realise that sice May until to date more damage has been caused across the 
entire PAC. This blame game must come to an end, we are surely less impressed 
by your conduct, actually the amount of damaged caused, divisions sown and pain 
inflicted among PAC members and structures to date under your collective 
leadership has never been seen in our lifetime. 

The earlier you realise that PAC is operating without a constitutional and 
functional National Executive Council the better, it seems you are now smelling 
coffee. None of you can claim to legitimately represent NEC because both 11th 
and 18th May 2013 meetings divided PAC NEC.

Some of you have sufficiently blamed Cde Letlapa Mphahlele while others have 
blame Cde Narius Moloto for all the current conditions of PAC, actually you are 
hiding yourselves behind these two comrades, the sooner PAC branches and 
members see through all you and start to denounce for your deceit maybe this 
will assist. Two people cannot be wholly liable for the destruction of PAC, you 
are collaborators and shareholders in this destruction of PAC.  A polictail 
case been made against Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto, now the 
remainder NEC members should take full responsibility and accountability for 
the political  destruction taking place in PAC.

The image of PAC publicly is damaged and as PAC we have become a laughing stock 
or should I say a mocker. 2014 national elections poor performance of PAC will 
you take full responsibility.  Its illogical to claim that you are rescuing PAC 
from harm whilst you suffocate and inflict the very same PAC. M'Afrika, you 
have done enough damage, its enough you have proven your point. PAC branches 
and members deserves a state of sanity, PAC members are sick and tired about 
all this amorphous mess, Kwanele majoni-it's enough, what else are you proving? 
Because through your collective acts PAC is organisationally and politically is 
lifeless as matters stand, it must be revived, you are just finishing the 
remaining parts and semblance of PAC. Kwanele M'Afrika.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 

-Original Message-
From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] 
Sent: 17 October 2013 03:19 PM
To: Apa Pooe; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; 
frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; i...@bataufc.com; d...@pac.org.za; 
bennet_j...@yahoo.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; 
rammymfulw...@gmail.com; rateb...@webmail.co.za; smiz...@hotmail.com; 
smollozo...@gmail.com; bassiekam...@facebook.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
rako...@tut.ac.za; mja...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; bulang...@gmail.com; 
mabitselada...@gmail.com; emadzu...@yahoo.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; 
makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
milesndl...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tamulau...@hotmail.com; 
angwa...@webmail.co.za; lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com; lennox.maqw...@gmail.com; 
leon...@mpi.metropolitan.co.za; sibusiso.x...@gmail.com; tob...@yahoo.com; 
phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; aplamval...@gmail.com; 
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; luyand...@gmail.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za; kub...@telkomsa.net; 
vumilemof...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com; samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; 
mnyhon...@yahoo.com; nrkgag...@gmail.com; maiv...@pac.org.za; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; samrad...@upd.co.za; dannymonar...@gmail.com; 
khoi.so...@gmail.com; a...@a-aprp-gc.org; a...@joburg.org.za; 
drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; 
ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; mphash...@webmail.co.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 
leratolepha...@ymail.com; ju-...@webmail.co.za; solomoncontrac...@gmail.com; 
nancykob...@webmail.co.za; znd...@hotmail.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; 
ndhlo...@pac.org.za; ikeyisa...@gmail.com; oscarfelit...@gmail.com; 
gordon.mpi...@gmail.com; sibekowill...@yahoo.com; vemahla...@gmail.com; 
rakwe...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 
yolisamazo...@gmail.com; rmse...@gmail.com; ad...@pac.org.za; 
mvak...@gmail.com; Mzwandile Montjane
Subject: RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

WE ARE TAKING PAC NOWHERE. LETLAPA IS A FACTOR HERE AND AS HONEST REVOLUTIONARY 
CADRES WE MUST JUST ADVICE HIM TO ACCEPT HIS FATE SO THAT THE PAC CAN MOVE 
FORWARD. AS FOR OTHER THINGS WE WILL FIX INTERNALLY. MY TAKE IS WE SHOULD BOW 
DOWN AND REQUEST A UNITY MEETING SO THAT WE START ENGAGEMETS ON A FORMAL LEVEL 
TO NORMALISE PAC. AS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT HE MUST LODGE AN APPEAL TO THE 
NEC. 

-Original Message-
From: Apa Pooe 

RE: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

Comrade Linda and Comrade Mashao one fully endorses your view and a need to
focus and deepen the party on socialist revolutionary policy discourse and
direction; however this requires a total overhaul of the party's strategic
centre(s) of power. The 1959 PAC Leadership and subsequent generations were
never hostile to revolutionary science and policy programmes to overthrow
herrenvolkism and capitalism.  The very reason that today's PAC vacillate is
largely due to the recent years leaderships' ideological orientation and
character is not only bonapartist and fascist it is primarily nationalist
and comprador bourgeoisie thus has systematically used bureaucracy to
effectively frustrate and attack any form actions to focus the party
structures and members to deliberate and pursue revolutionary socialist
policies and programme on Pan African basis. Indeed that the socialist
outlook of the PAC is lacking largely because the party has suffers scarcity
of a leadership with a revolutionary socialist orientation and conviction,
the current PAC NEC is worse, that is, it is a combination of an outright
nationalist and comprador bourgeoisie which is in a path of wealth
accumulation, this character of leadership logically implies proponents of
revolutionary socialist ideas will face disguised constant capitalist
attacks. 

We must clean the rank and file membership and leading organs of the party
to be liberated from the comprador bourgeoisie political control and
direction. It is therefore imperative that the leading structures of the
party should be overhauled by removing the current bonapartist and fascist
comprador bourgeoisie by deploying party cadres and members determined to
drive and organise the party and rally the masses around socialist
revolutionary programme to overthrow the neo-colonial capitalist state and
eradicate white supremacy.  It is only when the leading organs of the party
are led by Pan Africanist genuinely committed to execute a socialist
programme that the African workers, peasants and youths will have the
organisational space to engage and debate the policy positions.

 Lest we forget that political power cannot be relinquished voluntarily,
thus our task is :-

1. to organise and mobilise willing and determined PAC branches and members
across the country;
2. to facilitate and coordinate regular monthly political education thus
encourage constructive political and ideological discussions among members
and branches;
3. to encourage branches and members in leading community based struggles;
4. to encourage branches, regions and members to join, support and lead
workers struggles in companies such as industrial areas, agricultural
sites-farms and mines;
5. to encourage branches and members to create community and workers
democratic forums and committees to set up minimum demands for social
change;
6. to distance ourselves from the prevalent comprador bourgeoisie court
battles;
7. to denounce the entire divisive leadership groupings which continues to
disregard and operate outside the PAC constitution and principles;


Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi


 -Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Matome Mashao
Sent: 19 September 2013 08:11 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mduduzi Sibeko
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development

Comrade Linda, your invite-call is noted. 

I fully hear you on the need to maintain strong policy positions. The
question is always what the point of reference is. In the case of the 1959
generation their point of reference was confrontation with the system and
Pan Africanism in general.

Our point of reference now can either be the prevailing system or the
overthrow of the system altogether. The former would seek to introduce
policy positions that will improve the system and that enhance the current
system to be somewhat responsive, while the latter would be the eradication
of the current system with policies concomitant with this frame of mind.

If what you are inviting us to do relates to the former, I am unavailable
for such a task for I can do it better as a civil servant if I decide to
join Govt work. However if you depart from the latter I take the challenge
and applaud you. The dilemma is always that the PAC for many years now has
been on a vacillation path, and actually the greatest disabler of Sobukwe 's
dream. The right thing, surely not the only, is for the PAC to adopt a
framework of overthrow and then everybody amongst us can get down to policy
development informed thereby. 

I am personally not available for any PAC activity that seeks to strengthen
the system, either overt or convert. If this is the path I decided to find
other things to do than engage in pleasantries of membership and
sloganeering.
If we decide we are on an overthrow path, like the masses are doing on their
own, I am game any day and I will risk my all !

So I take your challenge with the caveat

RE: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

Comrade Linda and Comrade Mashao one fully endorses your view and a need to
focus and deepen the party on socialist revolutionary policy discourse and
direction; however this requires a total overhaul of the party's strategic
centre(s) of power. The 1959 PAC Leadership and subsequent generations were
never hostile to revolutionary science and policy programmes to overthrow
herrenvolkism and capitalism. 

If M'Afrika Seroke and members of the Research Unit agreed, we can organise
a full weekend session composed of willing young and determined party
members for an intense discussions to formulate concrete set actions and
framework to rebuild and re-organise the PAC. We must rise up to the task
and charge. We can secure venues and accommodation for those coming far, for
once we spent time discuss how to breath life into the PAC, one believe such
a step will greatly make a significant contribution to revive the
revolutionary character of the PAC.

 The very reason that today's PAC vacillate is largely due to the recent
years leaderships' ideological orientation and character is not only
bonapartist and fascist it is primarily nationalist and comprador
bourgeoisie thus has systematically used bureaucracy to effectively
frustrate and attack any form actions to focus the party structures and
members to deliberate and pursue revolutionary socialist policies and
programme on Pan African basis. Indeed that the socialist outlook of the PAC
is lacking largely because the party has suffers scarcity of a leadership
with a revolutionary socialist orientation and conviction, the current PAC
NEC is worse, that is, it is a combination of an outright nationalist and
comprador bourgeoisie which is in a path of wealth accumulation, this
character of leadership logically implies proponents of  revolutionary
socialist ideas will face disguised constant capitalist attacks. 

For us the confronting us is in order to fulfil the conditions that govern
the science of history, similarly with Sobukwe and Marx to mention a few who
had to abandon their bourgeois and then petty-bourgeois class positions and
adopt the class positions of the proletariat. Using the perspective advanced
by Althusser that these class conditions are not 'given' in advance, that
all Marx's work contributed to their elaboration, makes no difference to
this principle: it is only from the point of view of the exploited class
that it is possible to discover, against all bourgeois ideology and even
against classical Political Economy, the mechanisms of those relations of
exploitation, the relations of production of a class society.

Furthermore, the party must be cleaned within its rank  and file membership
and leading organs of the party the comprador bourgeoisie political control
and direction which informs the organisation and the political attitude of
the party. It is therefore imperative that the leading structures of the
party should be overhauled by removing the current bonapartist and fascist
comprador bourgeoisie by deploying party cadres and members determined to
drive and organise the party and rally the masses around socialist
revolutionary programme to overthrow the neo-colonial capitalist state and
eradicate white supremacy.  It is only when the leading organs of the party
are led by Pan Africanist genuinely committed to execute a socialist
programme that the African workers, peasants and youths will have the
organisational space to engage and debate the policy positions.

 Lest we forget that party and state political power cannot be relinquished
voluntarily by the comprador bourgeoisie elite leadership-NEC, it should be
seized by all and necessary means dictated by the need to advance an African
proletarian socialist programme thus our immediate task on the party is :-

1. to organise and mobilise willing and determined PAC branches and members
across the country;
2. to facilitate and coordinate regular monthly political education thus
encourage constructive political and ideological discussions among members
and branches;
3. to form grass roots based African (proletariat) workers' and people's
driven structures operating along the principle of democratic control
4. to encourage branches and members in leading community based struggles;
5. to encourage branches, regions and members to join, support and lead
workers struggles in companies such as industrial areas, agricultural
sites-farms and mines;
6. to encourage branches and members to create community and workers
democratic forums and committees to set up minimum demands for social
change;
7. to distance ourselves from the prevalent comprador bourgeoisie court
battles;
8. to denounce the entire divisive leadership groupings which continues to
disregard and operate outside the PAC constitution and principles;


Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
linda ndebele
Sent: 19 September

[PAYCO] RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

On the recent debate at national assembly  around the Special Economic Zones
Act in the National Assembly , what was position did PAC MP present? Can we
be e-mailed the paper presented by the PAC MP, please! PAC at the National
Assembly is being accused for supporting a right wing capitalist agenda
contrary to its Aims and Objectives, it has been difficult to defend the
party without the actual paper which outlines the PAC NEC mandate response
on the Special Economic Zones Act debate, so having the actual paper will
greatly assist the on-going debates among researchers and academics. 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] 
Sent: 12 September 2013 04:24 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; mphi...@gmail.com; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com;
'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke'; g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng';
'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; jabumakha...@yahoo.com;
g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe'; ptob...@yahoo.com;
anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi Mnandi'; 'Luyanda
Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 'Jerry
Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe';
brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana'; dumisani...@gmail.com;
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe';
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe';
ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi
Mnandi'; 'Luyanda Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph
Thloloe'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo
Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana';
'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana';
dumisani...@gmail.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 'Vusi8 .'; 'Lesomepedi
Boshego'; ju-...@webmail.co.za; lifu.nhl...@gmail.com; rakwe...@yahoo.com;
'Albert Mokoena'; apap...@webmail.co.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
angwa...@webmail.co.za; pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'Pule Maqekoane'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com; mpumele...@gmail.com;
'Malesela Mogashwa'; ndimatongog...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za;
payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU
BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

 

Courage Comrade Nkrumah!

 

This are positive contributions that will help PAC emerge from its demise
and compromise position to assume a revolutionary character that was formed
to be. Ga e gole, ga e lwane, ga e kgaleme ya Azania!!

Azania Shall Prevail!!!

 

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:46 PM
To: mphi...@gmail.com; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi';
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe';
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe';
ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi
Mnandi'; 'Luyanda Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph
Thloloe'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo
Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana';
'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana';
dumisani...@gmail.com; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi';
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe';
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe';
ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi
Mnandi'; 'Luyanda Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph
Thloloe'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo
Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana';
'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana';
dumisani...@gmail.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 'Vusi8 .'; 'Lesomepedi
Boshego'; ju-...@webmail.co.za; lifu.nhl...@gmail.com; rakwe...@yahoo.com;
'Albert Mokoena'; apap...@webmail.co.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
angwa...@webmail.co.za; pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'Pule Maqekoane'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com; mpumele...@gmail.com;
'Malesela Mogashwa'; ndimatongog...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za;
payco@googlegroups.com; nrkgag...@gmail.com
Subject: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO
(18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

 

AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18
December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

It is at moments of need that one learns who one's friends

[PAYCO] RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

Where did the word Hippopotamus come from? origin of this word? Some say
this word describes the behaviour of this animal as it is submerged in the
water for according or in Zulu language bathi I-phuphutha manzi thus
becoming Hi-phuphuta-manzi, however a contrary view points to Greek
language, the Greek words hippos meaning horse and potamos meaning river
or rushing water. 

The Hippopotamus is a large semi-aquatic mammal that is found wallowing in
the rivers and lakes across sub-Saharan Africa. So this animal called
Hippopotamus is only found in Africa, how do the Greeks end up having a name
for an animal that does not exist in their country and continent? The Nguni
or Zulu descriptive word make sense for Zulu speaking Africans interact with
this animals at the rivers and natural dams just like many Africans across
the continent, however should we be that simplistic by accepting the
I-phuphutha- manzi notion?

I think the need of African Anthropologist to explain these questionable
social areas and organic development of African society prior colonialism is
necessary, since it is proven that Bureaucracy originate from China and
other Asian countries, then was exported to Europe, and then through
colonialism European capitalist adapted it to serve European Capitalist
expansion interest as they sought new markets thus took bureaucracy to other
parts of the world does not originate from Europe! African scholars must
begin to provide scientific account about primeval Africa and African
languages including Empires and States such as Zanj and Timbuktu! 

How African states and bureaucracies were structured and operated in
relation to social development and many facets of the society is of great
importance. This goes to extent of also questioning the history taught at
schools which might perpetuate European and Arabic notions and distortions
about the African people. It is highly regrettable that South African
Universities are failing play an objective emancipation role on research and
scholarly work on making the African history to be known and told,
university historian commonly cites and reference from one colonialist
entrepreneurship to the other on knowledge generation thus subjective
narrate the same notions advanced by Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations
about the indigenous Africans. 

 

As Marx said the ruling ideas will and shall be the ideas of the ruling
class, knowledge generation through universities in Africa today continues
to enjoy the dictates white supremacy and capitalism! 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] 
Sent: 12 September 2013 04:24 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; mphi...@gmail.com; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com;
'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke'; g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng';
'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; jabumakha...@yahoo.com;
g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe'; ptob...@yahoo.com;
anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi Mnandi'; 'Luyanda
Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 'Jerry
Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe';
brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana'; dumisani...@gmail.com;
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe';
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe';
ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi
Mnandi'; 'Luyanda Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph
Thloloe'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo
Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana';
'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana';
dumisani...@gmail.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 'Vusi8 .'; 'Lesomepedi
Boshego'; ju-...@webmail.co.za; lifu.nhl...@gmail.com; rakwe...@yahoo.com;
'Albert Mokoena'; apap...@webmail.co.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
angwa...@webmail.co.za; pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'Pule Maqekoane'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com; mpumele...@gmail.com;
'Malesela Mogashwa'; ndimatongog...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za;
payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU
BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

 

Courage Comrade Nkrumah!

 

This are positive contributions that will help PAC emerge from its demise
and compromise position to assume a revolutionary character that was formed
to be. Ga e gole, ga e lwane, ga e kgaleme ya Azania!!

Azania Shall Prevail!!!

 

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:46 PM
To: mphi...@gmail.com; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi';
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
g

FW: [PAYCO] Leaderless

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Narius Moloto
Sent: 06 March 2013 04:01 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Leaderless

Give substance for your suggestion mr makhanya.have you now replaced pac
branches and congress?pac leaders are elected and removed my the membersof
the party in goodstanding at the cogress.agents of destruction who get their
mandate from the enemies of the pac totaly disregard the constitutional
provision of the pac.you don't have the standing to make such a call.


Regards,

Narius Moloto
General Secretary
BCAWU
Tel: 011 333 0881
Fax: 086 520 0413
E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za




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Sent: 06 March 2013 02:14 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Leaderle
It has always been to the expectations that the PAC NEC would from
time-to-time re-act to developing events both local and international but to
the emb arassment of the PAC members the party remains leaderless. Of
lately, Hugo Chavez is no more, Marikana and farms strikes swept the
country, e-tolls debacle is causing headache, fuel-price hikes which can be
subsidized is reaping havoc. The so called party leaders are comfortably
silent.  Which other tools do they need to steer the masses. Letlapa
Mphahlele appears to be a walking dead-man, his SG, Narius Moloto is
obssessed with power working for more than three organisation as the
secretary-general, this is madness. He cannot issue at least a three-lines
media statement re-affirm  ing PAC policies. With the exception of  other
NEC members who are trying to save the PAC, the entire top-six must step
aside, they're completely useless for the party progress. They 've to recall
that they enforced Butterworth congress and they contested their current
positions willingly and knowingly about challenges ahead. They have sold
out, let them go!

Jabu   

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[PAYCO] FW: Venue Change for Panel Discussion

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**CHANGE OF VENUE*** 

Panel Discussion on 
When Governments Work: why the public service matters

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Joel Netshitenzhe, Executive Director (MISTRA) and former Director of Policy in 
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The Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection (MISTRA),  Public Affairs 
Research Institute (PARI) and Friedrich Ebert Stiftung (FES) bring together a 
panel of major African and Asian scholars and thought leaders to share their 
views and experiences on the fortunes of post-independence governments.

The panel discussion inaugurates a two day conference on 'African State 
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***Change of Venue***



 


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RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

The more things change, the more they remain the same or worse!

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Xola
Sent: 03 September 2013 10:00 AM
To: PAYCO
Subject: Re: [PAYCO]

 

Echoing mmAfrika Fikiswa, events will take place, whether those that think
they can make a difference partake in PAC events or not. Interesting how
many, who rubbished the Butterworths Congress are the same people who have
all the solutions to PAC's problems from the comfort of their lazyboys
(couches). 

The PAC has indeed groomed a multitude of professional fault-finders who
seem to master name calling, with some not even belonging to a structure or
attending a single PAC event. Facebook and PAYCO Google are not enough noble
sons and daughters of the African soil, your solutions would come in handy
at relevant platforms. 

Izwe lethu! 

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

  _  

From: Fikiswa Ntshwanti fikis...@gmail.com 

Sender: payco@googlegroups.com 

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:35:42 +0200

To: paycopayco@googlegroups.com

ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: [PAYCO]

 

Dear MÁfrika Makhanya

 

I hope you are well.I want to assume that you are not one of those WHO are
in the dark and therefore want to remind you that it is our responsiblity to
shed the light so we can achieve the PAC we all want to see. 

 

I am curious about how you got to the conclusion that the 9-10 August 2013
conference was filled with delegates just to appease the mass media. Kindly
expand Child of the Soil. It is important to make statements that can be
supported if we want to move towards the PAC we all want to see. 

 

 

Izwe lethu

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM, jabumakha...@yahoo.com
jabumakha...@yahoo.com wrote:

With several parties already garnering for suppport in the eve of the
forthcoming national elections next year,  most PAC sympathisers and members
are still in the dark whether their party do have skilful leaders to take
this party to the next  upper level.
With what others have referred to as a national conference held recently, it
appears the delegates were just filled in to appease the mass media. So far
there is no action which indicates there has been such a conference. Leaders
must begin realizing that they cannot talk about party-building while
side-lining independant-thinking members.
I also appeal to the so called super-regions to scrutinize whatever mandate
they give to those they perceive as their leaders.

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[PAYCO] Party Leadership and Cadreship

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Organisations that enjoyed progress and success are led by people who
possess the following qualities mentioned below, in developing a cadreship
for the party and indentifying any member for leadership role this can
serve as a basic criterion.

We hope this will assist PAC branches and members, as we forge ahead to
unite the PAC.

Four cornerstones are:

■Character. The mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual.
When you hear someone described as a “person of character,” you get a
positive, leadership image.

■Credibility. The capability of being trusted. Credibility is a critical
element to success. You will lead your organisation through sometimes murky
waters while dealing with larger entities who may hesitate in doing
business with a small entity whose leader doesn’t possess the utmost
credibility. Remember these words: “I can’t do business with you if I can’t
trust you.”

■Integrity. Having strong moral principles. This goes hand in hand with
credibility and character. There are times in our business lives when we’ve
been offered opportunities that were less than honest. The result may be a
leg up on the competition or an easier path. In essence, it’s nothing more
than a cornerstone test. We’ve all seen the disgraced leaders in newspapers
and on television who failed the cornerstone test. Remember their faces,
tears and shame. It’s all a result of a poorly built foundation.

■Vision. Seeing what others cannot see. I’ve always aspired to be a person
who challenges himself to see what others cannot see. This cornerstone is
critical in times of crisis when there is no clear path.

In addition

(1) Love for the African people
(2) Mastery of the history of struggle and its lessons
(3) Mastery of Pan Africanism (African nationalism and socialist ideology)
(4) Dedication to the cause for revolution
(5) Revolutionary and organisational discipline

It would seem to that any superficial analysis of these aspects of Pan
Africanist cadreship and leadership would immediate take us to the root
cause of the party crises: Lack of an organised cadreship.

To us it is not surprising why the many feuding petit bourgeois factions of
opportunism are all agreed to undermine the courageous efforts to
re-organise and develop a strong non-partisan cadreship movement. Needless
to say, we assured of victory.

We will win!
On 15 Aug 2013 18:08, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 Aug 2013 18:06, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 M'Afrika Fihla

 It is regrettable that you opted to be subjective on your approach and
 analysis, to further insinuate of I being opportunistic like Zulu and
 reduce the whole argument to Narius -Kgagudi.

 We interact on daily basis with PAC members, it is illogical of anyone of
 us to act as if the 11 May and 18 May NEC groupings meeting caused a split
 and as matters stands before us, PAC has branches rallied around and
 against the two warrying NEC groupings. We opted not to side with anyone of
 the warrying groupings but maintain the principled position as outlined in
 the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code. Both the two groupings had
 failed dismally to prove correctness of their acts and decisions, to work
 and support any of the two amounts to condone negation of principles amd
 form part of political mayhem.

 It is evident that either by design or not, you could not to comprehend
 the position we advance on the prevalent split of the PAC.

 Maybe the Zulu's position should be analysed and determine if indeed Zulu
 was opportunistic or he held a principled unpopular position, it is common
 knowledge that under PK divine leadership PAC suffered seriously and to a
 larger extent has been parallysed until Chairman John Nyathi Pokela
 ascending to leadership. PAC under Letlapa's leadership and later supported
 by the party builder has sufferred the same.

 The position I hold is not Kgagudi's position, however it has been
 determined by PAC branches in Johannesburg Region. It is a matter of
 principle and if you are not happy about it please do not reduce it
 Kgagudi's position, it surely be necessary to shown how mistaken is our
 position. We will always respect princpled positions of the party and not
 hesitate to denounce unprincipled position such as the 11 May and 18 May
 mayhem including the subsequent events such as the Vaal and Birchwood
 disunity gatherings.  We will not be victims of any form of sophistry,
 espacially a nationalist comprador bourgousie deciet.

 If Mpethi has been sworn in parliament, this still does not cut cheese.

 I thought your interests is to unite PAC branches and members, it seems I
 was highly mistaken.

 If comrades have a strong belief that tge 11 May NEC Grouping did well
 for PAC, then focus on that programme as oppossed to smear campaign and
 subjective analysis.

 Nonetheless, we will proceed to urge PAC members and branches to unite
 and focus on principled party political

RE: [PAYCO] Malema

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Any PAC member(s) who claims that Malema steals PAC policies and ideas are
seriously mistaken, this utterance exposes his\her ideological bankruptcy,
this again also exposes the political and ideological risk confronting the
PAC as a Pan Africanist liberation movement. Malema and EFF represent an
ultra-nationalist bourgeoisie, a comprador bourgeoisie cartel full of
revolutionary nationalist rhetoric.  This ultra nationalist comprador
bourgeoisie point of contradiction is their exclusion from wealth
accumulation of looting from the state. Malema and EFF are not advancing a
social-political programme that aims at overthrowal of capitalism and white
supremacy, ai programme that aims a social and political transformation of
the society and the state based and underpinned by a socialist principles.
I can only urge PAC members and leaders to dedicate themselves to know and
master the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto as a point of departure, followed
by the PAC Commissars Field Manual and the New Road to Revolution.
Secondly, for PAC to emerge as a vibrant party, it should resolve all
structural and organisational weakness prevalent. Thirdly and lastly, there
should be focused on formulating execution strategy/plan based on clearly
defined and quantified results, the execution strategy of the 1959 Pan
Africanist manifesto which serves as broader political programme of the
party. 

Pan Africanism to us means The total liberation and unification of Africa
under an All-African Socialist Government must be the primary objective of
all Black revolutionaries throughout the world. It is an objective which,
when achieved, will bring about the fulfilment of the aspirations of African
and people of African descent everywhere. It will at the same time advance
the triumph of the international socialist movement. -Osagyefo Kwame
Nkrumah

All wealth to the poor, Forward with the struggle of the African peasants
and the workers, African Unity and Socialism in our lifetime!!!

Nkrumah


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Subject: [PAYCO] Malema

The acting  PAC president, Mphethi was quoted blasting EFF leader, Malema
for stealing what he called PAC policies. I was all along in the knowledge
that these policies have been in the existence even before the PAC was born.
The purpose of mass mobilisation is to educate masses across the board. Once
someone has acquired knowledge, that person has a right to act without any
fear. Since post 1994, PAC leaders have failed dismally to articulate PAC
stance and therefore ordinary masses know little about the PAC. Today, we
have  PAC leaders who spend much of their time sitting in offices expecting
members to be in the forefront. This trend has led to the  downfall of the
party.  At this juncture, Malema has seized the opportunity to talk about
issues which appeal to masses. If the PAC is no longer linked to masses,
others have a right to do so outside the PAC parameters. I recently visited
Botlokwa in Limpompo, many PAC members have crossed to EFF because they
think Malema is preaching policies similar to those of the PAC and the
difference is that PAC leaders lead with expectatons of receiving accolades
from the ANC ruling party.   

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[PAYCO] FW: 7yr old boy and 4mnth old girl abducted and raped - is society at fault here?

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

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[PAYCO] PAC MUST UNITE TO FULFIL ITS HISTORIC TASKS AND ROLE

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

I have come to believe and accept that the only innate elements of great
cadres to advance any revolutionary programme evolves around passion and
energy, with the following cornerstones Integrity, Gratitude, Decency,
Vision (ideological clarity and conviction), and Character. These elements
are the core of what we should epitomize so as to stand out for anyone
person and/or a leader to be categorized as a cadres fit for a leadership
role and fit to advance the revolution. We must refrain from resorting to
highly questionable character, we being driven by desperate (and grudges),
and the party (or we) place them in position(s) of responsibility within the
party and in communities (or as public representatives).

At the same, we should be careful of mouthing, revolutionary this or that,
while our ideological orientation and methods of political including our
actual daily deeds and thoughts are far detached from revolutionary theory
and we lack basic qualities (or elements and features) of a cadreship to led
and advance the revolution. Political theoretical clarity since from it we
draw and generate that which we envisages, therefore it is a primary
requirement for party members and especially those members' entrusted with a
leadership responsibility. 

Being an angry ultra African nationalists does necessarily make one a Pan
Africanist, sure one can oppose white supremacy as a nationalist but being
comfortable with capitalism! Also being an African traditionalist does
translates on being a grounded Pan Africanist. Some African nationalist
aspires to rid white capitalists such that they can proceed with the free
market system as black capitalist. 

We are at the stage where-at political theoretical clarity and adherence
(that is, ideological grounding on Pan Africanism) cannot be an area of
compromise. If we speak of revolutionary characters, maybe should also study
qualities of leaders such as Sobukwe, Pokela, Raboroko, Mothopeng and many
others, as to what made them unique and they could rise above mediocrity and
fulfil to the political tasks at hand. It is worth also necessary to study
and analyse various leaders (or leaderships), the emergence and impact of
formations such as Sobukwe Forum and other nationalist entities, some
continue to masquerade as Pan Africanist formations, therefore we must dig
deep and analyse as to what ideological thrust do these characters advance? 

At the same time, we must not underestimate the astute foxy methods of the
comprador bourgeoisie's sophistry learning from the betrayal of Captain
Thomas Sankara by an African Comprador Bourgeoisie agents of capital
imperialism and white supremacy. 

The principled determination to achieve unity of PAC branches and members
should continue without compromising principled aspects as articulated in
the PAC basic documents. We should at all-time be cognisant of the fact
that, divisions within the PAC serves and advances the interest of enemies
of Pan Africanism, therefore as PAC members we should accept to have
disagreement and remain unified and stronger as we advance the Aims and
Objectives of the PAC. As opposed to disagreeing in such a manner that leads
to further dividing and weakening the PAC ultimately being incapable to
focusing and advancing Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  

Shango Lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

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[PAYCO] The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Organisations, Individuals, Human and Women's rights groups to endorse and
join the campaign by contacting:

Johannesburg:


Molefe Pilane at 079 239 6808 / mol...@wwmp.org.za
Sipho Mthathi at 071 635 8668 / sip...@npaid.org
Tiny Magija 073 244 9394/ t...@wwmp.org.za

Cape Town:


Martin Jansen at 082 870 2025 / mar...@wwmp.org.za
Christina Fisa at 021 447 2727/ recept...@wwmp.org.za

 

From: Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 August 2013 08:43 AM
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payco@googlegroups.com; Horatio Motjuwadi; Jaki Seroke; g...@nactu.org.za;
Malesela Mogashwa; Mpumelelo Rulumente; PASMA Gauteng; Advocate K Sizani;
Zamikhaya Gxabe; jabumakha...@yahoo.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; Narius
Moloto; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; Zukisa Mxesibe;
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Johnson; Julian Mohlala; Kindo Makhanda; Khethamabala Sithole; Baliwinile
Kwankwa; KK Kekana; Kgomotso Matsebe; Khensani Teffu; Nkrumah Raymond
Kgagudi; Danny Monareng
Subject: PAC AUGUST CONFERENCE

 

Izwe lethu M'afrika

 

M'frika Moloto (SG) or any NEC members can you urgently provide details for
the PAC Conference ACCOMMODATION AND MEALS.  

 

Or Are we supposed to arrange our own accommodation and meals, or will they
be provided at Birchwood Conference Centre?

 

Izwe lethu

 

Ndima

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[PAYCO] Pan Africanist Study and Research Circle

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

We are engaging academics and researchers to form a Pan Africanist Study and 
Research Circle, aiming to build and create a pool o dedicated Pan Africanist 
contribute in the advancement of Pan Africanism and strengthening Pan 
Africanist Organisations And Programmes from Azania and across the African 
Continent.

 

The organisation of Pan Africanists who are academics and researchers areas 
hoping to link them and their work to the advancement of PAC Aims and 
Objectives through this formation. This will be later expanded across the 
continent.  We have academics in Wits University and we are busy identifying 
other institutions such as University of Johannesburg etc. We will also draw in 
students and workers as time goes on. The Circle will meet twice or once a 
months in Parktown. 

 

We currently have academics from various parts of Africa willing to make a 
contribution on this project.

 

Comrades with interest can avail themselves and send us their details. 

 

Shango lashu!

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

074 922 6361

 

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[PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 Raymond Kgagudi

Johannesburg Region Preparatory Committee

We 

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RE: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 as you are former NEC that seems so obsessed with the
constitution. How can the PAC achieve all these great ideas you always
publicize when it has comrades like you who take forever to just organize
100 people(5 branches). Every time you think about publicly questioning PAC
leadership, dedicate a paragraph and inform us on how far are you with
launching JHB region, then after lets see all these great ideas you preach
in action. There is a complementary relations between theory and practice.
It is an element of ill discipline to question the authority and directives
of the leadership in public platforms as much as making public
pronunciations on behalf of PAC JHB region branches without being given the
authority whether there is 1,2 or 3 branches.

The office of PAC SG communicated and directed 3 provinces to be going to
Provincial Congresses(Eastern Cape,Gauteng and Limpopo) with dates and this
is just for your information not for me and you to discuss it here on public
platforms. If you have issues with that there is a National Conference in a
few days which also will be guided by the PAC constitution. Again there
section 5.4 of the PAC Constitution will be guiding us.

5.4 Branches that are in full compliance with their fees shall be entitled
to be represented at the National Congress by one delegate for every 20
members. 

if u allow anger and emotions to dominate you..your ability to reason
degenerates

Yours truly

Eddie Mfulwane

 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

Comrade Mothelo and all PAC Gauteng Branches and Members

 

Today, the 30th July 2013, we have just learn that you are organising a
Gauteng Provincial Congress, as Johannesburg Region we know nothing of such
a provincial congress and Johannesburg Region Branches were never consulted
and did not form part of any meetings held on the matter. We strongly advice
that it will be in the best in interests of the PAC that the envisaged
Provincial Congress should be abandon and priority should be the unification
of Gauteng PAC branches and members in light of parallel structures formed
which deepens divisions within the PAC. Since we have not received the
proposed date, we also suggest that the Gauteng Provincial Conference should
take place as follows:

 

 Venue: Johannesburg Civic Centre or University
of Johannesburg (Central for all Gauteng branches)

Date : 23rd (Friday) - 25th (Saturday) August 2013

 

Therefore, the inclusive Gauteng Provincial Conference should analyse the
political and organisational state of the PAC, having noted that the party
is being held in paralysis deliberately through the feuding of these 2
factions namely Letlapa-Narius NEC Factions which are in actual fact
partners in fulfilling the bidding of the ruling bourgeois bureaucracy.
Political resolution of this situation requires a well-structured and
organised Pan Africanist cadreship that will not only rebuild the party
(ideological, structures and a PoA), but furthermore out root the deployed
agent provocateurs, but also redirect the party towards the African
proletariat and focus on seizure of state political power through
internetworking with other parties, social movements, community based
organisations, unions and vanguard proletarians to declare war against the
ruling bourgeois bureaucracy its petit bourgeois apologists AND most
importantly- against the labour aristocracy. This requires the establishment
of cadreship-led nuclei in all major work places, communities, schools and
campuses to coordinate the execution of the PoA for the proletarian seizure
of state power.

 

We put before you that there should be an inclusive Gauteng Provincial
Conference which should consider the following:-

A.The current state of paralysis can be overcome through a
well-orchestrated reconnection of all progressive elements in the party in
Gauteng province and unification of branches and members, and as PAC
branches and members based on a clarified programme and approach our
collective political work should lead to the removal of the deployed agent
provocateurs and factionalists in the NEC and PAC as whole; convening of an
all-inclusive Provincial Conference that must adopt a Programme of Action,
and election of a capable and committed leadership based on the PoA. This
necessitates urgent ground work to remobilize structures and cadres to
boycott the current factional machinations (including the August conference)
and to redirect our efforts towards galvanising of the Azanian proletariat
and youths.

B. We must build a strong cadreship base for struggles ahead against the
neo-colonial system, this infighting is wasting our energies and our time.

C.Branches, Regions and Provinces in future should be led by
ideologically grounded party members with a strong activist culture. 

D.   In rebuilding the PAC, we must also work towards

RE: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

 

Sadly, this discussion has degenerated, I see no logic of further
discussions, such serves no purpose. Matters of principle remains a such,
matters of principle, we said it before such principled positions will
expose those sincere and those self-serving individuals. 

 

Lastly, it has become evident, once happened in the early 1990 and late 1990
it repeats itself, we are witnessing a re-alignment of a comprador
bourgeoisie within the PAC, a two line struggle will always manifest itself
in terms of personalities. The revolutionary Pan Africanist political line
is under siege.   

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cape 
Sent: 30 July 2013 04:13 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF
BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

 

Factual, I was not part of the NEC of 2006, I was not part of the NDC that
expel Charg-In but the decision of the NEC binds me as loyal member of the
party in that time., 3rd I was a delegate in QwaQwa I never hi-jack the
Congress I only participated in the proceedings. I know other cdes are still
bitter even today, on how the lost the congress. If don't have support and
delegate that support your vision you cry fowl. I don't think that you know
Cde but you hear that there is Nofuma in the current NEC, it is fact I must
confirm that.

 

 

MoAfrika Eddie, you are hopeless for a youth leader, I doubt If MASHAO knows
you. Eddie, you know nothing about PAC, YOU are a TODDLER Badly Brought UP.
It seems you can't outgrow being A Narius Moloto employee in BCAWU, your
loyalty blinds your judgement.MoAfrika Nofuma, I was reminded that you are
part of Narius NEC, it seems you benefit materially from this divisions,
how? time will tell. It is embarrassing for you to accuse KGAGUDI about
QWAQWA CONGRESS WHEN YOURSELVES WITH MAMPANE AND TEENAGE HIJACKED THE
NATIONAL CONGRESS AND AFTER WITH CAMERON TABANE LOOTED PARTY FUNDS
WITHOUTACCOUNTING. YOU NOFUMA AND SIYA NDAMANE, NTOMZIMA AND MAMPANEWERE
HAPPY TO SUSPEND AND EXPEL CHARGE-IN MABASO FROM PAC WITHOUT A DISCPLINARY
HEARING, BY THEN YOU WERE FRIENDS OF LETLAPA.

 

 

 

KGAGUDI is correct, he speaks the truth the powers and DEFENDS PAC
CONSTITUTION AND BASIC DOCUMENTS

 

 

 

THIS IS DISGUSTING AND DISSAPPOINTING, THE WAY YOU DEFEND FACTIONALISM IT IS
SO SCARY, SOBUKWE AND RABOROKO MUST BE TURNING IN THEIRGRAVES.

 

 

 

KGAGUDI, YOU ARE WAISTING YOUR TIME AND TALENT, SON OF SOIL! THESE GUYS ARE
ALSO CAPABLE OF KILLING YOU, THE WAY THEY HATE YOU!

 

 

 

PEOPLE LIKE SIPHO TSHABALALA, DR GILINGWE MAYENDE, ADVOCATE MOSENEKEAND
OTHERS LEFTAND STOOPED BEING ACTIVE OF MEMBERS PACBECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED OF
BEING INSULTED, TODAY SEE WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE IS PAC!

 





On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM, eddie mfulwane rammymfulw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cde Raymaond


It is very sad and disappointing to see cde of your caliber turning himself
into a directionless anarchist, who just boost with ideological jargon and
rhetoric. Seemingly there is nothing you know about the PAC development as
you are always claiming that the so call 'JHB Region knows nothing about
everything that the leadership of the Party is announcing. Firstly cde
RAYMOND when Letlapa was removed, you were on about you as JHB Region
requesting minutes and a signed roll call of NEC members who attended the
meeting. It is absolute embarrassment that as a former NEC members with all
the credentials you have you can boldly utter such or maybe we must ask u to
remind us when have you and your NEC send out any of such nature to any
lower structure of the party??. NEC does not report and account to any
individual who says izwe lethu to it or any individual who has access to
this Google group but it reports and accounts in Congress/Conference.
Secondly cde RAYMOND the re is an administrative reason that you should have
understood a long time ago that if u are not a member of a constitutional
structure of the PAC, DO NOT expect the PAC to keep you up to date with its
internal affairs, you guys need to keep your focus on making JHB Region a
constitutional structure in terms of the PAC constitution, build branches.
Section 12. of the PAC Constitution is a great answer to all these questions
you are raising regarding the up coming Gauteng Provincial Congress.


12.2 Provincial Congress shall be held at such a time and place as may be
decided upon by the previous provincial congress and in absence of such, by
the PEC, or as directed by the NEC.


The focus from your side must be kept on section 15.3 of the PAC
constitution


15.3 Minimum number of five branches shall form a regiont

This means only hundred members cde RAYMOND and its been many months you
have speaking on behalf of a team that is trying to build that region until
today you are still organizing. As a leader i thought you would know some of
this basics

RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Sibeko, thanks for sharing Bennie Bunsee writing on M'Afrika  Ace
Mgxashe

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mduduzi Sibeko
Sent: 26 July 2013 03:04 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO]

 

 

Ace Mgxashe leaves behind a broken PAC

 

July 24 2013 at 04:13pm 

 

 




 

Description: 371104

 

 

 

Ex-QDMS

 

Ace Mgxashe

 

 

Bennie Bunsee 

 

 

When Ace Mgxashe passed away on Sunday at his home in Table View, he joined
the list of senior PAC (Pan Africanist Congress of Azania) members and
leaders who laid the foundations of the organisation in the 1960s and who
are now dead. 

 

He follows in the wake of Joe Mkwanazi, Keke Hamilton, Mfanesekhaya Gqobose,
Glen Mpukane, Zebulon Mokoena, Barney Desai, Vijay Megan, Imam Haroun,
Cardiff Marney, Kenny Jordaan and George Peake - the last six being
non-Africans from Cape Town of sterling political character. 

 

Ace's death has stripped the PAC of the very last of its outstanding
members, a void now filled by immature elements with little experience of
the organisation, its history, its historical aspirations, its struggles,
its achievements and its follies. 

 

Ace died in the manner which befitted him as a writer, author and
journalist: at his computer from a sudden cardiac arrest. He was 69, a
diabetic with high blood pressure. When he returned from exile in Dar es
Salaam, he worked for the Cape Argus and from there had a stint with the
Desmond Tutu Foundation. 

 

Brought up to believe in the resurrection of the African people and nation
in the country, he found the repression of Africanist aspirations in the
country frustrating, as it was for the likes of Dikgang Moseneke, Joe
Thloeloe, Thami Mazwai, Christine Qunta, journalist Matthew Nkoana of Drum
fame, and Pitika Ntuli. But the anti-Africanist combination of the colonial
regime and the ANC under Mandela was too powerful to break. 

 

He tried to revive the PAC and called a conference in Cape Town. But the
internal squabbles frustrated its development. 

 

It is where the PAC finds itself today. 

 

In exile, Ace was a regular contributor to the PAC journal Azania News and
its military newsletter Azania Combat. Ace was among the first members of
the PAC who carried forward the African nationalist themes of Anton Lembede
and Ashby Peter Mda, and before them of Sol Plaatje. This happened after the
formation of the white Union of South Africa and the passing of the Land Act
of 1913. 

 

The SA Native Congress - as the ANC was then known was - formed as the
nationalist aspirations of the African people came together. It was this
tradition that Ace pursued up to the time he died, and which he tried to
revive. He recorded his experiences and views in the first volume of his
book called Are You With Us which was launched at Exclusive Books at the
Waterfront (and which incidentally never got a review, as he told me, in any
of our media). 

 

I recall the glee with which he completed the first chapter of his second
volume. Perhaps when he died at his computer, he was working on that book.
He consulted me then for documents and advice. It was to be his final
contribution to the PAC cause, and also a record of the history of the PAC
up to the present. 

 

 

The PAC was banned a few years after it was formed and much of its history
took place in exile. And it was in exile that a large part of Ace's
political life was formed and developed, a truncation between home and away
that has had a debilitating effect on our liberation movements. 

 

In exile, Ace and the PAC were influenced by the likes of Walter Rodney,
Mahmood Mamdani, Dan Nabudere, Yash Tandon, Milton Obote, Yoweri Museveni,
the senior Joseph Kabila, Eduardo Mondlane and Jose Eduardo Dos Santos, and
Zanu leaders under the benign patronage of Julius Nyerere. 

 

Dar es Salaam buzzed with revolutionary discussions and activities. It was
also at the height of Maoism worldwide and the PAC was not exempt from that
influence. 

 

Ace and his comrades - led by TM Ntantlala, who was related to the
illustrious Jordan family - tried to steer the PAC towards the formation of
a Marxist-Leninist party. This led to the greatest crisis in Ace's life and
of the 100 or so comrades in the group to which he belonged. 

 

Their move was opposed by Potlako Leballo, who was supported by the youth
that flooded into Dar es Salaam. 

 

The leadership were defeated at a conference in Morogoro and expelled from
the PAC. It was the greatest crisis in the history of the PAC. It never
recovered. 

 

Undefeated, Ace and his group immediately formed the APRP (Azanian Peoples
Revolutionary Party). They published the best political programme to come
out of the country's history, a mature mixture of Marxism and Africanism.
But it was too late. Ace and many like him ended their political lives in
limbo. 

 

Africanism and 

[PAYCO] RE: SALVAGE THE PAC THROUGH ORGANISATIONAL DISCPLINE AND PROGRAMME

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Mohlomphegi

I will gladly appreciate that you specify those methods you dissapprove,
maybe the is a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of perspective.

Regards

Nkrumah
On 19 Jul 2013 13:22, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote:

  Cadre Nkrumah

 ** **

 Though I sometimes differ with some of the issues you raise I however
 would like to applaud your effort in trying all within your powers to drive
 unity of purpose and party political consciousness within our movement.
 Your submissions have a great potential to trigger a correct political
 consciousness and direction among the membership. If as cadres we can
 interpret you correctly and positively that can help us emerge victors in
 all the problems influenced by capitalism we are facing in our party. Keep
 it up Joni.

 ** **

 Izwe Lethu

 ** **

 ** **

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 *Subject:* SALVAGE THE PAC THROUGH ORGANISATIONAL DISCPLINE AND PROGRAMME*
 ***

 ** **

 *SALVAGE THE PAC THROUGH ORGANISATIONAL DISCPLINE AND PROGRAMME*

 To salvage the PAC, we must act in unison based on a shared ideological
 perspective and objectives. Again I urge comrades to rise in defense and
 advance of a revolutionary programme from the branch to regional structures
 level, thereby commit to undertake

[PAYCO] SALVAGE THE PAC THROUGH ORGANISATIONAL DISCPLINE AND PROGRAMME

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

SALVAGE THE PAC THROUGH ORGANISATIONAL DISCPLINE AND PROGRAMME

To salvage the PAC, we must act in unison based on a shared ideological
perspective and objectives. Again I urge comrades to rise in defense and
advance of a revolutionary programme from the branch to regional structures
level, thereby commit to undertake the most logical step for those claiming
to be genuine Pan Africanists committed to pursue a socialist revolutionary
programme for total liberation and unification of Africa to overthrow white
supremacy and capitalism should:- 

1.   PAC members and branches which embraces Pan Africanism as a
revolutionary theory for social and political change should close ranks and
function as a cohesive unified force. 

 

2.   Break ties with existing factions and denounce any divisive leader as
an agent provocateur, denouncing individuals and leaders who are sowing
divisions within the party is a pivotal and necessary act to salvage and
unify the PAC branches and members thus position the PAC to pursue its
historical task as outlined in the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto.

3.   Forge unity in action based on a common political agenda and programme
as articulated by the five Aims and Objectives of the PAC. 

 

 

4.   Involve yourselves and party structures such as branches and regions in
community mass mobilisation programmes and mass political education
campaigns aiming to heighten the people's class consciousness and interest.

5.   Sharpen the contradiction by forming part of the workers and
communities mass struggles and protests. Organise communities and workers in
a systematic and organised form to enable them to successfully carry out and
advance the tasks of the revolution at all times 

Out of our collective political and organisational activities PAC should
materialise and rise qualitatively irrespective of the numerical aspect or
strength of branches and other party structures, trough organisational
discipline focused on a programme we are capable to move and relocate
mountains and water of the rivers. Today, PAC is politically and
organisationally non-functional it matters less which leader(s) you blame,
we only have uncoordinated and scattered activities and organs. It matters
most as to what forms of actions we undertake and how effectively we contain
and neutralise disruptive occurrences and behaviours. Members and branches
should resist factionalism palatable as it may sound, for tends to be
characterised with sound bites of progress whilst inherent it represents
ideo-political and organisational decay-rot and degeneration. Peruse actions
of yourself, other comrades and structures against the political task at
hand and fulfilling the PAC historical task as outlined in the 1959 Pan
African Manifesto, determine is political actions contributes towards
realisation of the PAC's historic task guided by the principle of criticism
and self-criticism, rectify mistaken idea and methods and forge ahead with
party programmes execution.  

 We must re-organise and re-build the PAC for revolutionary battles ahead,
seizure of state political power is depended on our collective, unified and
focused political work which integrate PAC in the people's daily struggles,
we must win the masses to embrace the ideas advanced by the PAC. As Pokela
once said PAC is the African people and the African People are PAC, this can
only be realised when each and every PAC member and branches succeed in
working with the masses- organising and leading socio-economic struggles
based on the people's immediate demands linked to the fundamental long terms
political objectives of the Party. 

PAC branches and members should join and form part of trade unions protests
supporting workers' demand and also strengthening the trade unions fighting
capacity by also deepening democratic workers control of trade union and
building workers organisation and fighting capacity at shop floor level. The
same approach and methods should be applied to our respective communities.
We must act with transparency and account as per the party constitution for
all our political work to advance the five Aims and Objectives of the PAC.
Members, branches, leaders and all party structures should realise that they
present to the masses the image and integrity of what and how Government and
the State will be under PAC! 

 

If the current leadership fails, we should not form part of their failures,
PAC Must Rise from the Ashes as a result of our Collective Political Work
and Organisational Discipline.

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

PAC Pimville Branch (Member)

e-mail: nrkgag...@gmail.com

mobile number: 074 922 6361

 

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

PAC Johannesburg Region branches and members, kindly Click the link below
and complete names of delegates from your branch to attend the Johannesburg
Regional Congress on the 28th July 2013.

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Hard copies will also be distributed to branches. For any assistance
communicate to any members of the Johannesburg Regional Congress Preparatory
Committee.

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] RE: My view

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

This infighting will proceed until when? It has become evident and crystal
clear, the purpose of PAC's existence has been long forgotten! PAC's
programmes including Aims and Objectives are forgotten!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

-Original Message-
From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 04 July 2013 01:47 PM
To: Tongogara Ndima
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Subject: My view


Comrades,

The organization is floating deeper into confusion and that confusion is
perpetrated by people who are called leadership and those who seek to safe
guard their personal gains. . .

We can call as many gatherings in trying to make things right. . . it is
clear that the leadership as elected in Butterworth is not interested in the
PAC but their personal interests.

Cde Letlapa Mphahlele, has to sit face to face with the NEC as elected in
Butterworth if they suspend him (right or wrongly), the PAC Constitution
gives avenues to appeal if one feels there is an unfair treatment on his/her
hearing.

This applies to Cdes Mpethi, Moloto, Joko and any other person.

What we know as members and structures is that:

 i) the PAC NEC suspended, charged and expelled Cde. Mphahlele
ii) that Cde. Mphahlele went to court and prayed for
  a) 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting resolutions invalid
  b) his expulsion to be set aside
  c) dissolving NEC meeting constituted on the 11 MAY
2013
   iii) the court ORDER:
  a) the 11 MAY 2013 meeting is declared invalid
  b) the resolutions of this meeting are declared
invalid
  c) the expulsion is set aside
iv) the application for Leave of Appeal against the above ORDER has been
filed and confirmed at the
court roll.
 v) we know who are the NEC members who constituted the 11 MAY
2013 NEC meeting.

We also know that:

 1) Cde. Mphahlele convened an NEC meeting on the 18 MAY 2013
 2) PAC as an Applicant filed against Cde Mphahlele to bar the sitting
of the 18 MAY 2013 meeting
 3) the court ORDER:
  i

RE: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Mo-Afrika Maleka 

Your assessment is 100% correct, the continuing infighting within the NEC Split 
Into Two damages the image and integrity of the PAC.  2014 national elections 
are around the corner, there are no indications for preparations as PAC we will 
either retain or loose the same one (1) seat. Indeed, these are painful moments 
in which deep rooted factionalism ravages the party.  The 11th May, meeting is 
nothing else but a palace coup de tat. Also, crying about this occurrences 
matters less, PAC members and branches should unite on the basis of the PAC 
constitution, denounce factionalist leadership hiding in the words such as 
'unity'. Members must build strong and vibrant branches as a form of defending 
the PAC and for advancing the five (5) Aims and Objectives of the PAC.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 

-Original Message-
From: a.r.mal...@gmail.com [mailto:a.r.mal...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 June 2013 08:14 PM
To: nrkgag...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo

MOAFRICA I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR QUITE SOMETIME,IT IS SO PAINFULL TO SEE MY 
BELOVED ORGANISATION IN THIS STATE.WHY CAN'T THOSE GUYS AT NEC BURRY  THEIR 
DIFERENCES AND WORK FOR THE PARTY.WE ONLY HAVE ONE SEAT IN PARLIAMENT BUT 
EVERYTIME ITS PAC NEC WANT THIS AND THAT.MY FELLOW AFRICANS LET STOP BEING LIKE 
THE CHARTERISTS.SOME OF ARE IN THE PAC WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY WE DONT KNOW OTHER 
PARTY THAN PAC OF AZANIA.COME ON CHILDREN OF THE SOIL.IZWE  LETHU  

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Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:52:13 AM GMT+0200
Subject: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo

 

 

 

 

The Internal Memorandum dated 27th June 2013 signed by Narius Moloto Secretary 
General, paragraph 5 states the following: The members are encouraged to have 
reference to Rule 49 of the Uniform Rules of Court, read with the Supreme Court 
Act 59 of 59 states the following :- 

Where an appeal has been noted or an application for leave to appeal against 
or to rescind, correct, review or vary an order of a court has been made, the 
operation and execution of the order in question shall be suspended. 

 

Noting that Rule 49 is incomplete as it can be seen above (the operation and 
execution of the order in question shall be suspended.!). I then complied with 
the memo as it instructs, below it is the complete Section 49 Sub-Titled Civil 
Appeals from the High Court.

 

 


Legislation updated to: 26 June 2009 

 

UNIFORM RULES OF COURT1*

RULES REGULATING THE CONDUCT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE SEVERAL PROVINCIAL AND 
LOCAL DIVISIONS OF THE HIGH COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA

 

49 Civil Appeals from the High Court

 

(1) (a) When leave to appeal is required, it may on a statement of the grounds 
therefor be requested at the time of the judgment or order.

 

Section (11) States that Where an appeal has been noted or an application for 
leave to appeal against

[PAYCO] Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela's Legacy

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela's
Legacy

Commemoration held in Zepth Mothopeng (Orlando West) Branch, Uncle Tom's
Hall on the30th June 2013 at 10:00 - 17h30

Cadres and members of the party need to triple their efforts and close
ranks, to defend the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC) of Azania from the raging
factionalist feuding, petit bourgeois opportunism and ideological
revisionism. Unity efforts must be principled, sincere and all-embracing
(inclusive). Such opportunities must not be abused to advance factional
legitimation at the expense of broader organisational unity. As PAC, we have
a more daunting task ahead of us which the rallying and unification of the
African masses, and the striving to establish a United Socialist States of
Africa.

One of the greatest unifiers in our history was Cde John Nyati Pokela.
Indeed, today's the 30th June 2013 at Chairman John Nyathi Pokela
Commemoration held at Orlando West was a resounding great success in that
comrades engaged and shared valuable history and lessons regarding the
achievements and dedication of Cde Poks, from 1959 when he was tasked to
establish the Africanist Task Force to his unification of feuding Pan
Africanist groupings in Robben Island and exile. 

 On his arrival in Tanzania, Chairman John Nyathi Pokela articulated the
Party's mission under his leadership as being threefold: 

 (1) Unite the PAC

(2) Focus the PAC in exile homeward

(3) Ochestrate the Armed Struggle

Today, in view of the petty bourgeoisie rightist deviation and opportunism
fragmenting and paralysing the PAC, these aims can be expressed along the
same lines as follows:

(1) Unite the PAC

(2) Focus the PAC cadreship and membership towards the African proletariat

(3) Ochestrate the African proletarian revolution in Azania and across the
African Continent. 

These three key points should constitute the basis to ideo-politically and
organisationally unite, rebuild and position the PAC as a revolution party
to assume a mass based character. Party leadership should be entrusted to
members having a consistent record of activism and organisational
discipline, and members who should be deployed on fulltime bases to advance
and execute party political programme. Social revolution, however, requires
that the petty-bourgeois leadership should have committed class suicide,
proven by party political work record of consistent and principled activism
of advancing aims and objectives of the party. Class suicide by the African
petty-bourgeois leadership to assume a revolutionary role and character
amounts to adhering to revolutionary consciousness and the culture of
revolution rather than acting on its immediate material interests as a
social class. It must sacrifice its class position, privileges, and power
through identification with the working masses. This unlikely event depends
on the power and material basis of the revolutionary consciousness of
sections of the petty bourgeoisie. The idea of class suicide by the
revolutionary leadership is perhaps Cabral's most important message to
socialist revolutionaries today. 

To rectify mistaken ideas and political methods which hinders to rise of and
for a revolutionary socialist programme to be advanced on a Pan African
basis and globally, a dedicated session should be organised to focus on the
following aspects:-

(1)Identify Mistaken Ideas and political methods.

(2) Put in Place a Rectification Programme  

The Pokela Day must be commemorated across the PAC. 30 Jun 2014 will be the
30th year the PAC lost this great leader of the African people; this very
trustworthy, dedicated and dependable of PAC cadres and leaders; this great
visionary in the mould of Mda, Sobukwe and Raboroko. Participant concluded
on the necessity to focus PAC regional structures, branches and members on
the daily community and workers socio-economic daily struggles. Sincere PAC
members should refrain using open social media networks to resolve inner
party disagreements and session noted that the extent of infighting
demonstrates political and ideological degeneration across all sections of
the party since our understanding is that contradictions among comrades are
non-antagonistic.

 Thank you the organisers. Special thanks to Cde Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi for
his energy and excellent facilitation.

Compiled by Cde Thabo Ntoni

All wealth to the Poor! 

 Socialism in our Lifetime! 

 Izwe Lethu

 

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[PAYCO] Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela's Legacy

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Attached it is the summary of the Commemoration cum Political workshop held
on the 30th June 2013 at Zepth Mothopeng (Orlando West) Branch. The first
weekend of August 2013 we intend to organise weekend session to further the
deliberations based on recommendations that came from these political
workshops. Interested PAC branches and members outside Johannesburg Region
with interest can communicate with us directly. Again we appeal and humbly
call upon PAC branches and members to be principled and objective when
dealing with the prevalent political impasse in the party. 

 On Criticism made without regard to organizational discipline Mao wrote 
Inner-Party criticism is a weapon for strengthening the Party organization
and increasing its fighting capacity. We hope this gathering in August 2013
will generate concrete set of actions not only to rectify mistaken ideas and
political actions, above to posit the PAC on a programme to assume a mass
based character through political work to be executed across all party
structures! PAC members with written proposal and documents can e-mail them
to  kwamenkrumahreg...@gmail.com and nrkgag...@gmail.com 

We will also appreciate donations in kind for those willing to make
contributions, we target a minimum of 50 party members with the maximum
costs to host this event is R30 000,00 which includes accommodation, venue
and meals. 

Shango lashu, Afric Must Unite!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
074 922 6361
nrkgag...@gmail.com


 

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RE: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

The ANC is implementing its own programme, shouldn't we be occupied with
advancing and implementing PAC programme than to react to the ANC's
programme mouthed by the Plaatjie's of this world? Plaatjie's utterance are
not surprising actually there some within the PAC who holds a similar
thought hence their silence on the neo-colonial system! 

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Sent: 01 July 2013 12:10 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

Just hate opportunist like him. That man does not want to work. He should
find a job for change and stop living by chances.
Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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Pathetic 
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Re: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Maleka

You are correct and 100% correct, the state of conditions in the PAC is
seriously painful, no sane leader and person can be boostful. The current
leadership should rise above mediocrity in the best interests of the image
of PAC, party members should equally rise above mediocrity to defend and
advance the Pan Africanist Agenda. Secondly, as members and branches as we
continue in building the party amd consolidating gains made we should aslo
seriously review methods we use when considering party leadership.
Parachuting people into leadership should be a thing of the past, party
leadership across all party structures should emerge from the active party
members who have undertaken to perform PAC political work without taking
leave and comfort days from the struggles.

Above all, as members and branches we must keep the PAC boat floating and
moving forward!

Shango lashu!
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
On 28 Jun 2013 20:13, a.r.mal...@gmail.com wrote:

 MOAFRICA I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR QUITE SOMETIME,IT IS SO PAINFULL TO SEE
 MY BELOVED ORGANISATION IN THIS STATE.WHY CAN'T THOSE GUYS AT NEC BURRY
  THEIR DIFERENCES AND WORK FOR THE PARTY.WE ONLY HAVE ONE SEAT IN
 PARLIAMENT BUT EVERYTIME ITS PAC NEC WANT THIS AND THAT.MY FELLOW AFRICANS
 LET STOP BEING LIKE THE CHARTERISTS.SOME OF ARE IN THE PAC WITH THE WHOLE
 FAMILY WE DONT KNOW OTHER PARTY THAN PAC OF AZANIA.COME ON CHILDREN OF THE
 SOIL.IZWE  LETHU

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 Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:52:13 AM GMT+0200
 Subject: [PAYCO] FW: internal Memo









 The Internal Memorandum dated 27th June 2013 signed by Narius Moloto
 Secretary General, paragraph 5 states the following: The members are
 encouraged to have reference to Rule 49 of the Uniform Rules of Court, read
 with the Supreme Court Act 59 of 59 states the following :-

 Where an appeal has been noted or an application for leave to appeal
 against or to rescind, correct, review or vary an order of a court has been
 made, the operation and execution of the order in question shall be
 suspended.



 Noting that Rule 49 is incomplete as it can be seen above (the operation
 and
 execution of the order in question shall be suspended.!). I then complied
 with the memo as it instructs, below it is the complete Section 49
 Sub-Titled Civil Appeals from the High Court.






 Legislation updated to: 26 June 2009



 UNIFORM RULES OF COURT1*

 RULES REGULATING THE CONDUCT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE SEVERAL PROVINCIAL
 AND LOCAL DIVISIONS OF THE HIGH COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA



 49 Civil Appeals from the High Court



 (1) (a) When leave to appeal is required, it may on a statement of the
 grounds therefor be requested at the time of the judgment or order.



 Section (11) States that Where an appeal has been noted or an application
 for leave to appeal

[PAYCO] NEC SPLIT INTO TWO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

11th May 2013 NEC Meeting- Pro Narius

18th May 2013 NEC Meeting - Pro Letlapa

 


1.   Alton Mphethi: DEPUTY PRESIDENT

2.   Narius Moloto: SECRETARY GENERAL

3.   Bennet Joko: DEP. SECRETARY GENERAL

4.   Simphiwe Nofuma

5.   Betty Nkoana

6.   David Mabitsela

7.   Joseph Ndlovu

8.   Justice Mvakali

9.   Matome Lekgema

10.Mohlomphegi Mphahlele

11.Nakaphala Matlala

12.Tebogo Rakoma

13.Richard Maoka  - Chair Mpumalanga

14.Wandisile GAJANA   - PASMA SG

15.Thabani ZONDO  - 'PAYCO PRESIDENT' (there is a dispute over  this
representation)

 

 

 

1.   Waters Toboti: NATIONAL CHAIRPERSON

2.   Leonie Arries: SECRETARY FOR FINANCE

3.   Mzwandile Montjane: NATIONAL ORGANISER 

4.   Andiswa Mjali: SEC PUBLICITY  INFO 

5.   Anwar Adams 

6.   Mashudu Radamba 

7.   Nomathemba Sithole 

8.   Pumla Toboti 

9.   Thamsanqa Komsana 

10.Basie Kamana 

11.Vakele Mkhandawire

12.Mzwanele Nyhontso - Chair Eastern Cape

13.Mudini Maivha - 'APLAMVA'

14.Pitso MPASHA  - 'PAYCO' [from PACYL]

 

 


ABSENT from both meetings:

 

1. Letlapa Mphahlele:PRESIDENT [court order barred him]

2. Queen Magazi [deceased]

 


WWe have long requested a signed attendance registers of both meetings to
dispel hearsay, we have not received them to date. It cannot be proven and
was never proven that when some decisions were taken all the listed NEC
members were present at that specific time of a meeting! This also implies
that validity of claims made in the affidavits in which NEC members
present at a particular meeting are listed can be tested or argued  as false
and since not the entire 14 or 15 completed affidavits confirming their
presence and attendance when a specific decision was made.  

 

Above all PAC members are taken for a ride! By the split!

 


An appeal to PAC Veterans is that they should be objective and principled by
basing their decisions on facts, than being emotive subjectively on matters
of leadership. It is rather disappointing to see Party veterans backing
individual leaders without following PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code.
It is also sad and unfortunate when seeing Party Veterans backing a specific
groups and disregarding the disintegration of the PAC. Lest we forget that
Godi , Plaatjie and Nemadzhevhanani were supported and backed by some party
veterans, these individuals jumped ship and left PAC after damaging the
image, integrity and driving disunity in the PAC, these should be concrete
and real lessons we draw and avoid repeating the same old mistakes and
compounding the damage! 

 


 

 

 


 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

Nkrumah 

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[PAYCO] PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION REMEMBER CHAIRMAN JOHN NYATHI POKELA's LEGACY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

As PAC, we extend an invite to all Pan Africanists, Socialists, activists,
militants including community based formations and trade unions to join us
on 30th June 2013- Theme: Re Dedication,  Remember and Draw lessons from
Role and Contributions of the Legacy of Chairman John Nyathi Pokela. 

 

The event will be held on Sunday, June 30, 2013. Starting  9:00am. Place :-
Orlando West, Venue: Uncle Tom's Hall next to Hector Peterson Memorial. 

 

Today in Azania, the masses of our people confronted with landlessness, an
outcome of the 1913 Land Act which resulted to the political economy of the
country to be control by white minority capitalist with the collusion of an
African comprador bourgeoisie. 

 

Living conditions and education. Differences in living conditions between
black and white South Africans are illustrated by a Labour Force Survey
finding cited in the report. This reveals that while 50% of blacks live in
households with four or more people, 73% of black people's dwellings have
four rooms or less. On the other hand, only 30% of whites live in households
with four or more people, but 80% of their dwellings have four rooms or
more. While South Africa is considered an upper middle-income country based
on GDP per capita. But there is extreme income inequality and deep poverty
is widespread. 

 

A 2011 report on youth unemployment produced by the National Treasury states
that approximately 42% of young people under the age of 30 are unemployed
compared with less than 17% of adults over 30. Furthermore only 1 in 8
working-age adults under 25 have a job compared with 40% in most emerging
economies. Significantly, employment of 18 to 24-year olds has fallen by
more than 20% (320 000) since December 2008. This can be attributed to the
effects of the global recession sparked by the 20007/2008 financial crisis,
the report notes. But it is also reported that, despite the fact that
Africans experienced a decline in levels of poverty between 1995 and 2005
from 63% to 57.55%, their poverty levels remained higher than the national
average and those of other race groups. For example in 2005 the national
average was 49% while the African level was 58%. Less than one percent of
whites were poor in 2005.

 

African households still account for a highly disproportionate share of the
poor. South Africa's Gini coefficient, a measure of income equality, is
0.68, one of the highest recorded scores in the world. Though inequality has
been historically associated with race, the drivers of inequality in South
Africa have been both inter- and intra-race inequality, the report states.

 

These conditions facing the vast majority of our black people, workers, the
unemployed, youth, women and children requires activists focus and action.

 

There will be march around Orlando West street leading to the hall for the
main rally. We urge all PAC members, activists and militant to join us. PAC
Veterans will be forming part of this events including Community Based
Organisations and Trade Unions, Youths and Students Organisations, and
cultural groups are expected including the evicted communities in
Johannesburg and those in Kliptown facing electricity cuts are expected. Let
us unite to advance the struggle to overthrow white supremacy and
capitalism. Africa Must Unite!

 

For details please contact M'Afrika Ntsie Mohloai 073 236 4780 or M'Afrika
Nkrumah Kgagudi 074 922 6361.

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[PAYCO] RE: PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION REMEMBER CHAIRMAN JOHN NYATHI POKELA's LEGACY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

These conditions facing the vast majority of our black people, workers, the
unemployed, youth, women and children requires activists focus and action.
The reason we fight among ourselves it is because we have forgotten about
PAC programmes argued Chairman John Nyathi Pokela. As PAC members and
activists we must unite and advance the Pan Africanist Agenda on a Socialist
Programme for Total Liberation and Unification of Africa, Africa Must Unite-
Socialism in Our Lifetime!  In our unity lies our collective strength. Build
and strengthen PAC for Battles Ahead!

 

Izwe lthu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 25 June 2013 09:56 AM
To: mphahle...@gmail.com; s...@pac.org.za; 'vakele mkandawire'; 'Johnson
Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson';
'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Advocate K
Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kenny Bafo'; 'Kgomotso
Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea'; 'Lucky Khoza'; 'Malusi Kolie';
'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Tommy Kantando'; 'wiseman mashego';
kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za;
kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L Lekgwathi';
'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August';
luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala'; znd...@hotmail.com;
'Puseletso Zwane'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; 'Zandi Radebe'; 'Zola Mbi'; 'Zukisa
Mxesibe'; 'Zuko Camagu'; 'Zuko Hlulani'; 'Sbusiso Xaba'; 'Tembelani Xundu';
'Xola Mketi'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; 'Xolani Mabanga'; 'Xolani Makwedini';
'Xolelwa Njamela'; 'Mthuthuzeli Vena'; 'Samuel Marole'; 'Vusi Mahlangu';
'Vuyiswa Cekwana'; vumilemof...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com;
paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; 'PAYCO Azania'; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com;
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 'Andiswa Mjali'; montja...@yahoo.com;
mphah...@eskom.co.za; 'Justice Mvakali'; 'Themba Hlatshwayo';
g...@bcawu.co.za; g...@nactu.org.za; apap...@webmail.co.za;
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Wandisile Mandlana'; rakwe...@yahoo.com;
richardma...@yahoo.com; rmtl...@gmail.com; rmse...@gmail.com;
rateb...@webmail.co.za; 'Themba Hlatshwayo'; telite...@gmail.com; 'Thembeka
Majali'; tob...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; twa...@pac.org.za;
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; yolisamazo...@gmail.com; 'Deputy President';
ikeyisa...@gmail.com; 'Malesela Mogashwa'; 'Ike Mafole'; 'Albert Mokoena';
ad...@pac.org.za; 'Archie Kota'; a...@joburg.org.za; a...@a-aprp-gc.org;
azaania...@gmail.com; angwa...@webmail.co.za; samrad...@upd.co.za;
solomoncontrac...@gmail.com; samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za;
sibusiso.x...@gmail.com; 'Sipho Linda'; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'Fitzroy
Ngcukana'; d...@pac.org.za; dannymonar...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com;
drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; 'Fihla Brig
Gen'; 'Gantsu '; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za;
justice.mvak...@gmail.com; ju-...@webmail.co.za; 'PASMA Gauteng';
khoi.so...@gmail.com; leratolepha...@ymail.com; leaga.les...@up.ac.za;
'Lulamile Ntonzima'; 'Zwelethemba Twalo'; ckoms...@yahoo.com;
crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za;
va...@webmail.co.za; 'Bra Mike Motsobane'; baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za;
ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com;
nancykob...@webmail.co.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 'Malinge Plaatjie';
mafub...@hotmail.com; 'Mathapelo Dhlamini'; mnyhon...@yahoo.com;
mpumele...@gmail.com; 'Manelisi Mampana'; mphash...@webmail.co.za;
maiv...@pac.org.za; makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; 'Mawethu Sidzamba';
nrkgag...@gmail.com; nkrumah.kgag...@ananzi.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com;
pi...@yahoo.com; 'PASMA Gauteng'; pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'PAYCO Azania';
'PaycoWC Azania'; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Andiswa Mjali'; montja...@yahoo.com;
'Albert Mokoena'; a...@joburg.org.za; apap...@webmail.co.za;
a...@a-aprp-gc.org; justice.mvak...@gmail.com; ju-...@webmail.co.za;
'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com;
leratolepha...@ymail.com; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'Gantsu ';
ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; s...@pac.org.za; 'Mohlomphegi Mphahlele';
mphahle...@gmail.com; tob...@yahoo.com; 'Tommy Kantando'; 'vakele
mkandawire'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke'; 'Jerry
Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
Sithole'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kenny
Bafo'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea'; 'Lucky Khoza';
'Malusi Kolie'; 'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Tommy Kantando'; 'wiseman mashego';
kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za;
kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L Lekgwathi';
'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August';
luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala'; znd...@hotmail.com;
'Puseletso Zwane'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; 'Zandi