[PAYCO] Re: PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Our email dated 31 October 2017 refers titled PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS.

Fellow Comrades, we (namely, the Unity Steering Committee and Facilitating
Committee) are still waiting for your confirmation to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting among other issues is to discuss PAC Unity Special
National Conference as per clause 5.5 of PAC Ga-Matlala Tompi Seleke 2000
National Congress.

May you please indicate to us if you are available to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting.

Regards
Nkrumah Kgagudi
On behalf of Unity Steering Committee

On 31 Oct 2017 17:14, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi"  wrote:

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Attached find an invitation letter to the PAC unity follow-up meeting and
the 16 July Midrand Unity meeting outcomes. AS USC and FC we are ready to
the December PAC Unity Special Conference, hence this meeting of the 11th
November 2017 is a crucial nodal point for the forward movement
and consolidation of the PAC unification.

We will gladly appreciate your reply in advance for purpose of organising
logistics.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] Forge Principled Unity or Perish!

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

As matters stands and also noting the recent reactions/responses, September
2017 will be a critical period for the PAC Unity Program. An inclusive
national unity meeting will take place very soon and 3/4 Provincial Unity
Consultative meetings are scheduled. The question is will PAC members
continue to blame Cde Letlapa or Cde Mpethi or Cde Mbinda as "Presidents"
or members and branches will rise above mediocre and salvage the
disntegrating PAC? Hence, we must ask will there be a revolutionary Pan
Afrikanist party called PAC beyond 2019? If yes, what is that which arouses
that confidence and optimism, if the reply will be NO will you take full
blame and accountability as a PAC member for failing to salvage and rebuild
a revolutionary party called PAC or will you apportioned the collapse of
PAC to others?

Shnago lashu
Nkrumah




















On 26 May 2016 at 10:27, eddie mfulwane  wrote:

> Cde Apa
>
> I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know
> you are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of
> maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse
> PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be
> busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows.
>
> I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non
> existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND
> THEREFORE NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!*
>
> Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of
> Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to
> submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting.
>
> President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with
> IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still
> lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will
> create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to.
>
>
> Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a
> sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like
> you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation.
>
> *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016
> Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC
> on 03rd August 2016.*
>
>
> Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Apa Pooe
>> Sec for Information and Publicity
>> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *RE.Mfulwane*
>
>
>
>
> *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
> MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634*
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Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

0749226361

On 20 Jan 2017 07:40, "'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress"
 wrote:

> Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me
> 0741531525/0731531525
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni <
> sipho.samang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the
> members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be
> in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is
> to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by
> those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need
> to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> M'Afrika Maoka
>
> The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and
> forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some
> perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion.
>
> All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should
> be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up
> aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist
> manifesto.
>
> All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete
> their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and
> component structures.
>
> All component structures should be operate within their respective
> constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi
> Seleke Congress
>
> Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white
> supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every
> PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the
> crystal political mandates.
>
> 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this
> objective.
>
> Shango lashu
> Nkrumah Kgagudi
>
> On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka"  wrote:
>
>
> Kindly receive the attached
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Maoka RN
>
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[PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Maoka

The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and
forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some
perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion.

All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should
be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up
aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist
manifesto.

All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete
their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and
component structures.

All component structures should be operate within their respective
constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi
Seleke Congress

Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white
supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every
PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the
crystal political mandates.

2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this
objective.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Kgagudi

On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka"  wrote:


Kindly receive the attached

Kind Regards

Maoka RN

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Re: [PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu! Brother Buntu

On 16 Sep 2016 09:13, "BabaBuntu"  wrote:

> *M'Afrika,*
>
> eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to
>
> *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN*
>
> *1st October (all day)*
>
> *Johannesburg, Gauteng*
>
>
> See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember!
>
>
>
> Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day)
>
> Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men
> (18+) on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and
> relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no
> taboos!
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on
> Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand
> themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman
> and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The
> session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA.
>
>
>
> If you are interested, send your email address, name and age – and you
> will receive a personal invitation with more details. Note that the session
> is informed by Pan-Afrikan cultural philosophy and practice, but not linked
> to any religious or political institution. It is suitable for ALL Black men
> of all age groups, over 18 years, who are open to Pan-Afrikan ideas.
>
>
> Izwe Lethu iAfrika!
>
>
> i...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA / eBukhosini Solutions
>
> www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> --
> Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU
> Executive Director
> Johannesburg
>
> Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
> Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/
> My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu
> My Skype: baba.buntu
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Re: [PAYCO] APLA IMBIZO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

APLA National Imbizo

The APLA National Imbizo will be held on:

Date: 01 October 2016
Place: Bloemfontein
Venue: is available and will be announced in due course.

Those who wish to make accommodation arrangements, please make sure that
you make bookings in Bloemfontein Central, not far from Mimosa Mall.

This is a call to all former APLA forces to come reminisce and where
practical see how best can we help each other going forward.

For more details contact Ntsiki Kungwayo aka Nosipho Gaca @ 082 224 1686
during working hours or send an email to ntsikikungw...@gmail.com

Please share

On 14 Sep 2016 18:54, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved.
>
> The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we
> speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference"  whether
> the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason
> parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default.
> Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based
> on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another
> issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There
> is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses
> that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line
> with the PAC Constitution).
>
> The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works
> outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My
> proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to
> convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but
> all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA,
> PAYCO and PASMA) agree to  continue with the talks and convening of the PAC
> Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in
> political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction
> only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction /
> group.
>
> On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at
> provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM
> decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM
> member  I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so
> by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself.
> Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf
> of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously.
>
> My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is
> not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at
> a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so
> especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just
> know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity
> meetings / conferences at the moment.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
>> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
>> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
>> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
>> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
>> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>>
>> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
>> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
>> roles.
>>
>> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
>> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
>> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
>> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
>> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
>> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
>> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
>> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>>
>> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
>> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>>
>> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
>> programme

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

A provincial unity meeting is planned for the October 2015, I encourage you
attend provincial meetings and also there will be Vaal Regional meeting
somewhere in October.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 14 Sep 2016 18:01, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi"  wrote:

> Cde Chargein
>
> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>
> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
> roles.
>
> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>
> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>
> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
> programme to forge principled unity of the PAC;, PAM and any leadership
> faction which embraces this call of principled party Unity must also close
> ranks and march ahead.
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah
>
> On 14 Sep 2016 17:30, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:
>
>> The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures
>> not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the
>> Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly
>> constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? Which clause (s) in the PAC Constitution will be followed to
>> establish the new structure constitutionally and also have the powers to
>> convene the PAC National Conference or Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? According to the PAC Constitution, it is only the PAC NEC has
>> powers to convene the PAC National Conference / Congress, not other
>> structure?(Refer to the PAC Constitution). All PAC activities are only
>> guided by the PAC Basic Documents, nothing more, nothing less. Hence, the
>> need to get the buy-in from the existing NEC structures as constitutionally
>> recognized entities elected in a PAC "Conferences" because they constitute
>> PAC National leadership even by default. I used "Conferences" to emphasize
>> the fact that that is so even if their status is debatable within the PAC.
>> Remember, the decisions of courts of laws are not in line with and outside
>> the PAC Constitution. They cannot be reached in violation of the PAC
>> Constitution and then be binding to PAC members. Mbinda-led NEC may be
>> legally recognised as PAC NEC but may at the same time unconstitutional and
>> illlegimate within the PAC because it was elected in violation of the PAC
>> Constitution. The same may apply to Mphahlele-led NEC. It is only a
>> properly constituted PAC Conference / Conference can make such a decision,
>> not courts or law or some kangaroo courts in some corners. Hence, the need
>> to convene a properly constituted PAC Conference / Congress jointly
>> organised by, at least, the two PAC NECs.
>>
>> Comrade, let's remember: two wrongs do not make a right. We cannot
>> correct the wrongs of others through our own wrong ways. The right way to
>> run PAC affairs is to do everything in line with the PAC Basic Documents,
>> especially the Constitution in this case. Any decisions (resolutions) taken
>> outside the PAC national conferences / congresses are not PAC decisions
>> (resolutions). Party decisions affecting branches are taken at branch
>> meetings or AGMs, those affecting regional  or provincial structures are
>> taken at Regional or provincial conferences / congresses and also those
>> affecting national structures are taken at national conferences /
>> congresses as per the PAC Constitution as we know it. Any decisions taken
>> not in line with the PAC Constitution are n

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

ious conferences / congresses as rebels who are destined to
> damage the image of PAC.  Both approaches (Bottom-up / Top-dpwn) will reach
> political cul-del-sac very soon. Their results will suffer from illegality,
> unconstitutionality and illegitimacy.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 13:19, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Comrade Chargein
>>
>> The two approaches are contradictory both can unfold simultaneously
>> leading to a PAC UNITY National Conference, that is, Bottom-up and
>> Dissolution of parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC
>> National Unity Conference.
>>
>> Shango lashu
>> Nkrumah
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2016 09:40, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:
>>
>>> Comrade Nkrumah
>>>
>>> Who calls the conference may be a major obstacle to my proposal but it
>>> can be overcome through collective effort. The feasible solution is to
>>> convene the special conference or congress jointly and the conference /
>>> congress to be co-chared by the joint  / collective leadership of the three
>>> NECs (two PAC NECS and PAM NEC). That is, the two PAC NECs and PAM NEC  to
>>> come together and convene the conference / congress jointly. That is not
>>> something new. After the PAC unbanning, the PAC Central Committee from
>>> exile under the leadership of PAC Chairman Johnson Mlambo and PAM NEC
>>> (representing PAC in the hone front) under the leadership of President
>>> Clarence Makwetu convened the 2nd PAC Congress jointly to elect the
>>> collective PAC leadership. Comrade Johnson Mlambo and other former PAC
>>> leaders can advised the joint committee how to convene conference /
>>> congress jointly from their experience. The joint committee may be composed
>>> of two representives from two PAC factions and PAM e,g, presidents and
>>> secretary=-generals of the three factions. Any arrangement can be decided
>>> on.  Nothing is impossible.
>>>
>>> I know Mbinda-Moloto will try to resist the inclusion of Mphahlele's
>>> faction in the convening of the conference / congress. The truth is there
>>> can be no unity withiin the PAC without Mphahlele's faction. That we must
>>> admit it. We all need each other. Mbinda faction needs both PAM and
>>> Mphahlele's faction and vice-versa. I know many people are scared of
>>> Mphahlele as an individual for his consistence for what he believes in but
>>> they cannot wish him away from the PAC just like that. He is part and
>>> parcel of the PAC. He is an asset and liability of the PAC like Mabaso,
>>> Ntsie, Narius, Fihla, Mbinda, etc. We are products of PAC and no other
>>> political party. To wish us away from the PAC is wishful thinking. We will
>>> remain PAC inside or outside PAC. PAC must just learn how to live with us
>>> like Julius Malaema to the ANC  or else we will be a toothache to the PAC,
>>> both individually or collectively. That is a fact.
>>>
>>> Comrades, PAM has no preconditions before attending PAC Special unity
>>> Conference/Congress if we are invited accordingly and as long as we are
>>> invited by PAC, not PAC factions (both Mbinda and Mphahlele faction or even
>>> new PAC faction). We will definitely attend a properly organised PAC
>>> Special Conference / Congress as long it will be organiised in line with
>>> the PAC Constitution adopted before Qwaqwa Congress (at Tompie Seleka
>>> Congress) as that is undoctored PAC Constitution.  If PAC does not have it,
>>> we have it in our custody.
>>>
>>> Comrades, we are not scared to be swallowed by PAC leadership. We know
>>> what we stand for and what we expect for PAC unity to materialize.  We have
>>> the right to march out of any unity conference / congress if it is not what
>>> we expected or even later breakaway from the unholy marriage. We are not
>>> obliged to unite if we are not the like-minded.
>>>
>>> That is our position.
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>> On 13 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
>>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cde Chargein
>>>>
>>>> Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's?
>>>>
>>>> Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since
>>>> Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while
>>>>

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Chargein

The two approaches are contradictory both can unfold simultaneously leading
to a PAC UNITY National Conference, that is, Bottom-up and Dissolution of
parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC National Unity
Conference.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 14 Sep 2016 09:40, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Who calls the conference may be a major obstacle to my proposal but it can
> be overcome through collective effort. The feasible solution is to convene
> the special conference or congress jointly and the conference / congress to
> be co-chared by the joint  / collective leadership of the three NECs (two
> PAC NECS and PAM NEC). That is, the two PAC NECs and PAM NEC  to come
> together and convene the conference / congress jointly. That is not
> something new. After the PAC unbanning, the PAC Central Committee from
> exile under the leadership of PAC Chairman Johnson Mlambo and PAM NEC
> (representing PAC in the hone front) under the leadership of President
> Clarence Makwetu convened the 2nd PAC Congress jointly to elect the
> collective PAC leadership. Comrade Johnson Mlambo and other former PAC
> leaders can advised the joint committee how to convene conference /
> congress jointly from their experience. The joint committee may be composed
> of two representives from two PAC factions and PAM e,g, presidents and
> secretary=-generals of the three factions. Any arrangement can be decided
> on.  Nothing is impossible.
>
> I know Mbinda-Moloto will try to resist the inclusion of Mphahlele's
> faction in the convening of the conference / congress. The truth is there
> can be no unity withiin the PAC without Mphahlele's faction. That we must
> admit it. We all need each other. Mbinda faction needs both PAM and
> Mphahlele's faction and vice-versa. I know many people are scared of
> Mphahlele as an individual for his consistence for what he believes in but
> they cannot wish him away from the PAC just like that. He is part and
> parcel of the PAC. He is an asset and liability of the PAC like Mabaso,
> Ntsie, Narius, Fihla, Mbinda, etc. We are products of PAC and no other
> political party. To wish us away from the PAC is wishful thinking. We will
> remain PAC inside or outside PAC. PAC must just learn how to live with us
> like Julius Malaema to the ANC  or else we will be a toothache to the PAC,
> both individually or collectively. That is a fact.
>
> Comrades, PAM has no preconditions before attending PAC Special unity
> Conference/Congress if we are invited accordingly and as long as we are
> invited by PAC, not PAC factions (both Mbinda and Mphahlele faction or even
> new PAC faction). We will definitely attend a properly organised PAC
> Special Conference / Congress as long it will be organiised in line with
> the PAC Constitution adopted before Qwaqwa Congress (at Tompie Seleka
> Congress) as that is undoctored PAC Constitution.  If PAC does not have it,
> we have it in our custody.
>
> Comrades, we are not scared to be swallowed by PAC leadership. We know
> what we stand for and what we expect for PAC unity to materialize.  We have
> the right to march out of any unity conference / congress if it is not what
> we expected or even later breakaway from the unholy marriage. We are not
> obliged to unite if we are not the like-minded.
>
> That is our position.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's?
>>
>> Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since
>> Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while
>> others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution?
>>
>> Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols?
>>
>> Shango lashu
>>
>> Nkrumah
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:
>>
>>> Comrade Nkrumah
>>>
>>> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special
>>> unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic
>>> introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party,
>>> learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic
>>> resolutions to uproot factiomalism in the party, disband all factions
>>> and NEC structures elected based on factions, develop Party-building
>>> programme to unite the Party into a great party, establish collective
>>> leadership for collective responsibility, etc .
>>>
>>> On 13/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:
>>> > Cde Chargein
>>&

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's?

Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since
Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while
others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution?

Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols?

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special
> unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic
> introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party,
> learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic
> resolutions to uproot factiomalism in the party, disband all factions
> and NEC structures elected based on factions, develop Party-building
> programme to unite the Party into a great party, establish collective
> leadership for collective responsibility, etc .
>
> On 13/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:
> > Cde Chargein
> >
> > Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge
> > principled unity?
> >
> > Regards
> > Nkrumah
> >
> > On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:
> >
> >> Comrade Nkrumah
> >>
> >> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.
> >>
> >> The explanation you gave do not assist
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> >> nrkgag...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Cde Chargin
> >> >
> >> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
> >> >
> >> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an
> >> > unity
> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48
> hours)
> >> and
> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may
> lack
> >> > a
> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
> >> elitist
> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> >> > attend the conference .
> >> >
> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
> >> necessity
> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels
> as
> >> > a
> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity
> of
> >> the
> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the
> >> > problem
> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution.
> >> > These
> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which
> then
> >> in
> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by
> >> > which
> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> >> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of
> >> > activists,
> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental
> >> > change
> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> >> > primarily by members.
> >> >
> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if
> members
> >> per
> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to
> >> > denounce
> >> > an

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge
principled unity?

Regards
Nkrumah

On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.
>
> The explanation you gave do not assist
>
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cde Chargin
> >
> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
> >
> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity
> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours)
> and
> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a
> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
> elitist
> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> > attend the conference .
> >
> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
> necessity
> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels as a
> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of
> the
> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem
> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These
> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then
> in
> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which
> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists,
> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change
> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> > primarily by members.
> >
> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members
> per
> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce
> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will
> catalyse
> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom
> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to
> an
> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on
> the
> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles
> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and
> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch
> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to
> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch.
> We
> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party
> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate
> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
> (re)building
> > programme.
> >
> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
> What's
> > fundamental is members must agree as to what c

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

sm.
>
> ln a political party, a faction is simply a group of individuals with a
> common political purpose and is sometimes referred to as a power bloc or
> even a caucus in its embryonic stage. All the current factions in the PAC
> started as legitimate caucuses, not necessary full blown factions. We
> learned later that all caucuses are nothing but factions in their embryonic
> stage, whether ideological or leadership factions. The main aim of any
> faction is to advance a particular policy or policy agenda and/or
> preventing the adoption of alternative policies and supporting given
> individuals to position of power within the organisationto represent and
> advance the faction’s agenda. A faction can also be based around supporting
> a given person, a leader, to be elected into leadership position. The
> former is the ideological faction and the latter is leadership faction.
>
> For example, the Africanists were an ideological faction within the ANC in
> the 1950s. They developed the revolutionary Nation-Building Programme and
> forced it down the throat of the reformist ANC Old Guards during the ANC
> National Conference held in Bloemfontein in 1949. The ANC adopted the
> Programme of Action after a fierce political battle and the Old Guard later
> regurgitated it in 1955. Whoever wanted to be voted to lead the ANC in the
> 1949 ANC Bloemfontein Conference as its President was required as a
> prerequisite to accept and endorse the Programme of Action and commit
> himself/her to uphold the Programme in his/her term of office. The
> Africanist faction fought fireless to opposed the ANC adoption of Freedom
> Charter in 1955. Unlike the Africanist ideological faction, the PAC
> factions formed after the 1993 Umtata Conference up to today were and are
> still the leadership factions, not ideological factions. They were or are
> still based on around supporting a given person to the PAC President based
> on the Messiah mentality. e.g.. Dr. Mogoba, Dr Pheko, Maxwell
> Nemadzhivhanani, Letlapa Mphahlele, Thami Plaatjie, Luthando Mbinda,
> Mphethi, etc. Malema’s faction within the ANCYL focused all its efforts on
> one policy issue, nationalization of key economic sectors of the South
> African economy (mines, banks, big industries, etc) so as to assume the
> status of an ideological faction within the ANC just like the Africanists
> to avoid being reduced into a mere leadership faction like the current PAC
> factions. The T.M. Ntantala’s faction in exile also assumed the status of
> an ideological faction whose proposed policy positions were enshrined in
> the New Road of Revolution. The Revolutionary Watchdogs tried to assume a
> policy stand too against the Constituent Assembly in the pre-1994 era just
> like T.M. Ntatala and Malema’s factions within the PAC and ANC,
> respectively.
>
> The point is Clause 15 of the PAC Disciplinary Code refers leadership
> faction, not to ideological factions. Ideological factions are healthy in
> any active political party. They are an indication of dynamism in the
> political life of an organisation. It must be encouraged at all times.
> Without ideological struggles, the Party will degenerate, both politically
> and ideologically.
>
> So far we have all failed to form ideological factions within the PAC in
> the post-1994 era of the New Democracy. We have all not outgrown leadership
> factions. That is why some of us resist the disbandment of current
> leadership factions. We need PAC unity to avail the opportunity for the
> realignment of revolutionary and progressive forces both inside and outside
> the PAC based on a minimum programme (agreed upon policies or policy
> agenda). We can call it an Africanist or Socialist Agenda and constitute
> ourselves into a Revolutionary Vanguard or Revolutionary Pan Africanists or
> Africanist Socialist Democrats to advocate for an Africanist Socialist
> Democracy proposed by the founders of PAC . That is, we must follow
> steadfastly on the footsteps of Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe and Dr. Kwame
> Nkrumah, not leaders of current leadership factions.
>
> I hope I made my point clear on the concept of factions.
>
>
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 12 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for
>> us, this will assist to move from the same wavelength.
>>
>> There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which
>> furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are
>> working with other party members, thus parallel structures are on a decline
>> in many parts of Gauteng. The dying parallel structures will logically l

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Chargein

I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for us,
this will assist to move from the same wavelength.

There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which
furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are
working with other party members, thus parallel structures are on a decline
in many parts of Gauteng. The dying parallel structures will logically lead
to PAC hosting one inclusive party events, we can't oversimplify the task
to forge principled unity and defactionalise the party it's an internal
struggle in it's own nature given the ideological contradictions prevalent
within the party.

The decisive battle to be won it's when party members in mass reject and
denounce factional gatherings including a factional leaders and the same
members resort to forge unity from their respective areas and build from
that base.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 12 Sep 2016 18:34, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Theory is only good if it can address praxtical problems. You did
> explain how will your Bottom-up approach can solve current dilema in
> the Vaal. You did expolain why in Gaung there are two PAC rallIes
> whenever the Party commemorates important days in its calender if your
> apporoach works. You are two factions. That is clear. A united PAC in
> Gauteng is expected to hold one rally,, not two or more on the same
> day. May be there is lack of understanding of factions and
> factionalism here or defence of factionalism. That is another debate
> on its own.
>
> On 12/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:
> > Cde Chargein
> >
> > We run the risk to label everything and effort as a faction, please 1.
> > define and describe a faction.
> >
> > Secondly, it's evident we disagree on the approach to forge principled
> > unity. We advocate a Bottom-up approach which has proven itself to be
> most
> > effective to defactionalise, reconcile and forge unity in the PAC
> starting
> > from branch level leading to national level- national conference to
> > consolidate and create a PoA. Among many ingredients the bottom-Up
> approach
> > is Inclusive Branch and regional meetings to forge unity should be
> > facilitated by members accepted by such that the unification process is
> > credible and has integrity.  A party unification process which is members
> > centred and members driven premised on the very same principle of
> > Democratic Centralism.
> >
> > As opposed to members who are highly factionalised meeting for the first
> > time at a national conference hoping to achieve unity in less 48 hours
> > national conference.
> >
> > Shango lashu
> >
> > On 12 Sep 2016 16:42, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:
> >
> >> Comrade Nkrumah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Top-up approach sounds good in theory but not in practice. The
> >> Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism *“…emphasizes the
> >> dependence of theory on practice, emphasizes that theory is based on
> >> practice and in turn serves practice.”* [*Mao Tse Tung on Theory and
> >> Practice*]. Theory does not serve itself. The same applies to natural
> >> science and our current challenge to unite the PAC. That is, the
> >> correctness of the Top-up approach should be based on practice. Ours is
> >> to
> >> be put the Top-up approach on test through practice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Let’s take, for example, the Vaal area as a typical case in hand. The
> >> Top-up approach assumes (makes hypothesis that) if comrade Apa Pooe (who
> >> belongs to Mphahlele faction) convenes a branch or regional meeting
> today
> >> that such a meeting will be attended by comrade Nthate (who belongs to
> >> Mbinda-Moloto faction) without any tensions ending up to verbal attacks
> >> and
> >> physical fights. That is incorrect. In the same meeting comrade
> >> Solundwane
> >> or Mabaso, a PAM member, are also expected to attend that meeting
> without
> >> tensions simmering. The same is true if the meeting is convened by cde
> >> Nthate or cde Mabaso. The meeting will fuel unnecessary tensions and
> will
> >> be a recipe for more conflict than unity. Remember all these factions
> >> still
> >> have scores to settle which are still there. They are gone just because
> >> of
> >> the talk for unity. In the same meeting convened by APA Pooe, President
> >> Mphahlele will be invited to address the meeting as a PAC President as
> it
> >> is the case now in every funeral c

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 first disband PAM before unity is discussed or recognised
> within the PAC. Funny enough, the same does not apply to PAC factions which
> are multiplying day by day. WHY? The reasons are those factions do not
> believe there is crisis within the PAC and those socalled unity talks are
> between PAM and one of the PAC factions, not between PAM and one, united
> PAC. It is either between PAM and Mphahlele’s faction or Mbinda’s faction
> or the new PAC faction formed, consciously or unconsciously, around Gauteng
> which normally have rallies around Soweto not attending rallies organised
> by Mbinda-Moloto’s faction. What do you call such meetings? They are
> nothing but an attempt to consolidate individual factions turning them into
> super-factions instead of uniting PAC. That is the true meaning of the
> Top-up approach.
>
>
>
> The Top-up approach is also doomed to fail. It will reach its political
> cul-de-sac sooner than expected. It’s a waste of time and fruitless
> exercise. It must be treated as such.
>
>
>
> A new approach is needed if we are serious about PAC unity. A principled,
> scientific approach based on the 1959 Basic Documents is the only solution
> to the current PAC crisis. All factions and parties must, first, be
> disbanded at a conference or congress level, not only PAM. That is what all
> PAC factions do not want. A new leadership must be put in place based on
> collective leadership and be legitimised by and resolved in a conference or
> congress and mandated to take collective responsibility to unite PAC, not
> individual PAC factions. If not so, let’s kiss and say goodbye to unity
> talks. They will not work.
>
>
>
> Unity talks are now used only for political point-scoring, not for what
> they intended for. We are not short-sighted to see it. We are all not
> obliged to unite if we are not the likeminded. Unholy marriage will not
> last. We know it from experience. That is why Africanists broke away from
> the captured ANC in 1958 and formed PAC. The same is true for PAC at the
> moment. It is captured too by wrong elements. With Africanist breakaway,
> the South African history was not the same again. The same happened after
> ZANU broke away from ZAPU and the Bolsheviks broke away from the
> Mensheviks. It is nothing new. The reason for opposing unprincipled unity
> is, without the foundation for unity (solid ideological unity, strong
> organisational unity and strict discipline), PAC unity is a pie in the
> sky.  It will not last.
>
>
>
> The truth is PAC is captured by wrong elements like the ANC. To rescue PAC
> from the current crisis, extra-ordinary measures must be taken. Liberalism
> will not work. Let’s forget about it.
>
>
>
> I repeat: we are forced to unite. If there is no foundation for Party
> unity, let’s forget about PAC unity. PAC founders were right to leave
> captured ANC in 1958. History judged them correctly. It will be the judge
> even this time.
>
>
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On 9 September 2016 at 16:55, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  > wrote:
>
>> Comrade Charge-in
>>
>>
>>
>> Factionalism within the party which has exhibited itself in many ills
>> such as the parallel National Leadership structures including other party
>> structures, is a manifestation of both the ideo-political and organisation
>> degeneration, primarily degeneration of the branches and members of the
>> PAC, hence the rot and decay we see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Legitimacy of any leadership is derived from popular explicit and
>> implicit consent of the governed (members and branches) acting through, and
>> as determined and prescribed by the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code. 
>> Whether
>> a leadership has authority, in the sense that members and branches obey its
>> instructions and laws, we can ask whether it(leadership) has legitimacy.
>> The term legitimate comes from the Latin for ‘lawful’. In the most basic
>> sense, a national leadership is legitimate if it exists and operates
>> according to the law in this case PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code
>> thus enjoy full support and recognition of members and branches. Branches
>> are the party's basic blocks, they are a determining factor of unity or
>> perpetuation of factions, if they are strong or weak. If the majority or
>> ideally all members and branches withdraw their recognition and association
>> of any national leadership then no-one leadership can claim legitimacy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Weak branches and members are susceptible to evil influences, hence the
>> feuding parallel National Leaderships thrives on the basis of an
>> ideologically weak, confused a

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[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

e the normal processes
of free discussion fail to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron
discipline should come into play, and factional”.



Shango Lashu

NKrumah



On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso  wrote:

>
> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> How are you, Son of the soil?
>
> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would  like to
> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is not
> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am not
> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on the
> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge of
> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined in
> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific approach.
> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
>
> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to
> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the current
> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have their
> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of
> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, APRP,
> etc.  PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds,
> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The
> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the
> ANC,  let alone in evolutionary ones.
>
> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic
> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from my
> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic
> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the PAC
> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, for
> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the
> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code after
> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever disprove
> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us as
> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start to
> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions of
> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly
> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me
> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is
> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah
> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is
> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of
> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and
> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with
> their enemies.
>
> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am
> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage.
> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents,
> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters
> of the soil.
>
> I am available next week from  Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg
> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in
> contact.
>
> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up
> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong.  My instinct and logic say the
> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after
> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later,
> comrade.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
> Charge-in Mabaso
> Cell: 071 020 3554
>
>  .
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  > wrote:
>
>> Cde Charge in
>>
>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
>> initiators.
>>
>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures,
>> in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present 

Re: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Charge in

Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
initiators.

Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in
some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to
rebuild ftom the bottom.

I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso"  wrote:

> Ma-Afrika
>
> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the
> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope
> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the
> right direction.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> .
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Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

There is no existence of Mpethi's adventure political party in Johannesburg
Region, and positive gains is PAC members lost to APC and PAM are now
returning back. We speak principled unity to re-build PAC as mas based
revolutionary party for the seizure of state political power to establish
an Afrikanist Socialist Democracy,it's not easy but we are making
meaningful progress.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 17 August 2016 at 11:55, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> Good Morning MoAfrika Mashilo
>
> PASMA I am referring to Newly formed organisation by those who wanted
> UNITY with the intention to deceive PAC and its Loyal Members
>
> Please ensure that you engage with people who have Integrity and can be
> trusted when you continue with your programme as "Johannesburg Region"
>
> Regards,
>
> *electronically send no signed - authentic *
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> T (012) 320 6472 - 5
> F (012) 320 2179
> F2email: 086 225 4254
> Email: mphi...@gmail.com
> C 073 182 2656
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass
>> agitation in regard to fees must fall.
>>
>> Nkrumah
>>
>> On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
>>
>>> Good Morning MaAfrika
>>>
>>> What happened to PASMA AND ARM?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> *electronically send no signed - authentic *
>>>
>>> Mphiri Masoga
>>> SACWU
>>> T (012) 320 6472 - 5
>>> F (012) 320 2179
>>> F2email: 086 225 4254
>>> Email: mphi...@gmail.com
>>> C 073 182 2656
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
>>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comrades
>>>>>
>>>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
>>>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
>>>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
>>>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
>>>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
>>>>> already started.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
>>>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
>>>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
>>>>> izozala nkomoni?
>>>>>
>>>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>>>
>>>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>>>> Ex- PASO Veteran
>>>>> 0710203554
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za  wrote:
>>>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
>>>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the
>>>>> many other
>>>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s
>>>>> inability to
>>>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
>>>>> attractive
>>>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be
>>>>> made here
>>>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
>>>>> organisational
>>>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
>>>>> > direction and success.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well
>>>>> done to the
>>>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of
>>>>> this
>>>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
>>>>> herein.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
>>>>> Letlapa
>>>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
>>>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many
>>>>> peop

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass
agitation in regard to fees must fall.

Nkrumah

On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> Good Morning MaAfrika
>
> What happened to PASMA AND ARM?
>
> Regards,
>
> *electronically send no signed - authentic *
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> T (012) 320 6472 - 5
> F (012) 320 2179
> F2email: 086 225 4254
> Email: mphi...@gmail.com
> C 073 182 2656
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Comrades
>>>
>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
>>> already started.
>>>
>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
>>> izozala nkomoni?
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>> Ex- PASO Veteran
>>> 0710203554
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za  wrote:
>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many
>>> other
>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
>>> >
>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability
>>> to
>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
>>> attractive
>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made
>>> here
>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
>>> organisational
>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
>>> > direction and success.
>>> >
>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done
>>> to the
>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
>>> herein.
>>> >
>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
>>> Letlapa
>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
>>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity
>>> to take
>>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear
>>> mandate, for
>>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure
>>> proper
>>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the
>>> time,
>>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent
>>> place.
>>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The
>>> list of
>>> > indecision instances is sizeable.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and
>>> would be
>>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
>>> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces.
>>> This was
>>> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
>>> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some
>>> league
>>> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who
>>> led
>>> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue
>>> is
>>> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
>>> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
>>> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of
>>> 'mitigation'. In
>>> > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to
>>> ma

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso  wrote:

> Comrades
>
> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
> already started.
>
> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
> izozala nkomoni?
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> Charge-in Mabaso
> Ex- PASO Veteran
> 0710203554
>
> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za  wrote:
> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many
> other
> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
> >
> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability to
> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
> attractive
> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made
> here
> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
> organisational
> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
> > direction and success.
> >
> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done to
> the
> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
> herein.
> >
> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
> Letlapa
> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity to
> take
> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear mandate,
> for
> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure
> proper
> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the time,
> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent
> place.
> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The list
> of
> > indecision instances is sizeable.
> >
> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and would
> be
> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.
> >
> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces. This
> was
> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some league
> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who led
> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue is
> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of
> 'mitigation'. In
> > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to mainly
> the
> > few councillor segments most of whom are driven by survivalist interests.
> >
> > So having seen all of these, the outcome was always on the cards.
> >
> > My real issue is what then, and I think we must tread slowly, carefully
> and
> > robustly drawing from our past experiences.
> >
> > There is no doubt as there never was, that the Alice concoction was ill
> > advised and fatal for the Party. Whatever we do on the leadership
> question,
> > we must place cadres in charge only once we know fully well what they
> stand
> > for and what their character make is. It is this aspect we should engage
> > each other accross.
> >
> > Izwe Lethu iAfrika !
> >
> > Matome Mashao
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tommy ka-Ntando 
> > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:44:41
> > To: payco@googlegroups.com
> > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [PAYCO] Re: [PAC] Gauteng meeting
> >
> > Cde Jabu!
> > I want to thank
> > you for the initiative you took on an endeavour to coordinate PAC in your
> > region. Your affords and action are courageous Noble Son and this party
> > needs
> > people like you.
> > However allow
> > me to invite all the Regions of Gauteng (Westrand, Joburg, Tshwane,
> > Ekhurhuleni
> > and Sedibeng Region) to participate in this important deliberation,
> dialogue
> > and
> > engagement which will seek to pave a wayward for us. This will also give
> us
> > time to reflect on the outcomes of the December 2011 Pretoria meeting of
> > former
> > PAYCO, PASMA, AZANYO, PASO and SRC Leaders.
> > We also note
> > the tremendous work that Dr Pheko and his 

[PAYCO] Re: PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION UNITY AND FOWARD MOVEMENT

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

Reading these e-mails one wonders, in the last 3 years,how far has PAC
moved to resolve internal feuding and forge principled unity?

Nkrumah

On 19 March 2013 at 14:29, Nkrumah Kgagudi  wrote:

> Greetings, M’Afrika
>
>
>
> This is a summary of the outcomes of PAC Johannesburg regional meeting
> held on the 17th March 2013. PAC members and branches in Johannesburg
> region acknowledged that for long the party has been ravaged by divisions
> and unjustified internal conflicts, and that there has been a disregard of
> the party constitution and principles which should govern our political
> work as members and structures. PAC Johannesburg region members and
> branches resolved not to proceed with the regional congress instead focus
> on forging a principled unity that is based on full adherence to basic
> party principles as outlined in the PAC Ga-Matlala Constitution and
> Disciplinary Code. And members also resolved to disbanded parallel
> structures that were existing namely the Alexandra December 2012 ‘Regional
> Executive Committee’ and the Preparatory Committee formed on the 25th
> November 2012. The regional meeting resolved and encouraged all PAC members
> in Johannesburg to willing and committed to contribute in the
> re-organisation and rebuilding of the PAC to become active and adhere with
> the party constitution and disciplinary code. Members resolved that unity
> of party members is supreme to achieve a functional and focused PAC in
> Johannesburg region.
>
>
>
> On the 17th March 2013 members and branches further resolved:-
>
>
>
> · To embrace unity and to subject all party political work to be
> within the prescripts of PAC Ga-Matlala 2000 Constitution;
>
> · To form an inclusive and unifying Preparatory Committee that
> will coordinate and administer the regional activities towards the regional
> congress and other regional activities, supervised by the National
> Organiser;
>
> · An inclusive and unifying Johannesburg Regional Congress will
> be held on the 19th May 2013;
>
> · The regional congress shall be held as per the prescripts of
> the party constitution;
>
> · In April 2013, there will be a regional general meeting that
> should focus and deliberate on discussion documents that should focus the
> party members on programme, strategy and plan of actions including policy
> documents. Aims at formulating strategies that will aim at giving building
> the required internal organisational capabilities such that the assumes a
> mass based character including visibility of PAC in Johannesburg Region;
>
> · Members resolved that administration and coordination of PAC
> regional affairs should be based at based at Mansion House offices in
> Market Street;
>
> · All branches and members should ensure that they are in good
> standing as per the party constitution;
>
> · Branches and members should ensure they are paid up for the
> financial year starting 1st March 2013 ending 27/28 February 2014;
>
> · Branches should compile and update monthly membership registers
> as per the constitutional requirements;
>
> · If permissible branches should arrange political workshop on
> basic party constitutional matters and organisational matters;
>
> · Members also resolved not to attend the joint PAC-ANC Human
> Rights Day and opted for a PAC Sharpeville – Langa Massacre Commemoration
> which is being organised and will be joint by the New Black Panther Party,
> All African People Revolutionary Party (AAPRP) and ZANU PF. Also it is
> expected that AZAPO, SOPA and other formations and community based
> organisations will join the PAC in the Sharpeville and Langa Massacre
> Commemoration on the 21st March 2013.
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
>
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
>
>
>
>

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[PAYCO] Re: The Letter From the IEC- PAC - None Participation? IS this the end or beginning?

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

In Johannesburg Region and Gauteng Province, as PAC members we are
exploring ways and means to forge principled unity aiming to defactionalise
the Party-PAC. This has become a daunting necessary task we concluded it
can't be evaded; thus far as a PAC Gauteng Province we are making
significant steps forward. We have adopted a bottom-up approach premised on
democratic centralism to eradicate elitism and defactionalise the party,
this approach required us to organise an all inclusive regular regional
meetings whereat all members across all generations are informed and
encouraged; The same modus operandi is to be applied at a provincial
meetings to mobilise all members and branches to the provincial inclusive
unity consultative meetings, no-members is excluded from this process.
Since, a bottom-up approach is a membership centred and driven apporach
rooted on democratic centralism. As PAC members seeking principled unity,
we are pro- revolutionary PAC.

To reinstate the PAC Constitution and Discplinary Code, democratic
centralism governing the bottom-up approach has thus far proven to be the
effective strategy to forge principled unity and defactionalise the PAC.
Organise regular unity forging all inclusive inter-branch meetings in the
region and province, dissolve parallel structures create inclusive
committees accepted by all members, whose mandate will be to rally and
unite all PAC members and branches on the basis of the PAC founding basic
documents.

One can urge PAC members and cadres to rise above personalities and equally
explore viable and sustainable means to forge principled unity thus salvage
the PAC from complete annihilation.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

On 15 June 2016 at 15:17, Manelisi Mampana 
wrote:

> * PAC OLD GUARD*: "*OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE, JUST FADE AWAY"*
>
> You all love PAC once, not without a cause: " O JUDGEMENT! thou art fled
> to brutish beasts, And men have lost their reason bear with me" Marc
> Anthony
>
> The current pandemonium in PAC is as a result of denials', utter
> arrogance individualism and at best a menace of tyranny  of the* FIRTH
> Column mission.*
>
> When we made a call  *FOR  POLITICAL MEDIATION *we were avoiding the
> embarrassment and the implications that mighty happen if PAC people cannot
> resolve their affairs , after court battles for many years could not assist
> the party rather entrenching the cult /factional tendencies.
>
> The illustrious service by our founding fathers give us courage
> determination never to forsake PAC rather seek measure political to resolve
> our conflict. Our interest must be stated first crystal clear that *OUR
> INTREST IS THE ORGANISATION PAC nothing else .*
> *For these reason we went length and breath persuading/convincing all PAC
> people to take the route of POLITICAL MEDIATION between the "belligerents"
> called factions if only the damage to PAC would be understood these are"
> belligerents".*
>
> We have call upon to the old Guard of the party/veterans of the PAC to
> provide wisdom and guidance to Political Mediation between the"
> belligerents" for the damage is denying the future of a New Africa. Our
> call upon  the old VANGUARD against all odds We firmly believe in the
> saying" *OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE THEY JUST FADE AWAY*" *GEN:* *Macarthur*. We
> trusted, therefore, that the old guard will do justice of  calming the
> "belligerents" to consider the supreme sacrifices done by many
> patriots/cadres for PAC the custodian of Azanian Liberation. *The
> organizational interest which will eventually lead the National interest
> had been one purpose in our mind. The call for a POLITICAL MEDIATION WAS
> AND WILL STILL REMAIN ESSENTIAL TO A SOLUTION FOR PAC.*
> *No man or woman in his right state of mind who is PAC WOULD ADVOCATE THE
> CONTINUATION OF THE CURRENT STATUS QUO. Political Mediation could and would
> lead to new political decisions essential for the solution.*
>
> What advantage had been gained by these belligerents since it started? We
> have stated from the start that a Political Mediation with propose term of
> references is a solution the very prolonged indecisions coupled with
> arrogance limitation on the other side made PAC to be where it is today.
> Our organization is singing confusion individualism caught in the dark
> night of wolves and hyenas gone are the days of joy and ardent belief in
> PAC to lead us to liberation.
>
> The reservoirs of your wisdom can still give the Political Mediation a
> time and space to solve our conflict.
> *You trained us, you teach us, you show us the road, you prepared us you
> have done every good thing a genuine revolutionary could possible do to
> make sure the revolutionary spirit never dies.*
> * All your personal squabbles aside Call Political M*ediation  *WITH NO
> FAVOUR BUT FOR THE PAC.*
>
> *I remain one who see an opportunity in every calamity besetting PAC. I am
> the generation of the African Warriors who continues to fight with their

[PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

PAC Johannesburg Region extends an invitation to all PAC Branches and
Members to former PAC President *Zephania Mothopeng Total Liberation
Dialogue.*

Events Details:-

Zepth Lekoane Mothopeng Total Liberation Dialogue

*Them: African Youths and Workers Arise For Total Liberation of Africa on a
Socialist Programme*

Key Speakers:

*Ali Hlongwane on The Life and Time of former PAC President Zepth Mothopeng*
(*Former AZANYU Member and a Pan Africanist Researcher)*

*Joe Thloloe *on *Youths and Workers Central to Achieve Total African
Liberation* (Member of the PAC, political detainee, chairman of the South
African National Editors' Forum(SANEF);

*Ntsie Mohloai on The outstanding Liberation Mission- the Overthrow of
Capitalism and White Supremacy* (Former AZANYU President and PAC National
Organiser)

*Joseph Mathunjwa (AMCU President) African Mineworkers conditions and
struggles *

*Facilitator(s): Dumisani Zwane and Lehlohonolo Shale.*

Venue: Braamfontein Civic Centre

Date: 24th October 2015

Time : 09H30 - 15H30

Lunch Will be Served!

African Youths and Workers Arise to Overthrow White Supremacy and
Capitalism For details contact: Nico Mmotong 084 697 3590084 697 3590 or
Nkrumah Kgagudi 074 922 6361074 922 6361


Izwe lethu

Nkrumah

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[PAYCO] Fwd: Corruption in South Africa Is A Major Obstacle and Has Reached A Tipping Point

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

s. The logic behind this is that capitalists tend to close ranks and
defend their common class interest -- against so unified a foe, can a
divided workforce possibly prevail? The history of business unionism
reveals that it cannot. It was this idea that led to the IWW slogan, "an
injury to one is an injury to all."

Solidarity is the glue that holds the revolutionary union together, which
is both an asset and a liability. It is a liability because it depends on
workers closing ranks and working together as a whole, which doesn't always
occur. Scabs, or workers who cross the picket line during a strike, are
always a threat to organized labor solidarity. Because unions represent
large numbers of people, organizing solidarity is a daunting task, and is
often unsuccessful. When it works, it works well.

*THE FUTURE OF LABOR*

The revolutionary unionist seeks more than simply increases in pay or
benefits -- the revolutionary unionist pursues longer-ranging workplace
changes. A long-standing revolutionary union goal was more leisure time for
the worker, measured in a shorter workday. It was the efforts of
revolutionary unionists that cut the 16-hour workday in half, and radical
unionists today would like to see the workday cut in half yet again. This
wish can only come about in the wake of intense, large-scale organizing,
something which has been impossible for nearly 70 years.

However, with the continued withering away of business unions, an opening
has grown for renewed radical unionism. The challenges are enormous, but
the opportunity is there. This has been made possible, conversely, by the
greed and machinations of Capital itself -- as the bosses seek to reduce
American workers' pay, increase their hours, and slash their benefits, they
have themselves created a revolutionary situation.

Management is very aware of this situation, however -- which is why there
has been a proliferation of "empowerment sessions" and "team-building"
initiatives in companies, where they seek to buy off the workers they still
retain with union-style benefits without the unions. In other words, the
appearance of empowerment, versus actual workplace empowerment. This
masterful PR effort by management reveals the extent to which they'll go to
see unionism finally destroyed. Companies want workers to think they're on
the same team as their bosses, the way business unions believe. But it's a
lie, and always will be.

No amount of bogus empowerment conferences can change the static
environment in which workers operate -- where all initiative comes from
above, and where their pay continues to stagnate, and they are forced to
work longer hours in increasingly precarious jobs. Fear is what binds the
non-union workplace, just as solidarity is what holds together the union
shop.

Will this continue indefinitely? I don't believe it will. It can't, because
working people are being screwed right and left by management, no matter
how many happy faces they try to put on their schemes. It simply isn't part
of human nature to take it on the chin so many times without wanting to
take a few swings yourself. Big Business has had it coming for a long time
-- with the State behind them, they've grown arrogant with power, and think
they can grind people into the ground with impunity. This can't go on
forever.

The challenge for the revolutionary unionist is to adapt to these new
conditions and bring real improvements in the lives of workers. One thing
that killed revolutionary unionism in the past was the inability of such
unions to consistently bring real benefits to working people -- something
business unions could do in the form of contracts and pay increases. The
new revolutionary union will have to keep a focus on meat and potatoes
issues at the same time it focuses on actual radical unionizing efforts.

Business unionism is dead; it just doesn't know it yet. It will keep losing
as we move through this transitional period of the globalization of
Capital. Does this mean there's no hope for working folks? Not at all -- it
only means there is no middle ground between Labor and Capital -- a
position mistakenly occupied by the business unionists. It will mean that
the revolutionary union, so long considered a fossil of a bygone age, will
become the only possible avenue left for working people who want a real say
in what goes on in the workplace

Regards





*Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi*

*Researcher and Policy Analyst*

*Contacts:*

*E-maill :* raymond.kgag...@wits.ac.za

*Mobile phone*: 074 922 6361



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[PAYCO] Fwd: Business Unionism or Revolutionary Unionism

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

st effective one. Workers are most effective in pushing their agendas
while still on the job, using a variety of direct action tactics.

In revolutionary unions, there is no status hierarchy between workers -- no
distinction between senior and junior workers. Moreover, there is no union
bureaucracy or leadership to decide for workers what does or does not get
done. All initiative comes from below -- from the rank-and-file, who, by
their own efforts, make their wishes felt and known. This approach produces
a considerably more democratic union, with an active, informed membership.

Revolutionary unions practice industrial unionism; that is, the idea that
instead of workers dividing themselves into manifold trades, and defending
their interests to the exclusion of others, there are, instead, only two
classifications in working society -- workers and capitalists. That is,
those who work for a living, and those who live on others' work. Those who
take orders, and those who give them.

The revolutionary unionist seeks One Big Union, instead of many little
ones. The logic behind this is that capitalists tend to close ranks and
defend their common class interest -- against so unified a foe, can a
divided workforce possibly prevail? The history of business unionism
reveals that it cannot. It was this idea that led to the IWW slogan, "an
injury to one is an injury to all."

Solidarity is the glue that holds the revolutionary union together, which
is both an asset and a liability. It is a liability because it depends on
workers closing ranks and working together as a whole, which doesn't always
occur. Scabs, or workers who cross the picket line during a strike, are
always a threat to organized labor solidarity. Because unions represent
large numbers of people, organizing solidarity is a daunting task, and is
often unsuccessful. When it works, it works well.

*THE FUTURE OF LABOR*

The revolutionary unionist seeks more than simply increases in pay or
benefits -- the revolutionary unionist pursues longer-ranging workplace
changes. A long-standing revolutionary union goal was more leisure time for
the worker, measured in a shorter workday. It was the efforts of
revolutionary unionists that cut the 16-hour workday in half, and radical
unionists today would like to see the workday cut in half yet again. This
wish can only come about in the wake of intense, large-scale organizing,
something which has been impossible for nearly 70 years.

However, with the continued withering away of business unions, an opening
has grown for renewed radical unionism. The challenges are enormous, but
the opportunity is there. This has been made possible, conversely, by the
greed and machinations of Capital itself -- as the bosses seek to reduce
American workers' pay, increase their hours, and slash their benefits, they
have themselves created a revolutionary situation.

Management is very aware of this situation, however -- which is why there
has been a proliferation of "empowerment sessions" and "team-building"
initiatives in companies, where they seek to buy off the workers they still
retain with union-style benefits without the unions. In other words, the
appearance of empowerment, versus actual workplace empowerment. This
masterful PR effort by management reveals the extent to which they'll go to
see unionism finally destroyed. Companies want workers to think they're on
the same team as their bosses, the way business unions believe. But it's a
lie, and always will be.

No amount of bogus empowerment conferences can change the static
environment in which workers operate -- where all initiative comes from
above, and where their pay continues to stagnate, and they are forced to
work longer hours in increasingly precarious jobs. Fear is what binds the
non-union workplace, just as solidarity is what holds together the union
shop.

Will this continue indefinitely? I don't believe it will. It can't, because
working people are being screwed right and left by management, no matter
how many happy faces they try to put on their schemes. It simply isn't part
of human nature to take it on the chin so many times without wanting to
take a few swings yourself. Big Business has had it coming for a long time
-- with the State behind them, they've grown arrogant with power, and think
they can grind people into the ground with impunity. This can't go on
forever.

The challenge for the revolutionary unionist is to adapt to these new
conditions and bring real improvements in the lives of workers. One thing
that killed revolutionary unionism in the past was the inability of such
unions to consistently bring real benefits to working people -- something
business unions could do in the form of contracts and pay increases. The
new revolutionary union will have to keep a focus on meat and potatoes
issues at the same time it focuses on actual radical unionizing efforts.

Business u

RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: FUNERAL DETAILS OF SAKI SELL MAFATSHE

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Hawu, M’afrika Saki is no more, this is shocking! Indeed it is the darkest 
before dawn!

 

Thanks for the information

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: 04 March 2015 02:52 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: FUNERAL DETAILS OF SAKI SELL MAFATSHE

 

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From: "Thabang Mothelo" 
Date: Mar 4, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: FUNERAL DETAILS OF SAKI SELL MAFATSHE
To: "Dudu Phama" , , 
, "Chris Sabela" , "APLA Junior Ntabeni" 
, "FihlA" 
Cc: , , 
, , "L.R. Mbinda" 
, "justice mvakali" , "Matlala 
Limpopo" , , 
, "Sbusiso Xaba" , "Smoll 
Zondo" , , 
, , , 
, , , 
"Narius Moloto" , , "Simphiwe 
Nofuma" , , 
, "phillip Dhlamini" , 
, , , 
, , , "Fumanile 
Ben" , "Mbulelo Raymond" , 
, "Jaki" , "Justice Ntshuntsha" 
, , "Mbusi" 
, "Mawethu Ntlabathi" , 
, , "Horatio Motjuwadi" 
, , 
, "Richard Sizani" , 
, , "Thabang Mothelo" 
, "Tommy Kantando" , "Tommy 
Ntando" 



Dear M'Afrika,

 

Please receive update for the funeral of Saki Sello Mafatshe, as attached.

 

 

 

 

 

Yours,

 

Thabo Mothelo

081 552 6803 

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RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Greeting friends and comrades!

 

“Never in history has any class achieved power without having political 
leaders, men capable of organising a movement and leading it” – Lenin. A cadre 
is a professional revolutionary, a qualified graduate in the art of revolution, 
from the purifying school of practical and ideological battles in defence of 
the poor and oppressed masses. None of us can refute that “the PAC has been 
slowly evaporating itself into total oblivion from the political radar”. We 
must note that these writings remain an exchange among us with access to Payco 
google group and worse of all are ignored by those leading the party who holds 
divergent ideas and methods responsible of the disintegration of the PAC, to 
reason with them has proven to be a futile exercise and thus delivered either 
sour fruits or nothing except maliciousness.  The only logical action, is those 
who uphold the necessity of a revolutionary Pan Africanist organisation and 
accept such bitter truths and willing to explore ways and means to (re-) build 
a revolutionary Pan Africanist Party should converge and execute the necessary 
mass based programme.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome
Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

 

Comrade Sebenzile,

I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade.

Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you and then to end differently? 
Since you are not here to engage in 'real time' I am now answering the 
foregoing question on your behalf. This I do in the knowledge that you are my 
Friend, and one of the finest of our generation.

The question is, have you not been a part of this slumber, self exaggeration 
and pity ? The immediate answer is that you have been. And in addition if you 
wish to contest this, what have you done to change this state? Was it enough 
and or sufficient? All these questions seem to leave you on weaker ground. 

Are you still willing to hear this my Friend ?

I thank you for allowing me to 'attack' you in this way without seeing my 
points as personal affront but an invitation to do more, and my sternest belief 
that you have what it takes to exert yourself more.

Revolution and change require more than just type-writer bravery and 
intelligence. 

It is for this reason that mediocre lead the gifted and talented comrades like 
you. 

The pain and task of leading a revolution and party building are much more 
excruciating than that.

Having said all of the above, to you my dear Friend, I here add my voice of 
praise to the validity that belies your submission. 

That question must occupy all of us, that is whether this vehicle can still 
carry this agenda, and whether it is not a wreckage from which we must isolate, 
extricate and advance the potent agenda contained therein. Signs are all that 
you are right, and on this one, very brave too, to have the guts to point this 
out. I do not have to remind you how Sobukwe was at some point like you, like 
you in that when the charterists ditched the Africanist program, and thus 
rendering themselves a wreckage, he and others were brave enough to say, let us 
pick the agenda away from this and find a vehicle to advance it. And they left 
a movement that was almost five decades old. That was brave. So we have to 
listen to you and to confront this question, and do an urgent assessment of 
whether the current vehicle is still a vehicle or a wreckage that is about to 
burn. And whether its immobility is a temporal state which can be fixed. If the 
latter is correct, I am sure there is extreme urgency. This view, the latter 
one, is getting weak by the day, as pitched against the reality of a vehicle 
that may have become a wreck.

So well done my dear Friend !!

Another thing that has been killing me inside is this:

Have we imagined the potential pain of putting everything aside to fight for a 
people and movement who in your darkest days or even so, in your dying days are 
nowhere to acknowledge your sacrifices. I speak here of the many Apla boys who 
were hanged and those who continue to suffer in and outside of jail. What about 
their mothers, brothers and children? All that sacrifice gone to waste ? 

The above really really kills me. 

You see Gadaffi died a good one, Che, Saddam, Lumumba, Kwame and many others. 
Their flame continues. What about the flame of these comrades and martyrs.

So in the light of the above, the neglect of those who suffered and the state 
of the party, this question that you raise is most poignant.

I have not even dealt with our participation in contemporary issues, and our 
ability to contend with the future. 

So I put up my hands again to clap in praise of your bravery.

This is my type writer support to your comments.

Izwe Lethu ! I-Afrika !

Matome Mashao

Sent from my BlackBerry®

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RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrila Malaza

 

Leon Trotsky, one of the leaders of the 1917 Russian revolution, summed up the 
reason in 1938 when he wrote: "The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to 
the crisis of the revolutionary leadership" (from The Transitional Programme, 
written for the founding congress of the Fourth International). These words are 
as true today as they were then. Trotsky, in his book The History of the 
Russian Revolution, wrote: "Without a guiding organisation, the energy of the 
masses would dissipate like steam not enclosed in a piston box. But 
nevertheless, what moves things is not the piston or the box but the steam".

 

Discussion on the need for a revolutionary party and its form of organisation 
is very important today, especially as many young people regard themselves as 
‘anti-capitalist’ and are interested in socialist ideas including Pan 
Africanism, but have a degree of mistrust towards political parties which are 
consumed by bourgeoisie politics and sophistry of the African comprador 
bourgeoisie . This is hardly surprising given the bureaucratic and undemocratic 
methods of the main capitalist political parties and the attacks they make on 
living standards when in power.  

 

To be successful, insurrection must rely not upon conspiracy and not upon a 
party, but upon the advanced class. That is the first point. Insurrection must 
rely upon a revolutionary upsurge of the people. That is the second point. 
Insurrection must rely upon that turning-point in the history of the growing 
revolution when the activity of the advanced ranks of the people is at its 
height, and when the vacillations in the ranks of the enemy and in the ranks of 
the weak, half-hearted and irresolute friends of the revolution are strongest. 

 

Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without any restrictions. 
But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to expel 
members who use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of 
speech and the press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be 
complete too. I am bound to accord you, in the name of free speech, the full 
right to shout, lie and write to your heart’s content. But you are bound to 
grant me, in the name of freedom of association, the right to enter into, or 
withdraw from, association with people advocating this or that view. The party 
is a voluntary association, which would inevitably break up, first 
ideologically and then physically, if it did not cleanse itself of people 
advocating anti-party views.

 

“Victory will belong only to those who have faith in the people, those who are 
immersed in the life-giving spring of popular creativity” Lenin

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome
Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

 

Comrade Sebenzile,

I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade.

Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you and then to end differently? 
Since you are not here to engage in 'real time' I am now answering the 
foregoing question on your behalf. This I do in the knowledge that you are my 
Friend, and one of the finest of our generation.

The question is, have you not been a part of this slumber, self exaggeration 
and pity ? The immediate answer is that you have been. And in addition if you 
wish to contest this, what have you done to change this state? Was it enough 
and or sufficient? All these questions seem to leave you on weaker ground. 

Are you still willing to hear this my Friend ?

I thank you for allowing me to 'attack' you in this way without seeing my 
points as personal affront but an invitation to do more, and my sternest belief 
that you have what it takes to exert yourself more.

Revolution and change require more than just type-writer bravery and 
intelligence. 

It is for this reason that mediocre lead the gifted and talented comrades like 
you. 

The pain and task of leading a revolution and party building are much more 
excruciating than that.

Having said all of the above, to you my dear Friend, I here add my voice of 
praise to the validity that belies your submission. 

That question must occupy all of us, that is whether this vehicle can still 
carry this agenda, and whether it is not a wreckage from which we must isolate, 
extricate and advance the potent agenda contained therein. Signs are all that 
you are right, and on this one, very brave too, to have the guts to point this 
out. I do not have to remind you how Sobukwe was at some point like you, like 
you in that when the charterists ditched the Africanist program, and thus 
rendering themselves a wreckage, he and others were brave enough to say, let us 
pick the agenda away from this and find a vehicle to advance it. And they left 
a movement that was almost five decades old. That was brave. So we have to 
listen to you and to 

RE: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

We herewith inform and invite all PAC member residing in Johannesburg Region to 
participate and contribute in the party re-building programme. The Johannesburg 
Regional meetings are opened to all PAC members (with or without a branch and 
membership cards) Kindly note and diarise the following dates for political 
events and activities planned for February 2015 in Johannesburg Region as 
discussed and approve at various regional Interbranch meetings:-

2015 Theme:- Unite, Consolidate and Advance Pan Africanism for the Seizure of 
State Political Power On A Socialist Programme!

 

2.   PAC Johannesburg Region InterBranch Meeting

Purpose of the meeting to 1. Outline Regional Strategy, 2. Establish Regional 
Sub-Working Committee such Political Campaigns Sub-Committee, Political 
Education Sub-Committee, Finances and Resources Mobilisation Sub-Committee, 
Publicity and Information Sub-Committee; 3. Release APLA Freedom Fighters 
Campaign 4. Community Based Campaigns etc;

Venue   : PACE College Zola

Date : 7th February 2015 

Time : 11:00 – 16:00  

 

3.   Sobukwe Month Planned Activities

(i)   Orlando East Political Lecture for the mainly the community

Venue: Orlando Communal Hall

Date: 15th February 2015

Time: 15:00 -18:00

 

4.   (ii)  Poetry Session Dedication for RM Sobukwe

Venue: Sister Sister (Dlamini Section) or Drill Hall (Twist Street opposite to 
MTN Noord Taxi Rand between Plein Street and Develliers)

Date: 22nd February 2015

Time: 12:00 – 18:00

 

(ii) RM Sobukwe Public Lecture

Welcome remarks: Dr Motsoko Pheko

Key note Speaker: 1. Prof Herbert Vilakazi or Prof Sipho Tshabalala

Key note Speaker: 2. Prof John Trimble (AAPRP)

Venue: University of Johannesburg

Date : 26th February 2015

Time : 15:00 – 19:00

5.   Release APLA Freedom Fighters Campaign Planned Activities

(i)   Picket Protest Action 1

Place: Cape Town, Parliament 

Date: 12th February 2015

Time: 12:00 – 20:00

(ii) Picket Protest Action 2

Place : Boksburg Correctional Prison

Date : 12th February 2015

Time : 06:00- 13:00

(iii)   Picket Protest Action 3

Place : Sun City Johannesburg Prison

Date : 13th February 2015 

Time : 06:00 – 13:00

(iv)   Picket Protest and March 4

Place : Tshwane (Pretoria), Department of Correctional Services (Head Offices)

Date :  27th February 2015

10:00 – 15:00

6.   Johannesburg Regional (inclusive) Conference

Theme:- Unite, Consolidate and Advance Pan Africanism for the Seizure of State 
Political Power On A Socialist Programme!

Venue : Ipelegeng Community Centre 

Date : 27th – 29th March 2015

 

Your participation and contribution to re-build and re-organise the PAC to 
assume and advance the Africa Revolution, time dictate upon us to confront and 
resolve the internal impediments which had threw PAC into total oblivion.  
“Never in history has any class achieved power without having political 
leaders, men capable of organising a movement and leading it” – Lenin. A cadre 
is a professional revolutionary, a qualified graduate in the art of revolution, 
from the purifying school of practical and ideological battles in defence of 
the poor and oppressed masses.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matome
Sent: 01 February 2015 10:45 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Quo Vadis PAC

 

Comrade Sebenzile,

I hope you are well my dearest Friend and Comrade.

Would you allow me to take off by 'attacking' you and then to end differently? 
Since you are not here to engage in 'real time' I am now answering the 
foregoing question on your behalf. This I do in the knowledge that you are my 
Friend, and one of the finest of our generation.

The question is, have you not been a part of this slumber, self exaggeration 
and pity ? The immediate answer is that you have been. And in addition if you 
wish to contest this, what have you done to change this state? Was it enough 
and or sufficient? All these questions seem to leave you on weaker ground. 

Are you still willing to hear this my Friend ?

I thank you for allowing me to 'attack' you in this way without seeing my 
points as personal affront but an invitation to do more, and my sternest belief 
that you have what it takes to exert yourself more.

Revolution and change require more than just type-writer bravery and 
intelligence. 

It is for this reason that mediocre lead the gifted and talented comrades like 
you. 

The pain and task of leading a revolution and party building are much more 
excruciating than that.

Having said all of the above, to you my dear Friend, I here add my voice of 
praise to the validity that belies your submission. 

That question must occupy all of us, that is whether this vehicle can still 
carry this agenda, and whether it is not a wreckage from which we must isolate, 
extricate and advance the p

RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika Mdu

 

The question is what has been achieved thus far in the PAC, noting that every 
little work undertaken on ground to revive, re-organise and attempt to build a 
mass based political character for and in the PAC, such efforts are nullified 
by persisting internal feuding which cut deep and may be deeply rooted across 
all levels and structures of the party! There is a leadership that is committed 
on driving divisive and subjective agenda which are responsible for the 
continued disintegration of the PAC at the rate never seen before. 

 

During the epoch of the struggle waged against the settler colonial apartheid 
regime, PAC has to a larger extent withstood external attempts to destroy PAC 
but today failures of CIA, MOSSAD, MI5/10, NIA to sow divisions and destroy the 
PAC, but this has been achieved in less than five years single-handed destroyed 
systematically by organising to disorganise to disintegrate the PAC beyond 
extinction by sowing seeds of mistrust, infighting leading to divisions, 
confusion, absence of organisation.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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Sent: 28 January 2015 07:18 PM
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Subject: [PAYCO]

 

Comrades

 

It seems the discussions we had for years on this platform have disappeared.

It is not clear whether it is disillusionment or members have become weary of

Discussing issues for the PAC which doesn’t progress. The paralysis of the PAC

Is at its dangerous space than before. Little if nothing has been heard from 
the PAC after

Our poor electoral showings last year. Moreover, what compounds

Our ills is the leadership scuffles which don’t seem to end. Political vacuum

Exists in the context of oppositional politics. The populists EFF has not made 
any difference in challenging the

The ANC, I know some may think it has, due to its rhetoric of pay back the 
money politics in parliament.

The politics of Azania has been marred by anarchy in law making institutions. 
Where is PAC in leading the masses ?

Are we dead now ? please reply 

 

 

 

 

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[PAYCO] PAC Commemoration of Historic Occurrences To Massed Based Organisational Work in 2015

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

These years and days PAC, AZAPO and SOPA had been reduced to organising
yearly historic events which is nothing but commemoration of historic
occurrences such as February Sobukwe Month, Sharpville-Langa Anti Pass
Campaign Massacres; June 16 National Students Uprisings, 1 May Workers Day
(no longer organised by these socialist parties), 31 July Heroes day,
September Biko Month, APLA Day, and many other days!

We must break this vicious circle of historic events commemorations and the
conditions of retrogression must be changed as we march into 2015.United
with other formations seeking emancipation of the African people, I will be
glad to see PAC, AZAPO and SOPA banners every month leading and forming part
of mass based protest actions for:-

1. Free quality education from primary until university, education
curriculum (content and outcomes) should be aligned and support
industrialisation and broader economic development and emancipatory
programme! Fifty FET Colleges with 300 campuses should be directly linked
with industries and offer vocationally demanded skills and training
programmes; Teachers training colleges should be re-opened for massive and
qualitative training of education professional/practioners! SETAs have
become an unjustified skills training bodies which must be abolished, the
R37,5 billion distributed among SETAs yearly should be directed to fund,
support and build FETs, Teacher Training Colleges and Nurses Training
Colleges skills development capacity demands and infrastructure as part of
human capital development strategy;

  

2. Free quality and accessible health system -demanding more nurses,
proper infrastructure and doctor including best working conditions for all
workers in the public health system! Nursing colleges should re-open for
massive training of professional health workers to resolve shortage of
professional workers within five to ten years!  Demand abolishment of
private education and private health care subsystem, existence of dual
private and public system perpetuate inequalities and unequal distribution
of resources!

3. 3 Basic Meals  per Person in every household per Day (Breakfast,
Lunch and Supper) therefore food should be accessible to all based on a
daily well-balanced diet programme,  thus crops and stock farmers should be
supported, subsidized  and land should made available for massive
agricultural production aiming eradication of hunger within five years!
Sankara having direct control of the land largely-used primitive methods and
eradicated hunger in less than 5 year, in this country with all the latest
contemporary world class resources, hunger can be eradicated indeed in less
than 5 years including reduction of infants & child mortality rate as a
consequence of hunger and poverty stricken conditions!

 

4. Mining and Extraction of minerals mainly as which has commercially
valuable amounts of metals should processed and beneficiated in the country
to drive industrialisation which should contribute in to expanding the
manufacturing industries thus lead to massive employment of the people!
Labour brokers and precarious employment (jobs) with poverty wages must be
abolished, people must be afforded job security with justified wages to live
in humane conditions! 

 

5. Housing the People to Create homes which encourage a compatible mix
of uses in neighbourhoods that provide opportunities to live, work and play.
And also protect rural areas for a viable rural economy, agricultural
resources, environmentally sensitive recreation and enjoyment of the rural
landscape. Design neighbourhoods to improve access to community life. Expand
transportation options that encourage travel by foot, bike and transit and
enhance efficient interregional-&-interprovincial transportation
connections. Township should transform to liveable and humane standards.

 

As members and branches of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, we should
forge principled unity based on mass based programmes and political work!

Shango lashu-Open Palm Salute!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

074 922 6361

PAC Pimville Branch

 

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[PAYCO] PAC Johannesburg region Inter-Branch Meeting Outcomes

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greetings Sons and Daughters of the African Soil 

 

Be informed that the Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting held on the 6th 
December 2014 in Orlando East at White Church took key resolutions to unite 
party members and branches. PAC Johannesburg Region no longer has parallel 
structures, as PAC in Johannesburg region we have agreed to form a single 
inclusive Regional Coordinating Structure that has been mandated to drive party 
unity and reorganisation of PAC in Johannesburg. The 6th December 2014 meeting 
also adopted Regional programme of action and strategies to rebuild and 
re-organise the region.

 

Our collective task is to revive all branches and members, we aim to 
re-establish at least 30 branches and each branch having at least 300 members 
including forming all component structures particularly PASO, PASMA, PALF, 
APLAMVA and PAWO.   

 

The next Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting will be held on the 24th 
January 2015, time 10:00 -16:00, Place: Meadowlands Venue- KwaMahlobo Primary 
School, Zone 10. All PAC branches and members should attend, we will finalise 
the following:-

 

- Branches and Members Mobilisation and Organisation Report

- Veterans Regional Meeting Report

- Sobukwe (February) Month Planned Activities

- March 2015 Inclusive Regional Conference 

- Forming Regional Working Committees 

(namely Political Campaigns  Working Committee; Political Education Working 
Committee; Publicity and Information Working Committee;  Resources & Finance 
Mobilisation Working Committee. 

- Johannesburg Regional Offices  

 

For details contact members of the Regional Coordinating Structure.

 

Forward With Principled Party Unity!

 

Forward With African Unity & Socialism in Our Lifetime!

 

Shango lashu!   

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] PAC Johannesburg region Inter-Branch Meeting Outcomes

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greetings Sons and Daughters of the African Soil 

 

Be informed that the Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting held on the 6th 
December 2014 in Orlando East at White Church took key resolutions to unite 
party members and branches. PAC Johannesburg Region no longer has parallel 
structures, as PAC in Johannesburg region we have agreed to form a single 
inclusive Regional Coordinating Structure that has been mandated to drive party 
unity and reorganisation of PAC in Johannesburg. The 6th December 2014 meeting 
also adopted Regional programme of action and strategies to rebuild and 
re-organise the region.

 

Our collective task is to revive all branches and members, we aim to 
re-establish at least 30 branches and each branch having at least 300 members 
including forming all component structures particularly PASO, PASMA, PALF, 
APLAMVA and PAWO.   

 

The next Johannesburg Inter-Branch Regional meeting will be held on the 24th 
January 2015, time 10:00 -16:00, Place: Meadowlands Venue- KwaMahlobo Primary 
School, Zone 10. All PAC branches and members should attend, we will finalise 
the following:-

 

- Branches and Members Mobilisation and Organisation Report

- Veterans Regional Meeting Report

- Sobukwe (February) Month Planned Activities

- March 2015 Inclusive Regional Conference 

- Forming Regional Working Committees 

(namely Political Campaigns  Working Committee; Political Education Working 
Committee; Publicity and Information Working Committee;  Resources & Finance 
Mobilisation Working Committee. 

- Johannesburg Regional Offices  

 

For details contact members of the Regional Coordinating Structure.

 

Forward With Principled Party Unity!

 

Forward With African Unity & Socialism in Our Lifetime!

 

Shango lashu!   

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] Death Has Once More Deprived Us One of Our Own Seasoned and Finest Cadre

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Wed 2014/11/05 09:37 AM "Please phone me when you get time new political
development we must discuss" from Clarence Mayekiso.I called Cde Clarence
the following day, that is, on Thursday 06 November, we had a long chat
about the confusion within the party and failure of some our comrades
failing to appreciate to place conclusion of the Political Programme of
Action as the basis to unite i-party and advance its revolutionary Pan
Africanist Agenda to overthrow capitalism and white supremacy. 


We concluded to meet sometime in November in further explore concrete
actions to unite i-Party and advance its revolutionary Pan Africanist
Agenda. 

I got an sms which states that Cde Clarence Mayekiso has passed on, I
refused to believe and treated the sms as another political mischievous acts
for I personally spoke to Cde Clarence not long but three days back. After
thought, I called his workplace which confirmed that indeed former PASMA
Secretary General Cde Clarence Mayekiso has passed on, he collapsed. 

Death Has Once More Deprived Us One of Our Own Seasoned and Finest Cadre:
Former PASMA Secretary General Clarence (Hadebe) Mayekiso
Ni yi sibane sethu maqhawe ase-Azania. . .(singing)

 Shango lashu!
Nkrumah

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[PAYCO] Botshabelo Stadium Arena on the 27th -28th September Conference.

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Today from 3:00 am I was reading the report presented by PAC Secretary
General Narius Moloto at Botshabelo Stadium Arena on the 27th -28th
September factional Conference. This report was supposed to be both
organisational and political report which accounts ad explains about the
PAC's progress to advance the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto summed as the
five (5) Aims and Objectives of the PAC. The organisational and political
report should go further to objectively propose and recommend actions that
must be undertaken to unite and strengthen the PAC's fighting capacity to
propagate and advance Pan Africanist ideas in Azania and at Pan African
scope, but the report dismally fails to adopt a constructive attitude and
approach but it energy and resources were spent (wasted) to wage personal
attacks and reporting about the ANC! It is time that PAC members and
branches should unite and focus on propagating and advancing Pan Africanist
ideas as articulated by the President Kwame Nkrumah and the founders of PAC
in 1959. 

Haai M'Afrika, it is indeed tough and has become the darkest moments of PAC,
simply because the worst rot and decay has taken toll, in my life -more than
24 years from PASO to PASMA to PAC, I have never seen such form of a
national report which does nothing but sharpens internal party antagonisms
and aims at heightening internal feuding in the party! This report does
nothing but mobilises those who attended the Botshabelo September 2014
Conference to sharpen their claws in the factional battles. 

Almost majority of pages and content of the report is personality attacks
and failures of this or NEC members. The report when summed up, it says PAC
is a hopeless party, this you can easily read once again on page 34-35! It
is PAC Conference which should consider and deliberate on PAC' ideological,
political and organisational progress since 2012 July Umtata-Butterworth
National Congress and also recommendations as to what must be done to unite,
rebuild and advance Pan Africanism but the report there are more pages
dedicated on justifying internal factional feuding and ANC Activities!

The report fails to reflect and analyse the daily struggles faced and waged
by the labouring African majority. The report does not further explain that
the current epoch of people's suffering is a direct consequence of
neo-colonialism which is nothing but a manifestation of stranglehold of
capitalism and white supremacy, whose destruction requires the party to
focus and deepen mobilisation and organisation of the most downtrodden and
toiling labouring African majority on an socialist programme! Surely, the
report was supposed to confirm what Chairman John Nyathi Pokela once uttered
that settler colonial apartheid system cannot be reformed but must
dismantled by total overthrow by all means necessary, and that 1994 did
vokol however reformed an oppressive and exploitative capitalist and white
supremacist system! 

The report fails to explain and reflect of the state and progress for
emancipation of African people in Africa and the Diaspora, it fails to
explain how far in Africa did Pan Africanist ideas progressed against
capitalism and white supremacy!

I encourage all PAC members to get a copy of their own, ready, study and
analyse what must be done emanating from this report!

Ni yi sibane sethu maqhawe ase-Azania. . .(singing)

Shango lashu!

 

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RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Percy

In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried 
within your own question because of the following anormalies that occurred, 
without being dragged and drawn into internal feuding details, what is 
confronting us is the forward movement of the PAC. Hence, we posit before all 
members that it is imminent that PAC branches and members denounce anyone 
advocating Anti-Unity, secondly we urge all PAC branches and members to unite 
on the basis of a Programme of Action for the Seizure of State Political Power 
to Advance and Establish the Africanist Socialist Democracy! Hence we urge and 
appeal with all PAC Branches and members to organise inclusive regional and 
provincial conferences as we engage the three (3) feuding NECs to unite on the 
basis of Programme of Action! 

Rena Ga Re Nyake Ditshele, Re Nyaka Revolution!

Shnago Lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgaudi   

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy 
motswaledi
Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

Good Day MoAfrika Linda

its Lion of Azania Here
Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want 
us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this 
time i am sure one covers his failures and its a petty that people look at 
their stomach and forget about the Broather Movement, From me, The Meeting that 
discuss the revaival of PAC is Relevant that to interogate the status od the 
Meeting, i have a quetion YOU all, Who is PAc president and what is he doing to 
build the Party,if he is doing some thing, where is he doing it, that man he is 
Invisible and we wand Visibility.

Now my suggestion is Stop Harassing the Frastrated Africans and Champion real 
challenges affecting p[eople and Start with Ebola



On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 + "Mphiri Masoga"  wrote

> Good Morning Linda
> 
> Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting & where were 
> the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former 
> Presidents of that meeting?
>
> As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left
> the organisation and or are operating outside party fold.
>
> What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called "faction"
> or grouping? 
>
>  Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your
> correspondence, on what capacity are you writingkind Regards, 
> 
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU PTA
> Tel : 012 320 6472
> Fax : 012 320 2179
> Fax2Email: 0862254254
> Cell : 0731822656
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Linda Ndebele" 
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09
> To: 
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
> 
> Revolutionary greetings,
>  
> To all PAC members and structures:
>  
> After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC 
> groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this 
> past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to 
> correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic 
> liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring 
> solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity 
> challenges. The meeting widens in
scope
> at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The 
> Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by 
> former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading 
> PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following:
> 1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2.
> To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist 
> Socialist Democracy 3.
> To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding 
> factions 4.Call for the convening of an All Inclusive 
> Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent 
> team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a 
> National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and 
> establishment
of
> an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the 
> three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 
> 6.Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and 
> veterans
>  
> In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members 
> to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a 
> radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the 
> aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as 
> the principal means. It is a call not to be missed !!
> Linda K Ndebele
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> 
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> Uns

RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Masoga

I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi, formed part of the meeting reported by Cde Linda 
Ndebele, all comrades who attended the meeting on the 15th October 2014 are PAC 
members in as far as I recalled none of them were expelled nor terminated their 
PAC membership. However, who attended the meeting is immaterial what is 
substantive is to arrest the disintegration of the PAC by feuds and self 
selving individuals pursuing rightist political line. 

The most basic and straightforward aspect that must be addressed  and agreed to 
is:-

1. Unity of PAC branches and members for the seizure of state political power 
and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy;
2. We need a mediation team to facilitate dissolution of parallel structures 
across the country and organisation of an inclusive national conference of PAC;
3. To form a Programme of Action Team which will undertake to develop a 
political Programme of Action to advance and establish an Africanist Socialist 
Democracy;
4. Any person against unity of PAC members must be denounced by PAC Branches 
and members;

Cde Masoga, you either agree with the above four (4) points or not! Please do 
not play the person by avoiding the ball. The continuing disunity in the PAC is 
heavely undermining execution of the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto and this 
must be stopped, PAC Must Rise To Lead And To Govern Azaia!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 
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From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mphiri Masoga
Sent: 27 October 2014 11:59 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme


Good Morning Linda 

Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting & where were the current 
Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that 
meeting?

As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the 
organisation and or are operating outside party fold.   

What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called "faction" or 
grouping?

 Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, 
on what capacity are you writing   
kind Regards, 

Mphiri Masoga
SACWU PTA
Tel : 012 320 6472
Fax : 012 320 2179
Fax2Email: 0862254254
Cell : 0731822656

-Original Message-
From: "Linda Ndebele" 
Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09
To: 
Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme

Revolutionary greetings,
 
To all PAC members and structures:
 
After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC 
groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past 
Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and 
radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We 
resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's 
faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope 
at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday 
meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco 
Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key 
resolutions taken include the following:
 
1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2.To 
form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist 
Democracy 3.To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the 
three feuding factions 4.Call for the convening of an All 
Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent 
team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National 
Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of 
an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the three 
purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6.   
 Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans
   
 
In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join 
us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical 
revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive 
resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. 
It is a call not to be missed !!
 
Linda K Ndebele
Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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[PAYCO] RE: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

The statement that “It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within 
the very same group that sent this email” by  Cde Mvakali is 100% correct, the 
contents of the letter are disgusting  and amount to total disgrace. No sane 
PAC member nor a self- respecting PAC leader can support nor defend such 
none-sense of a letter, which amounts to some form of a smear campaign! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mapula Nkoana [mailto:mapulankoan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2014 08:17 PM
To: Nkrumah Kgagudi
Subject: Fwd: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

 

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To: "Admin @ Pac" 
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Izwe lethu. It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within the 
very same group that sent this email. Why stoop so low to issue such nonsense 
in Pac letter from the Pac HQ. Instead of sending conference minutes and 
resolutions, minutes of nec meetings that we never have since jesus died, you 
have a nerve to further to do this? Haai maan Stop this foolish acts in the 
name of the Pac. 

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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From: justice mvakali  

Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:10:30 +0200

To: Admin @ Pac

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Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP

 

Mnxa why this letter is not signed. You now using party letter for this 
nonsense. You wont destroy this party who ever wrote this kak

On 13 Oct 2014 5:02 PM, "Admin @ Pac"  wrote:

Good day 

 

Please find the attached for your attention.

 

Regards

PAC of Azania

Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11

Fax : 086 527 0380

Email : ad...@pac.org.za

Website: www.pac.org.za

 

A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM

 

 

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[PAYCO] Determing A Good Standing Branch

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

Determining a Good Standing Branch! 

Izwe lethu

 

During the Leadership Development Workshop held on the 11th October 2014, 
attended by 7 Branch Executive Committees coming from Johannesburg Region plus 
PASO members and Eastrand/ Ekhuruleni Regional Executive Committee member, the 
constitutional interpretation and application of the concept-principle 
member(s) in Good Standing and/or branch(es) in Good Standing lost its full 
comprehensive meaning and content. And this largely, furthermore explains some 
of the political and organisational problems facing the party.

 

The incorrect thus incomplete interpretation and application of the principle 
Good Standing has been reduced to narrowly imply :-

• A member in good standing has been understood and applied as meaning a paid 
up member from a launched branch with at least 20 paid members; 

• and a branch in good standing meant which had its Annual General and with 20 
plus paid up members having an elected Branch Executive Committee;

 

This (above) interpretation is incomplete since it focus narrowly on selected 
few clauses which are mainly administrative and partly organisational, but this 
interpretation ignored the political requirements to define and describe a Good 
Standing Branch and a Good Standing Member. Section 20.1 until 20.3 provide 
almost eight requirements which further provides a description of what 
constitutes a PAC branch constitutionally for a branch to politically qualify 
and meet the first part to be a Good Standing Branch! These eight requirement 
are well described and stated in section 

 

Political Component and Elements:-

 


Clause No.

 

Applicable Constitutional Requirement-Prescripts


20.1

1.   

Carry organizational work amongst the masses


2.   

Carry educational work amongst the masses


3.   

Acquaint them with the aims and objects, policies and programmes of the 
organization


20.2

4.   

Keep (continuous and constant) close contact with the masses and 


5.   

Provide continual leadership and guidance to the oppressed people in area


20.3

6.   

Foster the spirit of initiative among the people


7.   

Take the leading part in organizing the masses to solve problem in the area.


8.   

Organise the masses to solve their problems in the area

  

 

Therefore, a branch can be deemed as a Good Standing branch because it fully 
complies with clause 20.1 until 20.3, its (branch) activities which serves as 
evidence to demonstrate and proof that the branch’ political mandates as per 
clause 20.1 until 20.3 had been carried out. The above diagram should also be 
understood within the context that the PAC considers a branch as a basic 
building block whose primary purpose of existence is to propagate the Aims and 
Objectives of the PAC among the masses and also execute strategies which 
enables the PAC though the branch to exist and operate within and among the 
labouring African majority. Therefore, a branch is a party's political organ 
for mass mobilisation and mass agitation, therefore a Good Standing Branch is a 
branch which fully carries and execute the party's political mandate as per 
clause 20.1 until clause 20.3. 

 

I will share the other components of determining a Good Standing Branch of PAC 
as the days unfolds!

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

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RE: [PAYCO] PAC National Conference, Bloemfontein

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M’Afrika

 

Reality, is it become immaterial to jump high or lows with no significant 
influence of the branches and members of the PAC. Let’s swallow a bitter pill 
and face reality which is PAC is disintegrating before our very own eyes, and 
no-one will propagate our ideas and methods we deem appropriate to arrest the 
disintegration of PAC but ourselves. 

 

At times and commonly out of the state of decay and decomposition, life arises. 
The Russian and Chinese Communist Parties had undergone similar organisational 
and political challenges but through political organisation that is based on a 
clear political programme they prevailed! 

 

Let those who advocate principled unity and re-organisation of PAC construct 
and execute the programme!  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tongogara Ndima
Sent: 29 September 2014 08:35 AM
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mfulwane; Alton Mphethi; Moshe Mahlomola; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; 
bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; Lehlogonolo Digashu; Phumzile Nomnga; Pinkie 
Monyane; Admin @ Pac; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
lea...@hotmail.com; Malinge Plaatjie; vu...@telkomsa.net; 
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linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; Kutie Thondlana; PAC Mogale city PAC; 
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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC National Conference, Bloemfontein

 

Moaforika Vusie

 

You are correct on one issue, as PAC members we need a unifying inclusive 
conference, not this political gimmicks. In less than three years PAC had three 
Presidents and three Deputy Presidents as follows:

 

2012 July Butterworth Congress: Cde Letlapa Mphahlele elected as President with 
Cde Alton Mpethi as Deputy President; within 12 months after the 2012 July 
national congress

2013 August Bitchwood Conference: Cde Alton Mpethi is confirmed as Presient 
with Cde Mike Muendane as Deputy President; again within 12 months after the 
2013 August national conference

2014 September Bloemfontein Conference: Cde Luthando Mpinda is confirmed as 
President with Cde Sbusiso Xaba as Deputy President; what next within 12 months 
after the 2014 September conference?

 

 

PAC has become a national mockery, but also PAC is falling apart with many PAC 
members withdrawing from active party participation and programmes. As we speak 
the PAC no longer exist in Free State, Northwest province, Mpumalanga, Northern 
Cape and party exists in Kwa-Zulu Natal! PAC used to have structures and 
branches in these province before the QwaQwa National Congress, but ever since 
then-until today we see it happening before our very own eyes - PAC is dying 
silently.

 

Izwe lethu

Ndima

 

  

 

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, vusie  wrote:


Don't be surprised to see most of those who are at forefront calling inclusive 
National Conference/Congress in December and confusing genuine Africanist not 
to attend PAC National Conference in Boemfontein being part of the same 
conference, it sad because we were mislead and denied opportunity to attend PAC 
National Confrencee

Find attached photo


Vusie Makhathini, 0826754796


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[PAYCO] FW: WWMP E-Newsletter 26 September 2014/"Workers World" weekly labour show on SAFM this week and more labour news

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

 

From: Workers' World Media Productions 
[mailto:Lynn=wwmp.org...@mail180.wdc02.mcdlv.net] On Behalf Of Workers' World 
Media Productions
Sent: 26 September 2014 12:58 PM
To: nrkgag...@gmail.com
Subject: WWMP E-Newsletter 26 September 2014/"Workers World" weekly labour show 
on SAFM this week and more labour news

 






  

 






E-NEWS BULLETIN FRIDAY 26 SEPTEMBER 2014
Labour news you cannot afford to miss

 




  

 


"Workers on Wednesday"
on
SAfm


Bargaining Council Wage Agreements 
We look at the extension of bargaining council agreements. Over the past 
several years there have been objections to this practice by certain employers, 
particularly small businesses who view it as unfair and harmful to them. 

GUESTS
1. Trenton Elsley - Director; Labour Research Service
2. Leon Louw - Executive Director; Free Market Foundation

Click here to listen: 

  http://iono
 

Tune in on Wednesday 1 October
for our discussion on
Retail and Wholesale workers
Decent working conditions?

 



▶ POLITICS
◘ MIDDLE EAST
1. US police get anti terror training in Israel on privately funded trips
2. The Israeli offensive on Gaza caused full or partial damages to 75 
kindergartens and day-care centers
3. Tampa activists protest ZIM cargo lines to showcase Israeli civil rights 
violations
4. Lipman visits South African Parliament 

◘ INTERNATIONAL 
1. Turkish President's Allies Increasing Pressure on Times and Reporter
2. Racist SWAT Killings
3. NATO intends to prohibit Russia’s and China’s Development
4. Forum On Richmond Progressive Alliance, Workers And Marxism

◘ SOUTH AFRICA 
1. Cyril Ramaphosa's Lonmin tax-dodge headache

▶ LABOUR
1. Washington Post announces cuts to employees’ retirement benefits 
2. Project MUNIN aims to make robot ships a reality
3. One Chinese train driver's fight for justice on social media

▶ MEDIA AND COMMUNICATION
1. This Time We Say Do Something,Next Time We Say We Want Everything 






  

 


US police get anti terror training in Israel on privately funded trips
By ALI WINSTON
 

The clouds of tear gas, flurries of projectiles and images of police officers 
outfitted in military-grade hardware in Ferguson, Missouri, have reignited 
concerns about the militarization of domestic law enforcement in the United 
States.

►read more here...  

 https://bet 

 




  

 


The Israeli offensive on Gaza caused full or partial damages to 75 
kindergartens and day-care centers

The Democracy and Workers’ Rights Center field teams have documented full or 
partial damages to 75 kindergartens and day-care centers caused during the 51 
day Israeli offensive against the Gaza Strip this summer.


►read more here...  

 http://pal 

 




  

 


Tampa activists protest ZIM cargo lines to showcase Israeli civil rights 
violations
By DEZEREY LYN

In the early hours of Saturday morning, September 20th, activists from nearly a 
dozen organizations converged at the entrance way to the Port of Tampa to 
protest the incoming ZIM Alabama as Israel’s largest cargo shipping company.


►read more here...  

 http://the 

 




  

 


Lipman visits South African Parliament 
By GILL HOFFMAN

Yesh Atid MK Dov Lipman became the first member of Knesset to visit the South 
African Parliament in more than five years over the weekend.
 

►read more here... 

 http://www.jpo 

 




  

 


Turkish President's Allies Increasing Pressure on Times and Reporter
By RICK GLADSTONE

Turkey's president and his supporters have been denouncing The New York Times 
and one of its Istanbul correspondents with growing furor for the past three 
days...


►read more here...  

 http://www.nyt 

 




  

RE: [PAYCO] Our generation failed by a generation that has made its mark!

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

r make its 
blunders. (Leadership of the party is kept away by those of the generation that 
has made its mark).
3. Our generation stands to go down in history as the most useless generation 
that never made a mark in the struggle to liberate our people.

We concluded that we will not allow this to continue. We want to play our 
historic duty in the liberation struggle of our people and continent. We will 
do this within the PAC but if PAC cannot assist us to do so we will go out and 
make our mark elsewhere.

We are driven by a desire to make our mark in history.

Izwe lethu!

Linda Kwame Ndebele

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi"  

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:05:02 +0200

To: 'Michael Muendane'; 'Mbulelo 
Raymond'

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Izwe lethu 

 

Thanks Bra Mike, “Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and 
you shall be a strong Party”

 

Izwe lethu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

I Choose no-one, however all PAC members as comrades in struggle for the 
African Emancipation!

 

From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM
To: 'Mbulelo Raymond'; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi'
Cc: po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; 
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lea...@hotmail.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; 
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tnta...@webmail.co.za; aplamv...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; 
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute, quality or tendency to another person, you 
do that because you possess that trait, attribute, quality or tendency 
yourself, otherwise how would you recognise it in others?”

 

Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a 
strong Party.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

 

Ngila Muendane.

 

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[PAYCO] Announcement Death of My Father

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Kindly be informed that on 9th September 2014, I lost my father David Puleng 
“Bra Rocky” Kgagudi aged 85 years old. He was admitted at the George Mkhari 
Hospital a week before and that’s where has passed on early morning of the 09th 
September 2014.  

 

The Funeral will be held on the 20th September 2014, time 07:00-09:00 at House 
Number 2891 Block L, Soshanguve (in Pretoria); at 09:00 he will depart to his 
final resting place Selborne Cemetery which will be few kilometres from the 
burial site of his grand mother Deacon Mokgadi Mokone of the AME Church. 

 

Mokgapa' Mogolo o Wele, Beng Mabu -Mmina Noko, o ile!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute, quality or tendency to another person, you 
do that because you possess that trait, attribute, quality or tendency 
yourself, otherwise how would you recognise it in others?”

 

Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a 
strong Party.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

 

Ngila Muendane.

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:15 PM
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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annua

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu 

 

Thanks Bra Mike, “Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and 
you shall be a strong Party”

 

Izwe lethu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

I Choose no-one, however all PAC members as comrades in struggle for the 
African Emancipation!

 

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

There is one stubborn truth that most people do not realise and it is this:

 

“You cannot give anybody something that you do not have. You must have it 
first. If you do not have love, you can never give love to anybody. Likewise, 
when you give a positive a label ( description or attribute) to someone else, 
it means you also possess that attribute. When you attribute or ascribe a 
certain negative trait, attribute, quality or tendency to another person, you 
do that because you possess that trait, attribute, quality or tendency 
yourself, otherwise how would you recognise it in others?”

 

Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a 
strong Party.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

 

Ngila Muendane.

 

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

M'Afrika Nkrumah please poqo I am begging you, let us leave this matter because 
it adds no value to the future of the PAC. 

FIHLA

On 11 Sep 2014 6:59 PM, "Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI"  wrote:

Conrade Fihla

You are deliberately distorting everything I wrote and argued. It is evident 
you are personalising issues and also driving a character assasination. You 
have dismally failed to prove your

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI]

Conrade Fihla

You are deliberately distorting everything I wrote and argued. It is evident 
you are personalising issues and also driving a character assasination. You 
have dismally failed to prove your claims that I did nothing and know nothing 
about imprisoned APLA comrades. 

We have seen some PAC members putting the crisis and feuding within the PAC on 
the shoulders of Cde Letlapa, Cde Mpethi and Cde Moloto, I argued that amidst 
these comrades errors and blunders, it's being disenginious because as PAC 
members we have cobtributed directly and indirectly to this unfolding crisis 
and disintegration of the party,thus o salvage the the PAC members and branches 
should take equal responsibility and move forward and forge unity starting from 
branch to regional level! 

It seems you prefer a subjective and personal approach instead of a structured 
and organisational approach, where there is transparency and accountability. 

The bitter truths is PAC Branches and members are  faced with two parallel and 
feuding APLAMVA whose division compound factionalism in the PAC. Leaders of 
both two APLAMVA should swallow their pride and also consider to organise an 
inclusive and unifying APLAMVA Conference! 


Lastly, a direct challenge to your APLAMVA NEC is what plan of action does your 
APLAMVA has for us to support and rally the masses around for the Release of 
Imprisoned APLA comrades. instead of uncoordinated piecmeal visits! This will 
help all of to move away from what you call being judgemental and full of 
rhetoric!

Nonetheless, let the people and history judge the correct analysis! 

Shango lashu
NKRUMAH

Sent from Samsung tablet

Mbulelo Raymond  wrote:

>Comrade Nkrumah, all what you are saying here is just rhetoric. All I am
>saying to you is that stop being judgemental. Stop referring to PAC members
>as hypocrits because you are not a saint. Stop referring to PAC members as
>individuals with no moral ground to contribute to matters of the PAC. You
>cannot preach unity and at the same time campaign to isolate other members
>because to you they are hypocrits with no moral high ground to add value to
>the PAC.
>
>Whether you served in the leadership of Mogoba or of Pheko etc, that does
>not give you the right to call PAC members hypocrits.
>
>Kindly note also that the comrades in prison are not interested in the
>rhetoric of stories of marches of the past. They need support now.  I saw
>the picture of you marching in the past and I am not sure how many years
>ago. That picture adds no  value to the lives of the comrades in prison,
>hence I say please visit these comrades and avoid this rhetoric.
>
>Fihla
>On 11 Sep 2014 12:06 PM, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" 
>wrote:
>
>> Comrade Fihla
>>
>>
>>
>> You are reading wrongly and once more fail to grasp the essence of the
>> argument advanced, the earlier statement is premised from the following
>> argument “*“I strongly believe that  in as much as Cde Letlapa, Cde
>> Mpethi and Cde Moloto, might  have made serious political blunders/errors,
>> they cannot be  made to be 100% liable for the entire divisions and
>> feuding  thus factionalism in the PAC”* Secondly, the e-mail argues that
>> and points that *“Surely comrades, neither Cde Letlapa nor Cde Mpethi nor
>> Cde  Moloto is stopping your branches and members to picket and  organise
>> mass protests demanding the immediate release of  all the imprisoned APLA
>> comrades (for an example)”*.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Cde Fihla, you made claims that I did nothing about the imprisoned
>> APLA comrades, I refuted those claims by providing you with a brief account
>> of actions I have been part of demanding the release of incarcerated APLA
>> comrades. Cde Dumisani Zwane furthermore attached complimentary evidence to
>> refute the claims you advanced.  Your sweeping conjecture that I know
>> nothing and did nothing about the arrested APLA Comrades, I advanced a
>> direct challenge to you to prove your claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kindly note that, it’s not alien in knowledge acquisition process to
>> formulate a conjecture or an assumption (hypothesis) which is either
>> affirmed or nullified by empirical evidence. And let’s suppose I Nkrumah
>> Raymond Kgagudi I did nothing as Cde Fihla claims and insists, *does this
>> mean PAC branches and members should not ask questions about imprisoned
>> APLA comrades. And surely, we cannot prescribe how questions should be
>> asked, as long as assumptions are not personal attacks nor do not
>> personalise issues?  *
>>
>>
>>
>> Secondly, you opted to launch a personal and sought to personalise the
>> issue when no one raised a direct reference to Cde Fihla as a
>>

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Masoga

 

Do not personalise the issues raised by attack me in person address issues 
raised directly. If there is justification to attend Bloemfontein September 
National Conference constructively share with us and persuade to attend! We 
have presented a political case that drawing from Birchwood and other events 
that instead of unity of PAC, we have seen Birchwood 2013 Conference deepening 
divisions and the high rate of disintegration of PAC! Hence, any parallel 
structure organising parallel events solidifies internal party  feuding, 
factionalism therefore disintegration of the PAC. 

 

First aspect I am a paid up PAC member belonging to a branch; 

Secondly aspect, This is an open campaign against events which aims to further 
divisions and the disintegration of the PAC, like Birchwood 2013 Conference; 

Thirdly aspect, we must seek to re-mobilise all PAC members and branches under 
one roof, if former PAC comrades who formed PAM agree to return to PAC and form 
part of the process to rebuild and re-organise PAC, why should they be excluded?

Fourth aspect, the Boycott the Bloemfontein Conference aims at defeating 
factionalism and mobilise PAC branches and members to an inclusive unifying 
national conference of PAC;

Fifth aspect, I have not condemn any comrades who advocates any differing view, 
if there is please specify his/her name!  

Sixth aspect, We encourage and mobilise PAC branches and members to start 
unification process by organising inclusive regional and provincial meetings to 
defeat factionalism and disunity!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 


Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo 

Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within 
your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. 

Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - 
build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme 
that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist 
perspective.

I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is 
the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left 
PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered 
Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor 
when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and 
on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left 
PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active.

Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, 
it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by 
condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not 
necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters "Boycott Conference". 

We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us.
Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. 

IAfrika 

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

  _  

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Shango lashu M’Afrika 

 

PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, Birchwood 20

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Fihla

 

You are reading wrongly and once more fail to grasp the essence of the argument 
advanced, the earlier statement is premised from the following argument ““I 
strongly believe that  in as much as Cde Letlapa, Cde Mpethi and Cde Moloto, 
might  have made serious political blunders/errors, they cannot be  made to be 
100% liable for the entire divisions and feuding  thus factionalism in the PAC” 
Secondly, the e-mail argues that and points that “Surely comrades, neither Cde 
Letlapa nor Cde Mpethi nor Cde  Moloto is stopping your branches and members to 
picket and  organise mass protests demanding the immediate release of  all the 
imprisoned APLA comrades (for an example)”.

 

But Cde Fihla, you made claims that I did nothing about the imprisoned APLA 
comrades, I refuted those claims by providing you with a brief account of 
actions I have been part of demanding the release of incarcerated APLA 
comrades. Cde Dumisani Zwane furthermore attached complimentary evidence to 
refute the claims you advanced.  Your sweeping conjecture that I know nothing 
and did nothing about the arrested APLA Comrades, I advanced a direct challenge 
to you to prove your claims.  

 

Kindly note that, it’s not alien in knowledge acquisition process to formulate 
a conjecture or an assumption (hypothesis) which is either affirmed or 
nullified by empirical evidence. And let’s suppose I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi I 
did nothing as Cde Fihla claims and insists, does this mean PAC branches and 
members should not ask questions about imprisoned APLA comrades. And surely, we 
cannot prescribe how questions should be asked, as long as assumptions are not 
personal attacks nor do not personalise issues?  

 

Secondly, you opted to launch a personal and sought to personalise the issue 
when no one raised a direct reference to Cde Fihla as a person/individual. The 
issue is what has being done by  APLAMVA as a structure/ component structures 
in regards to the incarcerated APLA Comrades and this goes to an extent of 
questioning the political role and purpose of APLAMVA in the context of PAC’s  
Aims and Objective. If the two parallel existing APLAMVA have organisational 
plans and strategies, then let them be shared with PAC branches and members to 
dismiss and refute the following statement   "we have imprisoned former APLA 
combatants,  no action is taken to demand the release of incarcerated APLA 
combatants", empirically disapprove this statement you consider as “unfounded 
sweeping statements based on conjecture”. 

 

Remember, I sat at the NEC led by Cde Mogoba prior Tompi Seleke in 2000 and 
even after Tompi Seleke, I also served in the NEC of under Cde Pheko including 
the 2006 – until the Decree NEC of Cde Letlapa, there has been no programme nor 
report presented by APLAMVA in regards to a campaign demanding the release of 
imprisoned APLA comrades. We know of individual PAC Comrades such M’Afrika 
Sombu and M’Afrika Pheko who had always made efforts and rallied various NECs 
and component structures and members of PAC in regard to the plight of 
imprisoned APLA comrades. Hence the argument "None of the two existing APLAMVA 
NEC s have been seen in action demanding the immediate  release of these 
comrades. But today, APLAMVA NEC comrades have a moral ground to point finger 
and identify failures of the PAC NEC members. I find the extent of most 
comrades as being hypocrites". To make things worse, APLA is split into two 
feuding comrades, the questions is does this APLAMVA split contribute or impact 
in the PAC! 

 

Do not be personal when addressing this issues, let’s try to be objective and 
constructive Comrade Fihla! Personalising issues commonly defeats a debate and 
inquisition to have a better understanding. Lastly, I do accept your invite and 
as long as it’s not a piecemeal approach however a Plan of Action that seeks to 
Demand the Release Imprisoned APLA Fighters!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  

 

 

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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Shango lashu M’Afrika 

 

PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, Birchwood 2013 
National Conference organised by the same NEC comrades organising the 
Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference, has dismally failed to unite PAC and 
place all PAC branches and members on a unity-and-revolutionary path. Birchwood 
2013 National Conference has deepened divisions and sowed conflict among PAC 
members and branches in a manner never seen in the history of the PAC, 
Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference will continue to consolidate a highly 
divided PAC with an untenable organisational state. 

 

Boycott and denounce Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference! 

Boycott!

 

Unite and Defeat factionalism PAC branches and members!

Unite!

 

Forward to an Inclusive and Uniting PAC Conference!

Forward 

 

Borrowing the comments made by former Chairman John Nyathi Pokela for all of us 
PAC Branches and members to reflect and ponder from Cde Muendane and Cde Ndima, 
PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders of 
this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we go to 
a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided. To defeat 
factionalism and divisions, It is my strongest believe that PAC branches and 
members must achieve principled unity. 

 

And those former PAC members who left PAC to form PAM must return to the PAC, 
those PAC members who were suspended should also return to the PAC; We must 
jointly and equally wage the struggle to reclaim-and –to- place PAC on a 
revolutionary socialist path on a Pan African Scope to overthrow capitalism and 
white supremacy.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

074 922 6361

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Cde. Ndima

 

You are spot except that you need to mention that Cde. Ndade and others had a 
task team which was working with the head office to prepare the regional. They 
handed their audited report the late Cde Wandi and Joko indicating the status 
of the branches. The people who actually presided over that conference were 
Cde, Bennet Joko, Wandi and Tebogo Rakoma. They lost in a congress organised by 
them(Ndade and Company), Moloto, Joko and Wandi after Cdes Abel, Busang and Apa 
warned the SG that in the Vaal is as easy he may think. 

 

Since that time Cde. Narius in particular never liked us and hence after he 
instructed us that we should go on a joint commemoration for Sharpeville Day it 
surprisingly became our thing. It was after that incident that I gave up on him 
and at least I told him. I was never in my life felt so betrayed by a leader at 
the level of an SG.

 

 

On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:36 PM, Tongogara Ndima 
 wrote:

 

Comrade Ndade

 

Your gripe is about councillor's seat hence you formed a parallel REC hoping to 
topple the other REC and find a way to become a councillor! We know, and ou 
have raised this several times in Sharpeville that Narius Moloto has being 
lobbying you and making offers. If Sedibeng Region had more councillor's seats, 
there would'not be parallel RECs in Vaal as it is the case today. Cde Ndade, 
for once be honest with us, you lost the regional leadership contest in a 
constitutional congress officiated by Cde Moloto and Cde Joko. But for group - 
factional interest you exploited divisions within the NEC, namely the 
Letlapa-Moloto conflcit by siding with Cde

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Greetings Bra Mike Muendane

The letter you wrote and circulated is appreciated. The contents of the are 
fully confirmed that as PAC we are facing major crisis which should be arrested 
to salvage the PAC. However, the methodology to take the step is equally of 
significant importance thus deviating from constitutional provisions may 
compound the problem at hand, hence the notion that there be an inclusive 
national conference, which can be described also as an inclusive National 
Consultative Conference. 

The difficulty and weakness of a convention pertains its constitutional locus 
standi and secondly, you will recall that paper presented at the Vista Mamelodi 
Convention were never adopted not considered at Thohoyandou Congress and no-one 
has taken full responsibility nor can be held liable, this expounds the 
weakness of a methodology that seeks solutions acting outside the 
constitutional prescripts. Nonetheless, the very same objectives can still be 
fully realised through an inclusive PAC conference convene within the 
prescripts of the constitution   

Thirdly, the proposals in the document you circulated further suggests that " 
to set up a temporary task team of veterans of the party to guide, supervise 
and protect the National Executive Committee from the ongoing conflict". The 
question facing this proposal is the constitutionality of the "task team " in 
regard to power relations of NEC viz the Task Team! And, to subject NEC to act 
under the direction of a task team amounts to constitutional amendment. Above 
all, creating new structures does not necessarily resolve the deep seated 
ideological and organisation problems facing the PAC. Part of the problem 
facing the PAC is erosion of democratic centralism hence the notion that 
principles had been abandoned, coupled by the conflict of the two line 
ideological struggle/conflict. 

Fourthly, the assumption by this proposal is incorrect and false, that is, " In 
addition, members who have served the organisation for over 50 years are more 
jealous of the organisation and are assumed, by and large, to be desirous of 
leaving a legacy of unity in the party that they have sacrificed for so many 
years". Age is not necessary a barometer to asses ideological grounded-ness and 
clarity; And also, lest we forget that the existing three feuding NEC groupings 
are supported by some veterans, there are many PAC members coming from AZANYU 
and PASO some from the trade union movement such as CUSA aged with less than 50 
years membership in PAC and they have made huge sacrifices for the PAC and for 
the African Revolution thus this negates the assumption made in you proposal. I 
strongly believe that the desire and determination to have revolutionary united 
PAC is a desire that cuts across all generations of PAC,  however   such a 
desire has become a burning fire among those still selfless and convicted to 
advance the revolutionary Pan Africanist Agenda as enshrined in the 1959 Pan 
Africanist Manifesto.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 

 

-Original Message-
From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] 
Sent: 09 September 2014 08:38 PM
To: 'Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI'; mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; mnd...@yahoo.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com
Cc: kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; 
rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
s...@pac.org.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 
0825164...@vodamail.co.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; 
bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; 
mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; 
monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; 
celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; 
dumisani...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

I have decided to release the attached letter to the general membership because 
I haven't received any significant or meaningful response from the members to 
whom it was or

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

lysis, the APLAMVA as component structure whose object should be political 
is supposed to advance the ultimate goal of Pan Africanism as elaborated by the 
former Secretary of Education Peter Raboroko, it can’t for it equally suffers a 
stranglehold of a comprador bourgeoisie leadership cartel feuding which has 
less or no interest to advance revolutionary socialist Pan Africanist line. 
Comrade Fihla, if you permit that one uses and extend the same Mao quotation 
where he alludes “Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived 
of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you 
have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, 
and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly 
be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is 
it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always 
keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is 
disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense? The 
political conclusions of a Marxists-Leninist Party such as the PAC proceed from 
theoretical analyses and are constantly checked and regulated by them. That is 
the only way to assure a firm and consistent policy. As Trotsky says, in 
theoretical matters “we must keep our house clean”.

 

The e-mail you narrowly contest further alludes the following, there are and 
has been so many caucuses ever since 2007/8 to  date, but every caucuses have 
yielded no tangible results but  the situation has worsened because the current 
crop of some  PAC members and those with leadership ambitions are highly  
unprincipled and determined to break any law just to secure  positions be they 
at the REC, PEC and NEC. 

 

 PAC Branches and members have abandoned principles and the  correct political 
line as enshrined in the 1959 Pan  Africanist Manifesto including all Basic 
Documents. A lot in  the party is from branch level to members to national  
leadership is totally wrong and rotten! Gone are the  principles in the PAC, as 
others argue to justify their  conduct they claim that "people do eat 
principles".

 First task should be PAC branches and members should  resolve their 
differences at a regional level first and  unite! Then provincial inclusive 
meetings should be  organised to consolidate the unity achieved at regional  
level!

 

Lastly, as PAC Branches and members seek to forge principled unity and to 
re-build the PAC, they should equally be cognisant that internally PAC is 
facing a two line ideological struggle one being a revolutionary socialist Pan 
Africanist line while the other is comprador bourgeoisie line hiding under the 
cloak of African Nationalism! It then becomes of paramount importance, the 
provoke further inquisition will the unity and re-building of PAC be under 
which political line, the comprador bourgeoisie line? Or  revolutionary 
socialist Pan Africanist line?

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

 

From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 September 2014 11:06 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI
Cc: nnyq...@gmail.com; kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; i...@bataufc.com; 
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; wgaj...@gmail.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; 
mphah...@eskom.co.za; tnta...@webmail.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; 
znyam...@gmail.com; mnd...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; 
m...@soultalk.co.za; monyanepin...@gmail.com; ad...@pac.org.za; 
lucasmmol...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
po...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 
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sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 
phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; mop...@pac.org.za; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; s...@pac.org.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; 
sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
rammymfulw...@gmail.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; 
paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 
isaa...@diplomat-global.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; 
mokoen...@workmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; APLAMVA WESTERN CAPE
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

M'Afrika Nkrumah I am really disappointed with you son of the soil. You know, 
Chairman Mao  says "no investigation, no talk because if you speak without 
investigating you will speak nonsense". From your language

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI]

ople used as pawns in a 
>just cause.
> 
>Izwe Lethu 
>
>
>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:16 AM, Smoll Zondo  
>wrote:
>  
>
>
>Izwe Lethu
>
>The honest truth is that in PAC everyone speaks a lot of things here in media 
>while doing nothing at all for the community or masses of Azania. Personally I 
>am of the view that only cowards are within the rank and file of the PAC and 
>its component structures. I never see such a big organization moving entirely 
>backwards while having a lot of intelligent comrades. Seemingly we will spend 
>another 20 years revolving in courts struggles and character assassination 
>programs. Let us say somebody recommends what needs to be done, Who is that 
>body? Are we going to listen to that somebody? How long are we going to listen 
>as PAC members?  All what we spend time doing is to check who says what and we 
>attack. 
>
>The main issue here is not the party objective but personal objectives that 
>have clouded the PAC Program. Super views which could have fixed the PAC were 
>long cast out and thrown out of the table and nothing is learned by us as 
>members. Mphahlele is out but the problem is still there in the PAC, now 
>recently Mphethi is out but there is still a problem. What I can conclude now 
>is that maybe all of us need to be out of PAC to allow PAC to grow, who else 
>must be out of PAC for PAC to get it right? 
>
>
>Regards, 
>Thabani Zondo 
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>
>
>On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  
>wrote:
>
>M’Afrika 
>> 
>>I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given 
>>the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late 
>>as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC 
>>branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an 
>>illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has 
>>disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without being 
>>questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are 
>>facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO! 
>>  
>> 
>>PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a 
>>quorum for it has split into three unequal and  non-quorating parts! 
>>According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has 
>>been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By 
>>Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde 
>>Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally 
>>suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling 
>>each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an 
>>inclusive national conference. 
>> 
>>There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to 
>>factional feuding and weakening of the PAC! 
>> 
>>This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive 
>>national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and 
>>organisational solution. 
>> 
>>Shango lashu 
>> 
>>Nkrumah  
>>From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] 
>>Sent: 04 September 2014 12:42 PM
>>To: Kutie Thondlana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za
>>Cc: mrfihla08; payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 
>>ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; 
>>richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; 
>>takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
>>tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; 
>>lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
>>paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
>>pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
>>phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; 
>>smollzo...@gmail.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
>>digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 
>>hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; L 
>>Lekgwathi; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
>>billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com;
> bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Nakaphala Bauba; 
> nnyq...@gma

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Our understanding of practical actions that must be undertaken to salvage PAC 
implies that we should forge principled unity by identifying and drawing all 
those who held and continue to hold PAC membership into one political roof. 
What will be the rational of excluding former PAC members who formed PAM? If 
Comrades were keen to draw Don Mattera, Pitiki ka Ntuli and some leaders who 
publicly resigned from PAC active politics and leadership roles, why exclude 
PAC?  

 

Shangu lashu

Nkrumah   

From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 September 2014 07:23 PM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: Malesela Mogashwa; po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
river.mla...@telkomsa.net; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; david mabitsela; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; znyam...@gmail.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; Mapula Nkoana; 
sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
pacaza...@webmail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; Mbuyiselo Kantso; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
d...@pac.org.za; ic...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; 
sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za
Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

 

Is PAM involved in PAC matters? I do not agree with this one.

On 05 Sep 2014 2:37 PM, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi"  wrote:

Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM!

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda 
Ndebele
Sent: 05 September 2014 02:31 PM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za
Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
sbusiso.x...@gmail.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

 

Comrades,

The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If 
we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend 
the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop 
this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour.

The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we 
achieve what we seek to achieve.

This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting 
PAC aback.

Izwe lethu! 

Linda

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

  _  

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za 

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 +0200

To: 

Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david 
mabitsela'; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; ; 
; 

Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC 
to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that 
include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to 
be supportive and come on board.

As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on 
the Mediation Team and Plan of Action.

Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to 
ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on 
board.

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote:

Comrades,

The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the 
mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole 
exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions?

Linda 

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!


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From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200

To: Mbuyiselo Kantso

Cc: ; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david 
mabitsela'; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; 'sandla 
goqwana'; ; 
; ; ; 
; ; 
; ; ; 'Alton 
Mphethi'

Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

Comrade Mbuyi,

I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due 
for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise;

*   September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC

RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

uorum
*   All those co-option that were made by Cde Mphethi disappeared ONLY two 
remained Fihla & Muendane {though Muendane was told he was appointed wrongly}, 
Mphethi co-opted Pasika Nontshiza as Acting National Organizer and Cde Mapule 
Nkoana as Acting Finance Secretary - - - NEC had problem with the appointments 
especially with Notshiza, that did not sit well with Mphethi
*   26 - 27 July there was an extended NEC meeting where Cde Mphethi 
invoked Decree 3 times keep on reversing it,
*   30 July Mphethi invoke a Decree
*   letters are flying in all directions from Mphethi & Narius - justifying 
a Decree and dismissing a Decree; suspending each other at the end Mphethi 
claim that Narius is expelled
*   This whole saga of a Decree is on Mphethi and Narius Lawyers 
respectively;
*   that takes us to LEGAL ISSUES - up to date PAC has spent beyond R1 
million just on Cde Mphahlele case, there is a pending appeals case schedule to 
court on 12 November 2014; the current state of legal letters flying between 
Cde Mphethi and Moloto will lead straight to court where PAC is expected to 
foot another bill over this matter . . .
*   So we are sinking deeper over a matter that could have been resolved 
Politically.

The narration above is just a tip of the chaotic state of the organization - 
there is more. Then how are we taking ourselves out of this ? If the Letlapa 
expulsion took more than a year with more than R1 million and physical division 
of structures and yet it is not completely resolved as it goes to court . . . 
now Mphethi who took over from Letlapa is also facing similar situation of 
being rejected by his own NEC and Moloto a Secretary General who admits in 
signed writing that the NEC is below 30% threshold and is being purported to be 
expelled by Mphethi who is the President but his NEC is saying is no-longer a 
President, that by implications means Ngila Muendane is the Acting President, 
this is the acting President whom the Conference reversed his appointment as a 
Deputy President and the SG wrote to telling him he is not a Deputy because of 
wrong appointment . . .

Is this not an extraodinary abnormality in the organization? How an NEC that 
could not constitute itself be in a position to say Constitution !

[by the way the September Conference in Bloemfontein is going to be a Congress 
as the wishes of the certain grouping within the NEC; the Secretary General has 
written communiques justifying the need to go to Congress citing 
disfunctionality of NEC, absence of finances to run the organization]

It is important therefore to normalize things in the organization . . . the 
route that we put on the table that let there be a meeting that will find-way 
to extract the organization out of this chaotic state is important, the NEC has 
proven that it does not have the capacity resolve this on their own . . .this 
has affected the political life of the organization therefore rushing to the 
Conference to elect leaders won't solve the deeper sitting problem.

I invite those in the NEC to take a lead and say 'lets find an everlasting 
solution to our problems' !

 

iAfrika


 

 

 

On 2014-09-05 09:53, Mbuyiselo Kantso wrote:

Comrades

 

Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a 
way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out 
to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the 
SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. 
The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out 
of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. 
In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which 
means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can 
salvage any unwarranted situation.

 

When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows 
forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a 
front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think 
that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU 
because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. 

 

Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. 

 

 

 

On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
 wrote:

 

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provi

RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Linda

 

You summation is crystal clear 1 Mediation, 2 National Programme of Action and 
3 All Inclusive Conference, 100% agreed. It will be encouraging to hear views 
of other PAC members around these three broad issues! 

 

We must address the following:- Venue and Place, Dates and Time, and Convener!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda 
Ndebele
Sent: 05 September 2014 12:33 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; 
takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; 
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nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula 
Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; 
river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; 
tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; 
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pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Comrades,

>From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious 
>Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues:

1. Mediation
2. National Programme of Action, and
3. All-Inclusive National Conference.

If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, 
let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan.

Izwe lethu!

Linda

Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi"  

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Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Shango lashu

 

It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive 
of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be 
extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should 
primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, 
thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation 
Team with clear time lines.

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 
dumisani...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

Poqo,

I mean all leaders  . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures.

Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the 
authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that 
we all know. They have branches that they service . . .

That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures.

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Cde Siya

 

Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two 
paralle

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Shango lashu

 

It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive 
of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be 
extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should 
primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, 
thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation 
Team with clear time lines.

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and  
Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime!

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; 
jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 
dumisani...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

Poqo,

I mean all leaders  . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures.

Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the 
authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that 
we all know. They have branches that they service . . .

That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures.

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Cde Siya

 

Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two 
parallel structures for example! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

The first step then zinkokheli,

Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all 
provinces; that meeting will agree on

*   unification strategy and mediation

that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all 
proposals as you suggest them and identification of the

*   mediation team

Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to 
sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue 
and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 
2014]

On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file 
to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this 
process.

Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' 
(trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. 

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth considera

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Siya

 

Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two 
parallel structures for example! 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM
To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; 
richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; 
dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; 
bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; 
mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: RE: focused practical action

 

The first step then zinkokheli,

Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all 
provinces; that meeting will agree on

*   unification strategy and mediation

that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all 
proposals as you suggest them and identification of the

*   mediation team

Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to 
sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue 
and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 
2014]

On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file 
to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this 
process.

Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' 
(trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. 

 

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote:

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

f.   Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive 
national conference and national congress of PAC;

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; 
znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; 
pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 
patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; 
digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; 
limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; 
nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi
Subject: Re: focused practical action

 

Izwe Lethu Cdes.

 

I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process 
faster is the following;

 

1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or 
under a very matured mediation team.

2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to 
did not

RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b.Mediation team should furthermore engage PAC comrades who formed PAM to 
return (added).

c.Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

d.The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

e.All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

f. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

g.Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

h.Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national 
conference and national congress of PAC;

i.  Thus inclusive conference should be in reality inclusive and unifying 
based on principles and programme of action!

 

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

 

Shango lashu 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 09:53 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; 
znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; 
mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; 
mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; 
icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; 
phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; 
pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; 
sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla 
goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; 
kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; 
legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; 
nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

 

Comrades

 

Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a 
way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out 
to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the 
SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. 
The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out 
of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. 
In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which 
means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can 
salvage any unwarranted situation.

 

When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows 
forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a 
front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think 
that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU 
because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. 

 

Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. 

 

 

 

On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
 wrote:

 

Izwe lethu

 

1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration;

2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign 
which should entail:-

a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute 
through mediation team;

b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; 

c.  The July 2012 Butterworth  Congress elected NEC should account to PAC 
branches and members;

d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including 
APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; 

e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial;

f.   Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; 

g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive 
national conference and national congress of PAC;

 

There many comrades not involved in the feuding,  who can be drawned from PAC, 
AZANYU, PASO and PASMA

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM
To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 
isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@w

[PAYCO] RE: focused practical action

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

- June 2015
*   electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress)  
 - Dec  2015 

This can only work if we can be practical . . .

iAfrika

From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" 

M’Afrika

 

Comrade Linda, Comrade  and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action, 
are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an 
open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by 
Cde Linda?  We must bring into one pot all initiatives to create one common 
action plan to salvage the PAC!

 

The disintegration of PAC must be arrested!

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

On 2014-09-04 11:18, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote:

Inkathazo abaselulawulweni bathi ayikho ingxaki . . .noba izibonakalela nje !

The two calls you mentioned are supported by many of us . . .what is needed 
though is to ensure that this call is endorsed and supported by our structures 
where we belong and those structures has to be open about that. . .Let our 
structures in our branches, regions and provinces come out to officially 
pronounce and demand that to be done.

It is our duty in all our regions to mobilize structures into this call and 
those structures can take a particular stance . . .in doing so we ought to 
understand that not everyone nor every structure will agree, it is the 
challenge that we have to deal with to ensure that the majority of structures 
in our regions buys into this call then that can be the official branch, 
regional and provincial position supported by the majority branches.

Anything less than the majority support for this call is the prolonged chaos as 
we see. . .

The mobilization of structures into this call needs leadership, we need to give 
that leadership on the ground otherwise lets forget we will forever talk with 
no progress.

iAfrika

 

 

On 2014-09-04 10:54, Linda Ndebele wrote:

Greetings comrades,
Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a 
denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all 
is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they 
accept that the party is getting weaker each day under their guard. Those who 
are outside of power, we hold a view that the party is in crisis, we don't 
blame ourselves but those in power. In isizulu we say "Inkombankombane, lowo 
nalowo uvikela ihlo lakhe".
What makes one not to see the light at the end of the tunnel, is that out of 
all these discussions we hardly find a convergence point in terms of the 
wayforward. Neither side presents any concrete plan and steps to rescue the 
party from the quagmire it finds itself. There has been two interesting calls 
made that have not been entertained to this end. 1. The holding of an 
all-inclusive Conference (whose aim would be to reconcile different factions, 
look at the state of the party and devise strategies and decisions that can 
resuscitate the PAC) 2. The call for a National Programme of Action (whose 
purpose would be to marshal our efforts and gear PAC for state power).
I am quite certain comrades that hailing insults to each other and refusing to 
take collective responsibility to the current state of the party will not help 
our movement anyhow but will continue to discourage and demoralize our die-hard 
members and drive in droves young supporters to EFF and other political parties.
Leaders who must take PAC forward are those who are prepared to take ownership 
to the mess PAC find itself and invite all to assist in cleaning up our 
movement. We need leaders who would be hands-on, selfless and who can rise 
above the problem.
I believe PAC can be rescued only if we accept that we are in crisis, we all 
contributed to it and we need everybody's shoulder on the deck to get our 
movement out of this mess.
Izwe lethu!
Linda Kwame Ndebele 

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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Comrade Zondo

 

Your statement makes sense but you are dishonest. Cde Moloto has been paying 
for yourself and Eddie Mfulwane to attend NEC meetings and support his 
positions as far back as 11 May 2013. Your PAYCO is not driving any PAC 
Programmes among the youths in the country buts has been a voting cattle for 
Moloto NEC Grouping. Some of your youths members like Eddie Mfulwane, Justice 
Digashu and others are paid by Moloto to do what Moloto seeks from PAYCO. PYACO 
has no provincial, regional structures across the country with only handful few 
branches. 

 

We know radical and revolutionary AZANYU

 

As PAYCO you have no youth programmes to mobilise and challenge the dominance 
of the ANCYL, DA Youth Organisation is doing far much better. Remember, PASMA 
collapsed under your leadership with Eddie Mfulwane, now PAYCO will be written 
off! PAC with all its mistakes and weaknesses, we used to pride ourselves about 
militant and revolutionary AZANYU, PASO and PASMA leadership and membership 
which was ideologically sound and politically sharp but today PAYCO has become 
a shame. 

 

You are leading PAYCO and a small pocket size trade union? All this is just a 
money making scheme, typical of lumpens.

 

Withdraw yourself from being scrop-lappie of some moneyed people in PAC and 
focus on uniting and building PAYCO. Organise meetings and pursued Mpasha 
Pitso. Your Madadeni congress mandated that end of 2013 PAYCO must have an 
youth conference remain unfulfilled!

 

PAC did not have youth during national elections because PAYCO only exists to 
vote during and at Moloto NEC meetings.

 

Izwe lethu

Ndima 

 

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  
wrote:

M’Afrika 

 

I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the 
rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it 
might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches 
and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an illusion that 
all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has disintegrated and cannot 
execute any constitutional roles without being questioned, there are three NEC 
groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are facing parallel structures across 
the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO!  

 

PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a 
quorum for it has split into three unequal and  non-quorating parts! According 
to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has been suspended 
and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By Cde Letlapa and 
now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde Mpethi has also 
being suspended! There are other NEC members equally suspended. So comrades in 
the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling each other, while refusing to 
account to PAC branches and members at an inclusive national conference.

 

There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to factional 
feuding and weakening of the PAC!

 

This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive 
national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and 
organisational solution.

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah 

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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

th him attend meetings to discuss people and
suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough
luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like
claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has
developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak
revolutionary theory to say the least.

 

There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that
is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious
about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception
it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office
President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a
revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al
what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply
see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100
years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation,
disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of
party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will
remain the same.

 

Izwe Lethu!

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 wrote:

 

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you
raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from
complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. 

Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 


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Izwe Lethu



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RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'AFrika Masoga

 

Kindly share with us the purpose and objective of this National Caucus and
the agenda, such that we can sensitise comrades about it. Is this the first
meeting or not, if there was another meeting kindly share the minutes or
outcomes. We will form part on any initiative openly and sincerely organised
to resolve the paralyses PAC finds itself.  

 

Reality is that the centre has collapsed and constitutionally non-existing,
it is for PAC branches and members to explore constructive and principled
means to re-organise and salvage the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 


Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo 

PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of
this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. 

It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself
does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions
then they are Factions. 

My observation is "that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining
Table" which hamper progress in the PAC. 

Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself
today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC
though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find
the PAC people wants. 

Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and
Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where
people can air their views and put their positions across so that the
strongest Argument Wins.

Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any
grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this
situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we
need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the
process of healing and uniting forces. 

SSS 

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Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 

M'Afrika Masoga

 

Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial
meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national
caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening
factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise
and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings!


 

The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of
time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen
the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator
that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within
the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

  

 

 

 

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RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Morning Cde. Raymond

 

I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an
individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all
others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office
bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly
pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you
maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any
given. 

 

The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and
the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must
be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and
balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness
attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and
ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood
Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in
discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing.

 

 For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of
time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is
since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its
silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG
because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and
suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough
luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like
claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has
developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak
revolutionary theory to say the least.

 

There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that
is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious
about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception
it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office
President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a
revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al
what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply
see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100
years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation,
disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of
party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will
remain the same.

 

Izwe Lethu!

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 wrote:

 

Izwe l

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Masoga

 

Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial
meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national
caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening
factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise
and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings!


 

The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of
time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen
the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator
that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within
the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

  

 

 

 

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Cc: Bosole Chidi
Subject: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 


Revolutionary Greetings MaAfrika A Mahle 

An invitation is extended to a PAC National Caucus that already met on the
30/08/14 and will continue as follows:

Date: 13/09/14

Time: 09:00 for 10:00 - 17:00

Venue : Tshwane : Boardroom 209 Ouraadsaal, opposite Standard Bank next to
Church Square 

AGENDA 

National Conference/Congress 

The Caucus is not a Constitutional Structure of the PAC of Azania but is
open to all PAC Members and Cadres. 




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RE: [PAYCO] Clause 14 (b) has to be scrapped

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

14 (b) is a microcosm of the deep ideological and organisational problem
facing the party, therefore scrapping 14 (b) is not necessarily a solution.
The core problem is mainly the character and form of leadership as a party
we have from national to regional including branch level, and the reversal
of this perspective is that leadership has become a reflection of the
quality membership of PAC today! The beauty of roses reflect both the type
of the plant and roots including soil! If the roots can't penetrate the soil
to absorb desired nutrients then one should not expect colourful roses! 


To resolve the leadership problem in the medium to long term, we must
qualitatively improve and grow the party membership!  To change the
government by ballot or bullet, you must win the masses over politically
through mass work and constant political education! The same logic applies
internally to the party!

Kind regards
Nkrumah

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Ndebele
Sent: 29 August 2014 02:44 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; 'Mbulelo Raymond'
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; 'MoAfrica wa Azania'; 'Keith
Moyce'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Lucas Masemola'; m...@pac.org.za; 'karabo
mokgojwa'; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; 'Solly Hlubi';
danielmamony...@gmail.com; 'KHOISAN SONTI'; 'Cape'; 'Siyabulela Ndamane';
'Babalwa Malawu'; nol...@nactu.org.za; zun...@tut.ac.za;
legalu...@sacwu.co.za; manaopane7...@nokiamail.com; clementmar...@yahoo.com;
'kgothatso sithole'; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; 'sindi
mbele'; 'tsatsawani chauke'; zozoj...@yahoo.com; 'Dimakatso Moletsane';
'Maciej Radzio'; 'Mofihli Likotsi'; 'Excellent Rikhotso'; 'SELLO IRVIN
LESABANE'
Subject: [PAYCO] Clause 14 (b) has to be scrapped

Greetings!

One of the things I will be lobbying for is the scrapping of Clause 14 (b)
in the PAC constitution. This Clause has complicated the state of the party.
It has been abused and manipulated to destroy the party.

What's your take comrades.

Izwe lethu!


Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

-Original Message-
From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" 
Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:01:35
To: ; 'Mbulelo Raymond'
Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
Cc: ; ; 'MoAfrica wa
Azania'; 'Keith Moyce';
'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Lucas
Masemola'; ; 'karabo
mokgojwa'; ; 'Solly
Hlubi'; ; 'KHOISAN
SONTI'; 'Cape';
'Siyabulela Ndamane'; 'Babalwa
Malawu'; ; ;
; ;
; 'kgothatso sithole';
; ; 'sindi
mbele'; 'tsatsawani chauke';
; 'Dimakatso Moletsane';
'Maciej Radzio'; 'Mofihli Likotsi';
'Excellent Rikhotso'; 'SELLO IRVIN
LESABANE'
Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance
the struggle?

Comrade Linda

The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the
silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by
persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line
ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC
along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based
revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the
African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and
white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character.  

The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to
subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves
as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the
"freedom" fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government
that must be supported. 

Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought,
hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that "
Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage
by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep
them tools for their cause." It is the money'ed group which we opted to
describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully
captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its current state
of political and organisational disintegration aiming to destroy and kill
from PAC's organisational practices the existence and presence of
revolutionary practices. The ideological decay and the political rot thus
organisational disintegration has unfortunat

[PAYCO] August 2014 Women's Months- Honouring Neo Chepape Memorial Lecture on Saturday 23 2014 @ Siyathemba-Balfour

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

This was the revolutionary tribute paid by the comrades in AAPRP and
AAWRU(All African Women Revolutionary Union) during the Neo Chepape Memorial
Lecture on Saturday 23 2014 @ Siyathemba-Balfour.

"The total liberation and unification of Africa under an All-African
Socialist government must be the primary objective of all Black
revolutionaries throughout the world. It is an objective which, when
achieved, will bring about the fulfilment of the aspirations of Africans and
People of African descent everywhere. It will at the same time advance the
triumph of the international socialist revolution."-Kwame Nkrumah 

Website - http://www.aaprp-intl.org Email: cont...@aaprp-intl.org

From: The All African Women's Revolutionary Union
 Re: Honouring Comrade Mama Neo Chipape, PAC of Azania
 Date: August 22, 2014 (Haitian Revolution begins 1791)
 We send this message of solidarity to our comrades in struggle in the Pan
Africanist Congress of Azania on the occasion of the honoring of our
Revolutionary Warrior Cde Mama Neo Chipape.

As we remember the life and works of our comrade Mama Neo Chipape who led
the Revolutionary militants of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania in the
early 1990s, we offer our fraternal condolences to the family of our dearest
sister, Mama Neo and to our comrades, our community and our Pan Africanist
Azania Nation on the eve of her transition to the ancestor realm.

We know that the creator and ancestors welcome her into their revolutionary
realm and they have received her well and welcome another warrior to watch
over and to guide our continued revolutionary struggle.

On behalf of the Pan Africanist and comrades in the AAPRP and AAWRU, we are
forever grateful for the revolutionary example Mama Neo Chipape has given
and the spirit of resistance she leaves behind for us to carry on! Her life
is a beacon of hope as history/ herstory is forever alive and surrounds us
and is a reflection in every aspect of our struggle.

We know that today, Azania south Africa is not the democracy that Mama
Chipape fought for and not the Pan African state that our ancestors before
her e.g Comrade Sobukwe and many others called for and spent their lives to
resurrect from the ashes of colonialism/imperialism and apartheid. The
fruits of the revolution have yet to be tasted, but her living example is
testament to the resilience of our struggle and the paramount importance of
the African woman in the Forefront of this African Revolution.

The Revolution can never be complete without the African Woman as leading
architect and builder to create the society that we women and men of the
soil Must Occupy. Together, we must occupy the Space of Power! Together we
must lead the National liberation struggle and the Pan African Revolution!
The fact that Azanian citizens still live in poverty does not stop us. The
fact that Azanian workers are still not paid a living wage and work in
miserable conditions does not deter us. The fact that Azanian people still
do not occupy the land and are not living in the homes for which we have
fought will not detract us! The fact that Azanian children suffer disease,
poverty, miseducation or no education, lack of care and love will not turn
us back! That fact that Azanian women continue to be attacked physically,
and under triple exploitation because we are women, we are African and we
are workers does not slow our forward charge! 
 All of Africa and African people around the world suffer this same
miserable condition and without Revolutionary unity and Revolutionary
organization, we will never enjoy the fruits of our labour or our land! This
we are certain of.

We are reminded of the words of our revolutionary ancestor and leader, the
great revolutionary Amilcar Cabral. He said at the funeral of our President
Nkrumah. "Our tears should not drown the truth. We as freedom fighters are
not weeping for the death of . our comrade, even of a comrade who was a
companion in struggle and an exemplary revolutionary..Nor are we weeping for
Africa's betrayal. But we are weeping with hatred for those who were capable
of betraying our comrade's ignoble service!" The People demand that we right
the wrongs of those who have betrayed the revolution by tripling our efforts
in the ideological, political and organization struggle that is before us.
The People are our beginning and our end and it is for them and the
liberation of our land Africa that our dearest Mama Chipape dedicated her
life. Her struggle and sacrifice will never be in vein as materialist
actions have both an immaterial and material impact that reverberates and
inoculates future generations!

Because of her life example, our Sisters of the PAC and brothers will be
more dedicated to reach our objective of Pan Africanism sooner. Because of
the mandate of the People, together we will be more committed to advance our
revolutionary efforts with more efficiency and more ideological and moral
resolve than ever before. Africa is rehabilitated with 

RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle?

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Linda

The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the
silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by
persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line
ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC
along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based
revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the
African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and
white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character.  

The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to
subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves
as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the
"freedom" fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government
that must be supported. 

Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought,
hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that "
Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage
by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep
them tools for their cause." It is the money'ed group which we opted to
describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully
captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its current state
of political and organisational disintegration aiming to destroy and kill
from PAC's organisational practices the existence and presence of
revolutionary practices. The ideological decay and the political rot thus
organisational disintegration has unfortunately being cascaded to across all
party structures including component structures, hence parallel structures.
Equally, the very same comprador bourgeoisie are redefining the PAC to
become an African nationalist capitalist political formation which will
argue good governance slogan as is the case with other neo-liberal political
parties. 

Constitutionally PAC has no NEC! Thus no-one and no group can claim to be
constitutionally a PAC NEC!

All the conferences organised by the now two feuding NEC groupings, namely
Moloto's NEC grouping is organising September 2014 Conference while Mpthi
NEC Grouping is organising December 2014 Conference, these conferences aims
at consolidating factional group's interests than forging principled unity
of PAC members and branches, hence our view that PAC branches and members
should denounce such events and starts on building principled party unity
starting from branch level to inclusive regional and provincial conferences.


We must accept that PAC members had been successfully turned against each,
in a manner never seen before! 

This occurrences was bound to occur, we have however underestimated its
actual capacity of political and ideological destruction. They have achieved
in less 24 months, what CIA, MOSSAD, MI0 and other instruments of
imperialism combined failed to achieve, that is, total destruction of PAC! 

I suggest, if you will agree that your five questions, be subjected to an
in-depth analysis and deliberations, for in these questions resides only
primary question "What Is To Be Done? 

Above all the comprador bourgeoisie leading the three feuding NEC groupings
will not subject themselves to any form of democratic centralism, they do
not seek an orderly and normal PAC! PAC branches and 

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Ndebele
Sent: 24 August 2014 08:08 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mbulelo Raymond
Cc: d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; MoAfrica wa Azania; Keith Moyce;
Malinge Plaatjie; Lucas Masemola; m...@pac.org.za; karabo mokgojwa;
pasmapresid...@gmail.com; Solly Hlubi; danielmamony...@gmail.com; KHOISAN
SONTI; Cape; Siyabulela Ndamane; Babalwa Malawu; nol...@nactu.org.za;
zun...@tut.ac.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; manaopane7...@nokiamail.com;
clementmar...@yahoo.com; kgothatso sithole; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za;
nnyq...@gmail.com; sindi mbele; tsatsawani chauke; zozoj...@yahoo.com;
Dimakatso Moletsane; Maciej Radzio; Mofihli Likotsi; Excellent Rikhotso;
SELLO IRVIN LESABANE
Subject: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the
struggle?

Revolutionary greetings!

Comrades one is confronted by serious personal questions as to the role one
should play in the struggle in view of the current state of the PAC in
response to the country's political statues quo.

The state of the party continues to cripples our contribution and role in
the struggle to emancipate our people. We are unable to use our talents,
skills, intellectual capital and passion for politics for the benefit of our
cause.

The leadership wrangles in the party has frustrated us the youth in terms of
growth and being nurtured for leader

Re: [PAYCO] MPETHI PRESIDENTIAL DECREE AND THREE PAC NEC SPLITS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

I read this entire thread of emails at least three times, Its so shocking
as to how many PAC members and branches were made to believe and support
positions which today are proven to be directly responsible for
factionalism and the disintegration of the PAC!

Its immaterial how one percieve's himself in broader scheme of events,
what's fundamental is to locate one's actions in relation to dealing with
substantive issues than being subjective. 2007 decree was unjustified by
reason was undermined by subjective interests and ego. Indeed Cde Letlapa
did not unilaterally invoke 14.2 in 2007 however he was supportted by NEC
members who blantantly refused to reason and see things different when
other NEC members argued that there no crisis post cross floor incident for
Godi had long left and formed APC, so its not Letlapa alone who should
carry full responsibility for chaos that started in 2007. Of interest it is
those NEC members who adviced, stood and supported Cde Letlapa to have
disregarded any positive proposals that aimed to resolve the dispute and
chart the wayforward. Today, these comrades condemns and point Cde Letlapa
as if he individually blunged the entire PAC into a crisis, so effecctively
Cde Letlapa became the scapegoat!

Again 11 May 2013 decision was proven to be un-constitutional but driven by
grudges than a rational and objective approach to issues, NEC members less
than 14 ganged-up hence the subjective and unconstitutional nature of the
11 May 2014. Indeed, the conduct of party affairs had been factional and no
NEC member openly spoke against primarily unconstitution conduct of party
affairs pre and post 11 May 2014! But most NEC members grouped themselves
against this leader or that leader thus groups which then assumed the very
factional mode of operations! 2012 Butterworth Congress elected was split
into two feuding groups, both groupings formed parallel structures as a
form legitimising themselves! And in the process some PAC branches and
members are excluded and cointer organisation took toll! Unconstitutionally
Cde Mpethi was declared as the President and Cde Muendane who resigned in
1999/2000 as PAC Secretary General, a member not in good standing since he
was never became active in any party political programmes as per his
resignation statement was appointed to be the Deputy President. No NEC
member spoke against this and condemned these methods.

Tension and counter organisation within the party equally gave rise to
intolerance, deceit and smear campaign! Again no NEC member openly
discouraged feuding which sow disunity across the party structures!

2014 national elections performed badly, structures were not coordinated
and resources flowed along factional line! Again, no NEC member(s) condemn
this in the interests of party unity!

26-27 July 2014, the Mpethi-Moloto NEC had its meeting which was conflict
ridden then later, on the 30th July 2014 Cde Mpethi invokes the decree he
argues the party has a crisis. Once more NEC splits further into another
two feuding groups.  one led by Mpethi-Muendane and the other Moloto-Joko,
effectively deepening internal party divisions and conflict!

As Letlapa was used as a scapegoat by those who supported the decree in
2007, the same will happen, the supporter of Moloto will turn against him
and claim innocence this put the entire blame on Moloto! The same with
Mpethi, those who advice and supports him will turn and tag Mpethi as the
one person who caused the party crisis!

In less than 24 months, Butterworth 2012 National Congress has
disintegrated into three feuding NEC groupings, this is tge state of the
party as at today. Attending any conference organised by one of this NEC
grouping amounts to supporting and legitimising factionalism.

Only an inclusive and unifying conferences organised from branches, regions
to provinces and finally at national level by a selfless PAC members who
have no ambitions to lead, can salvage the PAC. PAC needs a united
membership and a leadership commitment to advance the 1959 Pan Africanist
programme!

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

On 8 Aug 2014 15:24, "Mbulelo Raymond"  wrote:

> M'Afrika Chargein
>
> Let me save you from gossip and rumour mongering. The question of me
> supporting Mphahlele when he invoked the decree the first time comes from
> me. I have declared in public and I again do declare that I did support
> Mphahlele in that fiasco. The reason why I declared it is because I was
> genuine and honest in my action. I did not support Mphahlele because I
> belonged to his faction. I supported him because genuinely in my opinion,
> there was what I had perceived as a crisis, where three factions one led
> by Thami to which you belonged, and the other led by Godi opposed almost
> anything that came from Mphahlele as a President of the PAC. In return,
> Mphahlele and his faction opposed anything that came from any of the other
> factions.You will recall that the issue on the table at the time was

[PAYCO] Re: blame game same as pretending to be normal is not helping

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Siya

There are no neutral PAC members and PAC members not supporting the two
feuding, now three feuding NEC groupings can't be defined as neutral.

We have maintained that the an inclusive PAC conference composed of all PAC
Branches and members is crucial to resolve the prevailing political and
organisational parallysis.

The entire Butterworth elected NEC must report and account to members in an
inclusive national conference of PAC aiming to forge Party Unity. We know
thus far, that PAC branches and members were misled and again turned to
fight against each, as the PAC disintegrate organisationally and become
politically insignificant as matters stand today!

Also, we have advocated inclusove regional and provincial conferences
organised mainly to forge unity among PAC branches and members.

To root out factionalism, we also advocated and urged that PAC member  and
branches should denounce and boycot meetings organised to deepen internal
party feuding and drive factional interests.

We urged PAC branches and members to unite and embrace PAC Constitution and
Disciplinary code to to serve as the principled basis for unity and
political work.

Lastly, PAC branches and members should integrate their structures's
political work in the daily struggles waged by African workers and their
respective communities, so as to build PAC's mass based  character on
socialist programme!

Generalisation has its own basic flaws, for it tends to combine genuine PAC
members's omissions with deployed moles/agents, hence one has a serious
difficulty with such an analysis and approach!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah
 On 8 Aug 2014 16:18, "Siyabulela Ndamane"  wrote:

> My dear comrades,
>
> In my view the weakness of any decision taken in any platform is that if
> the majority supports it - it becomes the order of the day irrespective of
> whether it is correct or not . . . this is the unfortunate reality and this
> problem is not unique to the PAC it is the problem of decision making !
>
> If I may take all the decisions and actions taken by the organization
> since unban todate, this unfortunate reality has happened ! What give
> effect to such decisions is that in the PAC those who differ with such a
> decision becomes despondent, withdraws from active political work and those
> who implement the decisions becomes vendettas in settling scores against
> those who opposed/differed on views.
>
> This weakness has bred ground for careerists and opportunists amongst
> ourselves within the ranks of the organ. . .off couse there are other
> contributing factors to the weaknesses of the organization.
>
> Between 1990 - 1996 *intimidation* was the tool used to force decisions
> in the Congress/Conference floor, the submission of some branch delegates
> to this intimidation was the sign of weaknesses on our part as individual
> persons and/or as branch representatives and branches themselves. I won't
> dwell much on the tangible facts of this argument most of you knows. . .
> e.g. the Revolutionary Watchdogs persistent criticism of the direction
> taken by the leadership did not sway the actions of the leadership - the
> decision to suspend armed-struggle was resisted then what - the pro and
> anti 1994 Elections chaos . . .with all the efforts to resist at the end of
> the day the leadership and decisions remained whether we liked them or not
> ! and most of all there were branches who supported and accepted the
> decision of the leadership whether right or wrong.
>
> Yes, many people have since distanced themselves from the organization
> because of the above . . .but PAC remained though bleeding ! The current
> situation (2006 - 2014) is not different from [(1990 - 1996) and (1996 -
> 2006)], the organizational and administrative machinery has been collapsing
> - the decision making process and implementation of those decisions has not
> improved - the branches and structures became more weak and some
> non-existent ! Between 1996 - 2000 it was Mogoba-Makwetu problems; 2000 -
> 2003 internal NEC problems; 2003 - 2006 the 'Talibans' and internal NEC
> differences; 2006 - 2014 internal NEC problems, Letlapa the 2 decrees; PAC
> Convention (cape town) & INDABA (soweto), Butterworth Congress; explusion
> of Letlapa and councillors; internal NEC problems and Mphethi decree. All
> this happens with the support of some branches in both opposing directions.
>
> Each opposing side always has a reason to argue the correcteness of their
> view and actions . . .we have seen this since 1990 todate, therefore the
> blame-game is not helping ! One can raise all correct arguments in his/her
> world-view blaming the otherside - the otherside can equally do the same.
>
> For as long we don't come together and accept that our
> individual/collective views can win-or-lose an argument at a certain point
> in time and in all that the organization has to be kept intact focused to
> the ultimate objectives, otherwise we must just forget that the PAC will
>

RE: [PAYCO] Pan Africanism: An ideology historical and socio political movement

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M’Afrika

 

Thanks M’Afrika Vusie Makhathini for the documents. The intent of these 
documents must be clarified and shared, such that there can be meaningful 
interaction. However, my own analysis is that the arguments and questions 
raised in this documents had been answered in the PAC 1959 Pan Africanist 
Manifesto including other PAC Basic Documents. It is also a matter of concern 
that the document fails to recognise PAC’s 1959 theoretical contribution on the 
evolution of Pan Africanism given the peculiarities of the Azanian Case  and 
Africa especially in the neo-colonial epoch (read the Africanist Case 
elaboration by the then PAC Secretary for Education), the PAC construction of 
aiming to establish an Africanist Socialist Democracy is the theoretical 
contribution on Pan Africanism, as a system of political economy and 
governance. If the documents sought to present an institutional framework to 
advance social transformation within the very same prescripts of an Africanist 
Socialist Democracy. Secondly Kwame Nkrumah in the Class Struggle in Africa has 
also moved further in concretising the PAC conceptualisation of the Africanist 
Socialist Democracy.

 

Furthermore Pan Africanism rejects in totality capitalism in any form including 
white supremacy, instead of Pan Africanism rejecting European hegemony. 
Rejection of European hegemony narrows and limits Pan Africanism to some form 
of narrow continental nationalism.

 

The basic documents vividly present characteristics of Pan Africanism and such 
a theoretical contribution in the description of Pan Africanism stands as the 
political theoretical advancement made by the PAC as far as 1959, the same 
still applies during the prevalent neo-colonial epoch. 

 

Furthermore, the usage of the concept post-colonial Africa, is intellectually 
and theoretically misleading for it creates an impression that Africa is free 
from the shackles of capitalism and white supremacy, which is not the case for 
capitalism and white supremacy has evolved itself from classic colonialism, to 
settler colonialism and now post 1994 political dispensation represents a neo 
administration of the same capitalist and white supremacist system to be 
managed by a black or African face hence Kwame Nkrumah description of this 
system as neo-colonial system or neo-colonialism similar to a snake shedding an 
old skin however remain as a poisonous and deadly serpent with the same diet! 
Neocolonialism (also Neo-colonialism) is the geopolitical practice of using 
capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to influence a 
country, in lieu of either direct military control or indirect political 
control, i.e. imperialism and hegemony. The term neo-colonialism was coined by 
president Kwame Nkrumah, to describe the socio-economic and political control 
that can be exercised economically, linguistically, and culturally, whereby 
promotion of the culture of the neo-colonist country facilitates the cultural 
assimilation of the colonised people and thus opens the national economy to the 
multinational corporations of the neo-colonial country

 

During the neo-colonial epoch, the African comprador bourgeoisie exploit the 
relationship they have with political leaders thus like vampires’ sucking blood 
from a helpless victim, the African comprador bourgeoisie loot public funds as 
a form of wealth creation, such looting is also referred as corruption, thus an 
emergence of oligarchy in control of the neo-colonial state on behalf of the 
capitalist and white supremacist powers commonly located at the core region of 
capitalist world economic system. 

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

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[PAYCO] Know PAC Brief Insight Document

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika 

 

Find attached Know PAC Brief Insight, which one strongly feels that the
authors must rectify most of the contents of the document prior its
distribution. The initiative is good to educate and promote the PAC, however
usage of words and concepts should not be taken for granted when producing
publication and expressing the PAC's belief system.

 

Some of the errors identified are as follows:-

 

On PAC Presidents it should start with Prof Robert Sobukwe and also add
Clarence Mlamli Makwetu and Dr Motsoko Pheko who equally led PAC as a
President. PAC thirds objective and the basic documents within the socialist
economic system explicitly states states that "To establish an Africanistic
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and spiritual interests of the individual"; but what
is written in the Know PAC Brief Insight which "The ownership and control of
the economy of this country must be restructured to become owned and
controlled by the State, popular trusts (by various groupings of the
citizens), communities (trusts, cooperatives, funds, etc) workers and
private individuals", this statement amounts to ideological
misrepresentation because state ownership and control like in China amounts
to another form of capitalism which is state capitalism not necessarily
Scientific Socialism posits working class control and ownership of the means
of production including determination of distribution. Taken further
Socialism can further be expanded in terms of permanent revolution to
entrench working class hegemony as a necessary path to radically root out
the capitalist belief system from the society and create a new society. 

 

And furthermore the last part of the above sentence in Know PAC Brief
Insight which is written as follows "The ownership and control of the
economy of this country must be restructured to become owned and controlled
by .private individuals" this advocates for retention and maintenance of
capitalist social relation which makes the premise of the entire document to
be not only capitalist orientated however it further falsely and a seriously
distorts Pan Africanism and PAC as we know and understand. And this sentence
in the Know PAC Brief Insight is a total joke  and make mockery out of the
PAC "All citizens, except the elderly, children and seriously disabled, must
engage in some economic productive activities with the state providing
initial support. No free lunch and no dependency on Government"' who said
the elderly and the disable are incapable to make a meaningful contribution
toward social economic development of a people? Discrimination of the
elderly and disabled is commonly found among primitive and capitalist
societies.

 

And the entire Know PAC Brief Insight, it naively over simplifies the Health
System for it is froth with poor comprehension and analysis of what
constitutes an alternative socialist Health System. A country's health
system is not necessarily limited and narrowed to the number of doctors in
relation to patients, it is a complex system and cannot be reduced to having
more paramedics than doctors will resolve the south Africa's health system
crisis as the document suggests. The Know PAC Brief Insight  advocates for
more paramedics, now for purpose of clarity a paramedic implies or means a
person who is trained to do medical work, especially emergency first aid,
but such a person is not necessarily  a fully qualified doctor nor a
radiographer nor a nurse or a neurologist nor a medical scientist nor a
hygiene specialist nor a dietician nor an ophthalmologist nor a dentist nor
a pharmacist nor other essential health professional.

 

And the policy positions on Know PAC Brief Insight must be removed until PAC
Conference deliberates and recommends for congress to consider on policy
proposals presented and adopted at the national congress. 

 

I suggest and humbly plead that this document must not distributed, it
should be firstly read and proof read and further edited prior its
distribution. PAC has adequate historians and literature expertise which
should be utilised to ensure quality political literature is circulated.
Nonetheless, the initiative a must be commended and supported.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] A Tribute To Nelson "Nana" Mahomo,

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 






 

Nelson “Nana” Mahomo, an Advisor 

to the African Scientific Insitute - South Africa, NPC 

has passed away 

 

A TRIBUTE TO LIBERATION STRUGGLE VETERAN NELSON “NANA” MAHOMO
by Dr. Motsoko Pheko, an International Advisor of the African Scientific 
Institute 


On the eve of an historic event in South Africa that exploded the myth that 
Africans would remain slaves of apartheid colonialism forever, Robert Mangaliso 
Sobukwe the Founding President of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania 
despatched outside apartheid colonial South Africa three  members of his PAC 
National Executive Council (NEC). They were Peter N. Raboroko, Peter H. 
‘Molotsi and Nelson “Nana” Mahomo. These PAC leaders were the first to meet 
President Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana from South Africa. They operated from his 
country spreading their liberation message throughout the world. 


Veteran “Nana” Mahomo then about thirty three years of age, was one of the 
architects of the national campaign called the “Positive Action Campaign.” Its 
results demonstrate its uniqueness. 


The best way for me to pay tribute to Veteran Nelson “Nana”Mahomo is call those 
who witnessed the political events of those days and effects which included 84 
PAC supporters who became martyrs in what is now internationally known as 
“Sharpeville Uprising,” “Sharpeville Day” or what the United Nations called 
“International Day For The Elimination of Racial Discrimination.”  That was as 
a result of sending out Nelson “Nana” Mahomo and other PAC representatives 
outside South Africa. 


Frantz Fanon author of THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH, writing about the Sharpeville 
Uprising said, “The seventeen days that shook South Africa, indeed, the entire 
world from 21st March this year [1960] have forced an irrevocable turn in the 
history of the country. The Pan Africanist Congress and the proletariat 
actively intervened in their affairs and ushered in a new period, rich in 
historical perspective and pregnant with political possibilities for the 
democratic movement 


Sharpeville has become the symbol. It was through it that, men and women in the 
world became acquainted with the problem of apartheid in South Africa.” 


For the first time ever, as a result of the Sharpeville and Langa Uprisings on 
21st March 1960, led by Nelson Nana Mahomo’s organisation, the Pan Africanist 
Congress of Azania; the supreme body of the United Nations, in honour of the  
PAC martyrs who sacrificed their lives on March 21st March 1960 at Sharpeville, 
Langa, Evaton, Vanderbyl Park and other places in the country; the United 
Nations General Assembly, through its Resolution 2396 declared March 21st each 
year, International Day For The Elimination Of Racial Discrimination. 


This happened because Pan Africanist Congress leaders like “Nana” Mahomo had 
left the comfort of their homes and dedicated themselves to the liberation of 
their country and humanity. 


Dr. Ismail Mohammed, a Mathematics lecturer at the University of Witwatersrand 
was absolutely correct on political events and the significance of the 
Sharpeville Uprising when he wrote, “Sharpeville stands out as a turning point 
in our history. In the aftermath of the Sharpeville Uprising, when the full 
horrible magnitude of the tyrant became clear, the lines were drawn to 
determine the  destiny of our country.” (The Natal Mercury newspaper 18 March 
1981). 


Veteran Nelson “Nana” Mahomo contributed immensely to this “turning point in 
the history of our country.”
The United Nations Special Committee Against Apartheid was formed as a result 
of the Sharpeville Uprising of which Nana Mahomo had been one of its 
architects. The International Convention On The Suppression and Punishment of 
Crime Of Apartheid through which the United Nations declared apartheid a crime 
against humanity came as a result of the Sharpeville Uprising. The expulsion of 
South Africa from the United Nations General Assembly was brought about by the 
Pan Africanist Congress representatives at the United Nations of which “Nana” 
Mahomo had been a founder. 


The United Nations gave observer status to PAC and ANC as recognised liberation 
movements from South Africa as a result of the PAC campaign waged with the 
support of the Organisation of African Unity. The PAC had prepared a paper 
pointing out that South Africa was a British colony which Britain had never 
decolonised. 


Confirming this fact, Prof. Tom Lodge has written, “In November 1974 PAC 
lobbyists succeeded in obtaining the expulsion of South Africa from the United 
Nations General Assembly and in July 1975 the Organisation of African Unity 
Meeting in Kampala (Uganda), adopted as official policy a long document 
prepared by the PAC arguing the case for the illegality of South Africa’s 
status.” 


Veteran Mahomo served the liberation of the African people in Azania with 
remarkable dedication and perseverance. This was despite insults hurled at him 
by his political oppone

[PAYCO] FW: AN APPEAL FOR A SOLIDARITY CAMPAIGN

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

 

 

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 June 2014 04:57 PM
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Subject: AN APPEAL FOR A SOLIDARITY CAMPAIGN

 

Greetings Comrades

 

The National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa), Solidarity, the Metal and 
Electrical Workers Union of South Africa and the South African Equity Workers 
Association are demanding a 15% wage increase, while employers have offered an 
inflation-linked increase of 6.1%. We have long predicted that the Metal and 
Engineering industries workers will also go to industrial strike action, given 
the fact that NUMSA mainly seeks to strategically position itself and grow it 
membership base in the metal and engineering industries and the entire 
manufacturing sector. The strategic positioning by NUMSA as an alternative 
fighting trade union will result to a massive decline and loss of membership by 
both MEWUSA and any NACTU and FEDUSA trade unions.  

 

 

The readings are on the wall comradely, workers in the country are seeking for 
alternative trade unions willing to strengthen workers’ workplace and 
industrial fighting capacity against low wages, poor working conditions and 
lack of benefits. The socio-economic conditions become an additional impetus 
which drives workers to trade unions that are publicly visible and with 
political campaigns fighting both capitalist exploitation and government’s poor 
service delivery. Failure for MEWUSA and other manufacturing industries based 
trade union to adopt a fighting attitude to confront capitalist exploitation 
and poor service delivery, these unions will notice absence of membership 
growth but a loss of membership.

 

Once again we place before MEWUSA and all NACTU Affiliates, to consider to 
adopt campaigns which will place them directly in the daily struggles waged by 
the African workers and their respective communities. As activists, researchers 
and academics, we avail ourselves and our expertise to assist in developing 
actions plans and implementation of those actions plans. Comrades should not 
that, workers are interested in organisations that integrates both workplaces 
struggles jointly with community based struggles.

 

We place the following for your consideration and deliberations:-

 

Workplace and Economic Demands

 

·Total ban or abolish labour brokers across all industries;

·Medical and Provident/Pension Fund Benefit for all workers across all 
industries;

·Housing allowance payable to each worker across all industries;

·Mandatory workplace training for all workers without loss of pay;

·No company in our industry should be allowed to implement Employment 
Tax Incentive, total rejection of youth wage subsidy;

 

Social Demands

 

·Free and Compulsory education from Grade R until Postgraduate Degree;

·Review of SETAs role and funding be directed mainly to FET Colleges to 
resolve skills shortage in the country

·Abolish private education for a single public education system;

·Abolish private Health System for a single public health system;

·RE-opening of teachers training colleges to resolve teachers shortages 
at public schools;

·Re-opening of nursing colleges across all provinces to resolve 
shortage of nurses at hospitals and clinics

·Re-opening of technical colleges until evening until Saturday to allow 
workers access to education;

·Opening Agricultural Colleges across all provinces to develop skills 
and knowledge on crop and stock farming;

·All public servants and parliamentarians should use public services 
such as schools, transport, clinics and hospitals;

·Parliamentarians should earn an equivalent salary including benefits 
to those of workers;

·Free electricity and water for the unemployed and workers earning less 
than R8000,00;

·House state su

[PAYCO] RE: The 4th Annual African Unity for Renaissance Conference and Africa Day

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Mohlomphegi

Thanks for the invitation to your NEC Meeting which I hope the invite is
open to all and interested PAC Members and Branches to attend as observers.

Kindly, advise where and when is the meeting this weekend?

Shango lashu

Nkrumah
On 22 May 2014 11:11, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele"  wrote:

>  Cadre Nkrumah
>
>
>
> Please can you take your time to attend the Sunday NEC meeting as an
> observer so that you get to know where this party of Sobukwe is and where
> it is heading.
>
>
>
> The party is engaged in some sort of other issues and the real issues as
> presented by this conference are long being abandoned. The PAC of today is
> not what the PAC of Sobukwe is. We are simply the former PAC. Our challenge
> is to resurrect the real PAC.
>
>
>
> On our honour and fortunes!
>
>
>
> *From:* Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 22 May 2014 09:09 AM
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[PAYCO] RE: The 4th Annual African Unity for Renaissance Conference and Africa Day

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Force

 

If that is the case then it is best that in that meeting it should be
resolved that an inclusive national conference be convened July or August
2014, for PAC members to reflect of the state of the PAC and explore/
determine the ways and means to re-organise and re-build the PAC.

 

In one of the pieces Cde T Ntoni not long ago alluded that "The
revolutionary left should have realised by now how reactionary their
sectarianism and ongoing fragmentation continues to be. They should have
realised how reactionary their parliamentary cretinism continues to be. How
reactionary their undeclared but still undisguised mistrust of the African
proletariat is. How their continued inner-party and intra-party suppression
of revolutionary PoA works in favour of global capitalism, settler
colonialism and pro-Apartheid capitalism. How they continue to be, through
their actions and inaction, inadvertently or consciously in support of the
enemies of the revolution. Revolutionary unity is attainable only on the
basis of a revolutionary PoA as conceptualised above." And in another he
posit a view that seeks to explain the disintegration of the party, thus he
contends that "The extent of political and ideological bankruptcy and/or
degeneration among the general membership and cadreship is revealing. How we
allow ourselves to be hoodwinked, manipulated and dictated upon by the now
dominant petit bourgeois faction, has grave implications for the revolution
or counter-revolution ahead. How we allow ourselves to continue to be played
and manipulated into false dichotomies, zero-sum alternatives, tunnel vision
and the resultant horde mentality has grave implications for the party of
revolution- the ship of freedom" Written 

 

The role of the feuding petit bourgeois factions is to catalyse the
fragmentation of the party in order to prolong the current political
paralysis into the general elections and beyond

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah 

 

From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] 
Sent: 22 May 2014 11:10 AM
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RE: [PAYCO] Members

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

 

National Elections reflect the perceptions people hold and form decisions
when the cast their votes, according to the theory of issue voting, voters
compare the candidates' respective principles against their own in order to
decide for whom to vote. A voter does not need to have an in-depth
understanding of every issue and knowledge of how a candidate stands on
every issue, but rather a sense of which candidate they agree with the most.
Voters use many different tactics to rationalize their view on a particular
issue. Some people look at what has happened in the past and predict how
they think a particular issue will affect them in the future. A study found
that voters switch between issue voting and party voting depending on how
much information is available to them about a given candidate. A voter's
understanding of parties' principles is strengthened and developed over time
as a person gains experience with more political events. First, issues are
not always dichotomous; there are often many stances one could take. Voters
often must settle for the candidate whose stances are closest to their own,
example majority of people seek employment, quality free education, ANC in
the past 20 years failed to deliver on these basic service and needs but
voters casted their votes in favour of ANC but not PAC! Why because some
voters opinion are either sentimental and/or based on opinion formulated on
the basis of skewed information (we know ANC is not the only liberation
movement- so why should/ do people consider ANC as the only liberation
movement) or failure of PAC to expose itself to the public during 365 day
multiplied by 5 years deprived voters information about PAC as an
alternative Party. In order for an issue to create the foundation for party
choice, a voter must first be concerned about a particular issue and have
some knowledge about that issue which is linked to a party or particular
candidate of the Party. The media is and will always be biased, what plans
did the party formulate to in advance to promote and popularise its
positions and condemn acts deemed not to be in the public's interests!  

 

In order for a person to be an issue voter, they must be able to recognize
that there is more than one opinion about a particular issue, have formed a
solid opinion about it and be able to relate that to a specific political
party. According to Campbell, only 40 to 60 percent of the informed
population even perceives party differences, and can thus partake in party
voting. This would suggest that it is common for individuals to develop
opinions of issues without the aid of a political party. Thus while some
voters cast their votes based on the understanding of a party's principles,
most tends to cast their votes based on perceptions and opinions based
either on issues or that which had the most impacted for a voter to create a
perception or opinion.

 

Mao argued that every difference in men's concepts should be regarded as
reflecting an objective contradiction. Objective contradictions are
reflected in subjective thinking, and this process constitutes the
contradictory movement of concepts, pushes forward the development of
thought, and ceaselessly solves problems in man's thinking. Opposition and
struggle between ideas of different kinds constantly occur within the Party;
this is a reflection within the Party of contradictions between classes and
between the new and the old in society. If there were no contradictions in
the Party and no ideological struggles to resolve them, the Party's life
would come to an end.

 

We are at risk of being reduced to political commentators as the PAC is
thrown into obscurity, as it no longer exist in the consciousness of the
masses, as the PAC disintegrates daily! We are caught up in a cobweb of
conflicting practices, principles against patronage; objective reality and
sentimentalism. Drawing from past experiences, unhappy PAC members always
resorted to either not voting while others openly de-campaign PAC during
national elections as far back as 1994, 1999, 2004; but since 2009 and 2014
the majority members and branches opted not vote and not to campaign for
PAC, amidst efforts made to encourage PAC members to vote and campaign for
PAC.  Failure, to be cognisant of the fact that PAC is an organisation whose
membership and leaders are deeply hurt, PAC is a wounded party which
requires a self-healing process. PAC members are highly disgruntled and the
2014 National and Provincial Elections serves as nothing but a clear
indicator. Our party is in a highly abnormal situation organisationally. The
golden fibre that kept the party in tact has been eroded, to rebuild and
re-organise the PAC implies re-crafting that golden fibre and this requires
sober, objectiveness and principles approach to problem solving.

 

Lenin said: "The two basic (or two possible? or two historically
observable?) conceptions of development (evolution) are: development as
decrease and inc

RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Sibeko

 

Just to address two observations in your statement namely:- “ It appears that 
PAC members did not vote or they either they voted the EFF or the ANC” and “I 
say this because in my branch, the votes do not talk to the membership. This is 
very disappointing. PAC is stabbed by its members, we cannot blame financial 
resources alone”.

 

While I fully agree with you that we cannot fully blame financial resources 
alone, however we must note that there are many endogenous and exogenous 
factors that should be considered and examined so to explain the PAC’s 
performance. In the past we once explained that for PAC to make a significant 
impact during national elections, it should start electioneering five years 
before the actual elections, that is, as PAC we should have started campaigning 
immediately after 2009 national elections, we should ensure that twelve months 
(12) months before elections PAC has adequately prepared its members, 
structures, identified and trained four- six party agents per voting station. 
PAC should consider to effectively use its members and strucutures as a key 
resource based on a clearly defined political programme and strategies. The 
resolution taken after the 1999 national election under the then National 
Organiser M’Afrika Ata Kgosana and the 2000 local government elections then 
National Organiser it was Themba Godi, it was that PAC Elections structures 
namely NEA, PEA, REA and BEA must be standing committees to build the required 
institutional capability and retain institutional memory. Every elections PAC 
starts afresh as if we are a new political party! 

 

Commonly any party mobilises and organises its membership and structures 12 
months – 8 months prior elections, this implies among many things to have party 
members highly inspired and motivated towards, during and post elections, 
aspects such as:-

 

·   PAC’s Internal (endo) environment organisational and structural factors 
 such as,

 

o   The 11 May 2014 NEC grouping in charge of elections failed to act in best 
interest of the PAC, because as far as four months before 7th May 2014 national 
elections, all members and leaders knew that PAC is highly divided and stand a 
risk of some members not to vote PAC due to internal leadership feuding, 
logically they could have created a national list that is unifying the PAC and 
could have considered some former PAC leaders are not part of any of the 
feuding factions, to be the face of the PAC, that they could have considered 
PAC leaders such as Mark Shinners or Ata Kgosana or Tsietsi Telite (former PASO 
President) to be the face of the PAC during elections; 

  

o   PAC Leaders mobilised members and voters by sending a conflict message send 
to voters namely VOTE EFF and PAC, when a ballot only permits a voter to cast a 
vote for only one political party. Interestingly EFF never campaigned its 
members, supporters and voters to vote PAC and EFF. EFF campaigned for EFF 
nothing else; 

 

oInternal party environment should not be repulsive and resentful such as 
coordination of elections campaign and circulation of elections information 
along factional lines and interests, some PAC branches and probably majority 
did not have a clue as to what is happening during the elections; 

 

o   Party structures should be stable and functional;

 

o   Leadership’s ability to articulate PAC positions;

 

o   21st March Sharpeville Massacre, the PAC leadership created a political 
platform for EFF to raise its political profile and mobilise support;

 

o   Some of the leaders suffer from delusion of grandeur 

 

o   Financial resources are not necessarily the reason for poor performance of 
the PAC, example PAC Presidential Candidate and those deployed to represent PAC 
at public debates during elections could not convincingly explain and  
articulate all dimension about the Land Question namely Historical land 
dispossession linked to the national question, Political Economic Dimension 
linked to the control and ownership of the means of production, Socio-economic 
Dimension linked to issues such as housing, residential areas, Legislative 
framework meaning land reforms policies’ willing buyer-willing seller and the 
impact of Property Clause etc;

 

·   PAC’s External (exo) environment: systemic factors and mitigation 
strategies

 

o   Attitude of the media side-lining PAC’s , example it became evident that 
e-NCA and E-TV had a plan to write off PAC or had written PAC Off PAC { PAC 
National Elections Coordinating Committee should have had  a Publicity and 
Media Mitigation strategy and proactive plans in advance}

 

o   Analyst comments shaped public opinion and mobilised voters away from PAC { 
PAC National Elections Coordinating Committee should have had  a Publicity and 
Media Mitigation strategy and proactive plans in advance}  

 

The above are few aspects that should be considered, because members in wards 
are not an

[PAYCO] RE: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Tommy 

 

If there are PAC 2014 National Elections Posters, we need them for areas
south of Johannesburg  regions and Pimville including surrounding areas have
not received any posters. We will appreciate if you can deliver them to my
office not later than 24th April 2014, such that the same afternoon I can
deliver them at the branch meeting and others to areas south of
Johannesburg.

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah

 

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Sowetan Avusa; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za;
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emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
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Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] RE: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika Ndade and other Pam Africanists

 

Fighting among yourselves over lists will resolves nothing at this stage
Majoni! PAC members and branches have been fighting each other for long and
have completely forgotten who the enemy as explained in the 1959 Pan
Africanist Manifesto. As PAC members and branches, we should face the
reality that out party-PAC has serious political and organisational
weakness, however at this stage, what matters most is for you to close ranks
and unite under the banner of PAC and accept the bitterness of the parallel
structure and decide how PAC can succeed with parallel structures from
NECs-PEC-REC-BRANCHES (in some cases). The success of any decisions starting
from the 11 May 2013 till to date will measured against basics outcomes such
as:-

 

1) Unity and Strengthening of PAC Structures and members;

2) 7th May National and Provincial Elections performance, if PAC Nationally
re-gains the lost three; 

3) MP Seats and Three (3) MPLs then we should give the 11 May 2013 Grouping
a benefit of doubt that their strategy is working; 

4) PAC influencing Public Policy And Public Opinion; 

5) PAC forming part of daily community and workers struggles; 

6) PAC improving its revolutionary political and organisational form and
character; 

 

If these Six (6) basic areas can be meet by the 7th May 2014, we should then
conclude there is progress and hope! Please Do Not Fight Among Each Other,
Devote Your Energies-Time-Resources To Overthrow Capitalism and White
Supremacy!

 

Shango lashu 

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

PAC -Pimville Branch

 

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Sowetan Avusa; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za;
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emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
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Raymond Kgagudi; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
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mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Re: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

To: PEC Provincial Election Structure 

Attention: Ntando

The Gauteng List should be discussed at GPEC, Gauteng Provincial Executive
Committee, constitutionally so Election Structure has no powers to deal with
this matter. If any structure have a right to deal with sensitive matters
like list therefore why we were electing Provincial Structure. Because if
people have an interest to the provincial list they should not called
election conference for the purpose of pushing their interest, we have
structures here that must addressed those issues,  Cde Ntando i spoke to u
about this matter i was expecting you to consult with the GPEC. we are
waiting for GSG Gauteng Secretary General Cde Tumi and Chairperson Lekgwathi
to give regions instructions to this matter not Election structure which
don't have constitutional powers. look we cannot afford to operate like
Letlapa Cabal who are disrespecting elected structures operating as if they
own the party, if the decision it is against your will or you don't swallow
it nicely, please note we have to follow elected structures and comment as
branches and regions not as individuals MoAfrika. So as Sedibeng Region we
are coming to the election conference to deal with election matters not the
list. we are expecting Cde Tumi to write a circular regarding the Gauteng
list. also MoAfrika Ntando, members are wasting their energies to the issues
that are not building this party, but destroying the party thinking that
they are right while they don't follow the constitution or read parts of the
constitution that suit them. PAC it is a big church ideologically rich it
simple for us to see right and wrong, so please let us follow protocols and
remain respected for our contribution to this party. and me and you we must
teach members to try to contribute to this party not just to receive as if
PAC is cow that we can milking it without feeding it.  As much as we done
our part in Sharperville afcoursed sabotaged by chatterist we are expecting
GPEC to provide leadership to this matter. 

Izwe Lethu

Cde Ndade Mxunya Sedibeng Chairperson 

 

 

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:22 PM, Tommy Ntando 
wrote:

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

 

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[PAYCO] 11 MAY and 18th MAY NEC GROUPINGS COURT CASES

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

We request PAC Members with all high court cases number and submissions to
provide us with case numbers and rulings; and if permissible attach the high
court cases numbers. We intend to explore means to politically resolve the
court battles by reinstating the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code thus
the supremacy of PAC Conference/Congress as prescribed in the constitution.

 

We encourage PAC Branches and members to focus their energies and efforts on
rallying and campaigning voters to vote PAC on the 7th May 2014 National and
Provincial Elections. Post the 7th May 2014, we will explore political and
organisational normalisation of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, such
will be most desired that it be achieved before the lapse of 2014 December.


 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

Pan Africanist Congress of Azania

Pimville Branch

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[PAYCO] PAC NATIONAL AND PROVINCIAL LISTS

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

Find attached Pdf and Excel Spreadsheet versions of the National and
Provincial lists, as published by the IEC on the website address
http://www.elections.org.za/content/Parties/Objections-to-candidate-nominati
ons/ 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah  

 

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Tumediso Modise; Mpumelelo Rulumente; Bongani Sibeko; Lehlogonolo Digashu;
emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; itumeleng mahuma; i...@enca.com; Nkrumah
Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] RE: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

 

Find the attached political parties lists as captured and presented by the
IEC for public comment on the IEC website. PAC candidates lists start from
page 168 - 182.

 

http://www.elections.org.za/content/Parties/Objections-to-candidate-nominati
ons/ 

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

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Tumediso Modise; Mpumelelo Rulumente; Bongani Sibeko; Lehlogonolo Digashu;
emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; itumeleng mahuma; i...@enca.com; Nkrumah
Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] RE: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika Ka Ntando

 

Thanks for the notice and invite, Son of the soil.

 

We have noted that at the proposed provincial election conference there will
discussion documents such as PAC Gauteng Election Strategy & Plan, kindly
send us the copies of the discussion documents such that we can prepare
ourselves thoroughly as branches  so as to enhance and make a meaningful
contribution during deliberations. Pimville Branch has a branch meeting this
weekend thus one strongly believe that  branches  will gladly appreciate to
receive the abovementioned and any discussion papers/documents not later
than the 28th March 2014.  

 

On the Gauteng Provincial candidate, it is common knowledge that according
to the  IEC timetable the closing date to submit candidate list and deposits
for political parties to the Election House in Centurion it was the 12 March
2014,  17H00, what is then the logic to discuss an aspect whose time has
past? Unless if the item it is for noting by members since there has been no
consultation of Gauteng Province branches and members because the list
submitted on the 12th March 2014, as matters stands Gauteng Province list
is not a direct output from PAC branches and members deliberations within
the prescripts of the PAC Constitution. It is evident that there is an
emergence of undemocratic practices which also negates the PAC Constitution
and Disciplinary Code.  

 

Once more we urge and encourage organisers of this Gauteng Election
Conference to ensure that it is inclusive to and for all PAC Branches and
Members, no  PAC member(s) and/or branches should be excluded to participate
at the Provincial Conference. We must mobilise and encourage all PAC members
to campaign and organise people to vote PAC on the 7th May 2014, noting that
PAC has been invisible as a political party contesting 7th May 2014 National
and Provincial Election the Provincial Plan and Strategy which should
include a clear Publicity and Information Strategy to resolve party's
national and provincial visibility serves as a crucial component to achieve
impressive political performance.

 

Izwe lethu 

 

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

Pimville Branch member

 

 

 

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Cc: Sbusiso Xaba; Sam Ditshego; ad...@pac.org.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
Sowetan Avusa; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 0825164...@vodamail.co.za;
Tumediso Modise; Mpumelelo Rulumente; Bongani Sibeko; Lehlogonolo Digashu;
emasem...@nics.co.za; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za;
hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; itumeleng mahuma; i...@enca.com; Nkrumah
Raymond Kgagudi; Ndade Mxunya; phillip Dhlamini; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
reuben.monag...@dcs.gov.za; vaughan thomson; Xola Tyamzashe; Smoll Zondo;
malingeplaa...@yahoo.com; thembelani zwana; nombulelo molusi; Nombulelo
Nikiwe; Nonceba Mbilini; nhlanhlakhuma...@gmail.com;
thabiso_sel...@yahoo.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; s...@pac.org.za;
mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mandlaye...@gmail.com; MOALOHANE SOLOMON NTSUSENG
Subject: Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

 

Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
Provincial Election Manager 

 

Izwe 

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[PAYCO] FORMER PASO-PASMA REUNION

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika, 

 

The Former PASO-PASMA REUNION went well and the robust debates and 
deliberations were highly constructive and forward looking! The Reunion started 
at 17:00. and ended around 22:15 at Streetwise Lodge and Conference Centre. The 
decisions and mandates taken will be communicated as per the discussions taken. 
And we shall proceed to execute the mandates and decisions. 

 

The following principles had been endorsed to form the basis of our political 
work and mandate:

 
<https://www.facebook.com/raymondnkrumah.kgagudi/posts/717771098246178?notif_t=like>
 https://www.facebook.com/images/spacer.gif

The purpose of the Re-Union has been agreed as it should:-

Firstly, Re-mobilise former PASO-PASMA comrades through a programme back into 
the party-PAC, 

 

Secondly we must convene a session to make an in-depth analysis and to 
deliberate on the state of the Azanian and African Revolution so as to create a 
common political theoretical understanding and state of mind; 

 

Thirdly we will furthermore reflect on the current state of the PAC including 
its component structures and adopt a party rectification strategy; 

 

Lastly it conceptualisation and construction/formulation of a Pan Africanist 
Programme guided by the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto to assume a socialist 
revolutionary path for the seizure of state political power -2019, thus 
re-orientate and place the PAC as a mass based revolutionary party;

 

Thanks to all forces who made financial contributions

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

From: Sam Ditshego [mailto:sditsh...@ymail.com] 
Sent: 20 March 2014 07:32 AM
To: Tommy Ntando; payco@googlegroups.com
Cc: kalidiekets...@yahoo.com; payco_aza...@yahoo.co.uk; 
0825164...@vodamail.co.za; ad...@pac.org.za; a...@joburg.org.za; 
aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; bambo.m...@yahoo.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; 
matsoba...@tiscali.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; 
drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; Gerald Lerobane; g...@bcawu.co.za; 
i...@payco.org.za; ishmea...@sasa.gov.za; jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 
sero...@hotmail.com; jmapla...@gmail.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 
digashu.ma...@gmail.com; laazi...@gmail.com; leag...@yahoo.com; 
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malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; matsoba...@tiscali.co.za; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; 
mmbar...@hotmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; Mpumelelo Rulumente; 
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Xaba; seun.lehlohonolo.lehlohon...@gmail.com; nrkgag...@gmail.com; 
smollzo...@gmail.com; snow.mokgalab...@gmail.com; 
tebogo.moal...@angloamerican.com; hlatshwayothe...@webmail.co.za; Tumediso 
Modise; Xola Tyamzashe; vemahla...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Buses to Sharperville -21 March

 

Has the PAC also adopted the berets style?

 

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:06 AM, Tommy Ntando  wrote:

Good evening Sons’ & Daughters’ I hope this info will clarify many questions 
regarding the Transport to Sharperville.

Kindly find herewith the attached contact list and pick up points or bus stop 
station(s) for your region. For more information and bus routes kindly liaise 
with your regional Chair or Secretary.

All branches, component structures, members and supporters of the PAC are 
expected to attend this history event. Lets all come out Ma`Afrika and paint 
Sharperville with our  party regalia (Black and  T-shirts and Black Berets), as 
we shall be commemorate the fallen heroes of our struggle, while at the same 
time we shall be Campaigning  & Galvanizing Sharperville community to Vote PAC  
on May 07th 

“ Land Redistribution for Socio-Economic Emancipation-Vote PAC”

Izwe 

Tommy ka-Ntando

Provincial Election Manager: PAC Gauteng

082 930 8735 

 

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[PAYCO] FORMER PASO-PASMA MEMBERS RE-UNION

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika, 

 

The Former PASO-PASMA REUNION went well and the robust debates and
deliberations were highly constructive and forward looking! The Reunion
started at 17:00. and ended around 22:15 at Streetwise Lodge and Conference
Centre. The decisions and mandates taken will be communicated as per the
discussions taken. And we shall proceed to execute the mandates and
decisions. 

 

The following principles had been endorsed to form the basis of our
political work and mandate:

 
<https://www.facebook.com/raymondnkrumah.kgagudi/posts/717771098246178?notif
_t=like> https://www.facebook.com/images/spacer.gif

The purpose of the Re-Union has been agreed as it should:-

Firstly, Re-mobilise former PASO-PASMA comrades through a programme back
into the party-PAC, 

 

Secondly we must convene a session to make an in-depth analysis and to
deliberate on the state of the Azanian and African Revolution so as to
create a common political theoretical understanding and state of mind; 

 

Thirdly we will furthermore reflect on the current state of the PAC
including its component structures and adopt a party rectification strategy;


 

Lastly it conceptualisation and construction/formulation of a Pan Africanist
Programme guided by the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto to assume a socialist
revolutionary path for the seizure of state political power -2019, thus
re-orientate and place the PAC as a mass based revolutionary party;

 

Thanks to all forces who made financial contributions

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 12 November 2013 11:27 AM
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Mekgwe'; 'Mbulelo Fihla'; 'Prince Dubu'; 'Ike Mafole'; 'Pinkie Monyane';
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Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana';
'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana'; 'Dumisani
Zwane'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 'Vusi8 .'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego';
ju-...@webmail.co.za; 'Lifu Nhlapo'; rakwe...@yahoo.com; 'Albert Mokoena';
apap...@webmail.co.za; a...@joburg.org.za; angwa...@webmail.co.za;
pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'Pule Maqekoane'; 'Letlapa Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri
Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com; 'Mpumelelo Rulumente'; 'Malesela Mogashwa';
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Subject: FORMER PASO-PASMA MEMBERS RE-UNION

 

Izwe lethu Sons and Daughters of the Soil

 

We invite FORMER PASO-PASMA MEMBERS to a RE-UNI

[PAYCO] FORGE UNITY AND SALVAGE THE PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

 

Kindly consider the following points as an intervention to salvage the PAC
and forge a workable solution for the PAC.

 

 

1.Both factions must first withdraw all courts and legal
actions. 

2.An urgent inclusive national meeting is essential to
concretise a national common approach and resources allocation mobilisation
and allocation.

3.Organise an inclusive national conference/meeting to setup
a representative National Task Team to include two provincial
representatives and representative component structures. 

4.The National Task Team should coordinate PAC elections
strategy and oversee PAC 2014 campaigning and that at national and
provincial level PAC approaches elections with one voice and united! 

5.Once branches are united and properly constituted, and PAC
members brought on board, then commence the proceed with Party Rectification
and Party Building Programme which should entail:-National wide political
workshops and Members Capacity Building & RE-Orientation convened from
branch level-regional level until provincial and national level. 

6.And the National Task Team should re- organize all
structures starting with branches until Provincial structures and do away
with parallelism.

7.The National Task Team should organize a national
conference within six months to deliberate on party policies and strategies
thus conclude a political programme for seizure of state political power

8.Organise a national congress within the next 12 months to
consider and adopt proposed party policies and strategies thus conclude a
political programme for seizure of state political power

9.And then convene elective congresses that must be elect
the NEC at National level and PEC and REC. 

10.   Once all Africanist are under the PAC banner - PAC will be
able to concentrate in its business to take power and transform this
country.

 

And then the entire party structures coherently act on to fulfil the
Historic Tasks as the Party, PAC branches and members should forge
principled unity and approach national elections as a single unified
organisation with a common purpose namely the historic tasks of the African
liberation movement are clearly the product of Africa's history, of the
forces and factors which have made it what it is. To obtain complete freedom
in Africa, the historic tasks of the movement are:  * To forge, foster and
consolidate the bonds of African nationhood  a Pan-African basis.  * To
implement effective the fundamental principal that the  dominion or
sovereignty over the domination or ownership  in the whole territory of the
continent rest exclusively and  indigenous people.  * to create and maintain
a United States of Africa that will serve  and provide and concrete
institutional form for the African nation.  * to establish an Africanist
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and  spiritual interests of the individual. 

 

 

Shango lashu

NKrumah

 

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[PAYCO] REDISCOVER THE HISTORIC TASK OF THE PARTY AND FORGE UNITY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Greetings

 

Using the Autoimmune Disorder analysis,  when applying this description to
the current political state in the party and among party members, it has
become evident that party members can no longer distinguish a Pan Africanist
who should be regarded as a comrade in struggle from agents of
neo-colonialism and imperialism. The amount of time, energy and resources
party members spent to counter organise each other, insult and humiliate
each other to the extent that, the PAC is facing total oblivion. 

 

And actually the level of energy mobilised for counter organisation among
party members far exceeds that directed toward the neo-colonial state,
capitalism and white supremacy. It is this same failure to tell a difference
of a comrade and an enemy that it is argued and confirms the view that the
party members failure to attack the real enemy but capable to place a
concerted effort to attack of fellow comrades has systematically weakened
the body PAC than neo-colonialism and imperialism and white supremacy. This
confirms that it is evident that members and leaders have lost political
focus and a sense of political direction, as to why PAC exists and what's
the purpose of the PAC. This occurrence are similar to the disorderly
functioning of immune system called the Autoimmune disorders.

 

To fulfil our Historic Tasks as the Party, PAC branches and members should
forge principled unity and approach national elections as a single unified
organisation with a common purpose namely the historic tasks of the African
liberation movement are clearly the product of Africa's history, of the
forces and factors which have made it what it is. To obtain complete freedom
in Africa, the historic tasks of the movement are:  * To forge, foster and
consolidate the bonds of African nationhood  a Pan-African basis.  * To
implement effective the fundamental principal that the  dominion or
sovereignty over the domination or ownership  in the whole territory of the
continent rest exclusively and  indigenous people.  * to create and maintain
a United States of Africa that will serve  and provide and concrete
institutional form for the African nation.  * to establish an Africanist
Socialist democratic social order, recognising the primacy of the vital
material, intellectual and  spiritual interests of the individual.

 

If the two warring NECs fail to put the interests of the PAC above their
subjective interests then PAC Branches and members should initiate and lead
the unification process and working together, thus approach the 2014
National Elections as a single unified party, raise the funds and register
the PAC from provinces and nationally.  

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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[PAYCO] FW: Is Marxism still relevant today? Book Launch Thursday 20 Feb: MARXISMS IN THE 21ST CENTURY

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades interested are encouraged to attend the open discussions/debate and 
book launch as per the e-mail below!

 

From: corina.vandersp...@wits.ac.za on behalf of Wits University Press 
[mailto:corina.vandersp...@wits.ac.za] 
Sent: 14 February 2014 02:35 PM
To: Raymond Kgagudi
Subject: Is Marxism still relevant today? Book Launch Thursday 20 Feb: MARXISMS 
IN THE 21ST CENTURY

 

   

Wits University Press cordially invites you to the launch of

MARXISMS IN THE 21ST CENTURY  
Crisis, Critique & Struggle
Editors: Michelle Williams & Vishwas Satgar

Dinga Sikwebu, the National Education Coordinator of the National Union of 
Metalworkers of South Africa (NUMSA), will be in conversation with Michelle 
Williams and Vishwas Satgar, editors of this book.

WHEN
Thursday 20 February, 17h30 to 20h00
WHERE
Graduate Seminar Room, South West Engineering Building 
 , East Campus, Wits University
RSVP
by 19 February to info.witspr...@wits.ac.za

Join our mailing list  
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If you cannot see the full text of this invitation, you can download it from 
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RE: [PAYCO] Good lesson

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu

 

Find the attached as per your requests. And your views are crucial, please
send your views-feedback as a PAC branch.

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mawethu Sidzamba
Sent: 11 February 2014 03:41 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Good lesson

 

All  I have to say about an orgy of mergers displayed by the two feuding PAC
factions is a SePedi dictum which goes " A pride of uncooperative lions will
fail to bring down a limping Buffalo!" There is nothing worth celebrating in
the PAC leadership which hastens to merge with other organisations while it
fails to coalesce with its own constituency.

 

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:51 PM, "jabumakha...@yahoo.com"
 wrote:


I'm expressing my appreciation to Mphethi following his announcement to co
operate with EEF during the forth-coming elections. One will recall that not
long ago, Mphethi criticized Malema of stealing PAC policies and fortunately
he was corrected and it  seems he has learnt a lesson.  l wish PAC members
can also master  scrutinizing unfolding events. Political-mergers may be
good but we have enough human-resource in this country which can enable the
PAC to face elections on its own without mergers. PAC leaders must cease to
be cowards, secondly, leaders must be in the forefront and go out to the
people articulating the PAC policies. The party can win the hearts of the
masses. 

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RE: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

enda or asking communists to drive a
capitalist agenda. 

We must claim our inheritance to be a total people. Africa's riches belong
to Africa's people. The control of our resources and land was the substance
and objective of Africa's liberation struggle. Africans cannot face the
onslaughts of imperialism without Pan Africanism because the imperialists
are determined to loot the riches of Africa for themselves, even using
violence or financing proxy wars in Africa to achieve their heinous
objectives. 

That beloved brother and son of Africa born in the Diaspora, Frantz Fanon
put the challenge to us very clearly when he said, "Each generation in its
relative nebulosity must discover its mission, and then fulfil it or betray
it." This 8th Pan African Congress is challenging us as this generation to
discover our mission for our African Continent, and then fulfil it, and not
betray it.

By Dr. Motsoko Pheko
 This speech was delivered on 15 January 2014 at the 8th Pan African
Congress in Johannesburg, 'South Africa' (Azania).

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Xola
Sent: 14 January 2014 06:57 PM
To: PAYCO
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress

Indeed ABK, Cde Kobe passed on yesterday...I was informed early this morning
by Doctor Masombuka this morning.  
Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress

@XGT can you or any other Force confirm the sad news doing rounds that u
France"Phokojoe" Kobe has passed on.

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jan 2014, at 18:29, "Xola"  wrote:

> Much appreciated sons and daughters of Africa Sent via my BlackBerry 
> from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" 
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:07:14
> To: 
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress
> 
> The venue is at Wits Research Hub and Langauge Lab on Empire Road just 
> opposite University of Witwatersrand Planetarium opposite the Wits FC 
> Soccer Stadium
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nkrumah
> -Original Message-
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> Of Xola
> Sent: 14 January 2014 03:12 PM
> To: PAYCO
> Subject: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress
> 
> Sons and daughters of Africa
> 
> Anyone with the exact venue (address/campus) of the above mentioned event?
> 
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> 
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RE: [PAYCO] 8th Pan African Congress

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

The venue is at Wits Research Hub and Langauge Lab on Empire Road just
opposite University of Witwatersrand Planetarium opposite the Wits FC Soccer
Stadium 


Regards

Nkrumah
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Sons and daughters of Africa

Anyone with the exact venue (address/campus) of the above mentioned event?

Regards

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RE: [PAYCO] 5th - 8th December/ 2013 Summer Political School

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Revolutionary greeting M'Afrika Keith

Your suggestion is highly appreciated and with limited resources we have, we
will do our utmost best to capture the event on video as per your noble
idea.

Open Palm Salute, Shango lashu! 

African Unity and Socialism In Our Lifetime!

Revolutionary regards

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi



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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] 5th - 8th December/ 2013 Summer Political School

Greetings Ma-Afrika this is a good initiative which I see it growing with
time. I want to suggest that how about your sessions be also be captured on
a video to reach many who won't be able to come but will be able to purchase
your video dvd! Yours in pursue of a socialist state

On 11/20/13, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:
> Greeting Sons and Daughters of Africa
>
>
>
> School for Pan Africanist Thought will be hosting the 2013 Summer 
> Political School on Pan Africanism, African Revolution and many other 
> related key ideological areas. We invite any interested Pan 
> Africanist, members and leaders interested to attend and should 
> complete the attached Registration Form. Participants who will require 
> accommodation should complete the attached form and deposit 
> accommodation plus meals contributions in the account number provided.
>
>
>
> Attached also find the Draft Programme of the 2013 Summer Political
School.
>
>
>
>
> We plan to host the same event next 2014, that is, a winter political 
> school around June or July and later a Summer Political School in 
> November or December.
>
>
>
> For any details please do not hesitate to contact either M'Afrika 
> Ntsie Mohloai - 073 236 4780 or M'Afrika Vusi Mahlangu - 072 5001455 
> or M'Afrika Dumisani Zwane - 072 078 7539
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
> 074 922 6361
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RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Dear M’Afrika Fikiswa 

 

Thanks for the clarification and again the energy of Tshwane Region is
highly commended. Basic party practice prescribes that after having
subjected a notion/proposal the democratic centralism as an organisational
approach of decision it can be deemed binding to party members and
structures as soon as the appropriate party constitutional structures/forums
resolves and ratifies the idea. 

Secondly, the draft Tshwane represent a fundamental policy and ideological
shift since it has a strong nationalist capitalist one will appreciate
clarification of the basic questions I raised, which are the following:-

 

• Land repossession with compensation and restitution to
resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist
political economic system ;

• Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only
viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of
poverty as the only viable and sustainable logic to realise national
self-determination ;

• Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge
and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational,
cultural and economic advancement of the African people;

• Free Socialist Education from primary until university
level

• African Unity thus creation of a common governance system
across the African Continent

 

The sooner these basic questions are clarified, such will assist further
deliberations. 

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fikiswa Ntshwanti
Sent: 15 November 2013 10:49 AM
To: payco
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

 

Dear MÁfrika Nkrumah

 

Thanks for taking time to read our draft manifesto(it's our draft , you
included as the member of the organisation) and raising valid points . The
aim of circulating it, is for every member of the organisation to give
suggestions on what they would like to see in it. Your feedback will be
highly appreciated.

 

Izwe lethu.

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 wrote:

M’Afrika Fekiswa

 

Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft
manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as:

 

·Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the
historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political
economic system ;

·Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form
to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty;

·Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and
skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural
and economic advancement of the African people;

·Free Education from primary until university level

·African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across
the African Continent 

 

I find it interesting that the word “GOD” appears at least four (4) times,
does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist
Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas?

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah   

 

 

 

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Fikiswa Ntshwanti
Sent: 14 November 2013 02:34 PM
To: payco
Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

 


Ma'Afrika

 

Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections.

 

Izwe lethu

 

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RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M'Afrika Fekiswa

 

Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft
manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as:

 

.Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the
historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political
economic system ;

.Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form
to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty;

.Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and
skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural
and economic advancement of the African people;

.Free Education from primary until university level

.African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across
the African Continent 

 

I find it interesting that the word "GOD" appears at least four (4) times,
does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist
Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas?

 

Shango lashu!

Nkrumah   

 

 

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fikiswa Ntshwanti
Sent: 14 November 2013 02:34 PM
To: payco
Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO

 


Ma'Afrika

 

Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections.

 

Izwe lethu

 

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RE: [PAYCO]

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

M’Afrika Sibeko

 

Currently PAC is kept in many people’s mind by the selfless and courageous acts 
of the its previous leaders dating as far as the era on Sobukwe, Pokella, and 
Mothopeng, the PAC is not in people’s mind on the basis of its current (today) 
mass based campaigns and party’s leadership capability on shaping public 
policies discourse. And this occurs chiefly as a consequence of a party and a 
leadership that suffers from public-phobia and also has serious 
ideological-political and organisational defects, this explains the deep seated 
nature of the problems confronting the PAC. 

 

Some made the claim that EFF speaks the PAC language, while we refuted this 
claim scientifically, however leaders and members who holds the view that EFF 
has stolen PAC policies and ideology exposes a serious ideological bankruptcy, 
but again this exposes also that the problems facing the party are deep rooted 
on the political theoretical nature and character of the party membership and 
leaders. It must be mentioned that the courage displayed by EFF inspires the 
masses, the same courage and determination has become extremely scarce in the 
party.

 

So the entire party political functional aspects based on a mass based 
programme has been negated making the party an empty shell, consequently 
rendering almost all structures without a structurally defined primary 
political purpose and role. 

 

Another defects it is how party structures are understood, for example, a 
constitutional branch deemed to be compliant implies that a branch with at 
“least 20 paid up members”. This description is inadequate since it focuses 
only on one organisational element of a branch which is at least 20 paid 
members constitute a branch. 

 

The PAC constitution has three parts for all structures starting with the 
congress/conferences-NEC-PEC-REC-BEC- Member, these three parts are:-

1. Political functions and Roles; 

2. Organisational Functions and roles; 

3. Key Components of structures example a branch is composed of members, 
BEC, Meetings, Branch Annual Meetings, BDC which describes and defines a 
branch. 

 

Each part has at least an estimated eight (8) – nine(9)elements. Our assessment 
in we analysed the usage of the concept “constitutional complain branches”, out 
of 28 element there has been compliance with only one (1) element thus making 
majority if not PAC branches to be 96.43% non-compliant or unconstitutional. In 
other words there are close to 26-27 elements that most branches fail and some 
branches had never complied with and this cuts across all PAC structures namely 
from branch-REC-PEC-NEC.

 

Effectively, PAC of today no longer functions within the constitution and 
disciplinary code of the party, if the constitution if the supreme law of the 
party and it is being disregarded this should explain the level not only of 
lawlessness but absence of political direction due to annual conferences and 
congresses serves as thee strategic platform to reflect and determine the 
party’s political thrust!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mduduzi Sibeko
Sent: 10 November 2013 09:16 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO]

 

Cde Nkrumah, Ndebele, Seroke

 

It is almost twenty years since we have been trying to resuscitate ourselves 
from the  ashes of rivalry and infighting. To retrospect, from our poor 
electoral showing of 1994, the PAC had always had an agenda of revamping 
leadership. It is unfortunate that the ideal leadership has not come forth,  
aggravating is the fact that from then, our electoral support has been 
dwindling from 5 members in parliament to 1. By and large, new kids on the 
block in the political spectrum in South Africa have always undercut our 
position and relevance. One writer in this platform reported that in Limpompo 
members of the PAC have joined the EFF. In Daveyton we are Launching a branch, 
and we have committed Africanists, but will we sustain this potential. The EFF 
has received an untold publicity in the media and elsewhere, and disgruntled 
people from the ANC have found it to be a viable political alternative. Can we 
survive or we are just relying on our liberation struggle heritage ?. which 
transition of leadership in PAC has taken place without scuffle from 1994.

 

Izwe Lethu

Mduduzi Sibeko

 

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[PAYCO] Letters from IEC to PAC

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Morning Comrades 


Sad, pathetic and disgusting as it may be, I think the entire PAC members
and leaders are paying the price based on the conduct of both the 11th May
and 18th May NEC groupings, the entire PAC is being made to pay a heavy
price for leaders and members using wrong and unprincipled methods to
resolve PAC internal problems. 

 

Who is the winner? Letlapa NEC Grouping or Narius NEC Grouping? Fact is PAC
has not gained anything but its losses are greater than can be imagined!

 

Both Letlapa's NEC grouping and Narius NEC groupings including supporters of
the two groupings are directly responsible for this mayhem in the PAC. We
have long cautioned and consistently discouraged PAC leaders and members not
to take sides, that is, not to side with Letlapa (President) against Narius
(Secretary General) nor side with Narius (Secretary General) against the
Letlapa (President) but adopt a merits based approach which should be
objectives and principled, our words fell into deaf hears. 

 

My honest assessment, you should equally take full responsibility for the
political  damage done and organisational erosion of the PAC, you can't
point fingers to Narius-Joko and others- your acts are indifferent.  

 

Today, including in the future we will simply say, "we have told you so, you
refused to heed the call and advices given", instead you opted to
marginalise and launched a smearing campaign against those who choose not to
support a divisive position, that is, rejection of what has become Letlapa's
factionalism which thrives on the basis of the support and the life you
breath into it, same applies to those supporting Narius-Mpethi decision
which has become a factionalist position which is equally politically
damaging and organisational eroding the PAC thus thrives on the support and
breath given by those linked to them. 

 

While we bit you well in your infighting, it should be drawn to your
attention that, the entire PAC nationally is politically and
organisationally stagnant, comrades should not be deceived and misled by
scattered-sporadic activities taking place such activities lacks the
required political leadership while some are organised to despise other
grouping, if national elections will be in April 2014, effective PAC has and
is left with less than 120 days (1st December 2013 until 31st March 2014) to
massively organise and mobilise the people/voters for national elections.  


We have resolved not to follow nor support any of the two warring NEC
grouping(s) including their supporters but we should focus ourselves in
activities that are forward looking and more constructive.

Shango lashu

NKrumah

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[PAYCO] RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Find attached Handbook of Revolutionary Warfare for your reading and
discussion in your respective branches. We encourage party members in every
branch to form Political Study and Work Groups composed of 5 - 10 comrades.
The Political Study and Work Group(s) are coordinated by the Branch
Organiser or a Branch Member (or BEC Member) assigned to coordinate the
branch's Political Work and Education. PSWG meet regularly commonly after
every two weeks to discuss, critique, and share political literature
including experiences drawn from the actual execution of party political
work. PSWG are founded on two key elements namely Revolutionary Theory and
Revolutionary Practice.

I hope this method will greatly assist in improving the quality and effect
of your party political work!

Arise Revolutionary Forces, Arise!

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

 

 

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Subject: RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU
BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

 

Izwe lethu

 

Where did the word Hippopotamus come from? origin of this word? Some say
this word describes the behaviour of this animal as it is submerged in the
water for according or in Zulu language bathi I-phuphutha manzi thus
becoming Hi-phuphuta-manzi, however a contrary view points to Greek
language, the Greek words hippos meaning "horse" and potamos meaning "river"
or "rushing water." 

The Hippopotamus is a large semi-aquatic mammal that is found wallowing in
the rivers and lakes across sub-Saharan Africa. So this animal called
Hippopotamus is only found in Africa, how do the Greeks end up having a name
for an animal that does not exist in their country and continent? The Nguni
or Zulu descriptive word make sense for Zulu speaking Africans interact with
this animals at the rivers and natural dams just like many Africans across
the continent, however should we be that simplistic by accepting the
I-phuphutha- manzi notion?

I think the need of African Anthropologist to explain these questionable
social areas and organic development of African society prior colonialism is
necessary, since it is proven that Bureaucracy "originate" from China and
other Asian countries, then was exported to Europe, and then through
colonialism European capitalist adapted it to serve European Capitalist
expansion interest as they sought new markets thus took bureaucracy to other
parts of the world does not originate from Europe! African scholars must
begin to provide scientific account about primeval Africa and African
languages including Empires and States such as Zanj and Timbuktu! 

How African st

RE: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Izwe Lethu Cde Frazer

 

The sooner we realise and accept the PAC is divided and has serious problems 
which effectively undermines smooth function and operations of the PAC the 
better. And resolution of PAC Problems can and will only be resolved by PAC 
branches and members, objective and matured and selfless leadership approach is 
essential. 

 

It self-contradictory, to demand that PAC structures to focus and plan for 2014 
national neo-colonial bourgeoisie election when divisions occurring in the NEC 
are furthermore cascaded to lower party structures consequently there are 
parallel structures almost the entire country such as two APLAMVA’s and two 
PAYCOs etc, while there is a high court case seemingly you subject PAC Branches 
and Members to await the outcomes.  Collective-Self-Deception and harbouring of 
illusions id dangerous, and tends to lead to self-destruction.

 

 

No court will resolve PAC political problems, any High Court Judge does not 
rule on inner political issues.

 

Shango lashu

 

Nkrumah

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

 

Izwe Lethu Ma Afrika

We all need to back and re-study Pan Africanism and the ideology of the PAC and 
for what we stand for and we fought for the liberation.

Ma Afrika let us not loose focus in the coming elections. Once all us failed to 
give leadership this Organisation. I am seek and tired when I open my mails 
that we accuse and threaten our own PAC members and we all forget who is the 
enemy.

Let us not always speak of Letlapa as President when we all no there is a court 
case on the matter. PAC is not owned by anyone let us not loose focus.

Let us approach discussion on philosophical understanding. My apology is that 
people who did not study political science always falls in criticising others. 
Tomorrow if Letlapa wakes up and say I resign you will be still saying Letlapa 
for President. The history of this Organization is rich and I being noting that 
there are who joined the PAC for wrong reasons. If people don't response we you 
ar e expecting to do so that not possible Mo Africa the reason people respond 
depends on the interest of the topic.

 I hope people who participate in the PAC discussion need to be clear and 
relevant don't speak for any one including the President as if the president is 
immortal. No Press can destroy us And Press can Build

Izwe Lethu





























On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:05:54 +0200 Tongogara Ndima  
wrote

Comrade Nkrumah

 

The angle you brought is interesting, it is true that some or most PAC NEC 
members are hiding themselves by posing as supporting or being against Cde 
President Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde GS Moloto. I thought we will hear NEC 
members speaking with one voice as a united PAC but we are not seeing this, 
maybe these comrades think they are fooling all of us, where is Cde Justice 
Mvakali, Cde Mohlomphegi and Cde Nofuma, these comrades used to travel all over 
the country mobilising members and branches a

Re: [PAYCO] Unveiling ceremony: Mawande Jack - 9 November 2013

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrade Mpuka

Thanks for the information and positive words.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagud
On 23 Oct 2013 00:02, "Mpuka Radinku"  wrote:

> Comrades
>
> ** **
>
> I have just been made aware by MoAfrika Tsietsi Molebatsi that the family
> of *Mawande Jack* in Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, intends to erect and unveil
> a tombstone in his memory on 9 November 2013. The support of those comrades
> who will be able to attend is highly appreciated. Maybe, maybe, events such
> as this unveiling should make us pause and rededicate ourselves to the
> genuine cause of Pan-Africanism. Not the reactionary power struggles that
> are currently demobilizing the masses and damaging the image of this
> glorious ship of freedom called the PAC. Never have I thought we would
> witness such brazen acts of reactionary conduct as we are now forced to
> endure. However, as a die-hard PAC member, I know that the Party is
> resilient and progressive forces within will always come out victorious to
> set the Party back on track. Revolutionaries are forever optimistic even in
> the darkest hour when contradictions seem to momentarily tilt the balance
> of power on the side of the worst among us – that is, those whose major
> objective is to pursue personal interests at whatever costs. 
>
> ** **
>
> Izwe lethu!
>
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>
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[PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Cde Mohlomphegi,

Evidently you misconstrued what I wrote, nonetheless it matters less what one 
prefers to call it, the bottom line is, we are less impressed about the extent 
of political and organisational destruction of PAC under your leadership as a 
consequence of an NEC that is divided along pro-Moloto-Mpethi Grouping of the 
11th May "NEC Meeting" and the Pro-Mphahlele Grouping of the 18th May "NEC 
Meeting", each group representing part of the July 2012 National Congress 
elected NEC. Son of the soil, the earlier you realise that amidst whatever good 
intentions some comrades might have had, unfortunately wrong methods had been 
applied to resolve problems therefore those wrong methods (unconstitutional) 
have yielded wrong and destructive results. Comrades should grow tired of 
absence of progress in the PAC and the continuing and persisting political and 
organisational degeneration.

 PAC branches and members d eager of a growing PAC should start boycotting any 
event organised by any of the two NEC’ grouping for association with any 
amounts to an endorsement thus perpetuation of divisions and factionalism, 
simply put both Two NEC Groupings must be denounced by PAC branches and 
members. PAC branches must only respect and attend events organised by an 
inclusive 2012 July National Congress elected NEC.
Swallow, you pride comrades and consider the following:-

1.  Organise a special national conference in terms of the Clause 5.4 or 
5.5 for the entire NEC to report and account to the conference as required by 
the PAC Constitution 
2.  PAC National Conference should decide the direction that must be taken 
and to resolve the unfolding problems which do not only divide PAC members but 
has turned fellow PAC members to treat each other as if they are enemies due to 
the conduct of this NEC which in the eyes of many members is divisive and 
undermines any meaningful unity with common purpose
3.  And the entire PAC NEC as elected at the Butterworth National Congress 
in July 2012  should just subject yourselves to an inclusive national 
conference where PAC members and branches will decide,
4.  Both two NEC Groupings should explain to party members in a conference 
the political and organisational events since July 2012 Butterworth Congress 
till to date,
5.  Both Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto as July 2012 
Butterworth Congress elected President and Secretary General to explain 
themselves to delegates and will then become the final arbiters.
6.  No PAC member(s) and No PAC Councillors should be expelled or suspended 
by holding a contrary view to that of this current divided NEC
7.  All members should accept and subject themselves to the special 
national conference resolutions and outcomes 
8.  The special national conference should also consider short-term linked 
to long term  ideas and strategies to re-build and re-organise PAC

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
074 922 6361

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[PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

Comrades

Some of us wonder as to for how long will this infighting continue? Social 
networks you speak peace and unity for PAC, but your actions towards each other 
is as such that you treat each other with vile as enemies. The earlier you wake 
and realise that sice May until to date more damage has been caused across the 
entire PAC. This blame game must come to an end, we are surely less impressed 
by your conduct, actually the amount of damaged caused, divisions sown and pain 
inflicted among PAC members and structures to date under your collective 
leadership has never been seen in our lifetime. 

The earlier you realise that PAC is operating without a constitutional and 
functional National Executive Council the better, it seems you are now smelling 
coffee. None of you can claim to legitimately represent NEC because both 11th 
and 18th May 2013 meetings divided PAC NEC.

Some of you have sufficiently blamed Cde Letlapa Mphahlele while others have 
blame Cde Narius Moloto for all the current conditions of PAC, actually you are 
hiding yourselves behind these two comrades, the sooner PAC branches and 
members see through all you and start to denounce for your deceit maybe this 
will assist. Two people cannot be wholly liable for the destruction of PAC, you 
are collaborators and shareholders in this destruction of PAC.  A polictail 
case been made against Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto, now the 
remainder NEC members should take full responsibility and accountability for 
the political  destruction taking place in PAC.

The image of PAC publicly is damaged and as PAC we have become a laughing stock 
or should I say a mocker. 2014 national elections poor performance of PAC will 
you take full responsibility.  Its illogical to claim that you are rescuing PAC 
from harm whilst you suffocate and inflict the very same PAC. M'Afrika, you 
have done enough damage, its enough you have proven your point. PAC branches 
and members deserves a state of sanity, PAC members are sick and tired about 
all this amorphous mess, Kwanele majoni-it's enough, what else are you proving? 
Because through your collective acts PAC is organisationally and politically is 
lifeless as matters stand, it must be revived, you are just finishing the 
remaining parts and semblance of PAC. Kwanele M'Afrika.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 

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Subject: RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

WE ARE TAKING PAC NOWHERE. LETLAPA IS A FACTOR HERE AND AS HONEST REVOLUTIONARY 
CADRES WE MUST JUST ADVICE HIM TO ACCEPT HIS FATE SO THAT THE PAC CAN MOVE 
FORWARD. AS FOR OTHER THINGS WE WILL FIX INTERNALLY. MY TAKE IS WE SHOULD BOW 
DOWN AND REQUEST A UNITY MEETING SO THAT WE START ENGAGEMETS ON A FORMAL LEVEL 
TO NORMALISE PAC. AS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT HE MUST LODGE AN APPEAL TO THE 
NEC. 

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From: Apa Pooe [mailto:apap.