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[PAYCO] NACTU PRESIDENT CONSTITUTIONAL STANDING// WEEKEND MEETING

2017-10-09 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Fellow comrades

As ordinary workers serving as members of NACTU trade unions we find
ourselves dragged in meetings and caucuses which we believe undermines our
trade unions and federation -NACTU Constitution. During the past weekend we
received sms's from Cde Maqhekeni encouraging trade unions affiliated to
NACTU to write and send letters that support him to continue as the
President of NACTU. We believe Cde Maqhekeni must be uphold and respect
NACTU trade union, and become an examplary leader.

This is how we understand the situation, Cde Maqhekeni can continue as
NACTU President if, he remains a paid member of SACWU; 2. He remains a
shopsteward of SACWU; But, it is common knowledge that Cde Maqhekeni has
reached retirement age and has taken pension, this implies he no longer a
qualiified SACWU member and he has been or to be replaced as a
shopstwward  he cannot serve as a President of NACTU. And standard
practices is only trade union officials can be elected to serve as Secrtary
Generals of the trade unions and/or NACTU, Cde Maqhekeni does not qualify
to be elected and serve as NACTU Secretary General, we believe deep in his
heart and conscience the comrade (Maqhekeni) knows this very well.

COSATU is falling apart because of national office bearers who serves their
own interests and have forgotten about suffering black workers, NACTU
should not make the same mistake. As workers we appeal with Cde Mahqekeni
not to throw our trade unions federation into a crisis.

As workers we are grateful of years Cde Maqhekeni served as NACTU President
and we wish well.

NACTU requires new young blood of leadership which will bring new ideas and
methods to fight capitalist exploitation at workplaces such as higher
retrenchments, labour brokers, reject minimum wage of NEDLAC. As NACTU we
must become active in outsourcing must fall campaigns and fees must fall
campaigns etc.

Mayibuye-Izwe Lethu, Amandla

T Ndima (shopsteward)

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Re: [PAYCO] PAC National Conference, Bloemfontein

2014-09-28 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Moaforika Vusie

You are correct on one issue, as PAC members we need a unifying inclusive
conference, not this political gimmicks. In less than three years PAC had
three Presidents and three Deputy Presidents as follows:

2012 July Butterworth Congress: Cde Letlapa Mphahlele elected as President
with Cde Alton Mpethi as Deputy President; within 12 months after the 2012
July national congress
2013 August Bitchwood Conference: Cde Alton Mpethi is confirmed as Presient
with Cde Mike Muendane as Deputy President; again within 12 months after
the 2013 August national conference
2014 September Bloemfontein Conference: Cde Luthando Mpinda is confirmed as
President with Cde Sbusiso Xaba as Deputy President; what next within 12
months after the 2014 September conference?

PAC has become a national mockery, but also PAC is falling apart with many
PAC members withdrawing from active party participation and programmes. As
we speak the PAC no longer exist in Free State, Northwest province,
Mpumalanga, Northern Cape and party exists in Kwa-Zulu Natal! PAC used to
have structures and branches in these province before the QwaQwa National
Congress, but ever since then-until today we see it happening before our
very own eyes - PAC is dying silently.

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, vusie  wrote:

>
> Don't be surprised to see most of those who are at forefront calling
> inclusive National Conference/Congress in December and confusing genuine
> Africanist not to attend PAC National Conference in Boemfontein being part
> of the same conference, it sad because we were mislead and denied
> opportunity to attend PAC National Confrencee
>
> Find attached photo
>
>
> Vusie Makhathini, 0826754796
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Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Tongogara Ndima

yanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za;
> po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com;
> vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
>
>
>
> Cde. Ndima
>
>
>
> You are spot except that you need to mention that Cde. Ndade and others
> had a task team which was working with the head office to prepare the
> regional. They handed their audited report the late Cde Wandi and Joko
> indicating the status of the branches. The people who actually presided
> over that conference were Cde, Bennet Joko, Wandi and Tebogo Rakoma. They
> lost in a congress organised by them(Ndade and Company), Moloto, Joko and
> Wandi after Cdes Abel, Busang and Apa warned the SG that in the Vaal is as
> easy he may think.
>
>
>
> Since that time Cde. Narius in particular never liked us and hence after
> he instructed us that we should go on a joint commemoration for Sharpeville
> Day it surprisingly became our thing. It was after that incident that I
> gave up on him and at least I told him. I was never in my life felt so
> betrayed by a leader at the level of an SG.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:36 PM, Tongogara Ndima <
> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Comrade Ndade
>
>
>
> Your gripe is about councillor's seat hence you formed a parallel REC
> hoping to topple the other REC and find a way to become a councillor! We
> know, and ou have raised this several times in Sharpeville that Narius
> Moloto has being lobbying you and making offers. If Sedibeng Region had
> more councillor's seats, there would'not be parallel RECs in Vaal as it is
> the case today. Cde Ndade, for once be honest with us, you lost the
> regional leadership contest in a constitutional congress officiated by Cde
> Moloto and Cde Joko. But for group - factional interest you exploited
> divisions within the NEC, namely the Letlapa-Moloto conflcit by siding with
> Cde Moloto to find justification to form your REC which supports Moloto NEC
> grouping. The Anti-Mpethi Decree is just a smoke screen! Vaal regions used
> to be better organised and strong, not its weak and divided!
>
>
>
> Comrades, want money and positions-prestige, zi-politicki se parliament
> privileges!
>
>
>
> Izwe lethu
>
> Ndima
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:20 PM, 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist
> Youth Congress  wrote:
>
> Cde. Ndade
>
>
>
> Before I go anywhere with your points let me make you aware of one thing
> that this subject does not involve you as Ndade as Sedibeng Regional
> Chairperson as you identified yourself so. I am talking of what happened on
> the court and what is recorded in the IEC whether it satisfy you or not. So
> for you maybe because to be called Sedibeng Regional Chairperson is
> something special to your heart which I wont contest because it does not
> fit into the debates here rest assure your tittle is secured.
>
>
>
> Just park the debate around Kantso for another day and you can raise it at
> Sedibeng and hope you will find joy there. Back to comrade Masoga. I think
> cde Masoga if you want to organise a proper caucus just have decency to
> speak to comrades and invite them properly and surely they will engage you
> with respect and explain yourself of what you hope to achieve. Then from
> there you can rightly point fingers to people who may sound discrediting
> your initiatives.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:25 PM, Ndade Mxunya 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sons and Daughters of the soil
>
>
>
> Very interesting arguments: regarding PAC conference of September or
> December 2014 and the state of the PAC in general. attacking each others
> opinions or views MaAfrika it is very interesting to read. but first let us
> ask ourselves who is PAC? it is Mr Mphahlele, Mr Mphethi, Mr Moloto or NEC.
> why this question because most of you the arguments you alluded to, you
> defended a person than the organization or justifying wrongs done by the
> individuals instant of talking about the constitution of the PAC because
> all answers to the problem are there. 1, some of you the likes of Mr Kantso
> wanted us to accept that degree is the correct clause in the constitution,
> moreover we said Mr Mphahlele run and manage the party for 3 years under
> degree and the party did not make any impact to S.A politics its
> administration were dead no membership cards issued to new and old members.
> it is safe to say we were just PAC by name no political activism among
> members let alone community participation, no establishment of branches
> which even today we still have that challenge as

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-11 Thread Tongogara Ndima

to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more
> divided. To defeat factionalism and divisions, It is my strongest believe
> that PAC branches and members must achieve principled unity.
>
>
>
> And those former PAC members who left PAC to form PAM must return to the
> PAC, those PAC members who were suspended should also return to the PAC; We
> must jointly and equally wage the struggle to reclaim-and –to- place PAC on
> a revolutionary socialist path on a Pan African Scope to overthrow
> capitalism and white supremacy.
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
> 074 922 6361
>
> *From:* Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* 10 September 2014 03:28 PM
> *To:* payco@googlegroups.com
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> sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; mrfihla08; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za;
> Admin @ Pac; wgaj...@gmail.com; eddie mfulwane; richardma...@yahoo.com;
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> Phumzile Nomnga; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba;
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> vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
>
>
>
> Cde. Ndima
>
>
>
> You are spot except that you need to mention that Cde. Ndade and others
> had a task team which was working with the head office to prepare the
> regional. They handed their audited report the late Cde Wandi and Joko
> indicating the status of the branches. The people who actually presided
> over that conference were Cde, Bennet Joko, Wandi and Tebogo Rakoma. They
> lost in a congress organised by them(Ndade and Company), Moloto, Joko and
> Wandi after Cdes Abel, Busang and Apa warned the SG that in the Vaal is as
> easy he may think.
>
>
>
> Since that time Cde. Narius in particular never liked us and hence after
> he instructed us that we should go on a joint commemoration for Sharpeville
> Day it surprisingly became our thing. It was after that incident that I
> gave up on him and at least I told him. I was never in my life felt so
> betrayed by a leader at the level of an SG.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:36 PM, Tongogara Ndima <
> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Comrade Ndade
>
>
>
> Your gripe is about councillor's seat hence you formed a parallel REC
> hoping to topple the other REC and find a way to become a councillor! We
> know, and ou have raised this several times in Sharpeville that Narius
> Moloto has being lobbying you and making offers. If Sedibeng Region had
> more councillor's seats, there would'not be parallel RECs in Vaal as it is
> the case today. Cde Ndade, for once be honest with us, you lost the
> regional leadership contest in a constitutional congress officiated by Cde
> Moloto and Cde Joko. But for group - factional interest you exploited
> divisions within the NEC, namely the Letlapa-Moloto conflcit by siding with
> Cde Moloto to find justification to form your REC which supports Moloto NEC
> grouping. The Anti-Mpethi Decree is just a smoke screen! Vaal regions used
> to be better organised and strong, not its weak and divided!
>
>
>
> Comrades, want money and positions-prestige, zi-politicki se parliament
> privileges!
>
>
>
> Izwe lethu
>
> Ndima
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:20 PM, 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist
> Youth Congress  wrote:
>
> Cde. Ndade
>
>
>
> Before I go anywhere with your points let me make you aware of one thing
> that this subject does not involve you as Ndade as Sedibeng Regional
> Chairperson as you identified

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-10 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu Moaforika Xaba

And second question, why do not you start putting your efforts to unite PAC
branches and members in Gauteng first!


PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders of
this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we go
to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided. And
what's your thought and advice to us on this issue?


Ndima

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Sbusiso Xaba 
wrote:

> I am not a spokesperson of Moloto NEC Grouping. I am not familiar with
> composition of Moloto NEC Grouping. So I am not privy to the information
> that you are seeking from me.
>
> One thing I know is that my obsessions (the decree) cannot stay in the
> books of the PAC; with all its Secucratic tendencies that only magnify
> centralism in the concept of Democratic Centralism. Democratic Centralism
> remains the best sponsorship model for a revolutionary party; which is
> fueled by ideas. It is effective in screening ideas. It can never be
> associated with dictatorship and individualism fueled by personal cults
> manifesting themselves in the Party.
>
> What I know is that I lobby for strengthening of internal democracy (not
> limited to merely voting) and the creation of mechanism to search for true
> desires of the Party members.
>
> If that succeed in next conference then superb. If our views do not win
> the day; we will be back in the next conference with a refined argument.
>
> I hope we will then move to the issues (ideas) instead of sticking to this
> personality issues like the Moloto NEC Groupings or Dlamini NEC Groups etc.
>
> Izwe lethu;
> On Sep 10, 2014 12:25 PM, "Tongogara Ndima" 
> wrote:
>
>> Comrade Xaba
>>
>> We request that, may you then share with us, how will the 2014 Moloto NEC
>> Grouping Bloemfontein Conference resolves the infighting and parallel
>> structures in the PAC? Because the 2013 Birchwood National Conference has
>> totally failed to unite and start with party re-building programme!
>>
>> And second question, why do not you start putting your efforts to unite
>> PAC branches and members in Gauteng first! Cde Muendane used the words of
>> PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders
>> of this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we
>> go to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided.
>>
>> As soon as Ama-Aforika receive your reply, then I believe they will
>> repsonce to your views to persuade you and Tshwane Branches.
>>
>> Izwe lethu!
>> Sdima
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Sbusiso Xaba 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing has blinded me, including what you call my presidential
>>> ambition.
>>>
>>> I am still going (if delegated) or will be represented by my branch
>>> delegate to the Annual National Conference called by NEC. We will not be
>>> prevented by any decree. Those that think that we must not attend Annual
>>> Conference, should make the effort and convince us.
>>>
>>> We are going to conference not blinded but extremely clear about our
>>> recommendations to conference. We hope to persuade and convince other
>>> branches on the removal of the decree, transparency in decision making,
>>> clarity in roles and on public officers.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sbusiso Xaba
>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:09 AM, "Tongogara Ndima" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comrade Xaba
>>>>
>>>> We have not seen any form of you being harassed, I ask you is basic and
>>>> straight forward question. Your Presidential ambitions has blurred your
>>>> judgement, nonetheless good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ndima
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Sbusiso Xaba 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is nice to hide behind high emotional  loaded language. Especially,
>>>>> when wanting to blackmail or intimidate. I will entertain neither 
>>>>> emotional
>>>>> blackmail nor attempted intimidation. We are not much interested in
>>>>> personality cults either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are these many branches, You're talking about, Ndima? Branches
>>>>> that only told you? Why those branches have not attempted to persuade
>>>>> Tshwane and branches in Tshwane (no matter the number )? Engage us
>>>>> structural. those who have engage us found us persu

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-10 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Ndade

Your gripe is about councillor's seat hence you formed a parallel REC
hoping to topple the other REC and find a way to become a councillor! We
know, and ou have raised this several times in Sharpeville that Narius
Moloto has being lobbying you and making offers. If Sedibeng Region had
more councillor's seats, there would'not be parallel RECs in Vaal as it is
the case today. Cde Ndade, for once be honest with us, you lost the
regional leadership contest in a constitutional congress officiated by Cde
Moloto and Cde Joko. But for group - factional interest you exploited
divisions within the NEC, namely the Letlapa-Moloto conflcit by siding with
Cde Moloto to find justification to form your REC which supports Moloto NEC
grouping. The Anti-Mpethi Decree is just a smoke screen! Vaal regions used
to be better organised and strong, not its weak and divided!

Comrades, want money and positions-prestige, zi-politicki se parliament
privileges!

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:20 PM, 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth
Congress  wrote:

> Cde. Ndade
>
> Before I go anywhere with your points let me make you aware of one thing
> that this subject does not involve you as Ndade as Sedibeng Regional
> Chairperson as you identified yourself so. I am talking of what happened on
> the court and what is recorded in the IEC whether it satisfy you or not. So
> for you maybe because to be called Sedibeng Regional Chairperson is
> something special to your heart which I wont contest because it does not
> fit into the debates here rest assure your tittle is secured.
>
> Just park the debate around Kantso for another day and you can raise it at
> Sedibeng and hope you will find joy there. Back to comrade Masoga. I think
> cde Masoga if you want to organise a proper caucus just have decency to
> speak to comrades and invite them properly and surely they will engage you
> with respect and explain yourself of what you hope to achieve. Then from
> there you can rightly point fingers to people who may sound discrediting
> your initiatives.
>
>
>   On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:25 PM, Ndade Mxunya 
> wrote:
>
>
> Sons and Daughters of the soil
>
> Very interesting arguments: regarding PAC conference of September or
> December 2014 and the state of the PAC in general. attacking each others
> opinions or views MaAfrika it is very interesting to read. but first let us
> ask ourselves who is PAC? it is Mr Mphahlele, Mr Mphethi, Mr Moloto or NEC.
> why this question because most of you the arguments you alluded to, you
> defended a person than the organization or justifying wrongs done by the
> individuals instant of talking about the constitution of the PAC because
> all answers to the problem are there. 1, some of you the likes of Mr Kantso
> wanted us to accept that degree is the correct clause in the constitution,
> moreover we said Mr Mphahlele run and manage the party for 3 years under
> degree and the party did not make any impact to S.A politics its
> administration were dead no membership cards issued to new and old members.
> it is safe to say we were just PAC by name no political activism among
> members let alone community participation, no establishment of branches
> which even today we still have that challenge as the party. I agree with
> you all we all LOVE PAC and we all want to defend PAC THE QUESTION IS from
> who to its members or foreign intelligent  agencies or infiltration made by
> internal political parties in the country or those who just want to
> benefit/milk the PAC from its little resource that the party get from
> either National Parliament or Councillorship from metros or local
> government sits. MaAfrika are we defending this party from who? and may
> anyone tell me how are we going to see if somebody his/her actions is to
> implement what i mentioned above.  i AGREE with Cde Smallzondo, Raymond,
> Kutie and Cde Fihla if all we love this party let us meet under one roof,
> and start mentioning people by names also shame their actions if those
> actions violate the PAC constitution. to me some of you just makes
> arguments that have no solution or way forward to solve this problems, note
> we belong to branches we are PAC we pay our subscriptions trying to launch
> branches under difficult conditions, mobilized people to join PAC which we
> are asked by the masses what are we doing as PAC u just fight among yo
> selves for one sit in the National parliament. so gentleman some of you
> think that somebody is paying for our membership but let me tell you we are
> trying to build this party to do things for our selves, which some of the
> people who makes arguments in this network don't even have branches but
> they wanted to be listen to. Mr Mphethi said he wont role this party by
> degree unfortunately today he is telling as the party is under degree we
> want to take him to task whether he saying December disrespecting other NEC
> members we are saying he must not be a coward

Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-09 Thread Tongogara Ndima

ong
>> as the people can fill the attendance register that will go in court papers
>> for the November appeal. In short it will be all those who will attend such
>> a conference no matter how small who will be carrying the crusade high not
>> the SG. So let them close their ears and eyes and attend what is theirs and
>> we continue to explore stabilising the party beyond the jamboree!
>>
>> IZWE LETHU!
>>
>>
>>   On Monday, September 8, 2014 3:02 PM, Tongogara Ndima <
>> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Comrade Sbusiso Xaba
>>
>> Does this mean, you insist those few branches in Tshwane Region are going
>> ahead to attend Moloto (Less than Five) NEC Members grouping Bloemfontein
>> September Conference. When your peers in the PAC are raising the notion
>> that PAC cannot afford parallel and conflicting events which fuels
>> feuding and weakens the PAC? Are you arrogantly saying to all of us PAC
>> Branches and Members who want a united and focused PAC we are insane?
>>
>> It was not long that Comrade Linda Ndebele wrote the following:- Allow
>> me to quote Lembede comrades for motivation purposes
>> " The philosophy of action must be the corner-stone of our policyIn
>> our ranks we have men and women of high talent and ability. Our poor,
>> disorderly position is not accasioned by lack of talent, but (a) by lack of
>> scientific organisation and utilisation of that talent, (b) by lack of
>> will-power. Africans! Our salvation lies in hard and systematic work!"
>> Anton Lembede writing on Umthetheleli wa Bantu.
>>
>> What are you going to loose if Tshwane Region joins many other branches
>> and members who will not be attending the Moloto (Less than Five) NEC
>> Members grouping Bloemfontein September Conference?
>>
>> It is high time we must put the interests of PAC above our personal
>> interests, Ma-aforika!
>>
>> Izwe-lethu
>> Ndima
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:07 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Comrades
>>
>> Removal of Clause 14 (Democratic Centtralism) is suicidal. This is clause
>> encompasses democratic centralism and collective leadership intended to
>> uproot factionalism and ensure unity and cohesion. Its violation does not
>> warrant its removal from Disciplinary Code.
>>
>> Comrades should remember annual confereces do not adopt amendments but
>> make recommendations to the supreme organ (highest decision making) of the
>> Party - the National Congress- for adoption.  Failing which, such
>> amendments are unconstitutional, invalid and illegal
>>
>> Izwe Lethu!
>>
>> Sent from my Nokia phone
>>
>> --Original message--
>> From: Sbusiso Xaba 
>> To: 
>> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55:50 PM GMT+0200
>> Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Submission of Resolutions for the National
>> Conference
>>
>> Tshwane lobbies your support. In the coming conference.
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Sbusiso Xaba" 
>> Date: Aug 4, 2014 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference
>> To: "Narius Moloto" , "DSG @ PAC" 
>> Cc: "Admin @ Pac" , "Tumediso Modise" <
>> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, "mashao reuben" ,
>> "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, "Albert Mokoena" <
>> mokoen...@workmail.co.za>
>>
>> Dear Secretary General
>>
>> In response to the updated conference notice dated 01 August 2014, the
>> Tshwane Region hereby submit the proposed resolution for the Annual
>> National Conference of 26 - 28 September 2014.  The region submits two
>> discussion documents (proposed resolutions) namely *Delegation of
>> Authority
>> Code* and* Public Office Secondment Code*. The region believes that the
>> lack of regulations around this area is main source of conflict.
>>
>> Furthermore, the Tshwane Region hereby adds an agenda point:* removal of
>> democratic centralism section (clause 14) of the disciplinary code*. The
>> region believes that this clause can be replaced be a new code such as the
>> delegation of authority code.
>>
>> Revolutionary regards,
>>
>> Sbusiso Xaba
>> Tshwane Regional Chairman
>>
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Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference

2014-09-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Sbusiso Xaba

Does this mean, you insist those few branches in Tshwane Region are going
ahead to attend Moloto (Less than Five) NEC Members grouping Bloemfontein
September Conference. When your peers in the PAC are raising the notion
that PAC cannot afford parallel and conflicting events which fuels
feuding and weakens the PAC? Are you arrogantly saying to all of us PAC
Branches and Members who want a united and focused PAC we are insane?

It was not long that Comrade Linda Ndebele wrote the following:- Allow me
to quote Lembede comrades for motivation purposes
" The philosophy of action must be the corner-stone of our policyIn our
ranks we have men and women of high talent and ability. Our poor,
disorderly position is not accasioned by lack of talent, but (a) by lack of
scientific organisation and utilisation of that talent, (b) by lack of
will-power. Africans! Our salvation lies in hard and systematic work!"
Anton Lembede writing on Umthetheleli wa Bantu.

What are you going to loose if Tshwane Region joins many other branches and
members who will not be attending the Moloto (Less than Five) NEC Members
grouping Bloemfontein September Conference?

It is high time we must put the interests of PAC above our personal
interests, Ma-aforika!

Izwe-lethu
Ndima

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:07 AM,  wrote:

> Comrades
>
> Removal of Clause 14 (Democratic Centtralism) is suicidal. This is clause
> encompasses democratic centralism and collective leadership intended to
> uproot factionalism and ensure unity and cohesion. Its violation does not
> warrant its removal from Disciplinary Code.
>
> Comrades should remember annual confereces do not adopt amendments but
> make recommendations to the supreme organ (highest decision making) of the
> Party - the National Congress- for adoption.  Failing which, such
> amendments are unconstitutional, invalid and illegal
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> Sent from my Nokia phone
>
> --Original message--
> From: Sbusiso Xaba 
> To: 
> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55:50 PM GMT+0200
> Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference
>
> Tshwane lobbies your support. In the coming conference.
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Sbusiso Xaba" 
> Date: Aug 4, 2014 10:10 PM
> Subject: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference
> To: "Narius Moloto" , "DSG @ PAC" 
> Cc: "Admin @ Pac" , "Tumediso Modise" <
> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, "mashao reuben" ,
> "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, "Albert Mokoena" <
> mokoen...@workmail.co.za>
>
> Dear Secretary General
>
> In response to the updated conference notice dated 01 August 2014, the
> Tshwane Region hereby submit the proposed resolution for the Annual
> National Conference of 26 - 28 September 2014.  The region submits two
> discussion documents (proposed resolutions) namely *Delegation of Authority
> Code* and* Public Office Secondment Code*. The region believes that the
> lack of regulations around this area is main source of conflict.
>
> Furthermore, the Tshwane Region hereby adds an agenda point:* removal of
> democratic centralism section (clause 14) of the disciplinary code*. The
> region believes that this clause can be replaced be a new code such as the
> delegation of authority code.
>
> Revolutionary regards,
>
> Sbusiso Xaba
> Tshwane Regional Chairman
>
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Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Zondo

Your statement makes sense but you are dishonest. Cde Moloto has been
paying for yourself and Eddie Mfulwane to attend NEC meetings and support
his positions as far back as 11 May 2013. Your PAYCO is not driving any PAC
Programmes among the youths in the country buts has been a voting cattle
for Moloto NEC Grouping. Some of your youths members like Eddie Mfulwane,
Justice Digashu and others are paid by Moloto to do what Moloto seeks
from PAYCO. PYACO has no provincial, regional structures across the country
with only handful few branches.

We know radical and revolutionary AZANYU

As PAYCO you have no youth programmes to mobilise and challenge the
dominance of the ANCYL, DA Youth Organisation is doing far much better.
Remember, PASMA collapsed under your leadership with Eddie Mfulwane, now
PAYCO will be written off! PAC with all its mistakes and weaknesses, we
used to pride ourselves about militant and revolutionary AZANYU, PASO and
PASMA leadership and membership which was ideologically sound and
politically sharp but today PAYCO has become a shame.

You are leading PAYCO and a small pocket size trade union? All this is just
a money making scheme, typical of lumpens.

Withdraw yourself from being scrop-lappie of some moneyed people in PAC and
focus on uniting and building PAYCO. Organise meetings and pursued Mpasha
Pitso. Your Madadeni congress mandated that end of 2013 PAYCO must have
an youth conference remain unfulfilled!

PAC did not have youth during national elections because PAYCO only exists
to vote during and at Moloto NEC meetings.

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:

> M’Afrika
>
>
>
> I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier
> given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be
> arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the
> notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a
> notion create an illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC
> NEC has disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without
> being questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC
> we are facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA
> and PAYCO!
>
>
>
> PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes
> a quorum for it has split into three unequal and  non-quorating parts!
> According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has
> been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By
> Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde
> Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally
> suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling
> each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an
> inclusive national conference.
>
>
>
> There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to
> factional feuding and weakening of the PAC!
>
>
>
> This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive
> national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and
> organisational solution.
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
>
>
> Nkrumah
>
> *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com]
> *Sent:* 04 September 2014 12:42 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
>
>
>
>

[PAYCO] Re: MPETHI PRESIDENTIAL DECREE AND THREE PAC NEC SPLITS

2014-08-07 Thread Tongogara Ndima

a scapegoat for everything
> wrong done even when he is not there. Ever since 2014 May 11 NEC meeting,
> PAC conditions never became better but it became worse. This blame game
> shows that those leading PAC have poor and weak leadership qualities for
> they are incapable to take matured and constructive decisions. Letlapa is
> wrong as a human being, then the 11th May 2013 NEC Grouping by
> Mpethi-Moloto could have done better and done things differently!
>
> The long and short of all these, it is confirmed that PAC 2012 Butterworth
> Congress has now fallen apart into three NEC Groupings. CIA,, Mossad and
> FBI and NIS failed to
> destroy PAC, but in last 24 months we see the destruction of PAC done
> internally effectively by people claiming to be honest and sincere
> cadreship of PAC! They succeeded to achieve the destruction of PAC on
> behalf of forces of imperialism.
>
> Izwe lethu
>
> Ndima
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Mbulelo Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>> Ma Afrika Izwe Lethu
>>
>> The biggest problem the PAC has is that over the last ten years, it has
>> produced more factionalists than cadres. In the process, factionalists have
>> perfected their skills to keep the PAC divided through rumours, gossips and
>> lies.
>>
>> We all are aware that Mphethi and Moloto are products of Mphahlele ' s
>> leadership. We also all are aware that the Gcuwa Special congress was a
>> factionalist programme spearheaded by Mphahlele. That things have turned
>> out the way they did, with Mphahlele ' s products removing him from office
>> should be blamed purely on Mphahlele ' s leadership.
>>
>> One thing that all of us should accept is that Mphahlele and his
>> leadership succeeded in creating factions and dividing the PAC. The
>> invocation of clause 14.2 is Mphahlele ' s culture. What Mphethi is doing
>> today by trying to invoke clause 14.2 is what he learnt from his mentor,
>> Mphahlele. In Mphethi's narrow thinking, the decree is the norm in the PAC.
>>
>> Our responsibility as PAC members is therefore to destroy this culture of
>> factionalism and anarchy that the decrees have introduced in the PAC. The
>> starting point is that lies, gossips, and rumours should be condemned. For
>> instance, there is no truth in saying Narius Moloto removed Mphethi from
>> parliament. Even if Narius had wanted to do that, he would not have
>> succeeded in terms of parliamentary processes. Secondly, the members who
>> opposed Mphethi's attempt to plunge the PAC into another decree crisis did
>> not oppose Mphethi because they belong to any faction. These members are
>> opposed to anything that would remind them of the unconstitutional state in
>> which the PAC was under Mphahlele ' s decrees. We will oppose anyone who
>> tries to bring the PAC back to the era era of cliques and cabals through
>> the decree.
>>
>> Kindly note that whether any one likes it or not, the PAC will hold its
>> conference in September. There is no decree that will stop this. This is a
>> constitutional imperative. The last annual conference was in September last
>> year and we have a constitutional duty to hold the conference by this
>> coming September. All members of the PAC who belong to the PAC structures
>> are free to attend as delegates. The problem with factionalists is that
>> they do not belong to structures, but they belong to factions. Now because
>> factions have no role at conference, factionalists will always oppose
>> conferences. This is why under Mphahlele, there were no conferences.
>>
>> Finally ma Afrika let me officially inform you that Mphethi tried to
>> invoke clause 14.2 at the NEC meeting held at Booysens Hotel but that was
>> unanimously rejected by the NEC. The decision of the NEC was that Mphethi
>> should submit his grievances against Moloto to the NEC for the NEC to
>> urgently attend to them. The NEC also decided to request M'Afrika Mogoba to
>> mediate in the dispute between Mphethi and Moloto. Mphethi however failed
>> to submit his grievances to the NEC. He instead decided to issue a
>> statement invoking the decree from his house. Kindly note that the main
>> reasons Mphethi fowarded to the NEC  for invoking the decree were that
>> firstly he had a problem with Narius Moloto and secondly, that the NEC
>> should make an undertaking that at the September Conference, he will not be
>> removed as PAC President. Do these two reasons really constitute a crisis
>> in the PAC?  Certainly not. Unless we want to turn the PAC into a joke
>> where clowns will bring clause 14.2 anytime their

[PAYCO] Re: MPETHI PRESIDENTIAL DECREE AND THREE PAC NEC SPLITS

2014-08-07 Thread Tongogara Ndima

duty to hold the conference by this
> coming September. All members of the PAC who belong to the PAC structures
> are free to attend as delegates. The problem with factionalists is that
> they do not belong to structures, but they belong to factions. Now because
> factions have no role at conference, factionalists will always oppose
> conferences. This is why under Mphahlele, there were no conferences.
>
> Finally ma Afrika let me officially inform you that Mphethi tried to
> invoke clause 14.2 at the NEC meeting held at Booysens Hotel but that was
> unanimously rejected by the NEC. The decision of the NEC was that Mphethi
> should submit his grievances against Moloto to the NEC for the NEC to
> urgently attend to them. The NEC also decided to request M'Afrika Mogoba to
> mediate in the dispute between Mphethi and Moloto. Mphethi however failed
> to submit his grievances to the NEC. He instead decided to issue a
> statement invoking the decree from his house. Kindly note that the main
> reasons Mphethi fowarded to the NEC  for invoking the decree were that
> firstly he had a problem with Narius Moloto and secondly, that the NEC
> should make an undertaking that at the September Conference, he will not be
> removed as PAC President. Do these two reasons really constitute a crisis
> in the PAC?  Certainly not. Unless we want to turn the PAC into a joke
> where clowns will bring clause 14.2 anytime their reactionary agendas are
> challenged.
>
> In conclusion, let me invite all genuine members of the PAC to play their
> part to protect and rebuild the PAC. Those who have grievances against any
> individual or leader, the conference will sit and shape our future going
> forward.
>
> Izwe Lethu
>
> Fihla
> On 06 Aug 2014 11:53 AM, "Tongogara Ndima" 
> wrote:
>
>> Izwe lethu M'Afrika
>>
>> We have learnt once more that Mpethi-Moloto NEC Group has split into two
>> fighting groupings to an extent PAC "President" Mpethi has evoked clause
>> 14b Decree with effect from the 30th July 2014. But it seems that some
>> members siding with Moloto are opposing the Mpethi NEC Grouping and  if
>> true this week at High Court Moloto NEC grouping will be trying to render
>> the Mpethi evoking the Decree to be unconstitutional and illegal.
>>
>> Going back to 2013, on the 11 May 2013 PAC Congress elected NEC at
>> Butterworth was split into two groupings:-
>>
>>-   One led by Cde Moloto supported by Cde Mpethi and other 12 NEC
>>members which co-opted or appointed Mike Muendane, Don MAttera, Phillip
>>Dhlamini and Joseph Maqhekeni into their NEC Group;
>>- Another one which met on eth 18th May 2013 led byCde Mphahlele
>>supported also by almost 14 NEC Members
>>- There are three or two NEC members who distanced themselves from
>>both two feuding NEC;
>>- Parallel structures were formed and PAC members were turned against
>>each and encouraged to counter-organise each other ever since 2013 May 11
>>and 18 meetings;
>>
>> While PAC Branches and Members raised the call for party unity, after the
>> May National and Provincial Elections Poor performance where PAC got just
>> an estimated 38 000 - 39 000 votes;
>>
>>- Its has been reported that Cde Moloto unilaterally removed Cde
>>Mpethi as the sole Parliamentary representative and replace Cde Mpthei by
>>his close ally Cde Bennet Joko; When we asked Members of the NEC none of
>>the were able to explain the removal of Cde Mpethi, nut interesting those
>>close to Cde Moloto had better clarity and could explain, and claimed that
>>Cde Mpethi is "selfish" and "make no financial contributions to the PAC".
>>But when we requested NEC minutes or decisions which explains that indeed
>>the Mpethi-Moloto 11 May NEC took such a resolution, these NEC members
>>failed to confirm that there is an NEC Decision. On the otherside Mpethi
>>accussed Moloto for convening meetings which do not quorate and 
>> disregarded
>>the PAC Constitution
>>- During the postponed NEC meeting which was held on the 26th - 27th
>>July 2014, this were extremely hot and comrades almost assaulted each
>>other! Then Cde Mpethi evoked the Presidential Decree effectively
>>suspending the constitution and NEC!
>>- The Mpethi-Moloto NEC is now split into two groups:- Some less
>>seven- nine NEC members side and support; And other six - eight NEC 
>> members
>>side with Moloto;
>>- The implications of the Mpethi Presidential Decree is that 2014
>>September Conference will no

[PAYCO] Re: MPETHI PRESIDENTIAL DECREE AND THREE PAC NEC SPLITS

2014-08-07 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Moaforika Sipho Ndhlovu

Thanks for your sane response, about the issue you raised that if there are
allegations against the President or SG procedure as per being structural
and constitutional should be followed, I agree with you and can you explain
what happened with letters written by PAC Branches in March and April 2013
complaining about the General Secretary sowing division in Johannesburg
regions when PAC Branches agreed in early March 2013 to form one unifying
regional structure? No action was taken by the NEC until to date! there
were claims presented to NEC members about a woman raped in a toilet by an
NEC member, what action had been taken to firstly investigate the claims
and if those claims were proven to be true then a disciplinary action is
taken by the NEC through the NDC, what happen about the poor woman who was
raped and the related claims, nothing was done?

The tactic of forcing PAC members not to raise issue but follow
constitution when the same constitution is followed nothing is done,
because the extent of rot in the PAC is deep! But, above all

Izwe lethu
Ndima


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Sipho Owen  wrote:

>
> Izwe Lethu
>
> Cde allow me to echo this sentiments and put matters into perspectives
> considering your email that raises issues of replacement and goes further
> to outline how many NEC members support and how further purports
> replacement of Cde Mphethi by Cde Joko.
>
> in the spirit of the basic document more specifically the code of conduct
> which denounces rumoour mongering, gossips and any practices that
> undermines unity and progress within the Party, we are called upon to rise
> above this mentioned above.
>
> It is rumour and gossip of the worst order that Cde Joko is member of
> Parliament and as such should be condemned as it realy purports that which
> is not true. further more we should on the spot condemn those NEC members
> who provide selfish, misleading briefs and gossips that undermines the
> progress of the Party.
>
> we are called upon as members to provide those misleading NEC members with
> leadership without fail as they divide the Party. im no NEC members
> however the struggles within are theirs mi9ne is to contrin=bute through
> my branch and ensure that we correct the culturecurrently ravaging the
> party of anarchy. armchair revolutionaries, criticizers without action and
> structural discrepancies wwe have of none branches and non renewal of
> membership. this continued individual statements allegedly on behalf of
> the members without mandate also from branches as it would be highly
> appreciated that our leaders receive memorandums of grievances through
> structures and they would be obliged to explain themselves structurally
> and that will attend to misinformation and gossip as people report what
> will suit their needs and not that which build this organisation.
>
> worse that the interests of representing the party and also personal
> hatreds or disagreements are at the center of this factional tendencies we
> have seen in recent years. where some went to the extent of changing Party
> lists ti suit their interests and between the list conference and
> submission of lists has been marked by controversy especialy at the 2011
> local government where others were number 1 at the local and district
> municipality as they bet on all horses waiting in anxiety for the winning
> horse.
>
> Let us correctly take our leadership to task and ensure they represent the
> aspirations of the massses in the correct manner which is structural and
> further stop the misinformation. it is to me correct that if allegations
> are levelled against the president or SG the honourable thing to do is to
> write to either and ask the question so you can get the correct
> information not to spread hearsay which rumour into fact whilst having no
> regard for internal process.
>
> lets do our best to build tghis organisation and trust me the programme we
> adopt and processes will attend to all factionslists and the party will be
> clean and attend to the noble mandate of united states of Afrika which is
> free from all forms of neo colonialism where all Africans shall enjoy the
> wealth and the foreign monopoly against africans destroyed.
>
> Izwe lethu
>
> > On 06 Aug 2014 11:53 AM, "Tongogara Ndima" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Izwe lethu M'Afrika
> >>
> >>
> >> We have learnt once more that Mpethi-Moloto NEC Group has split into
> >> two fighting groupings to an extent PAC "President" Mpethi has evoked
> >> clause 14b Decree with effect from the 30th July 2014. But it seems that
> >> some members siding with Moloto are opposing the Mpethi NEC Grouping and
> >> if true this

Re: [PAYCO] The Passing on of Cde Benny Pailane

2014-07-07 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MoAforkia Xola, when is the funeral of Cde Thami Mdlalose?


On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:10 AM, 'Xola' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress <
payco@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Benny Pailane popularly known as 'Thami Mdlalose' in the APLA ranks,
> originally from Orlando West (Soweto) has passed on yesterday
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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Re: [PAYCO] Re: LAND REFORM

2014-07-03 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu Maforika

Comrade Mawethu I fully agree with Cde Linda, the centre does not hold, it
makes no sense to poor water into a bottomless pit or bucket. The centre
does not hold, actually the centre is incapable to hold, yes we can discuss
the document as proposed and advised by cde Ndamane but then what next? For
example, EFF achieved more than 1 million votes mainly having a vibrant and
articulate national leadership which worked on grounds with members and
dialy. PAC National Leadership as it stands today compared to the EFF is
remain incapable. EFF did not have branches and regional committees and
structures but it had National and Provincial structures composed of a
vibrant and determined leadership which was visible and articulated their
own ideas without being apologetic, a leadership that inspired confidence
among the people, our own Mo-Aforika wa Azania has been fully behind EFF
given the extent of determination and organisation which lacked in
the PAC.Barely eight months after it was formed, the EFF managed to garner
6.35% of the votes in the national elections in May 2014 National and
Provincial Elections.

Let us learn from history and experience within the PAC's NECs
performances. When Patricia De Lille stole the PAC parliamentary seat and
formed ID in 2003 via floor crossing legislation, as PAC we were left only
with Cde Motsoko Pheko as a member of Parliament. After PAC Soweto Congress
NEC elected led by Dr Pheko in 2004 national election PAC got 113 512 votes
which was 3 Parliamentary Seats and during local government
elections obtained 306 747 votes which is a combination of ward + PR + DC
Votes and gave PAC 1.2% which is more than 120 councillors the highest in
the history of the PAC.

The worse part of it for example, we were told that NACTU which has 300 000
members pledged to vote for PAC and EFF, we know that PAC has two NEC
members namely Cde Moloto serving also as NACTU General Secretary and Cde
Joseph Maqhekeni serving as NACTU President, SACWU President was on the PAC
National List of Parliament, this make PAC to have more than 3 people
forming part of NACTU Central Committee. And by the way BCAWU which led by
PAC comrades has more than 25 000 members and SACWU has more than 15 000
members, Hotellica has more 5000 members, NUFBSAW has more than 5000
members, AMCU has more than 200 000 members BUT our PAC got just less than
40 000 votes during 7th May 2014 National Elections.

Now as PAC members we must ask without fear or favour, how did it happen
that NACTU with more 300 000 members did not vote PAC when we have
more leaders of PAC serving and leading NACTU Central Committee? This
points  again to the very reality we are trying to avoid, which is, the
current leadership of PAC is incapable to lead and grow PAC! Instead, they
have become successful in  sowing and deepening factionalism in the PAC.

Comrade Fihla, for a senior party leader of your calibre to randomly use
words such as enemy agents without proof is highly questionable especially
during a robust debate, I am disappointed by the manner you addressed my
view, however I must equally put before you a common sotho adage that
"moloi ga a ipolele" and also one that says "tshwene ga e ipone mariba".

This generation of Mpethi-Moloto their time has past they had an
opportunity since 2006 QwaQwa National Congress until, PAC requires
generation change for once I fully agree with PAYCO and PASMA NEC Comrades,
PAC needs new revolutionary blood to multiply its fortunes Comrades must
realise time is moving and that we are growing old while the PAC is thrown
to the periphery we should refuse to see PAC dying before our very own
eyes, there is enough talent in PAC of comrades who can take PAC far and
perform wonders.

Izwe lethu

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Tongogara Ndima 
wrote:

> Izwe lethu Maforika
>
> Comrade Mawethu I fully agree with Cde Linda, the centre does not hold, it
> makes no sense to poor water into a bottomless pit or bucket. The centre
> does not hold, actually the centre is incapable to hold, yes we can discuss
> the document as proposed and advised by cde Ndamane but then what next? For
> example, EFF achieved more than 1 million votes mainly having a vibrant and
> articulate national leadership which worked on grounds with members and
> dialy. PAC National Leadership as it stands today compared to the EFF is
> remain incapable. EFF did not have branches and regional committees and
> structures but it had National and Provincial structures composed of a
> vibrant and determined leadership which was visible and articulated their
> own ideas without being apologetic, a leadership that inspired confidence
> among the people, our own Mo-Aforika wa Azania has been fully behind EFF
> given the extent of determination and organisation which lacked in the PAC.
>
> Let us learn from history and experience within the PAC's NECs
>

Re: [PAYCO] Re: LAND REFORM

2014-07-03 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu Maforika

Comrade Mawethu I fully agree with Cde Linda, the centre does not hold, it
makes no sense to poor water into a bottomless pit or bucket. The centre
does not hold, actually the centre is incapable to hold, yes we can discuss
the document as proposed and advised by cde Ndamane but then what next? For
example, EFF achieved more than 1 million votes mainly having a vibrant and
articulate national leadership which worked on grounds with members and
dialy. PAC National Leadership as it stands today compared to the EFF is
remain incapable. EFF did not have branches and regional committees and
structures but it had National and Provincial structures composed of a
vibrant and determined leadership which was visible and articulated their
own ideas without being apologetic, a leadership that inspired confidence
among the people, our own Mo-Aforika wa Azania has been fully behind EFF
given the extent of determination and organisation which lacked in the PAC.

Let us learn from history and experience within the PAC's NECs
performances. When Patricia De Lille stole the PAC parliamentary seat and
formed ID in 2003 via floor crossing legislation, as PAC we were left only
with Cde Motsoko Pheko as a member of Parliament. After PAC Soweto Congress
NEC elected led by Dr Pheko in 2004 national election PAC got 113 512 votes
and during local government elections obtained 306 747 votes which is a
combination of ward + PR + DC Votes and gave PAC 1.2% which is more than
120 councillors the highest in the history of the PAC.

The worse part of it for example, we were told that NACTU which has 300 000
members pledged to vote for PAC and EFF, we know that PAC has two NEC
members namely Cde Moloto serving also as NACTU General Secretary and Cde
Joseph Maqhekeni serving as NACTU President, SACWU President was on the PAC
National List of Parliament, this make PAC to have more than 3 people
forming part of NACTU Central Committee. And by the way BCAWU which led by
PAC comrades has more than 25 000 members and SACWU has more than 15 000
members, Hotellica has more 5000 members, NUFBSAW has more than 5000
members, AMCU has more than 200 000 members BUT our PAC got just less than
40 000 votes during 7th May 2014 National Elections.

Now as PAC members we must ask without fear or favour, how did it happen
that NACTU with more 300 000 members did not vote PAC when we have
more leaders of PAC serving and leading NACTU Central Committee? This
points  again to the very reality we are trying to avoid, which is, the
current leadership of PAC is incapable to lead and grow PAC! Instead, they
have become successful in  sowing and deepening factionalism in the PAC.

Comrade Fihla, for a senior party leader of your calibre to randomly use
words such as enemy agents without proof is highly questionable especially
during a robust debate, I am disappointed by the manner you addressed my
view, however I must equally put before you a common sotho adage that
"moloi ga a ipolele" and also one that says "tshwene ga e ipone mariba".

This generation of Mpethi-Moloto their time has past they had an
opportunity since 2006 QwaQwa National Congress until, PAC requires
generation change for once I fully agree with PAYCO and PASMA NEC Comrades,
PAC needs new revolutionary blood to multiply its fortunes Comrades must
realise time is moving and that we are growing old while the PAC is thrown
to the periphery we should refuse to see PAC dying before our very own
eyes, there is enough talent in PAC of comrades who can take PAC far and
perform wonders.

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:49 PM, 'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist
Youth Congress  wrote:

> Good day Comrades
>
> I think we have nothing to lose in engaging the document circulated by
> comrade Siya. The reason  we are found wanting on matters we claim to have
> insight and knowledge of is because whenever there is an opportunity to
> influence debate and cerebrally apply ourselves on fundamental issues we
> instead blame others for our state of paralysis.
>
> Cde Ndima, while I wouldn't trivialize your thoughts on leadership allow
> me to state that they are not raised in the same unifying tone as the
> letter earlier circularized by Cde Matome Mashao.
>
> Quite honestly the discussion of the document as proposed by Cde Siya in
> fact reminds us of what we should be doing instead.
>
> Going back to your list, one comrade, to be specific Cde Nkrumah is on
> record having renounced the habit of including his name in what he termed
> efforts to perpetuate factions but I see persistence from some of
> us despite his candid admonishment.
>
> Once again I see no ideological nor political reasons why we should not
> engage the Rural Development Ministry Policy proposal as beckoned by Cde
> Siya.
> Please see this in context son of the soil, no offence intended.
>
>

Re: [PAYCO] Facebook newsfeed post by: Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga

2014-05-14 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Moaforika Mphiri, our PAC got 11 200,00 votes in Gauteng! How do you
explain this, ngwana setshaba


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:58 PM,  wrote:

> Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga wrote:
>
> We will require +- 56 000 Votes in Gauteng to obtain 1 Seat in the
> Provincial Legislature, should there be 100% Voter Turn Out. PAC must work
> hard to obtain more than 2 Seats in Gauteng.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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Re: [PAYCO]

2014-05-14 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MoAfrika Fikiswa, can we go and support African Liberation Day Lecture in
Soweto, Please!


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Brenda Ndlvou
wrote:

> M'Afrika
>
> What is the agenda for the meeting?
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
> On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:07:11 +0200 Fikiswa Ntshwanti 
> wrote
>
> > Dear MáÁfrika
> >
> > I hope this finds you well. You are hereby invited to a PAWO meeting
> > to be held in Tshwane. Ouraadsaal, cnr Pretorius and Paul Kruger, 25
> > May 2014 @14h00.to 15h30. Please R.S.V.P. by 24th May 2014 @16H00.
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Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally

2014-04-29 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika Mbulele Raymond, actually your generation which include Moloto,
Mudini and Letlapa, and the naïve Mopethi had failed PAC and continue to
fail PAC since QwaQwa Congress until to date. Very soon you will be
mobilising PAC members and some NEC members to act on Narius just to
further divisions within the NEC and PAC. Will Narius Moloto as GS, manage
to present his report at the next annual conference and later the national
congress? Under your political guidance PAC continue to go nowhere but
remain to be in crisis. And for any serious person who understand PAC and
want to uphold the integrity and image of PAC, you the last to defend
mediocrity.

Secondly, If you find my comments offensive, its unfortunate, but the
simple message is PAC NEC should please deploy NEC Members with the
required abilities to explain and articulate PAC positions, thus far both
Mopethi and Moloto are incapable!

Izwe lethu

Tongogara


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Mbulelo Raymond wrote:

> M'Afrika Tongogara
>
> One of the main problems the PAC has is that it's members are very good at
> attacking others instead of building them. You know, you may be correct
> when you say comrades Moloto and Mphethi are not the best speakers the PAC
> has. But does that mean they are an embarrassment  to the PAC. Does that
> also make them hopeless opportunists? Don't you think they can be trained
> and groomed to become the kind of speakers you want?
>
> I guess m'Afrika you need to be told the truth. The truth is that you are
> one of the enemies of the PAC. The comrades from PASMA are inviting us to a
> rally which we all need to support. Instead of supporting this rally, you
> are trying to sabotage it by discouraging members from attending. You are
> instead now diverting our attention from the invitation to the rally to the
> new topic about the PAC leaders that you hate so much. M'Afrika, we are not
> interested in your factional agenda. Our only desire is to build the PAC.
> We are grateful that M'Afrika Mphethi helped us to register the PAC to
> contest the elections. Today we can with pride say we shall increase the
> number of seats the PAC has in parliament.
>
> We are also grateful to M'Afrika Moloto for remaining firm and defend the
> PAC when some of us were sponsored to keep the PAC in court and create an
> impression that the PAC is an organisation consisting of factions with no
> clear leadership. Whether they are bad speakers or not, these two Africans
> have saved the PAC from the enemies within.
>
> To the rest of you ma Afrika, let us move ahead and rebuild the PAC? Let
> us close ranks and fight the enemies within. The time has come for us to
> focus on what builds the PAC. Anything that promotes factional interests
> and divisions in our PAC must be mercilessly condemned. Those who are
> professional fault finders and do not belong to any structures must never
> be allowed to spread their poison in the PAC. BEWARE OF THE ENEMIES WITHIN!
>
> Izwe Lethu
>
> Fihla
>
>  On Apr 26, 2014 12:50 PM, "Tongogara Ndima" 
> wrote:
>
>> M'Afrika Digashu
>>
>> Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and
>> has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him
>> and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and
>> Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor
>> and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are
>> hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the
>> better!
>>
>> Please M'Afrika
>>
>> From Tongongara
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lehlogonolo Digashu <
>> digashu.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Lehlogonolo Digashu 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM
>>> Subject: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
>>> To: sduduzo andiswa , Sbongiseni Ayanda <
>>> jxi...@gmail.com>, Ali Maphalala , butheyane
>>> mary serunye , BONOLO TSHEGO <
>>> melloasa...@gmail.com>, Thabo cyril Zwane ,
>>> tsatsawani chauke , zweli cele <
>>> zwelic...@webmail.co.za>, clementmar...@yahoo.com, Dumisani Mkhwente <
>>> lamzi...@gmail.com>, danielmamony...@gmail.com, Dimakatso Moletsane <
>>> bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>, eddie mfulwane ,
>>> Excellent Rikhotso , Fumanile Ben <
>>> fbdywilibe...@gmail.com>, INNOCENT FRIDAY ,
>>> Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba , Sbu Fire ,
>>> Willy Fokane , fortune.speng...@gmail.com,
>>> ga

Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally

2014-04-29 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika Hlomphi, as a former AZANYU and PASO member, you the last to
defend mediocrity. If you find my comments offensive, its unfortunate, but
the simple message is PAC NEC should please deploy NEC Members with the
required abilities to explain and articulate PAC positions, thus far both
Mopethi and Moloto are incapable!

Izwe lethu

Ndima


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele  wrote:

>  Comrade Tongongara
>
>
>
> You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC is currently
> suffering ideological coherent stance. So we must just assist the situation
> and stop continually dismissing our leadership. I always say to comrades
> that if one is not happy about a particular leader one must work hard to
> unseat that leader using our internal democratic processes. Hauling will
> not address your concerns. It is very much wise to focus yourself in
> developing a launching pad to address PAC problems. And that launching pad
> is your branch. So stop that and work your grounds. That’s where most of us
> fail. We think that we can correct the PAC ills by making the loudest
> noise. Teach the right thing. Prepare comrades for a PAC righteous path.
> That path is the implementation and utilisation of our Code of Conduct and
> our Constitution. All those leaders who transgress our code of conduct and
> our constitution will be answerable to the National Conference.
>
>
>
> Go out there and campaign for the PAC!!!
>
>
>
> *From:* Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 26 April 2014 12:51 PM
> *To:* payco@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* Admin @ Pac; Alton Mphethi; Michael Muendane; Narius Moloto;
> d...@pac.org.za; david mabitsela; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; justice mvakali;
> bulanng...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele;
> nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; Cape; mapulankoan...@gmail.com;
> mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com;
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> Mbulelo Raymond; dud...@webmail.co.za; billiard.s...@gmail.com;
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> patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za;
> Lehlogonolo Digashu; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Tebogo Sekele; frambo...@gmail.com;
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> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
>
>
>
> M'Afrika Digashu
>
>
>
> Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and
> has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him
> and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and
> Moloto dis

Re: [PAYCO] Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

2014-04-29 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Fikiswa,

You choose to be personal and support mediocrity this is the reason PAC is
falling apart. Secondly, your comments show that you are less involved in
daily activities of the PAC, because for a person involved in campaigning
for PAC then you would have known that in many areas PAC branches are
poorly organised and without posters, flyers and information, these are
signs of bad or poor planning in specific terms this means
outright incompetency.  This is not a beauty contest, this statement of
yours is wrong "Abantu abacinga ukuba bangcono kutheni bengenzi izinto
ezibukwayo sibone? and is ill founded "


On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Fikiswa Ntshwanti wrote:

> Hawu kanti kukho icampaign yoku denounce each other among the
> Africanists? Soze siye ndawo mos.Abantu abacinga ukuba bangcono
> kutheni bengenzi izinto ezibukwayo sibone?
>
> On 26 April 2014 12:56, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
> > M'Afrika ka'  Ntando
> >
> > As an election manager you should find this highly embarrassing and
> > bordering on incompetency, it is ten days before national elections  but
> PAC
> > Branches in majority of Gauteng and Mpumalangahave no elections posters
> and
> > information. Are you serving PAC or Mopethi-Moloto faction? No wonder
> > M'Afrika Mashao Matome keeps on denouncing you guys Xaba included as a
> bunch
> > of opportunist with principles. Xaba failed to become President at
> > Butterworth in July 2012, he is going to fail again, just watch the
> space!
> >
> > From, Tongogara
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Tommy Ntando 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
> >> Provincial Election Manager
> >>
> >> Izwe
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Re: [PAYCO] Invitation to a PAC Gauteng Election Conference

2014-04-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika ka'  Ntando

As an election manager you should find this highly embarrassing and
bordering on incompetency, it is ten days before national elections  but
PAC Branches in majority of Gauteng and Mpumalangahave no elections posters
and information. Are you serving PAC or Mopethi-Moloto faction? No
wonder M'Afrika Mashao Matome keeps on denouncing you guys Xaba included as
a bunch of opportunist with principles. Xaba failed to become President at
Butterworth in July 2012, he is going to fail again, just watch the space!

From, Tongogara

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Tommy Ntando  wrote:

> Please find herewith the attached communiqué for the office of the
> Provincial Election Manager
>
> Izwe
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Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally

2014-04-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika Digashu

Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and has
little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him and
demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and
Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor
and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are
hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the
better!

Please M'Afrika

>From Tongongara


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lehlogonolo Digashu <
digashu.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Lehlogonolo Digashu 
> Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM
> Subject: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
> To: sduduzo andiswa , Sbongiseni Ayanda <
> jxi...@gmail.com>, Ali Maphalala , butheyane
> mary serunye , BONOLO TSHEGO <
> melloasa...@gmail.com>, Thabo cyril Zwane , tsatsawani
> chauke , zweli cele ,
> clementmar...@yahoo.com, Dumisani Mkhwente ,
> danielmamony...@gmail.com, Dimakatso Moletsane ,
> eddie mfulwane , Excellent Rikhotso <
> excellentrikho...@gmail.com>, Fumanile Ben ,
> INNOCENT FRIDAY , Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba <
> nfx...@gmail.com>, Sbu Fire , Willy Fokane <
> fokanewi...@gmail.com>, fortune.speng...@gmail.com,
> gabula.j...@webmail.com, gemoanako...@webmail.co.za,
> hlatshwayonhlakanipho , Innocentia
> Mamaila , SELLO IRVIN LESABANE ,
> jabu mkhwanazi <8302jabumkhwan...@gmail.com>, Jabulani Mothopeng <
> jabumo...@gmail.com>, justice mvakali , Lejoni
> John Kekana , Obakeng Jacobs <
> obakengjac...@yahoo.com>, karabo mokgojwa ,
> khoi.so...@gmail.com, kgothatso sithole ,
> Lindo Thando , Metja Ledwaba ,
> MXOLISI MAISELA , Nkosinathi Mngoma <
> mngomankosina...@yahoo.com>, Madosky Obama ,
> pasma.gaut...@gmail.com, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi ,
> Tume Molomo , tumelo tele ,
> Mofihli Likotsi , "Vusi .Mahlangu" <
> vemahla...@gmail.com>, Vusumuzi Silaule , Xola
> Tyamzashe , Xola Tyamzashe ,
> Sbusiso Xaba , Smoll Zondo ,
> zun...@tut.ac.za
>
>
> good day
>
> receive here in attached communique for your urgent attention.
>
> we hope you find the above in order.
>
> kind regards
>
> JUSTIS MAJAZ DIGASHU
> PASMA GAUTENG
> PROVINCIAL CHAIRPERSON
> Cell: 084 868 4146
> 078 829 4317
> Tel: 011 333 9180
> Fax: 086 515 *7394*
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Re: [PAYCO] Leaderless

2013-11-01 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Some days After, the courage of unions like AMCU and NUM to fight must be
commended as opposed to lame duck BCAWU and other yellow trades unions. But
also we have learnt that an employer who is also a shareholder will not be
an honest leaders to African Workers:-

*A 3 week strike in the construction industry comes to an end *

by FSP Invest <http://fspinvest.co.za/tags/fsp-invest/>, 13 September 2013

*After workers downed tool three weeks ago, a new wage deal brings the
strike to an end. Earlier today, the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM)
said that the strike was over. Let's take a closer look at the wage deal
between the union and the construction industry…*

Earlier today, the NUM said that “it had agreed to a deal for wage hikes of
up to 12%,” reports
*Fin24*<http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Construction-strike-ends-20130913-3>.
This deal with the construction industry brings the three week strike to an
end.

Ten days ago, one of the unions involved in the strike action came to an
agreement with construction
firms.<http://fspinvest.co.za/articles/south-africa/some-of-the-construction-sectors-woes-are-over-as-one-union-accepts-wage-offer-1456.html>

The Building Construction and Allied Workers’ Union (BCAWU) agreed to an
increase of between 8% and 10% with construction companies, notes
*IOL*<http://www.iol.co.za/business/companies/construction-strike-ends-1.1577181#.UjLalz9-E1I>.
But the NUM rejected this offer.

*The new deal struck by the NUM benefits BCAWU members too*

NUM spokesman Lesiba Seshoka says that “all workers in the sector would
receive the higher increase” that the NUM negotiated, adds
*IOL*<http://www.iol.co.za/business/companies/construction-strike-ends-1.1577181#.UjLalz9-E1I>
.

The new deal, which affects 90,000 workers, is “almost double the country’s
inflation <http://resourcesandscarcity2.fspsecure.co.za/> rate,” reports *
Bloomberg*<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-13/south-africa-construction-strike-ends-after-12-wage-increase.html>.
The new deal led to the strike ending yesterday.

Despite the strike lasting for three weeks, it “appeared to have a
relatively small impact,” says
*Fin24*<http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Construction-strike-ends-20130913-3>.
With many workers refusing to strike, “many building sites” remained active.

Other strikes had much bigger effects on their related industries. Strikes
by “workers in the motor and gold
<http://fspinvest.co.za/content/rsrwfptl>industries… crippled
operations at some of the country’s biggest
producers,” adds
*Fin24*<http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Construction-strike-ends-20130913-3>
.

Workers in the vehicle manufacturing sector returned to work on
Monday<http://fspinvest.co.za/articles/south-africa/the-bulk-of-car-workers-return-to-work-as-strike-action-ends-1495.html>after
agreeing a new wage deal. Gold
mines were also back to
production<http://fspinvest.co.za/articles/latest-news/the-strike-in-the-gold-mining-sector-appears-to-be-nearing-an-end-1488.html>after
three out of four unions accepted a new wage offer.

Hopefully unions and companies involved will agree to new wage deals to end
the rest of the strike action plaguing SA soon.

Author: *FSP Invest* <http://fspinvest.co.za/tags/fsp-invest/>

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Tongogara Ndima wrote:

> *Some of the construction sector's woes are over as one union accepts
> wage offer *
>
> by FSP Invest <http://fspinvest.co.za/tags/fsp-invest/>, 03 September
> 2013
>
>
> *Earlier today, it emerged that one of the unions involved in the
> construction sector has accepted a wage deal. The Building Construction and
> Allied Workers' Union (BCAWU) have agreed to a wage hike of between 8% and
> 10%. Let's take a closer look at what's happening with the strike in the
> construction sector…*
>
>
> Earlier today, the SA Federation of Civil Engineering Contractors (SAFCEC)
> said that one of the unions had “accepted the latest wage offer,” reports
> *Fin24*<http://www.fin24.com/Economy/South-Africa/Union-accepts-construction-wage-deal-20130903>.
> The Building Construction and Allied Workers’ Union (BCAWU) agreed to a
> “10% wage increase for categories task grade one until four and an 8%
> increase for categories task grade five until nine”.
>
> The wage deal will be in place until the end of August 2016, notes *
> MoneyWeb*<http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/construction-union-accepts-wage-deal--safcec>
> .
>
> Narius Moloto, general secretary for the BCAWU, says the union “has a
> least 40,000 members in the construction sector,” reports 
> *IOL*<http://www.iol.co.za/business/companies/construction-union-accepts-wage-deal-1.1572509#.UiZP0T_ZXms>
> .
>
> Construction workers have been on strike since 26 August. The strike
> involves

Re: [PAYCO] Leaderless

2013-11-01 Thread Tongogara Ndima

*Some of the construction sector's woes are over as one union accepts wage
offer *

by FSP Invest , 03 September 2013

*Earlier today, it emerged that one of the unions involved in the
construction sector has accepted a wage deal. The Building Construction and
Allied Workers' Union (BCAWU) have agreed to a wage hike of between 8% and
10%. Let's take a closer look at what's happening with the strike in the
construction sector…*

Earlier today, the SA Federation of Civil Engineering Contractors (SAFCEC)
said that one of the unions had “accepted the latest wage offer,” reports *
Fin24*.
The Building Construction and Allied Workers’ Union (BCAWU) agreed to a
“10% wage increase for categories task grade one until four and an 8%
increase for categories task grade five until nine”.

The wage deal will be in place until the end of August 2016, notes *MoneyWeb
*
.

Narius Moloto, general secretary for the BCAWU, says the union “has a least
40,000 members in the construction sector,” reports
*IOL*
.

Construction workers have been on strike since 26 August. The strike
involves members of the BCAWU and the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM).

*But the construction sector is not out of the woods yet*

But the NUM are not agreeing to the new wage offer.

The NUM says that it has 90,000 members in the construction sector, notes *
IOL*.
And it is not accepting the new offer.

The NUM demands a “change in minimum salary structures,” reports
*MoneyWeb*.
Along with this, the union wants a 13% wage hike for this year and a “14%
increase for 2014”.

Spokesman for the NUM, Lesiba Seshoka, confirmed earlier today that it
would continue its strike action, adds
*MoneyWeb*
.

Mr Seshoka says that “there is no end in sight for the strike action,” says
*IOL*.
The union says that it will continue its strike action “until the employers
grant our demands”.

With a majority of the workforce still striking, the construction sector
will continue to be under pressure

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Narius Moloto  wrote:

> Give substance for your suggestion mr makhanya.have you now replaced pac
> branches and congress?pac leaders are elected and removed my the membersof
> the party in goodstanding at the cogress.agents of destruction who get
> their
> mandate from the enemies of the pac totaly disregard the constitutional
> provision of the pac.you don't have the standing to make such a call.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Narius Moloto
> General Secretary
> BCAWU
> Tel: 011 333 0881
> Fax: 086 520 0413
> E-mail: g...@bcawu.co.za
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> jabumakha...@yahoo.com
> Sent: 06 March 2013 02:14 PM
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [PAYCO] Leaderle
> It has always been to the expectations that the PAC NEC would from
> time-to-time re-act to developing events both local and international but
> to
> the emb arassment of the PAC members the party remains leaderless. Of
> lately, Hugo Chavez is no more, Marikana and farms strikes swept the
> country, e-tolls debacle is causing headache, fuel-price hikes which can be
> subsidized is reaping havoc. The so called party leaders are comfortably
> silent.  Which other tools do they need to steer the masses. Letlapa
> Mphahlele appears to be a walking dead-man, his SG, Narius Moloto is
> obssessed with power working for more than three organisation as the
> secretary-general, this is madness. He cannot issue at least a three-lines
> media statement re-affirm  ing PAC policies. With the exception of  other
> NEC members who are trying to save the PAC, the entire top-six must step
> aside, they're completely useless for the party progress. They 've to
> recall
> that they enforced Butterworth congress and they contested their current
> positions willingly and knowingly about challenges ahead. They have sold
> out, let them go!
>
> Jabu
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Re: [PAYCO] RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)

2013-10-31 Thread Tongogara Ndima

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Izwe lethu M'Afrika
>
> Find attached Handbook of Revolutionary Warfare for your reading and
> discussion in your respective branches. We encourage party members in every
> branch to form *Political Study and Work Groups* composed of 5 - 10
> comrades. The Political Study and Work Group(s) are coordinated by the
> Branch Organiser or a Branch Member (or BEC Member) assigned to coordinate
> the branch’s Political Work and Education. PSWG meet regularly commonly
> after every two weeks to discuss, critique, and share political literature
> including experiences drawn from the actual execution of party political
> work. PSWG are founded on two key elements namely *Revolutionary Theory*and
> *Revolutionary Practice*.
>
> I hope this method will greatly assist in improving the quality and effect
> of your party political work!
>
> Arise Revolutionary Forces, Arise!
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 18 September 2013 11:49 AM
> *To:* 'Mohlomphegi Mphahlele'; mphi...@gmail.com;
> aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke';
> g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe';
> jabumakha...@yahoo.com; g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa
> Mxesibe'; ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za;
> ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi Mnandi'; 'Luyanda Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo';
> 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson';
> 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Baliwinile
> Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; brian.gam...@doves.co.za;
> 'Kutie Thondlana'; dumisani...@gmail.com; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com;
> 'Horatio Motjuwadi'; 'Jaki Seroke'; g...@nactu.org.za; 'PASMA Gauteng';
> 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; jabumakha...@yahoo.com;
> g...@bcawu.co.za; twa...@pac.org.za; 'Zukisa Mxesibe'; ptob...@yahoo.com;
> anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; 'Azi Mnandi'; 'Luyanda
> Gwina'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 'Jerry
> Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
> Sithole'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe';
> brian.gam...@doves.co.za; 'Kutie Thondlana'; dumisani...@gmail.com;
> ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; 'Vusi8 .'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego';
> ju-...@webmail.co.za; lifu.nhl...@gmail.com; rakwe...@yahoo.com; 'Albert
> Mokoena'; apap...@webmail.co.za; a...@joburg.org.za;
> angwa...@webmail.co.za; pmatheb...@webmail.co.za; 'Pule Maqekoane';
> 'Letlapa Mphahlele'; 'Mphiri Masoga'; ntonith...@gmail.com;
> mpumele...@gmail.com; 'Malesela Mogashwa'; ndimatongog...@gmail.com;
> hoteli...@iburst.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; 'Dr. Motsoko Pheko';
> 'Tumediso Modise'; nrkgag...@gmail.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: AFRICAN REVOLUTION BETRAYED - REMEMBER AND EMULATE STEVE
> BANTU BIKO (18 December 1946- 12 September 1977, Pretoria Prison Cell)
>
> ** **
>
> Izwe lethu
>
> ** **
>
> Where did the word Hippopotamus come from? origin of this word? Some say
> this word describes the behaviour of this animal as it is submerged in the
> water for according or in Zulu language bathi I-phuphutha manzi thus
> becoming Hi-phuphuta-manzi, however a contrary view points to Greek
> language, the Greek words hippos meaning "horse" and potamos meaning
> "river" or "rushing water."
>
> The Hippopotamus is a large semi-aquatic mammal that is found wallowing in
> the rivers and lakes across sub-Saharan Africa. So this animal called
> Hippopotamus is only found in Africa, how do the Greeks end up having a
> name for an animal that does not exist in their country and continent? The
> Nguni or Zulu descriptive word make sense for Zulu speaking Africans
> interact with this animals at the rivers and natural dams just like many
> Africans across the continent, however should we be that simplistic by
> accepting the I-phuphutha- manzi notion?
>
> I think the need of African Anthropologist to explain these questionable
> social areas and organic development of African society prior colonialism
> is necessary, since it is proven that Bureaucracy "originate" from China
> and other Asian countries, then was exported to Europe, and then through
> colonialism European capitalist adapted it to serve European Capitalist
> expansion interest as they sought new markets thus took bureaucracy to
> other parts of the world does not originate from Europe! African scholars
> must begin to provide scientific account about primeval Africa and African
> languages including Empires and States such as Zanj and Timbuktu! 
>
> How African states and bureaucracies were structured and operated in
> relation to social development and many facets of the society is of great
> importance. This goes to extent of also questioning the history taught at
> schools which might per

Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

2013-10-23 Thread Tongogara Ndima

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:48 AM, frazer smith wrote:

> Izwe Lethu Ma Afrika
>
> We all need to back and re-study Pan Africanism and the ideology of the
> PAC and for what we stand for and we fought for the liberation.
>
> Ma Afrika let us not loose focus in the coming elections. Once all us
> failed to give leadership this Organisation. I am seek and tired when I
> open my mails that we accuse and threaten our own PAC members and we all
> forget who is the enemy.
>
> Let us not always speak of Letlapa as President when we all no there is a
> court case on the matter. PAC is not owned by anyone let us not loose focus.
>
> Let us approach discussion on philosophical understanding. My apology is
> that people who did not study political science always falls in criticising
> others. Tomorrow if Letlapa wakes up and say I resign you will be still
> saying Letlapa for President. The history of this Organization is rich and
> I being noting that there are who joined the PAC for wrong reasons. If
> people don't response we you ar e expecting to do so that not possible Mo
> Africa the reason people respond depends on the interest of the topic.
>
>  I hope people who participate in the PAC discussion need to be clear and
> relevant don't speak for any one including the President as if the
> president is immortal. No Press can destroy us And Press can Build
>
> Izwe Lethu
>
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>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:05:54 +0200 Tongogara Ndima <
> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>  Comrade Nkrumah
>
> The angle you brought is interesting, it is true that some or most PAC NEC
> members are hiding themselves by posing as supporting or being against Cde
> President Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde GS Moloto. I thought we will hear NEC
> members speaking with one voice as a united PAC but we are not seeing this,
> maybe these comrades think they are fooling all of us, where is Cde Justice
> Mvakali, Cde Mohlomphegi and Cde Nofuma, these comrades used to travel all
> over the country mobilising members and branches against Cde Letlapa
> Mphahlele as President. Muendana and others are appointed into the NEC
> without following the constitution, now they are nowhere to give us
> feedback since PAC is falling apart. Let us not forget that some once
> declaredAPLAMVA as a non-profit organisation not belonging to PAC, after
> their plans falling apart because Plaatjie's PAMfailed to secure a seat in
> parliament they came back to PAC through the back door attackingCde Letlapa
> or destroying PAC!
>
>
> Kunzima mpela
>
> Ndima
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Comrades
>>
>> Some of us wonder as to for how long will this infighting continue?
>> Social networks you speak peace and unity for PAC, but your actions towards
>> each other is as such that you treat each other with vile as enemies. The
>> earlier you wake and realise that sice May until to date more damage has
>> been caused across the entire PAC. This blame game must come to an end, we
>> are surely less impressed by your conduct, actually the amount of damaged
>> caused, divisions sown and pain inflicted among PAC members and structures
>> to date under your collective leadership has never been seen in our
>> lifetime.
>>
>> The earlier you realise that PAC is operating without a constitutional
>> and functional National Executive Council the better, it seems you are now
>> smelling coffee. None of you can claim to legitimately represent NEC
>> because both 11th and 18th May 2013 mee tings divided PAC NEC.
>>
>>
>> Some of you have sufficiently blamed Cde Letlapa Mphahlele while others
>> have blame Cde Narius Moloto for all the current conditions of PAC,
>> actually you are hiding yourselves behind these two comrades, the sooner
>> PAC branches and members see through all you and start to denounce for your
>> deceit maybe this will assist. Two people cannot be wholly liable for the
>> destruction of PAC, you are collaborators and shareholders in this
>> destruction of PAC. A polictail case been made against Cde Letlapa
>> Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto, now the remainder NEC members should take
>> full responsibility and accountability for the political destruction taking
>> place in PAC.
>>
>> The image of PAC publicly is damaged and as PAC we have become a laughing
>> stock or should I say a mocker. 2014 national elections poor performance of
>> PAC will you take full responsibility. Its illogical to

Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

2013-10-23 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Xola

There are many wrongs and negatives in the PAC and very few positives. And
the payco google was formed as far back as 2004 or 2005, why did not
discourage Sbusiso, Mashao and other PAYCO members to close this google
group. Part of the reasons we have so many wrongs and negatives in the PAC
it is because comrades are hypocrites. It well and good to use PAYCO Google
Group to rubbish Pheko's NEC and post 2007 PAYCO Google Groups has been
used to rubbish Letlapa's Leadership, so precedence has been set and you
were part of all these wrong doing. Worse of all you, Justice and Nofuma
and others hidden faces you form part of the appointment of Muendane and
Fihla to the NEC by Nariu-Mpethi faction.

If you are serious about building PAC then firstly Joni, you must become
honest and sincere, this includes you to stop smearing campaign against
comrades who disagrees with you.

Izwe lethu
Ndima


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Xola  wrote:

> **
> Will the Facebook/PAYCOgoogle Branch members ever stop? There was PAC long
> before Cde Mphahlele and Cde Mololo and surely as the sun rises in the East
> there'll be PAC long before they are gone. The day some of you stop
> focusing on the negatives and concentrate on the positives is the day
> you'll start moving in the right direction. In as much some of us were not
> happy with the processes leading to Butterworth, we however went knowing
> very well that the playing fields were not leveled and accepted the
> results. As for the prophets of doom and professional fault-finders that
> the party breeds nowadays many did not even attend the Butterworths
> Congress for all kinds of reasons and interestingly have all the solutions
> to PAC problems, with some even wanting to suggest that PAC problems
> started on the 11th May. With all due respects, let's discuss and solve PAC
> problems in relevant platforms. Unite maAfrika. Forward to the
> establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy.
>
> Nchi yetu!
>
> Tyamzashe
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> --
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> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph
> Mothopeng
>
> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> The angle you brought is interesting, it is true that some or most PAC NEC
> members are hiding themselves by posing as supporting or being against Cde
> President Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde GS Moloto. I thought we will hear NEC
> members speaking with one voice as a united PAC but we are not seeing this,
> maybe these comrades think they are fooling all of us, where is Cde Justice
> Mvakali, Cde Mohlomphegi and Cde Nofuma, these comrades used to travel all
> over the country mobilising members and branches against Cde Letlapa
> Mphahlele as President. Muendana and others are appointed into the NEC
> without following the constitution, now they are nowhere to give us
> feedback since PAC is falling apart. Let us not forget that some once
> declared APLAMVA as a non-profit organisation not belong

Re: [PAYCO] Unveiling ceremony: Mawande Jack - 9 November 2013

2013-10-23 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Mo-Afrika Mpuka

Is there transport organised from Gauteng to Unveiling? If no, I suggest
that former Azanyu Comrades to organise transport, it will be great to
travel and pay our respects!

Lefatshe  La Rona- Courage, Unity, Action

Ndima


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Mpuka Radinku  wrote:

> Comrades
>
> ** **
>
> I have just been made aware by MoAfrika Tsietsi Molebatsi that the family
> of *Mawande Jack* in Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, intends to erect and unveil
> a tombstone in his memory on 9 November 2013. The support of those comrades
> who will be able to attend is highly appreciated. Maybe, maybe, events such
> as this unveiling should make us pause and rededicate ourselves to the
> genuine cause of Pan-Africanism. Not the reactionary power struggles that
> are currently demobilizing the masses and damaging the image of this
> glorious ship of freedom called the PAC. Never have I thought we would
> witness such brazen acts of reactionary conduct as we are now forced to
> endure. However, as a die-hard PAC member, I know that the Party is
> resilient and progressive forces within will always come out victorious to
> set the Party back on track. Revolutionaries are forever optimistic even in
> the darkest hour when contradictions seem to momentarily tilt the balance
> of power on the side of the worst among us – that is, those whose major
> objective is to pursue personal interests at whatever costs. 
>
> ** **
>
> Izwe lethu!
>
> ** **
>
> mpuka 
>
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Re: [PAYCO] RE: Memo on memorial lecture of Uncle Zeph Mothopeng

2013-10-23 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Nkrumah

The angle you brought is interesting, it is true that some or most PAC NEC
members are hiding themselves by posing as supporting or being against Cde
President Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde GS Moloto. I thought we will hear NEC
members speaking with one voice as a united PAC but we are not seeing this,
maybe these comrades think they are fooling all of us, where is Cde Justice
Mvakali, Cde Mohlomphegi and Cde Nofuma, these comrades used to travel all
over the country mobilising members and branches against Cde Letlapa
Mphahlele as President. Muendana and others are appointed into the NEC
without following the constitution, now they are nowhere to give us
feedback since PAC is falling apart. Let us not forget that some once
declared APLAMVA as a non-profit organisation not belonging to PAC, after
their plans falling apart because Plaatjie's PAM failed to secure a seat in
parliament they came back to PAC through the back door attacking Cde
Letlapa or destroying PAC!


Kunzima mpela

Ndima


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrades
>
> Some of us wonder as to for how long will this infighting continue? Social
> networks you speak peace and unity for PAC, but your actions towards each
> other is as such that you treat each other with vile as enemies. The
> earlier you wake and realise that sice May until to date more damage has
> been caused across the entire PAC. This blame game must come to an end, we
> are surely less impressed by your conduct, actually the amount of damaged
> caused, divisions sown and pain inflicted among PAC members and structures
> to date under your collective leadership has never been seen in our
> lifetime.
>
> The earlier you realise that PAC is operating without a constitutional and
> functional National Executive Council the better, it seems you are now
> smelling coffee. None of you can claim to legitimately represent NEC
> because both 11th and 18th May 2013 meetings divided PAC NEC.
>
> Some of you have sufficiently blamed Cde Letlapa Mphahlele while others
> have blame Cde Narius Moloto for all the current conditions of PAC,
> actually you are hiding yourselves behind these two comrades, the sooner
> PAC branches and members see through all you and start to denounce for your
> deceit maybe this will assist. Two people cannot be wholly liable for the
> destruction of PAC, you are collaborators and shareholders in this
> destruction of PAC.  A polictail case been made against Cde Letlapa
> Mphahlele and Cde Narius Moloto, now the remainder NEC members should take
> full responsibility and accountability for the political  destruction
> taking place in PAC.
>
> The image of PAC publicly is damaged and as PAC we have become a laughing
> stock or should I say a mocker. 2014 national elections poor performance of
> PAC will you take full responsibility.  Its illogical to claim that you are
> rescuing PAC from harm whilst you suffocate and inflict the very same PAC.
> M'Afrika, you have done enough damage, its enough you have proven your
> point. PAC branches and members deserves a state of sanity, PAC members are
> sick and tired about all this amorphous mess, Kwanele majoni-it's enough,
> what else are you proving? Because through your collective acts PAC is
> organisationally and politically is lifeless as matters stand, it must be
> revived, you are just finishing the remaining parts and semblance of PAC.
> Kwanele M'Afrika.
>
> Shango lashu
> Nkrumah
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za]
> Sent: 17 October 2013 03:19 PM
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Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu Mafrika Masoga

THanks Son of SOil for Clarity

Izwe lethu
Ndima
,


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> **
>
> Son of Afrika
>
> You are correct Son most of PAC members are hiding their political
> affiliation especially those working for Government.
>
> Please talk to M'Afrika Mashilo Nkuruma Raymond Kgagudi about PALF
> activities.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> ------
> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:01:07 +0200
> *To: *payco@googlegroups.com
> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>
> Izwe lethu Masoga
>
> Your view is well understood, it is only through PALF that as PAC we can
> coordinate the PACs influence and growth and re-building of a strong NACTU.
> AZANYU was able to coordinate the formation of ALCOC that is PALF to build
> the PACs influence in trade unions, another great political work done
> around 2008--2010 by PALF during Mo'Afrika Mopoholosi, MoAfrika Sthembele
> Melusi, Mo'Afrika Kgagudi and MoAfrika Sebei where provincial structures
> were formed and there were many national meetings of PALF.
>
> Who is leading PALF, now and where- how do we attend PALF meetings, since
> you are an active member? Son of Soil.
>
> WE HOPE TAT YOU WILL SUCCEED AND REBUILDING NACTU AND ITS AFFILIATES
>
> Izwe lethu
> Ndima
>
> Lefatshe la Rona
> Ndima
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> Son
>>
>> I can't give you any info about other Unions, rest assured it is no one's
>> fault that we are inflitrated.
>>
>> PAC Cadres who contribute monthly to ANC Through C0SATU affiliated
>> Unions, some are actively involved in those Unions.
>>
>> They are Tacnically supporting ANC, while they insult any move within PAC
>> to have progress and question anything done within the party.
>>
>> As for PALF we are part and parcel Son of the Soil.
>>
>> The question is WHAT can we do for PAC, programmed must be initiated by
>> us in our respective Branches in consultation with our Regions.
>>
>> What are we doing to ensure visibility of the party?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Mphiri Masoga
>> SACWU
>> --
>> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
>> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:17 +0200
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>>
>> Mo-Aforika Masoga
>>
>> THANKS A MIILLION SON OF THE SOIL FOR THE CLARITY.
>>
>> WHAT HAPPENED WITH MEWUSA BECAUSE IT WAS LED BY YOUNG, MILITANT AND
>> CAPABLE LEADERSHIP MAJORITY WHERE ONCE PAC AND PASMA LEADERS. AND ALSO
>> PLEASE EXPLAIN AS TO WHY NACTU LEADERSHIP ESPACIALLY PAC COMRADES HELP
>> VHARARIST LIKE DAN LENGOABLA AND EDWARD THOBEJANE AGAINST PAC COMRADES WHO
>> WERE LEADING MEWUSA?
>>
>> WHAT IS THE SITUATION ABOUT HOTELLICA AND TAWASA,
>>
>> LASTLY, ARE YOU COMRADES INNSACWU ACTIVE IN PALF?
>>
>> ZWE LETHU
>> NDIMA
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Ndima
>>>
>>> The only way is to Join NACTU Affiliates and take up Leadership at all
>>> levels Local, Regional, Provincial ultimately National to mobilize
>>> resources for the party.
>>>
>>> The main challenge is that we are infiltrated by Vhararists whom we
>>> dealing with on daily basis some oppose any ways and means to propagate the
>>> party to the Union membership.
>>>
>>> Absence of Africanist in the NACTU Affiliated unions make it difficult
>>> for us as officials who have no right to make decisions based on Total
>>> Worker Control principle which is the case in SACWU.
>>>
>>> Acting General Secretary is Jetty Edwin Matome Selapisha, President
>>> Mampho Mosehla, National Organiser Bosole Chidi, Officials myself, Lesiba
>>> Lekgoathi, Tumi Modise, Manyoro Lekota, William Matlala pure Africanist
>>> Card carrying members of PAC.
>>>
>>> We made strides in SaCWU PAC is known and PAC leadership always
>>> addresses all National Events, Tembisa Branch have full time PAC spokes
>>> person in SACWU Kgodiswana Rantho.
>>>
>>> About membership I can't comment I am a Branch Organiser based in
>>> Pretoria, Tembisa/Modderfontein is the highest, Mpumalanga is

Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu Masoga

Your view is well understood, it is only through PALF that as PAC we can
coordinate the PACs influence and growth and re-building of a strong NACTU.
AZANYU was able to coordinate the formation of ALCOC that is PALF to build
the PACs influence in trade unions, another great political work done
around 2008--2010 by PALF during Mo'Afrika Mopoholosi, MoAfrika Sthembele
Melusi, Mo'Afrika Kgagudi and MoAfrika Sebei where provincial structures
were formed and there were many national meetings of PALF.

Who is leading PALF, now and where- how do we attend PALF meetings, since
you are an active member? Son of Soil.

WE HOPE TAT YOU WILL SUCCEED AND REBUILDING NACTU AND ITS AFFILIATES

Izwe lethu
Ndima

Lefatshe la Rona
Ndima


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> **
>
> Son
>
> I can't give you any info about other Unions, rest assured it is no one's
> fault that we are inflitrated.
>
> PAC Cadres who contribute monthly to ANC Through C0SATU affiliated Unions,
> some are actively involved in those Unions.
>
> They are Tacnically supporting ANC, while they insult any move within PAC
> to have progress and question anything done within the party.
>
> As for PALF we are part and parcel Son of the Soil.
>
> The question is WHAT can we do for PAC, programmed must be initiated by us
> in our respective Branches in consultation with our Regions.
>
> What are we doing to ensure visibility of the party?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> --
> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:17 +0200
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>
> Mo-Aforika Masoga
>
> THANKS A MIILLION SON OF THE SOIL FOR THE CLARITY.
>
> WHAT HAPPENED WITH MEWUSA BECAUSE IT WAS LED BY YOUNG, MILITANT AND
> CAPABLE LEADERSHIP MAJORITY WHERE ONCE PAC AND PASMA LEADERS. AND ALSO
> PLEASE EXPLAIN AS TO WHY NACTU LEADERSHIP ESPACIALLY PAC COMRADES HELP
> VHARARIST LIKE DAN LENGOABLA AND EDWARD THOBEJANE AGAINST PAC COMRADES WHO
> WERE LEADING MEWUSA?
>
> WHAT IS THE SITUATION ABOUT HOTELLICA AND TAWASA,
>
> LASTLY, ARE YOU COMRADES INNSACWU ACTIVE IN PALF?
>
> ZWE LETHU
> NDIMA
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Ndima
>>
>> The only way is to Join NACTU Affiliates and take up Leadership at all
>> levels Local, Regional, Provincial ultimately National to mobilize
>> resources for the party.
>>
>> The main challenge is that we are infiltrated by Vhararists whom we
>> dealing with on daily basis some oppose any ways and means to propagate the
>> party to the Union membership.
>>
>> Absence of Africanist in the NACTU Affiliated unions make it difficult
>> for us as officials who have no right to make decisions based on Total
>> Worker Control principle which is the case in SACWU.
>>
>> Acting General Secretary is Jetty Edwin Matome Selapisha, President
>> Mampho Mosehla, National Organiser Bosole Chidi, Officials myself, Lesiba
>> Lekgoathi, Tumi Modise, Manyoro Lekota, William Matlala pure Africanist
>> Card carrying members of PAC.
>>
>> We made strides in SaCWU PAC is known and PAC leadership always addresses
>> all National Events, Tembisa Branch have full time PAC spokes person in
>> SACWU Kgodiswana Rantho.
>>
>> About membership I can't comment I am a Branch Organiser based in
>> Pretoria, Tembisa/Modderfontein is the highest, Mpumalanga is the second
>> highest in SACWU so members come and go and service is anything by members.
>>
>> I can't guarantee that we are having the same vision on propagating PAC
>> at all Levels but CADRES known to all I suppose do.
>>
>> Nactu I can't comment much due to the fact that there is no Local in
>> Pretoria & due to scarcity of Africanists in affiliates we will be
>> similarly led by Vhararists or apolitical cowards whho will block every
>> effort to propagate PAC.
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Mphiri Masoga
>> SACWU
>> --
>> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
>> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:22:22 +0200
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>>
>> M'Afrika Masoga, with you experience in NACTU and SACWU what can we PAC
>> members do to grow and bring militancy in NACTU and SACWU including other
>> affiliates?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Bongani Keith wrote:

Re: [PAYCO] PAC'S FATE IS DETERMINE AT NEO-COLONIAL COURTS

2013-09-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe Lethu! Fikiswa




On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Fikiswa Ntshwanti wrote:

> MÁfrika, the PAC slogan is Izwe lethu, the next time you write Zwe lethu,
> I'll take you to court.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Tongogara Ndima <
> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Zwe lethu
>>
>> After the 11th and 18th May NEC Meetings, PAC President Letlapa Mphahlele
>> and Secretary General both supported by an NEC grouping(s) loyal or
>> supporting them. These PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in 2012 July
>> just after the lapse of 10 months had gone from one court to another
>> seeking court's interventions to resolve party political problems instead
>> to of convene an annual national conference in July 2013 to explain and
>> account to PAC branches and members, why in the past 12 months since the
>> Butterworth National Congress there has been no political and
>> organisational progress in the PAC. These leaders prefers not to account at
>> and in a PAC Conference by using courts to settle party internal political
>> disagreements. If Letlapa or Narius is wrong and has caused damage in the
>> PAC, evidence must be presented at the conference and the conference as the
>> highest decision body should decide.
>>
>> Instead the PAC NEC members allowed themselves to draggedand pulled by
>> the nose by Letlapa and his former Party Builder Narius, ever since court
>> battles there has been no coordination of PAC activities, in other words
>> the entire PAC is standstill and going nowhere. Both NEC groupings are
>> waiting for the 1st and 7th OCtober court ruling where the PAC fate will be
>> decided, the question is, "WILL BOTH NEC GROUPINGS ACCEPT THE HIGH COURT
>> OUTCOMES AND START FOCUSING ON PARTY BUILDING OR NOT?
>>
>> This question in other words asks, if Letlapa losses the case will he
>> accept the ruling and outcomes? or
>>
>> if Narius losses the leave of appeal will he accept the court outcomes
>> and ruling?
>>
>> Either way, what will PAC members and branches do if the infighting and
>> divisions continues including parallel structures in almost all provinces?
>>
>> We will see after the 1st OCTOBER next week Tuesday!
>>
>> Zwe lethu
>> Ndima
>>
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[PAYCO] PAC'S FATE IS DETERMINE AT NEO-COLONIAL COURTS

2013-09-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Zwe lethu

After the 11th and 18th May NEC Meetings, PAC President Letlapa Mphahlele
and Secretary General both supported by an NEC grouping(s) loyal or
supporting them. These PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in 2012 July
just after the lapse of 10 months had gone from one court to another
seeking court's interventions to resolve party political problems instead
to of convene an annual national conference in July 2013 to explain and
account to PAC branches and members, why in the past 12 months since the
Butterworth National Congress there has been no political and
organisational progress in the PAC. These leaders prefers not to account at
and in a PAC Conference by using courts to settle party internal political
disagreements. If Letlapa or Narius is wrong and has caused damage in the
PAC, evidence must be presented at the conference and the conference as the
highest decision body should decide.

Instead the PAC NEC members allowed themselves to draggedand pulled by the
nose by Letlapa and his former Party Builder Narius, ever since court
battles there has been no coordination of PAC activities, in other words
the entire PAC is standstill and going nowhere. Both NEC groupings are
waiting for the 1st and 7th OCtober court ruling where the PAC fate will be
decided, the question is, "WILL BOTH NEC GROUPINGS ACCEPT THE HIGH COURT
OUTCOMES AND START FOCUSING ON PARTY BUILDING OR NOT?

This question in other words asks, if Letlapa losses the case will he
accept the ruling and outcomes? or

if Narius losses the leave of appeal will he accept the court outcomes and
ruling?

Either way, what will PAC members and branches do if the infighting and
divisions continues including parallel structures in almost all provinces?

We will see after the 1st OCTOBER next week Tuesday!

Zwe lethu
Ndima

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Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-26 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Mo-Aforika Masoga

THANKS A MIILLION SON OF THE SOIL FOR THE CLARITY.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH MEWUSA BECAUSE IT WAS LED BY YOUNG, MILITANT AND CAPABLE
LEADERSHIP MAJORITY WHERE ONCE PAC AND PASMA LEADERS. AND ALSO
PLEASE EXPLAIN AS TO WHY NACTU LEADERSHIP ESPACIALLY PAC COMRADES HELP
VHARARIST LIKE DAN LENGOABLA AND EDWARD THOBEJANE AGAINST PAC COMRADES WHO
WERE LEADING MEWUSA?

WHAT IS THE SITUATION ABOUT HOTELLICA AND TAWASA,

LASTLY, ARE YOU COMRADES INNSACWU ACTIVE IN PALF?

ZWE LETHU
NDIMA


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> **
> Ndima
>
> The only way is to Join NACTU Affiliates and take up Leadership at all
> levels Local, Regional, Provincial ultimately National to mobilize
> resources for the party.
>
> The main challenge is that we are infiltrated by Vhararists whom we
> dealing with on daily basis some oppose any ways and means to propagate the
> party to the Union membership.
>
> Absence of Africanist in the NACTU Affiliated unions make it difficult for
> us as officials who have no right to make decisions based on Total Worker
> Control principle which is the case in SACWU.
>
> Acting General Secretary is Jetty Edwin Matome Selapisha, President Mampho
> Mosehla, National Organiser Bosole Chidi, Officials myself, Lesiba
> Lekgoathi, Tumi Modise, Manyoro Lekota, William Matlala pure Africanist
> Card carrying members of PAC.
>
> We made strides in SaCWU PAC is known and PAC leadership always addresses
> all National Events, Tembisa Branch have full time PAC spokes person in
> SACWU Kgodiswana Rantho.
>
> About membership I can't comment I am a Branch Organiser based in
> Pretoria, Tembisa/Modderfontein is the highest, Mpumalanga is the second
> highest in SACWU so members come and go and service is anything by members.
>
> I can't guarantee that we are having the same vision on propagating PAC at
> all Levels but CADRES known to all I suppose do.
>
> Nactu I can't comment much due to the fact that there is no Local in
> Pretoria & due to scarcity of Africanists in affiliates we will be
> similarly led by Vhararists or apolitical cowards whho will block every
> effort to propagate PAC.
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
> --
> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:22:22 +0200
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>
> M'Afrika Masoga, with you experience in NACTU and SACWU what can we PAC
> members do to grow and bring militancy in NACTU and SACWU including other
> affiliates?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Bongani Keith wrote:
>
>> Cadre Masoga we must applaud the good work you are doing in SACWU in
>> union been controlled by workers not what we are seeing in other
>> unions like BCAWU as a recent good example!
>>
>> On 9/20/13, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
>> > Hi Ndima
>> >
>> > I may speak of SACWU, negotiating with Ceppwawu & GIwusa in the chemical
>> > Sector. Always we have both unions fighting over their splinter problems
>> > even 2013 Wage Negotiations we had the same problems but SACWU is
>> leading
>> > both unions.
>> >
>> > NACTU policy is that decisions are taken by workers not officials not
>> NEC
>> > not NOB and not GS. From where I stand it is NACTU policy that all
>> > Affiliates are supposed to be Worker Control and SACWU is one that is
>> purely
>> > worker control.
>> >
>> > We have not yet  fully have functioning structures in place.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind Regards
>> >
>> > Mphiri Masoga
>> > SACWU
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Bongani Keith 
>> > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:16:52
>> > To: 
>> > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>> >
>> > I have been informed by such victory of workers under NUM while BCAWU
>> > accepted meagre increase that vindicates the notion of many we
>> > strongly know that workers struggles in comprador burgeous comrades
>> > who sleep with corporate bosses which is NUM, BCAWU & etc are examples
>> > of such in this case NUM is a victor against BCAWU it's a crucial
>> > lesson for revolutionaries.
>> >
>> > On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
>> >> Izwe lethu M'Afrika
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Comrade Masoga and BCAWU comrades please clarify this statement, some
>&g

Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika Masoga, with you experience in NACTU and SACWU what can we PAC
members do to grow and bring militancy in NACTU and SACWU including other
affiliates?


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Bongani Keith  wrote:

> Cadre Masoga we must applaud the good work you are doing in SACWU in
> union been controlled by workers not what we are seeing in other
> unions like BCAWU as a recent good example!
>
> On 9/20/13, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:
> > Hi Ndima
> >
> > I may speak of SACWU, negotiating with Ceppwawu & GIwusa in the chemical
> > Sector. Always we have both unions fighting over their splinter problems
> > even 2013 Wage Negotiations we had the same problems but SACWU is leading
> > both unions.
> >
> > NACTU policy is that decisions are taken by workers not officials not NEC
> > not NOB and not GS. From where I stand it is NACTU policy that all
> > Affiliates are supposed to be Worker Control and SACWU is one that is
> purely
> > worker control.
> >
> > We have not yet  fully have functioning structures in place.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Mphiri Masoga
> > SACWU
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bongani Keith 
> > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:16:52
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
> >
> > I have been informed by such victory of workers under NUM while BCAWU
> > accepted meagre increase that vindicates the notion of many we
> > strongly know that workers struggles in comprador burgeous comrades
> > who sleep with corporate bosses which is NUM, BCAWU & etc are examples
> > of such in this case NUM is a victor against BCAWU it's a crucial
> > lesson for revolutionaries.
> >
> > On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
> >> Izwe lethu M'Afrika
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Comrade Masoga and BCAWU comrades please clarify this statement, some of
> >> us
> >> are worried because it seems NACTU and its affiliates have become yellow
> >> trade union not fighting exploitation of workers.
> >>
> >> The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) has yet again scored a major
> >> victory in the construction sector, persuading employers through a three
> >> week long hard-hitting strike action to accede to further increases. The
> >> construction companies had earlier entered into a wage agreement with
> the
> >> Building, Construction and Allied Workers Union (BCAWU) for an increase
> >> of
> >> between 8 and 10% which the NUM rejected. The construction companies as
> >> represented by the South African Federation of Civil Engineering
> >> Contractors (SAFCEC) yesterday acceded to the NUM ‘s demands and granted
> >> the workers increments of up to 12%, ending the three week long strike
> >> action that halted major power built programmes. “This is a major
> victory
> >> for us. Our members stood firm and we congratulate them for the
> firmness”
> >> says Isaac Ntshangase, the NUM ‘s Construction Sector Coordinator.
> >> “Workers
> >> were able to see who is fooling whom and joined the NUM massively from
> >> BCAWU” he says.
> >>
> >> And can you also explain if NACTU and all its affiliates will support
> and
> >> campaign workers to vote PAC next year elections!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Izwe
> >>
> >> Ndima
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Mphiri Masoga 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Check Dedoorens land issue discussion.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards
> >>>
> >>> Mphiri Masoga
> >>> SACWU
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: "Mphiri Masoga" 
> >>> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:40:06
> >>> To: ; Sbusiso Xaba; Albert
> >>> Mokoena<
> >>> mokoen...@workmail.co.za>; <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; Nkrumah
> Raymond
> >>> Kgagudi; ; g...@bcawu.co.za<
> >>> g...@bcawu.co.za>; Jabu Makhanya; Thulani
> Khumalo<
> >>> tkhumal...@yahoo.com>; payco@googlegroups.com;
> <
> >>> pactshw...@googlegroup.co.>
> >>> Reply-To: mphi...@gmail.com
> >>> Subject: Fw: REGISTER at our nearest IEC...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> REGISTER at our nearest IEC offices! It is your right to vote
> >>> #2014

Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika,

if we are not careful we will do what we did in the past, that is, we
complained about Letlapa destroying PAC since 2006 QwaQwa Congress, very
soon we will complain about Narius destroying PAC before as a party builder
and after since Butterworth Congress.

This can't go on like this.

Zwe lethu
Ndima


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tongogara Ndima
wrote:

> M'Afrika Keith, you are correct, we cannot allow both Letlapa and Narius
> to divide PAC and party component structures, if we are careful 2014
> national elections PAC will be embarrassed and loose the one seat of
> parliament. I fully understand Cde Linda's explanation, we know that in
> Gauteng Smoll Zondo was influenced by some NEC members to form four five
> branches of PAYCO and rush to the PAYCO Congress just to take NEC
> leadership position. Smoll Zondo and his Secretary Eddie Mfulwane are just
> used as voting cattle by Narius and his NEC Group, their PAYCO NEC is
> ideologically empty and without programmes except to form branches. Pitso
> Mpasha is another victim of Letlapa, a voting cattle and both Pisto-Zondo
> are effectively used to drive factional programmes.
>
> I believe both Zondo, Pitso and other youths members of PAYCO are young
> talented comrades sadly misled PAC youths used by older party members. They
> need support and guidance, that is where Cde Masho, Cde Mbara and Cde Linda
> come in, another lost soul it seems it is Cde Sbu Xaba is also taken by the
> Narius spirit ever since the comrade stood for PAC Presidency at
> Butterworth Congress misled by Justice Xola and Nofuma.
>
> PAC deserves to be rescued majoni!
>
> Zwe lethu!
> Ndima
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bongani Keith wrote:
>
>> Revolutionary greetings, what cadre Tongora raises it is a thorny
>> subject in the youth of the PAC while we've observed the issues in the
>> era of Letlapa with PACYL now in the era of Narius they quickly used
>> former PASMA NEC members Eddy and Small to cease power within PAYCO at
>> all cost to continue with division in the youth. This is attributed to
>> the lack of insight in the above hinted comrades and the ideological
>> confusion they possess while even leading the student movement, that
>> indicates failer from the comrades of PAC especially those who have
>> served in youth structures to guide and show direction where it is
>> neccesary.
>>
>> On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
>> > COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
>> > Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is
>> on
>> > the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
>> > like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
>> > enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity,
>> after
>> > two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this
>> country!
>> > The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
>> > their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as
>> former
>> > PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
>> > direction to these lost souls
>> >
>> > Zwe lethu
>> > Ndima
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli <
>> > sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are
>> >> going
>> >> to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to
>> >> branches?
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
>> >> structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict
>> >> would
>> >> be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
>> >> youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala
>> constitution
>> >> is
>> >> reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown
>> to
>> >> the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and
>> >> Butterworth
>> >> was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have
>> come
>> >> with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
>> >> return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
>> >> members he chased away from our beloved movement.   
>> >>
>> >

Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

M'Afrika Keith, you are correct, we cannot allow both Letlapa and Narius to
divide PAC and party component structures, if we are careful 2014 national
elections PAC will be embarrassed and loose the one seat of parliament. I
fully understand Cde Linda's explanation, we know that in Gauteng Smoll
Zondo was influenced by some NEC members to form four five branches of
PAYCO and rush to the PAYCO Congress just to take NEC leadership position.
Smoll Zondo and his Secretary Eddie Mfulwane are just used as voting cattle
by Narius and his NEC Group, their PAYCO NEC is ideologically empty and
without programmes except to form branches. Pitso Mpasha is another victim
of Letlapa, a voting cattle and both Pisto-Zondo are effectively used to
drive factional programmes.

I believe both Zondo, Pitso and other youths members of PAYCO are young
talented comrades sadly misled PAC youths used by older party members. They
need support and guidance, that is where Cde Masho, Cde Mbara and Cde Linda
come in, another lost soul it seems it is Cde Sbu Xaba is also taken by the
Narius spirit ever since the comrade stood for PAC Presidency at
Butterworth Congress misled by Justice Xola and Nofuma.

PAC deserves to be rescued majoni!

Zwe lethu!
Ndima




On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bongani Keith  wrote:

> Revolutionary greetings, what cadre Tongora raises it is a thorny
> subject in the youth of the PAC while we've observed the issues in the
> era of Letlapa with PACYL now in the era of Narius they quickly used
> former PASMA NEC members Eddy and Small to cease power within PAYCO at
> all cost to continue with division in the youth. This is attributed to
> the lack of insight in the above hinted comrades and the ideological
> confusion they possess while even leading the student movement, that
> indicates failer from the comrades of PAC especially those who have
> served in youth structures to guide and show direction where it is
> neccesary.
>
> On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
> > COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
> > Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is on
> > the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
> > like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
> > enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity,
> after
> > two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this
> country!
> > The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
> > their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as
> former
> > PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
> > direction to these lost souls
> >
> > Zwe lethu
> > Ndima
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli <
> > sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are
> >> going
> >> to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to
> >> branches?
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
> >> structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict
> >> would
> >> be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
> >> youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala constitution
> >> is
> >> reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown to
> >> the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and
> >> Butterworth
> >> was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have come
> >> with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
> >> return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
> >> members he chased away from our beloved movement.   
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> It is so interesting that the elders are the ones that perpetuate the
> >> parallel structures. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of
> >> the
> >> factions involved but on bringing the solution. I want us to convince
> >> each
> >> other and decide whether the meeting in Limpopo is constitutional as per
> >> the constitution of PAYCO which we never abandoned like the PACYL did
> >> after
> >> Fort Hare congress. 
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> If what happened in Durban was not constitutional as per the claims of
> >> Wandi and others, I think only provinces that were there can raise that.
> >

Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Linda and Mandyoli

What must be done? Do we leave PAYCO divided or what? We know that Narius
and Letlapa will not unite these PAYCO members!

Zwe lethu
Ndima


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, linda ndebele
wrote:

> **
> Cde Ndima,
>
> One of the things I detest most is factionalism and creation of parallel
> structures. To avoid creation of parallel structures despite the fact the
> Newcastle PAYCO Congress was not properly constituted and having resolved
> as NEC that we were adjourning Conference, when comrades rejected such such
> a decision and resolved to elect a new leadership we resolved not to
> challenge such a decision as we could have not allow PAYCO to be divided at
> our watch.
>
> For the sake of unity, progress and harmony in the functioning of PAYCO
> and PAC we surrendered power gracefully. Those who know how resilient we
> are for what we believe in were amazed how we gave in that easily. We did
> it for the sake of the party. We had to take ownership of the
> organisational and admistrative failours that led to the collapse of the
> Newcastle Congress.
>
> I wish we can take your advise and convene such a meeting but the
> challenge is that the motherbody itself is behind these shenanigans.
> Culture of Personality Cult has found root in the PAC and in its component
> structures particularly the youth section.
> Linda Ndebele
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> --
> *From: * Tongogara Ndima 
> *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:16:03 +0200
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21
> September 2013.
>
> COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
> Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is on
> the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
> like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
> enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity, after
> two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this country!
> The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
> their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as former
> PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
> direction to these lost souls
>
> Zwe lethu
> Ndima
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli <
> sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are
>> going to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to
>> branches?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
>> structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict would
>> be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
>> youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala constitution is
>> reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown to
>> the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and Butterworth
>> was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have come
>> with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
>> return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
>> members he chased away from our beloved movement.   
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It is so interesting that the elders are the ones that perpetuate the
>> parallel structures. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of the
>> factions involved but on bringing the solution. I want us to convince each
>> other and decide whether the meeting in Limpopo is constitutional as per
>> the constitution of PAYCO which we never abandoned like the PACYL did after
>> Fort Hare congress. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If what happened in Durban was not constitutional as per the claims of
>> Wandi and others, I think only provinces that were there can raise that. I
>> was personally not in Durban but my branch and provinces were there and we
>> had to swallow a bitter pill for the benefit of taking the party forward.
>> The decisions taken in Durban are binding to me until the next properly
>> constituted congress or conference of PAYCO. The office of the organizer
>> (Wandi Montjane) was instrumental in the formation of parallel structures
>> within APLAMVA, I had warned many that the next stop was to be PAYCO (that
>> is happening now), tomorrow it will be PASMA. The same

Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu M'Afrika Masoga

In reality NACTU operates like FEDUSA, it is interesting to hear that NACTU
and SACWU operates on the PRINCIPLE OF WORKER CONTROL  because by the look
of things it looks like this WORKER CONTROL PRINCIPLE is on paper. Is NACTU
having a Central Committee because if NACTU operates according to the
principle of WORKER CONTROL workers in affiliates should be involved in
driving the affairs of the Federation NACTU through Provincial and Regional
Committees of NACTU. If workers are involved, we know workers demand
political change, why is NACTU silent on everything happening in the
country?

Under Cunningham Ngcukana and James Mdlalose NACTU was militant and able to
articulate progressive policy positions but ever since Cunningham left
NACTU is just a disaster with only one administrator in a small head office
as the only employee, the question is where is monthly workers
subscriptions paid to NACTU going?

In the Chemical, Petroleum and FMCG industries SACWU is known as a strike
breaker and a sweetheart of employer! Are you also aware that SACWU lost
more than 500 members in Twickenham next to Burgersfort and also Supreme
Spring SACWU lost more than 700 members because of poor service and
refusal (and suppression) to go on strike as demanded by workers. AT AEL
not far from Tembisa SACWU members are resigning joining CEPPWAWU and
GIWUSA reason being poor service. In Secunda there are so many workers
under labour brokers what has SACWU done nothing organise and fight against
labour brokers.

Is SACWU President and NOBs PAC members? if yes what is their problem? We
do not even know who is the GS of SACWU or President?

Lastly is SACWU going to support and campaign for PAC next year 2014
elections? what is SACWU's position on the issue of aligning and support
PAC in both material and non-material terms?

Zwe lethu
Ndima

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> Hi Ndima
>
> I may speak of SACWU, negotiating with Ceppwawu & GIwusa in the chemical
> Sector. Always we have both unions fighting over their splinter problems
> even 2013 Wage Negotiations we had the same problems but SACWU is leading
> both unions.
>
> NACTU policy is that decisions are taken by workers not officials not NEC
> not NOB and not GS. From where I stand it is NACTU policy that all
> Affiliates are supposed to be Worker Control and SACWU is one that is
> purely worker control.
>
> We have not yet  fully have functioning structures in place.
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bongani Keith 
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:16:52
> To: 
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2
>
> I have been informed by such victory of workers under NUM while BCAWU
> accepted meagre increase that vindicates the notion of many we
> strongly know that workers struggles in comprador burgeous comrades
> who sleep with corporate bosses which is NUM, BCAWU & etc are examples
> of such in this case NUM is a victor against BCAWU it's a crucial
> lesson for revolutionaries.
>
> On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima  wrote:
> > Izwe lethu M'Afrika
> >
> >
> >
> > Comrade Masoga and BCAWU comrades please clarify this statement, some of
> us
> > are worried because it seems NACTU and its affiliates have become yellow
> > trade union not fighting exploitation of workers.
> >
> > The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) has yet again scored a major
> > victory in the construction sector, persuading employers through a three
> > week long hard-hitting strike action to accede to further increases. The
> > construction companies had earlier entered into a wage agreement with the
> > Building, Construction and Allied Workers Union (BCAWU) for an increase
> of
> > between 8 and 10% which the NUM rejected. The construction companies as
> > represented by the South African Federation of Civil Engineering
> > Contractors (SAFCEC) yesterday acceded to the NUM ‘s demands and granted
> > the workers increments of up to 12%, ending the three week long strike
> > action that halted major power built programmes. “This is a major victory
> > for us. Our members stood firm and we congratulate them for the firmness”
> > says Isaac Ntshangase, the NUM ‘s Construction Sector Coordinator.
> “Workers
> > were able to see who is fooling whom and joined the NUM massively from
> > BCAWU” he says.
> >
> > And can you also explain if NACTU and all its affiliates will support and
> > campaign workers to vote PAC next year elections!
> >
> >
> >
> > Izwe
> >
> > Ndima
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 201

Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is on
the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity, after
two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this country!
The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as former
PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
direction to these lost souls

Zwe lethu
Ndima


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli <
sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are going
> to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to branches?
>
> ** **
>
> Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
> structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict would
> be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
> youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala constitution is
> reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown to
> the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and Butterworth
> was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have come
> with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
> return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
> members he chased away from our beloved movement.   
>
> ** **
>
> It is so interesting that the elders are the ones that perpetuate the
> parallel structures. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of the
> factions involved but on bringing the solution. I want us to convince each
> other and decide whether the meeting in Limpopo is constitutional as per
> the constitution of PAYCO which we never abandoned like the PACYL did after
> Fort Hare congress. 
>
> ** **
>
> If what happened in Durban was not constitutional as per the claims of
> Wandi and others, I think only provinces that were there can raise that. I
> was personally not in Durban but my branch and provinces were there and we
> had to swallow a bitter pill for the benefit of taking the party forward.
> The decisions taken in Durban are binding to me until the next properly
> constituted congress or conference of PAYCO. The office of the organizer
> (Wandi Montjane) was instrumental in the formation of parallel structures
> within APLAMVA, I had warned many that the next stop was to be PAYCO (that
> is happening now), tomorrow it will be PASMA. The same people that force an
> unconstitutional PAYCO conference used to say PAYCO is ROYCO and today it
> is a fashion for them to be called PAYCO Coordinators.
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> I ask myself what is there to gain in all this confusion for elderly
> people like Mr. Montjane and others. What can we do to eliminate this
> cancer of factionalism and parallel structures? 
>
> ** **
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Re: [PAYCO] Fw: REGISTER at our nearest IEC...

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MoAFrika Mphiri, your energy is encouraging but one thing you are missing
noble son of soil is that the PAC NEC choose to fight among each other
instead of focusing on planning for 2014 National Elections, other
political parties are all over the media mobilising the people and
encouraging people to register to vote but where is Mpethi-Moloto NEC? We
can also ask where is Letlapa's NEC? Both Letlapa and Moloto can encourage
PAC members to fight against EACH OTHER BUT THEY ARE FAILING TO PUT
RESOURCES AND THEIR TIME TO ORGANISE PAC MEMBERS AGAINST THE ANC, WHY?

MMINA, I BELIEVE THAT THE EARLIER WE REMOVE BOTH NARIUS AND LETLAPA NEC
GROUPING THE BETTER TO SAVE PAC! PAC HAS YOUNG, TALENTED AND WILLING
LEADERS TO TAKE US FORWARD! WITH LETLAPA AND MOLOTO FIGHTINGS WE ARE
WASTING OUR PRECIOUS TIME!

SMALL PARTIES LIKE EFF WILL GET MORE VOTES THAN PAC BECAUSE IN PAC WE ARE
FIGHTING FIGHTS OF LETLAPA AGAINST MOLOTO AND FIGHTS OF MOLOTO AGAINST
LETLAPA.

LETLAPA MUST ACCOUNT FOR ALL PAC MONIES OF IEC AND PARLIAMENTARY FUNDING!
AND ALSO MOLOTO AND JOKO MUST EXPLAIN AND ACCOUNT FOR ALL THE PAC MONIES
BECAUSE THE TWO WHEN DIRECTLY IN CHARGE OF PAC ACCOUNTS ALL ALONG BEFORE
THE END OF MAY 2013.

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

>
> REGISTER at our nearest IEC offices! It is your right to vote
> #2014Elections! Please register and vote PAC! SMS YES for PAC to contact or
> visit you in your area.
>
> Can we attempt and Register with all networks to fund raise for 2014
> elections.
>
> Those with good IT skills can you come on board and assist?
>
> I have learned from Vhararists who send it to my wife.
>
> We can also send sms'es to all NACTU Affiliates, Friends, Neighbours & all
> we know.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
>
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Re: [PAYCO] Structures

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MoAfrika Makhanya, you are 100% correct Muendane does not belong to a PAC
branch and NEC members are elected not appointed. We condemned Letlapa for
disregarding the PAC Constitution, today Narius Moloto is doing the same
thing.I wish PAC members should stop following individual leaders and
should follow what the PAC Constitution says! Now Mpethi and Moloto have
unilaterally appointed these comrade to be NEC members Muendane, Mattera,
Maqhekeni and Fihla (National Chairperson) without a mandate from the
August Conference in Birchwood.

Were is Justice, Nofuma, Rakoma, Mohlomphegi and other NEC members? IT
SEEMS NOW THEY HAVE DISSAPPEARED AND GONE TO NOWHERE! THEY MADE MPHETHI A
PRESIDENT AND THE MAN CANNOT EVEN EXPRESS HIMSELF, IN PARLIAMENT HE IS AS
QUIET AS LETLAPA!

AS PAC WITH ALL THIS HAPPENING, WE MUST JUST FORGET ABOUT THE 2014 NATIONAL
ELECTIONS.

Izwe
Ndima


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM, jabumakha...@yahoo.com <
jabumakha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I m of the view that any structure or branch of the PAC can be formulated
> by the card-carrying members. It has been an on-going nasty trend by some
> individuals to deliberately not issuing membership cards to applicants for
> selfish reasons. Many are still awaiting to be issued with membership cards
> for more than six years and there is no clear indication whether they will
> ever receive any or their funds will be returned. So people should not shun
> critics and use the so called  non-existence of structures as a shield. In
> recent Boksburg gathering, people in the likes of Michael Muendane were the
> main guests. From which structure does Muendane belong? Or he had been
> ropped in. When l recall very well, during his tenure as the PAC
> secretary-general, he could not account to R150, 000 IEC funds. In some of
> his radio-talk shows, he publicly declared that he'd quit politics and
> stressed that ideological politics were no longer fundamental.
>  Furthermore, l'll suggest that the debate on structures be put aside
> because if there were any stable structures, we wouldn't have convened the
> so called Butterworth congress without a credible credential status.
>
>
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Re: [PAYCO] LAND DISCUSSION SABC 2

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Comrade Masoga and BCAWU comrades please clarify this statement, some of us
are worried because it seems NACTU and its affiliates have become yellow
trade union not fighting exploitation of workers.

The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) has yet again scored a major
victory in the construction sector, persuading employers through a three
week long hard-hitting strike action to accede to further increases. The
construction companies had earlier entered into a wage agreement with the
Building, Construction and Allied Workers Union (BCAWU) for an increase of
between 8 and 10% which the NUM rejected. The construction companies as
represented by the South African Federation of Civil Engineering
Contractors (SAFCEC) yesterday acceded to the NUM ‘s demands and granted
the workers increments of up to 12%, ending the three week long strike
action that halted major power built programmes. “This is a major victory
for us. Our members stood firm and we congratulate them for the firmness”
says Isaac Ntshangase, the NUM ‘s Construction Sector Coordinator. “Workers
were able to see who is fooling whom and joined the NUM massively from
BCAWU” he says.

And can you also explain if NACTU and all its affiliates will support and
campaign workers to vote PAC next year elections!

Izwe

Ndima

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

>
> Check Dedoorens land issue discussion.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mphiri Masoga" 
> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:40:06
> To: ; Sbusiso Xaba; Albert Mokoena<
> mokoen...@workmail.co.za>; <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; Nkrumah Raymond
> Kgagudi; ; g...@bcawu.co.za<
> g...@bcawu.co.za>; Jabu Makhanya; Thulani Khumalo<
> tkhumal...@yahoo.com>; payco@googlegroups.com; <
> pactshw...@googlegroup.co.>
> Reply-To: mphi...@gmail.com
> Subject: Fw: REGISTER at our nearest IEC...
>
>
> REGISTER at our nearest IEC offices! It is your right to vote
> #2014Elections! Please register and vote PAC! SMS YES for PAC to contact or
> visit you in your area.
>
> Can we attempt and Register with all networks to fund raise for 2014
> elections.
>
> Those with good IT skills can you come on board and assist?
>
> I have learned from Vhararists who send it to my wife.
>
> We can also send sms'es to all NACTU Affiliates, Friends, Neighbours & all
> we know.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
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[PAYCO] Re: The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community

2013-08-12 Thread Tongogara Ndima

ANd lastly, MOAFORIKA TUMEDISO MODISE BECAUSE YOUR PEC COME OUT OF A
FCATIONALLY ORGANISED PROVINCIAL CONGRESS HOW DOES IT INTEND TO UNITE
DIVIDED PAC IN GAUTENG PROVINCE?

MAJORITY OF BRANCHES FROM JOHANNESBURG REGION, SEDIBENG AND EASTRAND REGION
DID NOT ATTEND THE PROVINCIAL CONGRESS ORGANISED BY MOLOTO'S FACTION.

THABO MOTHELO WAS NOT APPOINTED DEMOCRATICALLY BY BRANCHES OR REGIONS TO
COORDINATE THE GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONGRESS SO MOTHELO INVITED ONLY HIS
FACTIONAL FRIENDS. REMEMBERS ALSO THAT MOTHELO LEFT WITH THAMI KA PLAATJIE
AND FORMED PAM.



On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Tongogara Ndima
wrote:

> Izwe lethu MoAforika Tumediso Modise
>
> Trust me I DO KNOW you VERY WELL, YOU AND MoAforika Mbaduli used to work
> together in PALF and frequent PAC HEAD OFFICE SALU BUILDING when Ntate Ata
> Kgosana was the National Organiser and you also campaigned for Thami ka
> PLaatjie to be the Secretary General of the PAC. IF I am not WONG, you once
> served in the GAUTENG PROVINCE PEC! YOU Were A PALF SECRETARY FOR A VERY
> LONG TIME.
>
> The reason I Could not attend it is because I based in Mpumalanga now, but
> majority branches in Gauteng did not attend the so-called Gauteng
> Provincial Congress because it was organised by Nariu's faction and this
> you know. AbOUT Section 15,  The best advice I will give you is UNITE PAC
> BRANCHES AND MEMBERS IN GAUTENG AND DO NOT DECEIVE YOURSELF ABOUT
> INDISCPLINE IN THE PAC, WE NO LONGER KNOW WHO IS NO INDISCPLINE BECAUSE
> SOME MEMBERS SUPPORT LETLAPA AND OTHERS LIKE YOU SUPPORT NARIUS, so there
> is no progress in the PAC.
>
> MOAFORIKA TUMEDISO, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER PAC IS ORGANISATIONALLY DEAD!
> THE LETLAPA DID HIS PART, NOW MOLOTO IS FINSIHING OFF THE REMAING OR LEFT
> OVERS.
>
> Lefase la Rona, ngwana setshaba
> Ndima
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Tumediso Modise <
> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za> wrote:
>
>>   Mo-Afrika Tongogara,
>>
>> Good day noble son, your response of which we thank you is noted.
>>
>> I am not quite sure what you mean by “ Narius group “ and why you think
>> requesting Mo-Afrika Kgagudi, who I believe is a disciplined member of the
>> PAC, to assist in co-ordinating a particular process is tantamount to “
>> demanding things from Kgagudi “ as you claim?
>>
>> Further, I do not know how close do you know the involvement of Mo-Afrika
>> Kgagudi in the PAC. Just in case you are not fully informed, he was the
>> President of PASMA and later became the National Treasurer of the PAC
>> during the presidency of Mo-Afrika Doctor Motsoko Pheko. He was introduced
>> by me in the labour movement and he became active in the activities of the
>> *Pan* *Africanist* *Labour* *Forum* ( *PALF* ), PAC component structure.
>> The point I am trying to communicate to you is that, as Mo-Afrika Kgagudi
>> was elected in various positions in the PAC, he took and re-took an *oath
>> * *of* *allegiance* of the PAC. In part, the PAC’s Oath of Allegiance
>> state, *‘’ I will irrevocably obey and act upon the orders, commands,
>> instruction and directions of the NEC of the PAC “.* Now, the request we
>> made to Mo-Afrika Kgagudi was not coming from the NEC but from the Office
>> of the PAC Provincial Secretary in Gauteng. This means it was coming from
>> the PAC Gauteng Provincial Executive Committee ( PEC ) which is the
>> political authority within the Province. Within this context therefore,
>> although I made a request to him, I do believe that, Mo-Afrika Kgagudi as a
>> revolutionary and knowledgeable member of the PAC, understood me very well
>> that he was being commanded to carry-out a task like any member who may be
>> called upon to perform. And although he responded in the manner that he
>> did, personally it did not come out to me as a train smash and I have
>> accepted, as my former leader, his directive as well. I thank him for
>> reverting back to me.
>>
>> You know Mo-Afrika Tongogara, without sounding like I am blowing my own
>> trumpet, me and many ideologically and politically matured and disciplined
>> PAC members in Gauteng Province, we vehemently believe that, PAC belong to
>> all of its members, and therefore, all of us do not only have the
>> revolutionary duty but we equally have constitutional right to participate
>> unhindered in its activities depending our conduct and behaviour is guided
>> by the precinct of the Code of Discipline of the PARTY. At the core of our
>> work in the Province, we will ensure unity within the PAC and that same is
>> sustained. Continued factional tendencies by individuals within the PARTY
>> will be chopped off without ceremony. You and all PA

Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback

2013-08-12 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MOAforika Mothelo

Please Explain WHAT Do YOU MEAN BY SAYING WESTRAND REGION IS THE BIGGEST
ACHIEVER?

LEFATSHE LA RONA
Ndima


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Sbusiso Xaba wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Thabang Mothelo 
> Date: 6 August 2013 06:59
> Subject: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback
> To: Thabang Mothelo 
>
>
> Warm Greetings Pan Africanists,
>
> I sincerely want to thank each of you who participated in the Gauteng
> Provincial Congress.
>
> Whilst a lot was not done as anticipated, whereby we experienced
> historical problematic credentials subject once again, by and large, the
> consensus was made.
>
> Finally, the Congress proceeded after experiencing some technical
> glitches. And the election of leadership ensued as follows:
>
> Newly elected all-inclusive PEC is composed in the following manner:
>
> Chairperson - Mr Lesiba Lekgwathi - Tshwane
> Deo Chair- Mr Mike  Mayende- Jhb
> Secretary- Mr Tumi Modise- West rand
> Dep Sec  - Mr Reuben Rathelele - Tshwane
> Organiser - Ms Poppy- Sedibeng
>
> And all secretariat positions were filled and reflected all the regions.
>
> the biggest achiever was West Rand with minimum delegated
>
> I apologise for not capturing the names of secretariat due to the fact
> that I did not have their names or surname in exception of Cde Poppy.
>
> The newly elected Chair had committed his cabinet to do the following:
>
> (i) hold strategic session to derive working plan towards elections 2014
> (ii) increase stability in the regions
> (iii) work co-cooperatively with all PAC members
>
> I will once again implore on all members to support the newly elected PAC
> Provincial Executive team, lets not only trust they will do the right
> things but let hold them(collectively so) accountable for PAC growth.
>
> Regards,
> Thabo Mothelo
>
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[PAYCO] Re: The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community

2013-08-12 Thread Tongogara Ndima

ope you will be happy to know that, the Gauteng PAC Provincial
> Executive Committee ( PEC ) is to hold its 1st meeting on Saturday 17th
> August 2013 and part of the agenda items is to discuss the need to arrange
> a Provincial Policy Conference, of which will afford people like you an
> opportunity to come and participate actively in its deliberations.
>
> Hope my feedback addresses your specific concerns, Cadre, if yes or not,
> let us keep in contact.
>
> Izwe-Lethu!
>
> *Tumediso Modise ( Tumi )*
> *Provincial Secretary*
> *PAC Gauteng*
> Cell: 072 479 0361
>
>
>
>  *From:* Tongogara Ndima 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 2:36 PM
> *To:* Tumediso Modise 
> *Cc:* Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  ; Mohlomphegi
> Mphahlele  ; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com ;
> payco@googlegroups.com ; Horatio Motjuwadi  ; Jaki
> Seroke  ; g...@nactu.org.za ; Malesela 
> Mogashwa; Mpumelelo
> Rulumente  ; PASMA Gauteng; 
> Advocate
> K Sizani  ; Zamikhaya Gxabe  ;
> jabumakha...@yahoo.com ; Narius Moloto  ;
> kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za ; twa...@pac.org.za ; Zukisa 
> Mxesibe;
> ptob...@yahoo.com ; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za ; ckoms...@yahoo.com ; Azi
> Mnandi  ; Luyanda Gwina  ; Johnson
> Mlambo  ; Joseph Thloloe ; 
> Jerry
> Vakasha  ; Ray Johnson; 
> Julian
> Mohlala  ; Kindo Makhanda; 
> Khethamabala
> Sithole  ; Baliwinile 
> Kwankwa; KK
> Kekana  ; Kgomotso Matsebe  ; 
> Khensani
> Teffu  ; Danny Monareng 
> *Subject:* Re: The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community
>
>  BUT M'AFRIKA TUMI
>
> YOU SHOULD BE HAVING A PROGRAMME ADOPTED BY AT THE GAUTENG PROVINCIAL
> CONGRESS ORGANISED BY NARIUS GROUP NOT DEMANDING THINGS FROM KGAGUDI!
>
> UNLESS IF YOU ARE SAYING, YOU HAVE NO PROGRAMME AND NO IDEAS, THEN ASK
> PROPERLY FROM BO-KGAGUDI TO ASSIST BUT DO NOT MAKE DEMANDS, Son of the Soil.
>
> CAN YOU ALSO HELP US AS PAC MEMBERS, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NACTU? WHY IS
> NACTU NOT SUPPORTING AND ALIGNING ITSELF WITH OUR PAC, MO-AFRIKA TUMEDISO
> MODISE?
>
> IZWE LETHU!
> NDIMA
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Tumediso Modise  > wrote:
>
>>   Dear Mo-Afrika Raymond Kgagudi,
>>
>> Thank you for forwarding the invite from Justice for Pinky Mosiane & *
>> Stop* *Violence* *Against* *Women* *Campaign* to the Gauteng Provincial
>> structure of the *Pan* *Africanist* *Congress* *of* *Azania* *(* *PAC* *)
>> *. Indeed, it is horrible things such as these ones that haunt the
>> downtrodden Azanian women that the PAC cannot afford to remain silent
>> about/on them.
>>
>> The recently elected *Provincial* *Executive* *Committee* ( *PEC* ) of
>> the *PAC* in Gauteng will be holding its first meeting on Saturday 17th
>> August 2013 and the possibility is that, we plan to slot 30 minutes in the
>> agenda and afford the *Stop* *Violence* *Against* *Women* *Campaign* to
>> have a face-to-face engagement on the matter and determine a way-forward,
>> collectively. We therefore request you to forward this response to those
>> who are designated to run with the *Campaign* and to get directly in
>> contact with the undersigned so that we inform them of the venue of the
>> meeting as well as the time they should join us.
>>
>> Izwe-Lethu!
>>
>> *Tumediso Modise ( Tumi )*
>> *Provincial Secretary*
>> *Cell: 072 479 0361*
>> *e-mail address: **tumimod...@hotmail.co.za* *
>> *
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:19 AM
>> *To:* 'Tongogara Ndima'  ; 'Mohlomphegi
>> Mphahlele'  ; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com ;
>> payco@googlegroups.com ; 'Horatio Motjuwadi' ; 
>> 'Jaki
>> Seroke'  ; g...@nactu.org.za ; 'Malesela 
>> Mogashwa'; 'Mpumelelo
>> Rulumente'  ; 'PASMA 
>> Gauteng'; 'Advocate
>> K Sizani'  ; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'  ;
>> jabumakha...@yahoo.com ; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za ; 'Narius 
>> Moloto';
>> kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za ; twa...@pac.org.za ; 'Zukisa 
>> Mxesibe';
>> ptob...@yahoo.com ; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za ; ckoms...@yahoo.com ; 'Azi
>> Mnandi'  ; 'Luyanda Gwina'  ; 'Johnson
>> Mlambo'  ; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 
>> 'Jerry
>> Vakasha'  ; 'Ray 
>> Johnson'; 'Julian
>> Mohlala'  ; 'Kindo 
>> Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
>> Sithole'  ; 'Baliwinile 
>> Kwankwa'; 'KK
>> Kekana'  ; 'Kgomotso Matsebe' ; 
>> 'Khensani
>> Teffu'  ; 'Danny Mona

[PAYCO] Re: The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community

2013-08-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima

BUT M'AFRIKA TUMI

YOU SHOULD BE HAVING A PROGRAMME ADOPTED BY AT THE GAUTENG PROVINCIAL
CONGRESS ORGANISED BY NARIUS GROUP NOT DEMANDING THINGS FROM KGAGUDI!

UNLESS IF YOU ARE SAYING, YOU HAVE NO PROGRAMME AND NO IDEAS, THEN ASK
PROPERLY FROM BO-KGAGUDI TO ASSIST BUT DO NOT MAKE DEMANDS, Son of the Soil.

CAN YOU ALSO HELP US AS PAC MEMBERS, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NACTU? WHY IS
NACTU NOT SUPPORTING AND ALIGNING ITSELF WITH OUR PAC, MO-AFRIKA TUMEDISO
MODISE?

IZWE LETHU!
NDIMA


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Tumediso Modise
wrote:

>   Dear Mo-Afrika Raymond Kgagudi,
>
> Thank you for forwarding the invite from Justice for Pinky Mosiane & *Stop
> * *Violence* *Against* *Women* *Campaign* to the Gauteng Provincial
> structure of the *Pan* *Africanist* *Congress* *of* *Azania* *(* *PAC* *)*.
> Indeed, it is horrible things such as these ones that haunt the downtrodden
> Azanian women that the PAC cannot afford to remain silent about/on them.
>
> The recently elected *Provincial* *Executive* *Committee* ( *PEC* ) of
> the *PAC* in Gauteng will be holding its first meeting on Saturday 17th
> August 2013 and the possibility is that, we plan to slot 30 minutes in the
> agenda and afford the *Stop* *Violence* *Against* *Women* *Campaign* to
> have a face-to-face engagement on the matter and determine a way-forward,
> collectively. We therefore request you to forward this response to those
> who are designated to run with the *Campaign* and to get directly in
> contact with the undersigned so that we inform them of the venue of the
> meeting as well as the time they should join us.
>
> Izwe-Lethu!
>
> *Tumediso Modise ( Tumi )*
> *Provincial Secretary*
> *Cell: 072 479 0361*
> *e-mail address: **tumimod...@hotmail.co.za* * *
>
>
>  *From:* Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:19 AM
> *To:* 'Tongogara Ndima'  ; 'Mohlomphegi
> Mphahlele'  ; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com ;
> payco@googlegroups.com ; 'Horatio Motjuwadi'  ; 
> 'Jaki
> Seroke'  ; g...@nactu.org.za ; 'Malesela 
> Mogashwa'; 'Mpumelelo
> Rulumente'  ; 'PASMA 
> Gauteng'; 'Advocate
> K Sizani'  ; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'  ;
> jabumakha...@yahoo.com ; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za ; 'Narius 
> Moloto';
> kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za ; twa...@pac.org.za ; 'Zukisa 
> Mxesibe';
> ptob...@yahoo.com ; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za ; ckoms...@yahoo.com ; 'Azi
> Mnandi'  ; 'Luyanda Gwina'  ; 'Johnson
> Mlambo'  ; 'Joseph Thloloe'; 
> 'Jerry
> Vakasha'  ; 'Ray 
> Johnson'; 'Julian
> Mohlala'  ; 'Kindo 
> Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala
> Sithole'  ; 'Baliwinile 
> Kwankwa'; 'KK
> Kekana'  ; 'Kgomotso Matsebe' ; 
> 'Khensani
> Teffu'  ; 'Danny Monareng'
> *Subject:* The Plight of Women in the Workplace and in the Community
>
>
> Dear Comrades
>
> I write to you on behalf of the Justice for Pinky Mosiane & Stop Violence
> Against Women Campaign (participating organisations listed below) to
> request that you join our campaign during the month of August and beyond to
> ensure justice for Pinky Mosiane and her family, raise public awareness
> about the scourge of violence and abuse against women and support and
> report on our call for government at the highest level to intervene
> decisively. In this regard we will be submitting a document with clear
> proposals for action that include a special mining indaba to deal with the
> crisis that black female mineworkers face in the industry.
>
> For now the campaign is mainly co-ordinated from Johannesburg and Cape
> Town and planning meetings take place today after which we will report to
> you – including the contacts for our media spokespersons. In the meanwhile
> we ask that you consider our proposal and read about Pinky’s case. We will
> be sending out updated articles on the case during next week.
>
> Read more about Pinky’s case that includes her murder and alleged rape
> during working hours underground in the Anglo-Platinum mine. akanyangafrica
>
>
> Campaign against Violence against Women
> Justice for Pinky Mosiane!
>
> Violence and abuse against women in South Africa is amongst the worst in
> the world. The government estimates that one in four women are survivors of
> abuse in their homes. But the reality is probably much worse for most women
> throughout their lives. If we had a similar situation with the majority of
> people suffering similar abuse because of their race and skin colour we
> would have a national outcry, mass protests and a state of emergency by the
> government. Ye

Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback

2013-08-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima

COmrade Mothelo

where there discussions of the state of PAC in GAUTENG PROVINCE/

And CAN YOU SEND US RESOLUTIONS AND PROGRAMMES ADOPTED THE PROVINCIAL
CONGRESS OF GAUTENG, OR just elected people nje into positions with a
programme.

LEFATSHE
NDIMA


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Sbusiso Xaba wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Thabang Mothelo 
> Date: 6 August 2013 06:59
> Subject: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback
> To: Thabang Mothelo 
>
>
> Warm Greetings Pan Africanists,
>
> I sincerely want to thank each of you who participated in the Gauteng
> Provincial Congress.
>
> Whilst a lot was not done as anticipated, whereby we experienced
> historical problematic credentials subject once again, by and large, the
> consensus was made.
>
> Finally, the Congress proceeded after experiencing some technical
> glitches. And the election of leadership ensued as follows:
>
> Newly elected all-inclusive PEC is composed in the following manner:
>
> Chairperson - Mr Lesiba Lekgwathi - Tshwane
> Deo Chair- Mr Mike  Mayende- Jhb
> Secretary- Mr Tumi Modise- West rand
> Dep Sec  - Mr Reuben Rathelele - Tshwane
> Organiser - Ms Poppy- Sedibeng
>
> And all secretariat positions were filled and reflected all the regions.
>
> the biggest achiever was West Rand with minimum delegated
>
> I apologise for not capturing the names of secretariat due to the fact
> that I did not have their names or surname in exception of Cde Poppy.
>
> The newly elected Chair had committed his cabinet to do the following:
>
> (i) hold strategic session to derive working plan towards elections 2014
> (ii) increase stability in the regions
> (iii) work co-cooperatively with all PAC members
>
> I will once again implore on all members to support the newly elected PAC
> Provincial Executive team, lets not only trust they will do the right
> things but let hold them(collectively so) accountable for PAC growth.
>
> Regards,
> Thabo Mothelo
>
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[PAYCO] PAC AUGUST CONFERENCE

2013-08-05 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Izwe lethu M'afrika

M'frika Moloto (SG) or any NEC members can you urgently provide details for
the PAC Conference ACCOMMODATION AND MEALS.

Or Are we supposed to arrange our own accommodation and meals, or will they
be provided at Birchwood Conference Centre?

Izwe lethu

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Re: [PAYCO] Our National Heroes' Day

2013-07-31 Thread Tongogara Ndima

31 July Heroes Day:-

Courage PAC, AZANYU, PASO Forces Courage!

Not Yet Uhuru, Ka Dithunya e seng Dipuisano!

Revolution in Our Lifetime!


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:34 AM,  wrote:

> "The Anthony Muziwakhe Lembede Anniversary held on the 31st July annually
> should be treated and regarded as Afrikan Heroes' Day, which all members of
> PAC should observe and rededicate themselves to the cause of Pan Afrikanism
> and the goal of United States of Afrika"...PAC Constitution, (Section 18.1)
>
> In light of the above I further wish ZANU-PF a revolutionary landslide
> victory in the Zimbabwean polls today on the occasion of our National
> Heroes' Day.
>
> I have always maintained that in the midst of world "isms" ours has
> already been chosen for us by our founding fathers and that is Pan
> Afrikan-ism. And that if we can't be Pan Afrikanits for any other sake let
> us do so for our name sake, Pan Africanist Congress of Azania.
>
> Izwe Lethu i-Afrika, Lest we Forget!
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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Re: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

2013-07-31 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Cde Nofuma, I do not recall seeing or receiving a document from you or XOLA
or MFULWANE, JUST A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT ABOUT PAC. MAFRIKA Nkrumah made many
inspiring proposals and writing on this payco google group, he one of the
best PAC Cadres we have. When Kgagudi he was PASMA President, PASMA had
branches at all provinces, at almost all Universities, Technikons and PASMA
started to have branches in Technical Colleges, PASMA had close to 40
branches across the country. PASMA was feared and respected by the
Department of Education and respected by Campus Managements. IT WAS PASMA
UNDER KGAGUDI's PRESIDENCY THAT OPPOSSED MERGER OF UNIVERSITIES AND
TECHNIKONS. ANC FEARED THE LEADERSHIP OF PASMA. WE KNOW THAT KGAGUDI
brought back ideological debates and organisation in PASMA and PASMA grew
under his leadership and political guidance. PASO was had its congress
WHERE MAFRIKA NCEDI WAS ELECTED AS PRESIDENT AND ONE PASO MEMBER FROM
WESTERN CAPE AS DEPUTY PRESIDENT, KGAGUDI LOBBIED AND ORGANISED FOR ALL
THIS AND Cde LEFERA AND SEBEI ALSO PLAYED THEIR PART. This you cannot take
away from KGAGUDI.

AND to CORRECT YOU NOFUMA, It was your lap dog Mfulwane who raised NACTU
not KGAGUDI, KGAGUDI answered EDDIE's wrong ASSUMPTIONS.

YOU BEHAVE LIKE MORGAN TSAVANGARAI a British Deployee funded also by the
ANC hoping to distabilise ZANU-PF, YOURS is to DESTABLIZE PAC. INSTEAD of
YOU ANSWERING THE PROPOSAL MADE BY KGAGUDI THAT GAUTENG PAC MEMBERS SHOULD
HAVE A PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE OF UNITY, YOU  ACCUSE KGAGUDI OF THIS HE HAS
NEVER DONE.

YOU Sound Like Narius lap dog by SAYING Mr KNOW EVERYTHING" this ARE EXACT
WORDS NARIUS MOLOTO USES!

NOFUMA you are comfortable WORKING For the ANC GOVERNMENT AS THEIR
EMPLOYEE, DAILY YOU ARE IMPLEMENTING AND ADMINISTRATING FREEDOM CHARTER,
YOU ARE So loyal that will attack all and any PAC member aiming to
rebuild PAC to take Power from the ANC.

CDE KGAGUDI, COURAGE SON OF THE SOIL

Regards

Ndima

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Cape  wrote:

> This platform when it was created by the likes of Sbu, Matome and Thulani
> Mabanga it was establish to publicise the party position, not to fight
> NACTU battles and people who always think that, are* Mr Knows Everything*,
> firstly the NEC that sat on the 11th May 2013, Nkrumah vindicated and
> demonise it. he went further requesting minutes and writing public letters
> on behalf of JHB region which he claims to be the leader the region without
> the mandate of the region. Whether you like it or not PAC has only one 
> *Secretary
> General* until branches decide otherwise, Secretary General, he
> communicate the decision of the NEC. Nkrumah as CONSTITUTIANAL EXPECT,
> advise us who must communicate the decision of the NEC if is not SG?. A
> friendly advise, if you see NEC as Narius you are wrong, he is still going
> to continue briefing the PAC members on behalf of the NEC.  How do you
> expect the entire NEC to speak to the media in at same time. U& nbsp;think
> that, is only u who can read and write. Some of us we have the work to do,
> more than wasting your time criticising the NEC and save time and do
> something better for you.
>
> You monopolise PAC during your term, you were in the NEC, now you crying
> like a baby.  After QwaQwa u DISSAPEARED and you are still trying to
> surface with personal attacks, I really curse the time you were PASMA
> President, how so wish that I can erase the time. U think that you.
> are Constitutional God while you are not.
>
> NB: If U think that, you are discrediting the SG and attacking him will
> make U Super Comrade a, it is clear that you are attacking the PAC at large
> thus far he is SG of the party case close.
> PAC is voluntary organisation, no one force u to be the member of,
>
> I remain
>
>
> MoAfrika Eddie, you are hopeless for a youth leader, I doubt If MASHAO
> knows you. Eddie, you know nothing about PAC, YOU are a TODDLER Badly
> Brought UP. It seems you can't outgrow being A Narius Moloto employee in
> BCAWU, your loyalty blinds your judgement.MoAfrika Nofuma, I was reminded
> that you are part of Narius NEC, it seems you benefit materially from this
> divisions, how? time will tell. It is embarrassing for you to accuse
> KGAGUDI about QWAQWA CONGRESS WHEN YOURSELVES WITH MAMPANE AND TEENAGE
> HIJACKED THE NATIONAL CONGRESS AND AFTER WITH CAMERON TABANE LOOTED PARTY
> FUNDS WITHOUTACCOUNTING. YOU NOFUMA AND SIYA NDAMANE, NTOMZIMA AND
> MAMPANEWERE HAPPY TO SUSPEND AND EXPEL CHARGE-IN MABASO FROM PAC WITHOUT A
> DISCPLINARY HEARING, BY THEN YOU WERE FRIENDS OF LETLAPA.
>
> Â
>
> KGAGUDI is correct, he speaks the truth the powers and DEFENDS PAC
> CONSTITUTION AND BASIC DOCUMENTS
>
> Â
>
> THIS IS DISGUSTING AND DISSAPPOINTING, THE WAY YOU DEFEND FACTIONALISM IT
> IS SO SCARY, SOBUKWE AND RABOROKO MUST BE TURNING IN THEIRGRAVES.
>
> Â
>
> KGAGUDI, YOU ARE WAISTING YOUR TIME AND TALENT, SON OF SOIL! THESE GUYS
> ARE ALSO CAPABLE OF KILLING YOU, THE WAY THEY HATE YOU!
>
> Â
>
> PEOPLE LIKE SI

Re: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

2013-07-30 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Nofuma, you again you are hopeless and full of contradictions. Is it wrong
for members to suggest that as a province let us unite and have a
unification conference first and provincial congress later, is this wrong.
Another thing, UNITY SUMMIT organised by NARIUS, we agreed that PROVINCES
SHOULD HAVE UNITY SUMMITS OR CONFERENCES, so KGAGUDI's IDEA IS CORRECT.

AFTER, YOU ARE FCATIONALIST IN WESTERN CAPE, THIS ARE GAUTENG ISSUES!


NOT LONG YOU WERE LOBBYING KGAGUDI TO FORM PART OF PAC NEC, TODAY YOU WANT
TO TELL US HE HAS ALL THIS PROBLEMS.

 KGAGUDI SHOULD IGNORE YOU.

QWAQWA CONGRESS OF 2006, YOU NOW ASKING THIS QUESTIONS, THAT IS 6 TO 7
YEARS AFTER, NOW YOU ARE BECOMING A JOKE.

WHY DID YOU INSTRUCT LETLAPA THEN AS A PRESIDENT TO DEMAND THOSE
FINANCIALS! YOU ARE BUSY RUNNING BEHIND A LEADER ACCUSE OF BEING A RAPIST
AND FONDLED A HELPLESS WOMAN IN UNION TOILETS, YOU ARE SAYING NOTHING ABOUT
THIS! WHY?


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Cape  wrote:

> I was member of the PAC even your term of office, no conference was called
> by the leadership that you were serving in, it was worse in QwaQwa when the
> Congress was adjourn while the session on progress. if you managed to
> service the party well, what happen in QwaQwa why the party was outside for
> the whole day, where the hall was used by church. During the Congress, no
> financial report was presented and I am not apologetic to participate in
> terms of leadership formation, on that time branches of the PAC agreed that
> Letlapa must lead the party, I was not going to defy the mandate of the
> branches on that particular time.
>
> The Conference you tried to organise in Port Shepstone in KZN, failed
> dismally.
>
> *NB: Tell me other reason why u didn't tabled the financial report if you
> feel that you were competent treasury of the party.*
>
>
>
>
> Some of us careless about how much of jargon you can throw around but the
> out put of your action must benefit PAC and the struggles its engaged in.
> The only reason you see us going out of our way to confront paper tigers
> who make a lot of noise on social networking is that they have potential of
> confusing other comrades who might not be informed. Some of these paper
> tigers after their embarrassing failures they hibernated away from the
> Party for some time now when they come back they want to speak as if they
> are a voice of honesty, principle and commitment. Cde Raymond history is
> good teacher and in this case we are just saying stop trying to project
> yourself as something that the PAC knows very you not for history has a
> record of you given a chance to lead the party what are you capable of
> doing.a lot of nothing. Unlike you I wont project myself as what I'm
> not...Never confuse the compliment that we as members of the PAC say to
> you or about you that you posses w ealth of ideological understand for
> being our political semi god who we must bow to and ask for a stamp of
> authority for every decision concerning the PAC.
>
>
>
> As members of the PAC we must understand our various responsibilities as
> membership, leadership and task teams. Time has arrived that we stop
> talking a lot and we get out to service our structures to make sure they
> are prepared to execute the aims and objectives of the PAC.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Cape  wrote:
>
> I am very sceptical to engage to the debate raised by comrades on the
>> matter, the time we agreed about Gauteng Provincial Congress, no one
>> differed with that, when the days are close for the Provincial Congress
>> comrades are commencing criticising the process, I remember the Soweto
>> Congress thatgave birth the NECthat gave birth to the Former National
>> Treasury-Nkrumahwho never even brought a cent to the organisation, the
>> whole 3 year term of office, that NEC failed to call Constitutional
>> Sitting, PAC on that collapsed until branches decided to usurp power
>> through sitting of QwaQwa Congress, even in Congress the NEC was the fence
>> sitters and they played a Wait and See process. No report was tabled and SG
>> who Likotsi was left alone with no support from his NEC.Not a single
>> constitutional platform was created, and I am not wondering
>> whyNkrumahalways complain, he never respec ted the party constitution
>> himself.Whatever problems the par ty is facing Nkrumah you are not the
>> solution but you are adding problems to the party, how can you always
>> complain and you are not bringing any solutions. Comrades must continue
>> with Congress and Annual National Conference will continue without you, if
>> you decide to throw stones in every effort is made by the party.WHY THE NEC
>> YOU SERVED IN, NEVER CALLED A CONFERENCE OR CONGRESS EXCEPT THAT WAS CALLED
>> BY DR PHEKO AND LIKOTSI, BECAUSE YOU ABSTAIN TO THE PROCESS.
>>
>> S. NOFUMA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 04:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Xola George Tyamzashe <
>> tyamza...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Revolutionary Gre

Re: [PAYCO] GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CONFERENCE AND UNIFICATION OF BRANCHES (AND MEMBERS)

2013-07-30 Thread Tongogara Ndima

MoAfrika Eddie, you are hopeless for a youth leader, I doubt If MASHAO
knows you. Eddie, you know nothing about PAC, YOU are a TODDLER Badly
Brought UP. It seems you can't outgrow being A Narius Moloto employee in
BCAWU, your loyalty blinds your judgement. MoAfrika Nofuma, I was reminded
that you are part of Narius NEC, it seems you benefit materially from this
divisions, how? time will tell. It is embarrassing for you to accuse
KGAGUDI about QWAQWA CONGRESS WHEN YOURSELVES WITH MAMPANE AND TEENAGE
HIJACKED THE NATIONAL CONGRESS AND AFTER WITH CAMERON TABANE LOOTED PARTY
FUNDS WITHOUT ACCOUNTING. YOU NOFUMA AND SIYA NDAMANE, NTOMZIMA AND
MAMPANE WERE HAPPY TO SUSPEND AND EXPEL CHARGE-IN MABASO FROM PAC WITHOUT A
DISCPLINARY HEARING, BY THEN YOU WERE FRIENDS OF LETLAPA.

KGAGUDI is correct, he speaks the truth the powers and DEFENDS PAC
CONSTITUTION AND BASIC DOCUMENTS

THIS IS DISGUSTING AND DISSAPPOINTING, THE WAY YOU DEFEND FACTIONALISM IT
IS SO SCARY, SOBUKWE AND RABOROKO MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES.

KGAGUDI, YOU ARE WAISTING YOUR TIME AND TALENT, SON OF SOIL! THESE GUYS ARE
ALSO CAPABLE OF KILLING YOU, THE WAY THEY HATE YOU!

PEOPLE LIKE SIPHO TSHABALALA, DR GILINGWE MAYENDE, ADVOCATE MOSENEKE AND
OTHERS LEFT AND STOOPED BEING ACTIVE OF MEMBERS PAC BECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED
OF BEING INSULTED, TODAY SEE WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE IS PAC!


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM, eddie mfulwane wrote:

> Cde Raymaond
>
> It is very sad and disappointing to see cde of your caliber turning
> himself into a directionless anarchist, who just boost with ideological
> jargon and rhetoric. Seemingly there is nothing you know about the PAC
> development as you are always claiming that the so call 'JHB Region" knows
> nothing about everything that the leadership of the Party is announcing.
> Firstly cde RAYMOND when Letlapa was removed, you were on about you as "JHB
> Region" requesting minutes and a signed roll call of NEC members who
> attended the meeting. It is absolute embarrassment that as a former NEC
> members with all the credentials you have you can boldly utter such or
> maybe we must ask u to remind us when have you and your NEC send out any of
> such nature to any lower structure of the party??. NEC does not report
> and account to any individual who says izwe lethu to it or any individual
> who has access to this Google group but it reports and accounts in
> Congress/Conference. Secondly cde RAYMOND there is an administrative reason
> that you should have understood a long time ago that if u are not a member
> of a constitutional structure of the PAC, DO NOT expect the PAC to keep you
> up to date with its internal affairs, you guys need to keep your focus on
> making JHB Region a constitutional structure in terms of the PAC
> constitution, build branches. Section 12. of the PAC Constitution is a
> great answer to all these questions you are raising regarding the up coming
> Gauteng Provincial Congress.
>
> 12.2 Provincial Congress shall be held at such a time and place as may be
> decided upon by the previous provincial congress and in absence of such, by
> the PEC, or as directed by the NEC.
>
> The focus from your side must be kept on section 15.3 of the PAC
> constitution
>
> 15.3 Minimum number of five branches shall form a regiont
>
> This means only hundred members cde RAYMOND and its been many months you
> have speaking on behalf of a team that is trying to build that region until
> today you are still organizing. As a leader i thought you would know some
> of this basics as you are former NEC that seems so obsessed with the
> constitution. How can the PAC achieve all these great ideas you always
> publicize when it has comrades like you who take forever to just organize
> 100 people(5 branches). Every time you think about publicly questioning PAC
> leadership, dedicate a paragraph and inform us on how far are you with
> launching JHB region, then after lets see all these great ideas you preach
> in action. There is a complementary relations between theory and practice.
> It is an element of ill discipline to question the authority and directives
> of the leadership in public platforms as much as making public
> pronunciations on behalf of PAC JHB region branches without being given the
> authority whether there is 1,2 or 3 branches.
>
> The office of PAC SG communicated and directed 3 provinces to be going to
> Provincial Congresses(Eastern Cape,Gauteng and Limpopo) with dates and this
> is just for your information not for me and you to discuss it here on
> public platforms. If you have issues with that there is a National
> Conference in a few days which also will be guided by the PAC constitution.
> Again there section 5.4 of the PAC Constitution will be guiding us.
>
> 5.4 Branches that are in full compliance with their fees shall be entitled
> to be represented at the National Congress by one delegate for every 20
> members.
>
> "if u allow anger and emotions to dominate you

[PAYCO] Re: My view

2013-07-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima

gal over the 11 MAY 2013 ?
>  iii) WHAT made Cde Mphahlele to sign Resolutions of the meeting he gave
> an undertaking in court that
>   he will not hold and did not personally attend ?
>   iv) WHY the 18 MAY NEC meeting did not appoint Acting people in
> positions of suspended members,
>   especially the critical position of the Secretary General ?
>v) HOW far is the disciplinary process of the suspended NEC members as
> we are in the 7 weeks since
>   letters of suspension were circulated ?
>
> In the light of all these happenings irrespective of which NEC side is
> correct . . . I see us going deeper into this mess.
>
> Just imagine when someone from the 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting decides to go
> to court over the decision of the 18 MAY 2013 . . . I guarantee you that
> meeting will be nullified based on
>
>i) Court decision: Cde Mphahlele made an undertaking that
> he will not hold that meeting
>   ii) That meeting quorum is questionable
>
> So why are we subjecting ourselves to all these notes above instead of
> going straight to the Annual National Conference where members who are in
> good standing will be DELEGATES who can decide on HOW are we taking the PAC
> forward ! ! !
>
> Otherwise we will be moving in circles going nowhere ! !
>
> I kindly as ask ALL NEC MEMBERS to go for a National Conference . . .
> there is a date of 9 - 11 Aug 2013
> if this is not suitable for ALL of YOU sit together and come up with a
> suitable date BUT for me the sitting of the National Conference must not be
> beyond the MONTH OF AUGUST 2013 otherwise you will be deliberately
> sabotaging the cohesion and progress of the organization . . .you have
> already done huge damage in the past 12 months ! ! !
>
>
> The NEC issued a circular for 9 - 11 August Annual National Conference,
> the otherside of the NEC is dismissing that pointing at December.
>
> TO ALL MEMBERS IN THIS EMAIL LIST: We cannot allow this mess to go beyond
> August 2013. With this infighting amongst the NEC as elected in
> Butterworth, December is too far. We need to correct things NOW !
>
> If you feel that the Annual National Conference requires specific
> timelines to convene and the time is not on our side  . . .  Convene a
> SPECIAL NATIONAL CONFERENCE the Constitution:[ 5.5 A special National
> Conference may be convened by the NEC if, in the opinion of the NEC, an
> emergency which warrants such a conference, has arisen or,]. This can be
> convened in 30 days . .  ! ! !
>
> It must be noted the PAC does not belong to Mphahlele, Moloto, nor
> Mkandawire . . .the NEC through Moloto called for a National Conference 9 -
> 11 August; the NEC through Mphahlele is dismissing that call for a National
> Conference . . .  what is this joke ! ! !
>
> We need National Conference 'YESTERDAY' ALREADY ! ! !
>
> iAfrika
>
> SIYABULELA NDAMANE
> 083 790 6470
>
>
> Quoting Tongogara Ndima :
>
>  But Comrades APLAMVA National- Justice, you are being a hypocrites why
>> demand the attendance register for only the 18 May meeting what about the
>> 11 May attendance register? You are part of creating confusion within the
>> PAC. Moloto called a secrecy NEC meeting you were silence, some weeks
>> back,
>> when an invite is extended to PAC structures you raise many questions.
>>
>> Your attitude is against the unity summit you formed part as APLAMVA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aplamva [mailto:aplamvanational@gmail.**com
>> ]
>> Sent: 03 July 2013 03:50 PM
>> To: 'vakele mkandawire'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke';
>> 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda';
>> 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK
>> Kekana'; 'Kenny Bafo'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea';
>> 'Lucky Khoza'; 'Malusi Kolie'; 'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Tommy Kantando';
>> 'wiseman
>> mashego'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za;
>> kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L
>> Lekgwathi';
>> 'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa
>> Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August';
>> luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala';
>> znd...@hotmail.com;
>> 'Puseletso Zwane';

Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

2013-07-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Cde Xola, I think and suggest, we as branches give both Letlapa & Narius to
put aside their personal differences and respect the 2012 Butterworth
Congress outcomes were we elected the PAC NEC according to PAC Constitution
and they work together and unify PAC, failure we should remove them at the
August 2013 Annual National Conference!  If we as cadres of the party
support Narius against Letlapa or support Letlapa against Narius we will be
forming part of the problem. We were there together in the unity summit, we
should what happened, MoAforika!


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Xola  wrote:

> **
> Cde Tongogara, now that you have identified both sides of the "split" as
> being part of the problem, what do you propose as the best solution,
> constitutionally realistic and otherwise? We all acknowledge the existence
> of a problem and are all interested in a solution in which the PAC will not
> only emerge victorious but united as well.
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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> *Date: *Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:33:50 +0200
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
>
> Comrade Xola, what about Narius and Letlapa who are destroying PAC to
> appease the ANC?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Xola  wrote:
>
>> ...this is what happens when u sell your soul, u end being remote
>> controlled and told what to say, whether it makes sense or not. He's agreed
>> to bend over and was handsomely paid. His a*se is theirs
>>
>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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>> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
>>
>> When did he realise that "freedom charter" was a laudable document?
>>
>> Pathetic indeed.
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Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

2013-07-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Xola, what about Narius and Letlapa who are destroying PAC to
appease the ANC?


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Xola  wrote:

> ...this is what happens when u sell your soul, u end being remote
> controlled and told what to say, whether it makes sense or not. He's agreed
> to bend over and was handsomely paid. His a*se is theirs
>
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: leag...@yahoo.com
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:57:03
> To: 
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
>
> When did he realise that "freedom charter" was a laudable document?
>
> Pathetic indeed.
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Hulisani Mmbara " 
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:21:19
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> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
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Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now

2013-07-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Zwe Lethu Majoni

PAC is facing a split! Narius is pushing his people to form parallel
structures. In Eastern Cape there will be provincial congress, in Sedibeng
there is regional congress, Ekurhuleni there will be a regional congress
including other areas! In all this areas there are PAC structures. It seems
Narius is here to finish PAC where Plaatjie an Godi failed,
wake Majoni. The Unity Summit failed to come with a plan to unite PAC! We
went to the summit to come with a strategy to unite PAC but this was not
done! Some NEC members who formed part of the 11 May 'NEC' meeting called
by Moloto are now regretting because they did not thought about plan driven
to divide PAC.

PAC can be rescued and unified by a neutral national committee made up of
party members who are not forming part of the NEC.

If PAC members and leaders are not careful PAC will face 2014 National and
Provincial Elections divided and weak

Zwe lethu

Tongogara Ndima

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[PAYCO] Re: FW: Notice of PAC NEC meeting, invitation extended to PAC Structures

2013-07-03 Thread Tongogara Ndima

But Comrades APLAMVA National- Justice, you are being a hypocrites why
demand the attendance register for only the 18 May meeting what about the
11 May attendance register? You are part of creating confusion within the
PAC. Moloto called a secrecy NEC meeting you were silence, some weeks back,
when an invite is extended to PAC structures you raise many questions.

Your attitude is against the unity summit you formed part as APLAMVA

-Original Message-
From: Aplamva [mailto:aplamvanatio...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 July 2013 03:50 PM
To: 'vakele mkandawire'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke';
'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda';
'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK
Kekana'; 'Kenny Bafo'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea';
'Lucky Khoza'; 'Malusi Kolie'; 'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Tommy Kantando'; 'wiseman
mashego'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za;
kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L Lekgwathi';
'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa
Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August';
luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala'; znd...@hotmail.com;
'Puseletso Zwane'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; 'Zandi Radebe'; 'Zola Mbi'; 'Zukisa
Mxesibe'; 'Zuko Camagu'; 'Zuko Hlulani'; 'Sbusiso Xaba'; 'Tembelani Xundu';
'Xola Mketi'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; 'Xolani Mabanga'; 'Xolani Makwedini';
'Xolelwa Njamela'; 'Mthuthuzeli Vena'; 'Samuel Marole'; 'Vusi Mahlangu';
'Vuyiswa Cekwana'; vumilemof...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com;
paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; 'PAYCO Azania'; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com;
jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 'Andiswa Mjali'; montja...@yahoo.com;
mphah...@eskom.co.za; 'Justice Mvakali'; 'Themba Hlatshwayo';
g...@bcawu.co.za; g...@nactu.org.za; apap...@webmail.co.za; 'Wandisile
Mandlana'; rakwe...@yahoo.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; rmtl...@gmail.com;
rmse...@gmail.com; rateb...@webmail.co.za; 'Themba Hlatshwayo';
telite...@gmail.com; 'Thembeka Majali'; tob...@yahoo.com;
tyamza...@yahoo.com; twa...@pac.org.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com;
yolisamazo...@gmail.com; ikeyisa...@gmail.com; 'Malesela Mogashwa'; 'Ike
Mafole'; 'Albert Mokoena'; ad...@pac.org.za; 'Archie Kota';
a...@joburg.org.za; a...@a-aprp-gc.org; azaania...@gmail.com;
angwa...@webmail.co.za; samrad...@upd.co.za; solomoncontrac...@gmail.com;
samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sibusiso.x...@gmail.com; 'Sipho Linda';
sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'Fitzroy Ngcukana'; dannymonar...@gmail.com;
digashuma...@gmail.com; drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com;
frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; 'Fihla Brig Gen'; 'Gantsu';
hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; justice.mvak...@gmail.com;
ju-...@webmail.co.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; khoi.so...@gmail.com;
leratolepha...@ymail.com; leaga.les...@up.ac.za; 'Lulamile Ntonzima';
'Zwelethemba Twalo'; ckoms...@yahoo.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za;
victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; va...@webmail.co.za; 'Bra Mike Motsobane';
baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com;
nancykob...@webmail.co.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 'Malinge Plaatjie';
mafub...@hotmail.com; 'Mathapelo Dhlamini'; mnyhon...@yahoo.com;
mpumele...@gmail.com; 'Manelisi Mampana'; mphash...@webmail.co.za;
maiv...@pac.org.za; makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; 'Mawethu Sidzamba';
nrkgag...@gmail.com; nkrumah.kgag...@ananzi.co.za
Subject: RE: Notice of PAC NEC meeting, invitation extended to PAC
Structures

Izwe lethu

What happen to the secretary of the Pac elected in Butterworth as we now see
Mr Vakele as the Chief Administrator. When we were reading the court order
it says the Butterworth Nec members remain as is. And we still waiting for
the copy of the 18 May  meeting attendance register to check if you Mr
Vakele was appointed by a properly constituted forum as a Chief
Administrator. Ooh you claim to have suspended the secretary by the way but
still send us the results of the DC that sat within 14 days after their
suspension and the final Nec decision on the matter, all we saw was their
letters that they are suspended by a meeting of the 18 May whose attendance
register is a top secret so hidden because it did not form a quorum.

Shango lashu

-Original Message-
From: vakele mkandawire [mailto:mvak...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 July 2013 15:28
To: Johnson Mlambo; Joe Thloloe; Jaki Seroke; Jerry Vakasha; Ray Johnson;
Julian Mohlala; Kindo Makhanda; Khethamabala Sithole; Advocate K Sizani;
Baliwinile Kwankwa; KK Kekana; Kenny Bafo; Kgomotso Matsebe; Khensani Teffu;
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Re: [PAYCO] Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela's Legacy

2013-07-03 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Ma-Afrika Johannesburg Region


Siyabonga Majoni, umsebenzi we Party and your commitment. Next time please
come to our provinces and regions to assist us with political workshops.

Regards

Tongogara Ndima

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi  wrote:

> *Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela’s
> Legacy*
>
> *Commemoration held in Zepth Mothopeng (Orlando West) Branch, Uncle Tom’s
> Hall on the30th June 2013 at 10:00 – 17h30*
>
> Cadres and members of the party need to triple their efforts and close
> ranks, to defend the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC) of Azania from the
> raging factionalist feuding, petit bourgeois opportunism and ideological
> revisionism. Unity efforts must be principled, sincere and all-embracing
> (inclusive). Such opportunities must not be abused to advance factional
> legitimation at the expense of broader organisational unity. As PAC, we
> have a more daunting task ahead of us which the rallying and unification of
> the African masses, and the striving to establish a United Socialist States
> of Africa.
>
> One of the greatest unifiers in our history was Cde John Nyati Pokela.
> Indeed, today's the 30th June 2013 at Chairman John Nyathi Pokela
> Commemoration held at Orlando West was a resounding great success in that
> comrades engaged and shared valuable history and lessons regarding the
> achievements and dedication of Cde Poks, from 1959 when he was tasked to
> establish the Africanist Task Force to his unification of feuding Pan
> Africanist groupings in Robben Island and exile. 
>
>  On his arrival in Tanzania, Chairman John Nyathi Pokela articulated the
> Party’s mission under his leadership as being threefold: 
>
> * (1) Unite the PAC*
>
> * (2) Focus the PAC in exile homeward*
>
> * (3) Ochestrate the Armed Struggle*
>
> Today, in view of the petty bourgeoisie rightist deviation and opportunism
> fragmenting and paralysing the PAC, these aims can be expressed along the
> same lines as follows:
>
> * (1) Unite the PAC*
>
> * (2) Focus the PAC cadreship and membership towards the African
> proletariat*
>
> * (3) Ochestrate the African proletarian revolution in Azania and across
> the African Continent. *
>
> These three key points should constitute the basis to ideo-politically and
> organisationally unite, rebuild and position the PAC as a revolution party
> to assume a mass based character. Party leadership should be entrusted to
> members having a consistent record of activism and organisational
> discipline, and members who should be deployed on fulltime bases to advance
> and execute party political programme. Social revolution, however, requires
> that the petty-bourgeois leadership should have committed "class suicide",
> proven by party political work record of consistent and principled activism
> of advancing aims and objectives of the party. Class suicide by the African
> petty-bourgeois leadership to assume a revolutionary role and character
> amounts to adhering to revolutionary consciousness and the culture of
> revolution rather than acting on its immediate material interests as a
> social class. *It must sacrifice its class position, privileges, and
> power through identification with the working masses.* This unlikely
> event depends on the power and material basis of the revolutionary
> consciousness of sections of the petty bourgeoisie. The idea of class
> suicide by the revolutionary leadership is perhaps Cabral's most important
> message to socialist revolutionaries today. 
>
> To rectify mistaken ideas and political methods which hinders to rise of
> and for a revolutionary socialist programme to be advanced on a Pan African
> basis and globally, a dedicated session should be organised to focus on the
> following aspects:-
>
> *(1)Identify Mistaken Ideas and political methods.*
>
> *(2) Put in Place a Rectification Programme*  
>
> *The Pokela Day must be commemorated across the PAC. 30 Jun 2014 will be
> the 30th year the PAC lost this great leader of the African people; this
> very trustworthy, dedicated and dependable of PAC cadres and leaders;*this 
> great visionary in the mould of Mda, Sobukwe and Raboroko. Participant
> concluded on the necessity to focus PAC regional structures, branches and
> members on the daily community and workers socio-economic daily struggles.
> Sincere PAC members should refrain using open social media networks to
> resolve inner party disagreements and session noted that the extent of
> infighting demonstrates political and ideological degeneration across all
> sections of the party since our understanding is that contradictions among
> comrades ar

Re: [PAYCO] Remembering and RE-Dedicating Ourselves to Chairman John Nyathi Pokela's Legacy

2013-07-03 Thread Tongogara Ndima

*Zwe lethu, Majoni*
**
*I attended the unity summit on the June 29, I drove all the way from
Mpumalanga Province in Standerton from work. I regretted were was I going ?
because I expected former leaders (NECs) of the PAC since 1990 from
President Makwetu to President Mogoba, President Pheko including President
Mphahlele all of them were not there. From the current NEC only less than
10 NE members were there!  I still wonder why people such as umu-Afrika
Seroke, uNtsie Mohloai did not attend this summit, I suspect invitations
were sent out selectively meaning people Moloto wanted only, I just
attended because I thought it is open to all Africanists of PAC but I was
wrong.*
**
*Secondly there was no agenda. *

*Thirdly there was no discussions documents. *
**
*I was shocked to learn about  the PAM and APC people in that summit such
Dudu Phama who left PAC with Thami Plaatjies, it became clear the summit
aims to divide PAC further and lastly form another PAC led by Mpethi and
Moloto out of our PAC. A professor Ntuli was presented and some members
claim Moloto want this Professor Ntuli to be PAC President, I thought the
summit aimed to unify PAC members but it seems it is a Moloto's Faction
Programme of positioning itself. Who is Pitiki ka Ntuli and where was he
all along since the unbanning of the PAC in 1990 because we cannot allow
unknown people to jump into* *positions. It seems this man is a poet
because at Mkhwanazi's funeral he was making poems more than anything! *

I
*Amafrika are correct, PAC is in trouble. Comrade Moloto we want  our
branch  200 membership cards since we handed membership forms to Comrade
Joko  your Deputy last year in October, no progress.*
**
*Regards*
*Tongongara Ndima*

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Re: [PAYCO]

2012-10-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Linda Ndebele

How better and different is PAYCO under your leadership? Your PAYCO NEC is
full of cowards who want to fight political organisational battles in
facebook and paycogoogle! Do not claim easy victories son of the soil and
tell no lies! PAYCO is useless and non-existent component structure. You
fail to attend PAC NEC meetings and confront Letlapa Mphahlele head on,
this also imply that you as the PAYCO President or Comrade Lucky Khoza
should attend PAC National Working Committee meetings to defend the party
line and constitution. Days of Azanyu have come and gone, now there is
PAYCO under your leadership, you are not only hypocrites but just the same
like Mphahlele Letlapa, PAYCO has no branches, no regions and no provincial
structures which are politically active. Julius Malema with GG
(failed) Woodwork subject in high school developed a programme for youth
mobilisation and ANCYL has become a mouthpiece of the African youth?  PAYCO
NEC cannot even organise a national conference or national congress what a
shame mafrika.

I know you will hate me for this but we will continue drinking beer
together!

Izwe lethu
Ndima

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko wrote:

>  Cde’s  Seroke and Ndebele
>
> The survival of the PAC in this century is largely depended on how it is
> able to prove its relevance to the general polity of this country. As a
> foot soldier of this movement from the 90’s, I remember, prior to 1994, we
> succeeded in indoctrinating the masses the ideology of Pan Africanism. To
> retrospect, places such as Tembisa had more than 5 branches of PAC, this is
> just to mention one area. The East rand ,in particular, was replete with
> PAC structures, even though, it was not to the strides which the
> charterists had made. Today, I can still see the walls inscribed with PAC’s
> slogans in places such as Katlehong and elsewhere. What was the story
> behind such strides ?. in my mind, I posit that it was our
> non-collaborationist stance during the negotiations era with a concomitant
> of withstanding neo-colonialism of the ANC. The belligerence of APLA
>  against the settler regime should be accorded a credit. With our poor
> electoral showing of 1.2 % in 1994, which was far below the forecast of our
> detractors, who had believed that we would clinch a negligible margin of 5
> %, we degenerated far lesser than that. I remember the NEC( just before the
> elections in 1994) contemplating a legal action against the Star newspaper
> for publishing such a gloomy forecast for the PAC. If the total of 240 000
> people who voted the PAC were file and rank members, why did the PAC not
> retain such member and expand thereof. instead, the poignant reality was
> that in successive elections the number plummeted until it reached its
> nadir of less than 60.000 voters. The disquieting thing is that PAC has
> been plagued with nefarious schism which has never healed to this present
> day. Suffice to say that we have produced splitter opportunistic
> organizations such as ID, PAM and APC. I refer them as such because it
> appears that they were formed merely to benefit their founders with state’s
> accruals, such as seats in parliament. On the other hand, one may argue and
> say: these organizations were spawned due to incurable melancholy of the
> PAC. In some places, you can conclude that the PAC never existed. In
> Daveyton ,for example, we have a place named after Stanly Mokgoba, sadly,
> most people who inhabit this place today do not know if there is an
> organization called PAC. How do we then realign the PAC and the masses.
> Remember, we would boast ‘ the PAC are the people, and the people are PAC’
> .how do we claim such people back ? We have allowed the ANCYL to fill the
> vacuum and steal our thunder by its  feigned revolutionary antics to the
> ANC. The situation within the ANC and its youth league is somewhat redolent
> with the 1949 programme of action. I know most of us are reluctant to admit
> this reality. The fact that from 1994, the political independence has not
> liberated the downtrodden masses, our people are still living in squalor,
> 80 % of our wealth is still in the white minority and they still own 13 %
> of the land. Why don’t we rise to this occasion. In the 1930’s after the
> great depression, in Europe, the  fascist and Nazis were astute to seize
> power from the weaknesses of the system at the time. to regress to my
> introduction, how relevant are we to our polity ?.I  believe that the
> rivalry within our own ranks has done more damage than in any organization
> in this country. Non constitutional platforms such as conventions to all
> Africanists is, at this point in time, is of great importance. I have once
> called all wayward sons, the APC and PAM to come to the occasion. If all
> those who profess to be espousing Pan- Africanism can unite, a dynamic
> force would unleash, giving hope to the hopeless masses of Azania. Severed
> Africanists are a

Re: [PAYCO] Dual Membership

2012-10-08 Thread Tongogara Ndima

Comrade Chargein

The formation of APC and PAM is as a response by PAC members who were not
happy about the leadership style of Mphahlele Letlapa, not necessary due to
the PAC ideological shift. Therefore, dual membership will make no
difference to solve PAC problems, My simple advice is that you and many
other former PAC members  who formed PAM and APC should return to the PAC
and help solving the problems facing the PAC.  PAM has not done any serious
political interventions in the whole country.


By leaving PAC to PAM you did exactly what Mphahlele wanted, which he used
and people like Bishop Toboti used espacilly when you Thami Plaatjie left
PAC to form PAMand later joined ANC. Now, part of the challenge is all this
aimed at attacking and destroying the PAC, by content and desire there is
no difference between Plaatjie and Mphahlele, since all of them serve
and advance the interestss of the neo-colonial system. the other side of
the argument it is equal to saying PAM comrades ran away instead of facing
the problems confronting PAC.

Izwe lethu, son of the soil

Ndima

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Chargein Mabaso wrote:

> Comrades,
>
> Many people are wondering when the unholy marriage of convenience among
> the Tripartite Alliance partners (ANC, COSATU and SACP) will come to an end
> one day. After the Marikana developments, many political commentators
> expected COSATU congress to resolve to either deliver divorce papers to the
> ANC or at the least demand the change of leadership at the coming December
> ANC Conference at Mangaung. They may now be wondering why it is not the
> case.
>
> The truth is one. ANC is nothing without the Tripartite Alliance,
> especially COSATU. ANC leaders knew this fact long ago when they decided to
> form the Alliance. They know one thing that no serious-minded political can
> rule South Africa without exercising political influence (hegemony) over
> the unions, civic movements, professional bodies, NGOs, churches, etc. They
> learn this fact from Soviet Hegemony, Gramsci's view on hegemony, US
> dominance, etc. ANC understood very early the power of dual membership in a
> political terrain. The same is true of Democratic Alliance (DA). As we
> know, DA is a product of the alliance (unity) between the DP and NP,
> possible Solidarity playing secretly the role of COSATU for the DA . The
> two parties came to understand the power of unity / alliance of the
> like-minded in the current terrain of struggle in our country. They called
> for the realignment of all counterrevolutionary forces to contest power
> against the reformist Tripartite Alliance. But, Pan Africanists, socialist
> formations and BC forces are the exception to the rule. They do not believe
> to the idea of unity or alliance politics. May be our attitude explains the
> reason we marginalized in the new political dispensation. We all became
> minority parties out of our own choice.
>
> Take an example of Julius Malema who is enjoying the support of mine
> worker as we speak. He has been articulation our position on our behalf
> because he sees the political vacuum left behind by the PAC in the New
> Democracy. He is exploiting it, for good or bad reasons. Many people told
> us time and again that voters do not want land and nationalization of the
> commanding heights of our economy. They want only jobs but not land and
> equitable distribution of wealth in this country. They said PAC must tone
> down. Letlapa's project is intended to do just that. They said voters want
> PAC to discard its Basic Documents. But, Marikana developments proved them
> wrong.
>
> Ma-Afrika, Cde Letlapa and his cronies are working for our enemies and
> rivals, consciously or unconsciously. They are conscious and unconscious
> Charterists who are working day and night to silence PAC for good at the
> time when it is needed mostly. Today, voters have no alternative to go to
> because the work of the current PAC leaders. They want to bury the PAC
> alive. Just imagine what will happen to PAC after the Butterworth Congress.
> For the coming 5 - 10 years, there is possibility that PAC will remain
> where it is or get worse.
>
> The question that many PAC members must ask themselves is: What is to be
> done? The latest developments forces all Pan Africanists to stop folding
> arms and wait for coming congresses. We must do whatever we can with what
> we now have in our disposal. True revolutionaries cannot remain static.
> They must  be dynamic and position themselves strategically as developments
> inform them. I know there those who will say they are active on the ground
> and quote visits to Marikana and other programs. Without acting as a party
> is self-defeating. Unless you are like Malema. If he loses at Mangaung, he
> cannot waiting for five years for another ANC conference. If he does, he
> will lose the momentum. He has no choice but to form another party. The
> same is true of those PAC forces who working hard within PAC

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2012-08-31 Thread Tongogara Ndima

 MoAfrika Moloto

Having followed the debates, some of us thought that Cde Narius Moloto with
the grocery of positions he holds (namely 1. PAC General Secretary 2. NACTU
Geneal Secretary 3. BCAWU General Secretary), you will also share with
comrades what actions had been taken to intervene in the Marikana Massacre:-

*Firstly as PAC General Secretary:-.*


*Secondly as NACTU General Secretary :-.*


*Thirdly as BCAWU General Secretary:-*

And also how do explain the fact that AMCU explained itself as being
politically independent?

Surely, it will be pharisist to accuse Africanists as being "armed chair
revolutionaries" when your office and particulalry yourself you do not show
an form of the mingling with affected workers in Marikana.

We show COSATU took a stance, ANC took a stance and also COSATU structures
as far as Western Cape raised thier voice? Comrade Tembalani asked as to
what is the state of affiars in NACTU?

so son of the soil can you share with comrades, i wish you should not
insult me!

Izwe
Ndima Tongagara

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