[PAYCO] 42127gon1409s.pdf
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[PAYCO] PROF ROBERT MANGALISO SOBUKWE LECTURE8 IN PICTURES
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[PAYCO] PAYCO NATIONAL CONGRESS GUIDELINES
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[PAYCO] RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS
Good Day M'Afrika Chidi Have you signed the petition? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Bosole Chidi Date: 2017/11/08 12:26 (GMT+02:00) To: 'mphirim' , payco@googlegroups.com, 'Pharmaq' , 'Poppie Ngema' , 'K Maunnatlala' , 'Ncina Malapane' , 'Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe' , 'michael ponko' , 'Pat' , tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com, 'Isaac Kekana' , 'lesetja lebelo' , 'Lesiba Lekgoathi' , 'Tumi Modise 2' , 'SACWU Felix Matome Makgato' , 'Senmin Jonas Mtiriri' , 'Kaizer Obakeng Modise' , 'Fikile Radebe' , 'Nomsa Ndlovu' , 'Mr Andrew Sekwakwa' , 'CCMA Dan Baloyi' , motsandz...@gmail.com, 'Friend Cynthia Mohlabane' , 'Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga' , 'Tshepiso CAC' , rtamm...@webmail.co.za, 'mbuyiswa mpembe' , apap...@yahoo.com, apa...@webmail.co.za, 'Pac Albert Mokoena' , pontsobruc...@gmail.com, zimel...@gmail.com, 'Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana' , elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za, 'Phillip Sithole' , 'Simphiwe Nofuma' , 'Sbusiso Xaba' , 'Sbusiso Xaba' , 'Meltah Mampuru' , motsatsimohale...@gmail.com, tumiman...@yahoo.com, ju...@ceppwawu.org.za, 'Tecnochem Saki Pete' , 'Matsatsi Sibiya' , 'Vuvus Maria Phele' , 'simon marakalala' , ayandabuthele...@gmail.com, 'Busisiwe Ntimane' , 'norman' Subject: RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Izwelethu It is our duty to protect APLA members and to pressurise the current government which inherited the previous oppressed government decisions to chain our own freedom fighters. The struggle should continue. Izwelethu Bosole Chidi From: mphirim [mailto:mphi...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 November 2017 10:21 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Pharmaq; Poppie Ngema; K Maunnatlala; Ncina Malapane; Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe; michael ponko; Pat; tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com; Isaac Kekana; lesetja lebelo; Lesiba Lekgoathi; Tumi Modise 2; nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za; SACWU Felix Matome Makgato; Senmin Jonas Mtiriri; Kaizer Obakeng Modise; Fikile Radebe; Nomsa Ndlovu; Mr Andrew Sekwakwa; CCMA Dan Baloyi; motsandz...@gmail.com; Friend Cynthia Mohlabane; Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga; Tshepiso CAC; rtamm...@webmail.co.za; mbuyiswa mpembe; apap...@yahoo.com; apa...@webmail.co.za; Pac Albert Mokoena; pontsobruc...@gmail.com; zimel...@gmail.com; Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana; elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za; Phillip Sithole; Simphiwe Nofuma; Sbusiso Xaba; Sbusiso Xaba; Meltah Mampuru; motsatsimohale...@gmail.com; tumiman...@yahoo.com; ju...@ceppwawu.org.za; Tecnochem Saki Pete; Matsatsi Sibiya; Vuvus Maria Phele; simon marakalala; ayandabuthele...@gmail.com; Busisiwe Ntimane; norman Subject: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Hey, I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx Thanks! Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS
Good Day MoAfrika Modise Thank you for your reply. My appeal is that can we please sign the petition so that it is send to South African Government. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Tumediso Modise Date: 2017/11/08 10:59 (GMT+02:00) To: 'mphirim' , payco@googlegroups.com, 'Pharmaq' , 'Poppie Ngema' , 'K Maunnatlala' , 'Ncina Malapane' , 'Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe' , 'michael ponko' , 'Pat' , tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com, 'Isaac Kekana' , 'lesetja lebelo' , 'Lesiba Lekgoathi' , nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za, 'SACWU Felix Matome Makgato' , 'Senmin Jonas Mtiriri' , 'Kaizer Obakeng Modise' , 'Fikile Radebe' , 'Nomsa Ndlovu' , 'Mr Andrew Sekwakwa' , 'CCMA Dan Baloyi' , motsandz...@gmail.com, 'Friend Cynthia Mohlabane' , 'Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga' , 'Tshepiso CAC' , rtamm...@webmail.co.za, 'mbuyiswa mpembe' , apap...@yahoo.com, apa...@webmail.co.za, 'Pac Albert Mokoena' , pontsobruc...@gmail.com, zimel...@gmail.com, 'Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana' , elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za, 'Phillip Sithole' , 'Simphiwe Nofuma' , 'Sbusiso Xaba' , 'Sbusiso Xaba' , 'Meltah Mampuru' , motsatsimohale...@gmail.com, tumiman...@yahoo.com, ju...@ceppwawu.org.za, 'Tecnochem Saki Pete' , 'Matsatsi Sibiya' , 'Vuvus Maria Phele' , 'simon marakalala' , ayandabuthele...@gmail.com, 'Busisiwe Ntimane' , 'norman' Subject: RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Dear Mfrika Mphiri, I fully support the initiative in my personal capacity as an indigenous African, a Pan Africanist and registered member of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania (PAC). Land Is Economy! Economy Is LandIzwe-Lethu! I-Afrika! Tumediso ModiseGeneral SecretarySouth African Chemical Workers Union (SACWU)Tel: 011 8386581Fax: 011 832 2424Cel: 072 029 9235 or 072 479 0361Email: generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za From: mphirim [mailto:mphi...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 November 2017 10:21 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Pharmaq; Poppie Ngema; K Maunnatlala; Ncina Malapane; Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe; michael ponko; Pat; tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com; Isaac Kekana; lesetja lebelo; Lesiba Lekgoathi; Tumi Modise 2; nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za; SACWU Felix Matome Makgato; Senmin Jonas Mtiriri; Kaizer Obakeng Modise; Fikile Radebe; Nomsa Ndlovu; Mr Andrew Sekwakwa; CCMA Dan Baloyi; motsandz...@gmail.com; Friend Cynthia Mohlabane; Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga; Tshepiso CAC; rtamm...@webmail.co.za; mbuyiswa mpembe; apap...@yahoo.com; apa...@webmail.co.za; Pac Albert Mokoena; pontsobruc...@gmail.com; zimel...@gmail.com; Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana; elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za; Phillip Sithole; Simphiwe Nofuma; Sbusiso Xaba; Sbusiso Xaba; Meltah Mampuru; motsatsimohale...@gmail.com; tumiman...@yahoo.com; ju...@ceppwawu.org.za; Tecnochem Saki Pete; Matsatsi Sibiya; Vuvus Maria Phele; simon marakalala; ayandabuthele...@gmail.com; Busisiwe Ntimane; norman Subject: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Hey, I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx Thanks! Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS
Hey, I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx Thanks! Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS
Izwe Lethu M'Afrika Our email dated 31 October 2017 refers titled PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS. Fellow Comrades, we (namely, the Unity Steering Committee and Facilitating Committee) are still waiting for your confirmation to attend the 11 November Unity Meeting among other issues is to discuss PAC Unity Special National Conference as per clause 5.5 of PAC Ga-Matlala Tompi Seleke 2000 National Congress. May you please indicate to us if you are available to attend the 11 November Unity Meeting. Regards Nkrumah Kgagudi On behalf of Unity Steering Committee On 31 Oct 2017 17:14, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" wrote: Izwe Lethu M'Afrika Attached find an invitation letter to the PAC unity follow-up meeting and the 16 July Midrand Unity meeting outcomes. AS USC and FC we are ready to the December PAC Unity Special Conference, hence this meeting of the 11th November 2017 is a crucial nodal point for the forward movement and consolidation of the PAC unification. We will gladly appreciate your reply in advance for purpose of organising logistics. Shango lashu Nkrumah Kgagudi -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] PAC MEDIA RELEASE
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[PAYCO] NACTU PRESIDENT CONSTITUTIONAL STANDING// WEEKEND MEETING
Fellow comrades As ordinary workers serving as members of NACTU trade unions we find ourselves dragged in meetings and caucuses which we believe undermines our trade unions and federation -NACTU Constitution. During the past weekend we received sms's from Cde Maqhekeni encouraging trade unions affiliated to NACTU to write and send letters that support him to continue as the President of NACTU. We believe Cde Maqhekeni must be uphold and respect NACTU trade union, and become an examplary leader. This is how we understand the situation, Cde Maqhekeni can continue as NACTU President if, he remains a paid member of SACWU; 2. He remains a shopsteward of SACWU; But, it is common knowledge that Cde Maqhekeni has reached retirement age and has taken pension, this implies he no longer a qualiified SACWU member and he has been or to be replaced as a shopstwward he cannot serve as a President of NACTU. And standard practices is only trade union officials can be elected to serve as Secrtary Generals of the trade unions and/or NACTU, Cde Maqhekeni does not qualify to be elected and serve as NACTU Secretary General, we believe deep in his heart and conscience the comrade (Maqhekeni) knows this very well. COSATU is falling apart because of national office bearers who serves their own interests and have forgotten about suffering black workers, NACTU should not make the same mistake. As workers we appeal with Cde Mahqekeni not to throw our trade unions federation into a crisis. As workers we are grateful of years Cde Maqhekeni served as NACTU President and we wish well. NACTU requires new young blood of leadership which will bring new ideas and methods to fight capitalist exploitation at workplaces such as higher retrenchments, labour brokers, reject minimum wage of NEDLAC. As NACTU we must become active in outsourcing must fall campaigns and fees must fall campaigns etc. Mayibuye-Izwe Lethu, Amandla T Ndima (shopsteward) -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Forge Principled Unity or Perish!
Izwe lethu M'Afrika As matters stands and also noting the recent reactions/responses, September 2017 will be a critical period for the PAC Unity Program. An inclusive national unity meeting will take place very soon and 3/4 Provincial Unity Consultative meetings are scheduled. The question is will PAC members continue to blame Cde Letlapa or Cde Mpethi or Cde Mbinda as "Presidents" or members and branches will rise above mediocre and salvage the disntegrating PAC? Hence, we must ask will there be a revolutionary Pan Afrikanist party called PAC beyond 2019? If yes, what is that which arouses that confidence and optimism, if the reply will be NO will you take full blame and accountability as a PAC member for failing to salvage and rebuild a revolutionary party called PAC or will you apportioned the collapse of PAC to others? Shnago lashu Nkrumah On 26 May 2016 at 10:27, eddie mfulwane wrote: > Cde Apa > > I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know > you are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of > maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse > PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be > busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows. > > I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non > existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND > THEREFORE NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!* > > Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of > Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to > submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting. > > President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with > IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still > lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will > create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to. > > > Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a > sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like > you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation. > > *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016 > Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC > on 03rd August 2016.* > > > Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda. >> >> Regards, >> Apa Pooe >> Sec for Information and Publicity >> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755 >> >> > > > -- > > *RE.Mfulwane* > > > > > *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie > MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634* > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: COURT RULING - CLARIFICATION AGAINST MOLOTO'S PERPETUITY OF CONFUSION
-- Forwarded message -- From: Gcobani Katiya Date: 27 August 2017 at 11:06 Subject: COURT RULING - CLARIFICATION AGAINST MOLOTO'S PERPETUITY OF CONFUSION To: lmbi...@parliament.gov.za, Sbusiso Xaba , Xolile Ngculu , Eddie Mfulwane , tina.mol...@sacwu.org.za, Mike Trompies , Fikiswa Ntshwanti , Mbulelo Raymond , "Maqhekeni, Joseph (JM)" Fellow africanist. We feel it is necessary to clear the deliberate perpertuity of confussion that is made by Moloto. First, Moloto lost his case with costs to be paid in person. In person refers to Moloto who has made the urgent application to court. Even though in his papers he sited the PAC as an applicant, the court could easily identify him as the cause of action. The leadership of the PAC made application to intervene to the proceedings and was granted. The reason for the leadership having to consider joining is based on the fact that the name of the PAC had to be defended. So it is correct to say that the leadership had to defend the PAC. Moloto's case was challenged both on merit of the evidence he produced in court and on law that governs parliamentary processes and funds. He failed absimally to prove to court that he is an accounting officer and or a leader of a party to sign a declaratory order for parliament to release constituency allowances. Parliament based its defense on common law of ESTOPEL, the Public finance management act(PFMA) and on parliamentary rules for constituency allowances. PAC leadership based its argument on the basis of letters that it wrote to parliament informing them about the suspension of Moloto. These letters included the letter from Deputy president and a letter from Secretary for legal affairs. The position now as it stands is that Moloto is ESTOPED from continuing accessing constituency allowances as he is not a party accounting officer and or a leader. We will see if he can succeed in changelling the law. Izwe lethu. G.H. Katiya. Acting SG -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Brother Bankie F. Bankie is no more
*I struggle to accept the departing of our Brother Bankie F. Bankie..* I have rarely met, learned from and actively interacted with someone as practical as Elder Bankie F Bankie. His absolutism about Pan-Afrikan progress, ideological accuracy and revolutionary commitment was not only reflected in his speech and writing, but in every pore of his life. He was a huge provocation and upsetment to anyone who adores talking nonsense, pretending to be an activist and falsely projecting Afrikan progress. His undying commitment to Afrikan Youth was unquestionable and a HUGE challenge to "arrogant Pan-Africademics" who like to put youth at the back and reserve frontseats for themselves only. To Brother Bankie, young Afrikans belonged in front. Always. Also, his awakened analysis and positioning himself as a recurring alarm-system for Arab-led enslavement, anti-Black terrorism and Arabization was important beyond what many lenient Afrikans could comprehend. Many experienced his "rough" and non-negotiable stubbornness, but if you took time to study where that came from, the source was his impatience with our collective non-progress. Brother Bankie had no time for chatting, chilling and celebrating. His stance was no-rest, no-sleep, no-fear. His passing is a HUGE loss to Afrikan Progress. Warrior Bankie was a Ph"DO" (rather than a PhD) - an ultra-practical Pan-Afrikanist, having completely internalised the struggle and living an Afrikan urgency day and night. On behalf of eBukhosini Solutions in Johannesburg, myself and all entities I have engaged closely with him through, we want to say RISE IN POWER to our departed Brother, Elder, Father, Friend and Progressive Force. May his spirit continue to live through those of us who are still fearless, faithful and militant in our dedication to Afrikan Freedom. May his Ancestral Soul visit us relentlessly, trouble us, wake us up, challenge us, irritate us and PUSH us as hard as necessary - to continue the work that must be done. By ANY means necessary. Peaceful Journey, Beloved Brother and Friend. The struggle does - INDEED - continue. Your life was not in vain. We'll take it from here. Ase' Baba Buntu Executive Director eBukhosini Solutions -- Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU Executive Director Johannesburg Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/ My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu My Skype: baba.buntu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Dear Africanists In the next few weeks, I will be sharing Presidential Report that were presented to the previous NEC meetings. The aim is get alignment among PAC structures in our endeavor to implement Mhlanga Resolutions, #Vision2024. We need PAC structures to discuss politics rather than discussing personalities. Revolutionary regards, Sbusiso Xaba PAC Deputy President -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Good Evening Ma Afrika Please share NB: Picking Points for Cde Phillip Kgosana's Funeral Around Gauteng City of Ekurhuleni Tembisa (Tembi Mall) Cell: 0765306408 Duduza Taxi Rank (Jacob 0769878110) Kwa-thema( Sipho 0833361474) Tsakane Faranani Hall (Goodman 0732141575) Daveyton Mall (Stanley 0839262213) Natalspruit hospital(Thabo 0728760926) City of Johannesburg Lakeside Nhlapo Butchery (Lanarkshire 0642917221) Orange Farm Rank (Thakasile 0825841876) Soweto Merafi north station/meadowpoint/Ghandi square (Goitsemang 0727917722/Mabe 0741831166) Ivory park (ParkengJeff 0767578149) City Of Tshwane Hammanskral(Masoga 0731822656) SOSHA TRANSFER(Ninja 0723013873) Winterveldt (Lesetja 0824800854) Atteridgeville (Ngoatjane 0827619690) Garankuwa And Mamelodi (Lesetja 0824800854) Tut south campus (Majaz 0712257915) West Rand Sonap Kagiso (Vincent 0766835841/Buti 0734379775) SEDIBENG REGION Sharpville Monument( Poppie 0795399259) Sebokeng (Maggie 0624473833) Evaton (Malindi 0825077314) Issued by Tumelo Kgole CEll 0765306408/0618173781 Tshwane Region Revolutionary greetings Sons and Daughters of Afrika Busses to the resting place of POQO P. A Kgosana tomorrow will be coordinated by the following Africanists Soshanguve Ninja Mokhureng Mothapo 0723013873, Winterveld Kubayi 0762279880, Att/ville Police Station Moshate 0738923345, H/skraal Masoga 0731822656, TUT Majaz 0712257915, Garankua Thabo nkwe 0786982646 Mamelodi Taukobong 0769647556. Hopefully this info may assist Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: Tambai Moyo Book
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: mphirim Date: 16/03/2017 21:55 (GMT+02:00) To: My No No , Tshepiso CAC , Tshepi Tapala CAC Subject: Tambai Moyo Book Dead Aid: Why Aid Is Not Working and How There Is a Better Way for Africa https://g.co/kgs/tzaMkH Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] “XENOPHOBIA IN SA” - A Brief Attempt to Explain What is Going on in South Afrika at the Moment
ut, we are helpless when insane flames of violence are towering above us. I hope this gives a bit of a picture of what is happening to those who are outside the country. The struggle continues! *===* *Baba Buntu is a Pan-Afrikan activist-scholar and community-teacher hailing from Anguilla. Went to Azania/SA first in 1993 and repatriated permanently in 2000 - now living and operating the company eBukhosini Solutions in Johannesburg.* -- BABA BUNTU Executive Director Johannesburg Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/ My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu My Skype: baba.buntu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message
0749226361 On 20 Jan 2017 07:40, "'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" wrote: > Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me > 0741531525/0731531525 > > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni < > sipho.samang...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the > members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be > in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is > to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by > those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need > to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > M'Afrika Maoka > > The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and > forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some > perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion. > > All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should > be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up > aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist > manifesto. > > All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete > their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and > component structures. > > All component structures should be operate within their respective > constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi > Seleke Congress > > Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white > supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every > PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the > crystal political mandates. > > 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this > objective. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah Kgagudi > > On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" wrote: > > > Kindly receive the attached > > Kind Regards > > Maoka RN > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com > > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/ group/payco > <http://groups.google.com/group/payco> > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message
Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me 0741531525/0731531525 On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni wrote: people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: M'Afrika Maoka The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion. All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist manifesto. All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and component structures. All component structures should be operate within their respective constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi Seleke Congress Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the crystal political mandates. 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this objective. Shango lashuNkrumah Kgagudi On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" wrote: Kindly receive the attached Kind Regards Maoka RN -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/ group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: SABC Digital News just uploaded a video
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: YouTube Date: 2017/01/15 08:04 (GMT+02:00) To: Mphiri Masoga Subject: SABC Digital News just uploaded a video SABC Digital News has uploaded Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The Village Square" Tlokwe Sehume has dedicated... SABC Digital News has uploaded Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The Village Square" Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The Village Square" SABC Digital News Tlokwe Sehume has dedicated a significant portion of his life researching, understanding, practicing, teaching and challenging society's take on INDIGINOUS MUSIC. Those who know him always and without a shadow of doubt attest to how Sehume takes our culture, tradition and heritage way too seriously to take short-cut to popularity or an uninformed following. Best among his musical achievements is a project titled Medu-Nakeng which assembled a never seen or heard before ensemble that reflected the depth and wealth this country possess in ethnic or indiginous music. His latest work is a show called The Village Square and it focuses on language and music using among other things - praise poetry, indiginous African classical instrument and forgotten languages like Xun. The show will be on at the Market Theatre in Newtown, Johannesburg between the 19th and the 22nd of this month. For more news, visit: http://www.sabc.co.za/news © 2017 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 You were sent this email because you chose to receive updates from SABC Digital News. If you don't want these updates anymore, you can unsubscribe here. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: [SelfHelpNews] Fwd: This Week on 'Africa On The Move - 'The Powerful & Rich Take...While U.S. Wars in Africa Intensify''
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Africa On The Move Date: 2017/01/14 16:22 (GMT+02:00) To: Subject: [SelfHelpNews] Fwd: This Week on 'Africa On The Move - 'The Powerful & Rich Take...While U.S. Wars in Africa Intensify'' -- Forwarded message -- From: Africa On The Move Listen to 'This Week on Africa On the Move' as we discussed the following topics/events: 'The Powerful & Rich Takes...,' 'U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies Terrorized African Women,' 'Elite U.S. Troops In Africa - Why? - 'Neo-Colonialism in Africa Today1; and more...Click on link to listen: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/africa-on-the-move/2017/01/09/part-ii-a-new-year-but-the-struggle-for-freedom-continues1-182017 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SelfHelpNews" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to selfhelpnews+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to selfhelpn...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/selfhelpnews. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/selfhelpnews/CAPn3F9yZOmiEtcfkL_1YRPYAHUuZX1%3D-J-C2W7X_PHXuMrEowg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: Re: [SelfHelpNews] FW: A REMINDER: Afrikan Children Continue To haemorrhage from Mother Afrika
Info Sharing -- Forwarded message -- From: "'Earl Simms' via SelfHelpNews" Date: 05 Jan 2017 16:48 Subject: Re: [SelfHelpNews] FW: A REMINDER: Afrikan Children Continue To haemorrhage from Mother Afrika To: "Self-Help News" , "selfhelpn...@googlegroups.com" Cc: Greetings All This is clear evidence of our young me and women running away from our leaders who have yet to remotely overstand their purpose to our people and that they represent the obstical to progress. The leaders and elites are getting fat and greedy by the day whilst those without connections goes hungry. What kind of Afrika is this for our young people? These problems are man made where those at the top and connected have created. Very sad indeed. Love and Light Kilanji -- *From:* Self-Help News *To:* selfhelpn...@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, 5 January 2017, 0:52 *Subject:* [SelfHelpNews] FW: A REMINDER: Afrikan Children Continue To haemorrhage from Mother Afrika *From:* Anthony Arhin *Sent:* 04 January 2017 22:29 *To:* selfhelpn...@ubol.com *Subject:* Afrikan Youth In Search Of Western Promised Land WHEN WILL IT END??? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/09/libya-influx-migrants-europe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SelfHelpNews" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to selfhelpnews+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to selfhelpn...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/selfhelpnews. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/selfhelpnews/031d01d266dd%243974fee0%24ac5efca0%24%40ubol.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/selfhelpnews/031d01d266dd%243974fee0%24ac5efca0%24%40ubol.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SelfHelpNews" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to selfhelpnews+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to selfhelpn...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/selfhelpnews. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/selfhelpnews/140030164.121668.1483593601156%40mail.yahoo.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/selfhelpnews/140030164.121668.1483593601156%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message
people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > M'Afrika Maoka > > The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and > forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some > perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion. > > All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should > be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up > aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist > manifesto. > > All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete > their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and > component structures. > > All component structures should be operate within their respective > constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi > Seleke Congress > > Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white > supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every > PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the > crystal political mandates. > > 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this > objective. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah Kgagudi > > On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" wrote: > > > Kindly receive the attached > > Kind Regards > > Maoka RN > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Festive Message
M'Afrika Maoka The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion. All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist manifesto. All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and component structures. All component structures should be operate within their respective constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi Seleke Congress Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the crystal political mandates. 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this objective. Shango lashu Nkrumah Kgagudi On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" wrote: Kindly receive the attached Kind Regards Maoka RN -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopeng
'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake Lembede On 29 Oct 2016 7:11 AM, wrote: > 'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake > Lembede > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sbusiso Xaba" > Date: 29 Oct 2016 12:05 AM > Subject: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopeng > To: "sbusiso.xaba" , "Xolani Ngculu" < > xngc...@yahoo.com>, , > Cc: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "MmamoAfrika MoAfrika" > Date: 28 Oct 2016 7:35 PM > Subject: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopng > To: > Cc: > > Shango Lashu! Attached hereto kindly find Prof Sipho Shabalala's Speech. > > > > > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Parents' Solidarity to Ongoing Education Crisis
n in classes. I am also referring to ANC General Secretary, Gwede Mantashe, Minister Blade Ndzimande, Zuma's spokesperson, Bongani Ngqulunga, former Tshwane Mayor, Sputla, current Gauteng Premier, David Makura and Eastern Cape Premier. The list is endless. They are all parents with kids at institutions of learning who fought for free education in the past. I mention the few who were together with us in the trenches in those days. They must be clear where they stand now that they are in power: with the people or the enemy? The progrmme will expose them. Sobukwe said, *asazani sikwazana edabini *(we do not know each other. We will know each other in the struggle). Comrades, there is great possibility that lesser number of new students will be admitted at our universities next year. The ongoing crisis does not only affect current students at those universities. It also affect even those who are still to be born.Its consequences are generational. We cannot allow that to happen because of those former liberators turned oppressors. *Parents: * *“Rise like lions after slumber, * *In unvanquishable numbers. * *Shake your chain to earth like dew, * *Which in sleep had fallen on you. * *Ye are many - they are few.” * ---The Mask of Anarchy Izwe Lethu! Charge-in Mabaso 0710203554 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)
Izwe lethu! Brother Buntu On 16 Sep 2016 09:13, "BabaBuntu" wrote: > *M'Afrika,* > > eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to > > *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN* > > *1st October (all day)* > > *Johannesburg, Gauteng* > > > See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/ > > > > MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember! > > > > Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day) > > Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za > > > > SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men > (18+) on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and > relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no > taboos! > > > > MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on > Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand > themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman > and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The > session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA. > > > > If you are interested, send your email address, name and age – and you > will receive a personal invitation with more details. Note that the session > is informed by Pan-Afrikan cultural philosophy and practice, but not linked > to any religious or political institution. It is suitable for ALL Black men > of all age groups, over 18 years, who are open to Pan-Afrikan ideas. > > > Izwe Lethu iAfrika! > > > i...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za > > SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA / eBukhosini Solutions > > www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za > > > > -- > Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU > Executive Director > Johannesburg > > Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za > Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/ > My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu > My Skype: baba.buntu > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)
*M'Afrika,* eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN* *1st October (all day)* *Johannesburg, Gauteng* See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/ MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember! Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day) Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men (18+) on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no taboos! MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA. If you are interested, send your email address, name and age – and you will receive a personal invitation with more details. Note that the session is informed by Pan-Afrikan cultural philosophy and practice, but not linked to any religious or political institution. It is suitable for ALL Black men of all age groups, over 18 years, who are open to Pan-Afrikan ideas. Izwe Lethu iAfrika! i...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA / eBukhosini Solutions www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za -- Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU Executive Director Johannesburg Our web: www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za Our Facebook: www.facebook.com/ebukhosinisolutions/ My YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/bababuntu My Skype: baba.buntu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Fwd: PAC Research
This research can be highly usefully to the PAC. May please assist the researcher. 'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake Lembede -- Forwarded message -- From: "Lettie Page" Date: 15 Sep 2016 2:34 AM Subject: PAC Research To: Cc: Dear sir > > my name is Mindy Nxele, I am an honours student doing research in > politics. I have chosen a topic on the PAC elections since 1994 until the > 2016 municipal elections. I would like to ask you to assist me in this > research by answering some questions. Attached please find a copy of the > questionnaire. > > Regards > > Mindy Nxele > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Questionare PAC.docx.docx Description: MS-Word 2007 document
Re: [PAYCO] APLA IMBIZO
APLA National Imbizo The APLA National Imbizo will be held on: Date: 01 October 2016 Place: Bloemfontein Venue: is available and will be announced in due course. Those who wish to make accommodation arrangements, please make sure that you make bookings in Bloemfontein Central, not far from Mimosa Mall. This is a call to all former APLA forces to come reminisce and where practical see how best can we help each other going forward. For more details contact Ntsiki Kungwayo aka Nosipho Gaca @ 082 224 1686 during working hours or send an email to ntsikikungw...@gmail.com Please share On 14 Sep 2016 18:54, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > Comrade Nkrumah > > Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved. > > The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we > speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference" whether > the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason > parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default. > Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based > on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another > issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There > is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses > that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line > with the PAC Constitution). > > The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works > outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My > proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to > convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but > all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA, > PAYCO and PASMA) agree to continue with the talks and convening of the PAC > Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in > political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction > only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction / > group. > > On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at > provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM > decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM > member I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so > by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself. > Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf > of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously. > > My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is > not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at > a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so > especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just > know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity > meetings / conferences at the moment. > > Izwe Lethu! > > > > > > On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Cde Chargein >> >> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments >> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court >> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC, >> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers >> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters, >> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed. >> >> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an >> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional >> roles. >> >> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach >> of a Joint Committee then what? This once again becomes an issue for PAC >> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity. >> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating >> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same >> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership >> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM >> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call. >> >> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and >> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity. >> >> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the >> programme
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Comrade Nkrumah Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved. The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference" whether the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default. Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line with the PAC Constitution). The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA, PAYCO and PASMA) agree to continue with the talks and convening of the PAC Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction / group. On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM member I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself. Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously. My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity meetings / conferences at the moment. Izwe Lethu! On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: > Cde Chargein > > Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments > hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court > ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC, > the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers > Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters, > elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed. > > If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an > illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional > roles. > > If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach > of a Joint Committee then what? This once again becomes an issue for PAC > members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity. > Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating > Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same > unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership > faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM > delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call. > > Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and > frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity. > > Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the > programme to forge principled unity of the PAC;, PAM and any leadership > faction which embraces this call of principled party Unity must also close > ranks and march ahead. > > Shango lashu > > Nkrumah > > On 14 Sep 2016 17:30, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures >> not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the >> Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly >> constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC >> Constitution? Which clause (s) in the PAC Constitution will be followed to >> establish the new structure constitutionally and also have the powers to >> convene the PAC National Conference or Congress in line with the PAC >> Constitution? According to the PAC Constitution, it is only the PAC NEC has >> powers to convene the PAC National Conference / Congress, not other >> str
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; >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of >>>>>> party >>>>>> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent >>>>>> programmatic >>>>>> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements >>>>>> of the >>>>>> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the >>>>>> >> > problem >>>>>> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a >>>>>> solution. >>>>>> >> > These >>>>>> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, >>>>>> which then >>>>>> >> in >>>>>> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete >>>>>> top-level >>>>>> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, >>>>>> by >>>>>> >> > which >>>>>> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and >>>>>> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works >>>>>> from >>>>>> >> > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of >>>>>> people >>>>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a >>>>>> decision to >>>>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of >>>>>> >> > activists, >>>>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a >>>>>> "bottom-up" >>>>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an >>>>>> incremental >>>>>> >> > change >>>>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and >>>>>> upheld >>>>>> >> > primarily by members. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in >>>>>> one >>>>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized >>>>>> soon." Two >>>>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if >>>>>> members >>>>>> >> per >>>>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an >>>>>> inclusive >>>>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by >>>>>> what >>>>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to >>>>>> >> > denounce >>>>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering >>>>>> will >>>>>> >> catalyse >>>>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the >>>>>> following >>>>>> >> > bottom >>>>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa >>>>>> leaderships to >>>>>> >> an >>>>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank >>>>>> discussions on >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >>>>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg >>>>>> Region, >>>>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >>>>>> >> > principles >>>>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce >>>>>> factionalism >>>>>> >> > and >>>>>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, >>>>>> meetings, >>>>>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have >>>>>> started >>>>>> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >>>>>> >> > branch >>>>>> >> > meet
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proach to changes one that works >>>>> from >>>>> >> > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of >>>>> people >>>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a >>>>> decision to >>>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of >>>>> >> > activists, >>>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a >>>>> "bottom-up" >>>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental >>>>> >> > change >>>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld >>>>> >> > primarily by members. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in >>>>> one >>>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." >>>>> Two >>>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if >>>>> members >>>>> >> per >>>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an >>>>> inclusive >>>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by >>>>> what >>>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to >>>>> >> > denounce >>>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will >>>>> >> catalyse >>>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following >>>>> >> > bottom >>>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa >>>>> leaderships to >>>>> >> an >>>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank >>>>> discussions on >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >>>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg >>>>> Region, >>>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >>>>> >> > principles >>>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce >>>>> factionalism >>>>> >> > and >>>>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, >>>>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have >>>>> started >>>>> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >>>>> >> > branch >>>>> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are >>>>> encouraged to >>>>> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC >>>>> branch. >>>>> >> We >>>>> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild >>>>> >> > party >>>>> >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should >>>>> >> > propagate >>>>> >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. >>>>> Regular >>>>> >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many >>>>> >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party >>>>> >> (re)building >>>>> >> > programme. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem >>>>> solving.] >>>>> >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity >>>>> Consultative >>>>> >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of >>>>> Action. >>>>> >> What's >>>>> >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged >>>>> >> > principled >>>>> >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor >>>>> >> progress >>>>&
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t;> > unity >>>> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 >>>> hours) >>>> >> and >>>> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may >>>> lack >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly >>>> >> elitist >>>> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates >>>> can >>>> >> > attend the conference . >>>> >> > >>>> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the >>>> >> necessity >>>> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional >>>> levels as >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled >>>> unity of >>>> >> the >>>> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of >>>> party >>>> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent >>>> programmatic >>>> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of >>>> the >>>> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the >>>> >> > problem >>>> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. >>>> >> > These >>>> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which >>>> then >>>> >> in >>>> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete >>>> top-level >>>> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by >>>> >> > which >>>> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and >>>> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works >>>> from >>>> >> > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of >>>> people >>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a >>>> decision to >>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of >>>> >> > activists, >>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a >>>> "bottom-up" >>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental >>>> >> > change >>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld >>>> >> > primarily by members. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in >>>> one >>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." >>>> Two >>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if >>>> members >>>> >> per >>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an >>>> inclusive >>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by >>>> what >>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to >>>> >> > denounce >>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will >>>> >> catalyse >>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following >>>> >> > bottom >>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa >>>> leaderships to >>>> >> an >>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank >>>> discussions on >>>> >> the >>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg >>>> Region, >>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >>>> >> > principles >>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce >>>> factionalism >>>> >> > and &g
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>> >> an >>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank >>> discussions on >>> >> the >>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, >>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >>> >> > principles >>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce >>> factionalism >>> >> > and >>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, >>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started >>> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >>> >> > branch >>> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are >>> encouraged to >>> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC >>> branch. >>> >> We >>> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild >>> >> > party >>> >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should >>> >> > propagate >>> >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. >>> Regular >>> >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many >>> >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party >>> >> (re)building >>> >> > programme. >>> >> > >>> >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem >>> solving.] >>> >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity >>> Consultative >>> >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. >>> >> What's >>> >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged >>> >> > principled >>> >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor >>> >> progress >>> >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial >>> >> level >>> >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. Finally >>> >> > organisationally we aim at a set of i >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> -- >>> >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> >> >>> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >> >>> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >> >>> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -- >>> > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> > >>> > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> > >>> > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> > >>> > --- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> -- >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. 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ed bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, >> >> > >> >> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an >> >> > unity >> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 >> hours) >> >> and >> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may >> lack >> >> > a >> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly >> >> elitist >> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates >> can >> >> > attend the conference . >> >> > >> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the >> >> necessity >> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional levels >> as >> >> > a >> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity >> of >> >> the >> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of >> party >> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic >> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the >> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the >> >> > problem >> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. >> >> > These >> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which >> then >> >> in >> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level >> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by >> >> > which >> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and >> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from >> >> > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people >> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision >> to >> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of >> >> > activists, >> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up" >> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental >> >> > change >> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld >> >> > primarily by members. >> >> > >> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one >> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two >> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if >> members >> >> per >> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive >> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what >> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to >> >> > denounce >> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will >> >> catalyse >> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following >> >> > bottom >> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships >> to >> >> an >> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions >> on >> >> the >> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, >> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >> >> > principles >> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism >> >> > and >> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, >> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started >> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >> >> > branch >> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged >> to >> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC >> branch. >> >> We >> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and r
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d boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will > >> catalyse > >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following > >> > bottom > >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships > to > >> an > >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions > on > >> the > >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them > >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, > >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around > >> > principles > >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism > >> > and > >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, > >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started > >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive > >> > branch > >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged > to > >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC > branch. > >> We > >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild > >> > party > >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should > >> > propagate > >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. Regular > >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many > >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party > >> (re)building > >> > programme. > >> > > >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.] > >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative > >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. > >> What's > >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged > >> > principled > >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor > >> progress > >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial > >> level > >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. Finally > >> > organisationally we aim at a set of i > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >> > >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > >> > >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > >> > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > > > -- > > -- > > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >> > branch >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch. >> We >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild >> > party >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should >> > propagate >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. Regular >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party >> (re)building >> > programme. >> > >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.] >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. >> What's >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged >> > principled >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor >> progress >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial >> level >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. Finally >> > organisationally we aim at a set of i >> >> -- >> -- >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Cde Chargein Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge principled unity? Regards Nkrumah On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > Comrade Nkrumah > > Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. > > The explanation you gave do not assist > > > On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Cde Chargin > > > > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, > > > > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity > > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours) > and > > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a > > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly > elitist > > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can > > attend the conference . > > > > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the > necessity > > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional levels as a > > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of > the > > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party > > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic > > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the > > system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem > > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These > > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then > in > > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level > > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which > > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and > > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from > > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people > > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to > > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists, > > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up" > > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change > > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld > > primarily by members. > > > > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one > > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two > > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members > per > > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive > > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what > > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce > > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will > catalyse > > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom > > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to > an > > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on > the > > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them > > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, > > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles > > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and > > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, > > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started > > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch > > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to > > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch. > We > > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party > > structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate > > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. Regular > > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many > > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party > (re)building > > programme. > > > > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.] > > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative > > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. > What's > > fundamental is members must agree as to what c
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Comrade Nkrumah Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. The explanation you gave do not assist On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: > Cde Chargin > > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, > > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours) and > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly elitist > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can > attend the conference . > > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the necessity > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional levels as a > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of the > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the > system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then in > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists, > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up" > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld > primarily by members. > > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members per > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will catalyse > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to an > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on the > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch. We > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party > structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. Regular > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party (re)building > programme. > > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.] > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. What's > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged principled > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor progress > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial level > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. Finally > organisationally we aim at a set of i -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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>>> constitution >>> >>> and disciplinary code; >>> >>> >>> >>> ·Organise ideological and political workshops on regular >>> basis >>> >>> at regional and provincial level; >>> >>> >>> >>> ·Initiate and organise mass based community struggles; >>> >>> >>> >>> ·Organise regular all inclusive provincial meetings to >>> >>> consolidate unity with common purpose and consolidate gains made; >>> >>> >>> >>> ·Approach the PAC national unity conference from a position >>> of >>> >>> unity achieved from the bottom to top, that is branches to regional >>> then >>> >>> provincial; >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Avoid attending and convening national conferences coming from your >>> >>> branches and regions being divided and highly factionalised, instead >>> >>> approach national unity conference from a position where concrete >>> steps >>> >>> and >>> >>> actions has been taken, gains had been to forge principle unity from >>> the >>> >>> branch level moving upward. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If P .A.C. wants to forge ahead, it must adopt and carry out this >>> >>> principle with firmness and thoroughness. To address and root out >>> >>> Factionalism which the party basic documents has concluded that >>> >>> “Factionalism is the enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the >>> Party >>> >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at >>> its >>> >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the >>> movement. >>> >>> A >>> >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its >>> >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of >>> >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free >>> discussion >>> >>> fail >>> >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come >>> into >>> >>> play, and factional”. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Shango Lashu >>> >>> >>> >>> NKrumah >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso >> > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah >>> >>>> >>> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would >>> like >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position >>> is >>> >>>> not >>> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I >>> am >>> >>>> not >>> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position >>> on >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other >>> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All >>> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same >>> challenge >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as >>> enshrined >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific >>> >>>> approach. >>> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People >>> want to >>> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the >>> >>>> current >>> >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC >>> have >>> >>>> their >>> >>
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and unity of action”, the >> Party >> >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at >> its >> >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the >> movement. >> >>> A >> >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its >> >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of >> >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free discussion >> >>> fail >> >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come >> into >> >>> play, and factional”. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Shango Lashu >> >>> >> >>> NKrumah >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah >> >>>> >> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil? >> >>>> >> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would like >> >>>> to >> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position >> is >> >>>> not >> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I >> am >> >>>> not >> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on >> >>>> the >> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other >> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All >> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same >> challenge >> >>>> of >> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as >> enshrined >> >>>> in >> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific >> >>>> approach. >> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. >> >>>> >> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want >> to >> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the >> >>>> current >> >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have >> >>>> their >> >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of >> >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, >> >>>> APRP, >> >>>> etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those >> wounds, >> >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The >> >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like >> the >> >>>> ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. >> >>>> >> >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic >> >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from >> >>>> my >> >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC >> Basic >> >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the >> >>>> PAC >> >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. >> Take, >> >>>> for >> >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the >> >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code >> >>>> after >> >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever >> >>>> disprove >> >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us >> >>>> as >> >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades >> start >> >>>> to >> >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the >> intentions >> >>>> of >> >>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who >> openly >> >>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line >> they >> >>>>
[PAYCO] re: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
Feast on the attached summary of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins and draw your own conclusions on the wall of Alkebulan's politics. We undoubtedly have our own local version of Economic Hit Men in this country concealed as advisors of all sorts deliberately misleading and distorting government policy formulation so that whites can remain ahead for many years to come despite a black-led government running the show. ANC’s JZ is unquestionably a dullard to be behind the jitterbug he dances regarding "State capture" issue. That he manages to slither after enough evidence pointing at him as the source confirms that well placed strategists in geopolitical space definitely have him in their back pocket. Ma-Afrika, Africa is in dire need of real Africanists to lead blacks to life abundance not part-time chihuahuas like the EFF; goofys like the ANC, certainly not leaders like Kabila; Nkurunziza etc. Good morning revolution!!! Izwe Lethu … i-Afrika!!!http://resistir.info/livros/john_perkins_confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man.pdf -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Sent from my iPhone -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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;>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is > >>>> not > >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am > >>>> not > >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on > >>>> the > >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other > >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All > >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge > >>>> of > >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as > enshrined > >>>> in > >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific > >>>> approach. > >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. > >>>> > >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want > to > >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the > >>>> current > >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have > >>>> their > >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of > >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, > >>>> APRP, > >>>> etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds, > >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The > >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like > the > >>>> ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. > >>>> > >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic > >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from > >>>> my > >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic > >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the > >>>> PAC > >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, > >>>> for > >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the > >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code > >>>> after > >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever > >>>> disprove > >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us > >>>> as > >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades > start > >>>> to > >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions > >>>> of > >>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly > >>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they > >>>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes > >>>> me > >>>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that > >>>> is > >>>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and > >>>> Nkrumah > >>>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move > >>>> is > >>>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings > >>>> of > >>>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick" > >>>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest > >>>> and > >>>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing > >>>> with > >>>> their enemies. > >>>> > >>>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I > am > >>>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this > >>>> stage. > >>>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic > >>>> Documents, > >>>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and > >>>> daughters > >>>> of the soil. > >>>> > >>>> I am available next week from Monday to Friday. I will be around > >>>> Joburg > >>>> for the whole week. We can meet at an
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ith common purpose and consolidate gains made; >>> >>> ·Approach the PAC national unity conference from a position of >>> unity achieved from the bottom to top, that is branches to regional then >>> provincial; >>> >>> >>> >>> Avoid attending and convening national conferences coming from your >>> branches and regions being divided and highly factionalised, instead >>> approach national unity conference from a position where concrete steps >>> and >>> actions has been taken, gains had been to forge principle unity from the >>> branch level moving upward. >>> >>> >>> If P .A.C. wants to forge ahead, it must adopt and carry out this >>> principle with firmness and thoroughness. To address and root out >>> Factionalism which the party basic documents has concluded that >>> “Factionalism is the enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the Party >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at its >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the movement. >>> A >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free discussion >>> fail >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come into >>> play, and factional”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Shango Lashu >>> >>> NKrumah >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah >>>> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil? >>>> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would like >>>> to >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is >>>> not >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am >>>> not >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on >>>> the >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge >>>> of >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined >>>> in >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific >>>> approach. >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. >>>> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the >>>> current >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have >>>> their >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, >>>> APRP, >>>> etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds, >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the >>>> ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. >>>> >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from >>>> my >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the >>>> PAC >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, >>>> for >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code >>>> after >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever >>>> disprove >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us >>>> as >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start >>>> to >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions >>>> of >>>> those Party members. I kn
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n on the >>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other >>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All >>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge of >>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined in >>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific approach. >>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. >>> >>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to >>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the current >>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have their >>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of >>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, APRP, >>> etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds, >>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The >>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the >>> ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. >>> >>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic >>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from my >>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic >>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the PAC >>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, for >>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the >>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code after >>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever disprove >>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us as >>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start to >>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions of >>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly >>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they >>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me >>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is >>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah >>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is >>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of >>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick" >>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and >>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with >>> their enemies. >>> >>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am >>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage. >>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents, >>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters >>> of the soil. >>> >>> I am available next week from Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg >>> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in >>> contact. >>> >>> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up >>> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong. My instinct and logic say the >>> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after >>> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later, >>> comrade. >>> >>> Izwe Lethu! >>> >>> >>> Charge-in Mabaso >>> Cell: 071 020 3554 >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Cde Charge in >>>> >>>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and >>>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising >>>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as >>>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist >>>> initiators. >>>> >>>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, >>
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Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they >> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me >> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is >> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah >> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is >> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of >> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick" >> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and >> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with >> their enemies. >> >> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am >> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage. >> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents, >> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters >> of the soil. >> >> I am available next week from Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg >> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in >> contact. >> >> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up >> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong. My instinct and logic say the >> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after >> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later, >> comrade. >> >> Izwe Lethu! >> >> >> Charge-in Mabaso >> Cell: 071 020 3554 >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cde Charge in >>> >>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and >>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising >>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as >>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist >>> initiators. >>> >>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, >>> in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to >>> rebuild ftom the bottom. >>> >>> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. >>> >>> Shango lashu >>> Nkrumah >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: >>> >>>> Ma-Afrika >>>> >>>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the >>>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope >>>> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the >>>> right direction. >>>> >>>> Izwe Lethu! >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>> >>>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. 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Shocking news! May his soul rest in peace. On 12/09/2016, Mawabo Sijila wrote: > M-Afrika! > Kungosizi ukuvakalisa ngokushiywa kwethu nguCde Lulamile Mdoda, > ngokugwintwa/okanye ukukhuthuzwa, oonongqayi betalipokisi / oonqawayiphuzwa > (amapolisa) basaphanda, ebekwindlela esingise emsebenzini kutshanje. > > Yanga umphefumlo wakhe ungalala ngoxolo. > > Uhambo lwakho ngesiquphe lusothusile Mzangwa, sisaman’ ukukuthundeza, > singabanye nabanye, ngale naleya ngokwezigaba ebesisajonge ukuba > mawuzifikelele njengomntu, njengabakhuluwa bakho nyana wesizwe. > > Izwe lethu iAfrika! > > Mawabo Sijila > > > "All views or opinions expressed in this electronic message and its > attachments are the view of the sender and do not necessarily reflect the > views and opinions of the Western Cape Government (the WCG). No employee of > the WCG is entitled to conclude a binding contract on behalf of the WCG > unless he/she is an accounting officer of the WCG, or his or her authorised > representative. The information contained in this message and its > attachments may be confidential or privileged and is for the use of the > named recipient only, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. > If you are not the intended recipient you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone." > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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a space to >> rebuild ftom the bottom. >> >> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. >> >> Shango lashu >> Nkrumah >> >> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: >> >>> Ma-Afrika >>> >>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the >>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope >>> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the >>> right direction. >>> >>> Izwe Lethu! >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> -- >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Comrade Nkrumah How are you, Son of the soil? I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would like to share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is not cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am not informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on the scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge of factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific approach. Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the current crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have their roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, APRP, etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds, surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from my experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the PAC Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, for example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code after Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever disprove the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us as Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start to question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions of those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick" stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with their enemies. May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage. The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents, no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters of the soil. I am available next week from Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in contact. I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up approaches will ever work. I may be wrong. My instinct and logic say the opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later, comrade. Izwe Lethu! Charge-in Mabaso Cell: 071 020 3554 . On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: > Cde Charge in > > Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and > Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising > from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as > long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist > initiators. > > Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in > some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to > rebuild ftom the bottom. > > I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > > On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > >> Ma-Afrika >> >> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the >> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope >> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the >> right direction. >> >> Izwe Lethu! >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> Sending your posting to payco@googlegr
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Cde Charge in Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist initiators. Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to rebuild ftom the bottom. I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. Shango lashu Nkrumah On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" wrote: > Ma-Afrika > > Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the > debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope > that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the > right direction. > > Izwe Lethu! > > . > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Free education, etc
This is again the right time for the PAC leadership to take this moment in redeeming the party by supporting the students across the country on free education. Leaders must display their leadership skills by visiting institutions of higher learning. PAC can also be redeemed through leadership by tackling the following: To fight for the scrapping tollgates and e tolls around the country, to fight for the review of UIF laws which deny an employee to get his money once resigning voluntarily, the PAC leadership must for the government fuel subsidy, the PAC must challenge the ANC regime to subsidize basic food such as bread, maizemeal, milk,etc. I would appeal to Mr Mbinda to use his rights in parliament to lobby other parties and debate about this issues. This will even help end the factions because members simply need leaders who are talking and challenging issues as they unfold -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
MAfrika, Good day. The current political developments in our country at the moment have open a new opportunity for Pan Africanists to go back to the drawing board and do some serious introspection. The current voter apathy, poor PAC/PAM performance and the politics of coalitions after the recent local government elections say a lot to any serious-minded political party still wishing to continue to exist and survive in the current turbulent political situation in South Africa. We are entering interesting times in the history of our country. The developments send a clear message to all of us about the coming National Elections in 2019. We must do something now or forget about making impact in 2019. We must position ourselves now to be either the ruling party, or the official opposition, or a kingmaker in 2019. It is our chance as a monolithic united party not factions and breakaway parties. If we are serious enough, we can make it. If not, serious-minded Pan Africanists should come together and form one voice like the EFF did. We cannot waste our precious time with nicetime clowns who are paying lip-service to unity whilst inwardly opposed to it. Let's give them the last chance up to the end of September 2016 and kiss and say goodbye to unity talks.Get me right: A united PAC can be an ideal situation. A united PAC can become the ruling party in 2019. It is possible. It is no longer a pie in the sky. If PAC unity is not achievable in our lifetime because of some political turncoats in our midst, it's bad luck. Mafrika, we must ask ourselves why voters prefer to vote for everyone else (every Jack and Jill) but not Pan Africanists. They also vote for independents but not us, WHY? We must answer that question. Other parties are having sleepless nights positioning themselves strategically for 2019. Pan Africanists will from now onward be busy fighting each otherin courts of law instead of closing ranks and position themselves to occupy the existing political vacuum in our country. Many of the people who did not vote do not associate themselves with the current political stream (ANC, DA and EFF). They have no political home.In the meantime, we are aloof and divorced from the masses but not PASMA. PASMA is deeply involved is student politics. The question is: did PASMA vote in the local elections? Which party they voted for? Remember: I said some PASMA members belong to other political parties, not necessary to PAC as many people wish us to believe, unlike PASO we launched in 1989. Comrades, we cannot expect to be voted into power if we do not lead the masses in their daily struggles where they are fighting for their bread and butter issues in their communities and workplaces through civic movements, trade unions, youth organisations, etc. We cannot avoid theses questions for too long if we are serious about wining power. Did NACTU affiliates vote in these elections? Which party they voted for? Where is Maqhekeni? I only saw him on TV with ANC ministers Pravin Gordon. Is he still a PAC member like Sdumo of Cosatu is an ANC member? Something is wrong somewhere? Where is Narius Moloto as NACTU Secretary General? Is he still a PAC member? Where is NACTU they lead? Which party NACTU members voted for? These are the difficult questions we must ask a conference or bosberaad? All these comrades should account if they are deployed by the Party in NACTU and PASMA. We cannot call them to account if they are there for themselves. I talk from experience. We were instructed by Zeph Mothopeng to launch PASO and we accounted to him and to PAC leadership accordingly for PASO activities, not to ourselves. We were at one stage instructed to recruit PASO members to join PAC and APLA, and we did just that. That is why we adopted the slogan, "PASO By Day, APLA By Night!" What is wrong with PASMA, PAYCO, and NACTU? Where are they accounting to, to themselves? Hayi khona Something must be done. .COSATU, ANCYL, SASCO and SANCO are all accounting to the ANC leadership. If they cannot acount to our Party, we must disband them and launch new ones. That is it. We cannot have fellow travelers in politics. . The truth is: We have all failed the Party in one way or another, even for not asking ourselves the right questions. . Mafrika, bourgeois mentality of relying on campaigns just few weeks before elections does not work. I did not work for the past 22 years. When are we going to learn it? Are we so dumb to learn from our past mistakes? Let's wake up from the political stupor. other parties are wide awake except us..PAC grew overnight after the Status and Positive Action Camapains. It also grew in strength after the launch of AZANYU and PASO. It did not grow because of posters, TV shows, etc. Mass action is what counts, not mass demonstration. The chaos caused by EFF in parliament and land grabs is paying dividends now. It has opted to play opposition role in the coalition politics so as to continue cr
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
Izwe lethu There is no existence of Mpethi's adventure political party in Johannesburg Region, and positive gains is PAC members lost to APC and PAM are now returning back. We speak principled unity to re-build PAC as mas based revolutionary party for the seizure of state political power to establish an Afrikanist Socialist Democracy,it's not easy but we are making meaningful progress. Shango lashu Nkrumah On 17 August 2016 at 11:55, Mphiri Masoga wrote: > Good Morning MoAfrika Mashilo > > PASMA I am referring to Newly formed organisation by those who wanted > UNITY with the intention to deceive PAC and its Loyal Members > > Please ensure that you engage with people who have Integrity and can be > trusted when you continue with your programme as "Johannesburg Region" > > Regards, > > *electronically send no signed - authentic * > > Mphiri Masoga > SACWU > T (012) 320 6472 - 5 > F (012) 320 2179 > F2email: 086 225 4254 > Email: mphi...@gmail.com > C 073 182 2656 > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass >> agitation in regard to fees must fall. >> >> Nkrumah >> >> On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga wrote: >> >>> Good Morning MaAfrika >>> >>> What happened to PASMA AND ARM? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> *electronically send no signed - authentic * >>> >>> Mphiri Masoga >>> SACWU >>> T (012) 320 6472 - 5 >>> F (012) 320 2179 >>> F2email: 086 225 4254 >>> Email: mphi...@gmail.com >>> C 073 182 2656 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Comrades >>>>> >>>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the >>>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and >>>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that >>>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face >>>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has >>>>> already started. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big >>>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge >>>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba >>>>> izozala nkomoni? >>>>> >>>>> Izwe Lethu! >>>>> >>>>> Charge-in Mabaso >>>>> Ex- PASO Veteran >>>>> 0710203554 >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote: >>>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the >>>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the >>>>> many other >>>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years. >>>>> > >>>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s >>>>> inability to >>>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find >>>>> attractive >>>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be >>>>> made here >>>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for >>>>> organisational >>>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s >>>>> > direction and success. >>>>> > >>>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well >>>>> done to the >>>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of >>>>> this >>>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, >>>>> herein. >>>>> > >>>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President >>>>> Letlapa >>>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self >>>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many >>>>> peop
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
Good Morning MoAfrika Mashilo PASMA I am referring to Newly formed organisation by those who wanted UNITY with the intention to deceive PAC and its Loyal Members Please ensure that you engage with people who have Integrity and can be trusted when you continue with your programme as "Johannesburg Region" Regards, *electronically send no signed - authentic * Mphiri Masoga SACWU T (012) 320 6472 - 5 F (012) 320 2179 F2email: 086 225 4254 Email: mphi...@gmail.com C 073 182 2656 On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass > agitation in regard to fees must fall. > > Nkrumah > > On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga wrote: > >> Good Morning MaAfrika >> >> What happened to PASMA AND ARM? >> >> Regards, >> >> *electronically send no signed - authentic * >> >> Mphiri Masoga >> SACWU >> T (012) 320 6472 - 5 >> F (012) 320 2179 >> F2email: 086 225 4254 >> Email: mphi...@gmail.com >> C 073 182 2656 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Comrades >>>> >>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the >>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and >>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that >>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face >>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has >>>> already started. >>>> >>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big >>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge >>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba >>>> izozala nkomoni? >>>> >>>> Izwe Lethu! >>>> >>>> Charge-in Mabaso >>>> Ex- PASO Veteran >>>> 0710203554 >>>> >>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote: >>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the >>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the >>>> many other >>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years. >>>> > >>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability >>>> to >>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find >>>> attractive >>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made >>>> here >>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for >>>> organisational >>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s >>>> > direction and success. >>>> > >>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done >>>> to the >>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this >>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, >>>> herein. >>>> > >>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President >>>> Letlapa >>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self >>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people >>>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity >>>> to take >>>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear >>>> mandate, for >>>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure >>>> proper >>>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the >>>> time, >>>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent >>>> place. >>>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The >>>> list of >>>> > indecision instances is sizeable. >>>> > >>>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and >>>> would be >>>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves. >&
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass agitation in regard to fees must fall. Nkrumah On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga wrote: > Good Morning MaAfrika > > What happened to PASMA AND ARM? > > Regards, > > *electronically send no signed - authentic * > > Mphiri Masoga > SACWU > T (012) 320 6472 - 5 > F (012) 320 2179 > F2email: 086 225 4254 > Email: mphi...@gmail.com > C 073 182 2656 > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso >> wrote: >> >>> Comrades >>> >>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the >>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and >>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that >>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face >>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has >>> already started. >>> >>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big >>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge >>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba >>> izozala nkomoni? >>> >>> Izwe Lethu! >>> >>> Charge-in Mabaso >>> Ex- PASO Veteran >>> 0710203554 >>> >>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote: >>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the >>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many >>> other >>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years. >>> > >>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability >>> to >>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find >>> attractive >>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made >>> here >>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for >>> organisational >>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s >>> > direction and success. >>> > >>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done >>> to the >>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this >>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, >>> herein. >>> > >>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President >>> Letlapa >>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self >>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people >>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity >>> to take >>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear >>> mandate, for >>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure >>> proper >>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the >>> time, >>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent >>> place. >>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The >>> list of >>> > indecision instances is sizeable. >>> > >>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and >>> would be >>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves. >>> > >>> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and >>> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces. >>> This was >>> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the >>> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some >>> league >>> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who >>> led >>> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue >>> is >>> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but >>> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable, >>> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of >>> 'mitigation'. In >>> > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to >>> ma
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
Good Morning MaAfrika What happened to PASMA AND ARM? Regards, *electronically send no signed - authentic * Mphiri Masoga SACWU T (012) 320 6472 - 5 F (012) 320 2179 F2email: 086 225 4254 Email: mphi...@gmail.com C 073 182 2656 On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso > wrote: > >> Comrades >> >> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the >> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and >> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that >> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face >> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has >> already started. >> >> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big >> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge >> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba >> izozala nkomoni? >> >> Izwe Lethu! >> >> Charge-in Mabaso >> Ex- PASO Veteran >> 0710203554 >> >> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote: >> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the >> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many >> other >> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years. >> > >> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability to >> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find >> attractive >> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made >> here >> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for >> organisational >> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s >> > direction and success. >> > >> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done >> to the >> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this >> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, >> herein. >> > >> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President >> Letlapa >> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self >> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people >> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity to >> take >> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear >> mandate, for >> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure >> proper >> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the >> time, >> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent >> place. >> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The >> list of >> > indecision instances is sizeable. >> > >> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and >> would be >> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves. >> > >> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and >> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces. >> This was >> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the >> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some league >> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who led >> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue >> is >> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but >> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable, >> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of >> 'mitigation'. In >> > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to mainly >> the >> > few councillor segments most of whom are driven by survivalist >> interests. >> > >> > So having seen all of these, the outcome was always on the cards. >> > >> > My real issue is what then, and I think we must tread slowly, carefully >> and >> > robustly drawing from our past experiences. >> > >> > There is no doubt as there never was, that the Alice concoction was ill >> > advised and fatal for the Party. Whatever we do on the leadership >> question, >> > we must place cadres in charge only once we know fully wel
Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling
On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso wrote: > Comrades > > Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the > violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and > how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that > always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face > instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has > already started. > > Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big > test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge > responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba > izozala nkomoni? > > Izwe Lethu! > > Charge-in Mabaso > Ex- PASO Veteran > 0710203554 > > On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote: > > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the > > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many > other > > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years. > > > > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability to > > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find > attractive > > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made > here > > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for > organisational > > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s > > direction and success. > > > > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done to > the > > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this > > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, > herein. > > > > In less than six months of office it became evident that President > Letlapa > > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self > > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people > > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity to > take > > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear mandate, > for > > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure > proper > > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the time, > > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent > place. > > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The list > of > > indecision instances is sizeable. > > > > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and would > be > > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves. > > > > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and > > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces. This > was > > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the > > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some league > > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who led > > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue is > > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but > > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable, > > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of > 'mitigation'. In > > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to mainly > the > > few councillor segments most of whom are driven by survivalist interests. > > > > So having seen all of these, the outcome was always on the cards. > > > > My real issue is what then, and I think we must tread slowly, carefully > and > > robustly drawing from our past experiences. > > > > There is no doubt as there never was, that the Alice concoction was ill > > advised and fatal for the Party. Whatever we do on the leadership > question, > > we must place cadres in charge only once we know fully well what they > stand > > for and what their character make is. It is this aspect we should engage > > each other accross. > > > > Izwe Lethu iAfrika ! > > > > Matome Mashao > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tommy ka-Ntando > > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com > > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:44:41 > > To: payco@googlegroups.com > > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [PAYCO] Re: [PAC] Gauteng meeting > > > > Cde Jabu! > > I want to thank > > you for the initiative you took on an endeavour to coordinate PAC in your > > region.
[PAYCO] Re: PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION UNITY AND FOWARD MOVEMENT
Izwe lethu Reading these e-mails one wonders, in the last 3 years,how far has PAC moved to resolve internal feuding and forge principled unity? Nkrumah On 19 March 2013 at 14:29, Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote: > Greetings, M’Afrika > > > > This is a summary of the outcomes of PAC Johannesburg regional meeting > held on the 17th March 2013. PAC members and branches in Johannesburg > region acknowledged that for long the party has been ravaged by divisions > and unjustified internal conflicts, and that there has been a disregard of > the party constitution and principles which should govern our political > work as members and structures. PAC Johannesburg region members and > branches resolved not to proceed with the regional congress instead focus > on forging a principled unity that is based on full adherence to basic > party principles as outlined in the PAC Ga-Matlala Constitution and > Disciplinary Code. And members also resolved to disbanded parallel > structures that were existing namely the Alexandra December 2012 ‘Regional > Executive Committee’ and the Preparatory Committee formed on the 25th > November 2012. The regional meeting resolved and encouraged all PAC members > in Johannesburg to willing and committed to contribute in the > re-organisation and rebuilding of the PAC to become active and adhere with > the party constitution and disciplinary code. Members resolved that unity > of party members is supreme to achieve a functional and focused PAC in > Johannesburg region. > > > > On the 17th March 2013 members and branches further resolved:- > > > > · To embrace unity and to subject all party political work to be > within the prescripts of PAC Ga-Matlala 2000 Constitution; > > · To form an inclusive and unifying Preparatory Committee that > will coordinate and administer the regional activities towards the regional > congress and other regional activities, supervised by the National > Organiser; > > · An inclusive and unifying Johannesburg Regional Congress will > be held on the 19th May 2013; > > · The regional congress shall be held as per the prescripts of > the party constitution; > > · In April 2013, there will be a regional general meeting that > should focus and deliberate on discussion documents that should focus the > party members on programme, strategy and plan of actions including policy > documents. Aims at formulating strategies that will aim at giving building > the required internal organisational capabilities such that the assumes a > mass based character including visibility of PAC in Johannesburg Region; > > · Members resolved that administration and coordination of PAC > regional affairs should be based at based at Mansion House offices in > Market Street; > > · All branches and members should ensure that they are in good > standing as per the party constitution; > > · Branches and members should ensure they are paid up for the > financial year starting 1st March 2013 ending 27/28 February 2014; > > · Branches should compile and update monthly membership registers > as per the constitutional requirements; > > · If permissible branches should arrange political workshop on > basic party constitutional matters and organisational matters; > > · Members also resolved not to attend the joint PAC-ANC Human > Rights Day and opted for a PAC Sharpeville – Langa Massacre Commemoration > which is being organised and will be joint by the New Black Panther Party, > All African People Revolutionary Party (AAPRP) and ZANU PF. Also it is > expected that AZAPO, SOPA and other formations and community based > organisations will join the PAC in the Sharpeville and Langa Massacre > Commemoration on the 21st March 2013. > > > > Shango lashu > > > > Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi > > > > > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: The Letter From the IEC- PAC - None Participation? IS this the end or beginning?
All your personal squabbles aside Call Political M*ediation *WITH NO > FAVOUR BUT FOR THE PAC.* > > *I remain one who see an opportunity in every calamity besetting PAC. I am > the generation of the African Warriors who continues to fight with their > spirits though their bodies are buried in the deep sees and underground.* > *I salute your teachings. * > > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] re: Yeah - it's monkey business!!!
Greetings comrades, > Penny Sparrow says she's been misunderstood, she's not a racist. > "In white culture MONKEY is a term of "endearment."" POPPYCOCK!!! > But hey, who can blame her when we have our own undermining our intelligence. > We are likened to monkeys, the > SABC's ban of demonstrations where property is destroyed means just exactly > that. > The "rationale" that "it may inspire people to do the same" is MONKEY SEE, > MONKEY DO, right? > The myopic SABC's chief operating officer, mr Hlaudi and his fellow capuchins > ostensibly say we are like the lot in the SABC who do what their real bosses > in politics say they must do. > Hlaudi and all other Homo Erectus who agree with him are quintessential > monkeys who take directives or rather should I say orders from his fellow > captured super monkeys in government!!! > We are fed daily sadistic killings and vixens in Soap Operas hopping from one > relationship to another, it's only monkeys who won't see the anomaly in a > decision made by their own. > > It's so weird that the same prudent public broadcaster has last Friday or > Saturday on a comedy show flighted an egregiously prurient dialogue I've ever > heard in history, that the nonsense they flighted is so hilarious but even > scary that you would have cachinnated in amazement that a public broadcaster > would have flighted such crap and expect us the viewers or rather should I > say monkeys to pay TV licenses for. Well, in my opinion, it is of no material > relevancej that this was after 9pm. This was supposedly a tribute to Kenny > Kunene comedy show. Have a great evening!!! Izwe lethu!!! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda
Comrades, in your responses learn to mark the ball, not the man. To answer you, it is enough to remind you few things. Those who are not new in the Pzn Africanist fold know what happened in the past after the suspension of PAC Constitution by PAC President letlapa Mphahlele through the advice of those who claim to be clean now, especially Narius Moloto. Whoever has forgetten that part of our history is either having short memory or deliberately pretending to have forgetten like any typical hypocrite. If PAM is not PAC, why PAC participated in the funeral of President Clarence Makwetu who was a member of PAM and claimed him as its member too? Was it just for political scoring on the party of PAC members? I don't believe so? It is because they know PAM is PAC at it was the case in 1989 up to the unbanning of PAC. At that time, PAC could not operate freely inside the country. We could not carry PAC card and organise publicly. We were instructed by PAC President Zephania Mothopeng to launch PAM. Zeph was the only person allowed at that time to be a member of banned PAC and carry its card public. Same is true me. Whoever says I am not a PAC as I was before PAC unbanning is not in his sober mind. Let me remind you again. When we were expelled from PAC and PAC was crippled politically by people Narius Moloto and Co possible including you, we relaunched PAM and adopted PAC Basic Documents (Pan Africanist Manifesto & Constitution) without amending them except replacing PAC name with PAM. How can then any person in his normal senses claim PAM is not PAC? It's madness. QWHAT PAC different from other political parties? It's not the name PAC. It is the 1959 Basic Documents. Don't you know that simple logic? What you are saying is like teling us that Letlapa Mphahlele, Apa Pooe, Makwtu, Mlambo, Sobukwe, etc are not PAC members. Only sick people can repeat the same tired trick to justify their mischievious acts. Albert Eistein, the great Scientist, rightly said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Comrades are doing just that to destroy PAC PERMANENTLY. Izwe Lethu! On 27/05/2016, d...@pac.org.za wrote: > > Are you back in the party Cde Mcharge? the last time I check you were a > senior official in PAM.PAM is an independent formation, it is certainly > not PAC. Why this quite return when you made noise about leaving the party > of Sobukwe? Announce your intentions to return Cde Mcharge, before you > take center stage. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 11:25 am, Chargein Mabaso wrote: >> Mbinda-Moloto faction can say whatever about Party unity (Bottom up or >> Top down), it doesn't matter. Its actions say the opposite to Party >> unity. Their faction is totally anti-Party unity. Its philosophical >> arguments can fool us no more. We can read between the lines and see >> clearly its sinister motives sugarcoated in legal jargons. The faction >> tries to parade itself as a better devil. On the contrary, it is more >> divisive and dangerous than all. >> >> >> >> On 26/05/2016, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele wrote: >> >>> Thank you Comrade Chargein for being open and frank about Eddie >>> utterances and his current position in our party fiasco. Hope he take >>> that like a true Pan Africanist soldier. I always tell comrades that you >>> cannot pretend to be clean coming out of a mud game. We are all soiled >>> in one way or another and cannot claim legitimacy or purity in the mess >>> that our party is in. The other danger that our young comrades are doing >>> is to allow to be bought by lousy stipends. Inde lendlela yomzabalazo! >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Chargein Mabaso [mailto:chargein...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM >>> To: payco@googlegroups.com >>> Cc: vakele mkandawire; Maciej Radzio; Johnson Mlambo; Xola Tyamzashe; >>> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenomnga; >>> po...@yahoo.com; PAC Mogale city PAC; PAC TSHWANE; >>> pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; >>> patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; sndamane; Lehlogonolo >>> Digashu; David Dube; frambo...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; Tebogo >>> Masipa; >>> Solly Hlubi; bra junior; Keith Moyce; Lucas Mmola; Zola Nyamela; Leago >>> Moselakgomo; m...@pac.org.za; Kidi Bolelwang; Sipho Owen; >>> celenjabulo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; >>> nnyq...@gmail.com; nombule...@webmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; Pinkie >>> Monyane; Moshe Mahlomola; msiro; mop...@pac.org.za; >>> mafub...@hotmail.com; Mphiri Masoga; mnd...@yahoo.com; Malinge Plaatjie; >>> moko
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda
Comrade Eddie. Please nind your language when you talk to another comrades-in-arms. There is neither absolute honest and absolute truth in what is happening in the Pan Africanist fold. Your deeds do not serve PAC interest but those of your faction and enenies, consciously or uncomsciously. We are busy talking about PAC unity and you guys are busy engaged in personal and factional agendas. Don't pretend as if you do not know PAC political dynamics is at the moment. Your NEC is also a NEC for a particular faction too. It is not better than other PAC factions. Currently, your faction (Mbinda-Moloto faction) is canerous, reactionary and countrrevolution. It is counterrevolutionary and reactionary for any member to be a stumblig block (opposed / obstacle) to Party unity. Genuine loyal PAC leaders ought run the Party through properly constituted PAC conferences and congresses as stipulated by the PAC Constitution, not through neocolonial courts and factional conferences and congresses. What you are doing is tantamount to working for our enemies, consciously or unconsciously. If the PAC unity fails because of you, comrades, be rest assured, history will judge you harshly, both individually and collectively. It will be unkind to you as it did to other wrong elemnts in the Party throughout the political life of PAC. Continue messing the Party at your risk and peril! Remember the Oath of Allegation you took. It still applies. History will be judge unkindly. Narius Moloto has no clean hands as you think. He played a major in the destruction of PAC to where it is today. He cannot pretend otherwise. Once beaten twice shy. Guys, you can run but you cannot hide. You can't fool us again. We are watching your deeds with keen interest! Continue, comrades, messing the PAC. We will be observers (Qubani sizakubamb'ikhuba!) Izwe Lethu! On 26/05/2016, eddie mfulwane wrote: > Cde Apa > > I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know you > are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of > maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse > PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be > busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows. > > I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non > existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND THEREFORE > NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!* > > Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of > Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to > submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting. > > President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with > IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still > lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will > create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to. > > > Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a > sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like > you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation. > > *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016 > Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC > on 03rd August 2016.* > > > Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda. >> >> Regards, >> Apa Pooe >> Sec for Information and Publicity >> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755 >> >> > > > -- > > *RE.Mfulwane* > > > > > *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie > MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634* > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda
Cde Apa I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know you are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows. I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND THEREFORE NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!* Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting. President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to. Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation. *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016 Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC on 03rd August 2016.* Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire wrote: > Greetings, > > Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda. > > Regards, > Apa Pooe > Sec for Information and Publicity > Mobile Number: 083 9402 755 > > -- *RE.Mfulwane* *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634* -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Emailing: 3-johnson-mlambo
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[Description: Secretary-General Meets with President of Pan Africanist Congress] Cde Makwethu at the United Nations 1991 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Re: Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 – 1990) entire adult life dedicated to Political, Economic and Social Emancipation of Indigenous Africans in Azania (South Africa)
Good Afternoon Prof Thank you Prof Much appreciated. Regards, *electronically send no signed - authentic * Mphiri Masoga SACWU T (012) 320 6472 - 5 F (012) 320 2179 F2email: 086 225 4254 Email: mphi...@gmail.com C 073 182 2656 On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:09 AM, vu...@telkomsa.net wrote: > > > This paper is a contribution towards: > 1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and > Adults. > 2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and > struggle. > > Regards > Prof. SR Shabalala > > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 - 1990)
This paper is a contribution towards: 1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and Adults. 2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and struggle. Regards Prof. SR Shabalala -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng.docx Description: MS-Word 2007 document
[PAYCO] Re: Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 – 1990) entire adult life dedicated to Political, Economic and Social Emancipation of Indigenous Africans in Azania (South Africa)
This paper is a contribution towards: 1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and Adults. 2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and struggle. Regards Prof. SR Shabalala -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng.docx Description: MS-Word 2007 document
[PAYCO] Re: Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 – 1990) entire adult life dedicated to Political, Economic and Social Emancipation of Indigenous Africans in Azania (South Africa)
Subject: Re: Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 – 1990) entire adult life dedicated to Political, Economic and Social Emancipation of Indigenous Africans in Azania (South Africa) This paper is a contribution towards: 1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and Adults.2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and struggle. Regards Prof. SR Shabalala -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Cde Seroke/ Hlongwane/ Nkrumah The 1976 June 16 is underway. Two figures that come to my mind are Uncle Zeph and Tsietsi Mashinini. Why are these two heroes become unsung. Is it because of a clear blue water between them and those That are owning factors of publicity today. Please expand on the roles played by these comrades Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Cde Hlongwane I tried retrieving the story of Uncle Zephania Mothopeng but I had some problems with my server. Please use the below URL . https://nonstopagainstapartheid.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/zephania-mothopeng-in-london-1989/ Mduduzi Sibeko 0782266016 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] DURBAN PLUS 15 in Netherlands 19-20 March 2016: Reviewing the WCAR Plan of Action
AFRIKAN PEOPLE TIME: On 19-20 March 2016, the Afrikan Family in the Netherlands will host “Durban Plus 15” – a Roundtable serving as a review/follow-up to Afrikan people’s achievements in relation to the World Conference Against Racism (WCAR), held in Durban, 2001. 15 years ago, Afrikans from around the world came together, lobbied government reps, crafted language and spoke with a unified voice. And went back to their regions to implement changes. Through these demands, slave trade, colonialism and Apartheid were recognised as “Crimes Against Humanity” and the Reparations Question for Afrikan People (which includes return of land, stolen art works and compensation for damage done on all levels, inflicted by the West) was affirmed. The Roundtable in the Netherlands calls on Afrikan people from around the world to take a critical look at whether the goals that were achieved in 2001 have been effectuated in a practical sense. As racist practices, exclusion, Western domination, discrimination and landlessness (amongst many other challenges) remain unresolved – what is our position as Afrikan people today? How long will we tolerate the continuation of exploitation? What measures have we put in place? What do we do next? These and other questions will be scrutinized 19-20 March, in light of the fact that 2015-2024 has been declared the Decade of People of Afrikan Descent. A Plan of Action will be developed and YOUR voice is needed. Members of the Global Afrikan Family – and especially Afrikan youth - are invited to take part and state their opinion. For those who cannot attend in person, please feed in updates, concerns, reports and recommendations to: *wcar_durban...@xs4all.nl* *==* *For more information:* Background information for Durban Plus 15: https://app.box.com/s/gv4j2y6om1gid3lj4rg8k5sqns5s2olt <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Fgv4j2y6om1gid3lj4rg8k5sqns5s2olt&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGGCFjJdICpt4MAPdWrA_L69eG-lA> Durban Plus 15 Program: https://app.box.com/s/o84h9tscqbj26zluj3sroytuxbqf770y <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Fo84h9tscqbj26zluj3sroytuxbqf770y&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGuTww2tVok3God2N1YdCCLFJrcgw> *STAND UP FOR INJUSTICE. LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD.* *Please, spread this to your networks!* -- __ BABA BUNTU executive director ebukhosinisolutions.co.za johannesburg, south afrika -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Whatever side a tossed coin lands blacks lose; heads they lose, tails they lose too!!!
Revolutionary greetings to all, > > He who has ruminated on Fanon's "Black skins, White masks" will, with no iota > of dubiety, not be taken aback by the recent feats at 'varsities when Blacks > only were arrested by a predominantly black riot squad during a fracas > between them and white pupils. We are told by the older generation that > during the 1976 riots or rather should I say uprisings, most fatalities were > meted out by black cops. Students arrested thereafter would attest the > brutish torture was by black cops, even not on the behest of white ones - > chickens that eat their own eggs and wonder why they're an endangered > species. Frantz Fanon called it: "The communication of guilt" only when > atrocities are sanctioned to a junior by his superior. But at any rate my > favourite book by Frantz Fanon is Wretched of the Earth, chapter two Pitfalls > of National Consciousness, please raise your hand if I’ve erred because I no > longer have a copy of this book as some thugs (what some Marxist-Leninist > call lumpen proletariat) broke into my house and stole most of the little I > use to have, but that’s neither here nor there. > > What is here is, at Bloemfontein the pressure was concentrated on black > people despite the show of a predominantly white rage on a TV footage, no > arrests were effected, poppycock!!! Peruse the Marikana massacre clip and > observe the machine-gun slingers, for your information some video clips in > the Marikana massacre were immediately expunged for public access just a few > hours after it happened, I still regret why I never recorded it. The action > by black cops typify the depth of inferiority complex entrenched by the “now > supposedly defunct” apartheid system. > > Not so long, just last week on the 19th February 2016 Fikile Mbalula and his > usually intellectual inebriated friends in the ANC the likes of Nomvula > Mokonyane led their myopic march against racism to the union buildings. I > personally think Africans in the ANC are making a spectacle of themselves and > the entire African public in this country. Being bullied by a small racist > minority must not be equated with humiliation faced by African-Americans in > the US, the adverse is true. Been under colonial rule for more than 300 years > and apartheid a further 82 or so years shouldn’t be a factor to stretch our > patience, the ANC-led government must show racists who rule the roost, no > manga-manga business we’ve tolerated racism for far too long. > When one of my friends said if he had his way he’d emigrate, I now see he > wouldn't be running away but avoiding to be amongst clowns!!! > > Whatever side a tossed coin lands blacks lose; heads they lose, tails they > lose too!!! > > Hayi unzima lomthwalo bo!!! > > Izwe Lethu!! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Why the Settler racist colonial regime feared Mangaliso Sobukwe
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[PAYCO] Recommendable P.A.C policy position on the treatment of workers Retirement Funds (Provident Funds Based Funds)
Recommendable P.A.C policy position on the treatment of workers Retirement Funds (Provident Funds Based Funds) 1. Retirees must be given an option: percentage of retirement pension taken immediately and percentage retained as annuity (0%-100%) 2. Designing financial services structures to optimise the optimum use of workers’ money withdrawn or retained. 3. Continuous interactive communication between government and beneficiaries on this money demonstrating advantages and disadvantages of available options with a view to reach dynamic consensus. Through time, behavioural changes on both sides (government and workers) are possible. 4. Both government and workers have a case in this matter: a middle dynamic ground is needed to allow for learning and change of views, attitudes and behaviour. 5. It is important, however, to uphold the position that in this matter workers are citizens and not subjects. 6. Government has a responsibility to come out with policies aimed at positively influencing the behaviour of the citizens. In most cases such policies are resisted at first and are difficult to be implemented to realize expected results. Even here citizens continue to have their rights respected. Did You Hear?! Do You Still Remember? We were called monkeys Yes, we are the indigenous monkeys of this country; of Azania We are the monkeys that own this country and its wealth And as usual what belongs to the monkeys and their like, must be plumbers and usurped by the so called ‘upper others’, however classified, the so called ‘upper other’ who choose to be our SPCA But still, we are the indigenous monkeys of this country! mabayeke umhlaba wethu! Wola lapho,monkey yami Regards vusie makhathini 0826754796 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] President Zuma “Isilised” Mangaliso Sobukwe from the list of scholars and leaders that went through Fort Hare University
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[PAYCO] President Zuma “Isilised” Mangaliso Sobukwe from the list of scholars and leaders that went through Fort Hare University
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[PAYCO] PAc New Year 2016 Statement
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[PAYCO] Post revolutionary neutrality breeds select nouveau riche
The ANC-led government has proven again at the University of Johannesburg as it has in a bucket-full other incidences that it has not removed the Nats regime but replaced it. The arrest, accompanied by stratocratic police flare, of 141 students and staff at UJ was reminiscent of the past, even when some protestors had kneeled and hands wrapped on occiputs in a non-resistant gesture still they were treated like hooligans. Why, because of a stupid injudicious court interdict? Albeit they have since all been released but their bail condition resurrects the spectre of the apartheid system. A system that was not communicated to our likes, we felt it thus talking in the first person is justifiable. A certain professor viewed that "outsourcing was economically viable, employing workers directly would be unsustainable, it will force the 'varsity to retrench some." The Prof is crapulous and talking twaak! Just wondering what his PhD theses was on. To hand salaries directly to workers, who are currently the end recipients of their own money would be beneficial to them in this tiered capitalistic society unless this prof wants them to remain in perpetual financial bondage inspite of them doing the actual work. That implies rather these workers be exploited in order to cut costs for the institution. This "facsimile system" which he thinks is viable is like a person getting to read last a message intended for him. Freedom seems to get more and more evasive than free will. It won't be found if we do not know where to look for it. Dr Samuel Johnson said: "The next best thing to know something is to know where to look for it." Certainly not in the neutral ANC government that should be tilted in favour of the poor who voted it into power. The more things change the more they change to remain and stay the same. Sent from my iPhone -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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[PAYCO] TRIBUTE TO DR. LAURETTA NOZIWE NGCOBO!!!
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[PAYCO] BENNIE BUNSEE (1935 – 2015): TRIBUTE TO A SOBUKWE-BIKO WARRIOR!!!
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[PAYCO] Fwd: Touching True life story
go back home as they have no medication. Worried mother said" They are failing to provide proper treatment to my desperate son." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belinda from an impoverished family added although she has a national diploma in human resources management from Tshwane University of technology(TUT) , she is unemployed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have two children to take care and I only survive on social grant I get monthly" She concluded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A tearful mom says the worst pain is when people call them witches. > > > > > > > > "I don't know why this is happening to me. All i know is that i won't allow people to call us names", She said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mbulelo is an intelligent young boy of great promise who knows all the actors of his favourite local soapie Skeem Saam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She says there is hope to get help. " I seen and have heard it all" She said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her main focus is now to protect her son from the insults and raise funds to afford pay for the medical cost of his beloved son. > > > > > > > > "The government is failing to provide medication to my son and i wish they can educate my community about certain human disorders so that my son can live without shame of being teased or a mockery to other kids. This is unacceptable behaviour, it hurts me as a mother to little Mbulelo. "This is how God created my son in his image and in my eyes he is bright, bold and beautiful. It is indeed a gift from God". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A SON' S MISERY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He even askew when he writes his name and his situation limit his freedom to run around or play with other kids. > > > > > > > > > >He is not afraid of being being rejected and teased everyday after school he watches with envy to play with his friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His mother is afraid that he may hurt himself again. > > > > > > > > "He was born like this and will not die like this if good Samaritans can lend a helping hand to pay for his medication. > > > > > > > > > > Limpopo department of Health spokesman Casper Zwane said : " It is difficult for us to know every patient 's problems". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He encouraged the family to report their matter to their offices. "If there is a complaint the family must report it to us, our office doors are open at all times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The family is urging good Samaritans to help pay for little Mbulelo's medical costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomo > > > > > > > > > > > > 0726056834 or 0728296913 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee
Dear comrade Hulisani, Thanks for making me aware that comrade Jaki Seroke is currently penning the tribute on the late comrade Bennie Bunsee. I was not aware! Please be informed that the first person I contacted in regard to the honouring of the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee is none but comrade Jaki Seroke. Upon publication of his contribution, I will be one of the first to read. Thanks for the tip! Izwe Lethu On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Hulisani wrote: > Cde. Pule > > Please note that Mayihlome news www.mayihlomenews.co.za will be > publishing a tribute to Cde. Bennie Bunsee penned by Cde. Jaki Seroke. > > Izwelethu! I Afurika! > Hulisani Mmbara > > > > > > > > > > -- > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:12:05 +0200 > Subject: [PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie > Bunsee > From: maqeko...@gmail.com > To: payco@googlegroups.com > > > FAMILY, FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, AND COMRADES > > *BENNIE BUNSEE – A LIFE REMEMBERED* > > Saddened by our collective loss, I am willing, with your blessing and > support, to continue in his honour, the tradition of sharing and > interaction in the newsgroup “Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.” Through this > initiative Bennie brought together revolutionaries with diverse thoughts. > Unless the idea to continue the initiative has already been set in motion > by others; given first the blessing of Bennie’s immediate family, I have > other ideas as well which, I believe, will place in perspective the > contribution of our friend and comrade in our continuing struggle for true > emancipation. > > > > *INTRODUCTION:* > > > > My name is Pule Maqekoane. I am a long-time admirer and reader of > *IKWEZI,* the publication which, under Bennie Bunsee has served to > enlighten so many of us, on a range of topics. I first met Bennie late in > 1985 when our exile paths converged outside the borders of Azania. > > Bennie lived in the United Kingdom, while I was based in the Hanseatic > City of Hamburg, West Germany. > > I considered Comrade Bennie Bunsee, as the most appropriate revolutionary > of our time, and nominated him to deliver the keynote address of the > campaign in support of independent Black Trade Unions in occupied Azania. > Comrade Bennie Bunsee, following this address, left an indelible memory in > the hearts of the German internationalist audience. > > Please share your thoughts with me, and, if you will, your blessing, to > keep the group together, and the memory of Bennie Bunsee alive. > > > > Yours in struggle > > > > > > > *Wake Up and Smell the Coffee* > > *Bennie Bunsee Initiative* > > > -- > Pule Maqekoane > (Co-ordinator) > > Makhaya Digital Divide > > > Cell: +27 84 97 487 44 > Office: +27 11 909 4275 > > > > *CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE* > > This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information > for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been > addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly > notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of > this message is strictly prohibited. > > The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer > by Makhaya Digital Divide cc, except where expressly provided for in a > written agreement. Any views and/or opinions expressed by the sender do not > necessarily represent those of the Makhaya Digital Divide cc. > > Makhaya Digital Divide cc do not accept liability or legal responsibility > for the contents of this message nor any errors in or omissions to the > content of electronically generated communications, or any loss or damages > howsoever caused, arising as a result of reliance on the contents or > unauthorised use thereof. Should verification be required, kindly request > the sender to do so. > > > Makhaya Digital Divide cc have taken steps to ensure that this message is > free from computer viruses, but the responsibility of detection and > prevention lies solely with the recipient. Makhaya Digital Divide cc > does not warrant the integrity of the data transmitted, nor that it has not > been corrupted nor previously intercepted and/or tampered with. > > > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at
RE: [PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee
Cde. Pule Please note that Mayihlome news www.mayihlomenews.co.za will be publishing a tribute to Cde. Bennie Bunsee penned by Cde. Jaki Seroke. Izwelethu! I Afurika! Hulisani Mmbara Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:12:05 +0200 Subject: [PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee From: maqeko...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com FAMILY, FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, AND COMRADES BENNIE BUNSEE – A LIFE REMEMBERED Saddened by our collective loss, I am willing, with your blessing and support, to continue in his honour, the tradition of sharing and interaction in the newsgroup “Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.” Through this initiative Bennie brought together revolutionaries with diverse thoughts. Unless the idea to continue the initiative has already been set in motion by others; given first the blessing of Bennie’s immediate family, I have other ideas as well which, I believe, will place in perspective the contribution of our friend and comrade in our continuing struggle for true emancipation. INTRODUCTION: My name is Pule Maqekoane. I am a long-time admirer and reader of IKWEZI, the publication which, under Bennie Bunsee has served to enlighten so many of us, on a range of topics. I first met Bennie late in 1985 when our exile paths converged outside the borders of Azania. Bennie lived in the United Kingdom, while I was based in the Hanseatic City of Hamburg, West Germany. I considered Comrade Bennie Bunsee, as the most appropriate revolutionary of our time, and nominated him to deliver the keynote address of the campaign in support of independent Black Trade Unions in occupied Azania. Comrade Bennie Bunsee, following this address, left an indelible memory in the hearts of the German internationalist audience. Please share your thoughts with me, and, if you will, your blessing, to keep the group together, and the memory of Bennie Bunsee alive. Yours in struggle Wake Up and Smell the Coffee Bennie Bunsee Initiative -- Pule Maqekoane (Co-ordinator) Makhaya Digital Divide Cell: +27 84 97 487 44 Office: +27 11 909 4275 CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer by Makhaya Digital Divide cc, except where expressly provided for in a written agreement. Any views and/or opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily represent those of the Makhaya Digital Divide cc. Makhaya Digital Divide cc do not accept liability or legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor any errors in or omissions to the content of electronically generated communications, or any loss or damages howsoever caused, arising as a result of reliance on the contents or unauthorised use thereof. Should verification be required, kindly request the sender to do so. Makhaya Digital Divide cc have taken steps to ensure that this message is free from computer viruses, but the responsibility of detection and prevention lies solely with the recipient. Makhaya Digital Divide cc does not warrant the integrity of the data transmitted, nor that it has not been corrupted nor previously intercepted and/or tampered with. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee
FAMILY, FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, AND COMRADES *BENNIE BUNSEE – A LIFE REMEMBERED* Saddened by our collective loss, I am willing, with your blessing and support, to continue in his honour, the tradition of sharing and interaction in the newsgroup “Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.” Through this initiative Bennie brought together revolutionaries with diverse thoughts. Unless the idea to continue the initiative has already been set in motion by others; given first the blessing of Bennie’s immediate family, I have other ideas as well which, I believe, will place in perspective the contribution of our friend and comrade in our continuing struggle for true emancipation. *INTRODUCTION:* My name is Pule Maqekoane. I am a long-time admirer and reader of *IKWEZI,* the publication which, under Bennie Bunsee has served to enlighten so many of us, on a range of topics. I first met Bennie late in 1985 when our exile paths converged outside the borders of Azania. Bennie lived in the United Kingdom, while I was based in the Hanseatic City of Hamburg, West Germany. I considered Comrade Bennie Bunsee, as the most appropriate revolutionary of our time, and nominated him to deliver the keynote address of the campaign in support of independent Black Trade Unions in occupied Azania. Comrade Bennie Bunsee, following this address, left an indelible memory in the hearts of the German internationalist audience. Please share your thoughts with me, and, if you will, your blessing, to keep the group together, and the memory of Bennie Bunsee alive. Yours in struggle *Wake Up and Smell the Coffee* *Bennie Bunsee Initiative* -- Pule Maqekoane (Co-ordinator) Makhaya Digital Divide Cell: +27 84 97 487 44 Office: +27 11 909 4275 *CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE* This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer by Makhaya Digital Divide cc, except where expressly provided for in a written agreement. Any views and/or opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily represent those of the Makhaya Digital Divide cc. Makhaya Digital Divide cc do not accept liability or legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor any errors in or omissions to the content of electronically generated communications, or any loss or damages howsoever caused, arising as a result of reliance on the contents or unauthorised use thereof. Should verification be required, kindly request the sender to do so. Makhaya Digital Divide cc have taken steps to ensure that this message is free from computer viruses, but the responsibility of detection and prevention lies solely with the recipient. Makhaya Digital Divide cc does not warrant the integrity of the data transmitted, nor that it has not been corrupted nor previously intercepted and/or tampered with. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Izwe lethu M'Afrika PAC Johannesburg Region extends an invitation to all PAC Branches and Members to former PAC President *Zephania Mothopeng Total Liberation Dialogue.* Events Details:- Zepth Lekoane Mothopeng Total Liberation Dialogue *Them: African Youths and Workers Arise For Total Liberation of Africa on a Socialist Programme* Key Speakers: *Ali Hlongwane on The Life and Time of former PAC President Zepth Mothopeng* (*Former AZANYU Member and a Pan Africanist Researcher)* *Joe Thloloe *on *Youths and Workers Central to Achieve Total African Liberation* (Member of the PAC, political detainee, chairman of the South African National Editors' Forum(SANEF); *Ntsie Mohloai on The outstanding Liberation Mission- the Overthrow of Capitalism and White Supremacy* (Former AZANYU President and PAC National Organiser) *Joseph Mathunjwa (AMCU President) African Mineworkers conditions and struggles * *Facilitator(s): Dumisani Zwane and Lehlohonolo Shale.* Venue: Braamfontein Civic Centre Date: 24th October 2015 Time : 09H30 - 15H30 Lunch Will be Served! African Youths and Workers Arise to Overthrow White Supremacy and Capitalism For details contact: Nico Mmotong 084 697 3590084 697 3590 or Nkrumah Kgagudi 074 922 6361074 922 6361 Izwe lethu Nkrumah -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] military veterans
Comrades, Can anyone provide me the contact details of comrade Philipp Johnson Mlambo (Cell phone number, Office Number or email address.) Kind regards -- Pule Maqekoane (Co-ordinator) Makhaya Digital Divide Cell: +27 84 97 487 44 Office: +27 11 909 4275 *CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE* This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer by Makhaya Digital Divide cc, except where expressly provided for in a written agreement. Any views and/or opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily represent those of the Makhaya Digital Divide cc. Makhaya Digital Divide cc do not accept liability or legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor any errors in or omissions to the content of electronically generated communications, or any loss or damages howsoever caused, arising as a result of reliance on the contents or unauthorised use thereof. Should verification be required, kindly request the sender to do so. Makhaya Digital Divide cc have taken steps to ensure that this message is free from computer viruses, but the responsibility of detection and prevention lies solely with the recipient. Makhaya Digital Divide cc does not warrant the integrity of the data transmitted, nor that it has not been corrupted nor previously intercepted and/or tampered with. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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[PAYCO] Tombstone or the Tiger
Good day Cdes I'd love to get feedback on the Jafta Kgalabi Masemola's tombstone unveiling. I saw some well-captured photographs on Facebook. It looked well-organized and I noticed quite a lot of familiar faces of yesteryear in the scenery. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Comrades, President Mugabe was sabotage by his own party to expose him or even to send a clear signal to those who don't want him to step down within Zanu Pf for their own good reasons. That is clear not to my mind. Let's wait and see the next signal. On the point of eloquent leaders, i have a different view. Most of eloquent leaders do not go beyond eloquence nowadays. Most of them are spineless. They cannot stand alone on principle. Unprincipled leaders cannot make in a party. Many of them find it difficult to lead the Party and give up easily. They can be crowd pullers outside the party but leading the party does not end there. Take the example of Mandela and Mbeki. When Mbeki took over, we doubted him if he will reach Mandela's crow pulling capability. My own assessment is Mbeki was a stronger leaders even more than Mandela as far as leading the ANC. He could handle ANC dynamics better than Mandela but he was not eloquent or charismatic like Mandela. Moreso, I worked in the past with highly chariSmatic and eloquence PASO and AZANYU leaders. Many of them found it difficulty to lead an organisation. Leading is a another ball game altogether. That is why many parties employ eloquent speakers as spokespersons, ot President of the Party. A good leader must excell in uniting and leading the party properly into the theatre of struggle. He / she must master how to exercise his /her powers effective and efficiently as a leader without abusing them. He must a true democratic centralist who knows the limits of democratic centralism. He must neither be a dictator nor spineless democrat. Furthermore, he must not try to imitate another leader's style of leadership. He /she must himself / herself. There a few such people in any party. At the same, he must be part of a revolutionary collective, not a faction. On 9/21/15, Sebenzile Mlaza wrote: > > > Revolutionary greetings all, > > > Reading an already delivered speech by president Mugabe is definitely not a > transgression, but remember State of the Nation addresses are simply not > delivered off the cuff, right? Imbedded in them are hopes and inspirations > of the Nation; they encampus the country's vision thus making the incident > not trivial. Some leaders even memorize them so to appear to be orators ala > Cicero, that's what many of them do; I suspect Obama does the same, despite > being not indictable to read a wrong speech but this faux pas can't be > regarded as a piccadillo for reasons aforementioned. > > > > Having said that, perhaps a phraseologically self short-charging was used by > saying: "He must call it quits." These words were used with the knowledge > that ZANU isn't just a one man show, president Mugabe certainly has fidus > Achates in his party some whom he was in the trenches with he can pass the > baton to. If he feels he could still run the relay without handing over the > baton to a new energized sprinter, it then smacks of scepticism for his own > comrades so mishaps like reading anachronistic speeches will continue. Where > he mentally agile, as he is known to be, he was supposed to rehash the > speech triggered by an engram, no one would have noticed and we wouldn't be > having this debate today. > > > > It will be naive to think that he isn't been taken advantage of because of > his age. By whom it may be asked? Not by the Imperialist West, certainly not > by compradors in the MDC but by his own comrades in ZANU because such > speeches are not simply put on a lectern for a reader, even eloquent > preachers visit the Bible in the absence of congregants and pretend the next > day to be au fait with the gospel when delivering a homily. > > > > Fears that if he steps down there shall be political upheaval in Zimbabwe > and that may spill over to South Africa. Then this is like a deferment of > the inevitable because president Mugabe is not immortal. As we speak a > countless number of our Zimbabwe brothers and sisters are in South Africa > some whom white settlers take advantage of because of their illegal status. > > It's time president Mugabe handed the baton to a trusted comrade who would > run the mile not because of him having read a previously delivered speech > but of his dotage seen by us ‘his admirers’ and I repeat ‘HIS ADMIRERS.’ > > > > From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] > Sent: 21 September 2015 08:14 AM > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > > Dear Comrades > > There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass > appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral > to their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their > leaders sp
RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Revolutionary greetings all, Reading an already delivered speech by president Mugabe is definitely not a transgression, but remember State of the Nation addresses are simply not delivered off the cuff, right? Imbedded in them are hopes and inspirations of the Nation; they encampus the country's vision thus making the incident not trivial. Some leaders even memorize them so to appear to be orators ala Cicero, that's what many of them do; I suspect Obama does the same, despite being not indictable to read a wrong speech but this faux pas can't be regarded as a piccadillo for reasons aforementioned. Having said that, perhaps a phraseologically self short-charging was used by saying: "He must call it quits." These words were used with the knowledge that ZANU isn't just a one man show, president Mugabe certainly has fidus Achates in his party some whom he was in the trenches with he can pass the baton to. If he feels he could still run the relay without handing over the baton to a new energized sprinter, it then smacks of scepticism for his own comrades so mishaps like reading anachronistic speeches will continue. Where he mentally agile, as he is known to be, he was supposed to rehash the speech triggered by an engram, no one would have noticed and we wouldn't be having this debate today. It will be naive to think that he isn't been taken advantage of because of his age. By whom it may be asked? Not by the Imperialist West, certainly not by compradors in the MDC but by his own comrades in ZANU because such speeches are not simply put on a lectern for a reader, even eloquent preachers visit the Bible in the absence of congregants and pretend the next day to be au fait with the gospel when delivering a homily. Fears that if he steps down there shall be political upheaval in Zimbabwe and that may spill over to South Africa. Then this is like a deferment of the inevitable because president Mugabe is not immortal. As we speak a countless number of our Zimbabwe brothers and sisters are in South Africa some whom white settlers take advantage of because of their illegal status. It's time president Mugabe handed the baton to a trusted comrade who would run the mile not because of him having read a previously delivered speech but of his dotage seen by us ‘his admirers’ and I repeat ‘HIS ADMIRERS.’ From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] Sent: 21 September 2015 08:14 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. Dear Comrades There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral to their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their leaders speak with pep and zest, now they are bused only to listen to gobbledygook by uninspiring orators. Look no further than us if you want to see this in actual context. Mugabe on the other hand is a type of speaker whom when he speaks, the world listens, the detractors always fasten their seatlbelts that is why it was even easy to hype up the situation surrounding his address. Always clear, eloquent and caustic to a certain extent but this did not excuse him from familiarising himself with the speech prior to delivery. With that said there can be other convincing reasons for daring Mugabe to resign but speech delivery is the least of them. Meanwhile, in the Pan Afrikanist block I cannot remember the last time we had a speaker who could move audiences both within and outside his constituency. You can have all the requisite theory but if it lacks delivery of a professional punch it is as good as dull. Let us continue reflecting on mass communication being an uncompromising leadership character trait. On Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:04 PM, Linda Ndebele mailto:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za>> wrote: Surely comrade Mmbara the Deputy President is fit for leading the country and ZANU-PF as President. Surely the liberation of Zimbabwe was a collective effort of Zanu-PF and the people of Zimbabwe. It can't be Mugabe forever even when all can see that age is truly overtaking him. ZANU-PF has a duty to ensure ofcourse that his legacy is not undone but all indications indicate that the Oldman has reached his ultimate point, he can't give anything better. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ____ From: Hulisani mailto:mmbar...@hotmail.com>> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:08:07 +0200 To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUPmailto:payco@googlegroups.com>> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers in ZANU- P
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
I get your point comrade Mawethu but it is not the fault of our generation that
we have been unable to produce leaders who speak with 'pep and zest'. Infact we
have produced such leaders but have been suffocated by Old Guard who see them
as a threat as opposed to be seen as a new breed of leadership that must be
nurtured and nourished to take the baton forward. Can name a list of our finest
orators that we have produced over the years but that were frustrated by the
Old Guard to gain necessary prominence.
I must say I never expected a President to read a wrong speech without
realizing, I can forgive the illiterate JZ if he can make such a blunder but
not a leader of Mugabe's stature and level of education. Mugabe's blundering
has far reaching impact noting his stature to the world and how his speeches
are listened throughout the world by both enemies and friends. We just can't
afford such blunders. I blame it on age and his support staff in the Office of
the Presidency.
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From: "'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress"
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 06:14:21
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Dear Comrades
There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass
appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral to
their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their leaders
speak with pep and zest, now they are bused only to listen to gobbledygook by
uninspiring orators. Look no further than us if you want to see this in actual
context.
Mugabe on the other hand is a type of speaker whom when he speaks, the world
listens, the detractors always fasten their seatlbelts that is why it was even
easy to hype up the situation surrounding his address. Always clear, eloquent
and caustic to a certain extent but this did not excuse him from familiarising
himself with the speech prior to delivery. With that said there can be other
convincing reasons for daring Mugabe to resign but speech delivery is the least
of them.
Meanwhile, in the Pan Afrikanist block I cannot remember the last time we had a
speaker who could move audiences both within and outside his constituency. You
can have all the requisite theory but if it lacks delivery of a professional
punch it is as good as dull. Let us continue reflecting on mass communication
being an uncompromising leadership character trait.
On Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:04 PM, Linda Ndebele
wrote:
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Surely comrade Mmbara the Deputy President is fit for leading the country and
ZANU-PF as President. Surely the liberation of Zimbabwe was a collective effort
of Zanu-PF and the people of Zimbabwe. It can't be Mugabe forever even when all
can see that age is truly overtaking him. ZANU-PF has a duty to ensure ofcourse
that his legacy is not undone but all indications indicate that the Oldman has
reached his ultimate point, he can't give anything better.Sent via my
BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: Hulisani
Sender: payco@googlegroups.comDate: Sun, 20 Sep 2015
20:08:07 +0200To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE
GROUPReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.comSubject: RE:
[PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers
in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the
succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure
of Mugabe and his peers.
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 +
>
> I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality.
> That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things
> that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the
> bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without
> realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that
> embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal
> hatred recently.
>
> Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing
> and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder.
> Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he
> should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If
> the President reads his speeches with compreh
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Dear Comrades
There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass
appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral to
their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their leaders
speak with pep and zest, now they are bused only to listen to gobbledygook by
uninspiring orators. Look no further than us if you want to see this in actual
context.
Mugabe on the other hand is a type of speaker whom when he speaks, the world
listens, the detractors always fasten their seatlbelts that is why it was even
easy to hype up the situation surrounding his address. Always clear, eloquent
and caustic to a certain extent but this did not excuse him from familiarising
himself with the speech prior to delivery. With that said there can be other
convincing reasons for daring Mugabe to resign but speech delivery is the least
of them.
Meanwhile, in the Pan Afrikanist block I cannot remember the last time we had a
speaker who could move audiences both within and outside his constituency. You
can have all the requisite theory but if it lacks delivery of a professional
punch it is as good as dull. Let us continue reflecting on mass communication
being an uncompromising leadership character trait.
On Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:04 PM, Linda Ndebele
wrote:
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Surely comrade Mmbara the Deputy President is fit for leading the country and
ZANU-PF as President. Surely the liberation of Zimbabwe was a collective effort
of Zanu-PF and the people of Zimbabwe. It can't be Mugabe forever even when all
can see that age is truly overtaking him. ZANU-PF has a duty to ensure ofcourse
that his legacy is not undone but all indications indicate that the Oldman has
reached his ultimate point, he can't give anything better.Sent via my
BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: Hulisani
Sender: payco@googlegroups.comDate: Sun, 20 Sep 2015
20:08:07 +0200To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE
GROUPReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.comSubject: RE:
[PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers
in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the
succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure
of Mugabe and his peers.
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 +
>
> I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality.
> That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things
> that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the
> bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without
> realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that
> embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal
> hatred recently.
>
> Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing
> and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder.
> Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he
> should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If
> the President reads his speeches with comprehension he could have realised on
> the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he couldn't recall because of
> age.
>
> I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. When
> our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily handed the
> baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton.
>
> Izwe lethu!
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chargein Mabaso
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46
> To:
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
>
> Comrades,
>
> Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President
> Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public
> media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being
> drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. .
>
> Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can
> read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by
> his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the
> speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question.
> Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, secu
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Surely comrade Mmbara the Deputy President is fit for leading the country and ZANU-PF as President. Surely the liberation of Zimbabwe was a collective effort of Zanu-PF and the people of Zimbabwe. It can't be Mugabe forever even when all can see that age is truly overtaking him. ZANU-PF has a duty to ensure ofcourse that his legacy is not undone but all indications indicate that the Oldman has reached his ultimate point, he can't give anything better. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Hulisani Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:08:07 To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure of Mugabe and his peers. > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > To: payco@googlegroups.com > From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 + > > I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality. > That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things > that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the > bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without > realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that > embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal > hatred recently. > > Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing > and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder. > Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he > should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If > the President reads his speeches with comprehension he could have realised on > the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he couldn't recall because of > age. > > I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. When > our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily handed the > baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton. > > Izwe lethu! > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -Original Message- > From: Chargein Mabaso > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46 > To: > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > > Comrades, > > Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President > Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public > media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being > drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . > > Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can > read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by > his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the > speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question. > Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security > and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image > (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when > this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That > is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey > number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he > goes. Look at the noise in many papers about wrong sign language > interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during > Mandela!s Memorial service. Any threat against President Obama's life > and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to > Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear > sabotage from within his own camp. Embarassing the President of a > country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who > did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a > surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and > that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence > structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an > inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of > the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that > few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense > of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary > collapdsed and rushed to h
RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure of Mugabe and his peers. > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > To: payco@googlegroups.com > From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 + > > I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality. > That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things > that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the > bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without > realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that > embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal > hatred recently. > > Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing > and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder. > Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he > should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If > the President reads his speeches with comprehension he could have realised on > the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he couldn't recall because of > age. > > I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. When > our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily handed the > baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton. > > Izwe lethu! > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -Original Message- > From: Chargein Mabaso > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46 > To: > Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > > Comrades, > > Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President > Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public > media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being > drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . > > Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can > read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by > his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the > speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question. > Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security > and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image > (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when > this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That > is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey > number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he > goes. Look at the noise in many papers about wrong sign language > interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during > Mandela!s Memorial service. Any threat against President Obama's life > and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to > Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear > sabotage from within his own camp. Embarassing the President of a > country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who > did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a > surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and > that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence > structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an > inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of > the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that > few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense > of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary > collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous > gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was > very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after > this one? My guess is as good as yours. > > On 9/19/15, Hulisani wrote: > > Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of > > the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of > > urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so > > far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that > > Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who must > > make sure the president has the right speech for the right occasion,
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality. That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal hatred recently. Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder. Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If the President reads his speeches with comprehension he could have realised on the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he couldn't recall because of age. I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. When our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily handed the baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton. Izwe lethu! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Chargein Mabaso Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46 To: Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. Comrades, Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question. Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he goes. Look at the noise in many papers about wrong sign language interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during Mandela!s Memorial service. Any threat against President Obama's life and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear sabotage from within his own camp. Embarassing the President of a country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after this one? My guess is as good as yours. On 9/19/15, Hulisani wrote: > Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of > the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of > urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so > far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that > Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who must > make sure the president has the right speech for the right occasion, whether > or not he personally wrote the speech himself. So how it ought to work is > that someone will type the speech, print it, place it on the pulpit before > Mugabe ascends to the podium. This despite whether or not the president has > kept a copy for himself. In my view, if anyone must go with immediate > effect, it is definitely the speech writer or the head of his communication > for being casual and not taking their salaried jobs seriously. Even then I > would say firing who ever is responsible for this will amount to some kind > of heavy handedness. Overall I think the issue of reading the wrong speech > is for all intents and purposes trivial. I'm sure for any president, this > would be the least oversight, which would not warrant calls for a leader to >
Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
Comrades, Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question. Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he goes. Look at the noise in many papers about wrong sign language interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during Mandela!s Memorial service. Any threat against President Obama's life and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear sabotage from within his own camp. Embarassing the President of a country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after this one? My guess is as good as yours. On 9/19/15, Hulisani wrote: > Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of > the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of > urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so > far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that > Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who must > make sure the president has the right speech for the right occasion, whether > or not he personally wrote the speech himself. So how it ought to work is > that someone will type the speech, print it, place it on the pulpit before > Mugabe ascends to the podium. This despite whether or not the president has > kept a copy for himself. In my view, if anyone must go with immediate > effect, it is definitely the speech writer or the head of his communication > for being casual and not taking their salaried jobs seriously. Even then I > would say firing who ever is responsible for this will amount to some kind > of heavy handedness. Overall I think the issue of reading the wrong speech > is for all intents and purposes trivial. I'm sure for any president, this > would be the least oversight, which would not warrant calls for a leader to > step down. I am not sure if age has anything to do with it. Even if it has, > in the bigger scheme of things (I insist reading a wrong speech is a minor > oversight, it is not even a transgression), does the reading of the speech > outweighs all other political considerations for retaining the leader? I > think not, instead my view is that the media has made sure to sensationalize > this issue as they always do. > > >> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. >> From: chargein...@gmail.com >> To: payco@googlegroups.com >> >> It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there >> will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change. >> His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the >> one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti >> death. .even if he wants to go but they are definitely telling not to >> abandone them. They want Mugabe to rule until his last day on earth so >> that they can turn him into a deity like Mandela, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung >> to continue ruling and scare political rivals opposing them as >> disrespecting Mugabe's last will and vision. This is exactly what is >> going in PAC. Letlapa Mphahlele may be forced to remain PAC President >> even when the
