Re: [PD] a story for Lists
Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It wouldn't confuse anyone at all if there were no meta-messages. Then Pd objects would only be able to handle bang, float, list and symbol messages (and some selected others like Gem lists) - but no set, open, read, reset, stop, rewind, start or any other messages to call custom methods. Then you'd probably have to add separate inlets for each of these and that would be even worse. [textfile] would have 9 inlets. Good luck with memorizing these. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] supported formats of pix_image
I am able to play mov#180;s and avis on w32. afair i just had to install the quicktimeplayer after gem all the best# markus Derek Holzer wrote: Pd FLOSS assumes Pd Extended, so it's Quicktime on Windows and Mac. no afair, only on OSX, QuickTime is used for image reading. on w32 you have libjpeg and libtiff support. on linux you have ImageMagick. the reason why quicktime is not (optionally) used on w32 is beyond my knowledge; i guess it is just a matter of getting the preprocessor defines right (from __APPLE__ to HAVE_QUICKTIME); most likely it is like it is for legacy reasons. Linux is more complicated, based on the libs it's compiled against. I'll get Hans to send the compiler flags in a sec... on linux we check for ImageMagick, and if this is not present libjpeg and libtiff. ImageMagick will open pretty much any image format. fgamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a story for Lists
Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Oops, there was supposed to be a second part to that, which is a question: So why couldn't meta-messages all be lists, and whatever part of Pd it is that checks for meta-messages just checks the first item of the incoming list for set, add2, etc.? basically because it is like it is. i guess that if someone (not completely naive; and with an eye on language-design and not just tool-design) would go and re-invent the wheel, they would make lists just lists. without any special selector (just the first element of the list). as things stand, you have to either accept things how they are or look for an alternative. changing the way list works will be destructive to all but the most trivial patches out there. on a sidenote: why has your mail so very long lines? mfga.sdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] supported formats of pix_image
Sorry for that...by reding too fast i thought you were talking about pix_film markus bra...@subnet.at wrote: I am able to play mov#180;s and avis on w32. afair i just had to install the quicktimeplayer after gem please note that reading data from movie/films and reading data from still-images is handled differently in Gem. that is: the ability to read avi's has no relationship to the ability to read tiffs. moreover, the ability to read jpeg-images has nothing todo with the ability to open a quicktime with a mjpa stream. on some platforms it might be possible to open an image with [pix_film]/[pix_movie] and vice-versa. this is a side-effect of the underlying APIs and i currently do not recommend such useage. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! Cheers -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a story for Lists
--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] a story for Lists To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:54 AM Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It wouldn't confuse anyone at all if there were no meta-messages. Then Pd objects would only be able to handle bang, float, list and symbol messages (and some selected others like Gem lists) - but no set, open, read, reset, stop, rewind, start or any other messages to call custom methods. Then you'd probably have to add separate inlets for each of these and that would be even worse. [textfile] would have 9 inlets. Good luck with memorizing these. Oops, there was supposed to be a second part to that, which is a question: So why couldn't meta-messages all be lists, and whatever part of Pd it is that checks for meta-messages just checks the first item of the incoming list for set, add2, etc.? -Jonathan Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] supported formats of pix_image
bra...@subnet.at wrote: Sorry for that...by reding too fast i thought you were talking about pix_film no prob. it's just that osx uses QuickTime for reading movies _and_ images (hence the confusion), while w32 uses QuickTime _only_ for reading movies. fgamsdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] compiling question
This is a rather silly question but I'm stumped. I'm trying to compile pd-vanilla but am stuck at step one: ./configure --prefix /home/oded/pdvanilla I get error ./configure no such file I'm in the pd/src directory (which should be the correct one). I'm running linux FC10 (ccrma). There is a configure.in file but no .configure file. I downloaded the code from svn last week (pd-extended. I'm trying to compile vanilla first before I decide if I want to try further). I know there is something basic I'm missing. thanks Oded ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
http://www.csis.ul.ie/imedia/ The Interactive Media course in UL is pretty good as far as I can see. I did a lot of interviews for the students last year and put some footage up of their projects if you would like to see them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJwxyO4DYpk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGxra7dPLlA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_V2qZamol0feature=channel_page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmj1BeewkOAfeature=channel_page Of course your own final project could be focused on whatever you wanted but the above are just some basic examples of what other students have done. Also excuse the terrible site, it is very outdated...(ironic for a computer science department to have an outdated site eh?) Conor On 7 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Adityo Pratomo wrote: Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! Cheers -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling question
try running in pd/src... aclocal autoconf I think? (caveat: I haven't compiled pd-vanilla before...) On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Oded Ben-Tal o...@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote: This is a rather silly question but I'm stumped. I'm trying to compile pd-vanilla but am stuck at step one: ./configure --prefix /home/oded/pdvanilla I get error ./configure no such file I'm in the pd/src directory (which should be the correct one). I'm running linux FC10 (ccrma). There is a configure.in file but no .configure file. I downloaded the code from svn last week (pd-extended. I'm trying to compile vanilla first before I decide if I want to try further). I know there is something basic I'm missing. thanks Oded ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] auto 1 loops pix_film (and pix_movie?)
If i send a [auto 1( to [pix_film] i'm not able anymore to scratch the movie sending values to its cold inlet. Is this bug connected with the bug you talk about or a normal function of the obj.? besides i noticed pix_movie doens't have this behaviour but is crashing on most of the MAC OS i tried with. is this another known issue? Marco Message: 3 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:11:23 +0200 From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] auto 1 loops pix_film (and pix_movie?) To: marius schebella marius.schebe...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 49da6ffb.20...@iem.at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; Format=flowed marius schebella wrote: Hi, the help patch sais that auto 1 will not loop the movie, but actually it does. someone want to comment on this? it's a bug. mgadsr IOhannes -- Marco Donnarumma aka The !S.A.D! Multimedia Artist, Live Performer Roma, IT LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] supported formats of pix_image
bra...@subnet.at wrote: I am able to play mov#180;s and avis on w32. afair i just had to install the quicktimeplayer after gem please note that reading data from movie/films and reading data from still-images is handled differently in Gem. that is: the ability to read avi's has no relationship to the ability to read tiffs. moreover, the ability to read jpeg-images has nothing todo with the ability to open a quicktime with a mjpa stream. on some platforms it might be possible to open an image with [pix_film]/[pix_movie] and vice-versa. this is a side-effect of the underlying APIs and i currently do not recommend such useage. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
there are a lot of places all over the world. let me just pick some in Germany: BA/MA: at the Bauhaus University in Weimar http://www.uni-weimar.de/cms/index.php?id=30L=1 In transition from Diploma (5 years to Bachelor/Master 3/2 Years): at the Burg Giebichenstein in Halle: http://medienkunst.burg-halle.de at the KHM in Cologne: http://www.khm.de/ and many others. Am 07.04.2009 um 14:19 schrieb Adityo Pratomo: Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
Hey List. not wanting to offend anybody. But this has some good amount of absurdity in it, i think. And for any Newbie following that its actually quite frightening. Frank calls his way of doing hell and it only includes 3 steps. And Hans Christoph calls his way easy and it includes 10 steps monster monster-hell.. Another thing i always found strange about tthe mapping-collection. If you want to use the helpfiles in one of your patches and actually use more then one you get into conflicts What needs to be done to restructure mapping ?? I could help maybe, because its a library i used very often and found it very useful. I would be happy to do something good to that library ;-) All the Best Luigi Am 06.04.2009 um 15:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: 1) SVN/externals - otherwise [center_point] isn't found 2) SVN/externals/mapping - to find [mapping/reverse] and [mapping/disjoin] These two were meant to have reversed reasons. Hmm, because you are doing it wrong? Try this: 1. create a single place to store externals, I recommend ~/pd- externals/ 2. add it to your path 3. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/ 4. cp -a purepd ~/pd-externals (mapping is still poorly organized in SVN, so its a bit harder) 5. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 6. mkdir ~/pd-externals/mapping 7. cp -a *.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 8. cd help 9. cp -a *-help.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 10. touch ~/pd-externals/mapping/mapping-meta.pd That's it. Then if you have the libdir.pd_linux loader loaded, you can also load that as a lib using any of the standard methods. (you'll need the libdir.c from SVN). pd -lib libdir -lib mapping declare -lib mapping import mapping .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] auto 1 loops pix_film (and pix_movie?)
Hi Marco, This has been normal behavior as long as I have been aware of it. That doesn't mean that it's not a bug, however ;-) If you want looping + scrubbing, a better way would be to build a counter with a [mod] object set to the total number of frames in your clip, that way you could change the payback speed of the clip and (with some adjustments to the counter) skip around in the frames as well as go backwards, etc etc. (Nice topic for a FLOSS Manuals tutorial, eh Marius?) best! Derek Marco Donnarumma wrote: If i send a [auto 1( to [pix_film] i'm not able anymore to scratch the movie sending values to its cold inlet. Is this bug connected with the bug you talk about or a normal function of the obj.? besides i noticed pix_movie doens't have this behaviour but is crashing on most of the MAC OS i tried with. is this another known issue? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 37: Convert a melodic element into a rhythmic element ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] auto 1 loops pix_film (and pix_movie?)
Derek Holzer wrote: Hi Marco, This has been normal behavior as long as I have been aware of it. That doesn't mean that it's not a bug, however ;-) If you want looping + scrubbing, a better way would be to build a counter with a [mod] object set to the total number of frames in your clip, that way you could change the payback speed of the clip and (with some adjustments to the counter) skip around in the frames as well as go backwards, etc etc. (Nice topic for a FLOSS Manuals tutorial, eh Marius?) something like that is already there, but not as a separate example (yet...) marius. best! Derek Marco Donnarumma wrote: If i send a [auto 1( to [pix_film] i'm not able anymore to scratch the movie sending values to its cold inlet. Is this bug connected with the bug you talk about or a normal function of the obj.? besides i noticed pix_movie doens't have this behaviour but is crashing on most of the MAC OS i tried with. is this another known issue? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
Luigi a écrit : Hey List. not wanting to offend anybody. But this has some good amount of absurdity in it, i think. And for any Newbie following that its actually quite frightening. Frank calls his way of doing hell and it only includes 3 steps. it's not the steps the problem, the problem come from what is imply by this step. And Hans Christoph calls his way easy and it includes 10 steps ;-) monster monster-hell.. Another thing i always found strange about tthe mapping-collection. If you want to use the helpfiles in one of your patches and actually use more then one you get into conflicts i don't understand what you want to do, can you elaborate? What needs to be done to restructure mapping ?? I could help maybe, because its a library i used very often and found it very useful. I would be happy to do something good to that library ;-) the problem is not human resource for restructuring this lib. it's just that Franck and I did not share the same way of thinking than hans. Cyrille All the Best Luigi Am 06.04.2009 um 15:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: 1) SVN/externals - otherwise [center_point] isn't found 2) SVN/externals/mapping - to find [mapping/reverse] and [mapping/disjoin] These two were meant to have reversed reasons. Hmm, because you are doing it wrong? Try this: 1. create a single place to store externals, I recommend ~/pd-externals/ 2. add it to your path 3. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/ 4. cp -a purepd ~/pd-externals (mapping is still poorly organized in SVN, so its a bit harder) 5. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 6. mkdir ~/pd-externals/mapping 7. cp -a *.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 8. cd help 9. cp -a *-help.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 10. touch ~/pd-externals/mapping/mapping-meta.pd That's it. Then if you have the libdir.pd_linux loader loaded, you can also load that as a lib using any of the standard methods. (you'll need the libdir.c from SVN). pd -lib libdir -lib mapping declare -lib mapping import mapping .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
http://itp.nyu.edu/itp/ at New York University good luck -eva Adityo Pratomo wrote: Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! Cheers -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com http://mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com http://kotakmakan.multiply.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiblob and matrices...
Hello, 2 examples +/- from help patches that may help ++ Benjamin Simon Ball a écrit : Thanks for the response. However, I am still struggling with this. I probably need a much more basic explanation. Sorry. I assume that the patches you've provided (greatly appreciated) collate the data in someway in order for me to be able to unpack it? However, I'm not sure that I even understand exactly how 'unpack' and 'route' work, which is obviously a problem! If anyone can provide a more simplified explanation I would really appreciate it. I'm not that familiar with programming, so layman's terms are all I can manage! Thanks Simon On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at mailto:zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Simon Ball wrote: Hi List hi. it seems like i received this email multiple times... However, there are few areas I am still confused about. First of all, I am unsure of how to extract muliple co-ordinates from [pix_multiblob]. I understand that the data from multiblob is collated within a matrix. I am able to see this in the pd window when I print. However, I am unsure how to use a matrix. Is there a certain object that I should be sending to from [pix_multiblob]? And in turn, how would I convert the matrix into xy co-ordinates. there is a separate library dedicated to the kind of matrices output by [pix_multiblob]; it's called iemmatrix. however, you should have an understanding of matrices in order to use it. matrices of this form are simple messages which you can treat like any other message. attached are two examples on how to extract the rows of a matrix (and pix_multiblob will give you one row per blob; so this is interesting data), one using iemmatrix ([pix_rows]) and one using zexy ([pix_rowz]). it is left as an exercise for the user to make a pd-vanilla implementation. just send the mtx-output of [pix_multiblob] to the object, and you will get nice lists for each blob, starting with the index of the blob (zero-based) and then comes the data. use [route] to filter the relevant blobs and [unpack] to access the data. In the archives I found a response to similar a question saying there was a gem example with matrix and multiblob, but I can not seem to find it. Any idea what and where this is? there's an abstraction called [pix_blobtracker] which uses [pix_multiblob] and matrix operations to track blobs. Hope thats not too many questions. And is it easier for the list if I divide questions up (for archive purposes perhaps)? personally i would prefer separate threads for separate questions for starters. it always ends in confusion, but we could try to delay this... gmsdr IOhannes #N canvas 0 0 552 353 10; #X obj 153 163 mtx; #X msg 153 143 col; #X obj 153 123 t b a b; #X obj 153 208 list prepend; #X obj 153 184 t a b; #X obj 196 185 i; #X obj 225 187 + 1; #X msg 214 165 0; #X obj 153 97 inlet; #X obj 153 236 outlet; #X text 72 48 output thw rows of a matrix \, prepended with a (zero-based) index; #X text 50 265 depends on [iemmatrix]; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 2 1 0 1; #X connect 2 2 7 0; #X connect 3 0 9 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 4 1 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 5 0 3 1; #X connect 6 0 5 1; #X connect 7 0 5 1; #X connect 8 0 2 0; #N canvas 166 277 450 419 10; #X msg 176 195 \$2; #X obj 184 249 repack; #X obj 144 221 list split 3; #X obj 184 321 list prepend; #X obj 144 170 t a a b; #X obj 184 274 t a b; #X obj 216 297 i; #X obj 246 298 + 1; #X msg 234 276 0; #X obj 144 145 inlet; #X obj 184 351 outlet; #X text 72 108 output thw rows of a matrix \, prepended with a (zero-based) index; #X text 50 375 depends on [zexy]; #X connect 0 0 1 1; #X connect 1 0 5 0; #X connect 2 1 1 0; #X connect 3 0 10 0; #X connect 4 0 2 0; #X connect 4 1 0 0; #X connect 4 2 8 0; #X connect 5 0 3 0; #X connect 5 1 6 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 6 0 3 1; #X connect 7 0 6 1; #X connect 8 0 6 1; #X connect 9 0 4 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 509 42 863 826 10; #X obj 9 265 cnv 15 430 145 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X text 40 267 Inlets:; #X text 39 352 Outlets:; #X obj 9 227 cnv 15 430 30 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -195568 -66577 0; #X text 18 226 Arguments:; #X obj 8 56 cnv 15 430 165 empty empty empty 20 12 0
Re: [PD] a story for Lists
--- On Tue, 4/7/09, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] a story for Lists To: jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:08 PM Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Oops, there was supposed to be a second part to that, which is a question: So why couldn't meta-messages all be lists, and whatever part of Pd it is that checks for meta-messages just checks the first item of the incoming list for set, add2, etc.? basically because it is like it is. i guess that if someone (not completely naive; and with an eye on language-design and not just tool-design) would go and re-invent the wheel, they would make lists just lists. without any special selector (just the first element of the list). as things stand, you have to either accept things how they are or look for an alternative. changing the way list works will be destructive to all but the most trivial patches out there. on a sidenote: why has your mail so very long lines? Oh man, I have no idea! My messages look normal in yahoo mail, but in the archive they are one line per paragraph. Normally I just type into the text area and wrapping is handled automatically. Anyone know a way to fix this in yahoo mail? -Jonathan mfga.sdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd-extended build for linux x86_64?
Hello all, Is there a pd-extended build for linux x86_64? I need some of the objects it has and would rather get them compiled, because I am having a lot of trouble compiling them myself, except for freeverb~ which compiled right away. In any case if someone wouldn't mind sending along their x86_64, .pd_linux versions of the following objects I'd appreciate it. I need: vbap define_loudspeakers pool matrix~ thanks, Jaime -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a story for Lists
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Oops, there was supposed to be a second part to that, which is a question: So why couldn't meta-messages all be lists, and whatever part of Pd it is that checks for meta-messages just checks the first item of the incoming list for set, add2, etc.? basically because it is like it is. i guess that if someone (not completely naive; and with an eye on language-design and not just tool-design) would go and re-invent the wheel, they would make lists just lists. without any special selector (just the first element of the list). as things stand, you have to either accept things how they are or look for an alternative. changing the way list works will be destructive to all but the most trivial patches out there. I think it would be possible to make a library that treated every message with more than one element as a list. It would be a library of pack, unpack, prepend, append, route, etc. But then you could use that library to have easier list handling, but still have backwards compatibilty. Some day... maybe someone can beat me to it! .hc All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
We are now teaching Pd here too: http://itp.nyu.edu/dataflow .hc On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:08 PM, eva sjuve wrote: http://itp.nyu.edu/itp/ at New York University good luck -eva Adityo Pratomo wrote: Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! Cheers -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com http://mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com http://kotakmakan.multiply.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
Yes, there is some absurdity to this conversation. I guess Frank and I have been doing this for so long, its just part of a game we play ;-) Anyway, I could give the instructions in one step: 1. use Pd-extended ;-) I don't think many newbies really want to get into the nitty-gritty of hand-built Pd installs, but this conversation did make me smooth out the installation process. Before, the 10 steps were for creating a library from scratch. I think its pretty simple considering. Now, the libraries are pre-built in SVN, so you only need to: 1. cd /path/to/your/extra (or wherever you want to install stuff) 2. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 3. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/purepd 4. pd -lib libdir -lib purepd -lib mapping If that doesn't work for you, there is a bug. That has been working with Pd-extended for some years now. As for issues with this setup, please elaborate on them so we can fix things. .hc On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Luigi wrote: Hey List. not wanting to offend anybody. But this has some good amount of absurdity in it, i think. And for any Newbie following that its actually quite frightening. Frank calls his way of doing hell and it only includes 3 steps. And Hans Christoph calls his way easy and it includes 10 steps monster monster-hell.. Another thing i always found strange about tthe mapping-collection. If you want to use the helpfiles in one of your patches and actually use more then one you get into conflicts What needs to be done to restructure mapping ?? I could help maybe, because its a library i used very often and found it very useful. I would be happy to do something good to that library ;-) All the Best Luigi Am 06.04.2009 um 15:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: 1) SVN/externals - otherwise [center_point] isn't found 2) SVN/externals/mapping - to find [mapping/reverse] and [mapping/disjoin] These two were meant to have reversed reasons. Hmm, because you are doing it wrong? Try this: 1. create a single place to store externals, I recommend ~/pd- externals/ 2. add it to your path 3. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/ 4. cp -a purepd ~/pd-externals (mapping is still poorly organized in SVN, so its a bit harder) 5. cd /path/to/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 6. mkdir ~/pd-externals/mapping 7. cp -a *.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 8. cd help 9. cp -a *-help.pd ~/pd-externals/mapping 10. touch ~/pd-externals/mapping/mapping-meta.pd That's it. Then if you have the libdir.pd_linux loader loaded, you can also load that as a lib using any of the standard methods. (you'll need the libdir.c from SVN). pd -lib libdir -lib mapping declare -lib mapping import mapping .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: 1) SVN/externals - otherwise [center_point] isn't found 2) SVN/externals/mapping - to find [mapping/reverse] and [mapping/disjoin] These two were meant to have reversed reasons. Hmm, because you are doing it wrong? I'm not doing it wrong, it works fine. But because mapping is sometimes using prefixes internally, sometimes not (you get [float_argument] and [purepd/float_argument] or [reverse] and [mapping/reverse]) this results in users having to add twice the amount of paths or imports. Inside of the objects themselves, I use always the [mapping/reverse] form. Only in the help patches do I use the [reverse] form. That convention seemed to make sense at the time, but I am not married to it. .hc Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] route float
netpd does quite a bit of text parsing, so it is possible. I don't think that the dataflow nature is bad for parsing text, I think the we don't have any good libraries for it. zexy has quite a bit of stuff, but we need an escape mechanism, for example. .hc On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:28 PM, cyrille henry wrote: yep, not very confortable. but i was very surprised when i noticed that performing search and replace on very big text file was almost instantaneous when made with pd, but would take many minute with gedit. Cyrille Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: dunno, maybe Pd is not made for text parsing?? IMO it isn't. Can't you do the parsing somewhere else, like in a pdlua object? Much more comfortable for text. Ciao ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iemguts on windows
Its probably worthwhile to setup the whole Pd build system for Mingw if you are going to do much compiling: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/mingw We are sorely in need of some Windows developers. I currently do the maintenance, but literally the only time I use Windows is to fix the Pd Windows builds, so I am not really the best candidate. .hc On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Georg Werner wrote: hi, @iohannes: thanks for the hint: i also installed automake and autoconf @jonathan: see http://www.mingw.org/wiki/MSYS g. IOhannes m zmoelnig: Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Yes, I have msys installed. Would it make a difference where pd is installed? no not at all. the makefile uses filter and wildcard commands, which iirc, are built into Gnu make. your version of make doesn't recognize them and tries to execute commands of the very names. unfortunately it cannot find these commands in your path, thus the errors. fgamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] T-Shirt Designs Online
I like the hand and the bang-until. .hc On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Hello, Didn't get much of a chance to work on designs myself this weekend, but a few of you have sent me designs or suggestions over the past week so I thought I'd at least get those up for you all to check out. Let me know which designs you all like best. http://benbakersmith.com/pdshirts.html I'm leaning toward the pointer personally, but I think I can do two designs so keep that in mind. p.s. Sorry I didn't credit the designers, I don't feel like searching through my archived mail right now. I'll be sure to give props to whoever's designs get used once that's all sorted out. -- http://benbakersmith.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] , , , || etc
On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So a library like 'audiomath' would then have audiomath/ libaudiomath.pd_linux. Normally, audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux would only include shared code, but for this case, it would also include the ~ class, etc. i guess you meant to name it either audiomath/ libaudiomath.so (or .dll or .dylib) or audiomath/ audiomath.pd_linux. Perhaps audiomath/libaudiomath.so makes the most sense so that it can't be loaded by Pd as an objectclass. But I am guessing. the latter is btw, similar to what zexy and/or Gem suggest upstream (that is: from my side; not to be confused with any packagers' versions):: zexy/zexy.pd_linux holds shared code (e.g. [~]) and signle-file-object live side-by-side to it, e.g. rad2deg.pd; i admit that currently all C-code is considered shared (that is: there is no list2symbol.pd_linux), but once you start blurring the two worlds it get's blurry anyhow (and l2s and list2symbol share about 100% of their code anyhow) I like having each objectclass as its own file. Then only the code that is in use will be loaded into memory. linking everything together into one zexy.pd_linux means the whole thing is loaded into memory, no? having said all that, i think it is a good idea: i would like to be able (e.g. in Pd-extended) to load Gem (without modifying the path!) and it should find Gem/Gem.pd_linux and add Gem/ to it's search paths (for abstractions and single-file externals) i would also like to have Pd's loading mechanism modified so that it _temporarily_ adds Gem/ to the dylib-searchpath, so one could ship a library with external dependencies (without having to link them statically) I am sure you don't mean to do this on GNU/Linux, right? I take it you mean like including a .dylib in the Gem folder? Kind of like what I do with Pd-extended and the Fink dylibs? That is not a great system. I think due to the limitations of the Mac OS X shared lib loading, it would be painful. Basically, AFAIK, a .dylib in Mac OS X must have its path hard-coded in the file. Otherwise, you have to load it manually with a direct call to dlopen. I don't remember the details in Windows, I think that it already checks . for .dlls by default. .hc I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Ubuntu 8.1 HID object
Ah right, you have to do something with udev to make it permanent, I think. .hc On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:59 AM, alvaro wrote: Hi, quick fix: sudo chown root:audio /dev/input/* this changes the group ownership of everything under /dev/input to group audio, of which you are presumably a member. This makes your system slightly more vulnerable, but it will be reverted the next time you boot. Alvaro On Fr, 2009-04-03 at 20:27 +0200, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 05:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: tf...@learnkanji.ca Subject: [PD] Ubuntu 8.1 HID object To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: d29ee3585f7e90f4a8346d07a39118d3.squir...@mail.learnkanji.ca Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I have been unable to get the Ubuntu HID object working with my mouse or my Wacom Graphire4 in Ubuntu 8.1. I am currently using Wintablet in windows but to use it the top window has to be wintablet, not PD so PD can't get keyboard events at the same time as wacom events. I don't get error messages but no events come out. I searched the mail archives and followed the advice there. I am not getting any output when I do sudo cat /dev/input/event0-10 or /dev/input/mouse0 or /dev/input/ mice or /dev/input/wacom. The Xorg.conf doesn't contain anything related to Wacom, it is all handled by HAL in Ubuntu 8.1. Is that where the problem is coming from? Has anyone sorted this out already? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testing: Pd-extended 0.41.4
Delete your preferences, you have an old preferences file that is not loading 'libdir. Pd-extended now uses the internal preferences. You can find which file to delete here at the bottom: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/pdsettings .hc On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Alexandre Porres wrote: I get cyclone: can't load library zexy: can't load library creb: can't load library cxc: can't load library iemlib: can't load library list-abs: can't load library mapping: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library markex: can't load library maxlib: can't load library which is what I got in the last version, that is why I have been using 0.39.4 since I got it... I am really clueless why it is not workingm anybidy else? cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yes, there is some absurdity to this conversation. I guess Frank and I have been doing this for so long, its just part of a game we play ;-) Anyway, I could give the instructions in one step: 1. use Pd-extended ;-) But that's exactly what I mean: mapping IMO has become promotion material for pd-extended, but increasingly hard to use for users of newer Pd versions or alternative distributions. I don't think many newbies really want to get into the nitty-gritty of hand-built Pd installs, but this conversation did make me smooth out the installation process. Before, the 10 steps were for creating a library from scratch. I think its pretty simple considering. Now, the libraries are pre-built in SVN, so you only need to: 1. cd /path/to/your/extra (or wherever you want to install stuff) 2. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 3. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/purepd 4. pd -lib libdir -lib purepd -lib mapping You cheat a bit here: svn co whereverlibdiris; make libdir, and I don't know, if help-files in mapping work then - with just your sets they won't. And you still have the requirement of putting the directories mapping and purepd into a directory in the pd path like extra, so it's still four paths to set, just like I wrote in my first mail. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testing: Pd-extended 0.41.4
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Matthias Neuenhofer wrote: I think it went to svn via Cyrille. What to do geting the release state? ask :-) answer: no, it's not yet in an officially released version of Gem. what to do with it? make a Gem release and include it? this will most likely stall the Pd-extended release-candidate. Let's get this one released, then get a new Gem build included. One the release is done, then we can switch the nightly builds of Gem to trunk. .hc fgmaft IOhannes I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] abunch release
yay, more libraries! If you add a simple patch called abunch033- meta.pd to the folder, then that folder will be a 'libdir' library. That means you can drop it into ~/Library/Pd and it will act like a full Pd library. So you can then do things like: [abunch033/clock] or [import abunch033] [clock] That then provides a way to handle name conflicts, since you have a number of common words: timeline, waves, clock, slice, etc. Here's the cross-platform install instructions, just drop the abunch033 folder with the abunch033-meta.pd file in the right folder and it will work (needs the latest nightly builds of Pd-extended): http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files-with-pd-extended .hc On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Hans Roels wrote: Hello, Here is my release of Abunch, a collection of 50 abstractions for Pd vanilla. I started developing these patches for the different courses that I teach (for performers, for composers, for students, for teenagers,...). It is conceived as an easy introduction to computer music. After a while I started adding more advanced features because I also started using it myself, not just for teaching but for performing and composing. I guess most people on this list are Pd-users, so the explanation about Abunch is rather simple: -all controle data are normalized within the range of 0 - 127 -give an unique number to every abunch abstraction as an argument. So if you want to create two phasers: [phaser 1] and [phaser 2] -you can save presets by creating the object 'presets' and giving it one symbol as an argument, like [presets phaserpresets] Every abunch object has a help file. You need to have a Pd version 0.40 or higher. The fastest way to get to know Abunch is to have a look at the example files. There are about 30 of them, they are in the abunch folder and start with 'ex' (like 'ex1a-play.pd'). You can download Abunch (and find more information) on this site: http://home.versateladsl.be/hanstine/hans/abunch-eng.htm Voor de Nederlandstaligen: je kan ook een Nederlandstalige versie downloaden (met help files en uitleg in het Nederlands): http://home.versateladsl.be/hanstine/hans/abunch-ned.htm Abunch was realized with the support of the University College of Ghent (Faculty of Music and Drama)(Belgium). Hans R ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
On Apr 8, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yes, there is some absurdity to this conversation. I guess Frank and I have been doing this for so long, its just part of a game we play ;-) Anyway, I could give the instructions in one step: 1. use Pd-extended ;-) But that's exactly what I mean: mapping IMO has become promotion material for pd-extended, but increasingly hard to use for users of newer Pd versions or alternative distributions. I don't think many newbies really want to get into the nitty-gritty of hand-built Pd installs, but this conversation did make me smooth out the installation process. Before, the 10 steps were for creating a library from scratch. I think its pretty simple considering. Now, the libraries are pre-built in SVN, so you only need to: 1. cd /path/to/your/extra (or wherever you want to install stuff) 2. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/mapping 3. svn co http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/purepd 4. pd -lib libdir -lib purepd -lib mapping You cheat a bit here: svn co whereverlibdiris; make libdir, and I don't know, if help-files in mapping work then - with just your sets they won't. And you still have the requirement of putting the directories mapping and purepd into a directory in the pd path like extra, so it's still four paths to set, just like I wrote in my first mail. How about checking whether help files work before reporting the problem? You only need to install libdir once. Plus if you use the latest version of libdir, then 'extra' can be any folder in the path. I suggest one of these: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files-with-pd-extended .hc Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Has anyone used PD to read internet radio streams?
Howdy, I'm wondering if anyone has used PD to read internet radio streams? I need to make an interactive tuner ... --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
http://mlab.taik.fi/ especially there is a new MA program already started this academic year, Sound in New Media, which might covers pretty much all your interests. Koray On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:19 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:19:31 +0700 From: Adityo Pratomo quietdi...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts To: PD List Pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 27d16aa70904070519q64ddeae6h968fcdc259ff1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi there everyone. I want to ask, can anybody give me information about universities that give a master degree in new media arts, probably those that similar with MIT Media Lab. I've just graduated with a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, and in my final assignment, I create some kind of installation using Arduino and Pd. After that, I feel very eager to continue studying about this new media art field. So can anybody tell me where should i go? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you very much everybody! Cheers -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com - M.Koray Tahiroglu Acoustics Lab / TKK http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt/ http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~ktahirog/ tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mapping: path setting hell
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You cheat a bit here: svn co whereverlibdiris; make libdir, and I don't know, if help-files in mapping work then - with just your sets they won't. And you still have the requirement of putting the directories mapping and purepd into a directory in the pd path like extra, so it's still four paths to set, just like I wrote in my first mail. How about checking whether help files work before reporting the problem? I wrote I don't know if helpp-files work - but I've tried it now. You only need to install libdir once. Plus if you use the latest version of libdir, then 'extra' can be any folder in the path. I suggest one of these: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files-with-pd-extended Okay, here's what I did: $ cp -a SVN/mapping /usr/lib/pd/extra $ cd SVN/loaders $ svn update $ make (to make libdir.pd_linux) $ pd -lib libdir -lib mapping gives this: ... libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ compiled on Apr 8 2009 at 07:46:59 compiled against Pd version 0.42.4. mapping: can't load library ... and I still cannot create any mapping object. I was able to fix that by adding a mapping-meta.pd file manually (copied from some pd-extended source on my disk, could find one in SVN's trunk). Help files still don't work. According to http://puredata.info/docs/developer/Libdir help-files have to be either in 5.reference/libname or next to the object in question. Both is not the case the way mapping is laid out and again something, that has to be done manually. That's all pretty complicated for a newbie like me. :) Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
