Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Chris McCormick wrote: > >On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:29:40PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > >>Anyway, seriously, if you wanted [unpost] as an external > >>for Miller's pd, you can't, because Miller rejected the > >>sys_printhook patch in 2004. > > > >Maybe it would go in now that there is this excellent > >concrete example of being able to catch and process errors in-patch. > > If it makes sense to you that excellent concrete examples can push > new features into pd, I cannot help your case. It doesn't work that > way. On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 01:51:21AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > It's very possible for you to transfer the features. You only have to > rewrite the code the way that Miller wants them to be written like. So why don't more people do that? Rewrite the code the way [they think] Miller wants instead of forking their own incompatible version of Pd? Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Expr does not play well with ints?
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, B. Bogart wrote: Mathieu, are you really able to put 8.0 in an expr argument? In my PD (.39 ubuntu package) the 8.0 gets turned into 8 and remains an int. Ah! [expr float(8) / 6] does the trick, I'm damn happy there is float() in there!!! if you write any character next to the number that causes pd to read it as a symbol, then pd won't rewrite it before expr reads it. [expr (8.0) / (6.0)] = 1.25 [expr 8.0 / 6.0] = 1 [expr 8.0 /6.0] = 1.25 [expr 8.0/ 6.0] = 1.25 [expr 8.0/6.0] = 1.25 _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Expr does not play well with ints?
Ah! [expr float(8) / 6] does the trick, I'm damn happy there is float() in there!!! Thanks all, B. Bogart B. Bogart wrote: > Mathieu, are you really able to put 8.0 in an expr argument? In my PD > (.39 ubuntu package) the 8.0 gets turned into 8 and remains an int. > > Hmm? > > B. Bogart > > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, B. Bogart wrote: >> >>> So I've been doing lots of calculations with expr and creation >>> arguments, and it seems to send an int when it should send a float way >>> too often: >>> [expr 8 / 20] >>> returns 0!!! >>> Have I lost my mind? Is my machine going crazy? or is expr actually >>> doing what I see here? >> expr supports the int type because [expr] comes from jMax/FTS/Max/etc. >> So if you put a number without a dot it's parsed as an int. Then the >> main difference between ints and floats is that an int divided by an int >> is rounded towards zero (many languages do it like that but some others >> round it always downwards instead; some others instead force the result >> to be a float or a rational) >> >> What you can do is either [expr 8 / 20.0] or [expr 8.0 / 20] or >> obviously [expr 8.0 / 20.0] >> >> You only need to make one of the two as float because float has priority >> on int, so when a float comes into contact with an int, the int is >> converted, even though float can't represent everything that int can, >> e.g. compare >> >> [expr 123456789%10] finds last digit of 123456789 >> [expr int(123456789.0)%10] fails because float isn't that precise >> >> do not put a space before % in that first example! if you do, pd will >> parse it as a number, turn it to float, then give it to [expr], which >> determines that float % int = syntax error. >> >> cool, eh? >> >> _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... >> | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Expr does not play well with ints?
Mathieu, are you really able to put 8.0 in an expr argument? In my PD (.39 ubuntu package) the 8.0 gets turned into 8 and remains an int. Hmm? B. Bogart Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, B. Bogart wrote: > >> So I've been doing lots of calculations with expr and creation >> arguments, and it seems to send an int when it should send a float way >> too often: >> [expr 8 / 20] >> returns 0!!! >> Have I lost my mind? Is my machine going crazy? or is expr actually >> doing what I see here? > > expr supports the int type because [expr] comes from jMax/FTS/Max/etc. > So if you put a number without a dot it's parsed as an int. Then the > main difference between ints and floats is that an int divided by an int > is rounded towards zero (many languages do it like that but some others > round it always downwards instead; some others instead force the result > to be a float or a rational) > > What you can do is either [expr 8 / 20.0] or [expr 8.0 / 20] or > obviously [expr 8.0 / 20.0] > > You only need to make one of the two as float because float has priority > on int, so when a float comes into contact with an int, the int is > converted, even though float can't represent everything that int can, > e.g. compare > > [expr 123456789%10] finds last digit of 123456789 > [expr int(123456789.0)%10] fails because float isn't that precise > > do not put a space before % in that first example! if you do, pd will > parse it as a number, turn it to float, then give it to [expr], which > determines that float % int = syntax error. > > cool, eh? > > _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada > > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio Analasys
Derek Holzer a écrit : Hi Patrice, Patrice Colet wrote: Derek Holzer a écrit : * [expr 6/f$1] I always do this typo, ;) Sorry, but ? Did I put one too many zeros or something? d. it's not f$1, it's $f1, lol. begin:vcard fn:Patrice Colet n:Colet;Patrice adr;dom:;;;Nice;;06100 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:06 32 66 03 57 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mac/intel extended rc4
Hey, I cc'ed the list since this is of general interest. Try trashing your pd preferences in ~/Library/Preferences. The file is called org.puredata.pd.plist. Otherwise, post the whole contents of the Pd window to the Pd-list. The PDP error below means that you do know have X11.app installed. It's included on the Mac OS X 10.4 DVD. You'll need to install it to use PDP and PiDiP. Hope the clavicle heals soon! .hc On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:33 AM, wolfgang schwarzenbrunner wrote: > hi hans, > > after 6 years of pd - still a newbie... > > anyway - i have this intel mac just for half a year now and never > worked on mac befor. so here is the issue: > > i downloaded your extended rc4. copied it to the application > folder. ran it. gem loaded - all other libs don`t load. which is > strange... > > do you maybe have a hint (befor i start trying around for hours)? > > sorry for unpolite "short wordedness" but i broke my clavicle two > days ago, which makes writing slow and painful :( ;) > > shell output below... maybe i just have to set one or two paths - > but i don`t really know exactly how an where to... > > best regards and sorry for disturbing > > schwarzenbrunner wolfgang > > > GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia > GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs > GEM: compiled: Jul 10 2007 > GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig > GEM: Authors :Mark Danks (original version) > GEM:Chris Clepper > GEM:James Tittle > GEM:IOhannes m zmoelnig > GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, > et al. > GEM: using SSE2 optimization > iem: can't load library > vst: can't load library > OSC: can't load library > /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/ > pdp.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/ > Resources/Scripts/../extra/pdp.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: / > usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib > Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/ > Scripts/../extra/pdp.pd_darwin > Reason: image not found > pdp: can't load library > error: .printout.text: no such object All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hidio bug?
First off, I must say [hidio] can be quite rough since it's very alpha. But I am glad to have people testing it, with that in mind. But if you are using [hidio] and not [hid], and you are getting "rel_x" as a message, then that is a bug. "rel_x" is the old [hid] style messages. [hidio]'s messages look like [relative x 0 1( .hc On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Diego Azar wrote: Hi. I'm using the hidio object with a mouse and it seems there's something I'm not getting. The problem is when routing the list from the rel_x to obtain the x relative axes; the value, sometimes, is greater than abs(1) when the mouse is not moving. Is this behavior correct? Is this a bug? Has it anythig to do with the numbers hidio gets from the /dev/event$ or something within the OS? I'm using a Debian based distro. Thanks, Diego. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions
On Jul 22, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Thomas Grill wrote: > >> The question for me is rather why desiredata announcements are >> posted into the PD-list given that the codebase has moved away in >> a way that makes it impossible to transfer most of the features. >> Although I find DD an interesting project, it's essentially off- >> topic for the pd-list. > > Tell me: is this a mailing-list about pd the language, or about pd > the implementation? How do you know that? > > It's very possible for you to transfer the features. You only have > to rewrite the code the way that Miller wants them to be written like. I think it's a good idea to start exploring how to make Pd a cleaner language, but there are ways of softening the blow of drastic changes. One thing that you could do to lighten the impact is to make a separate library that has your versions of route, pack, etc. Then if we strip out as much as possible from the Pd core language, and stick it all into libraries, then it would be quite easy to switch between the compatible versions and your new versions. Another option is to use different names. .hc > > _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC > Canada___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Control X,Y position of main Pd window at startup?
Thanks for scoping this out. I added this to Pd-extended so that it's easy to change. Ideally this would be a preference, but there needs to be some kind of preference framework to handle things like this. .hc On Jul 23, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Bjoern Hartmann wrote: > I'll answer my own question - > in file pd.tk, at the end of the "main window set up" section, > after lines > > wm title . "Pd" > . configure -menu .mbar -width 200 -height 150 > > add the following line to control main window position at startup: > > wm geometry . +x+y > > where (x,y) is the offset in pixels from the top left corner of the > screen. So "wm geometry . +0+0" puts the pd main window in the top > left corner of the leftmost screen. > > The relevant Tk manual page is: > http://tmml.sourceforge.net/doc/tk/wm.html > > > > -- > Bjoern Hartmann > Human Computer Interaction Group > Stanford University > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] PD workshop, Budapest
I won't be anywhere near there, unfortunately, but it's good to see Pd spreading. Be sure to add your workshop to the workshop page (it's a wiki page): http://puredata.org/docs/workshops .hc On Jul 22, 2007, at 1:58 PM, stc wrote: > Hi all, > > i will make a PD workshop in Budapest, Hungary. Details are here: > > http://www.kitchenbudapest.hu/en/node/232 > > come and see if you are around bp at the middle of august.. > > ps. the recursive Gem patches posted a few days ago are brilliant... > good to see that things are happening around with Gem... > > ___ > PD-announce mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] PD workshop, Budapest
This could be a good opportunity to bring some computer music resources. But I'll bet there is something. Maybe you could make Pd big in Romania :D. .hc On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: Too bad, I will be moving to Romania soon, and I could make the trip, but not before August. Any Pd people in Romania? I'll be in Bucharest at first, perhaps to relocate. I married a Romanian woman who came to the US on a Fulbright scholarship, and one of the agreements she made by accepting the sholarship was to spend 2 years in Romania after school, and marrying a US citizen has no effect on that. I understand there are very few resources for computer music in Romania. -Chuckk On 7/22/07, stc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, i will make a PD workshop in Budapest, Hungary. Details are here: http://www.kitchenbudapest.hu/en/node/232 come and see if you are around bp at the middle of august.. ps. the recursive Gem patches posted a few days ago are brilliant... good to see that things are happening around with Gem... ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to know line~ has finished
On Jul 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, jasch wrote: > excellent, > and threshold~ is even in PDa > > thanks > > /*j (off to count cycles) > > > >> Line~ is not the same as line~ > > that much i figured > >> But you can simulate Line~'s behavior with Pd's basic objects. > > yeah, maybe it would be worth it to upgrade line~ and vline~ (if > that's not considered a heresy :) > nobody would mind a second outlet... I think that it is a great idea to have line, line~, and vline~ output a bang on a second outlet when they finish. There are already a number of objects that work like this, and I think it's a useful paradigm here. .hc > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd] SIMD
Just checked in the fix to the release branch. .hc On Jul 13, 2007, at 6:49 PM, hard off wrote: this is still a problem in the newest build of pd extended on os X. is there some way i can fix it for myself? "...information-sharing is a powerful positive good, and... it is an ethical duty of hackers to share their expertise by writing open- source code and facilitating access to information and to computing resources wherever possible." - Eric Raymond ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM installation OS 10.3.9 "how do I do it?"
Which objects didn't work? AFAIK, things should work on 10.3, but I could be wrong. .hc On Jul 22, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Daniel Zajicek wrote: > I have downloaded PD, and have been trying to get GEM to work for most > of today. I have downloaded > Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4-macosx104-powerpc.dmg from Han's site > (http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html), but I continually get > errors saying: > > > iemabs: can't load library > iemmatrix: can't load library > liblist: can't load library > > pdp_text : severe error : could not load default font : no > rendering !!! > pdp_qtext : severe error : could not load default font : no > rendering !!! > > In addition, I was unable to create objects, and instead pd would > create a box with a dashed line around it (is this a comment box?). > > So, thwarted by that, I downloaded Miller's most current version of pd > 40-2, and thought I might just put GEM on there myself, but I can't > figure out how to do it. This is my first time working with a program > like pd, and I could used some assistance either installing GEM, or > getting pd-extended to work. > > If it helps, I am running OS 10.3.9, on an G4 powerbook. > > Thanks in advance, > Dan Zajicek > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] getting file info from a directory
There is also [folder_list] in "hcs" in Pd-extented. .hc On Jul 21, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Andy Farnell wrote: > > > [playlist] is nice if you don't have [shell]. You can filter > by extension and seek to iterate through the list. > > http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html > > > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:33:31 -0500 > Denis Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I would like to get a list of all the sound files in a directory >> (including sub-directories possibly), and be able to iterate through >> this list (perhaps randomly), getting their length, then loading and >> playing all or part of these files. Any suggestions regarding >> objects/patches to look at would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Denis >> >> ___ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list > > > -- > Use the source > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2", by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] polygon object
I don't have a [polygon] object, is it new or require some special abs? I'm running Han's build of PD 0.39.2-extended-test6 On 7/23/07, Timon Botez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, I do mean the [polygon] object in Gem - not curve. Curve appears to be restricted to some 10 points. Ill look into the forced rendering stuff - although not entirely sure how it helps. Thanks for pointer. Couldnt get linked download. T. Hallo, Timon Botez hat gesagt: // Timon Botez wrote: > Hi, is there a more efficient way of feeding co-ordinates to the > polygon object? If I have more than 20 points it is somewhat > difficult to match a feed to the inlets. Something like a matrix > input could make that simpler... > I suppose, with "polygon object" you mean the [curve] object of Gem? (There are other "polygon objects" outside of Gem, like [drawpolygon]) For Gem, you can use attached approach which involves "forced rendering" (search the archive for "double gemhead trick" to get a longer explanation.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- B~ www.cypod.co.nr ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] recursion in Gem - a tutorial
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Again, I tried to create something similar in Pd, but ran into re-entrancy bugs whenever I tried to use recursion. I do not write externals lightly, but in this case I think it was necessary. If someone knows how to solve this in pure Pd, I'd be delighted. To follow up on our discussion on the FreeNode #dataflow channel... think about what it takes for any object to figure out "hey, I'm being used recursively!". Basically, if I use [+] recursively, there's no way that just by the order of use of the inlets it can figure out whether anything is recursive or not. What it can use is the outlets, but it can only figure out recursion when the left inlet gets stuffed, so if that is preceded immediately by a right inlet message, there's no way for that object to know whether the right inlet message is intended to accompany the recursive call or just configure the object for the benefit of the next non-recursive call. Both possibilities are legitimate uses that have to be supported. Your only possibility, then, is to make something explicit, with methods "push" and "pop" that can handle backups of states of enough subobjects, or else do something really heavy for creating instances recursively by dynamic patching. (we're at the edge of what makes sense in a pd-style of dataflow... I suppose any solution will look weird) (In DesireData it could look at pd_stack, but that wouldn't be fast and it's not enough because it still needs a state-preserving system) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Expr does not play well with ints?
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, B. Bogart wrote: So I've been doing lots of calculations with expr and creation arguments, and it seems to send an int when it should send a float way too often: [expr 8 / 20] returns 0!!! Have I lost my mind? Is my machine going crazy? or is expr actually doing what I see here? expr supports the int type because [expr] comes from jMax/FTS/Max/etc. So if you put a number without a dot it's parsed as an int. Then the main difference between ints and floats is that an int divided by an int is rounded towards zero (many languages do it like that but some others round it always downwards instead; some others instead force the result to be a float or a rational) What you can do is either [expr 8 / 20.0] or [expr 8.0 / 20] or obviously [expr 8.0 / 20.0] You only need to make one of the two as float because float has priority on int, so when a float comes into contact with an int, the int is converted, even though float can't represent everything that int can, e.g. compare [expr 123456789%10] finds last digit of 123456789 [expr int(123456789.0)%10] fails because float isn't that precise do not put a space before % in that first example! if you do, pd will parse it as a number, turn it to float, then give it to [expr], which determines that float % int = syntax error. cool, eh? _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >But to return to the original question, if my 'improvement' of > >pack destroys the nice symmetry of pack and unpack arguments, this > >certainly calls the design of unlack into question, since the only > >reason its arguments are as they are is that they were designed so > >in the context of a no-longer-extant pack. > > Is symmetry so important? > > Why is it that leftmost inlet is special, not only in terms of > implementation (the object _is_ its own left inlet except in case of > NOINLET) but also that it is the 'active' inlet for most classes? > Because there's no special built-in outlet in those same objects... Hm, but mostly there is, at least "kind of": The hot left-most inlet corresponds to the right-to-left triggering of many objects. [unpack] | / [pack] will fire only once because of this. In general this convention leads to the "oriental" right-to-left reading direction one often uses when deciphering Pd-patches. > Why are some classes using the reverse order? [timer], [realtime], > [cputime]. For those objects, messages need to be sent left-to-right; the > rightmost inlet triggers output. It's likely because of the nice symmetry in the following common idiom to get inter-onset intervals: [t b b] | | [timer] [timer] (and its relatives to some extent) is an object that is used in a hot-to-cold fashion more often than in the cold-to-hot direction common with most other objects like [pack] etc. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] recursion in Gem - a tutorial
hello, i just had a look at your patch. you can remove most [t a a], as every gem primitive output the pointer they reciving. on your 1st patch, you can remove the separator, they are useless. for patch 6 : i usually did not care storing the data on a table, i usually generated them on the fly using random, and seed the random at every frame. this is not really slower, and lot's easier to program. for the other, why don't you use a LSystem? i you don't need infinit recurtion depth, i think it's easier to code and more flexible (every recurtion can be adjusted independantly)? cyrille Claude Heiland-Allen a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I figured out how to implement [nrepeat] and [nnrepeat] in pure-Pd, they > still require [repeat] from Zexy, and also the [list] objects from > pd-0.40-2 or greater (and obviously Gem is required too). > > The updated files (just Pd patches, no externals required) can be > downloaded from: > > https://devel.goto10.org/dl.php?repname=maximus&path=%2Ftutorials%2Fgem-recursion%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 > > Thanks, > > > Claude > > > Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've been playing around with recursion in Gem, and thought I'd document >> my experiences. >> >> >> You can download the patches here (Gzip'd Tar): >> >> https://devel.goto10.org/dl.php?repname=maximus&path=%2Ftutorials%2Fgem-recursion%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 >> >> >> You will also need a couple of externals that you can download here >> (Gzip'd Tar, C source code only): >> >> https://devel.goto10.org/dl.php?repname=maximus&path=%2Fclodlib%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 >> >> These externals are necessary because I haven't figured out a nice way >> to handle recursive re-entrancy in a Pd patch. If I do I'll update the >> tutorial with the dependancy removed. >> >> >> Screenshots are here, in case you're not near a computer with Pd+Gem: >> >> http://www.blurty.com/users/claudiusmaximus/day/2007/07/18#407 >> >> >> Please let me know if you find it useful, or if you don't. Thanks for >> your attention, >> >> >> Claude > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Expr does not play well with ints?
Hey all, So I've been doing lots of calculations with expr and creation arguments, and it seems to send an int when it should send a float way too often: [expr 8 / 20] returns 0!!! See attached patch. Have I lost my mind? Is my machine going crazy? or is expr actually doing what I see here? I cringe at the idea of doing these calculations with separate [*] [/] [+] [-] objects... Thanks, B. Bogart #N canvas 0 0 450 300 10; #X obj 74 90 expr 8 / 20; #X obj 142 24 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X floatatom 93 128 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 213 133 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 191 47 1; #X obj 194 95 expr $f1 * 8 / 20; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 3 0; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Control X,Y position of main Pd window at startup?
I'll answer my own question - in file pd.tk, at the end of the "main window set up" section, after lines wm title . "Pd" . configure -menu .mbar -width 200 -height 150 add the following line to control main window position at startup: wm geometry . +x+y where (x,y) is the offset in pixels from the top left corner of the screen. So "wm geometry . +0+0" puts the pd main window in the top left corner of the leftmost screen. The relevant Tk manual page is: http://tmml.sourceforge.net/doc/tk/wm.html -- Bjoern Hartmann Human Computer Interaction Group Stanford University ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM pix_buffer
On 7/23/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's the problem... we're long on memory and short on CPU with the patch I'm working on. I hoped I could use [pix_buffer] to get some of that CPU back at the expense of a lot of RAM... Besides, I couldn't preload *all* my clips with the 'ram' message anyways. Only the one I'm currently playing. My patch has 48 clips which will be addressed by three different players, so a way of storing all the vids ahead of time is required to avoid lagtime starting the video when it's requested. Can you fit all 48 clips uncompressed into RAM? A 1 second clip at 640x480 30fps in YCbCr is about 18.5MB (double that for RGBA) which would allow 3 and a half minutes of video to fit in 32bit address space. Try creating a RAM disk and copy the uncompressed clips into that. RAM disks might even allow for greater than 32 bit sizes. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM pix_buffer
Hi Chris, chris clepper wrote: > Yes. Reading and writing a pix_buffer is at most a memory copy operation. Great! That's what I thought. > On OSX you can load a compressed video file into RAM using the 'ram' > message. This will use less memory than pix_buffer but still use CPU > for decoding the video. That's the problem... we're long on memory and short on CPU with the patch I'm working on. I hoped I could use [pix_buffer] to get some of that CPU back at the expense of a lot of RAM... Besides, I couldn't preload *all* my clips with the 'ram' message anyways. Only the one I'm currently playing. My patch has 48 clips which will be addressed by three different players, so a way of storing all the vids ahead of time is required to avoid lagtime starting the video when it's requested. thx+best, d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 138: "Retrace your steps" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM pix_buffer
On 7/23/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A couple questions: First: I assume that reading images from [pix_buffer] is less CPU intensive than decoding a video file with [pix_film]. Is that true? Yes. Reading and writing a pix_buffer is at most a memory copy operation. Second (and assuming the first statement is true): is there a way to dump a whole video into [pix_buffer] without doing it frame-by-frame? On OSX you can load a compressed video file into RAM using the 'ram' message. This will use less memory than pix_buffer but still use CPU for decoding the video. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM pix_buffer
A couple questions: First: I assume that reading images from [pix_buffer] is less CPU intensive than decoding a video file with [pix_film]. Is that true? Second (and assuming the first statement is true): is there a way to dump a whole video into [pix_buffer] without doing it frame-by-frame? Thanks + best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 87: "Imagine the music as a moving chain or caterpillar" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Control X,Y position of main Pd window at startup?
Is there a way to control at which position the main Pd window appears on the screen on startup? For an individual patch, I can write desired values into the canvas definition line "#N canvas X Y ..." in the patch's pd file - but what about the main window/console? I suspect this may be possible by hacking pd.tk, but as I'm unfamiliar with Tcl/Tk I don't quite know where to look. I'm running Pd version 0.39.2-extended-rc3 on Win XP (gave up on Vista for now). -- Bjoern Hartmann Human Computer Interaction Group Stanford University ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] polygon object
Hallo, Timon Botez hat gesagt: // Timon Botez wrote: > Sorry, I do mean the [polygon] object in Gem - not curve. Curve > appears to be restricted to some 10 points. Ill look into the forced > rendering stuff - although not entirely sure how it helps. Thanks for > pointer. Ah, sorry, I completely forgot about that. Then just ignore my curve-ramblings. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] polygon object
Sorry, I do mean the [polygon] object in Gem - not curve. Curve appears to be restricted to some 10 points. Ill look into the forced rendering stuff - although not entirely sure how it helps. Thanks for pointer. Couldnt get linked download. T. Hallo, Timon Botez hat gesagt: // Timon Botez wrote: > Hi, is there a more efficient way of feeding co-ordinates to the > polygon object? If I have more than 20 points it is somewhat > difficult to match a feed to the inlets. Something like a matrix > input could make that simpler... > I suppose, with "polygon object" you mean the [curve] object of Gem? (There are other "polygon objects" outside of Gem, like [drawpolygon]) For Gem, you can use attached approach which involves "forced rendering" (search the archive for "double gemhead trick" to get a longer explanation.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: But to return to the original question, if my 'improvement' of pack destroys the nice symmetry of pack and unpack arguments, this certainly calls the design of unlack into question, since the only reason its arguments are as they are is that they were designed so in the context of a no-longer-extant pack. Is symmetry so important? Why is it that leftmost inlet is special, not only in terms of implementation (the object _is_ its own left inlet except in case of NOINLET) but also that it is the 'active' inlet for most classes? Because there's no special built-in outlet in those same objects... Why are some classes using the reverse order? [timer], [realtime], [cputime]. For those objects, messages need to be sent left-to-right; the rightmost inlet triggers output. What about [unselect] and [unroute] ? Why can't [send~] and [receive~] be used just like [send] and [receive] and instead of making it many-to-many you added [catch~] and [throw~] that instead has exactly the opposite problem? Where's [tabwrite4] ? ;) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Loading movies
Do you see a Quicktime error posted in the console? GEM uses bog standard QT API calls used by other QT applications, so a clip that works in one should work in the others. The gemwindow message is not an error. On 7/23/07, Paul Verity Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am attempting to load movies on a Mac G5 Intel (dual core Intel Xeon 2.66 Ghz) running PD-0.39.2-extended - test 7 and am unable to load quicktime movies. When we click on the file it reads 0 frames in Pix Film regardless of the actual length of the movies which are rendered using Motion JPEG B. On the screen is simply a white blank. We do get an error message "Gemwindow active err = 0" Any ideas friends? Best regards Paul -- 3 Fountain Square Westgate St., Gloucester GL1 2QY tel:+44 1452506586 mob: +44 7961980841 Web: http://www.miranda-arts.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Loading movies
Am attempting to load movies on a Mac G5 Intel (dual core Intel Xeon 2.66 Ghz) running PD-0.39.2-extended - test 7 and am unable to load quicktime movies. When we click on the file it reads 0 frames in Pix Film regardless of the actual length of the movies which are rendered using Motion JPEG B. On the screen is simply a white blank. We do get an error message "Gemwindow active err = 0" Any ideas friends? Best regards Paul -- 3 Fountain Square Westgate St., Gloucester GL1 2QY tel:+44 1452506586 mob: +44 7961980841 Web: http://www.miranda-arts.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, the usefulness, type-checking can have, is obvious, otherwise we wouldn't have C. Of course, sometimes it's a pain, otherwise we wouldn't have other languages. I don't think that the choice of C vs other languages is just a matter of type checking, nor even just a matter of types. The purpose of types is not limited to merely checks. They can also be used for expressing conversions and documentation and contracts and polymorphisms. But to illustrate where the type-checking of [unpack] is useful, see attached patch: If I have an [unpack 0 0 0] in my patch, and after that some math calculations on numbers, then if a symbol message reaches the [unpack 0 0 0], for years now I *know* that the error in my patch has to be somewhere before that unpack. This makes looking for the bug a bit easier and I admit: I'm used to this behaviour of unpack. What you wrote in the patch... I made exactly the same argument to a quite different group of people some years ago. It was about whether or not interfaces should be declared in the program itself and be checked. Ruby people tend to be very much into skipping all type checks. What I didn't think about until yesterday is that if I want to define a method in pd using pd itself, how would i typically do that? well, I would use a [route] as the method dispatcher; then I might use [list] to revert the implicit [list trim] that [route] does; then I have an argument list, which is an actual list. from that I can take $1 $2 $3... using messageboxes or... using [unpack]. Now if one wanted to add typechecking in a location similar to where it usually happens? It probably would be next to [unpack] or inside [unpack]. Your insistence on changing [unpack] itself is what I cannot understand. My first thought was that [unpack]'s job is just to unpack, and that many typechecks in pd occur because of technical limitations that need not exist, or as optimisation tricks that aren't as optional as they could be - e.g. so far, [unpack]'s "p" takes more RAM, because handling "p" generally takes more RAM for anything that wants to handle it correctly. I didn't think much of [unpack] being used expressly for the purpose of typechecking. Interestingly, this sort of circumstance happens even with extremely underdeveloped type systems like Pd... 3 atom types (actually 7, but I won't count the 4 that only exist within messageboxes). DesireData is down to only 2 for now, but I'm still planning to go up to 4 (and not 5 as I was saying last year). Yet we're having the same issues with that few atom types as in languages in which there are dozens of types and ability for user-defined types and plenty of actual ubiquitous practice of using the user-defined types. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] default value for an abstraction's creation argument
nice. thanks for that one. Frank Barknecht wrote: > Arguments, that you > don't specify, get initialized as 0. So instead of [moses 1] you > could also use [select 0] and omit the [t b]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino+solenoid concert
straw + 300m of 32 SWG copper wire + iron nail + lots of patience = solenoid I used to make these as a kid, mini rail guns to fire nails :) You can rig up a slow spinning drill to help you wind them quicker. Watch they don't get too hot and melt the drinking straw. Resistance should be about 100 ohms. A good trick is to charge a 10,000 uF capacitor so you can get a hefty pulse of current. Otherwise... pinball machines, doorbells (the ding - dong type) If you don't mind high voltage types (I advise 12v types to be safe) then scrap dishwashers and washing machines can be mined for them. On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:16:59 +1000 naysayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i roman, > i was just revisiting this thread. could you tell me what solenoids > you used, i'm have a really hard time finding cheap domestic solenoids > for a similar project. they all seem to be really expensive. is there > a good place to purchase cheap solenoids, or somewhere to get second > hand ones. > > cheers. > > tom > > On 6/22/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:21 -0400, Alexandre Quessy wrote: > > > Hi! > > > I don't want to insist... but a task like this would be much easier > > > with the http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/SimpleMessageSystem > > > than with something not-as-flexible like Pduino. > > > > > > a > > > > yo, are talking about the task i described here: > > > > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051211.html > > > > i certainly will have a look at SMS as well... > > thank you for mentioning it. > > > > roman > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > > > > ___ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino+solenoid concert
I was just checking around Berlin last week, and none of the shops or mailorders that I usually use had any solenoids (Reichelt, Segor, Conrad...) Conrad says they stock them, but none of the branches here had any on the shelves. I don't think they are *that* common, actually. Suggestions for German mailorder supplier appreciated... d. Roman Haefeli wrote: > hi tom > > i bought them in an ordinary electronic store in my town for ca. 3 > euros/piece. but i don't know where they got them. they still have > around 1000 pieces, iirc. > i had the impression, that this solenoids are as ordinary things as > electro motors and resistors and thus should be available in ordinary > electronic stores. if it is really impossible for you to get some, i > could send you some (for the price of the solenoids and shipping cost). > > cheers > roman > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 13:16 +1000, naysayer wrote: >> i roman, >> i was just revisiting this thread. could you tell me what solenoids >> you used, i'm have a really hard time finding cheap domestic solenoids >> for a similar project. they all seem to be really expensive. is there >> a good place to purchase cheap solenoids, or somewhere to get second >> hand ones. >> >> cheers. >> >> tom >> >> On 6/22/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:21 -0400, Alexandre Quessy wrote: Hi! I don't want to insist... but a task like this would be much easier with the http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/SimpleMessageSystem than with something not-as-flexible like Pduino. a >>> yo, are talking about the task i described here: >>> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051211.html >>> >>> i certainly will have a look at SMS as well... >>> thank you for mentioning it. >>> >>> roman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> ___ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 144: "Simply a matter of work" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino+solenoid concert
hi tom i bought them in an ordinary electronic store in my town for ca. 3 euros/piece. but i don't know where they got them. they still have around 1000 pieces, iirc. i had the impression, that this solenoids are as ordinary things as electro motors and resistors and thus should be available in ordinary electronic stores. if it is really impossible for you to get some, i could send you some (for the price of the solenoids and shipping cost). cheers roman On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 13:16 +1000, naysayer wrote: > i roman, > i was just revisiting this thread. could you tell me what solenoids > you used, i'm have a really hard time finding cheap domestic solenoids > for a similar project. they all seem to be really expensive. is there > a good place to purchase cheap solenoids, or somewhere to get second > hand ones. > > cheers. > > tom > > On 6/22/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:21 -0400, Alexandre Quessy wrote: > > > Hi! > > > I don't want to insist... but a task like this would be much easier > > > with the http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/SimpleMessageSystem > > > than with something not-as-flexible like Pduino. > > > > > > a > > > > yo, are talking about the task i described here: > > > > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051211.html > > > > i certainly will have a look at SMS as well... > > thank you for mentioning it. > > > > roman > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > > > > ___ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio Analasys
lol I wish it were $f6/1 (hex dollars of course) On 7/23/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the thread of cryptic responses, I see ;-) So it's: [expr 6/$f1] d. IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: * [expr 6/f$1] >>> I always do this typo, ;) >> Sorry, but ? Did I put one too many zeros or something? >> > > 's|f\$|$f|g' -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 91: "Infinitesimal gradations" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio Analasys
This is the thread of cryptic responses, I see ;-) So it's: [expr 6/$f1] d. IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: * [expr 6/f$1] >>> I always do this typo, ;) >> Sorry, but ? Did I put one too many zeros or something? >> > > 's|f\$|$f|g' -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 91: "Infinitesimal gradations" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio Analasys
Derek Holzer wrote: > Hi Patrice, > > Patrice Colet wrote: >> Derek Holzer a écrit : >> >>> * [expr 6/f$1] >> I always do this typo, ;) > > Sorry, but ? Did I put one too many zeros or something? > 's|f\$|$f|g' mfg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio Analasys
Hi Patrice, Patrice Colet wrote: > Derek Holzer a écrit : > >> * [expr 6/f$1] > I always do this typo, ;) Sorry, but ? Did I put one too many zeros or something? d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 22: "Be less critical more often" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM installation OS 10.3.9 "how do I do it?"
Daniel Zajicek wrote: > I have downloaded PD, and have been trying to get GEM to work for most > of today. I have downloaded > Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4-macosx104-powerpc.dmg from Han's site > (http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html), but I continually get > errors saying: > > > iemabs: can't load library > iemmatrix: can't load library > liblist: can't load library > > pdp_text : severe error : could not load default font : no rendering !!! > pdp_qtext : severe error : could not load default font : no rendering !!! well, these are not errors related to installing Gem, are they? you are missing _other_ externals. > > In addition, I was unable to create objects, and instead pd would > create a box with a dashed line around it (is this a comment box?). this does not say much. it would be good ti know _which_ objects you want to create: for instance i repeatedly fail to create the object [flabbergast] but [pack] works just fine :-) > > So, thwarted by that, I downloaded Miller's most current version of pd > 40-2, and thought I might just put GEM on there myself, but I can't > figure out how to do it. This is my first time working with a program > like pd, and I could used some assistance either installing GEM, or > getting pd-extended to work. > > If it helps, I am running OS 10.3.9, on an G4 powerbook. there are loads of way to load a library and many of them are described in the Pd-manual (which is a good read anyhow). basically, just drop the Gem.pd_darwin into the extra/Gem folder (you probably want to create that folder) of your installation. this can be a bit tricky on os-x, as your os would like you to stay out of certain directories (and think they are really "applications") another solution is to put your Gem.pd_darwin wherever you like and add the path of it to pd's startup paths so it can find it when it searches for Gem. mfg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
