Hallo,
Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote:
[metro 1] creates a bang each millisecond, approximately. The message
rate is constrained by the block size, so you would want to put [metro
1] inside of a subpatch with [block~ 1] for best time resolution.
That's not true. Message
Hi,
in followup to the mail yesterday, I'm trying to use my Intuos3 with pd. But
apparently hid doesn't take data from the tablet. It recognises the hardware
and its data elements, but doesn't poll any data. Pressing all the options
in the help patch and screaming at it doesn't seem to help much.
Hallo,
Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote:
[polypoly] (note, no tilde)
Oops...
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Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
If an object doesn't have a visual representation, i.e. its not drawn
on a canvas, then it won't have a Tcl/Tk representation at all, so
the slow GUI stuff doesn't apply to things that aren't visible. That
hi
i was asking about creating an external on windows few weeks ago, here i
am again, now i have detailed info about the error the engineer from my
uni is getting. He says he is using microsoft dev estydio 6.0 and pd.lib
library to try to compile the hello world example. The source code is
altern wrote:
hi
i was asking about creating an external on windows few weeks ago, here i
am again, now i have detailed info about the error the engineer from my
uni is getting. He says he is using microsoft dev estydio 6.0 and pd.lib
library to try to compile the hello world example. The
On Dec 17, 2007 3:03 AM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote:
[metro 1] creates a bang each millisecond, approximately. The message
rate is constrained by the block size, so you would want to put [metro
1] inside of a subpatch
Hi all,
Charles Henry wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007 3:03 AM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote:
[metro 1] creates a bang each millisecond, approximately. The message
rate is constrained by the block size, so you would want to put
Hallo,
Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote:
Try it yourself with a phasor~-clone build from metro and vline~!
I see now. That works well up to 1000 Hz.
That's because [metro] is capped for periods smaller than 1 msec. If
you drive the vline~ phasor clone with a self-made metro
Derek Holzer wrote:
Hi all,
Charles Henry wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007 3:03 AM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote:
[metro 1] creates a bang each millisecond, approximately. The message
rate is constrained by the block size, so you
Thanks, Zen-Master Claudius. Your quantum revelations still leave me
wondering, however, what is the minimum time between two events which
can be scheduled?
I teach my students that the reason you can't send audio to message
(i.e. non-audio) objects is that message objects run slower. While
Derek Holzer wrote:
Thanks, Zen-Master Claudius. Your quantum revelations still leave me
wondering, however, what is the minimum time between two events which
can be scheduled?
[delay 0] works.
I teach my students that the reason you can't send audio to message
(i.e. non-audio) objects
On a closely related topic; Since Pd uses logical time why isn't there
a render mode Csound style, for those occasions where you don't actually
want to run in real time? Is it because blocking on unfinished output would
leave no way for an object to notify that it had finished the computation?
Of course there's render mode
downsample in pd patch- - render to file via sfwrite~ or othe object
-- upsample file with sndfile-convert or sound editor tool
should do the trick. Yes? At least to keep CPU limits from bottlenecking
your render.
d.
Andy Farnell wrote:
On a closely
Hi Claude,
OK, thanks for going into it a bit more. Makes sense to me, of course,
but I'll have to chew on it a while and think of a way to communicate it
without twisting up people's heads too much at too early a part of the
workshops ;-)
Still, it is an inherent part of PD that you keep
Derek Holzer wrote:
Of course there's render mode
downsample in pd patch- - render to file via sfwrite~ or othe object
-- upsample file with sndfile-convert or sound editor tool
should do the trick. Yes? At least to keep CPU limits from bottlenecking
your render.
d.
The problem
If you do something that interacts with reality, like sending something
through [comport] using [metro] to schedule it, you will find that the
actual messages show up on the serial connector on either side of the audio
blocks, so that the average timing over a lot of messages is exact but any
This is all fine and dandy.
But what about when they ask why they can't connect [osc~ 440] to [+ 1],
for example. Why won't PD let the connection get made? I.e., why can't
audio go to message objects?
d.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
OK,
Sorry, I read this now and it sounds idiotic! Of course, I know why (one
is programmed for DSP and one is not). But again, I thought the
difference was that message objects were calculated slower, ie. at block
boundaries, which in fact is the restriction of DSP objects! So now that
I've been
On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 19:58 +, Joao Miguel Pais wrote:
- I installed my rme hdsp pcmcia card on a friends OsX (don't know
now
which one, but I think the latest one), and also pd-ext (latest
stable
version). Audio worked, but there
Derek Holzer wrote:
So now that
I've been told that actually DSP objects are slower, it shakes up my
world view a bit, so I'm looking for new metaphors to get it back
together ;-)
all the slower vs faster is non-sense.
signals are handled in a _synchronous_ way (they have to process
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
You can get twice better worst case by using values ranging from -1 to +1
(because 1 is a power of two, so it lies at the boundary of a new precision
level)
There was also a mistake in saying that. It improves precision, but only
by a factor of
Regardless, it has already been determined that directly connecting to
Coreaudio (rather than using Jack as go-between) dramatically increases
CPU load of PD. Something to watch out for!
As far glitches, I have also only experienced this with internal
soundcard. Using the HDSP seems to work
Here's a patch that outputs the actual time of the bangs from a metro,
and also shows the phasor~ clone generated using vline~. You can see
that the actual time that the metro outputs is +/- 5ms (on my system),
but the phasor has a constant period anyways! Craziness.
So if I wanted to use PD to
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 18:00 +0100, Derek Holzer wrote:
Regardless, it has already been determined that directly connecting to
Coreaudio (rather than using Jack as go-between) dramatically increases
CPU load of PD. Something to watch out for!
pd is using portaudio's pablio to connect to
I don't know if you fell into the same trap as me Derek (because it confused
the heck out of me for ages), but if you've come from Csound, which is a true
multi-rate system it's easy to see messages the wrong way. On one hand
theres a useful analogy between Csound k-rate signals and the Pd
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Though, even in Pd, GUI messages are treated special: If you click on
a [bang( message, this will only be evaluated every 64 samples. But
you probably cannot click the mouse repeatedly with a constant 1 msec
period anyways, so it shouldn't matter.
The patch is the same in NOGUI or without, so the more objects there are
the more processing it takes to open the patch, then more objects there
are the more overhead of them communicating...
Still lots of the GUI (logic) code is in C, and only the drawing in TK.
no gui means the tk part don't
Wacom doesn't use the HID API on Mac OS X, so wacom tablets won't
work with [hid] on Mac OS X. They do work on GNU/Linux.
.hc
On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Joao Miguel Pais wrote:
Hi,
in followup to the mail yesterday, I'm trying to use my Intuos3
with pd. But apparently hid doesn't
Can anyone explain me what a stack overflow error is (at least what it means
in Pd) and what I can do about it?! Thank you
Hi David,
Funny, I just posted a good example of stack overflow, the typical counter:
[f]X[+ 1]
where [+ 1] gets sent to the hot rather than the cold inlet of [f].
Because computers are dumb animals, they will try to do exactly what you
tell them to without any regards to whether it's
Usually it means you are recursively calling a function (although not
always), and it has pushed so many return addresses on the stack, that the
stack buffer overflows. The stack is used by the processor to store
addresses when it makes function calls, so that it can mark where to return
to when
Miller Puckette wrote:
If I'm doing it right, single precision float should be able to represent
latitude and longitude to within about two meters.
yes, a precision of 2m is just not enough for showing buildings or streets.
If more precision than that is needed, you'll want to use tr to
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:08:20 +0100
Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sending a bang message to the [until] object, created without an
argument saying how many times the bang should be done, will give
roughly the same effect--
If only!
Objects that overflow the stack cause an exception,
The stack is a block of memory that is reserved by the cpu for saving the
location of the next instruction to execute and register contents before
jumping to a subroutine or interrupt handler.
It is also used to save the parameters of a function call.
When the subroutine is completed the program
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 07:42:44PM +, Andy Farnell wrote:
I know we like to pretend this is feature, but isn't it time to treat it
as a bug?
on one hand it is not a bug, as pd is a progarmming languge, like
for(;;); is not a bug, it's a feature as well as while(); so ..
but havind a simple
Andy Farnell wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:08:20 +0100
Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sending a bang message to the [until] object, created without an
argument saying how many times the bang should be done, will give
roughly the same effect--
If only!
Objects that overflow
On Dec 17, 2007 1:42 PM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know we like to pretend this is feature, but isn't it time to treat it
as a bug?
It is only a bug if you mispatch things... otherwise, it works...
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for now, I am ok with a precision of 1cm.
but what is highest positive integer number I can represent with the
current pd float precision? 16bit? 32.767? (btw., would be nice to have
this information in the float/number helppatch)
that would only give me a precision of around 3.4 meters...
ilya .d wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 07:42:44PM +, Andy Farnell wrote:
I know we like to pretend this is feature, but isn't it time to treat it
as a bug?
but havind a simple C progarmm in for(;;) doesn't cause much trouble,
SIGINT usualy kills it ..
Pd is _is_ a simple C programm,
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 19:44 +, Martin Peach wrote:
In pd it usually means you have a loop somewhere, so that the output of an
object is feeding its own input: each time a new output is calculated a new
input is generated, so the process never ends and eventually the stack
overflows.
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 21:45 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
ilya .d wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 07:42:44PM +, Andy Farnell wrote:
I know we like to pretend this is feature, but isn't it time to treat it
as a bug?
but havind a simple C progarmm in for(;;) doesn't cause much
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Peach wrote:
The cpu signals an overflow whenever the stack space runs out (the program
tries to access the stack beyond its boundaries)
With Pd, this is never what happens on its own. Instead, just before
processing each message, a check of the count of nested
Hi list, I'm trying to make an interactive video with pure data (with pdp)
but I'm new to this and i need a little hint.
I want to make one video start as soon as one finishes and I'm using *select
number_of_frames *(not sure this is the best way)* *to send the signal
to another object to play
hi.
i put this back to the pd-list.
i guess (and hope) it was only by accident to you answered me in private.
Andy Farnell wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:05 +0100
IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy Farnell wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:08:20 +0100
Derek Holzer [EMAIL
On Dec 17, 2007 11:15 PM, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Peach wrote:
The cpu signals an overflow whenever the stack space runs out (the program
tries to access the stack beyond its boundaries)
With Pd, this is never what happens on its own. Instead,
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 11:03 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 19:58 +, Joao Miguel Pais wrote:
- I installed my rme hdsp pcmcia card on a friends OsX (don't know
now
which one, but I think the latest one),
Great . Thank you I'll take a look at it.
Jim
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 05:24 +0100, Patrice Colet wrote:
Hello,
I've made another external for generating keystrokes on win32, it still
uses the same process but has a different name, and it's documented.
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Peach wrote:
The cpu signals an overflow whenever the stack space runs out (the program
tries to access the stack beyond its boundaries)
With Pd, this is never what happens on its own. Instead, just before
processing each message, a check of
Hallo,
Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
Sorry, I read this now and it sounds idiotic! Of course, I know why (one
is programmed for DSP and one is not). But again, I thought the
difference was that message objects were calculated slower, ie. at block
boundaries, which in fact
Uh oh! There goes my Christmas weekend!
d.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:
Sorry, I read this now and it sounds idiotic! Of course, I know why (one
is programmed for DSP and one is not). But again, I thought the
difference was that message
Hallo,
Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote:
The second thing, people need to learn then is, that most signal objects
can only be scheduled on block boundaries. So if you send a new
frequency to an [osc~] as a float message, the
On Dec 17, 2007 9:20 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
BTW, I like how I can turn on [pix_write] and [writesf~] and have
everything work in logical time (with very many dropouts) and the final
video be in perfect sync with the sound. Using [gemhead] for sequencing
the audio
You have a few options:
once in purepd
onebang in cyclone
oneshot in markex
.hc
On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Branislav Nakic wrote:
Hi list, I'm trying to make an interactive video with pure data
(with pdp) but I'm new to this and i need a little hint.
I want to make one video start as
Thanks for all the answers. The first ones were a lot of help, and
although it seemed to me that you were all talking in tongues after
that, it sure sounds interesting.
I checked out the tcpclient code by martin peach. The thread solution
could be useful, but i also spotted something else:
x-workshops: [in]tolerance
29 Janaury - 2 February 2008
Club Transmediale
Ballhaus Naunynstrasse, Berlin
x-workshops: [in]tolerance presents a series of constructivist
workshops specially programmed for the ClubTransmediale 2008 festival,
emphasising making and connection within the field
Hi all,Does anyone (hans?) know if Tk has a widget that will accept dropped
files from the OS? I'd be happy to look into adding it to the library if
anyone thinks it's possible (and points me in a general direction).
It would be really great to be able to drag a wav file onto my sampler to
load
Hello list~
I'm kind of embarrassed, but I really want to learn how to use vline~
effectively. The help file isn't clear on my problem, and I haven't
found any reference to it in my Pd folder.
If I want to send a message with multiple ramps in a single message,
i.e. [1 1000, 0 0 1000, 1 1000
Luke Iannini (pd) a écrit :
Hi all,
Does anyone (hans?) know if Tk has a widget that will accept dropped
files from the OS? I'd be happy to look into adding it to the library
if anyone thinks it's possible (and points me in a general direction).
It would be really great to be able to
or just:
[bang(
|
[spigot]
|
[t b b]
|\
| [0 (
|
[outlet]
and then connect the [0 ( to the right inlet of the spigot. to reset,
send a [1 ( to the spigot
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How would I
for example make a vline~ message that said to start at 0, go to 1 in
1000 ms, go to .5 in 500 ms, and then back to zero in 750 ms?
[0, 1 1000, 0.5 500 1000, 0 750 1500(
all third digit offsets are from the initial bang, not from when the
last ramp has ended.
you have to do the maths
i'd love this if you built it!
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first digit = value to ramp to
second digit = ramp time in ms
third digit = offset from the time when the message box was banged
in your example, [1 1000, 0 0 1000, 1 1000 1000(, it will ramp up to 1
in 1000ms, then down to 0 in 0ms, then back up to 1 in 1000ms.
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