Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Issue opened.

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On 8/11/2017 7:41 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Please open an issue on GH as I can't quite follow what's going on any more. 
Include steps taken, whats was expected to happen, what actually happened, etc.

On Aug 12, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Lucas Cordiviola 
mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


Closing & opening the browser does not reflect the new external added.

ctl+shift+r seems to refresh the browser (if more than 1 column is opened it 
collapses to 1 column).

eventually doing menu file/pref/path and hit cancel, next opening of browser 
reflect the new external.


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On 8/11/2017 7:03 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:

On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Lucas Cordiviola 
mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, I'm sure.

ctl+shift+r also can't get the update

Strange. It works fine on macOS. For the key binding to work, the browser has 
to be open and in focus to receive the key bindings. It may not work on Windows 
as the existing global keybinding and/or menu accelerator might mask it. Not a 
huge deal as it's not really documented and I left it in as an extra.

But if i open the menu file/pref/path and hit OK the new path show-up on the 
browser.

That is the main addition as the browser did not do this previously.

As before, you can simply close the window (x out) and reopen it which 
reindexes things. The MOD+W key binding however does *not* destroy the window 
but simply hides it, so the list is not re-indexed. This was previous behavior.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

Please open an issue on GH as I can't quite follow what's going on any more. 
Include steps taken, whats was expected to happen, what actually happened, etc.

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> 
> Closing & opening the browser does not reflect the new external added.
> 
> ctl+shift+r seems to refresh the browser (if more than 1 column is opened it 
> collapses to 1 column).
> 
> eventually doing menu file/pref/path and hit cancel, next opening of browser 
> reflect the new external.
> 
> 
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> On 8/11/2017 7:03 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Lucas Cordiviola >> > wrote:
>>> Yes, I'm sure.
>>> 
>>> ctl+shift+r also can't get the update
>>> 
>> Strange. It works fine on macOS. For the key binding to work, the browser 
>> has to be open and in focus to receive the key bindings. It may not work on 
>> Windows as the existing global keybinding and/or menu accelerator might mask 
>> it. Not a huge deal as it's not really documented and I left it in as an 
>> extra.
>>> But if i open the menu file/pref/path and hit OK the new path show-up on 
>>> the browser.
>>> 
>> That is the main addition as the browser did not do this previously.
>> 
>> As before, you can simply close the window (x out) and reopen it which 
>> reindexes things. The MOD+W key binding however does *not* destroy the 
>> window but simply hides it, so the list is not re-indexed. This was previous 
>> behavior.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika 
>> danomatika.com 
>> robotcowboy.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Closing & opening the browser does not reflect the new external added.

ctl+shift+r seems to refresh the browser (if more than 1 column is opened it 
collapses to 1 column).

eventually doing menu file/pref/path and hit cancel, next opening of browser 
reflect the new external.


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On 8/11/2017 7:03 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:

On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Lucas Cordiviola 
mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, I'm sure.

ctl+shift+r also can't get the update

Strange. It works fine on macOS. For the key binding to work, the browser has 
to be open and in focus to receive the key bindings. It may not work on Windows 
as the existing global keybinding and/or menu accelerator might mask it. Not a 
huge deal as it's not really documented and I left it in as an extra.

But if i open the menu file/pref/path and hit OK the new path show-up on the 
browser.

That is the main addition as the browser did not do this previously.

As before, you can simply close the window (x out) and reopen it which 
reindexes things. The MOD+W key binding however does *not* destroy the window 
but simply hides it, so the list is not re-indexed. This was previous behavior.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> Yes, I'm sure.
> 
> ctl+shift+r also can't get the update
> 
Strange. It works fine on macOS. For the key binding to work, the browser has 
to be open and in focus to receive the key bindings. It may not work on Windows 
as the existing global keybinding and/or menu accelerator might mask it. Not a 
huge deal as it's not really documented and I left it in as an extra.
> But if i open the menu file/pref/path and hit OK the new path show-up on the 
> browser.
> 
That is the main addition as the browser did not do this previously.

As before, you can simply close the window (x out) and reopen it which 
reindexes things. The MOD+W key binding however does *not* destroy the window 
but simply hides it, so the list is not re-indexed. This was previous behavior.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Yes, I'm sure.

ctl+shift+r also can't get the update.

But if i open the menu file/pref/path and hit OK the new path show-up on the 
browser.

tested on win8.1 & win10.

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On 8/11/2017 5:30 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Are you sure? I added an explicit browser refresh mechanism when changing paths 
and hitting ok in the Path dialog. You can also trigger by pressing MOD+Shift+R 
with the browser in focus.

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w32 seems good.

[pd~] is Ok.

All the new documents/pd thing seems fine. New paths adds correctly,
only a very *minor issue* is that they don't reflect on the browser
until next restart, but not restarting they appear on the "externals"
sub-dir.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Miller Puckette]

True... and also, I don't understand the issues involved... a fragile state
of affairs that I haven't had time to try to attend to.

Miller

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:34:29AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> To be fair, changes were made after feedback was asked for but not given. A 
> lot of time was put into balancing the issues but we sometimes have to guess 
> what you might actually want.
> 
> > On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:18 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> >  it appears that when I try to make changes to the GUI code it upsets people
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

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> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:30 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> what is the "Forget all" for preferences supposed to do? Reset Pd to
> first install state?

You're only half right.

There are *two* preferences:

* core preferences: paths, libs, audio devs, startup flags
* GUI-only preferences

Forget all... clears the core preferences only.

> If so I would assume when I "forget all" I would get
> the "Would you like to create a folder in ~/Documents/Pd?" dialog but
> instead if I "Forget all..." and $ rm ~/Documents/Pd I get:
> 
> Pd documents directory cannot be found:
> /Users/megrimm/Documents/Pd
> Choose a new location?

Your assumption is wrong. You did not clear the GUI preferences and the 
pd_docsdir plugin checks if the previous path exists. In your case it does not 
so it falls back by letting you know it doesn't exist and let's you choose/make 
a new one.

> Should it not just reset to initial  "Would you like to create a folder in
> ~/Documents/Pd?" ?

No, because, again, the docspath is still set in the GUI preferences. If you 
want to do a full purge, you need to clear the GUI preferences as well. On 
macOS, use:

defaults delete org.puredata.pd.pd-gui

Sorry if this sounds like "You're doing it wrong" but this release now has this 
split preferences system and I used the GUI prefs for the docspath as it's 
really a GUI-only setting.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[me.grimm]

hello,

on mac osx 10.12

what is the "Forget all" for preferences supposed to do? Reset Pd to
first install state? If so I would assume when I "forget all" I would get
the "Would you like to create a folder in ~/Documents/Pd?" dialog but
instead if I "Forget all..." and $ rm ~/Documents/Pd I get:

Pd documents directory cannot be found:
/Users/megrimm/Documents/Pd
Choose a new location?

Should it not just reset to initial  "Would you like to create a folder in
~/Documents/Pd?" ?

cheers
m

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Roman Haefeli  wrote:

> On Mit, 2017-08-09 at 20:47 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> > Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.h
> > tm
> > or via git from github:
> >   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git
> >
> > Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and
> > on
> > Microsoft windows (i386 only).
>
>
> Sorry for the noise, but I need to express my joy about some jewels I
> only discovered now:
>   * [list store]
>   * [clear( -> [delwrite~]
>   * [fudiparse], [fudiformat]
>
> Definitely an exciting release!
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Roman Haefeli]

On Mit, 2017-08-09 at 20:47 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.h
> tm
> or via git from github:
>   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git
> 
> Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and
> on
> Microsoft windows (i386 only).


Sorry for the noise, but I need to express my joy about some jewels I
only discovered now: 
  * [list store]
  * [clear( -> [delwrite~]
  * [fudiparse], [fudiformat]

Definitely an exciting release!

Roman

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Roman Haefeli]

Thanks for the heads-up.

On Fre, 2017-08-11 at 12:03 +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> If we had a weekend, a few people, and enough different systems, we
> could probably find a solution.
> 
> In my thinking, I'm kind of pushing things in steps:
> 
> 1. make pd easier to build on platforms and in the same way
> 2. have the same font on all platforms

macOS and Linux are on the same page now, aren't they?

> 3. introduce the extended sizing (and probably tweak)
> 
> We're still working on Step 1 as the auto tools build is not working
> yet on Windows. I will probably get to that next at some point. I
> already have plans laid out for Step 2, but this relies on Step 1
> working, etc. Having Step 1 means we can much more easily spread out
> the testing and tweaking to other people.

OK, cool. I hope to be part of the thourough-testing-department.

> At the very least, it seems like Tk 8.4 is out on macOS 10.13 so it's
> a good thing I did the work to update Pd for Tk 8.5 on Mac, even if
> it does introduce a few wrinkles.

Really great work! Thanks.

Roman

> > On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Roman Haefeli 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hm, I tested the numbers already in that I took care of getting the
> > same box sizes for font size 10 on every platform as before (and
> > between platforms). If there are more tests required to not break
> > anything, I'm happy to test and report back.
> > 
> > I understand you're in a total different position than me and
> > probably
> > feel much more responsibility on your shoulders and thus I
> > understand
> > your reluctance. I don't have the skills to fix the issue the
> > "clean"
> > way, but I'm willing to invest some resources in this - presumably
> > bytesting things - and I have access to Ubuntu 16.04, macOS 10.11
> > to
> > 10.12 and Windows 10. If that can help in anyway, I'd be glad.
> > 
> > Roman
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika
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> 
> 
> 

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

If we had a weekend, a few people, and enough different systems, we could 
probably find a solution.

In my thinking, I'm kind of pushing things in steps:

1. make pd easier to build on platforms and in the same way
2. have the same font on all platforms
3. introduce the extended sizing (and probably tweak)

We're still working on Step 1 as the auto tools build is not working yet on 
Windows. I will probably get to that next at some point. I already have plans 
laid out for Step 2, but this relies on Step 1 working, etc. Having Step 1 
means we can much more easily spread out the testing and tweaking to other 
people.

At the very least, it seems like Tk 8.4 is out on macOS 10.13 so it's a good 
thing I did the work to update Pd for Tk 8.5 on Mac, even if it does introduce 
a few wrinkles.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Roman Haefeli  wrote:
> 
> Hm, I tested the numbers already in that I took care of getting the
> same box sizes for font size 10 on every platform as before (and
> between platforms). If there are more tests required to not break
> anything, I'm happy to test and report back.
> 
> I understand you're in a total different position than me and probably
> feel much more responsibility on your shoulders and thus I understand
> your reluctance. I don't have the skills to fix the issue the "clean"
> way, but I'm willing to invest some resources in this - presumably
> bytesting things - and I have access to Ubuntu 16.04, macOS 10.11 to
> 10.12 and Windows 10. If that can help in anyway, I'd be glad.
> 
> Roman


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fre, 2017-08-11 at 10:46 +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > 
> > On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:31 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > TLDR:
> > 
> > This would keep box sizes of Pd <= 0.47:
> > "7 12" on Linux and Mac 
> > "7 13" on Windows 
> This is more likely related to platform margins and with the newer
> version of Tk, the metrics might be slightly different. Also, the
> zoom font sizing change may have lead to this as well.
> 
> The Pd extended styling adjusted the margins in slightly different
> ways to account for this and I've started a PR start experiment with
> porting over these tweaks: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pul
> l/162
> 
> > If this can't be adjusted, it would be good to know if the _new_
> > box
> > sizes will be the canonical sizes.
> Was there a canonical size before?

Up until Pd 0.47 on macOS and up to somewhere between 0.46 and 0.47 on
Linux, box sizes have been somewhat consistent, as far as I remember.
At least non of my patches broke. On Windows, it was more of a gamble,
it was not the same with every release and box sizing is dependent on
whether you have "DejaVu Sans Mono" installed. 


>  We don't even have the same font on all platforms yet. I wouldn't
> plan on pixel perfect sizing yet...

I do not plan on it, but trying my best make the current situation at
least not worse.

> It's way more than changing just the numbers in pd-gui.tcl and making
> per-platform metric numbers is probably a hack at best and headache
> at worst. In either case, IMO it's a lot of work and testing and thus
> may not happen *right now*.

Hm, I tested the numbers already in that I took care of getting the
same box sizes for font size 10 on every platform as before (and
between platforms). If there are more tests required to not break
anything, I'm happy to test and report back.

I understand you're in a total different position than me and probably
feel much more responsibility on your shoulders and thus I understand
your reluctance. I don't have the skills to fix the issue the "clean"
way, but I'm willing to invest some resources in this - presumably
bytesting things - and I have access to Ubuntu 16.04, macOS 10.11 to
10.12 and Windows 10. If that can help in anyway, I'd be glad.

Roman









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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fre, 2017-08-11 at 10:54 +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Actually, one thing to try might be to re-enable forcing the Tk
> scaling value. It's commented out in pd-gui.tcl.

Tk scaling seems to affect only:
 * Log-font in the Pd main window
 * Labels of iemguis
 * "Audio on/off" in the Pd main window

but not:
 * font size in objects, messages, float- and symbolatoms
 * box sizes of any of the above
 * Appearance of any dialogs

So: No, tk scaling doesn't help here.

Roman

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

Actually, one thing to try might be to re-enable forcing the Tk scaling value. 
It's commented out in pd-gui.tcl.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:31 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> TLDR:
>> 
>> This would keep box sizes of Pd <= 0.47:
>> "7 12" on Linux and Mac 
>> "7 13" on Windows 
> 
> This is more likely related to platform margins and with the newer version of 
> Tk, the metrics might be slightly different. Also, the zoom font sizing 
> change may have lead to this as well.
> 
> The Pd extended styling adjusted the margins in slightly different ways to 
> account for this and I've started a PR start experiment with porting over 
> these tweaks: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/162 
> 
>> If this can't be adjusted, it would be good to know if the _new_ box
>> sizes will be the canonical sizes.
> 
> Was there a canonical size before? We don't even have the same font on all 
> platforms yet. I wouldn't plan on pixel perfect sizing yet...
> 
> It's way more than changing just the numbers in pd-gui.tcl and making 
> per-platform metric numbers is probably a hack at best and headache at worst. 
> In either case, IMO it's a lot of work and testing and thus may not happen 
> *right now*.
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com 
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> 
> 
> 


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

> 
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:31 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> TLDR:
> 
> This would keep box sizes of Pd <= 0.47:
> "7 12" on Linux and Mac 
> "7 13" on Windows 

This is more likely related to platform margins and with the newer version of 
Tk, the metrics might be slightly different. Also, the zoom font sizing change 
may have lead to this as well.

The Pd extended styling adjusted the margins in slightly different ways to 
account for this and I've started a PR start experiment with porting over these 
tweaks: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/162 

> If this can't be adjusted, it would be good to know if the _new_ box
> sizes will be the canonical sizes.

Was there a canonical size before? We don't even have the same font on all 
platforms yet. I wouldn't plan on pixel perfect sizing yet...

It's way more than changing just the numbers in pd-gui.tcl and making 
per-platform metric numbers is probably a hack at best and headache at worst. 
In either case, IMO it's a lot of work and testing and thus may not happen 
*right now*.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

To be fair, changes were made after feedback was asked for but not given. A lot 
of time was put into balancing the issues but we sometimes have to guess what 
you might actually want.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:18 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
>  it appears that when I try to make changes to the GUI code it upsets people


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

Nope. I have little time for further Pd work right now.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 5:46 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:44:50 -0300
> From: Alexandre Torres Porres mailto:por...@gmail.com>>
> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> Cc: pd list mailto:pd-l...@iem.at>>
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> 2017-08-10 21:18 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette  <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>:
> 
>> unless someone else can figure this out I'll just release it in its
>> current almost-working state.
> 
> Seems Dan was on it, huh?


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Dan Wilcox]

Are you sure? I added an explicit browser refresh mechanism when changing paths 
and hitting ok in the Path dialog. You can also trigger by pressing MOD+Shift+R 
with the browser in focus.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 5:46 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 01:31:45 +
> From: Lucas Cordiviola mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>>
> To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" 
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> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7
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> 
> w32 seems good.
> 
> [pd~] is Ok.
> 
> All the new documents/pd thing seems fine. New paths adds correctly, 
> only a very *minor issue* is that they don't reflect on the browser 
> until next restart, but not restarting they appear on the "externals" 
> sub-dir.


Dan Wilcox
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Roman Haefeli]

Hey all

The Mac app not only looks very good now, it looks pretty similar to
the Linux version. Dan, Miller: your work is much appreciated! I think
your improvements in the preference dialogs and the help browser are
valuable.

There is something bugging with very recent versions of the Mac App.
The same happened on the Mac (probably due to switch of Tk version) as
has happened before on Linux: The box size for font-size 10 suddenly
increased. This breaks some patches, namely those that fit a symbolatom
into a GOP area in that the symbolatom disappears on the parent because
it is overlapping the GOP area.

Changing the font metric for font size 10 from:

 7 13

to:

  7 12

would fix the issue, so that patches created on Pd-0.47 and earlier on
Mac and Linux still look the same in Pd-0.48. However, 7 12 looks
pretty bad on Windows (box size becomes too small).

"7 13" on Windows gives same boxsize as "7 12" on Mac and Linux.

This assuming the font "DejaVu Sans Mono" is not installed. If "DejaVu
Sans Mono" is installed on Windows, the resulting box size for font-
size=10 is far larger, even with "7 12". 

TLDR:

This would keep box sizes of Pd <= 0.47:
"7 12" on Linux and Mac 
"7 13" on Windows 
 
If this can't be adjusted, it would be good to know if the _new_ box
sizes will be the canonical sizes.

Roman

On Mit, 2017-08-09 at 20:47 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.h
> tm
> or via git from github:
>   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git
> 
> Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and
> on
> Microsoft windows (i386 only).

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

cool, I also made a comment about it on the pull request, so if you accept
my documentation fix, you can also sort this other issue out.

I also fixed some typos, using *"* instead of *``  - *please check my last
pull requests at https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pulls for these
things, they're all minor cosmetic fixes like that, plus this documentation
fix.

After the release, I'd like to propose other documentation fixes, in which
we should better discuss and sort it out first, as an outcome of long
discussions we've been having.

cheers

2017-08-11 0:34 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :

> Yes - Pd looks in the directory of the patch whether or not '.' is
> specified.
> Adding '.' makes Pd look in the current directory of teh Pd process.  I
> believe
> this only makes sense if Pd is launched from the command line or a shell
> script or a Windows "shortcut".
>
> Using "." in this way is almost always confising - perhaps the best thing
> to
> say about it is that it's useful for back compatibilty only.
> means
>
> cheers
> Miller
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:44:50PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > 2017-08-10 21:18 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :
> >
> > > unless someone else can figure this out I'll just release it in its
> > > current almost-working state.
> > >
> >
> > Seems Dan was on it, huh?
> >
> > Anyway, I'm also proposing some changes to the manual.
> >
> > It was originally saying Pd does not use the "Path" mechanism to search
> for
> > files and externals when you use a slash declaration: "/" - such as
> > "../sounds/sample1.wav" or "../cyclone/cycle~"
> > But it actually does use the Path, so I changed it.
> >
> > I'm also not sure about this bit:
> >
> > *Pd does not automatically look in the current directory however; to
> enable
> > that, include "."*
> >
> > This seems to be wrong, as Pd will automatically look in the current
> > directory regardless if you are including "." or not
> >
> >
> > right?
> >
> >
> > cheers
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Miller Puckette]

Yes - Pd looks in the directory of the patch whether or not '.' is specified.
Adding '.' makes Pd look in the current directory of teh Pd process.  I believe
this only makes sense if Pd is launched from the command line or a shell
script or a Windows "shortcut".

Using "." in this way is almost always confising - perhaps the best thing to
say about it is that it's useful for back compatibilty only.
means 

cheers
Miller
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:44:50PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> 2017-08-10 21:18 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :
> 
> > unless someone else can figure this out I'll just release it in its
> > current almost-working state.
> >
> 
> Seems Dan was on it, huh?
> 
> Anyway, I'm also proposing some changes to the manual.
> 
> It was originally saying Pd does not use the "Path" mechanism to search for
> files and externals when you use a slash declaration: "/" - such as
> "../sounds/sample1.wav" or "../cyclone/cycle~"
> But it actually does use the Path, so I changed it.
> 
> I'm also not sure about this bit:
> 
> *Pd does not automatically look in the current directory however; to enable
> that, include "."*
> 
> This seems to be wrong, as Pd will automatically look in the current
> directory regardless if you are including "." or not
> 
> 
> right?
> 
> 
> cheers

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2017-08-10 21:18 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :

> unless someone else can figure this out I'll just release it in its
> current almost-working state.
>

Seems Dan was on it, huh?

Anyway, I'm also proposing some changes to the manual.

It was originally saying Pd does not use the "Path" mechanism to search for
files and externals when you use a slash declaration: "/" - such as
"../sounds/sample1.wav" or "../cyclone/cycle~"
But it actually does use the Path, so I changed it.

I'm also not sure about this bit:

*Pd does not automatically look in the current directory however; to enable
that, include "."*

This seems to be wrong, as Pd will automatically look in the current
directory regardless if you are including "." or not


right?


cheers
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Lucas Cordiviola]

w32 seems good.

[pd~] is Ok.

All the new documents/pd thing seems fine. New paths adds correctly, 
only a very *minor issue* is that they don't reflect on the browser 
until next restart, but not restarting they appear on the "externals" 
sub-dir.

I`ll be doing some more tests & report if i find troubles.

Thanx!

Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.

On 8/10/2017 12:47 AM, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> or via git from github:
>git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git
>
> Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and on
> Microsoft windows (i386 only).
>
> cheers
> Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Miller Puckette]

I have the problem too (64 bit Mac version - it seems to work on the 32-bit
version just fine).  I don't know how to fix this and it appears that when I
try to make changes to the GUI code it upsets people - so unless someone
else can figure this out I'll just release it in its current almost-working
state.

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:24:58AM +0200, Simon Iten wrote:
> just here to confirm this.
> 
> 
> > On 10 Aug 2017, at 16:04, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:
> > 
> > All seems fine, expect that bug I've been calling out since test5, where 
> > deken can't highlight the libs for mac. So just reminding it's an important 
> > fix before the final release. BTW, what's the plan for the stable release?
> > 
> > cheers
> > 
> > 2017-08-10 0:47 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette  > >:
> > Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm 
> > 
> > or via git from github:
> >   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git 
> > 
> > 
> > Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and on
> > Microsoft windows (i386 only).
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Simon Iten]

just here to confirm this.


> On 10 Aug 2017, at 16:04, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:
> 
> All seems fine, expect that bug I've been calling out since test5, where 
> deken can't highlight the libs for mac. So just reminding it's an important 
> fix before the final release. BTW, what's the plan for the stable release?
> 
> cheers
> 
> 2017-08-10 0:47 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette  >:
> Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm 
> 
> or via git from github:
>   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git 
> 
> 
> Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and on
> Microsoft windows (i386 only).
> 
> cheers
> Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

All seems fine, expect that bug I've been calling out since test5, where
deken can't highlight the libs for mac. So just reminding it's an important
fix before the final release. BTW, what's the plan for the stable release?

cheers

2017-08-10 0:47 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :

> Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> or via git from github:
>   git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git
>
> Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and on
> Microsoft windows (i386 only).
>
> cheers
> Miller
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.48-0test7

[Miller Puckette]

Pd version 0.48-0test7 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
or via git from github:
  git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git

Building now for MAC OSX on three architectures (PPC, i386, ia64) and on
Microsoft windows (i386 only).

cheers
Miller

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