Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Powers of state has a much richer history than media when it comes to altering images. :-) I think it's quite interesting that we're all raging about media *now* doing what propaganda machines of many societies, capitalist, religious and communist all alike, have done for maybe a century already.

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Dario Bonazza
AlunFoto wrote: Powers of state has a much richer history than media when it comes to altering images. :-) I think it's quite interesting that we're all raging about media *now* doing what propaganda machines of many societies, capitalist, religious and communist all alike, have done for

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Yep, that's mankind although it's not photography. Photography is special, though, having been toted as representing the objective truth independent of the rulers. The fourth power of state, and the whole genere of documentary photography, relies on its credibility. As does photographic evidence

Re: PESOs: From many yesterdays ago

2008-07-13 Thread David J Brooks
Both are very good Paul, and the scans look nice to. Time sure flies, does'nt it Dave On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm organizing some of my half a million BW negatives. Right now, I'm concentrating on pulling the pics of my kids. I'm scanning them on the Epson

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Dario Bonazza
AlunFoto wrote: Yep, that's mankind although it's not photography. Photography is special, though, having been toted as representing the objective truth independent of the rulers. The fourth power of state, and the whole genere of documentary photography, relies on its credibility. As does

America and China

2008-07-13 Thread Derby Chang
Wow, Just read through the first three parts of this series. I stumbled on it through Alec Soth's photographs (one of my favourite Magnum shooters). The thoughtful, non-judgemental writing is superb as well. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main.jhtml?xml=/portal/2008/06/28/sm_america28.xml

Re: Enablement!

2008-07-13 Thread Cory Waters
Beaker wrote: BTW, the portrait of the little girl is a stunner. Oh- and when you buy a cassette deck, make sure it has a db meter. Because it's better than a VU meter. This from a salesman talking to an audio engineer. My friend, the engineer, was duly impressed. He didn't buy the

Re: Enablement!

2008-07-13 Thread Cory Waters
Cotty wrote: On 12/7/08, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: I have joined the Dark Side: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#330153850_t3FLR-A-LB Now, what do the others who have preceded me have in the way of wisdom for me in his transition period? I *knew*

PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
In the flurry of PESOs from our Runde trip, I forgot to post any of the shots from day 2. Instead of posting single photos I've made a more comprehensive field-day report in my blog. There are 6 images, my personal favourite is #5. Of the trio there, the two birds on the left were quite

Re: PESOs: From many yesterdays ago

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
What treasures! Renews my hope that today's electronic impulse images will last for awhile and there will be equipment on which to reproduce them. Nicely rendered. Jack --- On Sat, 7/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESOs:

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Interesting interplay! Well exposed and nicely rendered group. Makes me want to see larger images, however. Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESOs - Fulmars To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, July

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/7/13 Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting interplay! Well exposed and nicely rendered group. Makes me want to see larger images, however. Did you click on the images, Jack? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESOs: From many yesterdays ago

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Dave. Yeah, it seems like just the other day. Paul -- Original message -- From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both are very good Paul, and the scans look nice to. Time sure flies, does'nt it Dave On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:02 PM, [EMAIL

Re: PESOs: From many yesterdays ago

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Jack. -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] What treasures! Renews my hope that today's electronic impulse images will last for awhile and there will be equipment on which to reproduce them. Nicely rendered. Jack --- On Sat,

Re: America and China

2008-07-13 Thread SJ
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:12:01 +1000 Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, Just read through the first three parts of this series. I stumbled on it through Alec Soth's photographs (one of my favourite Magnum shooters). The thoughtful, non-judgemental writing is superb as well.

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
To frame the question is often to control the answer. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Yep, that's mankind although it's not photography. Photography is special, though, having been toted as representing the objective

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jostien, Those are marvelous photos - like a National Geographic TV special. Great detail in all of these. I love how the turning bird is looking down in #1 The Grooming Fulmars in #2 make a heart ;-) The behavior displayed in #3 is tender Moving Out, #4 has very effective motion blur in the wings

RE: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread Bob W
Very good essay - thanks. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AlunFoto Sent: 13 July 2008 13:59 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESOs - Fulmars In the flurry of PESOs from our Runde trip, I forgot to post any of the shots

RE: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Bob W
I'm very much with you here. Unfortunately, it looks like people are paying less and less attention to what the power does for manipulating the public opinion and getting wider consensus. That's a strong trend to totalitarism under a thin democratic mask, and I hate it. That's

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote: Here in the UK we are always provided with full, impartial evidence by whichever government is in power. [...] Doesn't your tongue get cramps, what with being that firmly planted in your cheek, and all. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Duh...yeah, I have now. Can better appreciate your fine images. Thanks, Jostein. Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESOs - Fulmars To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 6:27 AM

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards That's a strong trend to totalitarism under a thin democratic mask, and I hate it. That's happening here in Italy, unsure if this applies elsewhere too. In

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/7/13 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To frame the question is often to control the answer. Regards, Bob S. And what is that supposed to answer, then? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
The body snatchers took Bob William Robb - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards Here in the UK we are always provided with full, impartial evidence by whichever government is in power. They want to make the

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: AlunFoto Subject: Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards 2008/7/13 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To frame the question is often to control the answer. Regards, Bob S. And what is that supposed to answer, then? Do

Re: PESO: prayer

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
Subash, I'm ambivalent about this pic. Compositionally, it's an intriguing angle on a very lifelike statue; but was the utility pole included intentionally or was it unavoidable? It both adds some interest and distracts. Technically, a bit more light on the statue would be helpful, such as

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Hey you, whoever you are. Stop hijacking Bob_W's email account. Jostein 2008/7/13 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm very much with you here. Unfortunately, it looks like people are paying less and less attention to what the power does for manipulating the public opinion and getting wider

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/7/13 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And what is that supposed to answer, then? Do you still beat your wife? LOL that's it! Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

PESO: Wedding Picture

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
She whom I love and obey and I went to a wedding of one of her co-workers yesterday. While I wasn't the official photographer, after almost 4 decades of shooting the darned things, I don't feel right going to one without a camera. Good thing too, as the hireling was shooting with a Nikon

DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Toine
After a small price drop I couldn't resist the new 55-300 any longer. A very nice lens. Lots of plastic fantastic but it feels well build. The lens doesn't creep like the 80-320. The 16-45 feels cheaper. Image quality is very good. Corner sharpness could improve a little. The MTF program line

PESO: A Good Book

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
Outside the Staatsbibliotheque (public library) in Berlin. She didn't look up even when she crossed an intersection. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7535195 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 100, f/5.6 @ 1/125, RAW, some cropping and play with curves (!) in LR. Rick -- PDML

Re: PESO: Wedding Picture

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Stop action slap? Wiping away a tear? Absolutely, present it to them. Will be well received a much cherished, I assure you. Beautiful timing and rendering, William. Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Wedding

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Exceptionally well presented. Very nice performing lens. Looks like you made a good move, Toine! Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DA 55-300 LBA To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 10:37 AM After a small price drop I

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Toine
Thanks, my plan is to use it a lot. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exceptionally well presented. Very nice performing lens. Looks like you made a good move, Toine! Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A Good Book

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rick Womer Subject: PESO: A Good Book Outside the Staatsbibliotheque (public library) in Berlin. She didn't look up even when she crossed an intersection. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7535195 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 100, f/5.6 @ 1/125, RAW,

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Toine Subject: DA 55-300 LBA After a small price drop I couldn't resist the new 55-300 any longer. A very nice lens. Lots of plastic fantastic but it feels well build. The lens doesn't creep like the 80-320. The 16-45 feels cheaper. Image quality is very

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I thought purple fringing was a sensor, not lens issue. ??? JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA 55-300 LBA -

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Toine
If you want to pixelpeep the original files click on the images in this link: http://www.repiuk.nl/peso/peso.htm On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Toine Subject: DA 55-300 LBA After a small price drop I couldn't

Re: A Good Book

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Bill. I played with the cropping a while, and decided I slightly preferred the bit of foliage at the top. Both work for me. Rick --- On Sun, 7/13/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Good Book To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Toine, I'd love to see a comparison between the 80~320 and the 55-300. Especially at 300mm. Have you considered such? I have the 80~320, also, and find there are occasions when it produces surprisingly good images. Those occasions are when on a tripod and in good light. Jack --- On Sun,

PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Igor Roshchin
Disclaimer: the images linked here are graphic and may induce feeling of horror in some sensitive individuals. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4088.jpg http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4030.jpg Other episodes of the love story:

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Man, I love this list! Where else could one see a post by someone named Igor saying, the images linked here are graphic and may induce feeling of horror in some sensitive individuals.? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

RE: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Bob W
It would be a lot easier for your audience if you put these in some sort of gallery. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin Sent: 13 July 2008 19:44 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sun Jul 13 14:54:25 EDT 2008 Mark Roberts wrote: Man, I love this list! Where else could one see a post by someone named Igor saying, the images linked here are graphic and may induce feeling of horror in some sensitive individuals.? HAR! You will probably like this new twist when it

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:03:41 +0200 schreef Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: opinion and getting wider consensus. That's a strong trend to totalitarism under a thin democratic mask, and I hate it. That's happening here in Italy, unsure if this applies elsewhere too. I would say the

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread jens
I thought purple fringing - understood as Chromatic Aberration is a lens issue - caused by the fact, that different coloured light act differently when passing through glas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration Regards Jens I thought purple fringing was a sensor, not lens issue.

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread jens
Please see this as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_fringing Regards Jens I thought purple fringing was a sensor, not lens issue. ??? JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent:

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I can't tell you what it's supposed to answer, but I can tell you the answer is 42. AlunFoto wrote: 2008/7/13 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To frame the question is often to control the answer. Regards, Bob S. And what is that supposed to answer, then? Jostein -- You

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
purple fringing is a different phenomena than CA JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: DA 55-300 LBA I thought

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
per wikinpedia, Other explanations: Purple fringing is usually attributed to chromatic aberration, although it is not clear that all purple fringing can be explained this way. Other attributed causes of purple fringing in digital photography include many hypothesised sensor effects: Chromatic

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Two words carbon tetrachloride... Igor Roshchin wrote: Disclaimer: the images linked here are graphic and may induce feeling of horror in some sensitive individuals. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4088.jpg http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4030.jpg Other

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Toine
I sold my 80-320 to finance this lba. My only problem with the 80-320 was lens creep while walking. Corner sharpness is a little better on the 80-320 which isn't a surprise for a FA lens. Contrast and image quality at 300 is better with the 55-300. At the wide end the 80-320 has very good image

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
In general I have found that most telezooms are softer at the long end than the short end and most primes at the same focal length as the long end of zoom will easily beat the zoom at the long end. For this reason, I try to avoid telezooms ( and wide zooms, and extended range zooms for that matter

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Adam Maas
Actually, Superwide zooms these days often exceed the performance of primes, look at Nikon's recent 14-24mm f2.8, which matches or exceeds any prime in its range except the Zeiss C/Y mount 21mm Distagon, their older 17-35mm f2.8 AF-S is nearly as good, outmatching pretty much any lens in its range

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
ROTFLMAO NO prime of same cost is ever going to underperform a zoom of same cost, they do less, but do what they do better, I say this is hogwash unless you are picking out very cheapo primes vs very expensive zooms. To be fair, you need to compare lenses of same general cost/quality. DUH. The

Re: PESO: A Good Book

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
A nice shot. I like the light. Paul -- Original message -- From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Outside the Staatsbibliotheque (public library) in Berlin. She didn't look up even when she crossed an intersection.

Re: PESO: Wedding Picture

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
Very nice. You might burn in the groom's face a bit. He looks somewhat pale. Not surprising really:-). But an excellent shot. I'm sure they'll appreciate it. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] She whom I love and obey and I went to a

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Second thoughts on this, I find it so funny because you seem to have a very basic fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between prime and zooms optical designs. THERE IS NO WAY that a zoom can be better than a prime for a give amount of money no matter what focal lenght range. What I

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
Nice results. Looks like another good one from Pentax. Paul -- Original message -- From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] After a small price drop I couldn't resist the new 55-300 any longer. A very nice lens. Lots of plastic fantastic but it feels well build. The lens

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Adam Maas
What you're ignoring in your assumptions is that almost all the development that's gone into lenses in the last couple of decades has been into zooms. Particularly in the last 5 years there's been a massive improvement in the performance of ultra-wide zooms, which has not been matched with primes.

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 12:14:40PM +0200, AlunFoto wrote: Yep, that's mankind although it's not photography. Photography is special, though, having been toted as representing the objective truth independent of the rulers. The fourth power of state, and the whole genere of documentary

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Igor Roshchin
That's too harsh! This spider is almost a pet. :-) (and a science project) (Mark will have a convulsion hearing this from Igor) He (she? it?) leaves in the corner of the kitchen window and helps taking care of the fruit flies that tend to appear during the season of extremely ripe and

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
Purple fringing and chromatic aberration seem to be separate issues to some degree. And purple fringing is common to digital sensors. But some lenses obviously exacerbate the problem, while others minimize it. Most extreme high contrast situations, like tree banches against a white sky, can

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
True. -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] purple fringing is a different phenomena than CA JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Adam Maas
And once again, you assume that a 20+ year old prime design can match a brand new zoom design, especially one that's well optimized. While you could no doubt produce a modern prime design to match these new zooms, nobody actually is doing so except Ziess, and Zeiss doesn't have any currently

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I am not ignoring ANYTHING, zooms can never outperform primes all else being equal because zooms have to have a whole bunch of optical and mechanical compromises that primes DONT NEED. So for a given focal length, speed, company, format, cost, etc , the PRIME will exceed the zoom on optical

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
All else is not equal. Paul -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not ignoring ANYTHING, zooms can never outperform primes all else being equal because zooms have to have a whole bunch of optical and mechanical compromises that

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/7/13 John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, in fact, court proceedings automatically consider photographs not to be credible - they are merely an aide-memoire. Looks like I could need one too... :-) I believe that's the way it works over here also. I wish this would sink in with other

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks for looking, Jack! Glad you liked them. Jostein 2008/7/13 Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Duh...yeah, I have now. Can better appreciate your fine images. Thanks, Jostein. Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESOs

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks Bob. 2008/7/13 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very good essay - thanks. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AlunFoto Sent: 13 July 2008 13:59 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESOs - Fulmars In the flurry of PESOs from our

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
YOU dont get it, prime will always beat zooms all else being equal . PERIOD. The point you dont seem to understand is that there is nothing being done with zooms that cant be done with primes too. A zoom is always a comprimise compared to a non zoom, that is so BASIC. JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PESOs - Fulmars

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks Bob! It'd be a pleasure to guide you, should you ever come this way. Unless Øsleby intercepts you in the fjords, I guess... :-) Jostein 2008/7/13 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jostien, Those are marvelous photos - like a National Geographic TV special. Great detail in all of these.

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
So are you trying to make the bad argument that an expensive zoom can beat a cheapo prime so zooms are better than primes? Thats the other guys argument. Joining him?? JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL

PESO 2008 - 115, 116 - GDG

2008-07-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
From this morning's walk ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/115-under-construction.jpg Under Construction - Sunnyvale 2008 Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8 lens ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/100 sec http://homepage.mac.com/godders/116-imperative.jpg Graffiti Imperative - This Cafe Life 2008 Panasonic

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Sorry, I don't mean to be obtuse. If you let the opposition frame the question you are debating, you are often letting them control the answer or conclusion you will reach. For example: If the Iraqi war is about freeing the Iraqi people from terrible conditions, How can you be against their

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
No, as Adam said, all the development work has been targeted at zooms. So all is not equal. In terms of what's available, zooms are at least the equal of primes. In terms of what's possible, I'm sure primes can excel. But we were talking about what's available. Paul -- Original

RE: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Bob W
We currently have a rather awkward debate over the credibility of nature photography over here. It has been going on for over a year, perpetuated by a small handful of conservative photographers. The latest flames flared up after an exhibition in Stavanger by Steve Bloom:

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I do not agree that all the development in optical design has been targeted at zooms and thus by your inference prime designs are somehow lagging. Thats absurd, everything they learn in developing zooms gets 100% applied to primes because primes are a simple subset of zooms. THEY DO LESS, not more

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, as Adam said, all the development work has been targeted at zooms. So all is not equal. In terms of what's available, zooms are at least the equal of primes. This may apply to all photography of the usual sunday and garden variety. Take any of those zooms into a

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: And once again, you assume that a 20+ year old prime design can match a brand new zoom design, especially one that's well optimized. While you could no doubt produce a modern prime design to match these new zooms, nobody actually is doing so except Ziess, and Zeiss doesn't

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, as Adam said, all the development work has been targeted at zooms. So all is not equal. In terms of what's available, zooms are at least the equal of primes. This may apply to all photography of the usual sunday and garden variety.

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Adam Maas wrote: The Prime's more complex, not less We are not discussing Any given prime vs Any given zoom. We are discussing PRIMES vs ZOOMS. Any argument that zooms are less complex than primes zooms is very incredble and pretty dumb if you ask me. Zooms have to have more optical and

RE: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
so now hes arguing that zooms are better than primes because an old particular prime isnt as good as new particular zoom, well that certainly proves his point, NOT! JC OCONNELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark

Re: PESO 2008 - 115, 116 - GDG

2008-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: From this morning's walk ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/115-under-construction.jpg Under Construction - Sunnyvale 2008 Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8 lens ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/100 sec Godders you know I loathe this genre but

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/08, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed: Disclaimer: the images linked here are graphic and may induce feeling of horror in some sensitive individuals. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4088.jpg http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Spider/IMGP4030.jpg Other episodes of

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/7/14 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. They said (and still say) the same thing about Capa's shot militiaman. All I can say is that the people who think they are fakes cannot be real photographers. Real photographers see these great things all the time,

Re: PESO: fatal attraction (The Insect Play)

2008-07-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/7/08, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed: You will probably like this new twist when it comes out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrSX8NYN2x4 Laughed out loud at the iGor slapping bit. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread AlunFoto
Ah! So... -Not sure whether you were referring to my contribution in this discussion, or to how propaganda machines go about their business... - I certainly didn't intend to control anything, though... It's just this debate we're having nationally that's been on my mind for a couple of months. It

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... or prepared enough. As Cotty says; if you see the moment, it's gone. How true. I came to realize that when I was shooting drag racing for magazines. I was pleased when I didn't see the shot I

Re: PESO 2008 - 115, 116 - GDG

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: On 13/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: From this morning's walk ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/115-under-construction.jpg Under Construction - Sunnyvale 2008 Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8 lens ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/100 sec Godders you know I

Re: DA 55-300 LBA

2008-07-13 Thread Jack Davis
Good information. Thanks, Toine. Jack --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DA 55-300 LBA To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 1:25 PM I sold my 80-320 to finance this lba. My only problem with

Re: PESO 2008 - 115, 116 - GDG

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
I like both of these. On the first (Under Construction) I feel an itch to see a tiny bit of the foreground in front of the cinder blocks. The second I have no quibbles with at all, only a question: what does this have to do with cafe life? Most of the shots in that series seem to have been

Re: PESO: Wedding Picture

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
Hmmm... One would have to know the couple to be able to distinguish between (1) another effort to repair the manifold flaws in her imminent hubby, and (2) a loving gesture. Nice shot, nicely timed, well-rendered in any case. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 7/13/08, William

Re: PESO: A Good Book

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Paul! The light was so dappled that it needed a bit of work in Lightroom. Rick --- On Sun, 7/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: A Good Book To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, July

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards Sorry, I don't mean to be obtuse. If you let the opposition frame the question you are debating, you are often letting them control the answer or conclusion you

PESO (not from Germany): Lucky Penny

2008-07-13 Thread Rick Womer
On my way home from work Friday evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7556373 K10D, FA 28/2.8, ISO 560, f/2.8 @ 1/250, RAW via LR. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: announce: July exhibit at Pacific Art League (L2)

2008-07-13 Thread caguila
Godfrey: Congrats on the show!!! Hope you have a great turnout! Cheers, Christine -Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 10, 2008 9:58 PM To: SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED], PAW Picture-A-Week project [EMAIL PROTECTED], DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED], PDML

Re: July PUG is up

2008-07-13 Thread caguila
Scott: Terrific job on the PUG! And congrats to everyone's pictures. They look fantastic! Cheers, Christine -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 10, 2008 10:03 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: July PUG is up It's been a

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Ken Waller
Media using Photoshop to alter images... would never happen here. What makes you think it was done by the media? The little I've read about it never mentioned that. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards

2008-07-13 Thread Ken Waller
I've not seen a mention of who caught the fakery. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hilarious Photoshop hijinks from those nutty Revolutionary Guards Pretty bad when it's obvious at this small a size...

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